Podcast: The Ride - Universal Orlando's Horror Make-Up Show with Adam Sass

Episode Date: October 11, 2024

Adam Sass (Your Lonely Nights Are Over) reemerges from the shadows to haunt Hauntcast: The Fright with scary (but mostly pleasant and nice) recollections of Universal's long running make-up show.  "Monster Mashes" episode is up at: Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide  FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Flypods, Lemons vs. Limes, Gene Kelly's final feline role, and spooky talk about a dead pharmacy. All that plus Adam Sass returns to talk Universal's horror makeup show on today's HuntCast the Fright! Welcome to HauntCast the Fright, a ghoulish Scream Park podcast hosted by three men who are very scared of getting zapped by the Hostbusters. My name is Spikey Snarlgun. Joining me as always is... The Garewolf. Okay, great. And...

Jackalscaridin. Great, yeah. So we're all here today. We're all very scared. We're scared and scary today. And you're saying that the Hostbusters are people who bust hosts, that being us. Right. And if we were to get trapped into some sort of little machine that sucks hosts inside of it. First of all, uncomfortable for all of us.

We're long past social distancing, but to be all three trapped in a tiny box sounds tough. Yeah. Second of all, when do we get out of there and how do we do the show once we've been busted? Well, I guess we would go into some sort of a host containment unit. We would get out of the tiny trap, and then we would go into a bigger kind of hell zone, which is where the hosts go. So I suppose maybe that would offer more room, and then we could do our show from in there. A realm of entirely podcast hosts?

That sounds to me like heaven. Yeah, everybody. Everyone's idea. So many digressions. Wow. Can you believe this? So many half-remembered facts and anecdotes. Well, you're technically in a box.

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Let's introduce this ghost voice. Our special ghost today. Our special ghost today. Returning to Hauntcast, The Fright. He's the author of LGBTQIA books and an old character actor, name enthusiast. Ladies and gentlemen, Adam Sass is back. Hello, hello.

And for HauntCast, I am Damien the Exorcist. Yeah. Wow, that's cool. That sounds like a real character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to concentrate all the devil energy over here. Okay. As I usually do.

That could help us get out of the trap. Although we're still- Having the devil energy over here. Okay. As I usually do. That could help us get out of the trap. Although we're still- Having the devil involved? Well, an exorcist, I just think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's somehow- Oh, that's right. Reverse processes.

You're right, you're right. Well, I'm like a Beetlejuice type who's like, yes, I'm the Damien part. That's the devil part, but I'm also helping out. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. Sort of, yeah. Like a Dexter.

Yeah, Dexter or Beetlejuice which are similar uh characters now that I just realized that yeah so yeah well yeah I haven't thought about that so like if Beetlejuice if it was you were Beetlejuice but the way he was helping was I'm trying to remember who played Mel Cooley on the Dick Van Dyke show and you said Richard Deacon yes that would be the beat be your Beetlejuice's function. That's right, exactly. Yeah, I'm the Beetlejuice for old character actors from Nick at Night era. Right.

Yeah, mid-90s. Very helpful, though. Yeah, yeah. Needed. Very needed. For the show. There's an unmet need. Yes, more of those.

We need more old actor names. Yes, so yeah, thank you for coming back. Thank you for joining the Hauntcast again. I'm happy to be a regular Hauntcast ghoulie. Yes. So yeah, thank you for coming back. Thank you for joining the Hauntcast again. I'm happy to be a regular Hauntcast ghoulie. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a very fun, yes, space to be in. And today we are talking about something very near and dear to your heart, I would say.

Yeah. Currently called the Universal Orlando, Universal Orlando's Horror Makeup Show. That's right. And this is so like, I'm, you know, last time I was here to talk murder show right. And this is so like, I'm, you know,

last time I was here to talk murder, she wrote mystery theater. And I'm, I'm for whatever remaining OG, Universal Orlando things you all have left. I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I don't know. I feel like I'm, I'm, I'm scavenging for, for those, but. You're stalking them. Yeah.

Yeah. But this one is, this one's definitely more Halloween horror appropriate than the murder show. The murder show one was, you know, I think that was still appropriate, but now we're like- It was really, you suggested it,

but I think I rounded it up into Halloween not really knowing the contents of the show. Knowing that the word murder was in it and thinking, well, that'll be good for spin and a tiny amount of research. Well, shit. Sorry, I'm in the books. Let's not.

But this is way more, this is like a year-round thing that does have scary moments, scary clips and all that. So now we can really get into my horror bona fides here with that. But this is something that, yeah, I loved the show. And I think it's been several different iterations, but this has been around from the get-go. Right. This has lasted as something that's been around from the get-go we get to do something that we also did last time which is you

know we can only build these things up so much but you need somebody with a true presence and a strong voice to tell you what the attraction's all about and that means i get to consult one of the great texts the magic of the movies video with john forsyth and i think once you hear this clip you'll understand why it needed to be played because we're never going to explain the attraction as succinctly as john forsyth does heroes and heroines were the idols of our daysains and monsters haunted our nights. The terrors that lurk outside the circle of firelight or in the hidden places where

darkness is the deepest. These are the elements of our most enduring type of storytelling and entertainment. Universal gained the reputation as Hollywood's home of horror in the 20s and early 30s. Bela Lugosi, Dracula, Boris Karloff, Frankenstein.

Was that a scary crow that they piped in, or was that just a regular crow hanging out during the shoot? It was just some guy circling John Forsythe, sensing his time was approaching. The Grim Reaper was bringing the crow. Sounds good, but white hair seems to be kind of getting through that sentence a little bit that does seem like uh the the opening of universal orlando was so fraught with troubles

like jaws didn't work king khan kept breaking down it would be apropos if they were like also there's a murder of crows haunting this park you cannot clear out we cannot clear out the crows they're a protected species uh we had to leave their habitat there well spielberg has the big film strip and he's got the scissors he's about to cut and then he just hears and he just throws him off and he's like okay he grabs his hat reveals that spielberg's been bald the whole time what well you know i mean i but i love i thank you for bringing back my guy john foresight uh and i it's because the it so i i uh i hope you're sitting down uh i did re rewatch the entire making of the movies ahead of this because I can't just watch a little clip.

I had to watch the whole thing. No, that little morsel, yeah. Yes, and I just am in love with John Forsythe's just line readings. I mean, everything he said, like I know we're in this age of like, that sounds like Chad GPT wrote that. This does, this script was written by

a human being and it does sense like it was an early version of ai wrote a lot of these sentences because they're so clunky and the way this magic of the movies opens he says something i'm going to paraphrase i had it written down but i lost it but it was just um he was he's just describing the act of going to the movies like he just in the most rudimentary way he's just describing the act of going to the movies. Like he just, in the most rudimentary way, he's just like the filmmakers of, you know, yesteryear, you know, entranced our minds and imaginations in the same way that our bodies were

entranced by the popcorn and soft drinks that we had. He hits the syllables weird. And it just sounds like it was chatty PT wrote it and you're having an ai voiceover guy read it and you're just but no it's just it was the magic of foresight that that came organically so strange it's so highfalutin and what does any of it mean and that clip i just played like does that actually i mean he got to horror but we didn't quite get to the show he does a little bit later but like the the weird past tense and you know like lovers and heroes lit up our days but villains and spooks haunted our nights why is it past tense there's I got news for you John there's still movies now they're still making them that's it

feels like it feels like someone like if he came in now i'd be like oh he's eulogizing you know movies are you know you know i'm he's eulogizing the way we kind of do movies because movies are you know in this kind of flux period right now but um you know i think yeah definitely back in like 1990 when movies were just in their absolute prime high points just everything even just the 17th movie at the box office is just some beloved thing that you just watched on hbo all the time i love this this genre of youtube video where it's like people buy movie tickets in 1997 and like one weekend the movies that are playing it's like blockbuster after blockbuster after blockbuster at one time.

