Podcast: The Ride - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

Episode Date: February 21, 2025

We float a hollowed out log down to the bayou and check out the beignets, animal bands and gator seats on Disney's new(ish) attraction: Tiana's Bayou Adventure! "Mickey Mouse Disco" episode is up at: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Forever. Dog. Warning, the following podcast may contain moments of father serenity, poncho gifting, frog love, cold place history of coolness, and we finally take a ride on Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Hey, we got to get to the party. It's Podcast The Ride, where we will do an episode about this ride, even though we started so many Change.org petitions to stop it. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined by Mike Carlson. Hi, yes, mask off. We've been fighting so hard to change this ride back. We just finally feel comfortable to tell you.

I just, is it like, do you try to get more signatures into one? Or do you try to get 50 separate petitions all with a good amount of signatures, which is what we ended up electing to do? Yeah. I mean, we were all, we were using every email address to start as many different Change.org accounts as we could. And they still built this thing. Yeah, it's weird. I mean, I drew a lot of pictures of me smiling going on the original ride, and I sent them to everyone's homes, the Imagineers' homes, the executives' homes.

And that didn't work either. You want to take this away from me? You want to wipe this smile from young me's memory face? This is what it is. Now it is frown. Now you have turned smile into frown, which is upside down. I wrote, it is. Now it is frown. Now you have turned smile into frown, which is upside down.

I wrote, now you have turned smile into frown on every photo. In blood. Yeah. Hey, returning triumphantly

to the main feed, it's Jason Sheridan. I am back. Hey, welcome back, my friend. Good to have you here. Thank you.

Welcome back. Although people may have heard you on Club 3 where we talked about the sweat box in the recent uh past fun episode check it out at patreon.com slash podcast the ride but uh glad to have you back buddy and look at that hat you got that you got that hot stuff he's got a hot stuff yeah scott got me up at city walk up at the uh construction site that is modern CityWalk.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, right. Something's going to have to happen with that soon. I mean, we're going to have to put it, because otherwise that's going to leak into every other episode. I know, because that's all we want to talk about, really. At the time, again, it's all changing so quickly. At the time that I went up there, it was much less the case

to where recently other people have gone and said, anybody been lately? And we're like, yeah. And they said, it's grim up here. It's not good up here. People don't like it up there. Every week it's worse and worse, but it must be all in service of getting it better and better. You would think.

But look, Slice House Pizza is going where the Sparkies went. Oh, by Tony Giammanini? Is that his name gemini no i'm not all i know is that right i call him tony g from where i'm from and this is something last night when i was discussing with my family and my sister said oh yeah tony g you mean tony g from slice house and i go yep of course tony g so you're on a novav short end with Tony G? Yes. But is this also, with apologies, Jason, and happy you're back, but is this a Jason-esque Beppo Peppo ploy where you're faking familiarity

so that you don't have to attempt to pronounce the name? Oh, I actually don't know the name. I'm not pretending to not know. You'll just admit that you don't know the name. I don't know the name, yes. I'm going to take Jason's word for it. You took the biggest stab of it that any of us have. I'm not tracking the Slice House enough to know.

I can just picture the logo and promotional photo in my head like I saw it yesterday. But I... Gemignani or Gemignani, which I don't think is right. So Gemignani seems right. I think Doughboys have covered slice house i believe with maybe susser or somebody yeah they cover and apologies i didn't hear the episode is did they cover it because it took over the space that was uh not shake what the hell is the one steak and shake steak and shake yes which was also that would make sense that is taken by

big laurie right and now it's Slice House by Jim Ignani. Right. Which is going, which despite having a location in the Burbank area, is now getting a separate City Walk. Exactly, yeah. Okay. And this is, you spoke highly of this place. This seems to resemble a restaurant that people like, which is a rarity for the City Walk area.

Right. Are you against it then for that reason? Noelle, it's a good question. If it was up at City Food and they declared they would make it 25% worse, it would make me more comfortable. I mean, they're not going to declare it, but it will be 25% worse. Well, let's see. But Sparky's is prime real estate, so we'll see.

For lines, that's, I feel like, so cramped down there. Well, that's a good point. I don't know what the setup will be because there's a lot of room in that store. So you could potentially have part of a line snaking around there unless they- I think we're in line territory. I feel like I've never seen a line. Because you can buy slices. So if there is a high traffic point or a time of day, then perhaps there would be a line for slices.

But I don't know. We'll see. We don't know yet. There's a lot we don't know. But you go all the way up there aren't don't you want to get some of the delicious sliced pizza available in the park i don't i can't even as i say that i can't even conjure i mean i know it's there yeah i know there's some bad italian place kind of in the streets of the world area. Right. There's probably, anyone, nobody's ever had slices of pizza at Universal Studios.

Do they have a chain in there even? Is there like a- Well, there's a Simpsons pizza. Is there? I think. In Luigi? Yeah, I think so. I've never had it,

but there's Simpsons pizza. Do they have like a little mini pizza hut or something in there anywhere? No, what you're thinking of, it used to be Pizza Hut down on the lower lot. Yes, that is what I'm thinking of. Yeah, Pizza Hut and Panda Express combo, and then- Are they in Jurassic Cafe?

Well, and that's cool, too, because Pizza Hut and Panda Express, express 25 worse at city walk then you move it all the way down to lower lot where it gathers another 25 35 how many more percentages there is a math equation to do how bad a chain will get depending on its location at universal studios i don't know the numbers we'd have to talk to somebody that's a real expert in it but how you how you calibrate that this seems like touring plans is len testa who's like a computer scientist would have an equation to work out exactly okay so you take mcdonald's say mcdonald's you move mcdonald's to the lower lot it's going to get 17 worse which means the burger will be 31 colder but then the cheese will be the same which will still give a good taste

but the goo will be 12 less salty which makes its taste like he'll know all of that he could probably figure out at a x-ray machine just staring at the rumble of a tummy just watching somebody who is who has eaten theme park panda express how it passes through them how it liquefies how it turns into just like black bile in their stomach and then writing down very good okay i see it's into just like black bile in their stomach. And then writing down, very good. Okay, I see. It's like Jason and I in like the Star Wars back to tank looking thing where we're in like liquid. And Len is just looking at our bodies as we digest the McDonald's food at the Universal Studios or the Pizza Hut.

And then he's looking at the levels and how much we're enjoying it. And then he takes all the equipment off like all right you're free to go you guys look at each other uh well want to go back to pizza yeah sounds good all right sounds good see i with fast food in a theme park though i i thought you were going to go with the more upsetting visual image of the precogs in the goo in minority report oh that works some of that food has definitely caused me to fucking freak out. Well, that's me. I'm a

precog. I shake around. You're the one that they get out. Jason and Mike will have upset tummies. And then I pass back out again and you guys again look at each other and say, pizza? That reminds me, pizza. Step over your body to get a chalupa.

Do you sometimes, when you're navigating different apps and checking and stuff, do you imagine that you're doing it like Tom Cruise in Minority Report? Oh, with the ball? In the air, yeah. The carving ball?

I mean like up at the future screen where you're sliding everything around. Like you see through the matrix and you move 20 things around in two seconds. I think it certainly looks that cool. I think it definitely makes me look cool like it does Tom Cruise in Minority Report. Scott, you're Colin Farrell at the wooden ball going like, how is my tummy going to hurt today? It's like, okay, constipated but painful. Probably one of the worst options you

can get constipated but painful that is that's a horrifying phrase you can't do it you're trying you think being stuck would stop the pain you would think yeah um well this is first so yeah we we do have to figure out how to address city walk and stuff uh uh which is always more of a priority for us than new theme park attractions right miraculously is something that we are talking about today and i know you're trying to move on but i will have to say i do have an insomnia Cookies story from college. Oh, Insomnia Cookies is moving into CityWalk, too. Insomnia Cookies is moving it up.

Oh, I see. I sent you a picture. Sorry to cut you off, Scott, but it was necessary. I know. I was almost to the end of... I had said T-Yon, and then I was stopped to talk about cookies. I sent Jason a picture. I ate an Insomnia Cookie in San Diego like a month and a half ago or a month ago.

I haven't even... I'm not up on things enough to know that Insomnia Cookies is something that's coming. Yes, that is coming. And it's coming in where Mini Monster was. Okay. Right. And Mini Monster is no more. Mini Monster is gone.

Geez, boy. It's all changing so quickly. Do you want to tell your Insomnia story? No, no. That's to say. That's to say. That's to say. Or tease.

That's to say to tease. Get everybody. Everyone's mouths are watering now thinking about your cookie story. My rival, like, frost every time I look at it. Oh, it's a negative story? Well, it's bad because I did it to myself. It seems like a fine establishment. Oh.

This is, again, we're right back in City Walk Saga territory where you're blaming yourselves instead of the establishments. It is time for you to stop blaming the mirror and look at the world and see what the world is doing to your body. It's the Radiohead song, Just. Do it to yourself, you do. No one else. I did it to myself, I did. And not to Simon Chocolate Emporium.

I'll be back real soon. All right, let me finish the title. Us Bayou Adventure. That is the attraction that we are talking about. In my head, a new attraction. As I stare at my notes that tell me that it has been running since June in the Magic Kingdom. Yeah, it is an old attraction at this point. at my notes that tell me that it has been running since june it has been the magic kingdom yeah it is an old attraction at this point it is only november uh 2024 in uh disneyland as as has been

discussed a cursed time and a difficult time to get there we still all haven't been but close enough close enough to actually talk about a fairly recent ride and maybe not a full you know it's look it's not a fully new attraction as you know it is a bit of a reskin a bit of a re-theme um but you know a lot going on there um and uh yeah here we are these specifically you've been mike i have yes i've been jason you've not, Mike. I have, yes. I've been. Jason, you've not. I have not been. Sure. Well, I hope you don't mind us. I hope you don't mind listening.

Our chip in, based on, have you watched Ride Thru's? Do you know? Oh, I've watched a lot of Ride Thru's. Do you know the names of some of the furry friends? I did at one. I don't know. I always forget them. But I like the furry friends.

I do too. But what would be the way that you would even retain the names of the furry friends besides looking them up? You'd have to look them up. Yeah. Because is there ever like, is there spot these friends in the queue? Is there any? Because like the names aren't really.

Oh, I see what you're saying. They don't have name placards once you're in the thing, right? No. No. And there's, yeah is because there's like original ride characters um but they don't seem to yeah explain their names very well maybe i don't know maybe there's give i have actually not now that i think about it i don't know if there's gift shops that have the characters maybe there's some of that going on there is a little like they

did raise berets and there is a little theme in there but yes i don't know that the characters are so um uh publicized what it was explained they're kind of it's like it was leaked in a post not leaked but like it's like given to us the nerds yeah like here and just so you know this is the name of the possum yes bow bow bow the opossum you know see this is good i would have to i'm gonna have to stare at notes. Bo is kind of a sleeper. He doesn't move a lot. And I think he's in a couple spots.

Well, a lot of these characters have moments of not moving a lot. Well, yes, if you're talking about limited motion, yes. And also if they're broken half a day. Yes. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Which does seem to be the situation. Which is often happening.

Yes. I think we, I'm not sure in what order to attack this exactly. We could talk about a little bit of the history. I will really quickly say that after some of the travails, which I've told the audience about, I was finally able to make it down there and go on this ride, which was a nice thing. Magic Key finally got it up and running.

And I didn't realize until i was about to do it that my trip to do this ride was my first time in disneyland park in two years wow is it that long i don't know i did yes i had done one california adventure because that has become aaron high's priority even though we did that uh with our our oldest, you know, we'd been there, and I've done, oh, my God, a couple of paradise just me and my son, Trader Sam's, drinking a hazy IPA, just me and my boy at 12 o'clock. Oh, those ones are so much easier to drink. You must be loving those.

Yeah, well, it's like medicine has to be fruit flavored for him to understand like you know you get maybe a little bit of a citrus so it it helps it go down yeah a little fruit in there yeah and you throw it in a sippy cup and he's not he's none the wiser uh just falls asleep in the car that's all um anyway it would i all this to say uh uh here's a recommendation go to to Disneyland Park. It was nice. I forgot. I forgot that I liked Disneyland.

It was a nice thing to do. I will say that I went solo because I have a new baby at home, and I was a lot of guilt on my part because there's been a lot going on. And Aaron was like man in the hatches, both kids. Uh, so I felt kind of ridiculous saying I'm going to Disneyland for work, but this was also, you know, part of your genius plan and starting this podcast,

right. Thinking many steps ahead and that we would have to go to theme parks for work. So I thank you for that plan. Now it really paid off. That said two kids, very difficult. I felt really bad about it.

I still made it back for bedtime because like, that's a that's a process with two that's what i've learned uh and i and i want to tuck them in and everything but mainly you know though it was very nice to do when i was like you know i'm i'm still gonna i'm here i'm gonna do all the stuff right but the calculation i did was like i haven't been to disneyland as opposed to DCA in a while. I'm going to do Disneyland specifically and focus on that, partially because I haven't in a while and partially because I was like, if I go down here and mostly hang out in DCA, I will feel like I am cheating on Aaron. I think it will feel like I am out with another woman.

Yeah, because that's a lot of the fondness. You know, you kind of put fondnesses on these places these places you know based on memories and who you did it with and california adventure is absolutely like oh wow 20s 30s dating falling deeper in love i was just like i can't cut loose and just be here while she's sweating it out with the kids so i did make that choice like i will spend the vast majority of the day. I can't. If I'm sitting and drinking a Carthay Manhattan solo, worse than making out with another lady, I think. So I didn't do that. Aaron, I have something to tell you.

Yeah. Really bad. Oh, my God. What is it? I don't want to have mince words. It's really bad. I had an $18 cocktail. Without you in the longitude and latitude of the place we go.

