Podcast: The Ride - Toontown

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Starting point is 00:00:16 Toontown on today's podcast It's a ride Welcome to Podcast The Ride, hosted by three guys who would typically spend any amount of money at a Disneyland prop auction, but might skip out on bidding on a bunch of peed-on acorns. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined by Jason Sheridan. Hi. Hi. I am, after we introduce our third host, going to ask for clarification on what you're talking about. You know what I'm talking wait a minute you probably know mike carlson hi uh peed on acorns yes uh i think i know what you're talking about i'm saying that there will we're gonna today talk about a bunch of stuff that used to be at mickey's toontown

Starting point is 00:01:18 okay which is closed has just closed this very week and we're reminiscing about the things that aren't there and haven't been there for a very long time and among those things uh there was a thing called chip and dale's acorn crawl oh and it was a ball pit where you had a bunch of you went in a bunch of acorns and presumably i don't know what became of the acorns where they all left this precious disney memorabilia but you can only imagine that the the acorns a lot of them at some point were were peed on now i was just looking for clarification context clues kind of uh led me to that that was probably what you were talking about but i was just making sure there wasn't a famous like and this is the spot they painted yellow because it's next to pluto's dog house

Starting point is 00:01:59 or something oh was there a p yeah maybe there was a p joke maybe they're like there's a laugh-o-gram walt's first movie studio like like maybe there was a p easter egg like a laugh-o-gram logo his voice that one of the early shorts was p crazy and it was just a bunch of barnyard animals all bobbing up and down yep with music as they all like sprayed wobbly 20s cartoon lines of urine yes and then the innovations from that uh he was able to do that horrifying alice in wonderland uh live action was it legal in the 20s to animate piss was that is there a was there a law on the books back then you could actually show urine i don't know i maybe wasn't maybe there are all the rules have to have been different for

Starting point is 00:02:49 the animal i oh that's true yeah fair enough human urine probably but even just sitting in the bowl maybe maybe that's why we're all the animals and the cars and the buildings bouncing up and down to distract all the stationary piss drawings you're sending? I am saying that, yeah. Yeah. Well, now we've alienated any new listener. It's not usually about cartoons of bowls of piss from the 1920s. I'm sorry. where we got to quickly hear as we talk about this children's play area and land that has closed down this very week, several days ago, I believe, for a big refurbishment. All in preparation for the new Disneyland ride, Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway.

Starting point is 00:03:42 That's going to put some new life into mickey's toontown and they're building a whole new facade for that that's already been under construction but also in preparation they're gonna revamp the whole land and take over some kind of dormant areas and refresh them make them nicer so we're losing mickey's toontown for about a year or so and today we wanted to talk about what we're losing, what we have just lost this week. Has it been a mournful week for all of us? Oh, yeah. Although my discovery was that I must have missed the fine print in some of the posts

Starting point is 00:04:18 about the new Toontown that's coming. A lot of it coming back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fresh coats of paints. Oh, I think so no i think it's it's ultimately pretty minor i would say yeah uh but yeah well if you look at the art that exists that they put the kind of vague art of what is coming what they're changing not a lot is gone entirely um and i don't know that they've even clarified every little thing and what's what the

Starting point is 00:04:46 fate of it is but uh most things are are staying i would say yeah i this feels like one of those where they're just gonna they're gonna get to hype up something is like a real like fresh coat of like not fresh coat of paint that's actually even uh minimizing but they're hyping something up as like a reimagining of the area and you're like hey this is the same place this is just like a little bit less decaying like it's it's a little it looks a little bit better than it did yeah a little more green space that's what i'm guessing more play areas right i think that's been a that's come up a few times like yeah little kids love play areas and they keep bulldozing it to build like e-tickets but little kids regardless of technological innovation still like to climb and run through things you know yes yeah which is odd

Starting point is 00:05:34 that they're having to make this adjustment now because it feels like toontown as built in and opened in 1993 was kind of a kid run around jump around play area and sort of a thriving one i feel for a little bit but then ultimately like very quickly every single landmark in it got lawyered out right everything got like legalized out of existence to where it became a progressively less and less fun land yes as you were talking about ball pits uh treehouse uh treehouse only for children like you couldn't an adult couldn't fit in that treehouse right i think you could i i think i may have gone up into that treehouse as an adult i believe so okay yeah for no because i never got reason and with nothing to do Because it was a Treehouse that was supposed to be

Starting point is 00:06:26 It was a slide Right Once and that was it And now it's That hasn't been there In a long time So it's just a flight of stairs Right

Starting point is 00:06:34 So okay So you did go Now because obviously This is closed For a few years now This Chippendale We're talking about What is it

Starting point is 00:06:40 Chippendale's What is it called Chippendale Treehouse Chippendale Thank you. Yes. So that's been closed for a while, I believe. Yes.

Starting point is 00:06:48 But then what was the slide part of it called? It was the Chip and Dale Tree Slide. Right. Before it just became generic. Even though if you look closely on the sign, it's still Chip going down a slide and Dale crawling with some acorns so they still they're doing things that you yourself could not do right uh-huh so yeah i i that's you know there's one of those that's one of those things where like you see an old artifact of disneyland uh uh that's

Starting point is 00:07:18 still kind of stand that is still standing and then you can't do it like they have they still for many years while we were going uh had the skyway station kind of in the back you would have to know that where it was but it's still kind of like taunting me so i do feel when i would go to toontown i go well i can't go in this anymore but it's right here this is an experience i didn't get to have well yeah and i mean even maybe even bigger than the tree house was the jolly trolley which is now just parked right and it's like oh it's a mode of transit it just goes around the land yeah was the joke okay so yeah if you don't know we're talking about the jolly trolley it's uh is it from roger rabbit is the design it's ever been in anything vaguely necessarily but it's roger rabbit s yeah right

Starting point is 00:08:02 but it's just basically just a big uh big it's not trolley i guess it's a trolley that's the trolley i think in the early days it would kind of bounce up and down like we're talking about the old fleischer cartoons and old yeah kind of kind of wobbled back and forth so it was not just it was like the the you know the street cars on main street but more cartoonified with wobble and it's back and forth it was a silly little ride that you would take but then there were two conjoined trolleys and the second one would sometimes derail or get disconnected from the other so they stopped doing that so it just became the. But then that was just for anybody driving it.

Starting point is 00:08:45 It was just a constant like honk honk. I don't know if it was a cartoon honk to get people out of the way. More of a auga. But it only takes you through places where pedestrians already are. Which is a common thing in Disneyland, by the way. Rides that just go over where pedestrians. Those must all be so frustrating for the like you know main street or the trolley that's now in uh california adventure you gotta

Starting point is 00:09:12 just your whole job is just yelling at people get out of the way for like yeah 60 years they've just been like okay we're gonna take a horse and we're gonna walk it through a bunch of people like we're gonna make this horse walk through a crowd and they've been doing that every day since the park has been open basically or psychologically i think the main street trolley and the california adventure trolley the size is much bigger and certainly when you have one of those massive horses pulling it people i think more naturally get out of the way the jolly trolley a little compact to convince people to move, you know? That's interesting. Can I ask you as a man who likes a slow mode of transportation, trolley versus train,

Starting point is 00:09:56 is it just that a train can go a very far length at far distance? Oh, I think... Or is trolley, is that the distinction? I think trolleys tend to be more like open air, although I tend to be above ground. Isn't it about how they're powered in a way? Is that what it is? Yeah, the lines above. Yes, or below, potentially.

Starting point is 00:10:13 Because there are, I think Philadelphia, the SEPTA transit system has like a subway, but there are above ground trolley cars that are enclosed. The trolley at the Americana. Yes, that's a trolley. the americana yes that's a trolley correct yeah and nothing is pulling it like it's its own it's get or it's either getting its power i don't know where it actually is it a little how is the americana trolley powered small nuclear engine in the base of the yeah that car i could blow any day i'm gonna be careful yeah um so well i look we'll we'll do some research into this, and we'll come back to trolley versus

Starting point is 00:10:48 train. But do you have a, I mean, you like trolleys and trains and twains as in riverboat and That's true. I like all of them. I think I like trains because, like, they're nice and long. Mm-hmm. It's a long, I like to get comfortable. I love the train from the Pacific Surfliner that runs the coast of California.

Starting point is 00:11:11 Yes. Santa Barbara down to San Diego and many stops in between. Terrific. Yeah. Yeah. So, you really subscribe to the it's the journey, not the destination sort of philosophy of life. Like, literally, you like the journey not the destination uh sort of philosophy of life like literally you more you like the journey itself oh yeah i love a long uh train trip i

Starting point is 00:11:32 love a i like a long flight if everything's going well if like you know you like a long flight that's crazy i like i well i like to like shame you here but that's insane if no one is kicking my seat and children aren't screaming and adults aren't being children um uh yeah it's you can just sit and read a book you know you can kind of watch you can watch movies you you aren't really connected unless you pay for the internet you're not really like i see where you're yeah i know what you mean i've gotten like good little stretches of writing or reading and uh you know if the the alcohol situation isn't crazy expensive or uh you can like it can be kind of a good like all right you you tune everything out and uh um unplug a little

Starting point is 00:12:19 but yeah there's been plane rides where i was like, I think I specifically enjoyed that ride. Not often, but. I'm trying to. I'm struggling. Maybe the flight to Japan on Japan Airlines was. Not back. We know back was not good. No, we've heard. We've heard from me before.

Starting point is 00:12:36 Back was not good. But still, no, I am not a big fan of flying. You're also a taller man. I am, yeah. So this is a rougher situation for you i just fit in the overhead compartment so it's kind of a different if i roll up in a ball you've stowed away on put me in a crate it's a whole con where we took when we went to del close marathon we we got a big suitcase and we we did a whole con yes well yeah i just rolled you

Starting point is 00:13:05 onto the runway and a guy threw you onto the plane yeah well because that was a you know a fix because i was on your shoulders and we were wearing very long trench coat that's true i don't know they fit they found that out it didn't make sense we were a nine and a half foot tall yeah ten and a half foot tall man yeah that's believable i would think that's usually just for two children i don't know why we tried that. That didn't make any sense. Yeah. You're lucky those basketball players were also on the plane.