Oh, I mean, every time I'm listening to Plank Check and they do the box office game, I'm just like, God, what a week. What a week that was. And they all did immensely well. It's like, wow, number nine is great. Oh, to be in a theater seeing Mr. Wrong now. now it is funny to think that john forsyth is talking like very poetically about a show that will eventually have clips of the lost world and the frighteners yeah our greatest days are ahead of us is coming that that's my favorite part is that the most recent movies a lot of them are like kind of duds

and we're gonna get into this but like it is one of those things where i wonder how many days this show has i mean i hope it's continuing i hope it's like a well attended show but um it's just like we don't really do makeup a lot like not as much we're kind of doing i was researching like best makeup act you know winners oscar winners and you're just sort of seeing the last sort of 10 years are really defined by like we're gonna make like the defining makeup of the last like 10 years really has just been like we're gonna make uh charlie's theron look like megan kelly or or like which wasn't saying which wasn't i looked very spookily correct um but then like it's really just defined by like we're really just makeup now is just we're doing uh really

iffy fat suits now like that seems to be what like what makeup is doing like a lot of the best makeup actors i think there was like the year the whale one was just like it was that and then colin farrell doing that in the penguin and right batman like there was just i think that was that year there was like three of the four or five best makeup actors were like yes that was um overweight makeup you were putting on yeah and it just seems like i'm like god we're not really in the rick baker glory days right now of like you know because it does seem to be more defined by like digital manipulation hopefully it is it may be you know maybe it's just one or two swinging back but i saw an interview with michael keaton about beetlejuice beetlejuice and they eat him and tim burton were kind of like

as much practical stuff as we can as little cg we can be I and I think that's I mean from the reviews that are starting to pour in are just like yes correct yeah like yeah that worked and that's just the tactile and you can feel it I think that's I think that's another reason why like it's just horror is so fun it's because you're just it all kind of kind of feel like it feels like it feels like that's still a good haven for makeup it still feels like that's a good place to get lots of good practical effects like everybody who's doing horror seems to like be really like kind of you know both feet deep in on you know doing things practically doing things

in this way we're like we're gonna try to invent these new mechanisms for blood splatter and this sorts of things and it it still does feel relevant that's why i'm like i hope it continues because i do think there is still this really strong um avenue for well and it's still it still works as a show to see in a theme park and it's not you know how it's maybe if it's less appealing to see other you know a special effects show or to even like go look at backlots that's because of how much is done digitally at this point. There is still really crazy makeup in movies all the time, and it's still physical and tactile,

and you can, like, it's, yeah, I don't know, and with the blood and everything, it is a good thing to do in front of an audience in a theme park setting. I guess just the basic cliff notes to say about this is that this is a show that's been going since opening day of Universal Florida. And the basic thing, I guess,

is that you are going to see a demonstration in a makeup lab, but also like a creature effects lab. Where there's, I guess it's, one guy or girl is more hosty and the other performer is more the experts in the uh makeup or blood and guts and gore area and together they give you a demonstration person in suit and then person in hawaiian get up in yeah like and then that's enough of that one yeah and And while a lot has changed about the show over the years, that basic construct has stayed,

and where they do it has stayed. And with that, it's kind of interesting. I think I definitely saw places pointing out maybe the only Universal Opening Day attraction besides E.T. Adventure that still remains remains and then if you add it up and somebody correct me if i'm wrong is this not the final in all of orlando show that is about how movies are made unless you count indiana jones stunt spectacular there's still that component of we're shooting this but it's a little bit more you get lost in the, you know,

in Indy's world and the stunt. But in terms of like here is a specific, because there's no animation tour, there's no special effects stages. Right. There's no, here's how Foley works in Disney or Universal. So this is kind of the last man standing. I think like so much horror keeping people in theaters, horror is keeping, how do they do that kind of around

you know because i think like a lot of times with digital i'm not like a i'm not a huge digital hater but like there is an element that takes the mystery out because you're just like oh i'm sure you know a computer did that i know there's like a more sophisticated answer to that but i think for the masses you do end up in a situation where there's less curiosity because you're like, I'm sure somebody just did a thing on a computer and it's fine. And there is not that sort of deeper level of like, here's how that gets done. And then this is what that's like. I wonder if there is a compelling theme park show based around computer like graphics or something yeah could you do like a admittedly insultingly remedial version where you're like just doing like okay yes here's how you you know here's how someone who's you know

here's how you do like a mocap they're gonna do like there's a mocap room there's gotta be there's gotta be something like that happen volume definitely yeah themselves more than past generations of uh because of how digital effects yeah because usually it's just a montage with all the different uh stages like you see a gray mummy and then you see another mummy with a little more detail and it is always the mummy still yeah universal kind of got set on when we show people how computer characters are made it will always be actor arnold vaslu and look you don't have to tell me i love arnold vaslu oh yeah that's fine i want to get them all back let's get them all back for number four you know we we brought brendan frazier's comeback steven summers needs to have

his um do you know the story about how he like in a house that was apparently, like people say, was cursed? No. Like Britney Spears owned it, I think. Oh, I've heard this. Yeah. Went through all this stuff, and then he bought it, and then had like these movies. Like all his movies were hits, and then he did Van Helsing, and it was kind of barely broke even and then he he just got stuck doing he blamed the box office bomb on the house is what you're saying people were saying okay that

sounds that sounds kind of fun though to just be like van helsing was you know if you didn't like it it's my house it goes along with you while i made it so how would it be good how was it going to work universal has treated i feel like universal has treated van helsing uh in the peter jackson king kong it's like the biggest movies of the 21st century they're they're they're still contractually obligated to speak like that i think i feel like they're they signed some yeah they sent some faustian deal back then to just be like well in perpetuity you have to speak about it as if it um yeah yeah and i i saw king kong when it opened that when you're at christmas i think i've seen half of van helsing on tnt they know drama um but i i have seen this show a lot uh so you're saying

it's better because you've seen it oh this well i can i can vouch for it you're saying it's better because you've seen it? Oh, this? Well, I can vouch for it. You're the tastemaker. I am, yeah. You're like, well, if I haven't seen it, it's not really close to, you know. Van Helsing's worth half a watch. Van Helsing equals Olivia Rodriguez. You've only seen the first half of Van Helsing. I've seen 25 minutes of Van Helsing, and I've seen all of this 25 minute show a number of times. Listen if you've only seen the first half

of Van Helsing you've missed the best part which is for an entire generation there's a whole there's a whole like werewolf thing at the end of Van Helsing that like all of the like monster lovers on Twitter are just like that was my root list when I was like

young like they were just like that fucking like stuck in their heads and they're just because it's just like this it's just like it's like a ripped guy with like a werewolf head on it so it's just like it's and it's just it like stuck for a lot of people so yeah you missed out on this that second half man i gotta fire a peacock where i would assume it would be but it is probably not listen peacock is like got everything low-key peacock and tubi you're saying that's i'm everything. Low key, Peacock and Tubi. That's what I'm telling you. All you need is Peacock and Tubi.