I didn't talk to anybody. I just ordered it. I didn't talk to the bartender. I found it miserable. I tried to spit up in my mouth so that it was mixed with saliva, and I didn't enjoy the taste while it was going down. Because I love you. I do, even though I've done what I've done. You do have to, I don't enjoy the taste while it was going down. Because I love you. I do even though I've done what I've done. You do have to, I don't know,

there's I'm sure like the 100 hacky stand-up bits about this. Sometimes if you do do a solo trip because you have to go for work, I do kind of downplay how much, I was fine, you know. I just kind of was in and out. That's the smart. You know? Yeah.

I'm not lying, but I'm not being like, it was great, I was alone alone I was drinking a beer now Watching the Mark Twain go around You dump The way all moments Have some Simpsons analog Lisa comes back from Itchy and Stretch Which Bart can't see

How was it? It was alright It was the greatest movie I've ever seen And that's definitely true Well I know you want to try all those sauces at the uh country bear barbecue yes well actually that would have been that's something where i could have pointed to and said aaron it was not so great i had to sit and track a bunch of sauce oh yeah that would have actually that would have felt the birds now but you're right

but that is that is probably a way to play it. And Aaron, if you're listening, there is something that I played down. I don't think I really talked about this when I came home because it's a long day. You don't want to rub it in. But here, I will say this. Round three, I do migrate over to California Adventure. Just backstory, I've been in a state I would call eye-bleedingly busy since the birth of my son in September. I've been at a pitch.

It's been fucking nuts. Which I went and got and then brought over to the Sonoma Terrace area so that I could listen to the wonderful soundtrack of what I refer to as crap jazz. Early 2000s acoustic guitar jazz that even I can't defend, but that I love with every fiber of my being because it relaxes me so much. The beer plus the sundae, after the way it's's been lately this was a borderline psychedelic experience i was texting people that i honestly feel like i'm tripping right now i feel like i am floating off the ground wow it was so crazy and great i wish i'm sorry aaron we'll get to we will do it as soon as we can i wish i didn't know what you were talking about but i happen i do know what you're talking about you've been there yeah yeah well what is it for you guys do you have an equivalent yeah yeah i was texting you guys because i didn't realize you you were talking about, but I do know what you're talking about. You've been there? Yeah, yeah. Well, what is it for you? Do you have an equivalent?

Yeah, yeah. I was texting you guys because I didn't realize you could just have a beer at one of the, not the quick service restaurants, but one of the sit-down restaurants around the rivers of America, Disneyland. Not the new, not Tiana's Palace? Is it Palace or Place? I forget every time what restaurant I was eating at. I feel like it might be Palace.

I don't know. We should know that too, but so I was just sitting there. feel like it might be Palace. I don't know. We should know that, too. So I was just sitting there. I think it's Palace. Oh, it is Palace. I mean, that makes sense. Confusing because Place sounds more like a restaurant, but it's Palace. They do refer to it as Princess Tiana.

Google, why is it Tiana's Palace and not Tiana's Place? It's because it's... Wait, what? In the restaurant, it is... No, wait, okay. Oh. it's wait what in the restaurant it is well no and i wait okay oh they you got to do that minus ai no i don't know if this is ai i look point is it's palace i'm sorry that what you were saying though it's not there it's another one of those new orleans square restaurants where you didn't know until you got there that alcohol is available yeah i forgot because like you can get one now

um on main street and it's all the forgot because you can get one now on Main Street and it's all the places that you can't just pick one up and go. It's the Main Street spot? It's Carnation, right? And Carnation's not the... Or am I? Carnation, like halfway down Main Street. Left or right if you're looking at the castle?

On the left side if you're looking at the castle. Yeah, Carnation Cafe. Which one is the chicken? Oh, that's the one to the right. It's an inn. It's not Jolly Holiday, which is a plaza inn, yes. There you go. That's the plaza.

And then, yeah, so I just didn't realize that. So I had been texting you guys, I remember. I'm like, I had this big, giant vegetable salad and some drink, and I'm sitting alone. And just the calm. Yeah. salad and some drink and i'm sitting alone and just the calm yeah that i expect i experienced that i experienced that because you know having a we're not i'm not nearly as busy as you are but just you know having a child day to day and do we're trying to do other stuff is still very there's a lot of stuff going so when you have sort of these times to yourself sometimes it can feel

like otherworldly like i've seen lc LCD sound system before But I saw them whenever in October And I just had like a drink I was alone in the back of the floor And I felt like I was floating Like the beat, the groove Was just like taking me over And I'm sure it was embarrassing to watch If you saw like, oh that dad is really feeling himself

But I know what you're talking about What's to say people weren't saying That very youthful man over there Is feeling himself to an appropriate youthful degree Thank you for saying it Because that's what I wanted to say But I was trying you're talking about. What's to say people weren't saying that very youthful man over there is feeling himself to an appropriate youthful degree? Thank you for saying it because that's what I wanted to say, but I was trying to be humble about it. But yeah, some people are like,

what's that young man doing at this show? This is sort of a band from 20 years ago. Is he even allowed to drink in here? Yeah, let me card him. Police, police, right this way. You do a lot of hushed, like if you go to a bouncer or something with a 20 or more, and it's like, there's admission.

You don't have to bribe me to get, no, no, no, it's not that. Will you just card me in front of a lot of people? Card me? Just say I'm a college junior? I actually did not have my driver's license on me and I went to a different show. I was at a different rock and roll show this week and for a second I was like really thinking

to myself, oh my God, they're going to card me when I get a drink and then there was no question on the bartender's face. I'm like, yeah, what are you thinking, man? You wish. How's the rock and roll show? Oh, it was great. It was a guy I've kept talking about, MJ Lenderman. MJ Lenderman.

Yeah. Oh, I listened to it, but you know what? On the Patreon, we both put up playlists, and I can't make heads or tails of your hillbilly nonsense, but you're half. If you don't know, on the second gate, we made playlists. I put up a yacht rock thing, and Mike put up something that's half hillbilly nonsense, half music by people under 35. We proved that you're with it. And that said music, I listened to a number of those there's a lot of good stuff oh

thank you yeah i have not listened to yours or i listened to something a while ago that you made i don't forget if it's the same list this is the look if you're if you've been confused anytime i've talked about yacht rock and you're like uh what so the piña colada song no no no no no no it's none of that shit yeah oh if Oh, the yacht that's out there. Oh, it's a heavenly world. Come with me. Take a journey with me. Let me ask, because people were speaking so favorably of it.

Molly Lambert, I think, was talking. I don't know. Did you like that Yacht Rock documentary that came out a few months ago? Oh, I did indeed. Yes, HBO Yacht. Yes, which Molly Lambert is in. The people who do that Yacht Rock podcast are in who coined the term Hollywood Steve and J.D. Risnar.

And it is an assessment of the Yacht Rock world and story that I sign off on. I agree with great music, great artists shout it out. And the spoiler alert at the end when it's a genius moment when they call donald fagan from steely dan and say do you want to be part of the yacht rock documentary and he

says go fuck yourself right or he leads him on like and what style of music is that what are we talking about oh yacht rock go fuck yourself hang up that's why i love him that's why i love him baby that's great uh uh anyways uh let's let's veer out of that. So I just had to share that lame dad tripping situation. Oh, yeah. But it was nice. Great excuse to go. Thank you, audience, for providing an excuse for us to go to these places. In terms of what we're dealing with here, fun fact, did you know this was not always

Tiana's Bayou Adventure? This was once an attraction called Splash Mountain, an attraction that opened in 1989. I was aware of it, but I'm not sure. You might be interested in Twitter topic, trending topic I got last night that said Splash Mountain told me as much. I saw it too. Why was that?

I mean, some of it that once I saw it was like just rides that were, if you could wave a magic wand, you'd bring it back. So I'd see like Horizons is one and Splash Mountain is one. Yes. I would bring back Horizons over Splash Mountain. No offense to the Splash people, I guess. Yes, because you essentially have Splash Mountain. Anyway, go ahead. I always bring back one that literally no fighter of it.

There's nothing there of it. And I would bring back Create Movie Ride or Horizons, one of the other ones. Really? Ooh. I think so. I think I would go Horizons. Someone had like four different things located,

but people were unironically doing like, let's petition, let's get it back. These are great questions. And that is a little incoherent. I don't know if that's going to happen. I know what's crazy is I still think, my heart tells me, unless, well, no. I mean, I'd love to get E.T. Adventure back in Hollywood,

but it's weirder to say that because it does, you can go to Florida and experience it. Mike Niedrich is still maelstrom, even though I don't have any hate in my heart for Frozen. I still just, I want to see that mural. I want to see those unpleasant, I want to see everybody who yells at you and tells you not to go to Norway after you've been told that Norway is pleasant and wonderful. Right.

No, stop. Get out of Norway. It's definitely Maelstrom. The oiled rigs in the North Sea the proud people of Norway oh and the movie I'm somebody who rushed through the movie

before I would sit I'd sit in the theater and watch that movie five times if I could the boring movie with the boring chopping of wood it was on my list for like hey let's do this at the beginning of the year and on my list for like hey let's do this at the beginning of the year and then it quickly became like hey need to wait on this one figured out maelstrom's a maelstrom but priority you know a uh you know i i have to i'm physically touching my heart

just like the spirit of the people of norway full of adventure danger sure but also pleasant for tourism you see um i love it fuck but uh splash mountain uh splash mountain disney's first log flume attraction a tony baxter creation uh imbued with tony baxter creativity and magic opened in disneyland park in 1989 uh open in Disney World and Tokyo Disney not too long after that. Initially, the beneficiary of the biggest promotional blitz in Disneyland history. We have gone through many different specials with musical numbers and skits and things that acknowledge it in earnest and like different styles and McDonald's tie ins. I mean, this might have been the most famous ride on Earth when it opened. Yeah, you couldn't avoid it.

Yeah. It, I would say, proved the marketing might of the Eisner machine at its peak, but also the poor impulses of that same machine to open a ride based on Song of the South in the 80s, you know, 40 years after the film was released and was controversial then. Yes, it wasn't a retroactive. Oh, you know that scene in that movie now that we're looking back upon it.

We have re-evaluated Song of the South. No, it was evaluated. It had been evaluated. A movie that was protested by the n-double-a-c-p in 1946 and yet as we've been through the strangest fact ever to me that they did they did a re-release in the 80s still that's like a bowl a trial balloon yeah yeah well we think do we get away with this uh uh now i remain no expert in this and with no desire to keep talking about it frankly just interesting uh context for sure i have never seen this film and i and i could be wrong and you know

be gentle with me uh for suggesting this but my theory has always been that it's less that anything in the ride was problematic and more that it causes anyone to have to go, what's this based on now? Well, that's what I said. That's an uncomfortable question that has been only mounting and mounting for Disney since 1989. There's a couple of things on Splash Mountain where they've changed. I guess whitewash is a word. Changed things around where that's a scene that would be problematic in the movie, but they've changed things about it.

Or they changed uncle Remus's character to the Br'er frog character, which was created for the ride. So there's like stuff in there where you're like, just like they've changed it to hide. And you're not saying change while the ride was open. You're saying in, in making it a ride, they lost this element,

that element. So this is a, you know, and, and, you know, God knows, I don't want to say this and then find that people were like were offended by aspects of splash mountain i think it's just it's the association well right this is what this is my big argument go home and you're like hey that's cool what movie is that and you google it and

you're like song of this like oh that's i don't know it sucks it's to me it feels like it sucks well and you know there's a problem because at some point, the literature became, hey, join us on a great log flume adventure, as opposed to when it opened, based on Disney's beloved classic, Song of the South. That's completely how it was positioned then. And you know something's up if they have to start going, hey, maybe X that part of the copy. Yeah.

And look, I know we've've watched i've watched plenty of tony baxter interviews where like it seemed like they put an effort forth to to not make it offensive like to try to take the bad stuff out of it yeah yeah but at the end of the day it's a 20 whatever this 2020 at the end of the day you're like do we really need a song of the south ride in our park i would say, we should get around to changing that. Also the more that theme parks become representations of the biggest IPs on earth. Of course,

theme parks have Star Wars and Harry Potter and Indiana Jones and Song of the South, of course, must get some real estate. It's very strange. Yes. And I'm sure I'm repeating myself, but it's like,

yeah, okay. Like there's plenty of stuff in the movies we're like oh this scene now in hindsight is bad or and then you know the peter pan depiction of native americans yeah like just change it on the ride but the what now disney is now changing the warning in front of these movies which is a whole nother weird thing that's going on uh in the recent uh related to the recent administration we are, but one of the characters in this film once thought about smoking a cigarette.

We want to get ahead of it and please go to disney.com slash let's talk about it to assuage everyone's fears. Right. Well, now Trump mandated that Disney just writes, we stand by everything we've ever done

and it's perfect before you watch something on Disney+. He's going to make Iger go in front of it, say, I'm Robert Iger and I approve everything in this. Right. Which he'll happily do, by the way. Seemingly, yeah. These CEOs are just licking their lips.

Yeah, nobody gives a shit. We condemn this man. How much money do you want? We hope that he gets locked up as soon as, oh, we won? Oh, we love you. How much money, Mr. Trump, do you want? We're staying he gets locked up as soon as, oh, we won? Oh, we love you. How much money, Mr. Trump, do you want? We're staying out of politics.

We're staying out of politics. Yeah, so. We were thinking about going woke, and then we thought, no, we're gonna go broke. Yeah. There was an Axios article about all this stuff, you know, and they mentioned, they took away those, you know when they mention they took away those you know helpful warnings of like

those contextual warnings that lasted maybe 20 seconds in front of a movie and it's like you are disparaging the we are siamese song take that out um my god right uh that that was what i i i gotta post these um if you look on youtube that is on some of the rockin disney compilations from the 2000s oh yeah well and everything all of this of course zippity-doo-dahs in the in the sing-along song these are the most it was all out there. But did you hear Hilary Duff sing We Are Siamese, if you please? Was it? I think it was her. Did she have a sister? No.