Starting point is 00:13:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Assumed you were on the team. We had a big trench coat, but then a big basketball jersey over the trench coat. And they went, ah, basketball player. Yeah, but we picked the right, the Clippers were on the team and we had the 76ers jersey on. Oh, yeah. So that gave us away. That was a big mistake too um so yeah so there was a jolly trolley which is honestly a name i don't even i'm sure i've

Starting point is 00:13:54 heard it before but then i was looking through this and i was like oh jolly trolley okay i guess that's a good that is a good name i think you know it's one of those it looked really good in the opening promotional footage seeing this trolley wobbling around that had crazy eyes and was bright and colorful and then it just sort of slowly stopped that's a weird it's such a cursed land in a way where and where i feel lucky because i did get to go in the first year of it. So I did get to see pristine, perfect, out-of-the-box Toontown. And then just bit by bit, it all kind of went away. It's not without its charms now, but it does need this refresh pretty badly, I'd say.

Starting point is 00:14:38 Yeah. When it first opened, I remembered it being featured in Disney Channel specials or parades yeah or what have you and it it was one of those feelings as a kid like like the indiana jones ride where i was like well i'm very jealous because i'll never get to go there wow you know that's one of those that was me that was my thing yeah yeah i said never ever i've said this many times on the show yeah i attuned town was one where I went, oh my goodness This is the coolest thing, I'll never go

Starting point is 00:15:08 Why would we ever go to California? Yeah, and that was the real Toontown I mean, there was Toontown Fair Which had a million names We did that, I saw that show I loved that, I loved smelling The burnt cake at the end of the show When the cake got screwed up

Starting point is 00:15:24 I mean, I didn't like that, I didn the cake got screwed up i mean i didn't like that i didn't like that there was an error i didn't like there was a problem but i would prefer that just a cake got baked i have a question did we do mickey's birthday lane here's okay scott i also real i also had the exact same thought i go wait a minute wait a minute we did we did mini moo yes and that's oh that's why we broke off just the cow that had a mickey on the side we clearly haven't done the land i know we only but we broke off the cow so you don't have to cover the cow for 45 minutes just to clarify michael it went mickey's birthday land became mickey starland mickey starland did we do mickey starland no no we didn't we have so much

Starting point is 00:16:04 more of this shit to go And then it briefly Became Mickey's Toyland And then eventually Mickey's Toiletland? Toyland Oh I wish it was Mickey's Toiletland

Starting point is 00:16:12 More pee content And then finally Mickey's Toontown Fair Before you know Closed in the early 2010 I could see Bob Chapek Tomorrow Announcing Mickey's

Starting point is 00:16:22 Toiletland An exciting new endeavor With the American Standard Company of toilet makers. Would not be out of character for him. Okay, so we have not done... Okay, because I had the exact same... I thought we did it, but okay. We got a lot more Mickey diving to do.

Starting point is 00:16:38 We quietly just did... We hit, what, 250 episodes or something the other day? But does it feel meaningless with the second gate and like where do you even yeah everything's what somebody doesn't everything feel meaningless sometimes scott i don't know if that counts saying it yes everything yeah um somebody tell us if it's 500 and you're sure it's 500 we'll try to or tell us when it's 497 and then we'll try to we'll try to do a thing when knowledge is some way besides that. I can't,

Starting point is 00:17:08 I can't keep track of that. I can't keep track of what we've covered. Here's a confusing thing also about birthday land is that it has come up before because here's what we have done. We've done Roger Rabbit. We did an episode about cartoons. I know we did it for sure. We did an episode a little over a year ago,

Starting point is 00:17:22 I think about Mickey's house in Toontown. Yes, of course. Which also kind of covered there was a Mickey's house in Birthdayland. Now, something that has come up many, many times and that I make a point of bringing up as much as possible is a special where they take you around Mickey's Birthdayland. And you see some of Mickey's house and my favorite quote ever, When I have to make a telephone call i use the tan never get tired of it this is a weird mundane weird voice thing with a weird voice now yes which right after there's a

Starting point is 00:17:53 really aggressive one right after anybody for a sandwich sandwich so here is a thread that nobody has thought about since but i've been meaning to bring up for a while and i don't think i have right i that i discovered we we it was left as a question when we covered mickey's house who is the fake mickey voice oh right right right and i figured out who is the fake mickey voice okay uh and that is a name that has come up before and that name is jack wagner jack wagner known as the voice of disneyland yeah uh who in his regular speaking voice, does a lot of opening and closing announcements

Starting point is 00:18:28 and is well known for, please stand clear of the doors. Permit us, Ersint, that was worth a word. And he was very responsible for the Main Street Electrical Parade, very esteemed Disneyland personality. And through some weird IMDB or something, I don't know how I got there,

Starting point is 00:18:43 but I was looking up weird specials and trying to figure out something else that had the wrong aggressive Mickey voice. And I found a special where he was credited and I finally can say that Jack Wagner is the weird, wrong, den Mickey. Which brings me to, just before we dive into maybe the history of Toontown,

Starting point is 00:19:04 I wanted to play this great clip from the special where I figured it all out. I don't know when this is from, probably like mid to early 80s. It's called Magic Kingdom Yuletide Special. And this is, you can look this up on YouTube, but this is a weird, I think Jack Wagner is all the characters in this oh wow really because everybody's a little uh they're not allowing this off of voices anymore i don't think um and i'm playing this partially for that and to hear den mickey but then also every actor you're about to hear every voice you're about to hear this whatever this production is is so delightfully

Starting point is 00:19:45 um waiting for guffman red white and blaine like every performer in this is just so wonderfully overdone uh so this this is just a little bit of uh christmas magic i've been wanting to play for for a while uh so the the setup is that uh scrooge doesn't like uh christmas oh of course and then mickey and some uh you know human friends we've never met before all trying to help the situation enough of this christmas nonsense i don't believe in it but mr scrooge christmas time is the most magical time of the year a time when the most wonderful and unexpected things can happen that's right mr sc Scrooge you can have it oh dear I wish we could change scooch's mind about Christmas so do I

Starting point is 00:20:38 Wendy but some things are very hard to change hey Don't underestimate the power of the magic of Christmas. Hey, let's not let Scrooge ruin a great day. I've got it. Let's go for a sleigh ride. A sleigh ride? That would be great. But where are we going to get the sleigh and the horses? Yeah, it seems we need a little of that Christmas magic ourselves.

Starting point is 00:21:00 Okay, you asked for it. Then he waves his hands around and creates a video toaster effect. But some things are very hard to change. Every performance feels like they were in a different room in like a different, like with a different like camera crew and director and they edited all the all of them together they're all like talking to no one maybe this was done during a previous pandemic that we've forgotten oh yeah maybe or all everything was

Starting point is 00:21:33 separated by zoom this was some 1974 pandemic we've erased from history okay you asked for it hands in the air you could probably think meme if or whatever Okay, you asked for it. You asked for it. Hands in the air, Bosnian. I think memefying or whatever you would call it,

Starting point is 00:21:48 memefying that, you asked for it, can be the next I use it then. Okay, you want a weird statement about what's going on in Florida? You asked for it. The official Mickey Bob Chapek mouthpiece. That is that we finally found a mickey that uh matches the bob chapek era yeah right chapek really should bring back this mean mickey you want fast passes to cost 20 a pop you asked for it yeah asshole mickey he's just the fixer he's the josh brolin character from hail caesar

Starting point is 00:22:26 and that's what i was telling you guys beforehand that my new character i'm interested in the current cfo of disney who just keeps saying insane things oh yeah yeah well you want to share one of those yeah yeah what because we again to bring back something from celebratory the guys we got we got another guy there's a female guy but yes and and i mean the most egregious was she said like yes portion sizes have shrunk at disney restaurants but that may be beneficial to some guests waistlines like oh what lady what did you say what did you say to me lord we're helping you we're. We're actually helping you, Toby. And then, like, the ticket price is going up and said, like, you know,

Starting point is 00:23:10 some people have more money than time, you know? That's just the way it is. Deal with it! Deal with it, you fucks! You asked for it! Official Mickey of the J-Fact era is here. We made Modern Family. It's shit.

Starting point is 00:23:29 We don't have to do anything else. Went to the Elon Musk School of Public Relations. Yeah. I'll write the statement, JPEG. Shut up. Get off the damn laptop. Do I have to do everything? Screw yourself, Cal Hanson.

Starting point is 00:23:48 It's a lawsuit. Want more money? I'm calling DeSantis. We're going drinking again. Take off the mask. You don't need to have that. It's been ridiculous. This is a prop.

Starting point is 00:24:01 It's been ridiculous. Political prop. Oh, God. The best was when DeSantis said that, and then the two dunces behind the kids, like, they're not kids, they're college students, they're adults, like, the two who listened to him and were like, took their mask off,

Starting point is 00:24:18 were like, oh, the governor said I could. The man is yelling, I better. Bob Chapek announces Ron DeSantis is the new voice of mickey well and then the oh man the marketing guy i forgot like a less i mean i don't know his statement less egregious but his history much more egregious the guy they hired who worked for bp who was in charge of communication he the Deepwater Horizon who leaked the release date of Guardians accidentally online.

Starting point is 00:24:48 Yes, well, and he called it Epcot Center and leaked to the Epcot Center parody account. Yeah, that was just funny. That was just funny. That was just a funny thing. But some sinister shit. He's working for some sinister shit. Yeah, yeah. Former BP person, and that makes him way down in the current sinister

Starting point is 00:25:03 right of his knee. as far as uh yeah terrible shit yeah i think also yeah yeah yeah really sucks right now doesn't it guys yeah we're all trying to like we're trying to get around yeah yeah you know but uh jesus maybe celebrities back yeah i think it might have to be. For a little while. We really want to celebrate this company right now. This company that's all about, you know,

Starting point is 00:25:34 they're a great purveyor of Rancho Mirage housing tracts and rides costing $20 a pop and homophobic legislation. Which later I realized after we did that episode what the story living

Starting point is 00:25:48 reminded me of and it's the Christian timeshare destination Zion's Landing from Righteous Gemstone season two. There's a massive timeshare storyline

Starting point is 00:25:59 that is very important. So check it out folks. Everybody's pretty gemstone-y right now. Yeah, I'm so behind. I'm... Yeah. Did Disney get taken over by the fictional characters

Starting point is 00:26:14 from The Gemstones? I think so. I'm not all the way to the end of the last season, but I am watching it, unlike Yellowstone, which I have not started yet. Oh, man. And I am going to get to. right you asked for it you're continuing to not watch yellowstone i don't know what mickey fires bbs at you yeah i'm gonna buy it you better watch then, won't you? Taylor Sheridan, I'm going to buy you out.