And you've got all of cinema covered. Tubi has, I got to go home and watch because I just discovered Tubi has Cats Don't Dance, which is Gene. Listen, hold on. Okay. Go ahead. All right. I didn't know this.

Just know where you started. I was going to turn your mic off, but because you said, hold on, I will hold on. Go ahead. All right. I didn't know this. Just know where you started. I was going to turn your mic off, but because you said hold on, I will hold on. Hold on. I was reading about the Emperor's New Groove, okay, and I started reading about the director, and it says he briefly left Disney to direct Cats Don't Dance, credited as Gene Kelly's final film role because he is the choreographer. Okay. Of the cat.

Of the cats? The character is kind of inspired by him and I'm like, I didn't know this. I thought it was just about like a slick looking cat. So now I have to go watch this because I love Gene Kelly.

So when you see Danny T. Cat, you're really seeing Gene Kelly for the last time. But he didn't motion capture it. I don't think they were there yet. No word on if he did any choreography for the penguin named Pudge. No. Cat says cats don't dance.

There's no word on if Pudge dances. We don't know if penguins dance. It is a choice. I don't know. They do. There is, I don't want to, I don't like, you have to promise me you won't talk about something else for 20 minutes,

but I want to tell you quickly, Don Knotts is in this movie. He has TW turtle, an erotic superstitious turtle. You said neurotic, not erotic, right? Yeah.

Not to me, but you might feel differently. Cause the word was that Don Knotts like got around. He was a ladies man. You've heard this, I assume? Yes. I'm watching you. I gave my warning.

I shouldn't have said it at all. When Mike heard that, he did a Don Knotts-esque reaction. Googling a what? My hat flew off. You turned into him when he's mentioned. You're some early style.

I really do hope you get off on a tangent on this because it has been on my, it's on my bucket list to not just, now that I've been on Podcast to Ride, to be part of a false start episode. I was like, God, I really hope I can throw this into such a disarray that we have to do two. It's a way to buy yourself a second episode.

That's true. Well, look, you know, we can go down my different watch lists. I gotta get to Cats Don't Dance. I gotta finally watch Cool World. Tooby has John Lovitz's The Critic. Okay, these are all... Jason's gonna do the full start for you today. Here we go.

These are all advertisements in the comic books of the time and they loom so large because i'm like well i'm not gonna be able to see cool world that's for adults i'm for you for a year you look you've been 18 and over for a long time it's been legal for you to see many years since you were 18 many many years but i guess with that i'm scared i'm scared i'm intimidated I'm intimidated. I'm intimidated by Cool World. I think the thing to be scared of is it sucking.

Well, that's a good thing about a lot of 80s and late 80s, 90s animated stuff. About 70 minutes long. So not a huge investment. Sure, sure. Well, now the test for you with anything is does it pass the Helsing? Do you make it past the Helsing? I mean, look,

I don't want to date it, but I have a few days with nothing to do. Need to get my rest, so I could fire up Van Helsing, fire up Casto and Dance. You don't want to date it? You have a few days with nothing to do? I don't want to date it of saying what holidays

are coming up up because we're recording a little early. How would you say you have nothing to do to date it? They all know Jason's schedule. We've already kind of discussed Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice is a movie that is about to open.

I think you can use the context. I was trying to be current. I didn't know how much we were talking about. What will cause Jason to have to leave the factory that eats his days and nights when he's not doing the podcast? Well, just know if you're tucking in with some of these movies with Tubi and you put on the second half of Van Helsing, just be prepared for something to awaken in you.

Okay. By the second half. No one's ever prepared. Here's my pitch. You get the volume, which is the big, like, fake screen. It's a screen. They shoot the Mandalorian on it

with, like, very ultra-detailed backgrounds. You bring Dad up. You put the motion capture suit on Dad, and then you cycle through funny scenarios on stage, and everyone eats it up this is a perfect recipe for a theme park show and modern version of what we like and what we miss listen you guys are fathers here so you just i don't want you to go the rest of your you know you know your fatherhood while you're while your kids are in the house you know and not get humiliated at a

theme park that's your that's a rite of passage we were all promised right and growing up yeah yeah i think everybody was moved by tim walls's son saying that's my dad right what we're since there's no chance of us uh becoming vice president or a vice presidential nominee we're waiting that moment will come when we're on stage wearing a feather boa right well you are competing with the other big uh theme park show participatory group um uh members of giant brazilian tour groups who have english as a second language okay that was the one show i watched oh this of the makeup show right right we went over the audience loved it like it Sure telling the show that there was a giant Brazilian tour group

I think she alluded to Like the group And she was like English was her second language And the hosts were Speaking they were using that As like well it's about to be A bad day for you and then they

Cut into her What I love about the horror makeup show is that There are were using that as like well it's about to be a bad day for you and then they you know cut into her what i love about the horror makeup show is that there are you could just type that into youtube and none of us will see the same episode oh yeah none of us will see the same show there's a different yeah and we've come across things and recently we're like we're just watching one person's home movie of this huh this case there's a ton of recent ones and then like i don't remember what year i i think you know probably like 91 or 93 oh yeah hopefully we can all bring different jokes to we can all just recite very dryly different jokes from our performances to each other i did read um this is one of universal's official websites but a few years ago on this blog, Discover Universal

there was a long profile of two actors that have been doing this show forever and they've been doing lots of shows in Orlando. Summer Aiello and Robin Kelly and they talk about doing this show and how it's changed over the years and now like

if they're coming in and they're working together sometimes they rock, paper, scissors for who's going to be those and who's going to be the effects expert. Wow. And it's really fun. They know it so well, they can flip it easily. And also, yeah, well, to that end, it seems like a show in which improv is allowed and encouraged and included, which I don't think is the case with a ton of these things,

especially things, shows where there's sort of like tight brand management. But there isn't with this, because they're talking about universal horror in general. Yeah. And it sort of is its own IP within just, you know, all that has to happen is a guy in a Hawaiian shirt has to be very passionate about Jack Pierce or whatever.