Is there a Duff version? I think there's a Duff version. That's her sister, is Haley. I know that. I know Haley Duff. Sue me. But there's another. What's the problem? I don't know. You tell me what the problem is. I know Hayley Duff. I look, sue me. But there's another. I know who she is. There's another one. Wait, what's the problem? I don't know. You tell me what the problem is.

I have no problem. I'm not on trial here. We acknowledge the American classic material girls. There were a few cover versions of it. It's very weird. There's an Axios article where they explain they were taking out those contextualized, which- Jesus, you're right, Jason.

What the fuck? Yeah, it's the Duffs, and then there's like another Disney-made rock band. Oh my God. Why would they do that? That's recent. What year are we talking? Why would that happen? Also, what shade to credit it to Hilary Duff

featuring Hayley Duff? Oh, what a spit. Now look, of course, who do I acknowledge more in terms of cultural impact? Why, of course, Hilary. I'm with Hillary. But let's not. They're both on the song.

I'm with Haley. And Mike is with Haley. Oh, God. Yeah, so there's another band that does it, like, fakey Disney band, I think. Anyway, what I was getting at, there's this Axios article, and the part I screen grabbed, Disney is changing its diversity, equity, and inclusion programs to focus more closely

on business outcomes. Notes sent to employees who stay and obtain by Axios. What outcome do they want? Up, better business, or lower business? I wonder what outcome they're looking for. I don't know. I'm confused too. I screen grabbed it because I thought it would be

a dunk on a weird company and then I'm like, wait, this is jibber. What are they saying? What are they talking about? All of this stuff it's nonsense. This is all we can do. Everything all of us are dealing with is just like

everything we can do to just like, and Trump, let's move that to the back of our brains as best as we can. Whatever whiplash. Yeah. Not to fall apart during the day. But I believe in the span of just a few weeks, Disney,

uh, uh, is doing all that. They sent out that weird survey to vacation club members going like, Hey, any of you fuckers dying soon, any of you getting an inheritance? Oh, yeah, because that's how people have to pay. Wait, what?

I didn't see this. Yeah, because that's how people have to afford their vacations, is they get an inheritance. You have to. You can only. Disney vacations now must be inherited. Yeah. Seemingly. It must be passed down.

Well, the Vacation Club is, because it's a timeshare. The idea is you pass it down. You keep it going. But then also, so all of this weird stuff, and then the Captain America movie, everyone says it's a mess. And then also, we're putting in the final verse for Small World.

Oh, yeah. We're putting in Richard Sherman's verse about understanding each other and living together. Oh, what a... Yes, no, several different philosophies going on at the company right there. I'm sure the verse is very nice. I'm sure whoever wanted to put the verse in

is nice and doing it for nice reasons. You just wish that the rest of the company would yeah match the feelings um that's well we'll have to go check out that verse the episode of the verse coming soon we will do the verse yeah the verse the walt robot the verse and the walt robot are the big 50 well dude of course walt robot is three hours. That's a big, that's a big deal for it. Yeah. Um, anyways,

uh, what, what ends up with, with all of this backstory and contentiousness, if you don't recall the history, what ends, how it ends up playing out is that there's long ambiently. I'm sure we talked about in the show,

just like, when is this going to get addressed? Then, uh, a lot is going on in June, 2020. It is post George Floyd protests are raging uh this if you can imagine a time when companies were doubling down on diversity and inclusion different

this was this 90 years ago what was this uh uh but in this climate it was very obvious that something had to happen there were internet discussions of well you know what you could do maybe based on rumor or there were rumors of you know i hear internally they're thinking about doing this they're like um you know like like pitches of here's how it could go and this would be a good property for it potentially and then all of a sudden one day disney is like uh yes that's we were actually going to do that that's actually why we we were thinking exactly what you're thinking and now we are we're doing now we are we started we were actually going to do that. That's actually why we were thinking exactly what you're thinking. And now we are. Yeah, we're doing it. Now we are going to do that. We're waiting for a chance to tell you.

But it's totally, look, and we date stamped it all. We wrote it down, Princess and the Frog Ride, mailed it to ourselves. And that was in 2018, actually. So we're way ahead of you. We're just going to tell you all right now when regardless of political strut you're all feeling the most insane yes we're waiting for the craziest time possibly in human history uh and we'll drop it then uh so yeah uh so a weird surprise but a good surprise i think we all felt like okay okay, pretty good.

But what this has also done is created this long, because what that is this is five years ago, Jesus Christ. So, you know, for them to announce something that early, and we know the speed at which they build things, it is not the speed at which Universal

builds things. So it's been on them to like, let's release droplets of information every nine months because it's they create an awkward situation for themselves like we're doing it oh they are and then for years you're going to disneyland it's still you're like uh so and the company's having financial problems during this time oh that's true so like there's a lot of speculation well i'm in the sense that like they're not like flush with quote-unquote cash like i mean like we run theme parks and theme parks are closed for a year yeah right okay i understand that let's not also forget the the shortage of building material every time someone go like well it's

taking a lot of awfully long time to open this new ride or this new moana walkthrough and stuff people go like there's a rebar shortage don't you know that and it's like i do not know that i am sorry it's the great american screw loss listen capital is telling us they don't have enough money and we need to be respectful of that okay we take them at their word i take capital at their word every day and i thank them for it um another funny thing that happened in all this was like they're like uh you know announcing like like the minds who will bring us this and that the original cast of princess the frog will be bad because that's somehow the first i've said princess and the frog in this story this is yeah based on uh the the princess and the frog was am i correct

the like revival of hand-drawn yes animation after a long after it was kind of like hey we're back a little bit yeah yeah and very charming for for those reasons uh so you know it's all right original voice cast is back and then and of course, Tony Baxter will be advising and making sure that we do that. And then it's funny how that one went away. That one's there. That one's there. They said that once. He's still under contract, so you've got to get a little bit of like,

well, he's involved. Don't worry. No, he's going to walk down the hall. Don't look at some interviews that have had 500 views where he's like seemingly salty about it well let's also say like if people have memory hold this uh at least it is a land for a lot of years splashdown was kind of in rough shape oh well not working maybe i i perhaps have my self-memory hold it. What do you? Again, I also don't know the ride as well because I was not going on the ride for some time until Mr. Baxter himself helped me figure out how to go on it. So what were issues with the ride?

It was just, I feel like it was down a lot. Stuff, animatronics were not working. Show elements were not working. Stuff would be dark and you're like, is that supposed to be dark or can I just not see it? It would give it a weird, it was always a trippy ride, but then some stuff would be broken and I'm like, is that on purpose to make me mess? I don't know.

So it's an incredibly hard ride to maintain. Yeah. And I'll say it seems like of all these rides to ever have to re-theme might be the hardest maybe the biggest most daunting task in the world because of just like i feel felt like it was harder to fix it with splash mountain and just so and it's so long as well well i think the thing yeah it's very long um i was trying to figure out like, oh, pirates, I feel like they don't have as much trouble. And I'm like, oh,

pirates isn't fighting the elements. Like, do you like- Well, yeah, I mean, all the, yeah, the animatronics have, there's a lot of space. There's not the intimacy, you wouldn't say. Yeah. Like it's kind of like,

there are sort of here's show scenes. It's sure it's all next to water, but it's all in kind of a big like soundstage isn't the word, but it's more of like, here's the facility as like, which I guess is, I mean, you go into a show building at some point during splash mountain,

but the, the part I was really thinking about and comparing the two is that like, just when you're kind of in the deepest part, when you're between like drops two and three, it's so claustrophobic. Like it's like, it's really tight spaces and i think like redoing all the you know another thing like there's no real like ceiling per se to something like pirates as opposed to splash mountain the ceiling is right there you're seeing everything around you they're in one of the great most charming aspects of the

whole thing is the the you know the tightness and everything being right there but like i imagine it makes it daunting that like you know there's there's nowhere to hide stuff oh yeah in the show scenes yes it's absolutely like i i mean i guess we could there's so much to talk about but like just even talking about the idea of rethemes obviously like to me guardians of galaxy is the the mission breakout is the gold standard for a complete re-theme where you take the whole like the property is different sure um but that's to me easier that seems a lot easier to do versus this which is just less ground to cover and i'm trying to think what are the other examples so fast which makes you think it did it fast it must have been easier right. There's not as much acreage to cover as well.

And that means money can go farther probably in addition to that. Yeah. And just in a basic dumb person sense, like water makes it hard. I bet. I bet it does. Right? Probably. It's got to be musty in there.

Robots do not need water, as far as I know. Robots and water don't mix. That's what I learned when I was a kid. Yeah. That's bad. Yeah. Unless there's certain, I guess, robot water. Robot water.

Water robots. Excuse me. I mean, there are mechanical specialists who are also, like, scuba certified. And obviously, pirates, there's a lot more waterway and deeper water yeah but like even in this you either have to drain all the water to work on stuff or someone has to like go down with a tank of oxygen and a blowtorch or soldering iron the uh and then also did they did they end up redoing logs or did they're refurbishing them or they refurbish them but they're pretty much the same logs, I'm pretty sure.

Because it's not like they went to the double seating. No. That would be so expensive, I think, to widen the track like it is in Florida. Oh, they're able to do that because it's wider? To do double seating? They built it that way? Yeah. Yes.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think that it wouldn't be able to fit that way. Sort of like to do double seating that way yeah yes okay yeah i think i mean i think that it wouldn't be able to fit that way because like longer of a ride too yes okay florida's long because like the word is and again we don't have any good this is one of those rides it's new and we only can hear like rumors so we don't have that like good behind the scenes of what's going on necessarily the rumor is is they designed it for disneyland so it fits in a nicer way because we haven't been on the disney world version yeah but people say oh the disney world version feels like emptier it feels i've been catching that that's what people have been saying and they feel like they designed

it for disneyland and then they just stretched out the show elements on disney world because it's like a longer track well they also had further to go right i got curious about because uh you know not to jump around too much but i think a big concern was like okay this is a ride that is teeming with animatronics and are they going to be able to recreate that vibe and i tried to not watch a ride through just to experience it and i'm like it's something i was worried about i was like is this going to be so screen oriented or mist oriented or whatever yeah that it doesn't because you need that feel you know it at least has to feel up to part of a knots one that's a lot of the thrill is like screen oriented or mist oriented or whatever that it doesn't, because you need that feel,

you know, it at least has to feel up to part of a knots one. That's a lot of the thrill is like, well, I'm moving so fast and every second there's so many animatronics. They landed at 48. There's 48. Yeah.

Disney, I was curious and I was like, what did it have before? Disney world. Actually, you know, this is the opposite of what I was saying. Disney world had 68 splash know this is the opposite of what I was saying Disney World had 68 Splash Mountain

right right Disneyland had 103 yeah cause those were the America Sings robots specifically they had all the real original ones yeah which is funny

they had to then in the 90s like recreate right 70s robots so actually forget what I was saying it's almost like

they had further to go in Disneyland well as far as yeah just repopulating or making it feel full like it but there was less space that's the yes because i would just just double check duration of splash in disneyland is nine minutes 18 seconds and magic kingdom is 11 minutes 45 seconds that's significant significant yeah that we've done you know we've done full two hour episodes about rides that are like a minute and a half so a minute and a half

in within two versions of a ride is huge yeah I think correct me if I'm wrong I think it's a little slower in Disney World 2 but I could be wrong I know it's for sure longer but I can't remember if that actually for some reason runs a little slower but it's a yeah that's a long that's a long two minutes probably

some rides are two minutes yeah geez yeah well and you know besides the stuff with the ride itself like you know there were a lot of steps to this that you know you understand why it took a long time because there's the interior there is the exterior there is the land itself

the land changed from critter country to bayou country part of this is that tiana's palace not place apparently and the internet doesn't know why either uh is that what it is in the movie is that what it is i guess i think it's right at the end when she does she finally open up i like this movie too i i like this movie. I did see some complaints of this. I appreciate it's a new story after the movie, but I saw people saying like,

a lot of the characters from the movie are not in this? Or like, they're just in it at the end waving, you know, or smiling and not really moving. Is it, by the way, sorry, really quick. Is it Tiana's, she has her dream art of Tiana's place in the movie, but does it end up being palace because she is a princess? That is probably the logic.

Maybe that's the logic. Who are we? Ron Clements, John Musker, and Randy Newman? The creative minds behind this movie. That was a hell of a way to get the name. Who are we? We are not them, no. We are sweatboxing.

We are sweatboxing this 2009 film. Two of the great, yeah, it's a Musker Clements, and it shows. They're two of the greatest who ever did it. And you get, look, you can't complain about more Randy Newman in the parks. This is a good thing. Sure.

We love Randy Newman. Randy Newman, when you add it up, especially with this, and between so much of the Pixar music being in the parks, in terms of like, and you don't have to do the count, but what composer has their fingerprints on theme parks the most? It's probably John Williams between both Disney and Universal, but then there's Sherman Brothers, obviously, but Randy Newman may be a third.

There's a lot. Yeah, maybe that is a solid third. Which is great, because it's Americana, and it's catchy, and there's heart to it, and what a great person to be the soundtrack of theme parks. And that always blows my mind, because he has such a different writing style for his solo work. Yes, yeah, yeah. It's not like the Sherman Brothers were writing these bizarre or angry or-

Incredibly moody. Or, yeah, like very political songs. Sherman Brothers were all happy days, unless they have like a bunch of secret stuff and like maybe there's a Sherman Brothers vault like the Prince vault, where they were really like giving it to the current administration.

Just 12 minute free flowing. Yeah. Yeah, nine minute trumpet solos yeah um and a lot of like moaning like really they got their girlfriends to come and get freaky on the trail wow uh here a similar connection uh to that Jennifer Lewis long tenured performer and singer voice of Mama Odie in this ride I forgot she is also the voice of

Flo in Cars so that means Jennifer Lewis characters technically have a ride and a diner in these two parks I did not realize that either Flo is good that movie have a ride and a diner in these two parks. Oh, jeez. I did not realize that either. Flow is good.

