Podcast: The Ride - Titanic: A Voyage Through Time with Marisa Pinson and Jon Glover

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

Put on some clunky VR headsets! Marisa Pinson and Jon Glover (On Brand Podcast) take Mike and Scott to a virtual reality Titanic thing. Hear their tales of being lectured by dead-eyed Playstation 2-looking characters, or how they awkwardly tried to use a Titanic toilet.  "⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Michael Meets Eisner⁠⁠⁠⁠" episode is up at: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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deep ocean itself, the Beverly Center, with the intrepid hosts of on-brand John Glover and Marissa Pinson. It's the VR experience Titanic, a voyage through time, on Podcast The Ride, where the time it took for Titanic to sink, 2 hours and 40 minutes, will also be the runtime for our episode about Disneyland napkin dispensers I'm Scott Gardner. There's Mike Carlson. Yeah, I'm here and I do have Thoughts, I mean, I guess we would have to do a full day. They're investigating everything. Well, that's the other thing Is like do we is it do we have to go try each one ourselves or is that wasteful if we do that? We can't we have to do that But it's but if we like I don that wasteful if we do that? Do we get canceled if we do that?

But if we like, I don't know, maybe if we leave coins every time we do it, so we feel like we're paying Disney back for the- Our carbon footprint, we're offsetting it by giving money back to Disney, yes. Oh, okay. That should do it, right? Yeah, that should do it.

I think there's gotta be a way to do it. I mean, all the napkins probably are the same everywhere in the resort. Well, we don't know though. I think we'll find a lot of micro differences. Well, there's probably difference in the the napkins probably are the same everywhere in the resort. Well, we don't know though We're gonna I think I think we'll find a lot of micro differences Well, there's probably difference in the cloth napkins at the hotel restaurants. Oh, sir That's the difference and that's something that we really have to investigate Well, I was and you know, Jason Sheridan is not with us today

But I was thinking how if this came up what he might say is something like now we were a dispensers at the table family Right. We didn't like having to get the napkins at the counter because you feel pressure there, a line starts forming. So we all, with the Sheridans, we always wanted them at the table because then you get however many you want. You customize your amount based on how much food you've eaten and how much mess you've made.

And he would also say, you know, we were a take the napkin and stuff it in the top of your shirt family, like a cartoon character eating a feast. That's just what we did. We were a big tongue napkin and stuff it in the top of your shirt family like a cartoon character eating a feast We were we did we were a big tongue Lapping out of our mouth like a hungry dog like a hungry civilized dog family our eyes would bulge out before we'd eat That's just the way we did it on the East Coast You know well you saw at this rate you can see why it's gonna take two hour forty, but but that so all right That'll come we got that's the quickest path does actually doing that episode

But but you know and and I think maybe that would be good to do because I think we are I certainly at this point Have the taste for experiential content after what we've done here Oh, yeah, and what we're gonna talk about and revisit, and I'm so excited about this This has all been a lot of fun if you live in Los Angeles or in Rome or in Melbourne Australia or in Alicante which I looked up is in Spain Wow These are the cities that are currently host to a an exhibit you may have seen a billboard for this in Los Angeles Or maybe you haven't I don't think I had the point is these are the cities on the globe

I believe Abu Dhabi as well, where there is currently an experience, a touring exhibit called Titanic Voyage Through Time, which uses the magic of virtual reality to transport you to a watery grave. You get to go to Titanic, and we'll talk about everything about it, but basically a VR Titanic experience. And I had not heard about this, and I'm so happy it was brought to the table by our great guests today who did this with us last week, and we're here to recap it now. They're the hosts of the podcast

On Brand with John and Marissa. It's John Glover and Marissa Pinson. Hey guys. Oh hey. Hi. So much for having us. Absolutely. Thank you for doing this experience.

Yeah, yeah, oh for sure. I mean, this is a dream kind of thing to get pitched is like the thing that we all go do to get out in the world, to not just live in nostalgia of some 3D movie that hasn't been anywhere in 37 years. They have to go figure out what is this thing. To live on the cutting edge of themed entertainment. Exactly, and we got to go to a mall,

we got to get in the Cy-Bowl, we had a great day. That's true, yeah. We have a running thing on our show where we kind of base everything that happens in the world on the timeline of Titanic. So we'll be like, okay, so we're 37 years after the sinking of Titanic, we're 18 years before the film Titanic came out.

So to actually be able to feel like I now have lived the Titanic is a really, really special experience. So that's be able to feel like I now have lived the Titanic is a really really special experience. So that's kind of what this is about. Okay, yeah, it's been a runner, but now but you didn't feel like you knew it like you'd inhabited the space. Not like I do now. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so you have Google alerts for Titanic based experience like things. Now, where did you find out about this? I mean, I just I research everything and go down rabbit holes. I don't have yeah it did not come up I don't have any sort of google alerts on it. I

probably came up in TikTok. I probably searched enough TikTok stuff that I just got ads for it. Algorithm Titanic. And then it's been a while since we've gotten some new Titanic news you know with the submersible obviously was the last one. Actually the new pictures that they just took there is like Titanic news in the last month Oh, they've now taken like the most in-depth scan they've ever taken of it before so people are really losing their minds over Oh, is that true? Wow? Wow? Titanic somehow always is able to stay in the news That's true. There's not that there's not too big of stretches without something or other. Yes with that insane story a couple years ago I'm a big enough nerd.

I went and saw Titanic on, I think, April 15th, like on the 100th anniversary of the sinking. I watched the film of it sinking. Wow, really? I love Titanic. Were there a lot of Titanic heads there? This is a nerddom that has not come up in a show with a lot of years of niche nerddom.

Titanic nerddom. There's Titanic Con, there's all these events. I always dress up as the old lady for Halloween. Sure. To my bed and toss the little thing under my carpet. My question was if in a mass screening of Titanic nerds, do you walk in and does everybody like tilt their big burgundy hats up like Kate Winslet is in the entire room. It's like Rocky Horror.

There's like the things that cause everybody to shout, hoot and holler, you know? You see everything. Someone's wearing a door. There's like an old couple spooning. Whoever's sitting in the front row has to hold each other's waist. Like we've all got our roles when we go see it.

Actually, when I went to see it on my 100th anniversary, I think I was maybe one of two people there. Really? Because I think they did it at the time it sank, so it was really late at night. It was like three in the morning or something ridiculous like that, so it was me and just a guy. Started at the time it sank or synced up to be in that,

on New Year's Eve, if you start this movie at this time. It was syncing at the actual time it was syncing? That's a wonderful idea. I would like to think it's synced in real time. If it didn't, it was a fail. Wow, that's really cool. That's really cool. Yeah, it was really cool.

It was in Glendale. Wow, okay. It's fascinating, yes, to hear about this. I guess I had this question too, because there's this whole other thing that I think has never come up on the show, despite the cities that we that we revisit a lot like like a you know Vegas or Myrtle Beach or I want to say Orlando definitely I saw it in Orlando one of these last couple visits there are these things that are called like Titanic the experience yeah everywhere has these and

we've never discussed it and not to put you on the spot if you don't know what this is But do you know what this is? Have you ever do any of us know but it's confusing to me because it's in so many cities Yeah, so what could possibly be in there that isn't like being broken apart for parts? You know there's only so many Titanic remnants. You know what I mean? Maybe it's our replicas. Yeah, I say, just to get into where we went very quickly, I'm sure we'll come back to it, but the replicas, they weren't even actually replicas,

but in the lobby they kinda try to make it feel that you're on Titanic, but it's just like, restore books and like, I don't know if you do pictures, but there was these weird mannequins that had VR glasses on, it was a whole thing. When you, John worked for James Cameron, did you see a replica of Titanic? Cuz I know he has that. Oh So I worked for James Cameron on avatars two and three for like two and a half years my If I'm not freaking out it's because I already got a preview this last week

So they know that I'm blue people were curious why your response was so tepid, so I'm glad you cleared it. It was a little muted for me. Did you hear that, Riley? This is a both way of water and fire and ash? Fire and ash? Fire and ash, yeah. We've done an Avatar month.

We did an Avatar. We did, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I sat in this very chair, blue-painted as a hobby. The boys are sweating and trembling. They're trying to play it really cool, but they really want a lot of deep Avatar lore. Yes, I know. That's how the Doughboys were too.

They're like, we're huge fans of Avatar, and I'm like, you are? They're like, we love Piacon, and I was like, you know? Yeah. I did a song about Piacon, and there's a list. I guess all the podcasters love Piacon. Oh, I should have brought it. I have a couple things I could show you guys some time.

Oh, man. I like that. Yeah, so on the studio, we worked at Manhattan Beach Studios, which is a small little studio. It's basically Avatar Mandalorian and America's Funniest Home Videos So like on Fridays you would just see all these people look like they were dressed for prom in a long line waiting to go Do America's Funniest Home Videos and then make you dress up

It's the funniest live audience. Have you do watch it? It's A of A is what it's called. We we watch AFV pretty much nightly in our house, streaming on Disney Plus, Alfonso Ribera was a fantastic showman. But the live audience there, they briefly went on Zoom for COVID, but they're back to live audience. It is people in cocktail attire,

it's like what you'd wear if you went to the Magic Castle, they probably have a no jeans policy. And they're sitting at like, they're sitting at like bar top tables, watching the clips live on a big TV and Alfonso's kind of working the room and doing a little like, making the rounds, he's giving high fives before they go out

to commercial breaks, it's a very, it's a scene, man. It's from another time. They're just standing in the sun. They're just boiling in the sun in their evening. Boiling in the sun. Jeez, but for the ultimate on, Hollywood's ultimate nightclub.

Right next door is Pedro Pascal as the Mandalorian. So when that was there, when Mandalorian was there, it hadn't come out yet. So we had no, I don't know if you're Star Wars fans, but like I loved Mandalorian. But it was kind of crazy. We knew something Star Wars was shooting there. And literally it was like, I think we were stage 17,

they were 18. The two doors were five inches apart. And I would just stand outside and I was like, that's Star Wars and that like these two doors are like $500 billion being created right now. It was like that's Star Wars and that like these two doors are like 500 billion dollars being created right now. It was such and I was like how the Freak and I hear also a similar budget Yeah, I know, no small

He's like, do you know where the bathroom is? I'm like Alfonso, it's right there His tie budget might be pretty high. He got some pretty dynamic ties That was the other thing that they shot there These are all Was that just a shot there or is that a bigger, does that require more space? It was shot there. Wow, wow.

They had several stages. Oh my god. The tank was the one that was next to me on the way. Geez, this is where the magic happened. You ever take a dip in the tank on a hot day? Babe, the tank is like 700 feet. No, but it was very cool to watch. And I would give, so I was Jim's researcher,

so I would give him research. And one time he's like, I need schools of fish research for the tank. And I was like, ah, and I had to like put it together and cut it really fast and run it over there. But then I'll watch them shoot and it's like, Sigourney and like people are in the tank and on the screens is like the research I gave them

of like fish. He's like, so does this look cool? And I'm like, yeah, Jane Farris. Yeah, channel this. Channel this fish Sigourney with your performance. This is in your periphery. It was a surreal experience but to get to your question we had a museum on the studio and it had like you would go in and it would have like Terminator like Terminator things it had in from Avatar 1 those giant suits that they would wear. There was one of those in there. And there was a giant replica of Titanic

and the car with the handprint smear going down. Really? That's there. I mean, little things like that. On a Friday, I'm going to go over to the museum and just look at these cool things. Oh my god. It was pretty neat.

Were you allowed to take pictures or was it a note? I drove the car around, but they don't know that. Beep beep. Beep beep. Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep sleep asleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep sleep How does the handprint stay there? It's just dust or maybe some sort of like spray that they put on it. Maybe they did it for the museum. Oh yeah, maybe. They didn't make them actually steam it.

It has to be maybe steam live every day. You fool, it's movie magic. I don't know, I just want to know what high peak behind the curtain, sorry. The model itself was cool. I wish everyone could see that. Because it was just, I don't know how big, 10, 15 feet, but it's so detailed.

I mean, obviously, anything he has is so. Used in it, like used as a pre-wreckage. I don't know what that model was used for. I feel like they did use some like miniature models for it. Oh, they used tons of things. I was watching it once with one of the IT guys, and like there's a scene where like water's rushing into a window of Titanic.

He's like, oh, we shot that in Jim's swimming pool. And I was like. What? Oh my God. I love stuff, oh, we shot that in Jim's swimming pool. And I was like, what? Oh my god. I love stuff like that. Wow, that is awesome. Oh man, cool. Because he's so hands-on, because he knows how to do everything better than.

I'm amazed that, basically, you are, though, describing a story where you taught James Cameron how to do something, which seems like the rarest thing. He doesn't see. He seems like he's coming in like, I am an expert in all fields that I will be addressing in every film It was he would compliment me a couple of times like he looked at something on my screen He's like, oh, that's a bubble button. I was like actually it's a plumb of a lot. He's like this guy. He's good

Couple moments like that. I'm like hot but then I you know, sometimes weren't as fun Did he beat you for correcting? Not at all. I mean, it was all in all a very lovely experience. It seemed like he kind of cooled off, because he does have a reputation for being a hothead. Yeah, I think he's, I mean, that was years ago, and he's vegan now, but most of my... I was wondering, I haven't told what was in my head

is did the veganism somehow chill him out. Did he have mad cow, and then he kind of, he worked through his system. All through the shooting of Psyched Terrier. It makes you mad. Yes, the cow's anger gets into your brain. John would be so mad.

He'd be like, oh, we're having a big buffet lunch today. He'd be like, it's all vegan. It's like mushroom sliders. We get it. You can make it taste like jackfruit with barbecue sauce on it. Didn't you guys have like a little secret meat club? We did. It was called The Resistance.

Oh my god, what if he listens to this? Oh no. So it would be like, The Resistance is behind stage eight. And it would be like barbecue and Chick-fil-A, which I'm not a fan of, but they got it. Oh god. Oh, sure. But yeah, so we had a meat resistance. That is really funny.

Is this a dangerous thing to have, the meat resistance? Is this like, is this how he finds out about it, but also is this how James starts listening to our podcast? Because we love the franchise, James. Pay attention to that. If you ever heard us, we talk about Titanic in every episode, he's like, what the hell are they doing? I will say, like, as far as his research,

and I mean, I don't have to talk about him so much, but I haven't talked about him so long. What was interesting, like, he would ask me to do research on whales or whatever, and I would do it thinking like, oh, he's gonna like this and this and this, and then we'd like watch it in like a group, and he'd be like, okay, so when that whale breaches,

you can see it can't go more than like 27 degrees backwards, and I'm like, that's not what I was paying attention to, but he's like, so when you guys do this stuff, PyCon cannot go farther than 27 degrees. Like everything has to make sense here, or it won't make sense there. And I thought that was very cool. It is true when you watch it, it definitely is not like,

made up. Well, like, just like crazy CGI, gloopy nonsense, even which even would you feel like you would forgive it being that a little, cause it's in space, and it's aliens even would you feel like you would forgive it being that a little because it's in space Aliens and stuff, but then you was you appreciate that. It's you know committed to and real rounded somewhat Yeah, yeah, one of the first things he ever asked me for he was running to stage He's like hey, can you find me footage of a baby? When it sees its father and realizes that its parent for the first time And I'm like, got it!