Starting point is 00:26:47 I'm going to get you and your characters. All of them. It's all mine. It's all mine, damn it. We bought Modern Family. That means that we're pro-inclusion. This is none of this old. I hope none of this makes sense in a while.

Starting point is 00:27:03 This all might be relevant this week, but maybe it won't be relevant in a couple months if JPEG gets fucking fired, as he should be and could be. I mean, all our brains have been destroyed in one way or another, so it will all probably just be mush. It'll all just be a distant memory.

Starting point is 00:27:19 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like there was a BuzzFeed list of like stuff that happened right before like the 2020 shutdown. And they of like stuff that happened right before like the 2020 shutdown and they're like remember this meme and it's like no i don't sorry i do remember parasite wedding best picture uh that was cool but then it was just like and then of course love is blind season one debuted and i'm like uh-huh yes yep uh can i can i take us back to the pre-opening toontown no let's stay let's keep oh okay a lot more shape it no please let's go to the topical chapek more topical god let's go

Starting point is 00:27:53 to the past and thankfully that things were things were less openly evil yes yeah so um this is the groundbreaking uh ceremony for toontown um this was from a special someone clipped uh a special and it had disney afternoon avenue like promotional footage before this and then after it it had a song that went i'm going to disneyland i'm going to disneyland which i know is i'm going to disney world i'm going to Disney World. So they just recorded the song twice and changed the destination. So I think it's a vacation planning. You asked for it. You're using the song.

Starting point is 00:28:33 Okay. I'm only paying those singers once. This is the then head of Disneyland. Jack Lindquist? It's Jack Lindquist. That's right. He's very old. Now, if he? It's Jack Lindquist. That's right. He's very old. Now, if he was evil,

Starting point is 00:28:47 he never showed it. This guy seems like the most roly-poly grandpa on me. I always got a good vibe from Jack Lindquist. He's not zaddy. He's not zaddy, but he's grand.

Starting point is 00:28:55 Is he grand zaddy? I was going to say he's grampy. Grandpa? Grandpa. Highest praise we could give. This is a wonder. I liked this guy. He invented Disney dollars, another topic we haven't done.

Starting point is 00:29:09 I don't know if they still do Disney dollars with the money that- They don't. They don't. They don't. Okay. Although I feel like crypto Disney dollar could come out pretty soon. A digital Disney dollar. They get Disney Ethereum.

Starting point is 00:29:22 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. To set the stage, there was a bunch of construction people on stage, and one guy introduces him, and then he does some very big broom work. Like, he's really fake pushing the broom across the stage. People in the back. Yeah. Quite a coup for us.

Starting point is 00:29:41 Having the characters allow us to tune into their city. You see, Mickey's Toontown really exists. It was just another suburb when Mickey Mouse moved here, and he moved in decades ago. And over the years, it's also become home to many others, including Minnie, Goofy, Chippendale, and Roger Rabbit. Ladies and gentlemen, Mickey Mouse. You could drive a jolly trolley through those pauses

Starting point is 00:30:14 that he was taking in that. Hiya, folks. It's really swell to be here. Well, you must be pretty excited about all this, Nicky. You bet. Well, I think we're ready then. Hey, Benny, slow down! I can't stop!

Starting point is 00:30:37 Yeah! Yeah! Somebody talk right there! okay so roger rabbit drove uh the taxi cab through the wall at the end right uh-huh uh and what sounded like is that just a generic fanfare or is that the looney tunes that's how the merry melodies that's all oh yeah folks the porky pig oh right yeah that's weird yeah why would they play that which is i mean that would have been cool if they tried to do like i mean the licensing would have been impossible but like toontown in the roger rabbit movie is like it's all of them it's everyone well they could have everybody could have they could have the looney tunes they could have uh the characters from the king features syndicate they could have had anyone dagwood could have been in toontown the charles fleischer that that's what

Starting point is 00:31:32 i kept coming across some tribune company publishing characters yeah uh there's a new who owns popeye is it king features um uh i forget who owns them well i would like to there's a max fleischer max fleischer made the cartoons and made betty boop and those early superman there's a oh right right right there's a company that called boss fight that makes uh action figures and finally they did a first line of popeye toys but now the second line has been unveiled and wimpy is in jason immediately pre-ordered pre-ordered baby he's thinking about getting the poop deck pappy toy they're also producing what is the population of people who for the second line of popeye products said out loud finally how many

Starting point is 00:32:18 people on this earth uh i think a person uh text multiple people know Jason is the guy. Multiple people texted me about this toy for Jason. Forward this to Jason, please. I've never asked him for his number, having not wished to text about Popeye before. I don't know. I'm not sure how. I don't know what the audience is for these. These are smaller companies. But Wimpy is finally being produced.

Starting point is 00:32:42 Very exciting. Yeah, this is the same company that made new B o'hare told new bucky o'hare toys which i own uh and are very excited about maybe even more narrow than popeye i would think so less known a much smaller amount of time but they never you know they finally made a mimi la flu toy is that her name my mimi la flu which was look at me, pal. What are we talking about? You asked for it. Mimi LeFleur. Talking bits of Mimi LeFleur tangent.

Starting point is 00:33:10 What world is Mimi LeFleur in? In the Bucky O'Haraverse. She was in the crew. Yeah, Mimi LeFleur. She was... You sound so annoyed. Like, I didn't know. You should know.

Starting point is 00:33:18 There she was. I don't know. She's kind of a... She's got like a... She's a paw patrol. She's a fox. She's not a paw patrol. She's a... a, she's got like a- She's a paw patrol. She's a fox. She's not a paw patrol. She's a-

Starting point is 00:33:26 You ticked it. You ticked that back. A tisk finger. Ticked that back. No paw patrol, damn it. It's way cooler. But she liked Buckley. Mimi LaFleur.

Starting point is 00:33:34 She was definitely like a, I guess like a- She was the love interest. She was the romantic lead. Well, but no, Jenny was the romantic lead, but she was not. Mimi LaFleur was different. Jenny was where the romance laid in Bucky O'Hare. But Mimi LeFleur, I'm trying to think of a good parallel. She was like, I guess she was like a Lola Bunny in the original Space Jam, maybe.

Starting point is 00:33:57 She was a little too, like, sexed up. I don't know what you would say. Like, there was too much of, like, a male animator was drawing like his ideal fox woman i gotta say though it feels like mimi lafleur they hit on a name and then like oh we got a clock out at five uh just call the other one jenny you're saying hell and test situation yeah exactly um but anyway boss fight shout out to them for uh doing great work they were doing i they there there is an instagram account just called max fleischer cartoons and they were doing some sort of cartoon screening at the boss fight like store studios in la by the way check that instagram account it's the best use

Starting point is 00:34:38 of instagram live i've ever seen a few times a day they'll just go live and show old cartoons like just show betty boop or popeye uh or um i think bimbo is that uh friend oh yeah yeah uh and those betty boop cartoons are much weirder than like you know the tin lunchbox oversized t-shirt industry will lead you to believe well then the notion the way she's presented now which is just the idea she just represents the idea of sexiness yeah somehow despite being a giant eyed like what is she that's like why is that the point of betty boop now yeah the aesthetic has jumped to the cuphead games and cartoon show like that is that style right so it would be great if all if everyone was in toontown is really the point of this whole tangent here mimi la flu betty poop bimbo bimbo every character could be in toontown but they did not they i don't even think they did not work out uh thousands and thousands

Starting point is 00:35:37 of licensing agreements exactly they did well the big thing that had to be worked out to get this land off the ground was that it came out of the need for a place where you'd be guaranteed to meet Mickey Mouse. And so it was all structured around that. And there have been different plans for such a thing in the parks. I found out that via the channel review time that there was a thing planned called mickeyville yeah tokyo but that was still kind of in fantasyland aesthetic that was like a little european town where they'd all set up shop and like many at a candy shop and stuff like that so that was not that's where they uh work in europe right in japan not where they live uh then some imagineers i think include there's a guy named joe lance azero who seems very nice and cool who is it seems to be like a vocal the the person who

Starting point is 00:36:31 led mickey's tune town uh he did plans for something called mickey land um that might have had not just the it definitely had the characters houses component but it might have also been a catch-all of other stuff. The other half of it may have ended up being 100-acre wood, and they were going to get Winnie the Pooh in that way. Right. So that was a possibility. But by the time this was pitched, it was Eisner era.

Starting point is 00:36:59 He's trying to get recent blockbusters into the park. He already was saying as much roger rabbit as possible there's a lot of roger tons of roger rabbit odds and ends in the then new disney mgm studios so he said why don't we it's not mickey land you can do your mickey land concept but can it also be toontown so it's kind of you divide it in half so we've got a roger rabbit section and a mickey and friends section and that's what you see today yeah it's it's kind of, you divide it in half. So we've got a Roger Rabbit section and a Mickey and Friends section. And that's what you see today. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:37:27 It's interesting. All those ideas that like you always find have been bouncing around Imagineering forever. And that's like, they obviously wanted a spot for Mickey forever. Yeah. And then just because of Roger Rabbit, this all like came together. Finally was like current and relevant for that time. Yeah. Before they bailed on this character yeah before they bailed on this character

Starting point is 00:37:46 harder than they bailed on any character yeah in their history yes well i think um the hollywood land stuff that was always talked about like oh yeah it'll go behind main street and it'll have the roger rabbit rides we're gonna put it disney mgm studios and just uh i kept i kept coming across like that euro disneyland financial hit like killed a lot of projects or scaled back a lot of projects it killed everything well now like because you know in in the defunct lands and and the review times and the different videos of the world that that catalog these things like now the thing you'll you'll always hear it's usually other stuff right it's well due to september 11th or now due to the pandemic euro disney is the only mega meltdown disaster that disney themselves caused yes it's

Starting point is 00:38:31 the only uh themed entertainment like financial catastrophe yeah you're right it's not well until it's like uh but then the day that bob chapek took a flamethrower to the Magic Kingdom. Yeah. Until he burnt the place down. Specifically the- Before cops shot him. All right. Oh, cops would never shoot the rich.