That movie's on all the time in my house. I like Flow. Then they do the last song on the ride also is written by, not by Randy Newman. Yes, the original song.

Like, it's the, it's instrumentals of a lot of the down in New Orleans and Dig a Little Deeper and stuff. Yes. And then,

Special Spice is the name. Special Spice, which takes the place, I'd say, of Zippity-Doo-Dah as the finale song. Because I'm assuming they were like, well, there's a lot of white people that made this movie about a black princess, so we should probably have a black person write the song. Well, now that we do have in common with Ron Clements, John Musker, and Randy Newman. Well, that's true. We are that. What guy's talking about it?

So I assume that's why that's true we are that what guy's talking about it um so so i assume that's why that's the that's the big uh show stopping finale and you know who that is what do you wrote the song pj morton pj morton do you know who pj morton is uh in terms of other musical output oh i didn't realize this i didn't realize rune five's keyboardist is that right apparently i didn't know that uh-huh wow okay yeah and was that that was that a I didn't know that Uh huh Wow okay Yeah Was that a spark Was that surprise Or excitement Over the

I am excited to learn that Spectacular I am excited to learn that I don't know I'll be honest I can't explain it to you Why I was so excited To learn that

I mean I was excited Enough to say it I just don't know Where you land on Maroon 5 I'm That's a How long do we have To talk about Maroon 5

Do you not It's gonna take a while to sort it out you know what i like i like that sugar the song sugar by maroon five i think i think that one's pretty good i will say i've i could enjoy moves like jagger if it was playing somewhere but it's not a song i like but i don't go very hard i do i i have the first maroon five album that came out where everyone was like, you know, there's that time when there's albums come out and you're not sure where a band will land.

And they were like maybe halfway between. They weren't like, like lame out of the gate. Exactly. And they were there. They, they, they were in this other,

it was previously something called Kara's flowers. Yes. Slightly reconfigured. And that was more of a power pop band, which is a genre I like a lot. Right. I remember finding them as like, Oh called Kara's Flowers. Yes. Slightly reconfigured, and that was more of a power pop band, which is a genre I like a lot. Right. So I remember finding them as like, oh, yeah, that's kind of in that zone that I'd.

Yeah. So kind of horrifying that they became like kids bop music. Yeah, it's weird because like Harder to Breathe came out, which I didn't like. And then the other songs I did like, and then they eventually completely switched genres and went like really chased like the whatever current pop music sound is to some degree of success with me personally but it's also like

coldplay were cool for two albums coldplay were cool they were pitchfork cool though they were like rush of blood to that whether you think they were yeah i like rush of blood they were well you could say you like it was this cool but i'm saying they were like 10 like 9.5 pitchfork rated which in that way i'm saying they were cool yeah and then all of a sudden or whatever over the next few albums it was like your mom likes cold play never mind oh yeah god i mean suddenly a band starts turning with puppets and people start saying their lane yeah, that's when it had this turn really happen. But it's interesting. What did Pitchfork give the weirdos?

Is it a different scale when it's puppets? Yeah, I don't know. It's a good question. Mike has a big city walk sometimes. He stays a while to see if the weirdos are going to show up on that big TV. I wish. That big screen. I was reading the reissue of Wilco's A Ghost is Born on a

Pitchfork review of it last week, and the reviewer was like, when I was in high school and I heard this album, I'm like, God, what is this shit? High school? You shouldn't be writing for Pitchfork. Wait, wait. Well, when is the album from? 2003? No, no, 2005. Yeah, yeah.

That's close to our age. It's pretty close. Why are you trying to talk this guy out of a job? I think he shouldn't have a job. Anyone of any age has any right to have any job they want to have. I'll read his name here, and I'll want him fired. Mike's starting older millennial, younger millennial wars. I'm switching my save-splash-mountain-change.org position to fire this young man from reviewing Volko music.

That's what I believe. Our children, when they were born, their years of birth will barely overlap with the output of Wilco. Are you to say they are not to be gainfully employed? They need to have been born in 1984 or later, or else they cannot understand. The only good ages.

That's right. Anyway, that's who did the song. I was heading to this other area which is uh because you know there's a little bit of like a change of the of the landscape uh and whether i don't know if you we we could address the the exterior here or also just like the park in general but like what do we think of the flow what do we think of what it did to the areas of disneyland park that were affected. Like, you know, Bayou Country, the flow and the poo, Hungry Bear. You know, now we got Tiana's Palace with New Orleans stuff.

How are we feeling about this neck of the woods? In some ways, I almost feel that the new exterior is almost more seamless in some ways. Now, I'm not saying I necessarily prefer the exterior, but in some ways it really blends well from New Orleans Square to whatever, I guess it's Bayou Country, which doesn't make sense because Pooh's over there, but whatever.

In some ways, I almost feel like- It's got critters. Why is it not? Just keep a critter. I don't think critters do this. Yes, I agree. I don't know. That seems like an overthink to me. however this it's still a nice sign and i think the sign is nice

and the entrance as far as it like coexisting with poo and exit and gift shop and everything i think it's wonderful i think it looks great over there i agree um i think the drooping you know a lot of it fake foliage um uh but mansion the haunted mansion area has a lot of kind of drooping plants oh yes we call those yeah yeah droopy plants yeah what are those drooping different droopy trees different varieties but yeah i saw a short uh of Imagineering members ride Tiana's. And one of the factoids was a lot of the stuff in the water out here, as you're starting the ride, is metal developed for water rides, so it won't age. Oh, and it wasn't before?

It might have been, but they were specifically Saying maybe it was A newer iteration Interesting Maybe something I haven't seen the open Haunted Mansion gift shop yet To know exactly How this transitioned out

Because there's I've heard a lot of discourse About this gift shop Was it open when you were there It was probably right You might say I didn't make it a priority To go to the gift shop

What Sorry to say this That's going to be The whole episode this year Oh priority to go to the gift shop. What? I'm sorry to say this. That's going to be the whole episode this year. Oh, I know. On Mansion Gift Shop. I know. And how it floods, how they have to put sandbags out in front of the entrance when it rains because they didn't figure that out, I guess.

Because it floods the store unless they do that. When store doors flood. Uh-huh. I had to do that down on Melrose. Oh, I don't. Well, I do. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Yeah,huh. I had to do that down on Melrose. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. I hear you.

Flooding down by La Brea. So actually, I do think it looks pretty good. Now, the question of is it as striking, is it as specific and unique as the old exterior of Splash Mountain? That is a different question. But I do kind of like the way it looks and blends now. Yeah, as far as the campus, I think it's never looked better in that, you know,

in Disneyland's little corner, in Disneyland's little dead end, I think it's great. I didn't really get to see it at night. I would be curious there. Yeah, God, I don't know if I have a real take on better or worse exterior i i like the like whatever you know the like the plants and the and the moss or whatever you want like the green

that now kind of overtakes the the the hit well let's let's get into it it's a the ride is now it's not a hill anymore it is a salt dome it's a salt dome we know this we know that new orleans has salt domes of course why of course we pay tribute to their cloud their wonderful salt domes and she set up her like a place where a bunch of people work in her in a salt dome It makes it weird when you're past the kind of the first lift and then there's like a sign that points you different directions and one is like break room. There's a break room in the salt dome.

It's kind of strange. I mean, I get, look, hey, if I could work out, I'd like to work out of a tree house more than I'd like to work out of some WeWork. That's true. It probably is a really nice place to work. Deanna's Food's is a good it probably is a really nice place to work diana's food's probably good deal yeah i i uh i saw the fake uh the sign at the meeting in the queue uh beignet wednesdays diana street so does it say that yeah it does wow so you're saying you're you're into it yeah i'm in well and you're and it's look it's a this is part of the the uh

plot of it also is that she has the restaurant you can go, the goal in the movie is achieved. She has a restaurant, but how is she gonna source all the food for the restaurant? She has Tiana's Foods. This is its own operation. It's kind of like a farm, but kind of like a farm built into a salt dome. I believe it's co-op.

It is a co-op. It's a co-op. That's a good job if you can get it. If you end up, you can, yeah. Work her out. You're part of, yeah, yeah, yeah. You own it, and you're getting free yeah yeah yeah you you you own it and you're

getting free beignets every wednesday good deal i think uh uh tabasco is maybe the main production headquarter or where they grow the peppers is by salt tomb is that right in louisiana i saw that somewhere when i was reading a little about salt tombs's. This was one of the craziest, crazy person reactions I saw about this ride. It's like, Salt Dome, that's some sleazy work there. So this ride is actually more racist. Oh, no. That was a safe splash person making that argument,

what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. Some kook. It wasn't one of us. That's what we're saying. It wasn't one of us. That's what we're saying. It wasn't one of us. It wasn't one of us. That's straight.

The idea of like, that it's going to open instead of, and I'm just going to like, I'm going to search high and low for every reason why this one's worse. Yeah.

I'm going to prove it in court that they made a more problematic ride. Yeah. What a night, what a good way to spend your life and time that you don't get paid. There are accounts still tweeting about it and it's really interesting. more problematic ride yeah what a night what a good way to spend your life there are free and time that you don't get paid there are accounts still tweeting about it and it's really interesting i mean also like i guess there's a lot of accounts that tweet about like there's still people that

are really rooting for the superman movie to fail this james gunn superman movie because of snyder stuff i literally don't know why it's because oh because because it all got taken away that plan got uh yeah i think it's because and oh, because it all got taken away. That plan got thwarted. Yeah, I think it's because, and if you look into it, generally the people that are so aggressively posting are still upset about Snyder stuff. So people are very relentless. Hasn't Zack Snyder moved on to a different movie studio

and made like three or four movies? I don't know that he's made that many, but he's made his Netflix thing that I can't think of the name of. He may have moved on, but his posters have not. So I'm saying that people have- Keep posting, Snyder people. People have stamina is what I'm saying when it comes to posting to try to get something overturned or changed or root for some failure. I guess I should be- I'm saying like I was surprised for a second and then I realized I see this all the time.

Yeah, well, I've noticed in the Club 3 polls. Well, sure. There's a stamp. People have stamina. People can last. Post your way to victory. You know what I think with the exterior? And I don't even like, I've already,

I think I kind of just said I like this ride also. I said it on the just, you don't have to, Scott, you can keep your reveal. I'll keep to myself. You'll keep it to let us know. I think I said I liked it. Yeah, to help your brow

with that American flag bandana you're wearing. So, so don't misunderstand me, but I think what happened with that exterior is that I saw that promo art, that art they released quickly

in 2020. Yes. And I had been hanging on to that for a long time. And it has a big tree where that like stump used to be on Spl long time. And it has a big tree where that stump used to be on Splash Mountain. And it has a boat in there. And the art looked awesome. And the way that it has come out, they don't have that tree.

They don't have a boat up there. Was there a big boat? It does not quite look as cool. And maybe the whole concept. Oh, my God. I forgot this. There was a boat. There was a boat-

There was a big boat. There was a big dog lagoon in the tree. And I don't know if this was a completely different concept. To me, that looks expensive to put that up there. And the way they did it looks less expensive. It was. Wow. Well, this isn't a salt dome, is it?

This is a big tree at the top. That worthy of Avatar or of animal kingdom tree of life yes that you so i hate to say i know that this is a problem is that this is kind of now every time i look at the new tiana exterior i think of ah but the tree like that to me equals the iconicness of splash mountains exterior and opposed to, because the dome just does, yes, I of course like that Splash Mountain has this peak. Yeah. It was really notable and so scary to me in a way

that's haunted me forever. And this, yeah, the fact that it's just kind of- This is what- All right, here you go. It's a little- Right. And again, I almost think it sort of blends. Like the old Splash Mountain kind of was like,

oh, and now we're in this kind of different landscape. And now we're into Pooh Bear. now we're into bear country or whatever but like i'm like oh this looks amazing and that's why i keep thinking money wise is that i think they did the best possible job they could do with this and there's really some good to great stuff but there's like things from like i'm like i bet that was another 30 million dollars or something 50 million dollars that could just be brain drain like clearly they had people who knew how to put a boat on top of a mountain we've all been to typhoon lagoon they might have all retired it's like how they say no one can do technicolor uh chemical processing anymore. Everyone's retired. All the boat guys retired.

All the boat and tree guys had retired. Wow. People who put boats in high places, they can't do it anymore. It looks great at night. It's like purpley at night. I would love to see it. In this concept art

I'm seeing, it's also like, and they embellish stuff in concept art but like there is this very like it's like firefly like there's like fireflies flickering this thing is does any of what's going on at night have any of this magic that kind of it has magic but it doesn't quite look like this but i do think there's mad like the the the lights are really cool there's a little more like color variation in parts i think it gets a little purpley it looks like it's purple yes and i love i'm a big purple my favorite light i've said this before my favorite like light setup is california adventure halloween time that purple light

on in like the hollywood area and like the in the old time whatever carthay area that is my favorite mood you know maybe any theme park i've ever been to is that purple halloween light you know what i'm talking about i know what you know this guy knows what i'm talking about a lot of shadows and stuff yeah but but so yeah so there's like purple light on this and it looks really nice so yeah don't get me wrong that i think this looks bad or anything yeah well all the plant like look it's it's great plant work it's great rock work i yeah that's the thing like you like one issue is splash mountain versus tiana but then like on top of that there is disney versus itself you know

like well-meaning imagineers whose budget clearly gets cut and then they can't do this cool thing and that cool thing yeah and it's over the, and over the years, too, it'll be interesting to see how you feel about the ride because initially all you're going to be doing is going, okay, does this feel like Splash Mountain? And that's, I think, what the success of Guardians to me is that I don't think about Tower of Terror almost ever. And I feel like quickly it went out of my head. I'm not thinking about it when I'm on that ride. And also though there is the benefit to the superior version always

was elsewhere and it still is. Yes, of course that's definitely part of it but I'm just like so it's interesting because yeah I'm doing, there's a couple different calculations you're doing these first few rides on the ride. Yeah, yeah. It's very loaded for a theme park fan yeah in a way that it won't be for just you know a kid going on this ride yeah of

course because the kid walks by it and goes oh that's cool it's a big what they won't know salt dome probably unless daddy explains it which he will don't worry daddy will explain it but uh yeah yeah they go it's cool big big thing. When everyone's chasing the same finance positions, chartered business valuators stand out. CBVs are an elite group of trusted professionals doing everything from deal advisory to litigation support to succession planning. CBVs are a preferred hire in investment banking,

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Yeah. And that's maybe a bigger bummer to me. Like an optical illusion. It was an old optical illusion. It's like if you cut the tops off a main street, you'd realize, oh, these buildings aren't, you know, that's what, three-quarter, not three-quarter, is it three-quarter,

three-fifth scale? I forget the scale. But yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, that was an old extra optical illusion. So I'm sure that's why in the concept art, they were like, well, let's put something to match sort of that whatever stump on top of Splash Mountain just to give it that illusion. So some of my complaints about it was that they've gotten rid of some of the stuff that scared you as a kid or as a teen or as a really 20s.