What? How do you find that? You just look at a million pieces of footage of babies in their parents' arm and cut it together and be like, this is it. Wow, you were like hacking into people's like Google image drives to see like family photos, yeah. Things only sent to grandma and grandpa.

Sure, sure. Yeah. Wow, that's a heavy. Wow, this was all pod exclusive for you guys. Wow, this was good. Much appreciated. My God, no. This was great.

I was just wondering, like, when you saw, I'm assuming it's for the part, you know, the family part of Avatar. When you saw it, did you go, oh, that's the footage I filed? So that's the thing. So working on something, I feel like this is supposed to be about Titanic,

but now we're just talking about this. But James Cameron is part of the Titanic conversation. So I come from a documentary world. So I'm usually working with like five people for like a year on a documentary. I do not know how I got this job. They called me. They said that if they need a researcher,

they should call me. I was like, I don't know who told you that. They did not remember. So I never know how I got the job here. Wow. And there would be times where I felt so. It was the ghost of Rose. So.

Her name was Rose something? I don't know. Anyway, she said, you're the man for the job. Old lady, no necklace. No necklace. Why would you know she had a necklace? She disappeared into a misty ether. I know.

Like a sunburned heart on her throat. No necklace. Why would you know she had a necklace? She disappeared into a misty ether. Necklaces? Like a sunburned heart on her throat. Or perhaps a necklace once was. You can sense the neck weight of a heavy necklace. There would definitely be days where I would look around and like there's like people in mo-cap. There's dots all over.

We had one stage that was just like giant indigenous instruments and huge drums and all this stuff and Sigourney Weaver running around and horses running through the stages and I'd be like what am I doing here? I'm like here's some footage of a baby giggling. And then like when I saw the movie it was that. Like throughout the whole movie I was like I remember giving them that flamethrower stuff or this or that and I was like I am a part of this.

I got emotional. I'm a part of this. I got emotional. I'm a part of this group. As a researcher, it felt very freaking cool. And John Landau, who was his partner forever, who passed away last year, I remember he came up to me at the screening, and he's like, you saw your stuff in there?

And I was like, I did, John, I did. It was really cool. Wow, that's really nice. And that's all with him, and he's gone now? Oh my God. I hate that he's gone. I hate that he's gone. That's so sad. I know, they were together forever. Wow, that's really nice. I'm not done with him and he's gone now? Oh my god. I hate that he's gone. I hate that he's gone. Yeah.

That's so sad. I know. They were together forever. Wow, wow. He did Titanic. The two of them did Titanic. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. You also, by the way, you got emotional at that, and then the baby thing I've said before on the show, the first that I ever cried at a movie because I'm a dad now was the... Well, I don't know I don't even remember the exact somewhere in the like because we had a lot of talk about like they sell these creepy Navi babies and I'm like I was wondering am I gonna be supremely creeped out by these babies and then instead I'm in the theater and for the first time at any movie I'm crying at that. I am a dad now because of Jake Sully looking at his firstborn

Yeah, that's you so now I'm like this there's some DNA where that's you Bonded to your child if not for that moment, it's possible. It's all been different for that moment, it's possible. It's all of a different thing you realized. It's possible that you've loved a child. I remember Michael Cassidy saying that. I don't know if you're friends with him. Yeah, yeah. When he saw, after he had a child,

he saw Wonder Woman for the first time when she's a little girl running around and he's like, he's like, I get it now. I was like, this isn't even sad. The power of cinema, boy, yes. To reflect your own experience back to you. To reflect your own experience, yeah. Yeah, yeah. for sure I maybe the

common thing here in a way is like I mean that's that's a very what's the word just kind of like a sense like you helped create a vulnerable experience for me and this whole what we all did together was also a vulnerable experience for me I feel just due to the state that it left me in as we were sort of deep into it I don't know if it was that way for everybody. I just remember being shaky thinking about the band. Now I'm remembering being shaky at the thing. There was quite a decompression period.

Yeah, we needed it. We kinda had the bends almost coming back. That's a great way to put it. That's the best way. That summarizes how I've been feeling for the last week for sure. I was like, mm. Maybe you do, well, we'll compare contrast about how much of a VR pro I am.

I understand what you're going through and I'm just trying to you know. They should have had like a silver blanket they could have wrapped us in like an ambulance like we had to split through something deeply traumatic. I need a cool compress, I need a silver blanket, I need a cy-bowl, as I said, we needed a lot of nurturing after that. I think we need to do experience each decade to get us back to this one.

Uh-huh, okay. It was too big of a jump in the timeline. It's like going off of an antidepressant too quickly. You gotta wean yourself off of it. Exactly. We had quick moments in the 20s, 30s, 40s. You wanted to see like hippies, disco, shot hop, woodstock, we're no fortunate.

We're fortunate. Right. That's basically the fortunate part of Vietnam. Do you think that would have like eased the decompression a little bit more? Exactly. Do you think that was our problem is that we got a little like a decade whiplash? We got like it was a century whiplash. Okay.

Well, because we did get eased in, you do get eased into the experience in modern times although is it I don't know if it's modern or the future because they have Technology that's far beyond what we're I guess that it was the future then Now I guess before we before we talk about the the experience which I'm so glad you illuminated for us This is through this is through this good this company called is it fever? It's not fever up is it Fever? Fever. It's not Fever Up, is it? That's something else. I don't think so. I wonder what a feverup.com is the web address, but fever.

Sure, fever.com is a porno site, probably. So they had to add on a little something else. I'm kind of curious now. Your motto is Fever. Ruling to and, you are correct. I am looking at, I am looking at Dougie Style in action. Your temperature will be 101.9 when you're done watching these. Scott's never been on this website before.

Oh no, I did not have fever.com saved. I didn't know that in advance that it reroutes you to phonesex.us. So if you want the content, just go straight to phonesex.us. Skip the redirect. Wait, wait, is it actually phones? Like are people still calling a phone for a sex line?

Yeah, you go to the website and it gives you a phone number. That you call on your rotary phone. It seems archaic is all I'm saying. But then you can do kind of that minute charging and that's a good way to like ramp up costs for, you know, it's the same way that like, you know, like older people are more likely to keep up cable. Maybe older people are more likely to still do phone sex.

It's for old perverts. It's for old creeps. Am I the only one that went through a phone sex phase? I've never called a phone sex phase. When was it is the question. It was quite a while ago. And it was free. Yeah you had a really rare, you're the only person I know who ever did party lines. I don't think this was a party line. This was one-on-one phone sex. It zoops you with somebody, right? Yeah. I think that counts as a party line. It just zoops you.

Yeah. It does a little breakout really. It was like being on a dating site. If your voice wasn't cool enough, it'd beep you away super fast. So I'd be like, hello. That's not true. And they'd be like, hang on. This guy sounds pretty fucking hot.

Yeah, I'm straight. Oh, you're straight, you're just kind of curious about what this gay party line's all about. And then I giggle and they're like, beep. They hear Titanic playing in the background. Well, is that Celine? Was there a fun, what was it, was it a 1-800 number? No, it was like a Las Vegas number.

It was like a 7-7-2 number. Oh really? Yeah. Wow. Where the laws are more lax. That's why they did crank yankers from there. This was like wild, wild west of like, yeah, of. Can we call it?

I have a bad habit of keeping bills and in 2014, I did a de-hoarding of my filing cabinet and I looked, I still had phone bills going back decades, two decades. And I could not believe, I saw that phone sex number probably 10,000 times on my phone. Wow. I was like, Jesus, John. And then one day I just never called again. And it's like that, to hear that about, you guys will go through this one day,

you'll hold your child for the last time. Like one day I called that porn line for the last time. That's a part of life, the separation. Yeah, yeah, it just happens at some point. Sure, those boys became men, and they That's a part of life, the separation. Yeah, yeah, it just happens at some point. Sure, those boys became men and they had to move on. They probably died. Who knows what happened to them.

Wow. Transition to the computer. That is wild. They're on this website. I've gone through, in LA, I went through all the phases of hooking up. I went through cruising in Griffith Park to Griffith Park Boulevard to AOL chat rooms, to all the apps, to Grindr. I went through it all.ith Park to Griffith Park Boulevard, to AOL chat rooms, to all the apps to Grindr, I went through it all. Where's the Griffith Park?

That used to be the drag on Griffith Park. Do you know the area from Gelson's down to like Highland? That one strip, it got so bad. Applicable to the show by the original Disney Studios. Disney Studios, where Snow White was animated, became a hookup. My word, Walt would be spinning in his were. Where Snow White was animated, became a hookup. It's not. My word.

Walt would be spinning in his grave. But he's spinning about everything anyway. If you look at an old black and white photo of that time, you see John on his knees in the bushes in the background. OK. I mean, it's not impossible. You were offended, and then you thought for a second. I mean, it may have got to one.

The best part is that this was in 1935. Well, I remember, I mean, that cruising area was going on when I first moved here. And I was from Ohio and I was like, what is happening? Like all these guys are here every Friday and Saturday night. I remember being so nervous. And I like finally got the courage to talk to a guy and I was like, so, I was like, are you guys like hooking up? And he's like not looking at me or wanting to talk to me.

I was like, so is this like free? He's like no you gotta pay us 40 bucks They finally cleared them all out and put up official no cruising signs for like three years on growth Parkway You weren't allowed to cross the same spot twice in like six hours. That is so funny. So if you go to Vons, you just have to stay there for the day.

I've seen like no cruising signs. I thought that was for like 1950s like greasers. I didn't know that was for like, for gay guys trying to get a little love. You're welcome. A little gay love. There must have been a hell of a time in the city when the signs went away.

Yeah, I know. When did those come down? When would they find like, the queers are good. They weren't there last time. Was it done quietly or was it a ceremony? Was it the Berlin Wall? We spent on these signs. Everyone's got a little piece of the sign.

Yeah, you have a piece of the sign, yeah. I got to see. This makes so much sense now because I've told this story before on the show that we used to live right there. And you know, it's this grocery store and there's like, it's changed names, there's tons of bars over there.

And there's one place that we were trying, we were looking for a place to go and it was a weekend and it was like midnight and everything was closed except this one place that we had never been to. And we're like, oh, let's just go over there. And someone was like, oh, it's a gay bar. And I go, great, let's go.

We went and it was a foam party going on on this street, which is so quiet. Yeah. I could oh, it's a gay bar. And I go, great, let's go. We went in and there was a foam party going on on the street, which is so quiet. I could not, it was- There was like three different sex, there was a sex club. It was wild. I was there and then they got, it changed hands or whatever. But we like hung out for a little bit,

but people were mad that we weren't in the foam party. Cause I was like, I'm not dressed for this guys. I'm not. People were mad. I'm wearing sweat and shoes. But they were like, what are you doing? You're not in the foam. And I was like, I didn't know.

There's a foam party going on. How are you supposed to be dressed for a foam party? Wouldn't you just not be dressed? Underwear, yeah. Or bathing suits. Something washable. You could get in. You're like, I'm not dressed.

They're like, take off your clothes. I mean, they were right. I could do it. But we were the group of people and we don't have to agree. So we just sort of hung out in a corner of it. That's interesting. You don't want to be a buzzkill. That's like being at a nude beach with your clothes on. You're just a looky-loo. Well, we were being a buzzkill. Yeah, I realize now. Yeah. Yeah. Is that so shut down because of you guys after that night They went that was it. We killed the spirit of the place

We have a whole area used to be it used to be a scene man. It was great Yeah, well, then it would close and I feel like that was maybe the last part of it. Yeah, it's all gone. Even the video store had like the beaded room that you could go back to, which was super exciting. Huh, oh fun. Interesting. That's something nobody gets anymore.

Times have changed. The sound of the store. The video store. That's why I feel like. Everything I just said. That in general, but yes. But yeah, the weird little secret room. Yeah, you could just go to fever.com

and your beaded room is on your lap. I've said this before, this might be completely invented because it amuses me, but I swear to God, there was a wall of foam and Jason Sheridan just walked through it and I go, we'll never see him again. He's gone forever. He's gone forever.

He never turns her head to foam. It's like platform nine and three quarters. Platform 60. Yeah, there's no gay bar here, sir. He's lost forever. It's like platform nine and three quarters There's no gay bar here sir It felt magical though it didn't feel magical Yeah, cuz like it was just the quietest Street. Yeah. No, well folks Michael here summer is also here And it's time to do all that fun summer stuff pools going outside

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Shop now at nofrills.ca. That's great. Well, I think before we talk about what our actual journey to the deep was like, I think really the journey may have been what happened before any of this actually transpired. Because this is, and I'm so happy we're doing this now, but this might be one of the longest in the making episodes

of Podcast the Ride ever, because we started, I went back and checked dates on things. We started the effort on this in late February. That's when the idea was hatched. Unreal. Yeah, insane. Yeah, and a lot of emails and a lot of coordination because it's like it's with you guys and then I'll check with you, Mike and Jason about dates and stuff.

And then like, but it finally, I forget, I don't think there was anything too headachy other than just like, well, let's find a date when everybody's available to do this thing. And by the way, I guess before I get into that, I don't know if we said that, you know, I don't know where this exhibit is happening in in Rome or in Abu Dhabi, but here in Los Angeles, it's at the Beverly Center. It's at the Beverly Center's burgeoning themed events district. Now, if you've been listening to the show a lot in the last, how many, I don't know, I guess seven, eight months, then you might remember, uh, the Beverly center from the other thing that we went to, uh, uh, with Nick Weiger and Eva Anderson, the, uh, Santa's secret. That was a second gate thing.

It was a Patreon thing. The Christmas burlesque show. The naughty Christmas show that we saw. The naughty Christmas show. Uh, which is, was there ever, speaking of foam parties, was there, was there Patreon thing the Christmas burlesque show the naughty Which is so was there ever speaking of foam parties was there was there foam at that was there I was no fall bubbles and stuff, but not like a full foam wall or anything but it seems like that's that's that could be one of those because like You know we were comparing and contrasting the space of this with the space of where we did that thing and it is like It's an unbelievable. It's an infinite amount of space over there converted to

these events. You remember what they said that it was prior, don't you? Oh yes. They told us it was a Uni-Clo. The Uni-Clo. Yeah. Which is funny. And this is how deep I've gotten on because I got obsessed with figuring out

what was Santa's secret before, because that space went and went and went. And at some point I got out maps of what the Beverly Center used to be. And I had it pinned at one point to like, I think it was Uniqlo, I think it was the Uniqlo, there was a Uniqlo here in clothes, and I looked, all right, there's an article at clothes, but then I transposed the maps a little better

and realized, okay, food court, I think it's former food court. So when she said Uniqlo, I'm like, okay, great, I'm aware of the space, yeah, yeah, it makes sense to me. That lines up. You're like Nicolas Cage in National Treasure. You're just like piecing it all together.