Starting point is 00:38:56 Are you kidding? Well, I guess California Adventure then came along, too. That was another one. And some people say Hong Kong kong disneyland but i don't i don't think that really made as much of an impact yeah but you're a disney's this like melt that like it's the they couldn't ignore it really is what it is because obviously they don't companies don't want to take blame for something like that but it was just too big to ignore yeah so they had to use it to explain why thus hurting the disney the disney decade was

Starting point is 00:39:25 essentially over in two three years yeah yeah over almost before it started the disney few years not decade disney couple years fifth of a decade yeah i mean the juxtaposition i i think with like how big all the movies were and then how euro disneyland just didn't did it just had a bad open a bad start out the gate but then by cal by the time california adventure opens like fortunes across the company were not doing well so it's like well this isn't great yeah but neither is tv and neither is movies so you know yeah every the hubris that look we uh in some ways you can admire the eisner hubris but the hubris to build i think as tony baxter other people have talked about like

Starting point is 00:40:10 you know it makes sense in tokyo because that's sort of adults don't like turn up their noses at animated things versus europe we're gonna build a big fun cartoon thing in the middle of europe maybe it's a little bit a place where they we've like we've all we've done is announce it and now they are they're specific they're throwing vegetables at us yeah yeah maybe that was not it took like a generation of like people it had to be there for a generation for people to go yeah i guess it's okay like people had to grow up with it and not like yeah but not have known that stigma because they were one year old when the stigma existed so yeah the eisner you know worked to look the it worked

Starting point is 00:40:51 sometimes it didn't work other places yeah yeah well the folly and now they do have that now they do like they put out that big commemorative book there's like social media accounts of like remember the early days of euro disney and it's like oh i went first year to open you know same as any park people remembered fondly after enough time yeah yeah they knew it would happen um there was something else contained in that that clip that you played jason because the you know the real story of this is what i just said they want to play yes mickey and yes uh what really the real the narrative story and this is what i just said they want to play mickey and boss yes uh what really the real the narrative story and this is yeah well let's get to this i send you guys a little email also

Starting point is 00:41:32 if you i don't know i don't know what you're about to share i think it's what you like but the yeah so uh the fictional backstory of toontown is that mickey's toontown predated the theme park that uh mickey's celebrity is popping off in the early 30s and he wants just a little middle america suburb to call his own i think according to the story at one point he was there by himself and then eventually got lonely. He wanted to keep in touch with... What do you take? I'm curious what you have. Do you have the comic strip?

Starting point is 00:42:09 I don't have the comic strip, but I have the actual... Somewhere, this was written down as far as the narrative, and I found it in that review time video. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. Toontown was a hidden Toon suburb that Mickey Mouse had moved to in 1930 to keep in touch with his humble midwestern roots now okay now in canon here mickey is from the midwest because walt was from the midwest i guess yeah but even though mickey was created when walt lived out in california yes so i don't know why but no mickey's mickey Nebraska. Mickey is from Nebraska with his friends following soon after. Okay, so there are three paragraphs here.

Starting point is 00:42:50 Let's unpack this one first. Mickey, okay, he moved out. So if we think about the narrative in the California Adventure Suitcase and a Dream pop-up show, which is a show that happens on the street at California Adventure with some newsies, and then Mickey pops up, and it's sort of talking about how mickey came out to california to make it big yeah so that's also canon is that mickey i guess here it's the same thing mickey lived in the midwest and came out here with walt well they meet in hollywood so this but this canon is saying that walt and it feels like they met in hollywood this canon is saying that Walt...

Starting point is 00:43:25 It feels like they met in Hollywood. It's not canon that Mickey and Walt lived together in a studio apartment in the Midwest. And then there were two buddies that moved out. I don't think that's what the narrative is. Right where that show happens that you're describing, there's the statue that's Walt and Mickey. And they both kind of got their suitcases yeah presumably a dream of course you could see it in their eyes is that have they is that them meeting did they bump into each other both carrying suitcases oh sorry i'll clean that up

Starting point is 00:43:56 for you what's up i'm mickey we have to you know we have um walt uh if we can look up jason do you have can we look up the lyrics to suitcase in a dream because i think that'll really let us know exactly what the narrative is mike asks acts like that is a chore i'm pretending yeah yeah i'm pretending for the podcast if we had to listen to suitcase in a dream if somebody made us uh and and scott where do you know where that background is from like where did they publish that um well uh you if you also if we're giving you too many tasks here but both of you have in your email now a comic strip that i found that explains a one pager that explains all this back okay but we have a couple more things scott to get to before okay so here are the lyrics of

Starting point is 00:44:44 suitcase in a dream and here is i guess the newer canon mr d so do you want me to sing should i sing it or should i just maybe i'll just recite it i'm trying to do all of it including the choruses or mr it's like mr disney traveled west like that's the type of singing in the song uh it's but mr disney traveled west just a few bucks to his name, along the way he met Mickey Mouse. On the train? And the world will never be the same. Is it an analog for that he drew Mickey on the train? In this world where Mickey is real, that Mickey just, they like bumped into each other on their way in and out of the bathroom car.

Starting point is 00:45:19 Right. Sorry, I stunk it up in there. So Jason is correct about a long train ride because magical things can happen when you're relaxing on a long mode of train, a long trip. That's right. Yeah, the narrative that he came up with Mickey. Right, but he actually-

Starting point is 00:45:34 Don't call him Mortimer idiot. What are you doing? So he met Mickey on maybe a train. Doesn't say that in the song, but that's probably what they're implying. I want that slice of banana cream pie. Yeah, they both reached for it or something. Can I borrow a cigarette?

Starting point is 00:45:51 This is an insane amount of lore of canon to dump in a comic strip at an old man giving a press conference. So, okay, there's two more paragraphs of this thing. So when Walt Disney was looking for a location to build Disneyland, Mickey pointed him toward a large orange grove nearby for him to build his park. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:46:07 So Mickey told him where to build Disneyland, which was nearby the suburb. So Mickey went to Anaheim. Yeah. Mickey had a private housing development, the original Cotino in a way. Right. Yes. In Anaheim. And he develops just a sliver of it, left most of it just far didn't bother the

Starting point is 00:46:27 the farmers or whatever who owned it already hey you want some cheap land i know where to build uh yeah and this in this world he like waltz his landlord essentially yes or i'm certain no he's waltz landlord oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah He sold him cheap farmland. So after the park opened, Mickey and his friends would travel between their toontown homes and Disneyland to meet the countless guests that visited the park before eventually deciding to open their hometown to the public, digging a tunnel through the berm. Forden, Mickey, Goofy, and Donald, and Minnie all dug a tunnel together. Through the berm. Through the berm. Through the berm.

Starting point is 00:47:06 Walt built a berm to keep the tunes out. Right. He didn't want them... We're running a professional... Of course. Fun organization here. We don't want... But as soon as Walt was dead...

Starting point is 00:47:15 People aren't going to take it seriously if there's a mouse walking around. Right. As soon as Walt was dead, they were like, we're building a tunnel here. Well, when they closed that big picnic area where companies would do company picnics and get they when they close that big picnic area where companies would

Starting point is 00:47:25 do company picnics and get hammered close that down opens up room to build a tunnel for cartoon characters to go through i don't think i know about this picnic this drunk picnic place oh didn't we why did i hear about we haven't done an episode about the drunk about the picnic i it must have i must have heard about on on disney dish i think it is what is now the downtown disney parking lot okay uh yeah they they you know the corporate companies were like look we want somewhere to have a company picnics and our executives like to drink beer and so people would get hammered and then go into the park you're saying on adult libations you're saying adult libations they you're saying? Adult libations, yeah. They said, I imagine.

Starting point is 00:48:06 It essentially predicted downtown Disney. Can I just say? Wait, wait, are you still? I'm done. I'm done with my portion of that explanation. Well, I got to say, this is 1940-ish Rogers Gang makes downtown a happening place. Usually in history. Wait, you're saying that's something from the comics? Yeah, we should talk. Now we have to go through a happening place. Usually in history.

Starting point is 00:48:25 You're saying that's something from the comics. Yeah, we should talk. Now we have to go through the comics. Oh, yeah. Panel by panel. Sorry. Don't get ahead of yourself here. People have been going to Toontown without knowing any of this backstory.

Starting point is 00:48:36 And that's why this place needs to be closed down. And we need to stop down and reflect on why you're going there. And what the, you know it's you can live your toontown story there should be there should be a roadie style pre-show before you go into toontown with like three pre-show rooms that explain this narrative before you even step foot in the land yeah you're right so now so at that at that point in this in this comic uh yeah mickey is already mickey lives in anaheim he suggested this land no no he hasn't just landed well roger roger and his gang invade in the 40s well yeah which is confusing because usually the suburbs

Starting point is 00:49:12 don't come before the city that has not historically been the case uh so can i go do you want to walk through these what do you want to do here this is just like if anything struck you oh everything strikes me. So basically the first panel just says a star is born. And like there's two like old timey folks. They've just seen Steamboat Willie. And they're very excited about Mickey.

Starting point is 00:49:35 And then the next panel I would like to point out. It says 1930 something. And Mickey is at his desk. And he writes, or he says, there's no place like home. If only I had one which is really like have a house micky never right got to hollywood got discovered really on the train by walt and just hit the ground running and never he doesn't have a place to live this is a mistreatment on a jude garland level a hundred percent criminal what walt has done right he has just been sleeping

Starting point is 00:50:03 in his office he looks exhausted already he's like eyes are closing he's at his desk and with a full itinerary meet and greet see news or meet with waltz see new merch on the right uh calls he always calls to donald this is this is crazy he's being worked to the bone i know it's it's real cruel it's like yeah early early show business um and then yeah it says soon after and then it says toontown west in the back and mickey is shaking hands with a like an unseen a faceless suited human man uh he's with daniel it's daniel plainview he's buying the land daniel plainview oh i look at people and I don't find much I like either, Daniel.