But beyond that, you could sort of do what you want. Lon Chaney, man of a thousand faces. And that's because the original iteration of this was called the Phantom of the Opera Horror Makeup Show. Yes. So that was the first time this clunky name was clunky. And it opened where you went into this opening room, you know,

much like you kind of did in all the, in the Murder, Shrew one, the Hitchcock one, was you went into this pre-show room, probably where they wrapped up the next thing. And then this one was, there was a guy dressed as Phantom of the Opera,

you know, original Lon Chaney Phantom of the Opera, and he had a mask on. And then he did a little, ah, you know, kind of while they had like a room full of the opera, and he had a mask on, and then he did a little, you know, kind of, while they had like a room full of props and posters and whatnot,

and then he kind of did his spooky intro, and I'm not sure if they do that anymore. They don't do that anymore. That was also the big ending of the show was not Eddie the werewolf. It was the fly chamber. And that's the one I remember because that was the fly chamber which um you know no offense to eddie the werewolf but like you know the the fly chamber thing was like so impressive because like you're they had um uh the hawaiian shirt guy like would go in the one

of the pods and you know and you know everyone be like no don't get in the pod you'll turn into a fly and then uh and then he appears in the next one really it's somebody else who's already got you know sort of halfway to fly makeup applied in the hawaiian shirt and i think that might be why they had that guy in the hawaiian shirt because they're like oh i remember that's the the shirt that's the same shirt the guy's wearing oh quickly you could recognize me like oh my god it's the same person but it's a very recognizable shirt. And then he comes out and then he goes back. This is not proper fly world building,

but this is how they did this in the show. You can't just go back in and solve it. Go back in one, came out half fly, went into the other pod, came out full beast fly. And then he's like, get back in in there and then came out normal at the other one so you just needed to kind of crisscross if it were that easy yeah that would have solved all of the film's problems davis would not need to be so terrorized it was yeah saw the movie and you know what honestly there should be more david cronenberg representation at theme park

let's get a videodrome hornet's house let's get a scanner's house oh my god that would be scary yeah well i think let's let's get in uh infinity pool uh into the yeah let's get the just in general there's just like a body horror sort of thing and it's really like interesting how because the original and i i'm sorry i'm gonna i'm gonna if everybody remembers the last one i'm mr i only remember 1982 and i don't recall anything else um but i'm just gonna talking to and he's listening there you go so i'm just like so they had the fly and then they had the american royal from london change-o heads as part of this as well yeah i think they still lean on those pretty heavily because they're still very impressive and they're at the Academy Museum now still too.

So they're kind of all over the place. Which is an interesting demonstration that that is not – it's not prosthetics. It's like – although it's related to prosthetics and Rick Baker did it. But they're like – that there's two steps of molds based on the actor's head. One that is getting somewhat more wolfified and one that's all the one that has the mechanisms to make the face stretch like crazy which is also it's so interesting to watch too because you're like oh it's the same it's also the thriller thing when i forgot john landis did this too so john landis made that movie and then two years later michael jackson said will you just do the

same thing for me correct and then it kind it kind of, that sort of lives, I'd say, higher up in pop culture than the movie. That's just a strange, like, hey, good job, me too. It's one of those things where, so like, I love American Werewolf on London. I think it's fascinating that um that that uh that that's like that's such a like hyper toxically straight uh guy um you know made a very fun fascinating zippy sometimes accidentally queer uh movie but it came from such a rat bastard and you're just like and i'm just like one of those things where i'm like i love that movie so much but they're like oh you're like a landis guy and i'm just like no every other movie no who would i think

this is like i'm a landis guy i think so yeah and i think that's one of those things where that's a movie that's kind of lived on they still use it in a lot of clip shows they use it it's a horror staple it's really really great it is a movie that I think like like Zemeckis with Death Becomes or he just accidentally stumbled onto like gold with that and a lot of it is the makeup I think I that's Rick Baker's movie to me like it's I think these are a lot that landis you know did or whatever but like but like i think the the power of that is really rick baker who like looms large over this show um horror makeup show and and you know film makeup horror makeup in general um did he consult on it maybe i think he may have at least like hey probably i think they talked to him and he said yeah i got these mechanisms i think he like personally donated the yeah american werewolf stuff i believe yeah because it was it was i mean because you had

the two change-o heads which are which are you know prosthetic because that whole sequence took um a week to shoot i mean and that it's like a few minutes of the movie and each like i think day was like two or three shots like it was truly like it just truly like this laborious thing that like everyone involved with now which was like oh i wouldn't do it the same way but it's like it's the thing everybody remembers about the movie but um but like i he must have consulted on this because a lot of like his um mentees and mentors are kind of in that there is this sort of like the more i've been was investigating this the more i was like um like you know because he was mentored by um dick smith who did um a lot of the stuff that gets featured in this he did the exorcist um and dick smith did a ton of stuff and

um and then he mentored rob botten who did the howling at the same time so like there's a lot of just like passing this knowledge down i would say through the generations but really through 15 years they just very quickly a lot of them were like 70s and 80s when there really was a lot of this like horror like you know revolutionary doing that kind of stuff where you could really the production code was over and you could really just go gnarly on a lot of these effects um but uh yeah one of the one of the movies that gets brought up a lot in in the original version that i remember really scaring me was something is a movie that like not a lot of people talk about now is um ghost story which was 1981 oh yes i watched that a couple years ago and read the book

yeah it's um it's a peter straub yeah book and it got made into this movie with like a slew of like golden age of like fred astaire is in it oh wow i've never seen this fred astaire melvin douglas like douglas fairbanks jr melvin douglas yeah and like there's like a whole bunch of that era guys who are like 80 when they made this movie which was like 81 and it's just about them being haunted by this young woman that they killed killed when they were teenagers they accidentally killed and the whole thing was just like there was like a i can't remember what it was but it's like it's a really freaky movie i highly recommend it it's um really nuts if you if you're if you're down to watch like a horror movie you highly recommend it it's um really nuts if you're if you're if you're down to watch

like a horror movie you've never seen it's 81 uh but it featured so prominently in this show um because they brought out the the ghost woman because it's this sort of this rotting ghost skeleton woman oh that's from the okay okay we're sort of sort of a half decaying face yes yeah because she's they accidentally like oh she they they're struggling and she fought i can't remember what it is but like it's one of those accidentals grapple grapple grapple oh no accidentally dead what do we do uh we we have we have bright fuges ahead of us we're young men we gotta we gotta put her in the car and drown the car and they do that and then oh she wasn't really dead and so she like drowns in the car and i remember like they showed

the clip of that in this show i remember being you know like just very little watching this and just being and she's just and it's um uh if i'm pronouncing her name wrong alice krieg who's board queen yeah yeah who's in silent hill just who's horror queen yeah um and she's like a very young woman in this movie uh but she's extremely they very early on she was able to tap into i am a sinister person i'm a sinister presence and um like so like she's very sweet but she very easily taps into that sinister energy got an intense look yes yes and uh yeah and i just remember like the way she's like pounding on the window of the car as the car sinks beneath the dark lake. And it just was like, it just stuck with me.