We're that way with a lot of things, because there's all this stuff of like, we're like Avatar, we're like, okay, Avatar has been announced for California Adventure, but where is it gonna go? Okay, let's get out, how big is the Avatar experience in Florida? Google Earth, okay. And then we put that on top of the Google Earth

of California Adventure. All right, they're moving this, so that creates the room for that. Honey, it's time for bed But anyway, but this thing it would just it so it became like well It's like you think we know we had a couple things going on all right. Yeah, they're gonna be better if we do this in April We'll just put it off to April then April came we said all right. We're ready to do this Let's try to find some dates. I go to Fever up calm not fever calm. I went to fever calm and then 45 minutes later you went

Kind of zoned out for a little bit reset Spritzed myself and then But so April came and I and I looked and there were no dates available wild like, so wait a minute, okay, I assume this is the kind of thing you could just like grab. Okay, so it's gonna have to be May. It's not possible that this is a sold out event. Yeah, it didn't seem like it. Titanic is sold out?

Because I've seen tiny billboards for this, but otherwise I wasn't aware of it. Let's just say it's not on everybody's lips. No, no, I have not had a conversation, you've done Voyage Through Time yet? You've done Voyage Through Time yet? So, all right, well we got to book something in May and we said, okay, well let's avoid Mother's Day. Let's maybe do it like weekend after Mother's Day. So we set that five weeks in advance and we are ready for that and that will happen. And then the day comes,

it is Sunday, May 18th. We are booked for 2 p.m. And this has been set in stone for five weeks. We've worked up quite an appetite for Titanic at this point. Yeah, yeah, we're just enchanting. We're practicing our bathtub, just slowly sinking in. I'm dressed as like a little urchin, ready to go. Practicing waving, that's a big part of it, waving. Yeah, our arms were really sore from all the waving practice. We did wave. We did wave, yes. We did wave. That's a lot of it waving our arms were really sore

The first thing you got to do So then it's it's 105 and I am heading out the door because Beverly Center is kind of across town for all of us So like yeah left a good amount of time and I check my email for fever Just to find the tickets and instead what I find is an email that says urgent and with a little alarm emoji from fever and this came in no and no form unless I mean sometimes that's something inane like these prices are these won't last but in this case it was an email from 40 minutes, no not even, what?

25 minutes prior. So at 12, keep in mind our reservation is at 2 p.m. We're all separately going out the door from the disparate places that we live on the other side of town. I would love to see that, the four squares on the table. Oh sure, yes, it's very mission impossible. Like lift emoji.

Yes. To the Titanic. So with like. Follow that boat so we will with an hour 15 notice they have emailed me to say that due to unforeseen circumstances they are going to have to reschedule yeah our trip to Titanic but but that was I missed that email obviously and it's just an email They don't call so now like oh my god And then then there's the emergency of I don't have your numbers

So I got to think how to make sure that like we all don't go out the door and drive all the way across town in Order to only have to do this again another time. So thankfully a Good friend of the show and a good friend to everyone, Andrew Grissom, like, Andrew will do it and within five minutes he contacted you and we figured it out. You had all the jar. He was banging on my door in my house.

I'm gonna help, what do you need? Can I buy groceries too? The sweetest, the best. So he could, but we're all like, what do you mean? It was just canceled with no notice. What breaks my heart is that I imagine there was like a family of eight who also had the time slot at two and didn't get it together to get the notice and time

and they showed up and they had to have their hearts broken. Oh God. They flew in from Pennsylvania. They flew in for it, exactly. They built their whole vacation around it. This was like the pinnacle. They leave tomorrow. That's what really gets me.

I picture you being at home, David's tying your corset really tight behind you. He looks like he has. Dressing you up. You've got your big brimmed hat on. Yes. It was devastating, shocking. It did give me like a bolt of adrenaline.

It was really kind of exciting to get like an under the wire. You know what I mean? There was something kind of fun about that. All bets are off. Sure. In the emergency of then contacting you, make sure you can show it, because that's a big chain of like,

I didn't want to be driving. And wait, to see the ship. Near fall. Tears streaming down your cheeks. John. I'll be there soon, Jack. I'll see you. I was driving in the car and you said that text,

I was on my way and I was like, that's so funny. I think I wrote LOL, it's so funny. Oh yeah, I did catch you, okay, okay. You were on the way, wow, wow. I was on the way, but then I took a quick, and I don't want this to be a whole thing, but I took a quick left turn, and I went to Johnny Carson Park

to go to Jimmy Angel's birthday party. The 90-year-old rock and roll singer, and Pat Boone showed up. So I was able to go, I got to see a fun thing. Partied with Pat Boone. How was this, a backup plan? Did you even know this was happening? I did know, because I able to go I got see a fun thing already with Pat Boone how was this a backup plan did you even know this I did know I go see this guy at the smokehouse when I'm sort of in the world now so I was invited to go to Titanic well right so I was I was angry yeah I'm gonna miss this 90 year old birthday party in a public park. I went back in time and. Johnny Carson parted.

Yeah, that is a big deal. Yeah, there's a plaque with his face on it and everything. But then I went back in time in a different way to celebrate with a couple of 90 year olds. That's really sweet. Morty or era. Time travel does exist, talk to a 90 year old. That's right.

Exactly. That would be a really popular Facebook post. Yeah. That would get widely circulated. I would be like a poster at the library. Wanna time travel? With like Marty McFly, you know what I mean? I feel like there was a while where they were doing

inspirational posters with licensed IP. So that would be yeah. Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be an AI image as well, yeah. It would be weird. Well that's beautiful. You got a wonderful experience. Oh great.

Did you meet Pat Boone? I did not. I was just sort of standing here. Too scared? A little nervous. Oh okay. Sure. So what do you say?

Fun fact, I used to work on a show called Biography for like six or seven years. And every episode was about a celebrity. I did Pat Boone's biography. Wow. Really? I had to go to Pat Boone's office. He had an office in WeHo, which is shocking

because I don't think he loved the gays, but that's another story. Oh, because he's like, he's super Christian, right? Yeah. Right, right. He was a guy like, tisking like risque music. Right. But in like 1961. I don't like sugar, sugar. That should be banned. Yeah, 90 year olds, I feel like they're kind of grandfathered into a lot of, uh,

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure. It was a nice enough guy. I don't have any story with it, except I sat in his office going through his filing cabinets looking for anything interesting. Did you find anything? A bunch of pictures of his hog? I don't really remember.

No, but funny thing is, that, because I also did Bobby Vinton's, and he sent us a bunch of like eight million, I don't know what they were called, you would get film, like eight little eight, I think eight million, high eight film or something of like home movies.

And we were going through those and two of them were porn because you used to be able to get porn that way. And so we were told not to bring it up to him. Like just, oh, give him a box. Whoa, whoa. Totally bring it up to him. Another pot exclusive. You guys are getting all my secrets.

That's the singer, I had to remember, that is the singer Blue Velvet. Yeah. You got the secret porn stash of Bobby Vinton. That's an episode This is a theme park podcast, but also if you have any stories about old men in pornography I'm sorry, I'm not being specific. You were so deep in our wheelhouse. If you ever research William Frawley and you found nude photos, we want to know. This is what we want to know. Sure, whatever it was, we want to know what he was doing.

That's great. Oh my god. So anyway, this was just a wild situation. It worked out for Mike, but for all of us. It worked out great for me. Can I say one thing? Just because I wanted to come off the heels of you saying how long it took us to put this together.

I think you said we started in February. We did it in June. So four months. So we're ready to do this. Marissa comes over, we decided to ride together. Sometimes I like to go alone, because if I'm going to a part of town I don't normally go to,

I may want to go get some stuff from over there that I don't normally get to do. But I was like, let's go together. Sometimes I like to go alone because if I'm going to a part of town I don't normally go to, I may want to go to get some stuff from over there that I don't normally get to do. But I was like, let's go together. Marissa comes over and picks me up. First thing she says when she gets in the car. I said, we were like, God, what's this going to be? And I go, I hope it's not VR. And John goes, I think that's like the whole thing. It's called the VR Titanic experience. She's like, I can't do VR. She's like, I can't do VR. She's like, I can't, I physically can't do it. And I was like, Marissa, we've been planning this with these guys for four months. I think I like, I have such an aversion to VR

that I like block it out if I see it. So I just saw like Titanic experience. I don't know. I think I thought it might be like a living museum. I think I thought it was a museum. They're gonna have an old coat there for us to look at. In a unit. We're like coming up with plans.

We're like, okay, you can like tilt your glasses a little bit so you can like look at the ground. We'll get you through this. Well, okay, I have, I started to get nervous because I have an aversion to, I have like a sensitive, which I'm interested because you don't have like a motion. You did get a little motion. We'll talk about that later. This This is rare that's ever happened to me

a little bit like Disoriented my whatever system it is my inner ear whatever I get easily disoriented Like there's an earthquake. I'll feel a little disoriented for a while motion stuff And so my frame of reference for it is like I can't do planetarium shows because it's too vestibularly, whatever, and I can't do like, a Soren I struggle with sometimes. I have to look at the corners, I have to see the feet. I like to look at the feet.

I have to see the feet too. Wait, I don't think I've heard this, the feet ground you? The feet, yeah, the feet dangling. It kind of is like, okay, it gives you a reference point that's like, it's still, or if you look at the edges, you can always see the edges, and that will kind of like orient you a little bit. It's like looking at the-

I have to hold the feet. I have to just grab the feet. I have to hold the feet of the person by me too. I have to tickle the feet. Take off their shoes, tickle their feet. They can't do anything with it. Then I'm okay. Then I can get the rest of the ride.

Take pictures of the feet for later. Upload it. Close the feet. Sure. I had to leave the movie Gravity early. I saw Gravity in the movie. Oh really? It was so good.

I had to leave early and I had to go to Veggie Grill, RIP, the Cinerama Dome, I was like I can't do it, this is killing me. Cinerama Dome's a tough place to see Gravity too. It was really tough. You don't like domed, you don't like curvature. The domed experience, the curvature, I don't think I could go to the sphere.

I think it's too, it's too immersive. It's too immersive, too disorienting. And so VR. Yeah so she's telling me this as I was like, they bought us tickets for this. We're driving there and I'm like well, I don't wanna just go and say I can'torienting. And so, VR. Yeah, so she's telling me this as I was like, they bought us tickets for this. We're driving there and I'm like, well, I don't wanna just go and say I can't do it. I've also never done what we did.

So like I didn't, I wasn't sure that this would be, I had no reference of this exact thing. I'm like, God, maybe, is it possible? I think we even thought at one point, we're like, well, you could just not do it. We're all gonna have glasses on. They won't even know if you're doing it or not. Sure, I could lie.

I could just be going. As soon as we start, he has never left. No, I would just go in like, whoa. Can you guys believe this? But really I'm filing my nails on a couch outside. I had options. Online gambling. Yes, exactly.

I was playing some slots. So I wanted to try it. And knowing that I could bail, you could take off the, they don't buckle the thing to your head like a lock and key if I have to bail like if I start to feel that it's not working I was willing to be a team player but I but I was I was scared I was scared Wow Wow yeah so you're coming into it with this we have all the backstory of the stress of like it went

away and what's happening now which just side note also and it'll all dovetail once we actually like arrive at the you know at the entrance of the thing but the other like like I was just so like you know disoriented by the whole like just pulling the rug out from under us all of a sudden and then I went to reschedule and it was like there's nothing for five more weeks yes so we have to bump this again. We already were avoiding Mother's Day. Now we're going after Father's Day. Yeah.

And at the time that I did the re-booking, it was like. What's gonna be next, grandparents day? Every seven years, that's my birthday. Oh, really? Yeah, that's in the first week of September. Oh, cool, great. I just wanted to share. If you're ever your grandpa, that will be a special day.

I don't feel like Kennedy really cared about that. That's the best day ever. Oh, cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You that would be a good thing. I don't feel like Kennedy really cared about that. Oh, cool. You're going to be grandparents someday. And every day you'll think of John on Grandparents Day. Every seven years. Every seven years you'll think of John.

But so that like, at the time that I did the rebooking, it showed up as, it was the literal last day that we could do this. Right. There were no more, and I'm like, after all this, we've landed on the final day that it's do this. There were no more, and I'm like, well, so we land, after all this, we've landed on the final day that it's ever even going to be open.

And I got worried because of that. I was like, what if they have to cancel it again? Then we'll never go. What if that happens again? And then it's just floating out there, and we don't do this episode. So at some point, I sent them an email, and I said, like, hey, just so you, like, you know, it just sucks to get bumped this far,

and it's kind of a pain, just if there's anything like do you is There even one slot sooner and they wrote back No So I wrote back another and I pulled a card that I don't like to pull and that I've rarely ever done I can only think of one instance where I've done it before The card is you know I do a podcast and we're hoping to review This experience on the show and it makes it more relevant if it's an experience that's open. So the fact that we're doing it on the final day,

and then we'll put out an episode and the thing's been long closed, that just seems weird to me. Is there any way, is there even one, in the next five weeks, is there one single slot, because the slots are like 20 minutes each. They're going all day every day. Like there's not one.

There's not one. Weeks and weeks. And they wrote back, no. And here's what's weird about this, is that the other time that I did a similar thing, it was to Universal Studios, and it worked. It was for, because I wrote them, and there was some little bump situation,

and I said, hey, we really wanna review Super Nintendo World on the show, while it's still really fresh. Two events on par, similar popularity level. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As much anticipation as the opening and the closing of Titanic of Voyage through time. And I won one and I lost the other. So, but now, yes, the day comes, I'm like, what is all of this? Is it going to be worth all that? So you're coming in... I'm nauseated, I'm terrified.

...before it's even begun. And then all of it is like the slog over the Beverly Center, which is kind of crazy. But we did it on a Sunday, so it'd be a little less insane. But I feel like it all melted away a little bit when we walked up to the window and we saw what you alluded to earlier, John, which is. Sorry, I didn't mean to burst that. Oh, not at all.

I just want to reiterate the strikingness of, first of all, trying to find it, because again, as with the other thing the Beverly Center is impossible to navigate out and we walked fully Stores in it, but it makes no sense. It's an MC usher For and you're like I part like it you park and then you take an escalator, like it's three stories high. And then an elevator.

It's absolute pandemonium. They could convert it to a prison overnight. And no one would get out. Ever. They don't need any cells. And they don't even have to put you in little cells. There's no cells, there's no locks. It's a new concept for prisons.