Well, I would say a lot of, I mean, the vibe of it is so different for sure. And, you know, I would actually, just to like do the cliff notes of the story, there's just less peril in the entire notion of it. I think any, like Splash Mountain always had, you're going to get thrown down in the briar patch and that's the arc of it. But then things end up happy. In this, it is all about a big celebration that Tiana is going to get thrown down in the briar patch and that's the arc of it but then things end happy. In this it is all about a big celebration that Tiana is going to have. They are missing a band and you need to help gather critters critter musicians

This is great. To do along with Louis the alligator so that a big Tiana's food celebration can't occur right great premise great yeah we're putting the band together it's really cute now are these uh musician animals in the musicians union well don't have to deal with that um the other thing is like there were no human music i know it says it was carnivalival season, and I'm sure they're busy,

but surely you get some young, hungry, up-and-coming musicians. Oh, you're saying the humans aren't in the band? The human musicians, I guess, are all booked, but there'd be some old veterans who would just play the show hopped up on beignets and chicory coffee. Hopped up on beignets? Hopped up on beignets and Sazeracs and chicory coffee. When was the last time you were hopped up on a beignet?

Beignet. Oh, well, it brings you back to life. You get a beignet at the, what do they call it now? The Coastal Jazz? Ralph Brennan's? Oh, yeah, I know. On the way out? They call it Looks Like Shit. Yeah. Downtown Disney's destroyed, desecrated

Ralph Brennan's. We do gotta get Jason hopped up on beignets. Get you sniffing a line of that sugar. That's a lot of sugar, but even if you try, you're going to get some on your shirt. Yeah, that's true. That's part of the fun. I think I had a filled beignet at Tiana's Palace. Filled with what?

Like a custard, like a custard or like a lemon filling or something. Are there options? There are different types of filling there? I think there was. I was there right after it opened. And they're usually not filled? It's like, it is the sugar.

It's usually just fried and powdered sugar. Usually, yeah, plain. But yeah, so. But I. Just animals, just cute animals. Just cute animals. I don't disagree with. Well, until the, there's like a kid drummer at the end. Yeah, who's that kid?

Who's that fucking kid? I don't know. Is that supposed to be Tiana Naveen's like child that is never addressed? Oh, that's a good question. I don't know. I'm not sure. Is that a character in the movie?

I don't remember. No, I don't. I think they just went happily ever after in the movie. I don't know. I don't know. The, and it's not answered by the... It feels like an eventual episode or

Club 3 or something that we gotta do is... Oh, I think I put it in the poll, I believe. At Eisner's pitch for Fantasia 2000 that you meet there's a procession to pomp and circumstance of all the princesses and princes and they present their children.

Oh, yeah. Here's Cinderella. Here's Dylan Charming. Oh, I would love that. Here's Breck Bell Beast. I don't know their last name.

They hyphenated. There's enough mutts children at this point they'd be able to do a procession of just them yeah the greatest kids in the world yeah uh uh anyways but yeah so you were on the you're on the hunt for musicians what a great way to then go uh you know just get a bunch of critters playing music i mean they're like i have to move elsewhere for my ride notes, but is this a good chance to talk about some of these animatronics and these, do they stand out and do they, which one of these musician critters do we like? Well, I like all of them.

I've seen some complaints. Yeah, they're limited. Some of them are limited in movement. But I think all of them really pop. And I've seen some people complain, like some parts of the ride are much darker than Splash Mountain. But I do think that highlights the show scenes where you do see some of the robots with the animals.

So I don't know. I'm a big, do you want to start shouting out like i have my list of names here yeah sure yeah yeah well i don't um you know i like kind of the there's a lot of good like woodland ones but my favorite animatronics i think in general are the big frogs yes or to spoiler and to jump around that you are uh you you get shrunk in this and i the ones that really pop to me are the frogs that are presumably your size that's the idea there that you are getting turned frog sized yes to resemble what happens in princess and the frog in the like laughing place part of splash mountain they've changed it now to where where you get shrunk down and you see a big,

like you see Tiana on a screen, like her head is big, like she's regular size. Shining, peering in. And that's the closest to kind of an ode to the psychedelic nature of the original ride, too, in some ways. Because there's a little more color in that section as well.

Yeah, it matches that. It feels like if if if they're following the format of splishman that that that there needs to be like a big tonal shift post that second drop i think that is achieved very well yes yes i think that's a very successful successful part and those frogs are really fun yeah they stand out the most as like like personality yes to me like as a kid like they're just like your kid brain goes oh yeah i would be like oh we're in the frog part and there's like kind of like glow there's like a big bottle that you see pretty quickly i think

that's kind of glowing that felt very alice in wonderland yeah yeah yeah peering into well and seeing the fireflies through the bottles and stuff yeah that's all a lot of fun and there's some griping about the cgi tiana because she doesn't look quite like the robot tiana or the hand drum but like i don't know i yeah that's uh just watching videos that was the thing that stuck out to me were those screens where they're like it's just kind of basic cg animation to make it match the animatronics and i i think the mama od animatronic is really good yeah i think so there's a few of them um uh but that said in terms of match the original movie i thought was unique in that it was 2d animation with like cg elements and it gave it a very

interesting look it gave it a very unique look. It gave it a very unique look. And I wish they could have gotten that in those little screen moments. That's true. And especially given that it's an important film in that respect, that it was a return to the hand-drawn form. Right.

But that actually might be a brain drain. Or like, oh, we we can't this was kind of experimenty and these computers ever replaced three times like we can't do this as easily yeah i think also there is sometimes it's like logic wise they're like well if if it's hand drawn it's not going to match the robots and some of that is a little too i don't know it's in the same way that like the the timeline in galaxy's edge stuff where you're like what's what's cooler or more fun versus what has to like completely follow like ironclad logic yeah maybe it's that maybe it's not maybe it's just

cheaper to do at cgi but this especially it's like well that's true but also magic is involved yeah yeah yeah so they looked a little uh stranger to you that would kind of explain that away right and i i also i don't maybe somebody would say well the reason there's no like tree and waterfall is because like louisiana's flat and they do have salt mines and they don't really have waterfalls but but i would say to that who cares yes yeah i would say that's fun though thousand percent yeah so i will let me say that i think they pulled in the correct new orleans elements yeah like if there's if there's that thing of like let's let's actually like tribute the city and the culture yeah like the murals and the hand-drawn nature and stuff.

I think murals are really cool. So charming. Yeah, yeah. And the way in Florida too, there's like, they're slightly different. Yeah, there's this big wall in the Florida one early on in a lift hill that's super charming. And I was like, what was that before? And it was just like a blank wall. Yes.

So any notion, I think people are being the the if you can imagine certain youtubers being particularly angry about certain things yes there's something about like you see a lot of like it's just empty it feels empty and then you look at side by sides and you're like this has color and it didn't before right literally there was no animatronic in this hill and now there's a tiana right um i mean you know maybe other parts don't satisfy you on that level, but like the side-by-side is pretty, I don't know, it's an endorsement, I think, for the new one.

Yeah, I agree. Oh God, I wish I remembered the exact specifics. I swear one of the complaints I saw was someone said like, huh, a 1930s promotional painted mural in a ride that takes place in the 1940s. Or like it was something that small where it's like a 1910s mural in a ride that takes place in the 30s.

Where it's just like, why? No one will. They will just go, it is the past hello mural police i have a major crime to report yeah you'll want to be sitting but no i i agree with you scott i appreciate how much they did research and got you know the vibe right and the the cuisine right and the chefs i think that stuff probably paid off better than it often does. And, you know, like I know Disney, like, you know, there's a lot of research trips involved.

We just, you know, found that on Sweatbox. That always happens, and I think it really shows here. There is a different and authentic feel, absolutely. And it's a different slice of New Orleans than New Orleans Square which has been in the works since the 60s so it's nice that there's like a whole new area of it that's being acknowledged

I like I would say I guess I keep comparing but like I would say this first part of the queue the exterior part of that queue with the murals and with like her office I think is better than splash mount like i think it's a lot more fun office is very nice yeah let me admit i i did not wait in the line i did not oh yeah how did you get how did you do it or i guess it was open

by the time you went oh yeah yes i know it was for me it was past any virtual queue and all that nonsense it was you know pretty if i'd gotten in this is the only part where i told aaron like sucks you should be glad you didn't go was just that like security took it's like a fucking the time you're in the car line then in the tram line like it took an hour and a half to even be in the park yeah and in that time the tiana went from 10 minutes to 35 and i'm like and then the rest of that was awesome but the um uh what i mean what i ended up doing single rider they yeah the app doesn't say they're actually kind of bad about i've been i've walked up to rides that say that they have single rider and they go no and then this has one and it's not listed on the website as having one. And it's a very efficient one for the single riders out there.

Don't miss it. Jump in, do it. You might like wait with three other people outside the facility entirely and then just be led like, you know, 10 feet away from the logs. It's really great. Yeah. I went when they were doing virtual queue. I struck out like two or three times doing that when I would wake up at 7 a.m. in the morning to get the virtual queue reservation. The problem was is that it would be screwing you because you had to have a reservation for the park that you couldn't cancel once. Oh, so you end up with your three strikes. So the first time I just went down anyway, hoping that I would get it at noon.

I did not get it at noon and did not get to ride it. The second time I ate the strike. I have a penalty now on my account. I have one strike on my Magic Key Pass Disneyland account. You have a Scarlet P? That's right. And then the third time, which I feel like it was two weeks later after they had started doing it, I finally got it in the morning, went went down solo and then just had a decent day and and walked basically right

on when the virtual queue started and i was walking in to the queue and was handed a poncho we'll get to this later but was handed a poncho by some nice strangers. Really? Like, do you want this? Yes. Grabbed it, took it, wiped, or just shook it to get the water off, and then took that on, and then paid that forward as I got off and gave another stranger. Is this a little thing that's forming in the Disneyland community, is passing off the ponchos? I don't know, but I don't know if it's been happening recently, but it was happening that day.

It's a good thing because that's waste. That's like you buy an expensive and also bad poncho to be immediately thrown away well the other the thing i had learned uh is if you really want a poncho for water rides go into like amazon and buy a pack they're like two dollars yeah yeah or like a dollar for five because they'll get you in an airport way they'll be able to pay like 20 bucks for so certainly pay it forward if you they'll get you in an airport way. They'll be able to pay you like 20 bucks for one. So certainly pay it forward if you have a pack, you know. Get a pack. Get a pack.

There's a Disneyland one. I think we bought one at Disney World when it was raining at Animal Kingdom and the plastic smell was so brutal. It felt like, it really felt like it was giving me a headache. Like we were,

I just like freshly put it on and this one actually smelled similarly. So I wonder if they had bought it at disney that day and disney just has thick smelly plastic that gets in your brain the microplastics invading my brain it does feel yeah you're not crazy there it feels and it feels like it's getting hot it feels like it's like yes it's fusing into you as if you're getting like a you're getting some kind of skin graft or something. It's weird. Is it supposed to be this hot?

Yes, that means it's working. They changed it because for many years it was those iconic yellow ponchos. Right. And then they changed it because it's like, oh, you know what these are also great for? Shoplifting. So they changed it to a more opaque. That's why clear? Yeah, that's why clear.

I didn't know. But I love that they keep the smelly, hot plastic part. They didn't adjust that. It feels like the thickness of the piece of plastic you put on your office floor so you can wheel your office chair on it. It feels like that thick of plastic and that pleasant opaque that's the kind of plastic that breaks within three weeks yeah that's what it feels like you're wearing with these ponchos and that is the kind of poncho i had smelly spiky floor plastic that you're wearing to protect you from the rain or from a water ride yeah so i wore

so i put that on but it was it was fun it was a fun exchange it was fun to be like you want it yes i want it and then i did the same thing leaving uh so that's a good tip if you if you want to pay it forward if we're sort of going in order though anything else you want to shout out about the queue because it does seem yeah there's good like like food representations and then we're kind of going let's let's just go back and order the ride. That's what I'm thinking. No, I mean, just that there's a ton to look at in the queue. I felt like I was, I mean, I hung back

and let people go ahead of me, but there's just a lot of fun little things and details just like any other like Everest or like when you see people's desks in rides. I guess that is a common thing. I like ride offices. Ride offices. I really like that.

From Spider-Man and Islands of Adventure, there's an office. Fake offices. Fake office Final Four? We don't have one. There it is. That's a nice fit. Men in Black, Alien Attack.

There's good offices. There's a lot to assess there. Do you want to work there? But it could be a good representation of an office that would be bad to work at. Right? Yeah. That's it. Okay.

You did it. Well, just tell us if you hate that. But I like. No, I really like that. That's pretty immediate from the three of us. I think that's it. Okay. Wow.