So even when I knew we were going to be doing this episode, I was like, the first image popped in my head was like, oh, the lady in the car. Oh, wow. Stuck with you, yeah. Which I feel like became like a trope in the car sinking. Like is it the Simpsons maybe? Like it became a thing where it's like

oh I don't know what that is originally from maybe it's just that clip is in where she's like almost yeah she's banging on the windows maybe it's a lot of those AFI specials or something it jumped like you know so like yeah the AFI specials

where it was like oh the 100 scariest movements in movie history. And they did that around like 2002. And so it's like you get a lot of nice 80s, 70s that way. But can I just say really quick, I'm looking at Alice Krieg's Wikipedia and it's like a it's a big list of, you know, many great films and things that basically I'm looking at blue links, meaning I haven't clicked on it and there's only one purple that I have clicked on and that is uh the tv movie dynasty the making of a guilty pleasure in which she plays Joan Collins I believe and I've like okay so I've only clicked on this and why

I've never watched dynasty I've pursued what is up with a TV movie just about the making of Dynasty which wouldn't be the first time I've watched a full making of bad TV movie about a show I've never seen I just like a good hammy representation you love an unauthorized

like the real person's threatening legal action yeah so wrong yeah that they maybe have to change characters names because it was so like the real person's threatening legal action. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wrong, yeah, that they maybe have to change characters' names because it was so not close. Actually, recently they were fun. Like there was the cheapest cheapo

of Saved by the Bell and Full House and a lot of good ones of Mork and Mindy way in the past. But then I looked and then I'm like, oh, well, you know what? This is what I forgot, which ties it together, is that John Forsythe was on Dynasty. So he's portrayed

if, oh, I think maybe I gotta see this, somebody playing John Forsythe in something, and Alice Cree, and somebody as Heather Locklear? Whoa, really? This is going in my queue. I feel like, I need you to report back, because I feel like I'm gonna have a high level of expectation

for who's playing Forsythe. Oh, yeah. I'm like, no, you need to get that rhythm right. Bartholomew John. Anyone heard of Bartholomew John? You had a big pop hit in Australia in the 70s. Whoa. Cue it up. Bartholomew John.

So close us out. Bartholomew John's hit, Someone from Australia. It's very funny. I was trying to figure out the connection because when you played the John Forsythe clip earlier, I searched him and one of the second or third suggestions was John Forsythe,

Joan Collins. And I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. Yes, yeah. Forsythe got around. Yeah, no, he was, and I don't,

I feel like it's one of those things where like I have a question about him, but I don't want to know. I want him to live as a legend in my mind. Oh, yeah. I feel like it was like he seems like a Shakespeare guy, but I like't want to know. I want him to live as a legend in my mind. Oh, yeah. I feel like it was like he seems like a Shakespeare guy,

but I like thinking of him as a guy who was like never really touched Shakespeare, but he just acted. He carried himself with the gravitas. Oh, I see. Yeah, yeah.

But mainly did introductions for rides and stuff. Let me, can I back up and play something from, let me go back to the Magic of the Movies thing. Nice.

A little bit more where he introduces it and then you get a little of this Phantom of the Opera thing too. Because this is, it's go back to the Magic of the Movies thing. Nice. A little bit more, where he introduces it, and then you get a little of this Phantom of the Opera thing, too. Oh, yeah. Because this is, it's not going to play to the listener super well, but we'll talk about what happens here. One of the best-known classics of all time. The secrets of metamorphosis from human to horror

are excitingly revealed in the gory, gruesome, and grotesque horror makeup show. So this... The lamp is teetering up top. Yes, the chandelier. And then... You have entered my theater, and you are now my guests. You shall learn secrets of makeup and effects, which I have chosen to allow.

No more, no less. These secrets of the craft are for you and for no others Should you choose to ignore this warning You will incur my eternal wrath I have you now You will learn the history of Of how Rick Baker's secrets were passed on from he who hath done the makeup for the Godfather. Do this at once or you will be mine forever. I'm in love with the no more, no less.

Yeah, that implies. You will not learn how to be a best boy or a grip in this. You will only learn how to be a best boy or a grip in this. You will only learn makeup. Yes. Like if we are somehow given a subpar show, he will descend upon the hosts as well. Yeah. Like if you're given a lesser show. It should be on them, not for me. I'm just sitting there.

What did I do? Sticking up for us. I'm trying to learn like you told me, Phantom. Right. But also, I think what you couldn't really hear is that the Phantom is revealed by bursting through like a poster. Yeah. And I saw footage of that too.

You've got a homecoming game. Somebody was like right in front of it. Yeah, yeah. I don't want to get through the banner. But a much darker, scarier iteration of that, which would have, it does scare, like this is a pretty big character with a pretty big creepy face.

And then I'm also logistically like, wow, they had to print a new one of those posters for every single show. They probably did this like, I don't know, at least seven times a day. The printing costs alone of this production. I don't know. I don't know if I remember him jumping through that thing. I think maybe like he could be one of those like it could be like a Disney thing where they're like, all right, we're really going to wail on this for the first three months, and then it's going to seriously peter off. They did it for the film.

They put it in the video, and then they stopped. Well, it's also unclear to me. I don't know exactly when it became, because John Forsythe said the other name. There was this Phantom of the Opera pre-show that didn't really seemingly affect the main show, and then at some point it was renamed the great big clunky title the gory gruesome and grotesque horror makeup yeah i was so when you were the foresight clip was playing i was like wait he's he's using the language that it eventually gets changed to i just riffed that they named after i feel like the universal parks copywriters room had two warring,

and there was just a team of gory, gruesome, grotesque, and there was a team of, no, we gotta brand manage this Phantom of the Opera. All those 90s, 80s kids love Phantom of the Opera. Weber musical's out. It's it. And they'll get fooled into it, and then I think they kind of split the diff

and snuck the terminology in there. There might have been phantom after the rename but the yeah the pre-show doesn't really other than you just have to like sit in there and wait like you're trying to have fun with your hawaiian shirt guy but you're like oh is the phantom gonna get me if he sees me yawn right am i getting yanked out of the ceiling do i have to go live in the rafters with him now that's so funny that almost it's so funny that a lot of the ceiling? Do I have to go live in the rafters with him now? That's so funny that almost, it's so funny that a lot of the opening day attractions at Universal have this like,

we have to make it fun and theatrical. That being said, it's about making things. So we have to figure out both ways. And it was a constant adjustment until it's all just been gone as far as showing you how to make anything. Well, they were also like, the early making of

universal stuff there's so much of like all right we can't be disney we got to go against it we're we're gonna be a little edgier we're gonna be a little bawdier um uh just to clarify and i only because i saw this on that universal profile, this attraction apparently opened two weeks after the grand opening. So opening month, June 19- Don't take it away from them. No. Opening day counts. All of the other accounts are-

But, you know, so imagine opening day- No, my credit is moved. No, I'm not the OG guy. It is I am cutting the chandelier. It's falling. Okay, forgive me, but what the hell was anyone doing opening day? Because Jaws didn't work. The Back to the Future wasn't there yet.

King Kong is breaking. There's a murder of crows menacing everyone. Was my gang at Murder, She Wrote Mystery Theater just holding it down, preventing a riot from happening? Seems like. Yeah. They're like, all right, keep it up. Stretch it out.

This is on our show. Let's do the best damn Foley effects demonstration anybody ever did. We prolonged the ADR section. We really got to take another socket wrench to King Kong. We got the shot of everyone walking down the main entryway. And yeah, Murder, She Wrote and Hanna-Barbera holding down the fort. Woody Woodpecker and Fred Flintstone arm in arm with Robert Urich.