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I feel like we're gonna be at the Beverly Center a lot in the next few decades. I would like to be. I feel like that's what's gonna happen with the Beverly Center. That's great. But then once we all find it, and you guys were already perusing the gift shop,

and then we got to experience together this incredible display of a couple of mannequins in 1910s clothes and in like a big hat. There was a mother holding a child's hand and a man standing beside them, maybe the husband. Mm-hmm. And do they have life jackets on? I think they have one. I have pictures.

Well, they're on their way to potentially die. This is a family that's going to be split apart by the women and children policy. They're pointing at the iceberg is the way it would have to be for the timeline there because they're in their old-time equals and their Vests and they're pointing at the at their pointing Saying I think we're about to drown You're gonna die over there Mom is like holding her breath. You're gonna die over there. We're getting on this boat.

But there's one little change with these old timey mannequins and the change is they are all wearing VR headsets. And this mashup is so instantly funny. It's kind of like bone chilling. I found this everything, okay, I was scared of the VR just from like a nauseating standpoint. And seeing the glasses really solidified that. Seeing the glasses solidified my fear.

She is me. I will be her. Something about the juxtaposition of the old-fashionedness, and I sometimes get like, I get eeked out by cyber stuff sometimes, by robots. They kind of eek me out a little bit. They got rid of their Alexa. Something about the juxtaposition of the old fashioned family and then the cyber helmet.

It made me a little freaked out. You know what, now I think about it, it's kind of like those mannequins you would see in those houses where they would test nuclear bombs. Oh, maybe that's kind of what it felt like. It felt faceless too, which is creepy as well. Faceless. It's like impending doom.

Definitely a sense of impending doom walking into this. Well, I mean, to be more Titanic is kind of impending doom. We know what you're there for. There is like a Virhoven-esque, sort of dystopian feeling in some weird way of like there's a mechanical futuristic thing and then it's an old timey person. I don't know, there's something odd about that

juxtaposition as well. And the life jacket, it's an old-time person. I don't know, there's something odd about that juxtaposition as well. And the life jacket, it's like, they were wearing life jackets, right? I can't find the photos of it. I think someone was. I know they were. Oh my God, I don't know. Do you think anyone went to this experience not knowing how it ends?

Yeah. Definitely possible. I think, yeah. Kids, I guess. I think probably kids, but I bet some adults. I'm really not seeing life jackets. Let me see. Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is like Bear and Steen Bear.

Wait a minute. Oh God, it's life jacket on only the mother and not the father. Oh! That's actually the worst outcome. Wow. Wow. And not the girl.

I guess it's the assumption that they'll just, mother will hold the girl. We didn't make. Baby will float? Did Titanic not do child-sized life-fed? I can see that being a thing they would coccally not do. Cause then the adult would hold the child? Yeah.

That's like a clickbait, like this image will send a chill down your spine when you realize the one thing that's wrong. It's like, oh my God, the child doesn't have a life jacket. Oh, I'm so glad I looked that up. That's so eerie. So all that's upsetting you so far is the idea of the concept of what it is and the first image that you see when arriving.

I'm shaking in my damn boots. I don't know what the hell's going on. And also, it having been canceled, I'm like, what's going on here? I'm a little suspicious walking in. I don't feel 100% safe, which is a good way to feel stepping on aboard the Titanic because you're not safe Well, you approached them about why they canceled it didn't you? Oh, yeah, so that's that so we walk up It's time to it's time to board

and the I mean one thing now here, we'll do separate ideas here. Well, I let let's go with that the the We we scan and everything we check in. I noticed the little detail on the iPad where you're checking in that all of the directions have the exclamation point at the end and then the upside down Spanish exclamation right, even though I selected English. That's just one little tell of the entire thing. I actually think English should use both of this. That's a lot of fun. That's something we're missing out on. It is fun.

It's like when you get on an airplane and you're like, should there be a screw there? It looks like there's like dust patched up. We're stepping aboard in kind of a spooky experience, and you're like, did we double check everything? Slightly uneasy feeling. And then we're about to go to the waiting area. Wait for, there's gonna be a ding dong

when it's time for us to board. But you remember something important. Ding dong is right, we were all ding dongs that day. But you remembered something very important, which is you said, I'm gonna ask them what happened, and you did, and the answer we got, does anyone remember? When I found out that it was VR, which again, sent a shock to my system, this event we'd

been planning since February. And then I thought, oh, well, that makes so much sense. That was the unforeseen circumstances. There must be so many technical glitches that happen with VR that could just shut down the whole operation, some power things, some kind of system failure, some software update. I was like- The trackers aren't tracking. That makes so much sense.

That is why they could have just said we're having technical difficulties. So we ask, well, what happened? And then the woman there, she was very happy to tell. It sounded like she was like so relieved she got to tell the story because she seemed to be so fed up also. Yeah, it was like, oh, oh, she was like really volunteering.

Yes, she might have been the one who decided to put the alarm bell emoji in the email. She might have written you the email. You have to tell people. Yes. She said that they were that. So the space had previously been a Uniclo, which was very fun for us to learn that it was a former Uniclo. And because it was a Uniclo, they weren't in control of their HVAC and it was getting

warmer. I'm guessing maybe they didn't have to use the HVAC. It was fine. Like the mall air conditioning and maybe as it was getting warmer, they wanted to fire up their own system. So they fire up the air conditioning to try to have a little autonomy, cool down the space, maybe to simulate the icy cold water of the Titanic and white foam started falling from all of the air ducts. A foam party!

Strip down, baby! Take your clothes off, Mike. Everywhere I go. Mike heard foam, he started stripping down, he said, wait, wait, wait, let's hear the rest of his story. Mike's in his underwear. Mike's already in his underwear. He's trying to take his pants off over his shoes and we're like, that's not gonna work of her story. Mike's in his underwear. Mike's already in his underwear. Where'd he go? He's trying to take his pants off over his shoes and we're like, that's not gonna work,

take your shoes off first, you're gonna trip. And so she had to immediately turn this system off because I'm assuming everybody does it as best as is raining down upon all these minimum wage employees, very sad. They had to call the fire department, it ended up being a whole duct thing that they had to completely redo all department. It ended up being like a whole duct thing that they had to completely redo

all the duct work in the place. And so I'm guessing that's what shut them down. And it certainly was not that they were at capacity for these four months that we were trying to rebook. This is what we've learned. And with the little testy email I sent, there's not one single solitary slot. No, there is not.

And now I've determined the reason was that they just weren't doing it at all because of his best of his fears. Why not say we had to pause for, we had some unforeseen circumstances with the building. We were temporarily closed and we'll be reopened on this date. They didn't say that.

They said you only. They said, fuck you and your little podcast. Everyone else gets to have fun and not you. They didn't want you to leak it to our listeners This did not seem like an event that was at maximum capacity That's what I was gonna say there's like 70 couches that are completely free you hear it's at capacity every 20 minutes 24 hours a day You think you're gonna be like getting on the titanic 200 people you'veitching through. I'm at three. When are you going dead? We were like one other family was there

I've ever seen an infinite room 45 lockers for nobody Well and also I think during they kept because I then I found on reddit is there like is there any other proof that anyone Was in our situation and I said I found up on I guess there's a Titanic reddit. So on that somebody was asking what's going on Maybe you and you could join that the very active in the titanic. You're one of the top But somebody said like somebody's asking how is this and so he said I heard it's good and then and then a Comment top top was before going I heard it's good and then and then a comment top top was before going Investigate this event. They have been canceled for three weeks. They do not say anything and keep letting people buy their tickets No, they are nominees their grammar. They are not

Informationing that this event is not working informationing should be a verb People abuse me and change my ticket three times. So there is something happening here. People abuse me, they're not information. S underscore Gertner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, you got me. I'm pretending to be another guy. That is wild.

Yeah, so I guess they, so this might be a weird thing where they didn't want to admit it. Maybe they were like worried about like the perception. Maybe they were worried about the perception. Maybe they were about it. Like, getting up or getting shut down or something. So they didn't say, we're shutting it down. Maybe they didn't know how long it was going to be closed for. Maybe they kept getting the debt extended,

how long it was going to take. And the work maybe was kind of they were losing the thread. But they didn't want to get that in writing that they were going to be closed for any length of time. They were just kind of they were just taking it like one day at a time maybe yeah yeah yeah because they didn't want to be like oh a bunch of poison foam for like that would have been bad for the long term

that is bad PR for the event something good came out of it what it's now gonna be here for the rest of the year so if you enjoy oh yeah so the other bit of information then was I did not book it on the last day Yes, there are six more months of this. We saw the gift shop and we said everything should be 70% off But it's not there is 2499 Bear that has nothing to do with Titanic. Yeah, there's the name of the You like that it was the company. Right.

The Gold Star. I thought it was the SS White House or whatever. Wait, no, it's not that. Now I'm confused. White Star. It's not Gold Star. The Gold Star Express. What was it?

Polar Express? Something line was what it was. It was White Star Line. Star Line. Star Line? Starlight Express? You thought it was a neat fact, but then you didn't remember what the fact was about. It was Panda Express. What is the company that made Titanic? Starline Starlight Express Company that made Titanic will it know

White Starline, yes white star line. Okay, it's star line. I'm just saying it was loosely themed I'm saying defending this great company I'm just saying it was loosely themed. I'm saying it wasn't that themed at all. I'm just defending this great company. There was a good deal. I will say that I am actively trying to create a life of charm bracelet that represents my entire life. And I did buy a little Titanic charm there. So I was happy about that.

How much? 10 bucks. For metal, real metal. Wow, real metal. Not that fake metal that I was trying to pass off on. Yeah. Did you bite it and make sure it was real metal? Sometimes they coat it, it's wax coated in metal so they can sk off on, yeah. Did you bite it and make sure it was real metal? Sometimes they coat, it's wax coated in metal

so they can skimp on the metal. No chocolate in that. It was exhilarating to finally be there. Well, I thought you were scared about the headset too. Well, from like, for claustrophobia reasons, more than. Not like pathetic reason like mine. We're all bringing a lot into this. Not real manly reason like yours.

Yeah, it wasn't loser shit. It wasn't loser shit. It was like a real tough guy thing going on. Sure, sure, sure. But now we're all there, we're there finally. We know it's not the last day. We know this is something good enough to go for six more months, potentially eight

if they get makeup months for the months where they were closed. She did kind of reveal a little bit of inside baseball. She was like, well, we're trying to get an extra two months tacked on for the two months at our least, we couldn't operate baseball. She was like, well, we're trying to get an extra two months tacked on for the two months at our lease. Like we couldn't operate. I'm like, oh, we're getting like inside like, like the mall. Possibly through Valentine's day.

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Hey everyone, this is Tom Sharpling, the host of The Best Show, the weekly live comedy podcast where I interview celebrity guests, talk to callers from all over the world, play music, and have as much fun as you can possibly have on a podcast. It's three hours of mirth, music, and mayhem every Tuesday, and you can check out the latest episode of The Best Show streaming right now on Amazon Music. I will say in the lobby, I wouldn't have minded maybe like the sound of seagulls, maybe like horns in the distance, the murmur of people. Instead of just a bunch of like mirrors that you used to hold Uniqlo clothes up to yourself

to see if they'd fit. There were racks. Graphic wallpaper, whatever that weird design was on everything. Well, this is a question I had when I heard it was a Uniqlo then I walked in and I thought oh I can tell because there's a bunch of like nonsense on though that must be the graphic design of Uniqlo. But now I am convinced that everything that was on the wall were weird tracking patterns. Yeah, yeah. Like delineate what are the different rooms because like in this experience your it's way

At this point we should mention the thing, the void that has not come up for years on the show because the void is gone. Okay. Yeah. That's why. Uh, but we did a number of those on the show. I want to say we did like three void things. If we did episodes about all of them or not, but that was kind of the, the, uh, you know, the precedent for this and, uh, which most of which we did in the, in the Glendale Galleria in the space that is now Din Tai Fung. Right, it's the Gow Din Tai Fung, which is a great restaurant. Which is in a top tier Din Tai Fung location.

We love Din Tai Fung. Guys, let's go. Oh yeah, right now let's go instead of in the podcast room. We never, we did Avengers, we did Star Wars, I never got to do Nicodemus. Nicodemus, what was the rest of the name of Nicodemus? Yeah, it was a scary original character created by the boy called Nicodemus. Nicodemus, what was the rest of the name of Nicodemus? Yeah, it was a scary original character created by the boy called Nicodemus.

The Evangelion, it was some of our, the informationing. And that created my alter ego, Nicodemus, my version of the character. Oh, right. But we never did it because it closed. And this is all in the middle of pandemic, so. He shoots foam out of his hands. Yeah, he's always ready for a party.

Always ready for a party. Poison, is that a beard? No always ready for a party Poison foam No that's foam Poison foam In the void experiences they leave it kind of a mystery where you are and what's happening to you Which is really crazy because there's things where you reach and you grab a weapon and then it's physically there or you get you I'm supposed to stand on a step and then you do and there is a step or you walk on a little bridge But they don't let you see it after we're you can't see it before

either yeah so you really don't know where you are once the goggles are on yeah and there's a pre-show where they really like make sure you're in a little by like not a room but I guess it's like little area with a curtain at the very least they don't show you the magic trick. This was not that. This is before you go in you can look in the room where it's just fluorescent mall lighting and see that it's just a big room with a lot of weird patterns and people walking around

and just one giant, yeah, one giant space with no dividers or anything. Yes. Bunch of people, yeah, and you can see a couple of people, you can see people milling about with their headset on. Kind of feeling around at nothing. Yeah, like just uncertainty in their gestures. So you're in on the magic trick before it's even begun.

But that's not to say that- I actually found that comforting. As somebody who was scared, it's kind of like, if you want to like, I want the haunted house with the lights on, you know what I mean? I didn't know. I had so little confidence in my ability to participate in this that like, the more it could be disillusioned, the better. Like, oh great, we're just wandering around a Uniqlo.

There's not going to be anything like moving or with, cause I asked at the front too, I said, it would really be disorienting for me. And I've had this with like the, uh, some rides and stuff that incorporate motion and like, uh, screens. Uh, I, that will really, really fuck me up. And so the fact that it was just like, you're

just walking around the floor, uh, expanse of a, of 40,000 square foot unicorn. I thought that'd be very comforting. I'm just seeing like, I'm seeing a 75 year old man just like shuffling around, you know, just like grabbing at things that aren't there. I was kind of like, okay, I'm less scared. Yeah, yeah, like I get that.

I get that they've mystified it. You were still scared about the headset. I was, yes. Yes. You wanna make sure everyone knows? I want everyone to know that you were a little baby. Well, just when I put it on, sometimes I get like panic. Like I would get panicked sometimes.

Oh, the claustrophobia. I went to see a magic show with Andrew Grissom that Frank Marshall directed. Producer Frank Marshall was Jimmy Buffett's best friend. And it was fairly recently and there was some COVID surge going on and Andrew was like, oh, you wanna wear a mask? I go, yeah, sure.