Starting point is 00:50:48 You drank my milkshake? I can't dig for oil under this place, then why'd I buy it? The only thing is, if Mickey gets beat up by a bowling apparatus, just a big bump comes out of his head and he sees birds around his head so that might have gone smoother not so for daniel no seen the end of the movie yeah uh so yeah then mickey moves in uh his friends eventually join and i like it says in no time uh and then why is this fact so odd to us that i don't know why they took the time to say mickey lived alone not with minnie for not with his uh his long-term

Starting point is 00:51:31 girlfriend he was able to sow his oats for a little while in anaheim if that's what they're getting at and and outside of this mythology by the way um it's also explained elsewhere that the reason that Donald is on a boat and not a house in Toontown is because he lives in Duckburg. We know this. So he is only docking sometimes in Toontown. Well, Mickey's birthday land, I version, their version of two, one of the versions of the Toontown in Florida, you'd get off the train to take you there. And it would say you were actually in Duckburg initially, but it wasn't,

Starting point is 00:52:12 it wasn't the canon at one point that that Mickey's house was his like vacation house. Yes. Which we've talked about on an episode. I don't know which one, but on an episode, we've talked, we have talked about that at least one episode

Starting point is 00:52:26 I don't think Jack Lindquist is still alive the man who heard in the clip earlier but I feel like if he heard any of what we're saying today he'd say what's wrong with you damn kids I made you a place to run around and play why are you getting caught up on this

Starting point is 00:52:42 it's been decades you're wasting your time today even the three sentences they had him say i was like what what yes they called yeah you you asked for it you asked for it jack what are they supposed to do but pick this apart on a podcast i didn't think it was even more convoluted than his introduction oh i would love to be yelled at by jack lindquist especially if it was in that slow way he was talking in that video well to take some nice pauses yes take a break kind of get back up from the yelling yeah yeah and help you absorb it um i hope to be yelled at at least by one ceo

Starting point is 00:53:23 of disney or otherwise well there's one who's pretty likely to well yell at all of us that's true done a lot less endearing than old jack lindquist too hopefully after the after he's done being ceo he'll be on cameo and you can pay him like a grand to yell at you michael eisner started his specials by saying hello He's good JPEG's gonna start his specials by saying Hello you fucks Unappreciative fucks I'm finished

Starting point is 00:53:54 The heel we were really right about that heel Him turning heel Yeah we were joking about the heel turn A couple weeks prior He really did it and it was much less funny than we described Oh it was not yeah it was not funny If only he really did it and it was much less funny than we described it was not yeah i know only you take it if it did but we wouldn't be mad if he was just wearing like leopard colored spandex and uh yeah that's true yelling cartoonish threats yeah and it's certainly much less than

Starting point is 00:54:16 some wrestling heel turns where everyone just flowers more and like seemingly twirls like a snidely whiplash mustache sure he should have all snidely should have been in toontown too oh yeah the jay ward character should have been all over that yeah because you could have two uh dudley do-right rides it is surprising that disney has not acquired like rocky and bowinkle and such give them time yeah it'll happen okay we have a lot more panels to go through here i don't know you guys are with all these jokes and stuff i don't know we have a lot more panels to go through here. I don't know. You guys are with all these jokes and stuff. I don't know. We have more.

Starting point is 00:54:47 Back to reading. Back to reading. So, panel seven. I don't know. Where are you? Panel seven. I don't know. Roger.

Starting point is 00:54:53 Okay, so 1940-ish. Roger's gang makes downtown a happening place. Okay, so Roger now makes downtown. I don't know what that means. Downtown. It makes whatever. Anaheim? We're talking here? Downtown Anaheim? No, he means Toontown. Downtown To that means. Downtown. It makes whatever Anaheim we're talking here. Downtown.

Starting point is 00:55:07 No, he means downtown Toontown. Okay. Where Mickey was living. No, no, no. He lives in suburbia. He doesn't like that. He probably didn't like that. Roger moved in.

Starting point is 00:55:17 He probably wanted to like screw Roger on the property. So he had Disneyland open on the side nearest to him to cause a bunch of noise for his rates to go up. Mickey still lives on the quiet side of town out in the barn. I see. So left to town is suburbs. Right to town is downtown. And that's where Roger and his gang were making things happen in basically jazz music and dueling pianos. Okay.

Starting point is 00:55:43 I gotcha or uh dueling pianos but only one of the pianos is being played and the other is empty due to copyright rules you mean because they would get sued by how they can't have daffy because they can't do the gag yeah i thought you meant because hollow the moon copy wrote oh yeah they definitely the cow at the moon definitely seems like a company that has their legal issues in order um the next one's really i feel like this is where like it's all contained in here and it's 1953 and and waltz is describing his plans for disneyland to mickey and right here i'd put a beautiful castle sounds great walt i know of the perfect property nearby and the thing under that is walt a frequent and the only human visitor to toontown

Starting point is 00:56:33 yes this is great this is a great detail of it they never had no humans were allowed to visit right so how did they get mail mickey i guess had to go to the mail just toss it over the burn or yeah there was yeah exactly um so yeah walt was the only cool guy they how did they get like hookups for water and power uh-huh yeah so walt walt was walt's the only cool one everybody else i guess they i guess they had their i guess they had like a tune everything i guess there was a tune post-op they have like a tune they have a tune mailbox water i guess they had their, I guess they had like a tune everything. I guess there was a tune post-op. They have like a tune, they have a tune mailbox. It's tune water, I guess. They can't drink our water.

Starting point is 00:57:11 USPS won't do the last mile delivery. It costs way more expensive. It's way more expensive. It's like sending mail to China. It's right next door. I guess, yeah. So every, like Mickey didn't meet many humans on trains i guess so that kind of bonded him to walt forever so walt could go into the toon town

Starting point is 00:57:33 and i guess i'm still we they kind of talk about like humans as far as the physics are concerned but i do wonder like did walt ever get an anvil dropped on him or his hand or anything like what what happened there like was he in danger constant danger or we haven't looked into the polo injury yet that might have been with like a cartoon ostrich oh yeah we don't know the ins and outs yet yeah that that is uh yeah that time where walt was in toontown when toontown was hidden is surprisingly not documented and i feel like a lot of weird stuff went down a lot of weird stuff went down you think toon affairs a hundred percent toon affairs please do we think he was who who was walt do we dare say many claribel many yeah yeah we're the

Starting point is 00:58:18 single ones claribel is claribel with horace horace caller she is but they were um yeah they were poly they were claribel and oh you think they were you think they were pretty pretty chill for the time i think so yeah i think you can kind of get that vibe from them if you watch those early cartoons maybe i'm crazy maybe i'm well in the way that there's like throughout the 20th century there's like oh yeah there's a polyamorous community or a commune or nudist colony. Always. There was a nudist part of Toontown. There was a nude town in Toontown.

Starting point is 00:58:50 There was, yeah. Join up. Some of it was just nudist. Some of it was just no pants. Some of it was just different versions. Yes, a lot of characters. Yeah, it is largely a no pants community already, be it Donald or Winnie the Pooh. So Walt would just join in, leave his pants at the city hall.

Starting point is 00:59:12 What if Walt is Rue's father? Walt and Kanga never met Kanga's husband. Anything is possible. Walt had a secret family in Toontown. We recently were talking about secret families. Please, Walt, it would help Rue socially if she could take the last name Disney. No, no, no. It'll be a blight on the empire.

Starting point is 00:59:37 Yeah, that's right. This is my secret shame. There should be a... That's not a panel in the comic we're reading no no it's not walt conceiving rue and his don't take a picture i don't want anyone to see it the only human allowed in toontown for many years that's walt is essentially walt open tuned down to humans just as nixon uh softened relations and open china to trade to diplomatic relations with you're saying these parallel there's a

Starting point is 01:00:16 parallel here nixon and walt very good friends so make say why didn't you invite him then i was gonna say did walt ever like come on would you would you let mickey would you let dick come in all right yeah i just want to show him around he loves the animated features the cover of night like yeah an unmarked car pulled up the cover of night um but the way this this worked out nixon was likely inspired by walt opening up toontown because he would have known. Because this was all secret. This was all secret until the 90s. This was all secret. We didn't know this was happening at the time.

Starting point is 01:00:50 Nixon might have known. This might have been an Area 51 situation. Yeah, right. Yes. Maybe there was a phone on the desk, on the Resolute desk. Maybe there was a red line. This one gives me Khrushchev.

Starting point is 01:01:03 This one gives me Mickey Mouse. It was the phone that Mickey has in Toontown's house. It was the silly phone. The only person who could call it was Richard Nixon. Nixon had Mickey's silly phone on his desk as well. Listen, Dick, I agree with your politics, but Walt and I have an arrangement. Before you know it, this whole place is overrun with people. I'd love to make an exception for you, but I can't.

Starting point is 01:01:28 My balls are in a vice here, man. What about a phone? I'll give you a phone. Dick, do not listen to Billy Graham. Do not bomb the dykes in Vietnam. You will flood so much. It was. Sick of being an unpaid advisor.

Starting point is 01:01:44 You're going to kick me some money for this foreign policy. Haldeman's out of his mind. Yeah, it was like every time you hear Robert Evans, an old Robert Evans interview, he was talking about how he needed Henry Kissinger at like a movie premiere or something. There was a similar situation with Mickey and Nixon. Kissinger and Eeyore got along very well yeah yeah similar energies yeah

Starting point is 01:02:07 yeah vibes vibes are the same but then look they did invite people into the town of course eventually many after almost 40 years of the theme park being open next door yes so finally a decision was made that look it's too close we may as well just do it you know where it's a long commute you know what it'll make our commute easier if we build a tunnel you know through the burnt whatever it is um which also suggests to me that we are supposed to believe actually we're traveling a farther distance in disneyland than what it is so like when we walk through the gates of Toontown, I think the narrative is that we're walking,

Starting point is 01:02:49 like maybe we're walking like a couple miles even. I don't think it's actually supposed to be immediate. In the fantasy of it, we're walking through a secret tunnel to get to this suburb. Right, because you go under the railroad tracks. And honestly, it is kind of a pain to walk to Toontown sometimes. It's all the way back there.

Starting point is 01:03:03 Toontown does feel the most inconvenient place to go in Disneyland. Yeah, years pass and I've never been back there. So losing it for a little bit where it's not, because it's not a conduit to anything else, it's a dead end in the park. So yeah, you skip it sometimes. People were speculating though that concept art does look like it would have a second in and out.

Starting point is 01:03:24 Like connect to galaxy's edge maybe possibly chip and dale treehouse knocked down it not having anything fun in it anymore uh and so yeah maybe that but i was looking at that on an overhead you got a long way to go they got to build a big old bridge it's not you think maybe it's right next door but it's not it's like this hypothetical tunnel that mike is describing uh it's a it's right next door, but it's not. It's like this hypothetical tunnel that Mike is describing. It's a long way. So they've got to build some weird bridge to Galaxy's Edge, I think. Feels like they're not going to do that.