Yeah. We have all the promotional shots we need. Were they giving out refunds the first few weeks, months? I have to imagine. I wonder. I don't know. I've never seen any like language that suggests that, but you would think people would have been furious. I feel like I feel like in

lieu of a refund, I would have preferred to just watch Spielberg get visibly more distressed in the park. I don't know if he was visible to the park guests. I don't know when that was happening, but yeah. I feel like if he was in a sort of a, if he was just pilloried in the middle of like Mel's Dine-In, it was just like sort of sitting there just being like,

my rivalry with Eisner, I can't. This is supposed to go off without a hitch. It takes a few decades to get from like chaos of opening day to like, huh, that Mel's Dine's dying side for Horror Nights is pretty clever. What if we put it on magnets and t-shirts? Okay. And that's what's happening this year. Yeah.

It took a minute. It took to 33. It took to Horror Nights 33 before they're like, maybe we should sell merch of that Mel's dying side everyone likes. It's great. Yeah. It's great. I don't know.

They're like, you know, we always make fun of Disney being like fucking 10 years 10 years and 10 steps behind everything being like slow adopters and, you know, Universal's faster, but they're like five years and five steps behind. Yes. Nowhere close to, you know, there. They're better and they're better.

Is it possible that the experience of opening day universal made it more pressing for spielberg to make a movie about an amusement park where everything's breaking everybody's going on that's a good question like maybe it was probably existed already but he's like something about the book story is speaking to me right yeah yeah i think that you might be onto something. Because he might have been sweating to the same degree as Samuel L. Jackson. Yeah, Richard Attenborough, when he does the, like, damn, like, he was not getting the line right, and Spielberg was like, no, do it the way I did it. The day that everything broke.

It all happened to, yeah. I'm giving you a line reading. Don't care that you're one of the most well-established actors i'm just telling you you must you're my avatar right don't know what this is like it's possible that opening day he cut the ribbon they ushered him on et or maybe they did et the day before maybe he cut the ribbon went to the vip lounge for a diet coke and then left yeah maybe he didn't know about the chaos at all. He never heard. And Spielberg, they stopped him right before the Green Planet and they let him get off because he was too scared to go to the Green Planet.

For the moment of intimacy of hearing E.T. say his name. Right. It's too personal. He is scared of Teakley. Yes. Is this true? No. I swear you said it was his conviction.

This is a classic podcast rip. Oh, a good rip. It's a reference to how he got off at the top of the Jurassic Park ride. It was like I knew he got off at some point. You didn't want to go on the drop. No, we're nice and deep within many levels of reference. It's just buried in references. Yeah, yeah.

He also would not go in the edit bay for the BFG he was terrified of that BFG it's 2G he's frankly 2B and 2G I did not go to Universal Orlando when I was young we were a Disney family

until in my late teens unfortunately i have never seen the orlando show in person um but you guys by the way you and not so tangent here but you and jason have more we were a blank family yes and i've ever heard i don't think my family had any declarations about what kind of family that's the way to be that's just this is giving me because like my family went to both, but I don't think we ever had. I feel like when you say stuff like that, it gives me the impression that Universal was suggested and then your father angrily was like, no.

Not in this house. Look at yourself in the mirror. Now look at me. Now look at your mother. Do you see your eyes in her? Do you see your face in me? Know that I am a Disney man and you will be a disney man like me well these are very big it's very funny when it boils when it's a family it's like

we don't go to ihop we're denny's family you know yours are so granular i feel like you'll bust out out of nowhere you'll go like we were a lemons family yeah we hated limes i was taking a walk mother i was taking a walk and i bet some neighbors had limes sitting out in a basket mom just crushes it in her hand throws it back in your face ah lime sting i occasionally i never remember it's funny you say that i never remember having limes in the house but you might have guessed right but you know we always had in the house the plastic lemon filled with lemon juice oh yeah sure that is fortified and just lasts forever that was legit yeah that was the most seasoning or flake that was like that was the most seasoning juice in my ice water.

Wow. Lemon juice in ice water. I have never been, again, I've never been young. Here's a tip for a natural spring in your step. Lemon juice in ice water. This is a clip of you at 11 years old. Talking to a kid who's like, I came here because I heard you had video games. Should I go? Yes, you should go. Going up to Jason's lemonade stand and you're like,

sorry, you're misunderstood. It is lemon juice in ice water. It's none of this lemonade. The sugar of the lemonade. It's not lemonade. Are you kidding? Lemonade mix is so expensive these days. The country times on the top shelf. That's for the fancy occasion. What are you, are you kidding? Lemonade mix is so expensive these days. The country tines on the top shelf.

That's for the fancy occasion. That's for Christmas Eve. That's not for the riffraff here on the street. Just a squeeze. That's all the flavor you need. You know, if it's bedtime, you can just have some orange seltzer from Pathmark, you know, before you brush your teeth. Oh, God.

Is Pathmark a local place? They were from Pathmark, you know, before you brush your teeth. Oh, God. Is Pathmark a local place? I bet they were a Pathmark family. Pathmark, I think, got absorbed by one of the companies. ShopRite is still around, that grocery store. I think in Illinois it would have been Dominic's, probably, that sort of thing, or like a Chualasco. Yeah. I don't know where they is. I wonder if they were as big as Dominic's was as far as grocery stores in the Midwest.

But maybe, maybe that is the same. There was a place called Farmore in the Midwest for a while where I would rent video games and we would get prescriptions filled. So there were multiple things you could do at a Farmore. That sounds like a Rite Aid. Like you go there and you'd get your little square ice cream. And you could rent DuckTales on Nintendo. And they often would have it.

That was in Ipica. The Wegmans had a big video store in it. And I had never seen that before. Interesting. The grocery store with rentals. I don't think I ever even considered going to Universal when I was a child. I just look, we don't go there. So it was never a thing I asked to do.

So it's weird to even think about That's like the way Like your religion Is handed out to you Yeah Right Well I guess I'm I'm a Disney-ian

Right And then I think Spider-Man opened At Islands of Adventure Oh and that drew you And I said Well if we're going there We should go to

Spider-Man right And it was like Oh okay yeah So we can go to We can go to Universal then. So that's it. So there was not, there was no protest.

It just needed to be vocalized. I think, yeah, no, there wasn't. So it's, it's interesting to think about in hindsight. And I've said this many times before,

when, when I would see stuff about Disneyland, when I was a kid, I'd say, oh, well, that's interesting. I'll never go there.