You did it, yeah. Oh, discovery. We took one off last year. Jason's back. We're figuring out our strategy for the next year this is good thank god you said that because i remember i had pitched um ventriloquist's dummy final four too so he just saved us was on to think you know there's there's the kind of like don't say no to a pitch unless you can think of a better one well scott we just we just learned about Little Jeff, though. You mean Jeff Dunham?

Yeah, Jeff Dunham. This was in a text thread, not on the show, right? Yeah, this was on a group text. We learned about Little Jeff, the practice dummy, but also Peanut's dummy of Jeff Dunham, I believe is the full stack. Jeff Dunham's dummy, Peanut,

has a little dummy of Jeff Dunham. Little Jeff. Oh, that's what it is. The dummy operates a dummy. I believe that. Well, that's what he was saying. Well, yes, and then I believe you can buy Little Jeff in instructional DVD.

You can buy Little Jeff, yes. So you can learn how to do Venture. But you've avoided it. You picked or you found a good one. No, I was going to say, I believe you can buy Little Jeff, and I believe that I can turn my car on in the garage for long enough that I can going to say, I believe you can buy a little Jeff, and I believe that I can turn my car on in the garage for long enough that I can go to sleep and not do this episode. You can smother yourself with a thick plastic poncho.

You definitely can. They hand out implements that you could kill yourself with. You could, yes. Sorry, Scott. Just spin that baby around, like hole up in a bathroom stall where it gets hot and musty. He'll be out in half an hour. Yeah, but if you do either one of those, you know who's going to appear in front of you? Little Jeff.

Is that who you see before you enter whatever afterlife has meant for you? The Pirelli Gates? Hell, yeah. Hey there. I'm little Jeff. You can go to heaven, but it's nothing but ventriloquist dummies up here. All the ones in the- Send me to hell, dummies up here. All the ones in the- Send me to hell. Send me to hell.

All the ones in the museum. Okay. Wow. Fake office Final Four. That is good. Yeah. And then the actual, back me up if I missed anything, but the actual boarding zone is- Is pretty-

Really similar, I'd say. Very similar. Yeah. me up if i missed anything but that the actual boarding zone is is pretty really similar it's very similar yeah so like that if there's any like plussing up of like the actual the non-office part of it i'm like could they have done anything to this zone because basically it's supposed to be a salt mine now so they kind of just like to me it looks like the walls are a little like dirty or something like it just kind of like splashes of like maybe more like white color and i don't know even how to describe it really yeah but i'm like that's kind of just this is more this is sort of just the splash mountain q which is fine this is these are minor gripes at the end of the day yeah i'm really looking just to tell you i wrote down fake office funnel for not that we'll forget but even and then

i was like you were zoning out i was just office i think i'm just dreaming yeah it's just a good it's a really good one yeah because I'm so fond of all those. Tiana's Little Office is one of the best things. Yeah, The Office is one of them. The big question is going to be, is it Little Offices or Big Offices? Or is one size... Yeah, absolutely. Do you even do a face-off?

Are the halves Big Office and Little Office? Good question. Or do you thrust them next to each other? Is it conferences? If we can find enough in both categories. Yeah. I guess we have to make the list to be able to tell.

Yes, I think that's right. But there's a lot. There's going to be a lot. We're going to have to really find good 4K video so we can tell the details on the desks. I know because some of them are offices we can't go to. Some of these offices might be in Japan. We can't exactly go

and hang out in the queue and let people move past us. Harrison Hightower's office. Oh, man. Yeah. We also, though, have to create a firm divide between dens. We have to discuss our dens offices. Yeah, but you can do office type things in a den

yeah so it depends Mickey I mean Mickey's den oh is the den is the den and makes his calls a lot to talk about I think you have to see if 16 spots are filled up by proper offices okay or you can and if they aren't then

dens are in the picture. Yeah. Maybe we can, I don't know, we can discuss the rules. We'll have to discuss the rules, yeah. On the air too.

Maybe that's a preview, that's a Patreon episode where we discuss the rules of the office and den. Simulations of all his. And we argue basically of what should be. And figuring it.

I might argue. You've never done that. Well, I don't even want to, yeah, so maybe it's an episode where we argue the rules. Sure. Are you getting us all the way back?

Did you say 16? He said 16. Oh, okay. 16 because that's how many. We do. So that's. We've had competing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I might argue for 32. Okay. 32. Have we done a 32? Was the vehicle one 32? I don't know.

Was it? I don't remember anything well we'll have to well then maybe it's entire divisions and it's little offices and it's dens and it's in 32 and now dens are in the picture for sure but now right now we're in a four-hour episode territory yeah that's true so that's gonna have to to be. But plus the rules as its own episode. Yeah. Patreon.com slash podcast. Right.

The rules. If we just did that every year and don't say what it means. Right. An episode just comes out called The Rules. Yeah. All right. Lots to discuss. Anyway.

Yeah. Boarding area. Charming's ever. Are we on the ride now? Thanks Yeah we can go on the ride You know what I like You know obviously Alright so there's like a

You know Tiana's Food sign It's nicely done Tiana animatronic You get an animatronic earlier I think Disney World Removed like a frog Or something

And people don't like I think you got an animatronic Much earlier in Magic Kingdom And that's gone Yeah And it's just an empty space Right like a frog or something and and people don't like i think you got an animatronic much earlier in magic kingdom and that's gone and it's just an empty space right and that is that's not a good you can't replace an animatronic with nothing right but i don't we don't have that effect in disneyland so to me i'm like wow animatronic in this little this little barn kind of thing yeah that's good um i okay my opinions on living with the land have been gone over and gone over yes let me say this i loved being a slow moving log passing by little signs for fake food oh

interesting this i don't know what it is this was great to me i like seeing little little okra and like gator peppers you were delighted by the queue this is what this is my big hypothesis for you and living with the land is that unpleasant interior yep yeah uh and q area this is also this is that's also is maybe an area is like what is the like what are the most unpleasant parts of disney that's very funny. Can we find the worst room in any theme park? Because I really do think, yeah, I think I'm always carrying

a lot of that annoyance into that ride with me. I will say, I walk into the land and when you're looking down at everything, looking at everything, I'm like,

oh, so nice. You know? And the balloons and whatever's still there. Yes, that's what I'm saying. In 1982, it was glorious in there. That was one of the best rooms in Disney parks. Yes, and when you could just walk on to living with the land,

ah, what nice paintings. Now I'll hop right on the ride. Yeah, yeah. Let's sew with switchbacks. Yeah, right. But I do like those fake scenes, those fake different climates at the beginning of Living with a Land.

I like those too. That's some of my problem is that there's not more stuff like that. Okay, fair. But I don't know what it, I guess in the same way that we, we are more interested in fake nature than we are interested in real nature.

Yeah. And it's just similar to, I just like seeing okra, squash, purple pod beans. And then there's a big gator, there's like Lewis made out of squash. And that's, yeah, that's clever. I don't know. Give me these fake plants.

I think I like it more in that pre-indoor section than I used. I think Instrumental's great out there. I think they did a really nice job in everything before you're you're indoors yes I agree and I think all that like I'm I'm delighted by all the additions leading up to the first drop indoors like as far as just the vibe of like the the fake green greenage whatever and the vegetables his little bottom. Yes. That's right. Really early on. Yeah. No. Yeah.

Okay. You know, exterior pre-first drop. Because that's right. That's the first drop, right? It's the small one. Yeah. Yeah. Although.

You drop into the ride. Real soaker. Real pants super. That's a whole thing with this ride. Did it get worse somehow? I don't know if it's right now is worse but i i've never gotten that's why people i think were really worried about having a poncho is because for whatever reason it feels like this thing is drenching you i always got nailed on those first those little the first the little

ones were always worse than the big ones yeah in general but it definitely felt like all of them were just nailing us left and right. Yeah. And yeah, that would like either the first one or the second one would like the boats would or the logs would overflow with water. Yeah, you were getting souped pants for sure. The log would just go submerge into the water and just throw water on you versus just getting splashed like and even i will admit that being soaked in pitch black is an unnerving sensation yes yeah yeah uh uh this reminded me i forgot i was just searching for my notes that i took while doing it because i um i ended up doing this ride twice which is maybe an indicator of my enjoyment of it and maybe an indicator of the ease of getting on it at this point, at least on a random day during the week.

I was thinking about how soaked did I get. And I didn't do a poncho, but I just wore a jacket over the clothes I actually wanted to be wearing. And that took the brunt of it. Definitely got more soaked the second time. I think I was all the way in the back the first time, and something about that helped. You have room to manipulate. You can kind of lift yourself up

and fully get your legs off the ground. In the second one, I was up further, and I definitely got it worse. And behind me were a mother and kid, and I forgot, like, and behind me were a mother and kid and I forgot like oh you can just fit two you can fit a a parents and a child in the same a little section yeah it's kind of weird um and we got real soaked on that first drop which seems like nothing and the kid was so so upset at that one.

And I'm like, where is the rest of this? This is going to be really unpleasant. And sure enough, by the end, just like, you know, I mean, it's exactly what my son would do. It's exactly what I did when I was 13, honestly. Obviously, I was like a baby about this. Anyway, they calculated it wrong. But I also bring all that up to say I wrote down the quote that she really miscalculated. This is not a kid who wants to be on this ride.

If the first one was that bad for him. And then also, he's in like a bad mood, but they're trying to get selfies. And he's shifting around. And then I hear her say, hey hey smile for grandpa or no sprite as much as things change some things stay the same threat of withholding soda it's the only way to keep it right it's both a a reliable punishment and also like when you get older you're gonna be glad you don't have that. I'll have to keep that phrase in mind as a disciplinary tactic myself. I got two of these guys now.

That's so funny. Mike jolted in his chair when you said just the threat, no sprain. I didn't like that. It's if I need to keep you in line. I'll be defiant though i'll go buy my own sprite i can buy my own sprite i mean we share a patreon i have i have access uh you don't control how many sprites i get um so but yeah you know what that outdoor great first drop great as ever although apparently wetter or something. Then you're cruising into that first room

and you're in there and you're like, well, this just is as good, if not better. I think at that point, there's no question. You're immediately like, wow. Critters, Lewis, Tiana, so many animators. There are screens, but they aren't crazy. I don't think that there's anything particularly effective or memorable about like the kind of the like little magic

dust that's flying everywhere yeah i don't know that that's i don't know if it works like they want it no that makes me feel like it's um uh uh that makes me glad they haven't done the spaceship earth redo because i feel like it'd be they might do that it'd be like wow and then when you see that spirit flying around and then they do it it's like it didn be like that. It'd be like, wow, and then when you see that spirit flying around and then they do it, it's like... It didn't, yeah. Oh, the spirit of storytelling? Yeah, yeah, the old spirit of storytelling I never got to do. I think it

would just be like, I just feel like I'm watching a DVD menu. This isn't anything. Yeah, yeah. But besides that, I don't mind screens in this. I love where both Disney and Universal are landing in terms of like screens kind of augment and support and aren't meant to be the main attraction. So everything up until second drop, hell yeah. I'm like, it's still critters playing music.

The music's really charming. Yeah. I think you'd really be like grasping for straws if you were like this is not remotely what uh right it's animals playing music yeah and you get to see them and they're big and fun and colorful and yeah and the way and you're at a speed that's kind of like i don't even have time to take it all in i gotta go on this again yeah it's everything it it has so much of the it retains a lot of what worked about splash mountain i think yes i agree i i think that the only thought i would have is that i almost in a way felt like the ride was quicker and maybe it's just because

it's such so much new stuff but i was like oh is it because of just like kind of highlighting little show scenes as versus feeling like i don't know i guess sort of what we talk about where it's like pirates there's just a ton going on and it feels like you're you don't you're not being directed where to look i'm not sure if that's just a ton going on and it feels like you're not being directed. Where to look? I'm not sure if that's kind of why it felt shorter. Everything felt like shorter. Obviously, it doesn't go faster or anything, but you are just being directed

to little certain show scenes from one to the next versus like there's so much stuff around you. Now, is there really so much more stuff around you in Splash? I don't think so. It's just that because that was such an open room you're looking all around going where are we where are

we going and i think maybe that led to some of my feeling of like this place is actually like i i got off of this version of of the ride and i was like oh that all feels a little like it felt shorter and it felt like smaller in my brain going on splash mountain sometimes i'm like i'm confused where i am where we came in and now it's a much clearer picture of like i'm looking here and i'm looking here oh sure we're on to another ride and i don't know that's a bad thing it was just a difference in the way i process this track this flume ride i don't know interesting i guess it is a little more, being that there is like kind of more,

here's dialogue to pay attention to that explains what's going on. It's a little more, I guess, show scene and less atmosphere. It felt like more, my brain made it,

it felt more linear versus chaotic. Yeah. Which again, is not a bad thing because it was all, it was all really cute or good animatronics

and good music. Then you get into, yeah, what used to be Br'er Bear's butt is now a screen with Mama Odie who shrinks you. And then that gives way to this new sequence where there are lots of giant things rather than tons of small critters. Yeah. I think this is all pretty delightful

and a fun surprise if you don't know it's coming. Like, oh, that's a step. And it's a way to like, you know, create a whole, give it a dull new act with new moves and stuff. And it's the way to do the thing

from the movie. Yeah. Yes. But not have Tiana have to be a frog. Yes. Not like arbitrarily. She is a frog a lot in the movie. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is movie yes yeah yeah criticism so to not uh you know

make it where it's just oh the thing that happened in the first movie is happening again but you're here it's it's a little bit different my only question is why why do you get shrunk oh you mean like a narrative reason you're saying? Hmm. That's a good question. I've been thinking about this a lot. It's like, time to get small. Why? That bottle is there.

I don't know if that suggests we drank from that bottle. Oh. Do you remember? Now that I'm thinking about it, does she drink from something and turn into a frog? Or is it just a spell? I forget. I forget, too.