Starting point is 01:03:50 But I could be wrong. It is the last dead end in the park, and Runaway Railway is going to really amp up the people going back there. I guess, yeah. When this opens again, having a big, exciting ride will certainly make more people go, I guess we got to go walk back to Toontown. So it would make sense as far as traffic flow. The other thing is that they're not going to be able to do that thing where Toontown closes before the rest of the park

Starting point is 01:04:21 because it's adjacent to where they fire the fireworks off of oh that's right yeah they're they can't get away with there's a big new ride they can't close that ride at five every day yeah right so i'm not what will they do i don't know what will their time closure policy we can only we can only sit here and like you know we should just sit here silently for a couple minutes so the listeners at home can contemplate it like we are. So we build in a space here. 8.30 they'll close it? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:04:51 Think some more. They keep doing that where it's just like they keep moving where the fireworks are shot off from and where the like, like to build Runaway Railway, there was like a big backstage area for like maintenance and costuming and stuff that they had to like sacrifice sacrifice sacrifice they had to give up

Starting point is 01:05:10 sacrifice does sound a little extreme no I think so they had to do some sort of ritual they had to give it up burn it for my god burn it for the ink JPEG lit a fire he's gonna he's gonna start firing the fireworks straight at the employees cars those are the shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake

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Starting point is 01:05:41 shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake are shot off where if you are parked on the top of the garage at least for a little while there was a thing where it's like if you go to get your car if you stayed really late and they shot off fireworks you have a fine layer of ash on your car i think it was a thing with neighbors for a long time yeah yeah you get you get ash in your yard yeah so i don't know it's gonna start charging for the ash it's gonna go door to door scrape for the ash. It's going to go door to door. Scrape up the ash.

Starting point is 01:06:06 This is valuable Disney property. They'll be $150, please. They'll build a car wash at the end of when you're exiting the parking garage, and you'll have to pay $20 to clean your car off of the ash, and they'll pocket another $20. There wasn't any ash on it. I don't know that. Hey, you want to leave the parking garage, right?

Starting point is 01:06:27 Pay the 20 to get your car cleaned. The audience, the park attendees spoke loud and clear. The ability to leave the park is an ability that they value above any other. And that's why we're going to finally put a spotlight on the story of leaving. The story of exiting is story of we are so and with the first chapter of entering the garage we are so excited to see our guests complete the story of exiting to give them the privilege of the 40 exit fee um what's like what what have we not talked about in terms of like panels maybe the last few panels or is that what you're talking about no i think we covered the comic oh

Starting point is 01:07:12 sorry sorry didn't we yeah yeah um no let's uh i mean maybe the things to focus on here like what we know is is uh is changing at least a little bit um the the the big one i think is um well okay the the trolley's gone the trolley's already been gone for a long time they're ripping the tracks out uh so there's gonna be no even visible awareness that there was once this jolly trolley at any point in time there's also a thing called toon park which is an odd little area did you guys ever see that when it was open or it was like five uh plastic shrubs it was very it was very strange and depressing i feel and uh like a real park might be saw it um weird it was weird okay um so that's going to be a big open space a lot of this also seemingly is about getting the current the the new shorts version of mickey and minnie places as best as they can because it seems like

Starting point is 01:08:13 disney is committing to this is how we're representing mickey and minnie it's how they're represented in the ride it's not the 90s version of mickey it's this new those these manic shorts that i think are really great um so i think there's a statue getting torn out that's more of a 90s mickey i think you're going to start seeing like other just iterations of those the current mini mickey and the other characters around yeah there was um oh is it still up because i i didn't go last is is the there was a sign with using the new versions of mickey mini that was kind of funny that was basically like this like there's nothing to see here essentially yeah like what giant building on the construction walls on the construction wall yeah which was funny and then

Starting point is 01:08:53 that yeah um which i think that was after there was all those videos just out of like destruction happening in toontown we're like which i hate look there's a lot to blame bob it was a bob chabex fault that he was just like demolish toontown in front of the children gather more children make them watch which also downtown disney i was i had walked down there not long ago and you can just there's a really crazy looking piece of construction by where um sugar boo was in starbucks where you're like oh that's it looks like a missile hit that like it's it's really like visible was in the starbucks where you're like oh that's it looks like a missile hit that like it's it's really like visible like in the chapek era he doesn't not mind you seeing

Starting point is 01:09:31 like building destruction um yeah i mean the elements were kind of destroying tootown for a long time already like i i first saw it when i first went to the park in 2006 and like you know that doesn't rain that often in southern california but the sun is kind of merciless like and and they i think they ran into the same problem similar to what the problem they ran into at islands of adventure with seuss landing where it's like trying to transport a color scheme from uh children's books or animated, you know, shorts and stuff and painting buildings that, like, either a flat color or a very bright color, it just fades almost immediately, it seems like, you know?

Starting point is 01:10:15 Yeah. In my memory, Toontown was only looked super colorful and vibrant for a couple years, and then they sort of stopped trying to keep up, it felt like. Yeah, that's the thing. stopped trying to to keep up that's like yeah that's the that's the you really have to keep up when you're doing a cartoon environment thing like the only part of disney sea like that looked a little bit weird was the little mermaid area which is very like cartoon colors and i'm wondering like i'm wondering how like um nintendo land in japan has stood like it's like

Starting point is 01:10:46 is it still true is it already yeah fading a little bit or are they i assume they they're keeping they have to keep that up pretty hard at least initially right right um so yeah that that stuff feels like it doesn't i guess it's because everything else if it looks like it's kind of rooted in the real world it can fade a little bit and it's okay you don't notice but yeah when it's because everything else, if it looks like it's kind of rooted in the real world, it can fade a little bit. And it's okay. You don't notice. But yeah, when it's the brightest. When it has to look as bright as a cartoon, you're always going to notice when the sun is taking that shine away.

Starting point is 01:11:15 Yeah. And I think, I'm sure the agreement is even stricter with like the Nickelodeon lands but i think the agreement with like the seuss uh family or the seuss estate is like every every few years they have to paint like every five years or something because they do do upkeep i there i think they honestly do it more than toontown yeah yeah because the the guys all uh the widow i think was pretty strict about, like, if I'm going to let you do this, you have to do it correctly. She said, no more live action movies and keep that paint fresh. Yeah, keep it, yeah.

Starting point is 01:11:54 What are the two things she wanted? The Mike Myers cat scared me. Mm-hmm. So, other stuff that is, I think we're not losing, but it is changing. Goofy's Bounce House. Goofy's Bounce House, which we've never talked about at length in general, I don't think. This is one of these things. If I didn't say this at the top, when Toontown was about to open, I was so abuzz about it.

Starting point is 01:12:21 I was thinking about it night and day. I was so excited to go to toontown it's one of the first times i remember having dreams about disneyland wow i had dreams about what toontown was going to be like i don't remember the specifics of the dream but i remember an extremely long tunnel oddly like the one you were describing oh yeah i don't remember what was in the it was just a there's a weird claustrophobic tunnel And then I think Mickey's Full face filled it It was actually terrifying

Starting point is 01:12:48 Entrance to Chris Angel's Las Vegas show You entered through a giant Mickey head Wow But it was real And you went into his body I thought about Toontown So much

Starting point is 01:12:59 There was even this mall tour By the way Do you know about the Toontown mall tour? No There was a tour that went from city to city and covered like 40 malls wow that brought up like huge toontown sets and a little show with the characters that ran five times a day there's i don't have a there's not a clip of this that is good and funny enough to play on this podcast but if you want to watch just the most

Starting point is 01:13:25 like mundane sizzle reel showing the investors at kodak how successful the mall tour was uh this is on youtube i think it's called uh mickey's tune 10 tour presented by kodak at the channel jpl productions uh so monday you get to see like and then then, and then the, uh, the builders got to work. We built this city, uh, and then like, boy ended it. The audience, uh,

Starting point is 01:13:50 you know, in all the markets found that this event was simply irresistible. She simply resisted, but, uh, really great mundane. Uh, it was in Chicago,

Starting point is 01:14:01 by the way, at the Stratford square mall. Do you have any fond memories of square? Very fond memories memories of stratford square yeah oh boy um that was no woodfield has your heart it has all of our hearts but stratford square was actually a little bit shoot maybe i'm mixing it up with spring hill stratford square i believe was the mall though that had the waterfall movie theater which was a you would walk through like a waterfall to get to your theater and look out into the mall and there was water and it was like the coolest thing that sounds like the best place that's ever been built yeah it's incredible uh and i was i was there

Starting point is 01:14:38 i saw actually you know what funny enough i saw uncut gems there like three years ago wow still got the waterfall no gone and yeah that's that's all gone and the theater's like up on the third level and it's less that's more depressing than the events of the film uncut gems yes uh uh anyways but i this tour i remember like i did i never got my act together to convince my mom to take me to the tour and i thought about it i still think about it. Sometimes I'm still like, I really should have gone to that mall tour. I don't want to go to the mall tour. So badly did I want tastes of Toontown.

Starting point is 01:15:13 And all of that to say, Goofy's Bounce House was the thing I was looking forward to the most. Because if you never got to experience this, you go into Goofy's living room in his crazy topsy-turvy house, and everything in there is inflatable. His chairs and his credenza and his lamp and everything. So you can literally bounce off of the walls and I remember

Starting point is 01:15:36 thinking imagining what this was going to be like for me when I get in there. And you imagine the version where you have, uh, where you have flubber and you are just like soaring around. You are bounding effortlessly.

Starting point is 01:15:52 I feel like I imagined that I would be better at the bouncing than all the other kids. And they would be looking up at me like, whoa, did he practice? How is this guy? So I was going to be the employees would applaud when I was done. Instead,

Starting point is 01:16:04 I got in there and was just winded within four seconds no it was so much more like uh painful and annoying and the possibility of elbows flying from every which way you had like a limited amount of time like a buzzer goes and then you got two minutes to bounce as much as you can i don't remember the actual amount of time but i just remember it being like so sweaty and dark and disappointing and my parents like so and i'm like yeah good it was fine how old so how old yeah five what are you five ish no older than that probably seven eight or nine or something oh eight or nine yeah yeah i mean i'm about i love a bounce house uh you i assume before that too if you have a kid had a birthday we never had one for my birthday

Starting point is 01:16:45 but like if sometimes kids would rent one which was like how is that possible um and i'm trying to think where else they would be well um uh like vacation towns they're very popular at the amusement parks at the jersey shore oh yeah right right right we would do that yeah because those were obviously did those have more surface area than Goofy's? Because it looks small when I look at this. It's a little small, yeah, yeah. Which is like, yeah, you would think it would be big because it would need to accommodate a lot of kids.