And I put it on and I had almost had a panic attack. It was like two years ago. So like I have weird and I didn't do an escape room a couple of years ago. And I didn't want to see a Minotaur. We're really rushing you through the rumors that you're catching up on. Mike was making Eve as the demon and then Jimmy Buffett is the best friend. And Mike didn't want to do a Minotaur. So I've had like weird panic attack things. But generally with the void.

You couldn't be a mascot. You couldn't be in the full suit, I bet. I don't think I could be a mascot unless it was like, just my head was cut out of the circle like this. But even then I would get sort of stuck maybe. You could be one of the fruit of the looms. Could be one of like, they were firing up that ad campaign again.

Yeah, I could be the grapes. But a void, usually I would be okay once it went down and I could see there's like a little waiting period with the Void where it would be like loading or something and that's when I would be like, uh-oh, where it's a problem. But then as soon as you're in the virtual world, I calmed down and I accepted my fate.

You're happiest there. Yeah. See, I'm at this point feeling perfectly calm but things end up going a little south from it. We all like, we all experienced different ups and downs like the passengers on the Titanic yeah I must have been third class because within five minutes I don't know if you heard my headset battery died I just get a thing like a words battery low like nobody's here like this should have been charging for the last six

weeks. I can't make it three minutes into this. So I'm like, my battery's dying. And like within like a minute someone comes over and they left my glasses on and I just feel them like touching my head. Then they plug something in. What just happened. Are we up and running? Are we off going? Are we owing and all? I didn't even notice this. And you're like. It felt very beta testy. Wow. But then once it was back charged, I was like.

How much radiation from that battery were we just getting right in the brain? Yeah, I don't like to think about that. What kind of a battery was it? The cerebellum. Yeah. I've had a headache ever since we left. Yeah.

And a couple nosebleeds which have been around. Yeah. Yeah. But so you first get taken to this kind of like odd liminal space where you're like getting your bearings, but then like it's it's it is kind of fun that like it's up to the group to communicate things to each other because I was just looking at like instructions up ahead but it was Mike who was noticing things going look down there's a pen there's a book and a pen.

You can write things in the book. And then I caught that. And then you look down and there's apple, there's an apple, I can pick up an apple. There's things to do and we aren't even in the past yet. Cool and so not at the same time. It's like, oh wow, I can pick this up, but it's like, it's like jargly and like,

it's not super fluid or that cool. The quick thing I, and I was hoping it wasn't true, but the quick, like the thing I immediately learned was that we didn't see what each other was picking up and doing. That would have been the game changer of the experience because if we could like write on each other or something, that would have been great.

Or write on love to write on you, Mike. Yeah, right. We could do our art on our avatars. That would have been really fun. Let's talk about our avatars very quickly because our art on our avatars. That would've been really fun. And let's talk about our avatars very quickly because we look like avatar avatars. We're like tall blue people. Yes, copyright infringement almost.

To some degree, yes. Except that it's featureless. That's the only thing. We're kind of just like big. Ghosts. Sort of jacked. Sort of everybody's to some extent. Mike was so tall and your waist was so slim.

It was like almost like hard to be around you. Everyone kept going on and I'm not making a joke. People kept going on about the way my avatar looked. Not me, the way my avatar looks. I'm gonna join the parade here and say, I mean, I told it to you guys in the moment, but now I will say this with listeners listening, Mike, I was very attracted to your avatar.

I don't know what happened. I just don't. Did you say my spank bank has a nude positive? There was something with, and because like, I don't wanna, don't let me go on, what I don't wanna do is say, no, no, no, let me defend myself. I liked it because it looked nothing like you.

Well, I was gonna say I have nothing to do with it other than just having the height. The height, yes. But it still appeared taller to me. Yes. And definitely more muscular apologies, but also kind of naked. We all looked a little naked.

And a little feminine and curvy. It wasn't like mound-less though. Maybe it's that it's like a morph, between all genders, you are one and all. Maybe that was kind of part of the- But those potato chips, what are those called? The all-dressed? All-dressed, yeah, potato chips? What are those called? The all-dressed? All-dressed, yeah, with like ketchup and celery.

You were an all-dressed chip. And everything bagel. Like people would project onto you their deepest desires and they would be reflected back. It was masculine though, like very broad. But then a kind of like a butt and a crotch that had corners but not where corners would be on a real butter crotch.

Everyone, so he was curvy but also kind of like jagged and rugged. Jagged and rugged. Yeah, it was all like ways that beings can be attractive. Whatever you wanted him to be. And I think maybe I wanted the faceless. I wanted it, yeah, just like, I don't want any emotion here. You can think, yeah.

Pure raw physicality. That's why I like stormtroopers. That's why I have a thing about stormtroopers. I was wondering if you were gonna talk about this. I'm happy to bring up my stormtrooper fetish. Because you were comparing notes. We said this is like this thing, the void that we did. And when we did the void, everyone, when we looked around, we all saw each other

as just different stormtroopers. Jason Sheridan being, of course, a tiny stormtrooper. Apologies, Jason. I feel like I got it with the reveal that the comedy would do it with like wow there's Mike There was a Paul there's Paul and then go pan down They should have made him R2D2 Anyone make the obvious joke you're a little short to be a stormtrooper That would have been good. I think I was too nervous of them with the goggles

Coming out of that haze. Okay, but we're telling you that, and you were kind of like, you kind of went to a place when we said we all appeared to each other as stormtroopers. You said, John was steaming up. Well, this is me knowing you for like five minutes. It's just me. Most people know that as part of my canon,

about what kind of thing for stormtroopers. And you're like, how would that even work? How would they get undressed? I'm like, they have a cod piece. That's all you really need is that. But I just like the anonymous face of- Something about the smooth, pristine- White.

Stormtrooper. I don't mean like, black stormtroopers would be great. But the cleanness of the costume of the stormtrooper. And then imagine taking that off and just seeing like pubes and like a wrinkly like red dick. I don't know if that would touch the position. You're making it even hotter.

I don't think you would want that. I feel like it's like. You will imagine that. Part of it also, and then we can move on cause this isn't what your show is. Also somebody told us they were like they're not a dirty show. Someone told us that.

Someone what? Someone was like, oh you're going on podcast ride. They don't talk about like sex or anything. Someone said, yeah we shouldn't girlie show. Somebody told us that. Someone was like, oh, you're going on a podcast ride. They don't talk about sex or anything. Someone said, yeah, we shouldn't use the sexy. They haven't been listening lately. Someone sent me a picture probably 15 years ago of two frat guys sitting at their kitchen table in just boxers, hairy chest, hairy legs

with stormtrooper helmets on. I thought I was going to die. Wow. I don't know what your go-to childhood thing is, but man, that's like Sears catalog material. That's what I'm talking about. That did it. You got so heated up talking about this, is that what shorted out the battery in your VR helmet?

Oh, maybe, but guys, this has never happened. The battery is somehow melted. Steam coming out of your ears, yeah. There's battery acid dripping down the back of your neck. Battery drained. Yeah. Wow. Maybe you never thought about that. So we were saying it would have been cool if instead of us

just being these like, well, I mean, I guess it was hot in a different way that we were like, you know, these kind of these blue guys. No one said I was hot. No one even commented. Unfortunately, it's just the sight. Mike ended up upgrading. They rounded him up to the six foot eight

like Grecian statue. How tall are you? Six three. OK, you're like the same. Damn, I'm six one. I think I'm shrinking. That's not fair that they wouldn't. Over six, you should become six foot eight.

It's unfair that only Mike got it. I was not attracted to any of your avatars. That's fair. What? You weren't seeing what we were seeing. I'm god. I was not attracted to any You saw somebody who was like eight four you would have been like, maybe perhaps if somebody Cool and like why couldn't they do this if they could make stormtroopers to make everybody in our group a different Titanic We could have picked our avatar imagine it like, who do you want to be? Do you want to be like the maiden or the pauper or the rich guy or whatever? Or like what class?

Like your third class. What class? Assign a boy or a girl? They could have assigned us and then we could have been able to see each other as that. I agree. Why do we look like avatars? It doesn't really... It made sense in the early parts of it where you're like in like a lab and scuba dive.

Sure, yeah. But then once you're on a ship they encourage you to talk to the literal captain and then you look down at yourself and my arms are blue. And nobody was like, they were acknowledging us as if we were like guests on the Titanic. We weren't like aliens from another planet. Right, and when you're looking around before you take off, you're seeing everyone dress, there's hundreds of people dressed It would have been nice to be dressed the part. Yeah. Yeah, that's my biggest complaint with this actually Yeah, you weren't like yeah is carrot. We weren't care. I think it's it like everybody can find something within that I mean, I'm always looking for chances to be like a big, you know beard top hat guy Yeah, and I don't get to die. I'm going to Titanic and I can't do that. Wow. Well there's a mix. Give this guy a pocket watch.

This is the, this is I think the problem they have is that they want this to be educational on some level and they, but they do put in things like you get to pick up a champagne glass and throw it, which is fun. So the video game element-ish, I agree. But yeah, you're right, cause you can't like throw it and shatter it. You can't do it like you're mad on dynasty.

And then you can see it reset where it wasn't right. And we would all take turns going like, whoa, I just chucked a suitcase across the room. Did you guys see that? And we're like, no, my suitcase is where it's supposed to be. Everyone would just have their arm up. They're like, can you see what I'm holding? No, your arm's just up.

Because you put us all, we're all like, mom, did you see me? Mom, did you see me? We're all doing our little physical bits. And none of us can see each other's physical yeah that sucked yeah and and but but there it's it's tough because i feel like they wanted to be like very like respectful of everything so i feel like the decision i don't know maybe it's the server didn't work or the computer didn't have enough information to show everybody but i feel like they wanted to like really have people absorb the information but then they shouldn't have just they should have just not let us grab me

You just have to be more creative with your jokes They have to be jokes that an avatar can do you can floss you can dab on the deck of the Titanic. You're just jerking off and humping? Yeah. So that is some... Yeah, it's limiting, it's limiting. Anonymous jerking and humping on the deck of a boat. Oh, humping the floor of a Uniqlo as a 22-year-old minimum wage employee sanitizes a headset.

Yes, yes. If you could do like a first-person shooter in VR through the Titanic, oh wow that would have ruled Who are you shooting the go aliens? Less educational but yes, they should realize we're all in it for the novelty We're not really there to learn the history of the Titanic We're all in it for the novelty. We're not really there to learn the history of the Titanic. As soon as you're in that world, you want to play around in it. I don't have a test tomorrow with this.

I'm like cramming on my Titanic knowledge. I came home and I was grilled. Because I told you guys, my five-year-old son is obsessed with the Titanic. I just flippantly mentioned it one time. And in a parent way, you don't remember what you're saying and that they have impact on your children. So then he's been asking about the Titanic ever since and so then I said oh dad's gotta go

I gotta go do I go in a thing where you're on the Titanic? I'm riding on the Titanic And he goes whatever is his like kid language really broke my heart It was like why isn't that something I can go do and I like I said, I don't know I'm sorry It's for and you have to wear this thing and I don't think it'll work and thank God I asked and you have to be eight To do it. Yeah, I don't know, I'm sorry, it's free, and you have to wear this thing, and I don't think it'll work. And thank God I asked, and you have to be eight to do it. I would have felt really bad. Which eights, I feel like you need to be like 16 to do this.

Yeah, I think so. Oh yes, as well as we learn, we'll get into the kids. Yeah, sure. But then I said, well, you know what, I'll go learn about the Titanic. When I get home, you can ask me some stuff about it. And then I got home, and the first thing he said was, so how big was it?

And I said, I don't know. We were messing, we were doing pervert stuff. I didn't learn anything. I'm letting you down. I was humping the guy shoveling coal into the engine. I don't know. That guy was cool-ish. Everything has a big ish after it.

Yeah, unfortunately. But that's like, you're there, you're there, and what do you wanna do? Listen to some dry facts from the captain. You wanna like live there. Like that's the, you are excited to be there, but like I think it was a miscalculation to just be like, and then in every room you're gonna get a lecture

about what the dimensions of the room are. And if you pick up an apple, you bet your ass your friends aren't gonna see it. No. It's gonna end in crap. If you misbehave, you're not gonna get the gratification of room aren't true. And if you pick up an apple, you bet your ass your friends aren't going to see it. No. If you misbehave, you're not going to get the gratification of your friends seeing it. At some point, you won't even go to different rooms. At one point, you're going to be in a room where there's five guys and you'll keep coming back to that same room to get a lecture. Oh my God. I know. In the dining hall.

Here, I'll step through things. I don't think we have to be so room by room, but we could sort of broad-stress it. But the first thing is they do like, you know, let's make sure that there's a way that makes sense that we get you. At first it's a dive. You meet kind of this like dashing, sort of like raspy-voiced guy who tells you, and now we're about to dive.

And the kind of, the only thing I wrote down, my short-term memory is shot, so I would just, I kept a voice memo, I would just like hit it when there was something I want to remember and apparently some one of the things this is the kind of thing that he you say we're not here to learn and then but then like look at the kind of stuff you get to learn you get to hear this guy this diver tell you you go to the bottom of the ocean first before you learn any type yeah stuff and then there's fish swimming around like the scary one from finding Nemo with the little light and

then you hear the guys say look at that that, black sea devils, see their glowing antennae? So that's what you get to learn. That's Titanic canon. Everyone knew about the antennae antennae. They had a really prominent role in the story. We needed to learn of a glowing antennae. That was the only time I was scared. That first thing we had to step out, I have a terrible fear of heights. Oh, right, right. And you have the illusion that you're stepping out kind of in, like you're really high up in the ocean. And that was the only time I was a little scared.

Like a glass bottom elevator. Yeah. And there was like a little gap between my skin and my glasses. And a couple of times I kind of had to look at my cheek to like not experience it. Oh my God. Yeah. I closed my eyes when we were dunking down to the depths of the ocean.

That was the one thing that felt a little like, they're kind of simulating a ride a little bit, and so I was like, I'm gonna close my eyes for this. And then we landed on the ocean floor, and then we were given some facts about Titanic, and then we kind of stepped out of the chamber we were in that we were observing the ocean in, and I think he tried to kind of explain

why we could walk and breathe underwater. He said we could breathe, yeah. He's like, who cares? You'll be able to breathe easily. Who cares? But then five minutes later, he says, now we're going to make you giants. You're going to grow now.

And I'm like, well, it's okay, so you needed to step us through the breathing part, but now you have a giantization machine here. Sure. That. Yeah, it's strange. But I guess it is all a good mechanism for letting you hop around.