I only go to Orlando. We go to Orlando. Why would I ever go to Disneyland in California? It's too far. So, yeah, I, but that being said said this would have scared the shit out of me i was so scared by me i mean i liked star trek the next generation and makeup and weird stuff but it was so i was so scared of all of it this is genuine this has like this has jump scares yeah i mean there's oh sorry when you meet the hawaiian shirt guy he comes out just brandishing a gun yeah at least in past versions of it like where's my i don't remember the name but he

like all right and here's this guy bang bang bang charging at the audience yeah yeah nowadays it comes out with a knife in his chest like a bloody knife oh okay I remember seeing like pamphlets or ads or something where like this show before I had seen it where it was like someone getting their like arm cut like oh your arm's

getting cut open and I just was like so like I just thought it was real because I it's too old to be thinking it was real but I was like

oh they cut somebody open I don't know about that but like and this is one of those things where I feel like like you mentioned with Spider-Man bringing you into Universal,

it's sort of like that moment in the, in like the Rockstar biopic where they're like, what's this strange white powder? Oh, that's interesting. And it's like, oh, the ominous,

like this is how it starts. Yes. Sure, sure. That's what brought me into horror. I still don't like, they still do that butcher knife in the arm trick. And I know it's fake. i know it slides up and it fits and it's dull and everything but that rocking back and forth

with the fake blood i hate it the magic of the movie it is yeah it's movies but it creates me out just like when eddie comes alive for the fly transformation in the previous iteration so much of pro wrestling watching it over the last few decades, has gotten me prepared for starting to watch horror movies in the last six, seven years. Yeah. Just because of the amount of blood sometimes you'll see. Last year there was a match where one wrestler drank another wrestler's blood for real in the ring. And it's really gross, but there was part of me going that's awesome that's cool

so like i'm a freak now on some level like i have it's a full transformation for me from like i'll never see any of this yeah so like oh okay yeah gross gross me out something yeah for you you'd say no to us a lemon squeezed in ice water. You say, a glass of blood, please. A glass of blood, please. Speaking of nasty little freaks, this picture of Lon Chaney with his makeup kit is like a universal go-to in footage. Yeah. It looks pretty devious in it. Anybody, like, again, like, he rocks,

but, like, there's, like, anybody who was, like, that into a thing before it was a big thing is just a little freak. Like, you're just like, oh, you're just this little freak, and it was like you into a thing before it was a big thing is just a little freak. Like, you're just like, Oh, you're just this little freak.

And it was like, you, you pioneered it, but it was like, it's just cause he liked doing it. He didn't, he like, you know,

it was just this, this whole thing. And I, and I, and I love, uh, I love, uh,

I love little freaks. I love, I love being a little freak about my own stuff. And, uh, I support everyone's little freakdom. I love those stories. The anecdotes,

again, they get recycled so much in like making of rides or specials about how many like four hours in the makeup chair to become frankenstein eight hours become the mom like i love that stuff i love a good like when it was like rebecca romaine doing mystique where it was just like yes she hated it it was like 12 it was some insane amount of it it was just it was like 12 it was some insane amount of like it was like it was like all day in the chair and then like we'll shoot for an hour of you going like haka to wolverine and then we're done see you tomorrow and she like doesn't say much in those movies no so it's like it's just a full body makeup job yeah and then i mean she's

prominently shown in the movie but like you're like what am i doing here well but it like it her not speaking in those things like ended up working because it like created like this sort of nice aura a mystique if you will sure um uh that uh made it all the weirder with that when jennifer lawrence was doing it and she has like whole soliloquies wearing the same makeup you're just like you're just talking too much. This is too much person, this is too much emoting for this level of all body blue-itude. Also, not how Mystique looks in the comics. Well, I look, you can't.

No. Very clothed. Yeah. It's a unique outfit. Her legs are shown. Her legs are out, but it's like. She's got like a loincloth, a long loincloth covering. Like a sort of a Greek goddess sort of white wrap. A skull belt buckle. A skull belt buckle, yeah.

They could have done half as much makeup if they just replicated that. Those stories of makeup, like Jim Carrey Grinch, where he had to have some sort of CIA torture specialist. They trained him how to, uh, uh, deal with getting all this stuff put on his face. Like I would need, I've done a little of, I had to do this thing for Conan where they put two and a half hours of makeup on me and it gets, you get weird. You can get really like claustrophobic and it's an interesting thing. It's on you.

It's on your body. Yeah. It's sticky. It's like, it's like merging with you yes and you can't take take it can i take it off for an hour real quick like no you can't like no it's on you that was one of the things going back to american world from london which gets featured in this is um i think what they did for that actor was they started with the full makeup and then they just backtracked it so like every day after that was a little less so they do like we're gonna start with

the worst and then after that we're gonna like you know because it's you know progressing so then they like kind of did a little less so they think they started with the full you know applique and then they just sort of like started cutting it away right like trimming it down so it was like okay if you're having a panic about it like it's going to be a little less each day. The worst part has got to be the, you know, because there's something, like you're saying, Jason, there's something neat

about four hours to become, but then less glamorous how long it takes to get all this shit off. So then, and at least when you're getting the makeup on, you're watching it build, and you're watching craftsmen do their thing, and then you get to come out on the set and everybody's like, wow, look you're watching craftsmen do their thing and then you get to come out on the set and everybody's like, wow, look at you.

You go roar and then you get to act for a little bit. But then if it takes three hours to take it off and your reward is just like, all right, go to bed now. Come back at 5.30 and do it again. I think that's the part that isn't said enough. Because you can't just rip, you could hurt yourself. You just start ripping it out. Yeah, and sometimes you're dealing with mechanisms that have to stay in good shape for the rest of it.

Yeah, really expensive stuff that they've processed, and I think they did something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I wonder if you could nap during that. Jack Nicholson, I think, napped during Joker makeup, according to Michael Keaton. Yeah. He would just fall right asleep. I feel like he was calling the shots, though. I wonder if, like, someone could, like...

The story was that he wouldn't work if there was a Laker game the night before, I think. That's right, yeah. Like, there was stuff built into his contract, so he called the shots of how things would work. That's funny. I know he had, like, the crazy map, but what I flashed through was just the version

where he just has white paint on him. I'm taking a goddamn nap all right 20 minutes in the chair i'm bored to tears some of the uh those big outfits or makeup like you can't even take a like they have to give you a straw for water or um soda or like sometimes it's like i had a smoothie for lunch because I can't take this thing off. Star Trek actors also I think about because, you know, whether it's Warf or it's Quark or it's Neelix from Voyager, you get on. You're like, I got cast on a Star Trek show. This is going to run for years. Also, I have to get there four hours early every day for seven years and have this makeup on me. And if I ever want to come back, I have to get the makeup.

So it's like a weird blessing curse. I'm sure they, I think as they go, they figure out ways to cut down on time. But still, it's so many hours. It's just funny how counterintuitive it is, because you brought up Nicholson's Joker, and how far we've gone from like, all right, I'm going to nap in this makeup, and you're going to work around my Laker schedule,

to anyone doing the Joker now is just like, we had to have a psychiatrist on set, because I went too close to the edge. It's going to ruin your life. I was institutionalized. I didn't speak to my wife for three years. I mailed condoms with rats in them. Oh, God.

And I'm going to mail pig fetuses to people. It is real. Like, have you tried acting dusty? Yes. Exactly. And it's just like you'd think it would make more sense if it's like, listen, he went to the edge. He was in that chair for eight hours. Sure.

But now it's like, there's less makeup, but more madness behind the scenes. Yeah. Now the joker maybe just gets a little smear, but then you turn, you turn your brain into a smear. I think probably like that.

I think maybe it is just because like, once you've spent that many hours in the chair and you're getting like all that stuff put on, you to just get really real and you're like, this is, all right, let's just shoot this. And I'm not going to pretend to be like, I'm actually the man. Who was it in the Robert Pattinson Batman? There's the like, is it the deleted scene or a post credit? Is it Barry Keogh? Is it Barry Keogh? So he might be queuing up.