No, she in the, it's, I watched the trailer, the original trailer, and she kisses him like the classic Prince and the Frog. If you kiss me, I'll turn into a handsome prince. And that turns her into the frog. So we should have gotten a big smooch from some character. That would be the note. Giant lips. We get a big smooch.

Yeah. Giant. Like the Rolling Stones logo. The scariest mouth. You go through it. You go through giant lips. And once you pass through, I guess that would take me to the body. That would be very unnerving and scary and gross.

I did see one of the things mentioned about this ride is, in terms of characters not in it, Dr. Facilier. The villain in the movie characters not in it dr facilier the villain this is all speculation too in it because of like dr facilier is in other things in parks well that's what i was going to say i thought oh did they think that was too much of a macguffin like voodoo is used like well that's what people have said online we're like that sort of should yes is used for magic right but dr vasily a has been at like two oogie boogie pashes in the 2020s yeah so i disney is not completely clear on exactly why in the narrative of princess and the frog he's like dead but oh that's right i was just wondering but friends on the other side like you could bring them back to like this might be you know and we've been going for a little bit since it might be a good time to

get into this this discussion because i think this is the discussion is uh the drop and the feeling of the drop because i yeah if that was the calculation if it's that we want to get away from voodoo or we can't do Facilier. Therefore, if you haven't been on it, the vibe of the lift hill and then the drop is kind of now not scary but celebratory. And there's a party waiting for you and we'll get you there in a minute. And maybe it's also kind of like that's the passage to make you not small anymore. Right. Like the drop is supposed to be the transformation right and i get all that i'm just not sure that it works for me that there's no

like build of tension and fear it's the one thing i would want changed yeah yeah even as much as i you know little things i have here and there about it, that's the one thing. I don't think it works. It doesn't do it. Yeah. The fear, especially when I was a kid, that you would feel going up that lift hill was so strong and made the drop so much cooler. Yeah. And now it's sort of just a very toned-

Those shadows are seared into me forever. Not shadows, the silhouettes, I'm saying. Yeah. Seared into me. Vultures. Oh, my God. Thunder, lightning. And I think it all also really fits with it, ultimately,

that all lift hills before big flume drops feel like industrial, scary, clanky. Yeah, yeah. You're going up a big big belt it's like the end of toy story 3 it's like i'm i'm heading what what's there's light up there yeah but i don't think that's good light i think i'm going to hell right now and like it just it is what the ride mechanism feels like it makes what is ultimately not that bad so much scarier to me you all know about my journey with this right like it's so much of it was psychological from the way it was treated so i don't know if it really works to have it be like hey you'll be you'll be at a party in 20 seconds get ready yeah i saw some imagineers say like kind of contradictory things of like we want to scale back on the peril but

and then it was also we recognize that conquering the big drop on this ride is a rite of passage for a lot of kids so it's like well those sound like contradictory goals i mean yeah i think we're i think we we've been on the record as being like yeah it's good when children's entertainment has scary stuff it's good to like have some scares toy story 3 a great example but um yeah i don't know i think they were trying to have it both ways like keep the drop keep the right of passage, but scale back on the sinister nature of it. This is a whole nother conversation probably, but I do sense overthink, I would say,

in some aspects of Disney. Like the new bride I have not seen on Haunted Mansion. We've all read the Kim Irvine article and Kim is the daughter of Leota tombs she's done a lot of great stuff at disney she said they took the old bride out because they didn't want to celebrate axe murdering and look it's a haunted house ride having it isn't necessarily celebration i just like there feels to be some sort of overthink happening and also by the way if you listen to if you go through year by year on a haunted mansion i cited that as the thing i of one of my strongest dislikes and oh and and the new version

looks better with that rash is it better okay and then the version on video i've seen looks bad like it looks like but it's just like i'm just like i feel like that's kind of an overthinking there's ghosts shooting each other with muskets on this ride portraying something isn't celebrating so so right i'm just saying like that feels like a very overthink and i think a lot of it's coming from a good place i'm just saying there seems to be some overthink in that regard so i don't know if they're like we don't want to scare kids but i'm like kids like to be scared i again we don't have a concrete reason why this lift hill has nothing to be scary in it but we're speculating yeah no i think i think over modern disney overthink is right and then it's like well why shouldn't this be the same logic of couldn't we take a drop tower

ride and make it fun and silly and celebratory instead of uh just scary and it goes with that is so successful in that whole that demonstration of it's like uh you know uh uh throwing a baby up and down a little bit like uh uh so you'd think well that could work but i think clearly guardians works and this does not really work it's a different thing though too yeah different because like that the tower of terror that was always the end that was that was the climax and now they're taking the the tower of terror ride system and that's going to be the whole ride basically versus before where the lead up is a big part of almost half the ride oh you're right that's a significant aspect of the change they're completely taking just the climax of the ride and using that ride system to make a whole nother ride and then

they're seeing like okay can we just make a different vibe and it's very successful and then they change the music, which doesn't, I mean, the different songs changes vibe a little bit, and especially Monsters After Dark changes the vibe. So you do a variation just in Ride. But when you're talking about a ride that's this long, and I've talked about this before, a good ride often does need, I think, tone shifts,

little tone shifts. Yeah, which is why I like the shrinking, why I like everything's big now. It's tone shifts. Star Tours is the moment where I said said we've just joined the rebel alliance or whatever like that it's little stuff like that so this is a very similar tonally for nine minutes problem it's a new act just need a little change up and it doesn't even if somebody can argue why it could have a different emotion on the lift till? Maybe. I don't know what it is. But scary sure seems to follow, doesn't it?

But scary sure seems to make the most sense. Well, the stuff we mentioned earlier about, like, they went to New Orleans. They did all this research. They met with all these people. They studied all this architecture and the landscapes, blah, blah, blah. I think they got most of it. Missing a big puzzle piece here, which is New Orleans is one of the most haunted places in America,

I feel like. It is so much. So much history. What if there were ghost projections in there? Again, I don't know exactly what it is, and I don't know the world of the film enough to know what to pull from. But if there's that calculation of no voodoo or we don't want to do facility,

why couldn't it be that mama Odie's magic is going haywire? Sure. Things are flying. It's, it's now where you don't need a villain for that to happen. Like I think there's plenty of theme park situations of the well-meaning scientists or whatever. Oh, I lost control.

Isn't there a way that it can be chaos in there, but it's still her who means well? Like some lightly sinister song with a big, heavy, upright bass part in it. Just really building up some cool visuals. Couldn't it still be Friends on the Other Side without a rearranged version that's not? Yeah. They're halfway there. We need to find some musicians. Where's the easiest place to find music?

Oh, you sell your soul to the devil at the crossroads? Well, sure. Oh, dude. Well, that's pretty. Well, I would argue for that, but. That's probably too. Man, Jason, that's a good pitch. But it's so

not current isn't it so it's not but they would have done it back they would have done in the 80s even in 2009 in that original trailer there's the they show this scene where there's a gag where lewis just wants to play trumpet with the real musician and he hops on a riverboat does a trumpet solo and everyone is horrified looking to him. And then it's kind of a classic visual gag, cuts to a wide shot of the riverboat. He jumps out of the boat and then there's just a barrage of gunfire after him.

Oh, wow. So that's like a go-to cartoon gag. But it's like, yeah, you're not going to do that gag at 2025 maybe, but... Yeah, but there's like, yeah, you're not going to do that gag at 2025 maybe, but. Yeah. But there's options. Besides there's options. You can't overthink yourself out of just like the basic way

things need to go. And it's basically like, because I just don't even know, in my head, there's no like even musical shift there. To me, it's just like. No, there's not. It's just more of what you, and you just, it's a point where you need build and escalation for what was like a particularly great build and escalation. Yeah.

And it's also just the way these things go. It's like the, you know, the knots one gets scary. Yeah. Like, it's just, I, yeah. It's a bummer. If it feel, if you were listening to the whole episode and you're like, ah, it seems like, I don't know, is there a fault? This is the big issue I think we have with it.

This is it, really. Obviously, yeah, little stuff, but it feels like this is the thing as a kid you remember so vividly. And again, even just as an adult, you're going up and that's like, this is the whole thing, you're going to conquer this. And now it just, it doesn't feel tonally different. And you're not as scared. And I guess if you've seen the exterior now, it doesn't look like the mountain is as tall.

It doesn't look like the drop is as bad. So now you're not psychologically going, I'm in this. I'm going to be thrown out of this. But it does feel like modern Disney now wanting to scare. Snow White still has some scary stuff, but getting rid of Snow White's scary adventure, which, again, I think is better. I do think that's a plus up from the old ride. Yes.

And there's a lot of this that I think is a plus up. And don't let this confuse that my final review pretty much is, I like Tiana's Bio Adventure. Yeah, it's good. Yeah. It's really good. It's good. Yeah. But this one element one element it could be like amazing yeah it could be literally unquestionably better than splash i think if you put so much this i just don't know if you put so much work into this

not so much work just like some elements i feel like you'd be like if anything had to get topped i think they i think they thought a lot about changing out properties and they thought about a lot of things that needed to be thought about and and uh they need to think about carefully and a lot of it is really victorious but i don't i think they lost sight of like also this is our chance to do splash mountain 2.0 right and to make it way better they or they had ideas and this and like that may it i bet it's also that imagineers meant well and then i was like what if there's just some lights and stuff maybe because that's all i could afford i am sorry if i came up with an alternate ride where princess diana needs a band for her party uh Naveen, who is kind of a cad

in the beginning of the movie, kind of a scoundrel, sells his soul to learn how to play an instrument and then you have to get his soul back. That's a little more scary. That's a little more intense. Pretty good. It involves him,

who otherwise is not particularly in the ride. I think they put, they were really concerned with making the final show scene after the drop as big and spectacular as the river boat with all the dancing animals and i think mission accomplished on that me too final scene on this so much stuff to look at i wish there was a restaurant we could sit and watch all that stuff because it goes by too fast really well you got you'll get the train back you'll get that's true see it from there you get the train back i think there's isn't there more stuff there's a nice little kind of glowy city at the end yes there's stuff i think it's a yeah i think it's

an improved i think it's i will say i think it's better i think like i love the riverboat with america sings characters but like i don't know it's kind of better moodier more depth well used screens um easter eggs of ray and evangeline are twinkling stars at the one night time yeah raise the jim cummings firefly who dies in the movie he's always talking about loving evangeline who's a twinkling star and then the end of the movie to the two stars are next to each other is that right you can see that in a moment towards now. I think they put all of the, oh, not, they put a lot of effort in all of it,

but that was the thing, like, we gotta nail that. It has to be this big spectacular thing. I think everybody was scared that that would somehow get scared. Right.

Because you're like, modern Disney's not doing a ton of animatronics as a finale. But they did it. They nailed that. With good humans, besides, Tiana,

good humans. Good human animatronics. Their new animatronics their new animatronics not the frozen ones from 10 years ago uh no glowy faces i do think they didn't think hard enough about the lit like i think they put they're like okay good we got to nail this this is okay but the drop is really the the fun it's like not the drop it's the anticipation the drop is scarier if you the way that a pre-show affects the ride itself. Right.

The buildup to the drop affects the drop. So. Man, I know. But it's like a step below because of the fear factor. I mean, I think a lot of people agree on this. Yes, I don't think that's a controversial opinion. It's a swing, but I think a miss. We're six months late to this opinion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. But yes. And it's also not an opinion that makes me say, don't go on the ride. No, go on. Why did they do this? They must bring back Mr. Trump. I demand that you. I mean, that will happen.

Elon will petition, and they will go back to Splash Mountain. But I'm not in support of that. I like what they did here. Yeah. It's just, you just wish that you could come out raving. And it's not a rave. I mean, I went, I was like really itching to go on it again. And I've kept watching ride throughs.

It stuck with me. I think about being in the small zone. It was like, yeah, the overall like tone that you're left with i think is is victorious i just and then thank god the ending because that's like the final taste in your mouth right because if it was if it ended with that drop it'd be like what yeah i know and i am looking for i mean the only reason i have gotten down there is because cooler weather weather makes me so stiff and also going to dizzily with a scooter or wheelchair as I'm sure people know is a lot more work and a lot

more planning and it just oh boy there's stuff coming out too yeah yeah yeah and hey you should get down there we recommend it to you I think you'll be thinking it is overall I'm sure I'll love it

yeah boy you wish it's a weird but isn't it also the thing that you could have seen if I think you'll be thinking, it is overall. I'm sure I'll love it. It's just. Yeah, boy, you wish. It's a weird. But isn't it also the thing that you could have seen? Is there any version where this works? What do you mean? Where it is not a scary drop. It's a celebratory drop. I think that light show has to be way, way better. I think you got to be.

It has to be psychedelic in that whole. If you change the lighting package or whatever you call it, change the lighting, change the music, make it louder, I think maybe you could change it to have the frog scenes spookier. It wouldn't be as successful as making that lift till scary. Wait, something should try to get you. Sure. Yes, all you do, you get small, as successful as making that lift till scary. I feel like it needs to be scary. Well, wait, something should try to get you. Sure. Yes.

All you do, you get small, and then you have fun with frogs playing leaf drums. Yeah. But there's never anything where a big animal now can eat you. That would be cool. Right, because at the very least, that could be a tonal change there. Yes, and then it becomes like, I got to save you.