What do you want to see? I guess it is interesting to be at the bottom of the ocean. It's interesting to see the titan. I'm walking around the full wreckage of the Titanic. It was like a miniature wreckage. Because then the ship was much smaller than us, and we could see it in a different way. Those things I did think were really-

Walking around the wreckage, it was kind of a good way just to kind of like figure out what the hell you're doing. Like taking your little steps and kind of like orienting with like, this is how I exist in this VR world. I had the first instance of trying to walk, being like, whoa, cool,

and walking like three inches closer and then having like a big red- Grid. Grid popping popping up which was signaling me that there was somebody like in another party who I was going to bump into. Oh, so we didn't say if somebody from another party came into your field of vision, they appeared as a little red avatar. And they were kind of scary. They were like little demons of the deep.

Like the fire Navi you're going to be. Like a little meat and fire and ash. So I'm scared of them. And then that gives you this whole, and you are in like ghostly depths of the ocean. So I'm thinking of the, and we're all these like super hot avatars. This we know.

And so now there's this sci-fi element of like what I wanted to do was like get a weapon and start shooting the red avatars. I want this to be laser tag now. We got sort of risk gauntlets at a certain point, which I felt I was hoping they were like laser shooters of some kind, but they weren't. Which ended up being nothing. We touched them once.

We never had a weapon. We touched them once. But we also should say, I mean, we kind of said this already, that it's a big open area. So they're running multiple groups at once. So the reason you're going to get a red avatar once in a while is because a group ahead of you, someone ran past like the barricade, the like virtual barricade, and generally it's a child. Children aren't going to follow the rules. So we kept getting red avatars, small red avatars that interrupt our experience because a child, I would glance under that.

It feels like a hyena running by or something. That's what it was. Yeah, it was like science. It was really scary. And just to really nail it in, the experience, if you were to look at this from the sky, so you have one group that's in men's jeans. You have one group that's in the teens.

Sure, yes. Someone's over here in socks. And they're supposed to stay in that department. I was curious how much of we were traversing because I feel like we finished in a different area that where we started. It was like we were of we were traversing because I feel like we finished in a different area that where we started. We were doing some kind of some kind of tango from hell with all these other groups where we were like I think we were passing each other because we did have to cross a

threshold and stand on like a lighted hexagon to move spaces so that was like to get us out of the way of other parties that were coming by because why else would we have to like walk and sit on a spot? It was a real dance. It was a real dance. I did, at the end, I made a note to myself, I was like, this is not the place you go for steps, because when I go to Disneyland, and I look at the end of the day, I've gotten 20,000 steps.

How many steps have you done? This is like 75 steps. Is that right? You've just quickly walked through a store. There's definitely some stand around time, for sure. But you sort of, I mean, all the stuff before you, time travel is fun, but then really But you sort of, I mean, like all the stuff before you time travel is fun, but then that really the meat of it, I feel like,

is, you know, we're on it. We're on it. We go back in time. I think I went to you said, I hope we go back in time. I think there was a moment of fear where it's like, are we just like gonna be here? Yeah, for a second I wasn't sure. I was like, are we just gonna be like

looking at the wreckage the whole time? Like, I mean, I didn't think so, but I was like wanting, yeah. yeah yeah we were really desperate to get a little bit on the ship yeah I didn't look like you're giant now now you're tiny and let's go in and look at all the right like let's look at the rooms that are sitting at the bottom of the ocean for a hundred years but then but but you do you go back and you were suddenly does it start with you have to like get your boarding yeah you're gonna walk across the bridge the scale of that was and you were suddenly, does it start with, you have to like get a ticket. You're boarding, yeah.

Yeah, you gotta walk across the bridge. Which the scale of that was kinda cool because you're like, did that bother your fear of heights? Because we were like high up on like a bridge to get up, to board the Titanic. You're looking down, you're seeing the tiny people, you're seeing the expansive ocean. Yeah, that was pretty amazing.

That was a bit of like a thrill. Yes, I agree. I cried, we all cried at that, didn't we? We all cried, we held hands and cried. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so of course. No, it wasn't just you, I promise. You wave, you do the famous waving. We were waving, yeah.

I was excited about this. The thing when people wave, that people would go just wave, what are you doing today? I'm gonna go wave at a ship that I'm not getting on. Yeah. Yes, you know what it is? And this is probably not, this is not,

I don't wanna pitch, plus I guess I will pitch a plus up already. Going up there, I was like, are we about to experience a tragedy simulator in the sense that could that be the primary emotion they want you to feel? That was not what they were going for. It was very-

I wouldn't have minded that. No, I wouldn't have either. I would have enjoyed that. That's what I wanted honestly, is to have that experience. I wanna be on it as it's sinking. I want fake avatars running by me to try to save their own lives.

We should have interacted with people we got to know and then lost them. I'm being serious. Oh yeah, no, I was warning you. That is what. More like a video game where you get the opening of a video game where you'll get attached to a couple characters.

And then we're with them on their narrative. Right. Instead, who was leading us around? It was kind of like... Different men. But what would it have been like in us around? It was kind of like. Different men. It was different. But what would it have been like in real life? Because it wasn't like we were guests in the Titanic.

It was like we had signed up for like a tour of the Titanic. Right. Yeah. And so we didn't really connect with anybody emotionally. We had tickets. We had tickets, that's why we scaled tickets. And we put them in a little box, which was fun. That was fun.

Ish. Ish. Ish. Ish. Ish, yes, exactly. But then we went on, yeah, there were different men telling us things. I like the different men.

They were attractive. There's something a little weird about them because a couple times I would get really close to them and they're like polygrams basically. Yeah. And like they put enough like natural like movement, like so their heads are just kind of moving a little bit and their eyes are moving

and I would get right up next to them. And I kind of expect them to just like look at me and be like, why are you staring at me? So I liked getting close to the men. I love getting close to holographic men. I got close to that woman on the stairs. We're both just trying to hook up. Well, I don't know.

I said my face hasn't been that close to another woman's face in many other than like a commercial audition. You did make this point. Yeah, that as long time married men, you rarely have the novelty of getting extremely close to another face. It doesn't even have to be a sexual thing. Being super close to a face is interesting. Let's all share a mic for the rest of this.

Let's all touch cheeks. We could touch cheeks. But it is interesting, because you're just not used to invading a person's space like that. You felt like you were kind of in someone's personal space. It was like you took like an invisible potion, and you're like kind of messing around and seeing what you can get away with,

because none of the characters are acknowledging you. They're speaking to you, but they're not acknowledging you. Right, and yes, and the void thing is different, because that was a very, although they were all action-heavy stories, so it wasn't ever like people were just standing blankly like just repeating emotion You don't just walk up to Captain America and look into his mirror

There's like a battle going on and they weren't just like standing like sadic And we like walked up to them or anything things were happening. There's definitely a lot of just bobbing you're right There's a lot of just kind of like gentle swaying So it comes about that you're like I like I paid for this is like a Titanic situation, but everything I'm interested in is what has nothing to do with Titanic. Is sexual. Yeah, it was sexual.

It was sexual? Yes, the random men in the coal room, and then Mike. Oh, that sweaty coalman. Oh, the coal room was fun, by the way, because you went up a ladder. You got stuck up there. Yeah, what happened to you in the ladder?

That was very weird. We were down below There was a guy shoveling coal. Yeah, so we went in there and they're explaining coal I'm of course not listening. All I'm thinking about is what can I do in here to mess something up? What am I doing? Because it's the same instinct I had when I played golden eye 64 for the first time is we were just like can we blow stuff up in here? Yeah, as soon as like you show me that most people I think to play video games like what can I mess up? So I'm looking around, they're explaining how the ship works with coal. And then I see a ladder, I swear that had like an arrow or something pointing up. It had the hand prints that would pop up. So I went over there, nobody told me to do

it. I don't know why it's in there if nobody said it, but I went over there and I just started going like this with my hands. And all of a sudden I move up the ladder And then I'm above everybody now. I know I'm not for real and I did look I knew it wasn't happening But I looked out just to orientate You're hanging from the ceiling of Uniclo somehow The weirdest the weirdest part of it was then I could see everybody below and everybody was small Yes, and everyone's name was there and That's scary. And it was weird. And Marissa was in front of me and then she walked under me.

Jesus. Oh, he doesn't even mean. This bothers me. That's when I had to look because I was like, what are the, what's the geography in real life to this? That is so weird. That is crazy.

It was really weird. And I said, you were just like, I think, three feet in front of me walking. Like you were looking down and seeing the top of my head. You were maybe a little bit. Like we were waving at you up and you were looking down and seeing us waving. But we're all just standing on the floor. We're obviously very close.

So I was just like, I was getting very, I think the reason I looked especially was I was getting paranoid that I was going to step on you or something. Not jump off of it, but like I was going to step on your foot or something because we were too close. We did bump a few times. Yeah, they did not keep us apart from each other. And I tried, yes, we were hitting each other. I tried to get down too, but then at a certain point it just blacked out and we went somewhere else.

You got stuck up on a catwalk. I got stuck up on a catwalk and I kept trying to like move my hands like down and I couldn't figure out what it was. Why does this stress me? I think only one person, just dimensional fears one person is weird. I think dimensional fears, I like, it's like being trapped in like a cube and I can't like.

Yeah, it's like, it's another plane, yeah. If a child, if that red avatar child climbed up to the catwalk. Climbed up with you? Well, if he climbed up with me, all bets are off what he would have done. He would have pushed me off the catwalk probably. But like if somebody was up there and they weren't obeying the rules of the catwalk,

easily they would have bumped into somebody that was under in the reality of it. That's what, so yeah, it was weird. That was the only time that something like that happened too. I tried to climb up there after you were up there and it would not allow me. So I think it might only let one person. That's the fail safe.

One only. Well, that was scary. I wanted to meet you up there. Can we talk about the stairs? Yes. Oh yeah, the stairs. The stairs were insane. I hated every part of it.

I did not understand it. I took my glasses off, and I walked across the stairs. This is one of the most horrifying things I think I've experienced in anything like this. It's supposed to be the grand staircase of the Titanic, the iconic grand staircase. Iconic set piece from the movie. We all know.

Where Jack is waiting for young Rose after she passes away. Sorry if that's a too early- Oh yeah, when her heaven is Titanic. Right, all of us, you go to the place that your friend died when you, yeah, I know, I was the most excited, like, oh, getting to be there and feeling what that space is like.

And then instead, this nightmare, because what the Mike thing has established is that you can go up and down but that Just equals moving in a different way Right, so you're being like coaxed forward and the group is all moving and your guide is moving So you got to figure it out fast. Yeah, I got to walk down these stairs. But what does this mean? There's no stairs here. I know this so I guess it's just moving forward, so you just start, it's bothering me so palpably as I'm describing it, the weird sensation

of I'm walking forward, but it's also moving me down, and I'm kind of curving, because it's a curved, I'm never gonna enjoy that staircase again. If I watch Titanic again, I would've been like, fuck that place, I went there and I hated it. I don't know if we've kind of said that the void, so the void actually had anything that you could see generally, you could touch in the void.

They'd have actually like a box that would simulate like the computer that you were touching. That's a real thing. Right, and so like we went into- A lot of apples. There would have been apples for real. You could throw them in there, yeah. Apples, pencils.

We went into Dr. Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum and there was a rail, do you remember that? There was a rail as we're walking down, we did a whole staircase. Oh, a spiral staircase, that's right. A spiral staircase, which was I think the coolest part of it. It's a real physical stairs. And there was, no, not real physical stairs though.

But there was a railing to kind of ground yourself to it. So you put your hand on the railing, and you walked. And I don't know how they did it, but it felt like we were going down a spiral staircase in a big house. And I've never questioned it until now. In my head, I'm like, I went down a spiral staircase in a big in a big house What and I've never questioned it until now in my head. I'm like I went down a spiral stair No, of course we didn't here. We're walking down a staircase where it was the most jarring Tiny steps for six feet and then that you've gone down

It was probably six steps and it was like the scariest moment I had to just close my eyes and just step forward six times. I liked it. Oh man, of course. And I'm not trying to be a show off again, but initially it was weird. Initially it was weird. And then there was a-

You got a little taste on the ladder and you wanted more. Yes, I think I was feeling bold and I was feeling excited. And I think that once that happened, it felt like this weird little ride that I was going on. So once the first two or three steps were down, I kind of was enjoying how strange it was.

It gave me- And it was two sets. Two sets, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yeah. Yes. Oh yeah, you had to do it again. You had to do it again. And then turn and then do another set. Oh, it was not-

The landing. Yeah, but the void had solved some of these problems by having practical things there. Yeah, right. And there's nothing in there you could, nothing in there you could actually physically touch. For a listener, if you have no idea this experience that were, or the sensation that we're just getting,

the closest thing I could explain is when you're, if you get bugged out when you're walking down an escalator that isn't moving, and the other one is, it's similar to that, when you get that weird little like, bug out of like, I am expecting the sensation of I am moving like an escalator or the car wash moving around you. Yes. It makes you think about the airport walkway. Is that in that world at all?

It would be, I feel like I haven't had that on that. It would, maybe it would be if there was one right next to it that was moving. Like at City Walk in Orlando. Right. Yeah. There's a bunch of them next to each other. Yes. But I've never bugged out on the, it would only one was broken. Yeah, I would get the weird sensation.

But if that helps explain the kind of thing. Why does an escalator feel so weird when it's not, when it stares? I have no idea. I'm sure there's a good essay about this. Yeah, it really, I like if there's another way to do it, I will always take that way. Yeah, and I hate having to do that with a child who's like a little edgy on escalators anyway. Yeah. Like bug head. Oh, I stress that with a child on an escalator. Right, okay. My son's pants got stuck in a moving walkway at the airport.

Oh, nightmare. Oh, nightmare. No. We were hopping. We were, I mean, they're fast and loose in an airport anyway. You're just praying to make it through and we're on the moving walkway. I thought this would get a little bit of morale that we needed, so desperately needed was the moving walkway.

And then there was some issue. were starting to temperature was starting to rise everybody started to get a little squabbly and he ran forward and he tripped and he fell at the edge where the moving walkway ends and his shorts got stuck in it so we had to like rip them free and he had like holes in his pants he needed new pants of course I didn't have any they were in check bag so those are those can be dangerous those are scary oh that's an embarrassing thing This is my daughter's favorite thing to do at CityWalk Hollywood is go on the escalators Oh wow. That's her number one thing. Those are scary. Those are the favorite ride at Universal.

Well, that's at Universal proper. I'm talking about the mall outside of Universal. He takes his daughter doesn't go to the theme park just goes to the escalator before in the mall before you get into the cheaper She and she she goes can we go to City Walk and Disneyland? She thinks they're like similar as far as the level and we were going over there have warped your daughter Just like you warped our audience Wielding on ungodly power We were in the car with my sister going to City Walk to, that's

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people from the title. Like everybody, even like the captain, he had like a white beard. I'm like, this white bearded 75 year old captain is somehow hot. They made everybody quite hot. It was a Dilf City. It was Dilf City.

No lie, Dilf City. Did you look at your ticket in the beginning, our ticket to board the title, it said Dilf City. Destination Dilf City. That's why I never said my name is locked. Departing for Dilf City. Destination Dilf City. Destination departing for? I still have my ticket. Can you guys see it? No, we can't see it.