Starting point is 01:17:12 Yeah. Because now these bounce plays, these trampoline zones that fill up all the dead malls, these are massive spaces. I guess that's the innovation. I was just thinking, like, I feel like there's not a lot of bounce house innovation for kids but there has certainly been a trend of like how do we make these bounce houses for these older millennia or these millennials with disposable income there are some yeah crazy ones you can rent or buy yeah i think we looked there's like a millennium falcon one that might have been like two stories you can get, which is pretty wild. And then, yeah, sometimes they look almost like,

Starting point is 01:17:46 what's the show, Wipeout or something? There's like a crazy kind of obstacle course that's inflatable. But, oof, I still, a friend of ours had a bounce house at a party a couple years ago, and Anthony Chio and I just did wrestling moves the whole time on it. It's still good. Still so good. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:18:04 I was in some bounce house scenario with my son uh for a lay was like a it was like a 10-15 minute stint might be the best moment of having a child oh yeah euphoria yeah all the pictures are like wow i don't think i've seen myself this happy yeah ever i believe it really can be special places although even in that uh i like came very close to hurting myself very badly oh you guys when you did it no not in that instance i'm not actually like do you find them like difficult though in the way am i crazy to find the bounce houses to be very they would be tired i remember being a kid and that would be tiring yeah i don't remember ever hurting myself.

Starting point is 01:18:45 Look, as an adult, I'm sure it's very possible. You've heard me talk about the Achilles tendons I'm having issues with, although that's doing better now that I've got better shoes. So I'm sure something could happen. But when we were in that bounce house a couple, maybe we were just so good at doing professional wrestling moves that there was no problem. We were so safe with each other.

Starting point is 01:19:05 So if you're good enough, then it won't be an issue. So if you're good in a bounce house. You're a safe worker. Yeah. I'm very safe. Yeah. I'm like Bret Hart. I never hurt anybody in the ring, in the bounce house.

Starting point is 01:19:18 You know what? Maybe if I have some slightly anti-bounce house feelings at all, maybe I had some trouble when I was a kid. Goofy's bounce house kind of winded me and then years later uh in a relationship that that uh ended long ago i was cheated on in a bounce house oh wow like there was a party that i left and then i came back to it unexpectedly oh no there was a lot of like oh oh, Scott, oh, huh, well, here, why don't you wait here for a minute? And at that moment. Oh, my God.

Starting point is 01:19:48 There was a hookup occurring in a bounce house. Wow. Holy crap. That's defiling a bounce house. So now it's all clear. Now it's pretty clear that maybe it's like a psychosomatic thing when you get in a bounce house these days. Like you just start to feel pain. It's like a deep pain you're feeling because of this like memory it's much more like a betrayal house than

Starting point is 01:20:09 a house well they look they literally they look like surreal dream versions of a house in the way the dreams it's always like it was my house but not my house that's how it is in my head like it's this like bulbous yeah unsettling right tim burton-esque environment were they they're evil to me were they both jumping up and down and kissing on the top of their jumps i hope that's all it was uh-huh seems like more than that would be tough to line up yeah seems pretty tough uh dangerous too depending on what position we're thinking uh do you think this is what happened with Walt and Clarabelle in Goofy's house? Where like Horace was out,

Starting point is 01:20:51 so gosh, just a second, Horace. You don't want to go in there. You don't want to see that. You'd want to take a look at my garden for a sec. Take a look. Oh, that noise? Oh, I don't know. Probably just some crows in the chimney.

Starting point is 01:21:08 Let me get you a drink. Scotch and soda? I ever said you're a handsome feller? I don't compliment you enough, Horace. That's not Walt's compliment. My goofies are really turning into slim pickings. Then I'm a man. I had it for about two words.

Starting point is 01:21:25 I think the first thing I said, I was like, this is a pretty goofy you're doing. And then I completely lost it. As soon as we both thought it. Well, this is the scene. Whether it be goofy voices or wrestling moves, just don't ever question it. That's a good point.

Starting point is 01:21:37 And listen, and don't, no hookups and bounce houses, okay? No. I can speak to on on the other end, how it feels, and I bet that's how it felt for Horace whenever he found out, too. I bet it is.

Starting point is 01:21:51 Walt and his cow mistress. Anyway, so good. Tear it down. I don't want to do Goofy's Bounce House. It's being reimagined is what it says and I don't know how. I don't know what it's, because it's just been

Starting point is 01:22:07 a regular house for some time. Yeah, normal house. I don't know what they're doing with it. I think the gag factory seems like it's on the chopping block

Starting point is 01:22:13 if it hasn't been already. Oh, that's gone already. That's been gone for a while because of the thing. Do you guys know what Goofy's Bounce House is in Japan? This is a sort of

Starting point is 01:22:22 recent thing that they've done. No, no, no. The only thing I know about Japan is that there was a massive entrance to toontown like a giant like hanger right or like a giant overhang kind of thing no you're thinking of main street is where there's like the there's like a big like toontown you just walk into i believe oh i i just mean i think i mean the signs like a lot bigger oh maybe i'm not sure um it's. Well, one weird thing is it's reversed. It's the exact same physical layout of Disneyland Toontown, but just flipped.

Starting point is 01:22:52 So if you go one way, you think you're going to Roger Rabbit, but you're actually going to Mickey's house. You kind of enter towards the middle too. But otherwise, so it's like a full mirror version. Right. But also, a long time ago of they've gotten rid of all of the weird stuff that was hurting people right too and it's it's i wonder if this is what they're gonna do in disneyland it has been what is it called it's called goofy's paint and playhouse and what it is is a kind of a stationary midway mania it It's the same devices. It's a string

Starting point is 01:23:26 that you're pulling back and forth. With projection mapping, you're live painting his house and causing a bunch of chain reactions and cartoon violence and stuff. Stuff's falling over and flipping over. And it looks pretty good. So maybe that is what they're going to do here.

Starting point is 01:23:42 And I would say that that might be a fun idea. That seems fun. Seems like a plus up. Did you guys come across Toontown Morning Madness? A show that they did? Well, it was two parts. There does seem to be a show that would kind of open Toontown for the morning

Starting point is 01:23:59 where the deputy mayor of Toontown, there's always a deputy mayor, introduces the mayor of Toontown, there's always a deputy mayor, introduces the mayor of Toontown, which is Mickey Mouse. I didn't realize he had been given... Yeah, he's the mayor. Yeah, he's the mayor. Okay.

Starting point is 01:24:13 Lives there, yeah, yeah. He's the mayor. So this was, you would get, like, let's say the park opened at nine, you would get an extra hour. So from eight to nine, if you had booked through the disney travel company or triple a you would get this extra hour the only thing is like you would have to enter

Starting point is 01:24:35 you didn't you still entered the park like touring plans that are run down on this where it's like if the park opens at 8 a.m but toontown would open at 9 you you would be led into the park with everyone else so by the time you trekked back to toontown your hour was not a full hour it doesn't start from the time you get there it's start you have to walk over well it starts with like whenever they open the gates so you wouldn't open the gate early yeah get through the line and then walk all the way back yeah yeah and this in fear as a noted opponent of long walks as soon as you get to disneyland sure from my recent ailments but uh yeah no i just think it's funny that it's just

Starting point is 01:25:18 like you're having to explain it's like look i booked a vacation package through the walt disney travel agency like that's probably why they got rid in 2013 they just started doing those extra magic hours for like all resort guests like on site resort guests right so they got rid of it donald's boat i don't know what they're doing to that exactly but it's um they you know that had a slide that they don't do anymore uh so that's or that's been kind of scaled back for a long time. So I don't know what that means. Just say hopefully something neat happens there. Or it's going to be just a different color

Starting point is 01:25:52 and the slide still doesn't work. Very possibly, yeah. Gadget's Go Coaster, I believe, is turning into something else. I saw that deep in an article. Probably a re-theme. Right. But is staying a coaster like it's

Starting point is 01:26:06 it's the form yeah i think it'll still be that track we rode that with griffin right when he visited and i i don't think i had done it before and i was like oh it's pretty pleasant little family coaster like if i was less for 15 seconds it's the shortest thing but it's really as soon as it's over like yeah that was it i get it for like a little kid is like their first coaster like oh you get a little taste of it but yeah yeah but um yeah they're not gonna do they're just gonna call i'm i mean there is the chip and dale movie coming out and i assume gadget because monterey jack is in the movie have they revealed the plan with gadget but i don't know what the plan with Gadget is. Do you know the plan?

Starting point is 01:26:45 I don't know. I don't know. But I have been thinking this is, if the idea here is we're getting rid of Gadget because people don't know Gadget anymore. Right. Gadget's from Rescue Rangers. You're right. It's odd to do that right before there's a move.

Starting point is 01:26:57 Maybe it isn't. Maybe they aren't taking her out. I think I would be disappointed because I could admit that Gadget is probably or was. Let's say was. Uh-oh. Probably. Uh-oh. The primary cartoon character who I had a crush on.

Starting point is 01:27:12 Wow. So many late episode revelations here. This must have come up. Talking about real dating history. Gadget never would have cheated on me in that bounce house. Gadget. Interesting. Gadget was very cool.

Starting point is 01:27:30 I liked Gadget. Yeah. I liked all the rest of her mind you see sure i'm not accusing you of anything i'm just saying gadget had a cool vibe from the show i could see that yeah um i feel like it was the vibe that i was attracted not the the mouse uh cast but not that she was a mouse. I'm not otherwise attracted to mice. And I know that I just said that sentence, and that makes it seem like that's not the case. It does seem like we're not putting any pressure on you to force you to say something like that, but that just came out. I just want to put that out there that you offer that up on your own. Yeah, because that's what you do when you don't know.

Starting point is 01:28:04 Look, she's got cool hair i don't think this is that unheard i think this is within the realm of uh you know fox robin hood or um is it roxanne from the goofy movie oh yes yeah sure yeah right yeah well they're anthropomorphic they They have human voices, you know. I don't think the attraction to Roxanne is based on a big wet nose. I don't think that's why. Well, I can't speak for everyone. I was not interested in Mimi LeFleur when I was younger.