There's this urgency to Mama Odie. Yeah. But even like- Even if it's just like, oh, he's old. He's blind urgency to Mama Odie. Yeah. But even like- Even if it's just like, oh, he's old, he's blind as a bat. Sorry about that. Like the big animal tries to get you and then someone goes like,

oh, he's a sweetheart. Oh, you're saying getting rid of the danger. He just spooked him. He didn't know what you were. That's interesting. Even like just like a fun, like maybe it's's completely pitch black, and they do something like screens opening up,

and just a little bit of dark, some element that's still like, oh my gosh, fun, I'm so excited to do it. When you compare it to, think about this comparison. Splash Mountain to Tiana, the drop, versus Jurassic Park to Jurassic World, the drop, where they added dinosaurs. Yes dinosaurs it's scarier now and now this is like it's in it ready get your get your yeah get your party streamers out well that's that's a thing that's a thing where you like with Jurassic

world's drop you can make the argument that that whole section is a little less scary because it's not in the dark anymore but there's a ton of new robots there's two giant dinosaurs t-rex still comes out of the wall and raptor heads raptor ain't nothing and rap right yes so you could at least argue like well maybe you don't get that complete crazy jump scare of t-rex at the end of the ride. But there's so much cool stuff to see on Jurassic World that at least it's different and better in a different way. Did something surprise you or something? Right. Here's something we haven't mentioned. On the lift hill, the fireflies, the projection, the footage of the fireflies going by and they get kind of warped in the glass bottle.

Oh, yeah. Cover the tunnel in fireflies. Sure. That's really fun. Or make it like it's this really magical lift hill. There's this weird sereneness or nice magic quality to it. Like the lift hill on the Maelstrom. Sure.

You're hypnotized by that light and that that scary face and stuff yeah yeah that's like i mean it's scary but there's an odd serenity like you're just kind of like yeah yeah it's hypnotic right that's that that's what i thought from the concept art that that light was going to be that it would just kind of like you know that'd be like a mini uh um uh like the avalanche thing in universal you know what i mean oh yeah maybe you're just i'm caught in this tunnel and they're just blasting me with stuff. What if there was mist at the end or something?

So then maybe you don't know until you go through that. Oh my God, now I'm peering down the, I'm looking at the edge of a gosh darn salt mine. Sure, yeah. Well, the other thing is operationally, the way Disney sometimes operates operates water rides nowadays those logs are going up nearly back to back they're spaced out enough to be safe but you see all of them which is fine

but you're starting and you're stopping you're heartbreaking this is worse on pirates that pirates of caribbean awful at this um but it's like well that takes away a little of whatever story they're trying to tell it that little yeah yeah yeah it decreases like tension and stuff why don't they use the salt there's oh there's a there's a darn salt avalanche the salt the salt's shaking everywhere we gotta get you out of here tongue in your mouth unless you love salt. Can they make, like, let's use, I don't think they even say salt mine.

I don't think so, yeah. The answer is salt avalanche. Yeah, I think so. I thought it was just background information. I didn't realize that's what the top of this was supposed to be, the salt dome. I guess so, yeah. You're at the peak of the salt dome.

Imagine what could go crazy. If you were a miner in the salt dome. To guess so, yeah. You're at the peak of the salt dome. Imagine what could go crazy. If you were a miner in a salt dome, you're trying to carve out that tunnel. The likelihood of salt avalanches is extremely strong. Extremely strong. Mm-hmm. And then you get in your eyes, you can't see it.

There should be a thin mist that Mama Odie tells you is actually micro-salt. So watch your eyes. Yeah, be careful. What do you guys think the abbreviation of this Odie tells you is actually micro salt. So watch your eyes. Yeah, be careful. What do you guys think the abbreviation of this will be by guest? Because Splash Mountain, it's like, you want to go on Splash?

Do you want to go on Splash Mountain? Tiana. Will people just, yeah, I feel like it's called Tiana's. Or it'll be called Splash Mountain. Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Are people just going to say Tiana's or just keep saying splash mountain i don't think i'm gonna overhear a lot of families go like do you want to go down and ride tiana's bayou adventure like it's just one

of those long modern names but i had family out here visiting once and i said like oh we're at tiana's palace and they're like listen everywhere i look there are signs that say tiana's i need you to be more specific because at the time it was still under construction and they were coming from galaxy's edge yeah uh and so there were signs for it everywhere and i'm like oh i did not think about this well I mean people if they had if they had nailed the ending and then the right ending everybody would say what so what do you let's see let's do Haunted Mansion and then you want to hit Salt Avalanche

yeah they just couldn't get the Tabasco they try to get the Tabasco license and they just couldn't Tabasco folks don't play ball. Yeah. You guys ever thought about that Nabisco is a shortening of, that that's like

a, I think, am I right about that? I don't know. I say it just because it's a similar word. Nabisco is means National Biscuit Company. I thought about Nabisco my whole life. My buddy Andy Maxwell I'm working with

put a light on that. I was like, never thought about. Nabisco's just a word to me. So when you've been saying Tabasco, I've been tripping out like, oh yeah, what's Tabasco short for again? Nothing. It's not that. It's Nabisco. Wow. File that away. I think that shows up

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they started ponying up oh wow buddy so it's like Buddy. So it's a non-comedic drunk history. Yeah, that is exactly what's going on. Wow, wow, interesting. It's very melodramatic, but it's like Campbell's canned soup is never going to work. Wow, that sounds good. It is good. It's great hotel TV. It's perfect hotel TV It's perfect hotel TV

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That would capture The imagination of the nation The Hines and Hershey episodes Are really intense Is that your birthday shot This year Oh I didn't even think About that

That's an idea You got time To think about it could be well this has been a useful episode we learned a lot of things oh yeah i'm up with a good episode idea any like parting oh what you look we can't go out i don't think without uh bringing up uh the this is you do have to take points away from the spate of uh broken animatronic that how often this thing seemingly shuts down and how often the animatronic i think maybe both times i went on it on the day that i went tiana was uh frozen as if seeing a ghost she heard the centerpiece of a big raucous celebration at

the end tiana was in a mode that i'm gonna call hostage tiana it's so creepy the way she is perfectly still and just eyes moving to where you want to ask are you okay is there a is there a pistol trained on you that we can't see there's no red dot on your forehead but i'm worried about you yeah no she just laid down roots in the most haunted city in america of course she's scared yeah she's trying to put on a brave face and perform but she's looking at a madison square garden size audience of ghosts she's like stealing herself where she's like i'm gonna have to take out marjorie post i'm gonna take out have to take out heinz campbell hers. Oh, yeah, that's right. Is that where Tiana goes? In the real Tiana timeline,

does she go from employee-owned co-op fund to disgusting international corporation that crushes the competition? The food hasn't tasted good for years. Tiana's sold out hard. Oh, no. She sold... Tiana's food is owned by Blackrock

now it's owned by Private Equity Oh no like Jersey Mike's or it's not her it's like terrible it's that fucking drummer kid stops fucking around on the drums and decides to make some god damn money and he destroys the spirit

that made Tiana's Foods what it was Here's one I learned from the show. You know, one of the post estates, a little property called Mar-a-Lago. Really? Yeah. Wait, what do you mean post estate? Like the post family owned it? The post family owned it, I believe.

Before Trump. Initially. Wow. Yeah, maybe built it. Interesting. Wow, wow. Well, that'll be your birthday show. So the post owned it. Yeah, Mar-a-L yeah, Mar-a-Lago, just as a place.

Oh, some of that bad food. Now he's throwing bad food parties. It's not great in Carter anymore. You see pictures of the food at Mar-a-Lago. It's nasty. I haven't seen pictures of the food at Mar-a-Lago. Oh, it's bad. Well, I'll have to look into it.

Yeah, yeah, no, it's the fartiest building in America. Well, that's true. That's no doubt about that. Boeing will be really apologetic. No, we're not taking sides. We are not saying we endorse the president, what he's doing. We are talking about it as a place, okay? It is a building, is it not?

Buildings aren't politicized, are they? We're talking about the railings, okay? Well, today was the start of our our move to the right our soft move to the right so because of the lift hill criticism but uh no yeah we'll eventually get to the defending our moral rights you know what i was gonna say about the animatronic so i'm heartened by the like obviously it's still a new ride so that there's a lot of problems usually with big new rides but the canon's working on rise of the resistance and then did you see that today or

something that was posted that there's a water leak effect that's been restored on the tower of terror in hollywood studios after 25 years there's a water dripping effect i don't even know about this i don't know if you can see that from here but there's this like water dripping effect that happens in the queue that's been restored after 25 years wow so i'm like what's going on what is this who's giving budgets to stuff so i'm like i wonder if like things are going to get fixed and maybe there's a renewed interest in like just keeping everything working and we'll see i don't know interesting i did see someone saying because epcot like the new epcot a lot of lighting's been played with

issues uh and someone's like oh yeah anytime something like that gets fixed it's like one guy yeah yes there's probably oh what you would think they probably keep firing the guy you know what there's also, I think, I forget who put this. There's the people that like look through the patents or like permits and stuff. I think there's some rumor

that they're going to fix the moving rooms in Indiana Jones because of some sort of permit. Whoa. Like those things will move again. So like stuff like that, I mean, maybe there's a big push to get everything working. I hope. They, I mean, maybe there's a big push to get everything working.

I hope. They're so little, but they're so big. They really, these things really do add up. And when you have parks that are, you know, where there's a long list of things like this. Yeah. I will say they should put at the top of the list forever fixing the animatronic of the star of their new ride. I would agree that should be a priority. I mean, I love my drips, but God, if there's any drips in Disneyland that we've been missing

out on, let's fix those drips. Fake drip final four. Fake drips. I don't know. You're lucky if you get the four, I feel like, with that one. I don't know if this was a rumor or I don't remember my source here, but I'll just say it, uh, uh,

that the, some of the motion, like it's hard because the, the logs themselves trigger some of the motions on the robots. So that's just, that's different than just having everything kind of moving. Yeah. And that has been a problem maybe as far as running these.

It's fixing the sensors more than it's fixing. Certain sensor. Now maybe what she's just frozen in certain parts, but it's not a sensor issue. I don't know. But I'm just saying that maybe it's set up differently because everything's lit the same on, or was lit the same on Splash Mountain. So it just can be running indefinitely versus this has set show scenes that have to be triggered when a log goes by. I don't know if that's true or not. Got it.

But again. So we got to fix these sensors, and if it is in fact ghosts, we got to get a priest in there. You might have to have a priest in there, yeah. Get Lana Del Rey's new husband, the fan boat captain. Well, Jason, you and I have not discussed this off the air, but we both know about the fan boat captain that's now married to Lana Del Rey.

We both know about Lana Del Rey's new fan boat captain. She denied she was marrying this gentleman at first, but then they did get married. Yes. Fan boat captain where? Can we take his fan boat? Oh, well, hopefully she upgrades. I mean, maybe he likes doing it, so he's kept the job,

but I feel like Lana would be able to upgrade his lifestyle. Louisiana. Well, how about it? What? I forget his lifestyle. Louisiana. Well, how about it? What? Don't forget his name. Jeffrey Dufresne. Why, Jeffrey Dufresne runs the fan boats around here. Yeah.

Jeffrey Del Rey now, I think he would take her name. You're talking about Mr. Del Rey. Well, to me, he'll always be Jeffrey Dufresne. To appeal to the Trump White House, Disney has added a Jeffrey Dufresne animatronic. On his fire adventure. Yeah, on his fire adventure. This is relate.

We're kind of on topic because it's Louisiana, and he is a singer and alligator tour guide, first met back in 2019. You know, for all of the weird husbands and shit that you guys get obsessed with, that I can't follow you on, I do like fan boats. I do like, well, I guess airboat is what I, is a fan boat an airboat?

Mainly, you know, if I was shaky here, you had me at alligator tour. Yeah, yeah. He's particularly fascinating. I just want to, if he's still doing it, gotta go do his that's a that's a that's a ride yeah yeah wow uh we'll see you soon mr dufresne keep get you get your boat aired up for us jason and i have have fast food in common the marvel universe in common and jeffrey dufresne in common and we didn't even know it do you like lana del re or just Jeffrey Dufresne? I'm more of a Jeffrey Dufresne fan. If you had to choose one, and you shouldn't choose because they're a marriage and both have equal merit.

But no, I'm more Dufresne. I'm more of a Dufresne guy. I like that first album. I like the song from The Great Gatsby, but I really like fan boats. Yeah. I would like, you know, her music, you know you know for what it is is like stark and heavy and powerful if now she just is so in love with jeffrey dufresne that it becomes like go on to see the gators real fun time climbing onto his airboat yeah that's so glad he's man

billy nonsense type music that would be good yeah she looks at clips of her old performances like what was i this is too moody yeah good take a take a chill pill old lana you could put one of her old songs on the lift hill on tiana's yeah that's kind of a spooky vibe you need something to like yeah just like phase you out yeah make you depressed like this is what you want for all rides lately is to for them to i do want to feel depressed on a ride you out spooky haunted dig a little deeper lana del rey sure that's that that sounds good to me uh all right well a lot accomplished here fake office final four jeff jeffrey jeremy dufresne jeremy i guess wait you've been saying jeffrey i had been i think i think i was misreading it the whole time well we obviously

didn't know his real name. Did I always say Jeffrey? I think you did. It is Jeremy, and I was staring at it and still saying Jeffrey. Well, I was saying Jeffrey once you said it. Well, look, we're learning together. We have learned that Jeffrey Dufresne is Jeremy Dufresne. I learned by reading more carefully. I'm a fan of Jeremy Dufresne, not Jeffrey Dufresne.

In case there's some real shitty Jeffrey Dufresne out there. Jeffrey Dufresne commits multiple child murder. No, we love Jeremy. We love Jeremy Dufresne, and you survive Podcast The Ride. If you want to dig a little deeper. There's a bad guy with that name. What's that? There's a bad guy with that name. Oh, no. Jeffrey Dufresne. I don't want to dig a little deeper. There's a bad guy with that name. What's that? There's a bad guy with that name.

Oh, no. Jeffrey Dufresne. Everybody's going to pull quote us as that we're right wing because we didn't like one part of the ride. And then they're going to take the host who went on to say, to speak of their adoring fandom of Jeffrey Dufresne. No, stop saying that. Is it so bad you can't say it?

I don't know, it's confusing. I don't want to read the article. It seems depressing. Yeah, no, no, no, let's not. Jeffrey Dufresne Epstein, the New York financier? Jeffrey Dufresne, you have no place on this podcast. Jeremy Dufresne, we're going to talk about you pretty much every episode from now on.

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