Only you can. No. But then, like, so we do one set of stairs. OK. I think I'll be OK. One more. Now I know how it works. I think it'll be fine.

I take three weird steps that don't go down. And then all of a sudden, red avatar, red avatar. And he is not just skittering by he stays yeah, yeah Like what is going on kid? This is the wrong place? I'm the most like the weird like we do rides all the time This is I'm starting to get the most motion sick. I am anyway, and now I'm stuck behind scary little red I'm a starter. This is this is where it started turning for me a little bit at him This is this is where it started turning for me a little bit

What are you doing kid I think you or something I think we there was only one kid who was all the always the red Everywhere and I would look you know what I realized I think I looked and I was like where are his parents? Where are these red avatars? And I was like, where are his parents? Where are these red avatars parents? And they were far away. They were smoking cigarettes in the corner of Uniclow. You see their red avatars smoking. But they were not keeping you like, hold his hand or something. Yeah, at that point.

Oh, wait, we forgot to mention the one thing, gimmicky thing that I thought was cool. They showed us our bunk room. And I thought that was pretty fun. Oh, yeah. They had a faucet that you could, you did the faucet. And then water came out. And you could pretend to wash your hands and could you did the faucet and the water came out you could pretend to wash your hands and then turn off the faucet. It's all part of me. I'm like it is 20,

25. Like don't do this until it is pristine. I want my hands to feel wet. Yeah. Oh yeah. It's just a little like 20, oh five. I sat on a toilet but I had to do I had to fill in the guy. I had to hunch and then there wasn't one There for me there was no toilet. There was no no Not even oh not even simulated shit on the Titanic. I remember Yeah that I have control over the game can't tell me to not poop for me What I if you could have just if we could have first of all had the real champagne when we came in because when you go Up the on my ship we got a glass of champagne if you could have first of all had the real champagne when we came in, because when you go up onto the ship. We got a glass of champagne.

Glass of champagne. If you could have actually had the champagne. I don't know if you could have done stuff where the characters are like, maybe you could have actually had other human performers playing the characters in real life or something. Go to your room, hang out for a second, more champagne. Go to dinner, have a little dinner,

sit down with the talk to the people on the boat. Full VR dinner where it's steak and you cut into it and you get a bite. We did a Titanic escape room that was phenomenal. Oh right. And it had more of a narrative. Where like, I think that actually would have been great if it was like we had a storyline.

Like we're meeting a family and somebody's like, I'm hoping that I get the job in the big city. Or whatever, like we're meeting people, we're going to dinner with them. Maybe there's some other little side plot that's created by the experience. It's like maybe not historically accurate, but something just to kind of like root us in this story, which we did. I would have loved a dinner. Yes.

Oh yes. Would it kill you to cook us dinner? Would it kill you to cook us dinner? Fever. My fever. Not so much in shops. It would have been an acai bowl, but fine. Not to make it depressing, but

we have a museum on the west side called the Museum of Tolerance where you go through an experience. And at the end of that, you find out whether you survive the Holocaust or not. An element like that, I think, would be cool. Give you a name, yeah. Your character ended up making it on a lifeboat and went on to this or like something like, like make it personal. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Like to, that's not the media, VR being in the environment is not the way to tell us information. Right. That's for you to have a visceral experience, human experience. Sure. It's like, I just think, I know, again, Ish is the right, because I did like it. I told many people in last week to go. If you haven't learned from the show by this point that I was doing a litany of complaints about things does not necessarily mean we're saying you shouldn't do it. If you want to go home to Titanic you can. Choose your own adventure what you want to do on the Titanic but yeah I, I was like, ah, this could have been more impactful. I mean, how many people would get sick,

but how cool would it be if you're on that ship when it breaks in half, and all of a sudden it feels like you're like going to slide down? Well, this is made to fast forward, that you don't, you experience when the iceberg hits. Yes. And that's cool and interesting. And you're up in the captain's court or whatever,

you know, the captain's office. What's it called? The captain's place. I don't know. You're feeling quite nauseated at this point. There was no physical things. Those things weren't physical either, were they? In my head, those are.

So those are kind of realistic. That like ch-ching thing and the wheel. Now you were remembering it as physical, which is interesting. I am. We pulled a thing and it made a horn sound. Yes. A horn sound only we could hear. Oh, that was an early phone?

Because I made a big thing about, look what I'm doing and then I was like, oh, the noise isn't even working. We didn't hear each other's horns. And, side note, I don't know if this is in your notes, when you go into the captain's quarters right before you get hit by the iceberg, there's like three random slices of cake. And I don't know what you're supposed to do them. It's just slices of cake on plates and you could pick them up and they already had a bite cut slices of cake. And I don't know what you're supposed to do them. It's just slices of cake on plates and you could pick them up and they already had a bite cut out of it. But whoever cut it didn't eat it.

Then you can't really like take slices but you can kind of throw it. But then one just resets and refills. That felt like a video game, like collect all 12 slices of cake. Also they're kind of creating a little narrative. Is that why the captain missed correcting the- He had a sweet just-

He set it on autopilot for a second to go get a slice of cake from the dining hall Is that why the captain missed correcting the- He had a sweet just- He just- He sat it on autopilot for a second to go get a slice of cake from the dining hall when he came back. Iceberg too late to turn. Autopilot's just like sticking a broom in the controls. There was a lot of brooms we could pick up too. We were able to sweep the floor. That was actually one of my favorite things, at least to attempt to do was, there was a, the nice man showed us, and this is where we shovel the coal.

Would you like to try your hand at it? And then I picked up a shovel and I shoveled one, there wasn't even a way to shovel coal, you could just shovel, but nothing, so I'm like, all right, now I just wanna walk around with a shovel, and then I walked up behind him and like, could I bash this guy on the back of the head? Yeah.

And then I did the motion of it, which was kind of fun and satisfying. Trying to like clock out a guy, but then nothing happened. Kill the DILF. What if like the... DILF Hunter. DILF Hunter.

What if like pirates have taken over the Titanic and we're in the room with like, and they're like, grab shovels. We gotta take these pirates out. Yeah. Okay. And like, what's, or we do like it's an Inglorious Bastards and we save the Titanic pirates out. Really fun. Okay, and like, or we do like it's in Glorious Basterds and we save the Titanic.

Yes. Yeah. I think I want it to be like an escape room where like we could change history. That would be good too. And then we see Earth's timeline if the Titanic didn't sink. Right.

I love it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, what if it makes you be out of a job? Oh yeah. Because Titanic, the movie didn't get made up. We have to sink the Titanic. Let's go back. Keep it sunk, keep it sunk.

I'm savage-housing everything you do. Oh no, I'm doing this for you, Jim. But the, yeah, I mean, what I was building to, I'll go back to the nonsense, but the, like, what I was starting to get to was that, like, all right, you know, experiencing it hitting is good, but then what you don't get is, we're fleeing for our lives

We got to find a lifeboat. There's none of that. There's none of that Yeah So you do everything everything visceral as you've said my everything that would probably leave you with kind of chilling feelings Yeah, it does not occur and maybe some somebody might say like isn't it more tasteful to not see the suffering Yeah, but like I don't know you want any want some of the like pass the violin players or something Yeah, yeah, and I don't know how much of it is like how much is movie they can't do, but still, you could do something.

Oh, join them, play violin with them. Yeah, just get some free music. It was probably like we need fifth graders to be able to do this. Because the way we learned history, we didn't learn the nuances oftentimes, at least where I was raised. Like you learn a very basic version of it.

So I guess probably they were like, we gotta make sure some kids can come through and they're not traumatized. So that's why it kind of is like the middle of the road. And a lot of ways. Well then maybe there should have been two tracks, like a kid track that skips the horror. And then we could be on grownup track.

Right. And traded. Where you watch people get hit by a piano. Exactly. You can kill anyone, you can make out with anyone. Exactly. Anything goes on this adult track of the Titanic VR. It's a booze cruise.

It's a booze cruise. Go wild, home party at eight, you're there. Drunk for real? You're drinking for real. Drinking for real. One of the three notes I made after it was over was Titanic after dark. Oh yes, okay. Oh yeah, there we go. All bets are off. The three notes I made after it was over was Titanic after dark.

Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. All bets are off. Okay, so like you think there's some people when they heard the ship is sinking, we have an hour left to live. Yeah. You think like they got to be on the boat. Invite all the seamen into my room.

Party in John. Just to find the unsinkable Molly Brown and take off her coat and then her coat under that coat and then the under and then the unbuckle every bit of the corset and then start removing all eight of the skirts. I'm seeing Kathy Bates and I'm liking what I'm seeing. You're looking happy.

Okay, great. But then instead, and so let me. Oh, Molly went down that day. It's the unsinkable, but. Molly finally went down. But the moment where, it literally becomes the opposite of this, and I don't know if you guys felt the same way, but it is just where things started to go south for me, was that the,

then they lead you to the dining room. And in the dining room, you meet kind of all the, like, esteemed people who put it together. It's like there's the captain, and then there's like the designer of the ship, and then there's somebody else similar, and they're all- The League of Dylfs. But they're there to talk, they're there to explain,

and you just get into a rhythm that's kind of like, well, the important thing was the ballast because to have such a heavy ship would be, it's never been attempted before, yeah you don't want to listen to this at all. And then this, and then I had just come through, I think in the order of things, I had just passed through the stairs of doom and it starts to hit me like, oh this is, I'm wavering, I am definitely getting a little like, oh my God, do I have to like bail on the headset? And this is not a super common thing for me.

I got it a little bit on the Ratatouille ride when we were there in Epcot a little while ago, but it's really not common. And I'm chalking it up to just another to compare to The Void, that The Void was like 15 minutes max. It was short, yeah. And I think, and where, I think in the timeline of things, I'm about half an hour in, and there's never been stabilizing, there's never been rails. Nothing to touch. And it just happens to be kicking in while I'm, here's where it really hit me, it was like, okay, so the guy, and then the guy's talking about how the Titanic was designed, and then you kind of doodle-a-doot, doodle-a-doot, you go to like a room of blueprints or something.

And then you come, instead of progressing onward, you go back to the dining room, and the guy's like, I'm pretty in 400 of those, and that's how we finished it. Now for our next speaker. You said out loud, I think you like yelled like, we're back here? Oh God.

So it was nothing to do when they were talking. There's a bunch of tables of free time. We were just like fucking around with all the tables. We were going to look at the menus and knock things off the tables and fuck with the food and look at the faces and get close to people. It was like we were the kids at the dinner party where it was like, we have to get out of here right now. Like our boredom has exceeded.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll put it in parent terms. Yeah, the kids were like, the kids are doing pretty well. They're actually, and then all of a sudden they are not. They are not doing well. They have got to expend some energy. They got to run around. These guys are bouncing off the walls.

We got to get the hell out of here. The parenting experience. Yeah, yeah, it's been canceling. But then, like, so I did have a moment of like, do I need to be done? And I did kind of like on and off a little bit. And I'm like, I'm starting to waver. And I'm telling you, Mike, in that moment, that is where I started looking at you. That's where that strong,

comforting body and I knew I couldn't ask for this because it would just be a, I would just like bump into you and it would be weird and clunky. But I really, I was like, I don't know. Like I, I, I just needed like, I needed support and comfort in that moment. I felt very vulnerable. And what I wanted was your avatar. Yes, that's exactly it. I'm like, I want to be cradled. It would have helped me so much in that shaky moment.

If your avatar somehow knew and just came up to me and just put his arms, it was almost like a God figure. Well, you were talking about being attracted to those, cause I think arousal sometimes is a trauma response. I'm saying I'm being serious, I think. So maybe you were like, you're those people who fucked up cause the day was going down.

You were trying to calm yourself down and you got a little horny and the thing you saw was my avatar. I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're just, you're heated in various ways and you're feeling too much in the room spinning. You're like, I needed a ballast. I'm like, what can we release? What can we release to make you calm now?

I just wanna grip onto this thing. My nervous system needs to be overridden by a sensation. You know what you guys need, if you're gonna do VR stuff in the future, which I'm sure you will, you need some kind of code that will be discernible even with an avatar that's your help signal. And then you'll know, come in for the hug.

Oh. So like a special word, like daddy. A special word. I need to know what the- Daddy. I think daddy. Daddy over daddy. Do you just say daddy?

We are in the worst area. This is the kind of thing we talk about on the show a lot. Scott doesn't necessarily like when we go in this zone. Well, have you guys hooked up? I don't know your total history. No, no, no. Okay. Not yet, but the closest that closest it came I think was was this

It can't be daddy for me because there's things like that we've there'll be weird things said like Does Mickey think of Walt Disney as daddy? You're my daddy That's like what people will wonder. No, this is what Mike says. Oh, you'll suppose that? This is what Mike primarily says. Jason too.

And there's this new thing where everybody says, I'm a little naughty VR boy every fucking episode. Oh, okay. Your grim is saying, you as a newcomer, that doesn't sound good to you, does it? No, it doesn't. That's right. Okay, well we need to remember this. I don't hate it.

Well yeah, but you're a known pervert. Why are you only asking her? You're a little odd terms boy. That's right. Okay. Well, we need to remember this. I don't hate it I don't know what it would be maybe I'm thinking of it because the other thing that was providing me comfort in because I was still shaky in the cabinet's room and Like the the calmness of the task of picking up the cake. So maybe I need to maybe I'll just say cake okay okay I need to know what the energy I need cake okay okay okay okay it needs to be I guess I'll I guess I'll listen to how it's being said because I need to know the energy of what the hug is all about okay I just need to know you can practice I hug freely just so you know I know my avatar is not as hot but I can't find your fault it's not I wish I'd known that then. You need to be six two or above. I would've taken you up on it then.

Just so you know, I'm usually sweaty. Is it attracted to you? Is it looked down like in like, I'm trying to think like in the furry community, obviously they have actual physical costumes. Right. The fursona is, but would it be forbidden to be like VR furries?

Is that a whole different sect? A whole different section of the- You just don't actually have it on? Right, but I, because in the similar way where you're like- You can't feel any fur. Yeah, you may wanna feel the fur. Right, but maybe there's more like a virtual furry scene as well, or a virtual avatar scene.

I wonder if there is, you end up being attracted to just the virtual version of something. I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure, yes. There's something for everyone. Yes. All I know is whatever it is, whatever the clinical name for it is, I think we all felt it about your blue out.

I can't take any credit. That's none of my business as far as I'm concerned. That's why I feel comfortable saying it. I feel like it doesn't. I can look you in the eyes and say it's not, because there's a barrier there. I had nothing to do with it. Not that I think plenty of listeners

might be rooting for us to hook up. So if this is like, you know, starting to. Basically there's unresolved sexual tension for the three of us on the show. That's hot. We wanna see the three go at it. Until the show is over though, we can't do it cause then it ruins it, you know.