Starting point is 01:28:42 She was only in the, oh no, she was, I think, in the cartoon too. Yeah, she was in the cartoon and the comic. I'm trying to think now. Jason, are there any King Features into the kit or Popeye characters you would like to clear the air and say that you're not, you weren't into them?

Starting point is 01:28:54 Oh, I wasn't into? Okay, I was gonna say like, well, I'm sure everyone had a crush on Blondie, but of course she's taken and I don't think she'd ever leave Dagwood. That's why nobody was given these rights to disney because walt was dagwood was all right afraid walt wouldn't right he knows walt's reputation and he heard uh i'm trying to i'm really trying to think of all the disney afternoon characters who was i most attracted to uh let's think here um magica dispel maybe

Starting point is 01:29:27 from ducktail no no maybe pete's wife on goof troop what was pete's wife like wasn't her name peg peg from goof troop what was her uh she was just kind of like a like a mom like a cool mom peg from when i when i hear that i think of like don't you know but that's bobby's mom on bobby yeah yeah yeah i don't know i don't have such a yeah you remember peg come on scott peg yeah i don't know i but this isn't such a strong memory of of anything i'm just trying to figure out um she's you know she's very much mom it's a mom style she's like an old saloon dress in this photo yeah i mean one or two channels over i mean you had um the batman animated series with cat woman every cat woman i think has been someone's crush well yeah when you get to when yeah when you get to like i'm

Starting point is 01:30:17 trying to think of like pre sort of like puberty things like it's like like when you're 12 and 13 like you love every ex woman on the x-men that's not weird yeah but i'm trying to think of that weird thing where your like brain is starting to like get confused it's like seeing a half human half animal and it's like what do i feel yeah yeah by the way in google imaging for peg from goof troop this is a tweet from 2018 from the user jack's blade fitness and the tweet is you ever from 2018 from the user JacksBladeFitness. And the tweet is, you ever realize Peg from Goof Troop, Pete's wife, openly cheated on her husband with Goofy numerous times. And there are a bunch of photos of her kissing.

Starting point is 01:30:56 And this is the one, because here she's a little more revealing, right? What? This is like a cocktail dress. And she is laying it on Goof in glasses are these real reason i yeah i think so i mean or else they were expertly vhs aged wow what is that i mean i really just threw that out i don't have such a strong memory of all the storylines and gook true moments technically that he pulled but maybe there were more um geez we're finding out who all the all the cheaters are in the disney world i pete seems like he checked out a long time he was a bad yeah he was kind of

Starting point is 01:31:31 a bad guy oh he's yeah he doesn't seem available emotionally weeks at a time yep right that's a perfect comparison where are you going none of your business i i thought of the older, a crush, because I mean, so many of like the women on Disney Afternoon, were like very young. Yes. Yeah, yeah. But the age that I would have been, like pre-Nick too, I mean, because I feel like the characters on Doug were more like human-like.

Starting point is 01:32:02 But Penny from Inspector Gadget, She had a lot of gumption. That's a human. That's a child, though. Oh, that's even a child. You're looking for more anthropomorphic. We're looking for animals, so it's not weird, Jason. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, I'm just trying to, the animals is an interesting question.

Starting point is 01:32:19 Yeah, the only acceptable answers are animals. Yeah, because Robin, yeah, Fox Robin Hood, that's what really fucks with us as little kids, is that type of thing. Was the girl one, was Mary attractive? Yeah, she was cute. There you go. You're pretty sure about that. You know what?

Starting point is 01:32:38 You've listened to over 300 episodes of this podcast. We don't talk about women, except now this episode when we're talking about half animal, half women. Oh, what's her face? From the rescue ranger or not the rescue ranger, the rescuers.

Starting point is 01:32:52 Oh, Bianca. Yeah. The mouse? That was the other Gabor. Yeah, the other mouse. It was Ava Gabor.

Starting point is 01:32:59 It was Ava Gabor. Yeah. Come on, Jason, know your Gabor's. I mean, I was as a kid, I did watch a lot of Gabor based content looking back. Jaja Gabor's. I mean, I was as a kid. I did watch a lot of Gabor-based content looking back.

Starting point is 01:33:07 Zsa Zsa Gabor is Miss Minerva on the 60s Batman. Ava Gabor was Bianca. Bianca Rescuor. Bianca Rescuor. You should know these things. So anyway, everybody, I was about to, you know what? I was about to call for the listeners to tell us, but we don't want to see that shit. We really want to open it.

Starting point is 01:33:26 I don't want to open this box. No, thank you. Theirs will be so much weirder than ours. Ours are perfectly acceptable mice. Ours are normal. So don't take Gadget out of the park.

Starting point is 01:33:42 Do take all the Bounce House stuff. Bounce Houses are evil. I was attracted to Mrs. potts is that true no no no that's just a little joke the duster or the now the duster we can all agree if you everyone's allowed to answer that question if they just post pictures of the duster yeah yeah everybody's our feed is 300 you are opening a pandora's box with that you are i am yeah that i could find duster stuff in a few minutes yeah we know don't even don't will it into existence um i feel like we where do we go from there we could say dry things about how they're changing this this land but i mean why would we want to yeah yeah um food food leaves a lot to be desired it always has i wonder if

Starting point is 01:34:33 they're gonna do anything with that yeah there's like a hot there's a pluto hot dog place and a um a frozen yogurt at one point in time but if any of these been open in the in the recent past at all i don't think some of them some of these been open in the in the recent past at all i don't think some of them some of the stuff did not reopen after the pandemic reopening um yeah i mean if you put some of the stuff from florida where you you know they have different colored like cones with like soft serve and they add some sprinkles or like a little white chocolate like character or something well now you're getting into your crushes well now i'm getting into my crush but that seems like an easy like an ice cream stand with like you know

Starting point is 01:35:10 fun ice cream back in toontown seems like a slam dunk and not like i think probably you don't want to have a meal back there okay is your answer the the characters from the let's all go to the lobby short was there like a sexy ice cream cone get ourselves a treat I don't go to the lobby with you follow you anywhere I mean we're done right

Starting point is 01:35:37 you survived podcasting there's probably other things about Toontown because we like boy we got caught in lore there. If we missed anything you want to hear us talk about it, we could break off into its own episode. Certainly let us know. Also, we figured out we've got all these different, so many Mickey lands to get through. know uh what we didn't do so that we could talk about um mickey and his nixon relationship and uh and waltz cartoon cheating um you can find us on the socials at podcast the ride merch is available

Starting point is 01:36:18 in our t public store and for three bonus episodes every month uh check out podcast the second gate at patreon.com slash podcast the ride there's something i i have also that's me that i think is like an epilogue probably but it's also and i think it's applicable because it's in the realm of you know you're talking attraction between cartoon characters this was expressed uh beautifully uh in a song in a song from 1929 okay uh the song is called minnie's yoohoo uh the reason i'm bringing it up is there was there was some uh toontown video i was watching that said oh the song that's playing right now is minnie's yoohoo and that was a hit song for the disney company in 1929 it was the first uh song that disney released sheet music for which was of course the way that

Starting point is 01:37:06 you bought music before music was available to actually listen to um uh so anyway minis you who um i'd heard of this song definitely it's like oh like what are the what are the old classic disney so i even maybe had some book with minis, but I never pull it up and listen to it. And I have to play it. I'll play it and then I'll maybe describe what Mickey's, what he looks like or whatever. Okay, here now, 1929's Minnie's Yoohoo. I'm the guy they call the Mickey Mouse.

Starting point is 01:37:50 Got a sweetie down in the kitchen house. See the fast, nice, skinny, she's the house. But Winnie, she's my little Minnie Mouse. When I see you. Does he have consumption? We're looking at the toothiest Mickey you've ever seen. He's kind of Joker-fied. He's a very Joker-y 1920s Mickey.

Starting point is 01:38:18 All right, we got through one weird Mickey voice earlier. What is this? This is... It's also very old very old he's like an 80 year old mickey like a like he's human aged 80 years old if you look up who is doing this voice like is it is that walt yeah walt voiced mickey back then and the answer is no it is an unknown studio employee wow nobody wrote it down this is how much they didn't care about Mickey in the early days. Who should we have do Mickey? I don't know. That guy. Does he

Starting point is 01:38:48 work here? I don't know. Does he work anywhere? He's not going to ask for any money, so let's go. Him calling himself the guy is very unsettling. This is like there was a guy on his deathbed and they were like, let's let this guy do Mickey because he'll die before we have to pay him.

Starting point is 01:39:06 He's lived a hard life. Yeah. Look how haggard this man is, whether his face is. How old is he? He's 32. Oh, God. What happened? An old timer.

Starting point is 01:39:18 Let him be Mickey once. Then there is the opportunity, and you guys feel free to take this opportunity to uh sing along okay but a very frightening mickey bursts through the like a black wall it the way he opens the curtain and leers is like it feels like you're looking like it's morning and you don't know what happened to you the night before and then the doctor from the human centipede Pearson. Hello, good morning. This thing is so scary. But then like, all right, you sing along and the lyrics are on screens and early, the first karaoke perhaps.

Starting point is 01:39:53 But the voice they leave in here is like, what the fuck was music in the 20s? Like any of us, you plop us into 1929 exactly as we are with our current level of singing and the physical fitness. And we would all be the most dynamic star in the world. We're all straight to the top. Anyway, I'll play all this till we get tired of it. Now, everybody sing.

Starting point is 01:40:24 Ready? Go! I'm a little Mickey Mouse I'm sitting down By a chicken house Bring it closer He's a horse He's skinny

Starting point is 01:40:37 He's my little Minnie Mouse Very good! And it's reading time for the animals And they let us I can't mouse. Very good. When it's reading time for the animals. And they let us animals. I just turned my heel to the house hill and you'll hear me

Starting point is 01:40:56 sing this song. That's perfect. That was the if this were 1929 write that. That would have been the best song ever made. Perfect guy. Two perfect singers. From this into

Starting point is 01:41:09 My Bonnie Lies Over the Ocean, My Bonnie Lies Over the Sea, the audience would just lose their minds. They're unbuttoning the top button of the fourth shirt they're wearing. Ten times Beatles on Ed Sullivan. This raw sexuality. I can't handle it.. Ugh, this raw sexuality. I can't handle it.

Starting point is 01:41:27 Alright, bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you.

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