It'll be those weird seasons after. It's like moonlighting, if you're old enough to remember moonlighting. Many shows have made the mistake of having the character, the will, they won't, a. Once it happens. Did you sneak a little headset on your way out so that you can get a peek at what was getting you so hot and bothered?

Or like a pet canic? Or like a sea mic this way. Try to take picture like in your ear. Inside, yeah. Try to take a photo to see. Would that have worked to do that? I recorded a little audio that way. Oh really, okay.

The picture, I don't know. It would have been bad. It would have been bad, but maybe it would have captured a little of it. I don't understand what the hell was going on in there. I was bummed that you couldn't take pictures, just take pictures. Of what you were seeing. Yeah, that was how I would have remembered stuff. That's why I had to say something.

But no, that's not gonna make him much like Jack Tarrose. He lives only in my memory now. There's not even a picture of him, but he changed me in every way. But it wouldn't be cool if there was like a little, on like your thing, if you could push that and it could take a screenshot. Yeah, yeah.

And then you could like, we could show you what you looked like. Yes, that would've been cool. They were gonna have to go back, let's all go do it again. The void had. Let's go do it and take pictures. The void had like, yeah, like a end of ride photo,

but we haven't started video. We get it, you like the void more than us. We do like the void. The void was better. The void that we did that you guys didn't get to do. Have we mentioned the void? That was really the thing. You wouldn't like it.

That's what we really like. That would be funny if they did take a souvenir picture of us and it's just like, we're all just like this. Yeah. I took some video of us just like moseying about and it looks so pathetic. Yeah, it's not even, yeah. It's humiliating to be seen in that way. No, I didn't hate it.

No, no, and all of this to say that, yeah, we honestly didn't, I could see, I think there's the argument that there could be more visceral stuff, but we should say what happens to you instead. Like the shit starts going down, and that's kind of exciting. But where it ends up heading is that when the shit's starting to hit the fan,

suddenly you kind of astral project out of there, and you realize that you are on a lifeboat. Yeah. So you made it, first of all, and it's the four of us and we are wandering around a lifeboat that has space for the many poor people. It's a huge boat. It's really big.

A huge boat. It gives you the sense of the space of that boat and the empty space that is not being used because we are just escaping. And then that is a really creepy thing because you're just with a kind of a scared, jittery, I don't know, I mean, whoever, like crew members. Just like-

He was acting harder than anybody we had encountered up to that point. Right. He was showing some real emotion. Showing some real emotion. And just from his perspective, you watch him kind of, you watch, I was more interested in watching him watch the ship go down.

But then it's all like, it's not really realistic because it doesn't just kind of happen in a speed round, like in order to contain it in that point of the. Yeah, the ship's in the background. Does it break or does it just, I feel like it just sank, I don't remember. They showed it breaking and going under, and we cheered. I don't know. That sounds about right.

I still remember that, but I believe it. Exactly. I think it was like, oh yeah, we saw it. It's happening. That's what's happening, but I think it came out, which I remember thinking, wow, that felt really weird to be cheering. And what assholes we must seem like to the employees, unless everybody's cheering all day every day.

I'm sure, I'm sure. But then like, okay, so they're doing kind of a speed round of the ship sinking and that's how this will play out and all right. But then something starts happening. There's some magical essence that starts flowing through the seascape. And that is these like little white beams of light that almost feel like snowflakes or something that start rising up to the sky and we slowly Realize is this how they are representing the souls of the dead?

Ascending to a higher plane And then you start seeing some some of them land and you see photos of the specific Characters, but then sometimes it'll be a real person seemingly next to somebody who looks like they're from the the 2001 Final Fantasy movie We're like it's a sad sepia photo of a now dead extremely digital person Yeah, and it's hard to feel emotion when you're like, they're so shiny. Yeah The whole thing like if maybe we had run across them during the experience, maybe we would have a little more. Well, I felt some, like it showed the captain, didn't it?

Oh, maybe. Like the captain we met. But there was a lot of souls out there. There were, there were a lot of souls. Yeah. Yes, and they were all going up. Uh-huh. They all made, they were all good people.

Did any of you go to hell? I guess you wouldn't have been able to see. There's red balls of light going down. Definitely that red avatar, he's going to hell. That kid. Where they came up from. Yeah. So it was, I'm trying to think, like it was, it took a second to figure out what was going on, but it was, it felt very, they were trying to be respectful. They're making money off this disaster, this horrible disaster. But like, this is their, this is their tribute, I suppose, and this is like the nice moment. But I still, in that moment I couldn't help but think of the mannequins with the VR glasses

on. Which to me felt like a joke at the time. It felt like a joke, a weird way to start with the experience. And then it ends with this tribute. And I was like, I'm not sure they know what their tone is here. They haven't found their voice yet. Yeah, what's the voice as artists, whatever. Is that how it ended?

I don't remember how it, like does it just present? Turned my fever, thanks for coming. And then it goes away. And you realize, oh wow, I'm back at the front. If you have mesothelioma in eight months, we are not liable for your Dr. Mills. And then we gone out, and then we like went to, is there anything to take a picture of?

And what we found was and then we like went to is there anything to take a picture of and what we found was It says Titanic. There's a big big letters and there's a table with an old book and an old newspaper But then I really wow this is kind of pathetic for this is the photo we get yeah But me still feeling a little bit woozy I'm like it feels so good to hold this physical book That felt like really the comfort I need I mean like the lack of getting to like be in the arms of your avatar Yeah, touching this book was something that ground me sure yeah, yeah, yeah

Steady and sense um and then we feel like and then I think I feel like we're all like to some extent Maybe nobody got it as bad as me, but we're all a little having to dial back to reality. It also was a little bit of that when you come out of a movie and it's daytime, there was a little bit of that coming out, we're kind of like long blinks and adjusting to the bright lights of the mall, the mall sounds, I get that's kind of a different sensory experience that we were having a little whiplash from.

Definitely. I was like, I can't drive. I need a second. And I thought about getting food to ground myself. And then we all ended up at this expensive smoothie place. Yeah. And you guys got smoothies. And I was like, I know I need some, but these are wild. I mean, how were those smoothies?

They were like a Saïe bowl. I found it to be like, you know when you do something, I always remember the first time I had a beet and goat cheese salad because it was after I went horseback riding and it was really scary and it was like the best salad I had ever had. This was like the best a Cy-Bowl smoothie I'd ever had because I was so like, I had survived this kind of

harrowing experience so then I was like in every bite I was like this is really, really good. Wow, wow, like Tom Hanks drinking water with ice after being a castaway. Absolutely. Yeah, wow. He has the crab leg. God, I love that little moment alone with him.

Yeah, yeah. You guys probably didn't notice, when you were getting your bowls, I ran over to the jewelry store across the hall to get my ring size. Because I do that once a year, because I can never remember. But I wrote it down this time. I'm a little 11. OK.

Wow. OK. Why do you need your ring size? I don't want to tell you, because you'll make fun of it down this time. I'm 11. Okay. Wow. Okay. Why do you need your ring size? I don't want to tell you because you'll make fun of it on the pond. Why are you getting your ring size? This will carry over to a different podcast. I've never seen you wear a ring.

I've never worn a ring. But? I didn't notice that you, that's a weird thing to go off and have done that I didn't catch at all. I kind of have a craving to wear like a vintage class ring. So I've been looking for them on eBay. Okay. From what class? often have done that I didn't catch at all. I kind of have a craving to wear like a vintage class ring. So I've been looking for them on eBay.

OK. From what class? I don't care. It has to look cool. Just like a, yeah, some random class ring. Why not get your own class? I didn't. I have so long.

This is for our pod. Am I the only one that thought the headsets got a little painful after a while? Like, I started to not love having it on. You didn't want the thing. It was a little like heavy. It was like kind of like when we had to not love having it on. I just didn't want nothing. It was a little heavy. It was kind of like when we had to wear masks all the time. It was kind of like that, like, ugh.

A little bit, yeah. I mean, by the end, there was so much about it that I wasn't liking. I'm sure the discomfort of the mask maybe was part of it. I've never done anything that was so magnificent. The techno, like the first time, because I'd never done VR before. Oh yeah.

You put on that, you were looking at your hands, you're looking at the world, it is like truly awe inspiring. It's not as good as the void. I've heard that. You can just reiterate again. Awe inspiring and equally boring. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Cool and lame.

It's like the yin and yang of everything. And then you think about like how much money went into creating this whole experience and like how much did this cost? Can you tell us? I think it depends on the day. I think it was a little pricey for Sunday, but that, you know, for convenience, that's good.

I think it can be anywhere from like, I don't know, like, like in the 20 to 30 range. I think, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But she even feels cheap for how much I imagine it costs to produce. And then you do it and you're like, this was like a, we shouldn't have these. Like this is like a waste of time.

Excess. Because that much work and energy. I would have rather walked around a Uniqlo for an hour with you guys. It was, for something that was like, looked like so much work went into it, so much energy, and then for it to be like, I mean, it was kind of fine. It just seems like so disproportionate.

But I feel like you could say that about movies a lot of the time, too. Sure, yeah. So many people came together, they spent hundreds of millions of dollars, and you're like, we would think about that with Avatar. We're like, people are gonna decide in an hour. Some people are gonna be like, mm, and other people like it. And you've like, we spent eight years on that.

Well, that's a test. Luckily no one on Earth said meh. Only someone with true hate in their heart would ever say meh. That is the test. Would you rather do this, see that movie, do that experience, or be walking around a Uniqlo? And your answer will always fall on one side or the other. Ooh, the Uniqlo test. The Uniqlo test.

Yeah, it's like the Bechdel Ooh, the Uniqlo test. The Uniqlo test. From now on, that's a good test. Yeah, it's like the Bechdel test, the Uniqlo test. Yes. That's hard, because Uniqlo sells Andy Warhol t-shirts, and I'm a big fan. They also have that interesting checkout system where you don't scan your items. Have you done that?

Have you done that? Oh, talk about VR. I mean, it's like a VR shopping experience. You do this now? You put your items that you just shop freely, shopping, shopping, shopping, and then you put them in like a bowl. You just throw them in a bowl.

It's a bowl, yeah. And then it just tells you what you pay. It somehow reads them, scans them. Wow. Yes. Like the Amazons? Wow, wow. And the first time I did it, mine was like $40 over.

And I'm like, I know that this is $40 over. And she came over. She threw them all in again, $40 over, took them out, returned each thing. I was there for four times Classic technology increasing convenience, but then making a task take don't get me started Say for his returns or whatever it is I mean yeah, I know what you're saying, but at least this is like, there's something kind of like, you know, for how much technology is evil and trying to solve problems that

aren't there and take away human jobs. There's something like kind of innocently pointless about this. This is like 2002. It's not evil tech, it's stupid tech. And I don't know, I had a fun time with all the ups and downs, and getting to talk about it. I mean, you absolutely have to call this a net positive experience.

Looking back on it from like 25 years in the future, we'll meet here at the same table, and we will reflect on what we went through. And I bet it will feel so darling, how archaic the technology was compared to what we'll be having in the future. The fact, it'll be like a scratch and sniff sticker as far as like technological advancement.

It should already be that conversation. Maybe, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should be better, should be better. But I mean, all told. Greatest eyeball. Long story short, yeah, greatest eyeball. Get yourself to the- I didn't throw up,

you didn't throw up, you didn't get Great. As I go get yourself to the throw Oh, no We got to do it We didn't get home poisoned as far as I can tell and primarily John and Marissa you survived podcast the ride Thank you so much for bringing this to us We never would have done it exactly what we want people to take us to a place that we wouldn't have known about otherwise There's a lot of insane shit to talk about Let's exit through the gift shop.

Or in our case, that's what we say, but what I want to change it to is, let's exit through the way we thought was the way back to our car, but in fact was all the way across the mall. We've all got laws going to our cars. Separately. Let's do that in order to get us to,

if there's anything that you would like to plug. You're the best. Well, we are the host of On Brand with John and Marisa, which is a podcast that comes out every Thursday. And we discuss a new brand each episode. So we have old brands like Blockbuster and then we have new brands like La Boo Boo. So we just like to do a deep dive. And non-traditional brands like Taylor Swift.

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You'll find out why John wants a ring, you know, things like that. Oh, I love that. I mean, I think the smart thing to do is not just plug on another show, but to like leave a clipping or on another. I think that will, that's a great way to learn about it. A story that will get resolved on your show.

A runner in a lot of the episodes is me needling John about things he's bought. And that seems to be a good source of laughs for us because he does have interesting shopping habits. She likes to know why I sleep in jeans. A lot of people do. John sleeps in jeans. Maybe sometimes, sometimes.

Okay, cake. Okay, cake, cake. Okay, see, okay, a lot of people do. John sleeps in jeans. Maybe sometimes, sometimes. Okay, cake. Uh huh, yeah, cake, cake, very cake. So this is the thing, a lot of people don't know this, every successful podcast, one host sleeps in jeans. Wow, that's the secret. As long as you got your jeans sleeping. I would've picked Jason, but that's interesting. I would've picked Jason as the one.

We weren't a jean sleeping thing. Wait, Mike, you don't sleep in jeans? I don't always. Does anything sound worse't sleep in you don't sleep in jeans. Can you? Sleep maybe but accidentally like when you wake up, it's like, oh god Yeah, these off you sleep in jeans voluntarily once in a while It's kind of a like it's to give me like a sleep level up if I can fall asleep just in clothes and sometimes on a couch And then when I get to my bed, it's like ah sleep to things have improved. It's more comfortable. I've shed the layers Oh, I don't know if it's possible to convey this people have been selling me I'm crazy for this lately, but it's like it's giving me

It's to give myself like a second act of my sleep that is more comfortable More kind of just a swaddle The thing where it's like set an alarm clock and a day you get to sleep in and then you get the pleasure of turning off the alarm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little extra. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wow, you like to play little games with yourself. It's been helping. Sleep has been better, honestly, with this. So there's something with the jeans. I don't know. However the jeans strike you. Now let's all just imagine Mike's avatar in jeans. Oh my God. I wish I could. I can't. That However the genes strike you, now let's all just imagine Mike's avatar in genes. For a minute.

I wish I could. I can't. Don't even, that's the strangest thing. You don't know what we're attracted to. I don't know. Well, just, all right. So we would recommend this experience to listeners, but make sure that you go with a six foot four friend

who gets rounded up to be the Adonis that Mike got to be. If you don't have a six foot four friend, don't bother. And if you get scared, the secret word is cake. Cake. We're the only three people that will ever experience the beauty of Mike's avatar. We saw the most beautiful beings ever. It was being puppeted by Mike.

It's a precarious position you're in. What magic. Okay, well, thank you for being here. I'm excited to check out more of the show because it was such a delight to have you here. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you so much for having us. This was so fun.

Such a fun time. Loved it. As for us, for three bonus episodes every month, check out podcast the ride the second gate or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier club three. You'll find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast the ride. Great stuff. This is really fun.

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