Did I say his name wrong or did you? I thought I said Keegan- Is it Keeg? I think it's, no Is it Barry Keogh? Is it Barry Keogh? So he might be queuing up. Did I say his name wrong or did you? I thought I said Keegan. Is it Keeg? I think it's Keeg. I'm staying away out of this one. I don't know. I'm sorry. It's Mr. Barry. Mr. Barry K. Mr. Barry K. I think it was Barry K.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's very acclaimed. He's like, his filmography is like really grown so it's like he could very well be queuing up for like an intense Joker performance. Everyone will play the Joker in the next. There will be more Jokers in our lifetime than we even imagine now. Someone in this room will play the Joker. Someone in this room will play Joker in the next five years.

And it's like, it's one of those things. I feel like if it's this point if you were cast as the joker and you do like like if i was gonna play the joker i'd feel a lot of pressure to be like yeah i i don't know i i you know i i you know i you know and just sort of act mad but like you know and because i'm like that's what everyone's expecting they're gonna if i if i say anything less than like i was i was someone called less than someone did a 5150 on me or something like that, if anything less than that,

people are going to be like, oh, it's not as intense of a performance. It's just a silly Nicholson-esque. Right. Well, I think in the wake of Ledger Joker, everyone's felt the need to go a certain road with it. And I have yet to see somebody take

but yeah a few shits about being the joker but he was like he was not acting that way on set i mean i just remember him just like skateboarding on set like it was just like he passed away but from other reasons it's not like war was like yeah that tortured him or something but then people were like i don't know he's yeah skateboarding on set and like he's maybe not as well if you watch that one video you realize he was really all he really had to do was transform into tom waits well yes the tom waits voice comparison that crazy yeah you've seen it i've seen it no i love it and i'm like it's it i'm just like yeah that's what people should just just be like yeah some some weird old dick cavett interview if somebody don't people don't remember and just like do that bit.

I really didn't know. I've certainly familiar with his music, but I didn't know how much Tom Waits licked his lips. I didn't know how much smacking was going on. Very juicy. Maybe in the way that filmmaking is, some people are trying to swing it back to shooting on film and more practical makeup.

Maybe we need the next Joker to be like, I just showed up and I was a silly goose. Yeah. You know, I just drove Batman nuts. Like, yeah, it was fun. I'm not going to shave my mustache, paint over it. Yeah. All right.

Well, I think Jason's auditioning for it right now. Yeah. I'm a scamp. Sometimes we were recording the other day, and I was starting to feel like a silly goose today. I was just being a little silly goose today. Which episode did you feel like a scamp on? For instance, the other day I was feeling like a silly little scamp.

So could I not be the Joker? Am I not Joker-like right now? I was like, yeah, wrapping up. I'm just feeling like Silly Goose. I don't know. I'm just feeling scamp. I don't know. This Joker takes the podcast conversations in chaotic directions.

You never know which way it's going to go. Where's he going with that tangent? And to fight the chaos, let me say, let's talk about some more things in this show. Yeah, hey, look, you get your cleaver in the arm. Yes. The hole for the, it's, you know what? A lot of blood in this for a year-round show that kids are at, and there's moments where they have to say, hey, maybe kids, close your eyes.

They used to do a thing, and this must have gone, you know, due to sensitivity to gun violence, but that, I didn't know that in the early iteration that they would bring out just a head on a table that could talk and they would shoot the head and in front of like a really clean white backdrop just to show you how squibs work. It was a different time, 2007.

Now they make it a goofy thing where the head can still talk. They don't like perfectly reenact William H. Macy in Boogie Nights. It's not quite as chunky as Macy's brain. Yeah, let's expand this out of the horror genre and do make up these squib effects for that sort of thing. Here's how we did the elevator sequence in Drive where a head just explodes. They do also, I think it's one of the early ones. I can't imagine that today they would

be cutting a woman's arm and then say, she's a bleeder. Yeah, probably. That seems to start in the 90s. We watched one of the 91 ones and they brought a woman on stage and they went, take off your clothes. And Shane was just like, Jesus Christ.

And I was like, yeah, they were just figuring it out back then, I guess. It was sort of an early iteration of like the Bill and Ted, like where they're just like, yeah, we're going to get a little, hey, we're going to get a, you know, calm down, mother. Jason, I think you just said your Joker's catchphrase. Naughty. Well, I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable, but the Joker doesn't care about that

because he's a little naughty naughty. Are these jokes quietly discomforting you? Yeah. Does your Joker dress up in a little sailor suit as well? Well, I think he would have a lot of outfits. Okay, good, yeah. Much like Duffy. He's kind of like a twisted Duffy.

The Disney bear. The Duffy the Disney bear. Yeah, I think your Joker should do a lot of like sort of 25 year dated sort of like, we're sort of like, ah, those are kind of pushing the line they're a little iffy sort of theme park jokes oh you're just like oh i'm sitting here i'm a little uncomfortable with this it's a little naughtier than deadpool story time where he tells jokes that elicit probably the reaction from the crowd of like deadpool come on Deadpool, no. That's why you just, you say,

I think you would say, hey, all right lady, take off your clothes, naughty naughty. Naughty naughty? Naughty naughty undercuts it. Yeah, yeah, that's the audience. Softens the blow. We're all invited in on the joke. Yeah, yeah, right.

I'm just, just remember at my core, I'm just a silly goose. Just a silly goose? Another line from the Joker. Just remember, at my core, I'm just a silly goose. Just a silly goose? Another line from the Joker. I'm sorry. Apologies. I didn't mean it. At the end of the day, look at me.

Think silly goose. You're in a net upside down, upside city hall. Batman's like, oh, we got you now, Joker. You're like, I'm just a silly goose. I'm just a little guy. You got to let me go. If we can get James Gunn to listen to this, I think maybe for his, because there's going to be two versions of Batman, in case everybody didn't know. There will be Matt Reeves' Batman and a different James Gunn-produced Batman.

Now he's producing both of them, but maybe Joker for that more gunified Batman. Recently, sometimes you've been telling me stuff that I know is accurate, but I'm like, are you making a joke? Because I'm like, oh, I hadn't heard the James Gunn Batman. The James Gunn DCEU, whatever it's called now. DCEU. DCEU. Well, DCEU was whatever it was before. The old one.

Whatever. The James Gunniverse of DCEU. When he did that video of like, here's what to expect. It was very, if you've seen it, the Mr. Show pre-taped Colin show. It was just a lot of, no, this isn't Batman. We'll have a Batman, but the Batman is gonna be,

that's part of DC worlds. Right. And then that's the Joker, but it's, we'll have a Joker, but it's not Joker. And it's, and there was a whole lot of explaining there was just a lot of like listen this joker doesn't sing only that joker sings that's prestige joker that's prestige joker

and so there was a lot of caveats of like listen we're building something but we are not putting all of our chips on this we still need these money makers to continue. Right, right. So anyway, he'll listen, hopefully. As much explanation as possible.

All right, you know, current ones, how this shows different. You know what's a, I remember this area. I feel like, I don't know if I did jokes like this as a tour guide, but like, there seems to be a topical slot where you refer to somebody as a monster, and then you say a currently famous person.

And I think this is a tougher area these days, because we're not going to do the thing where we bring up somebody who's having trouble, and we call them a monster. So it leads to a pretty inexplicable version of this, and one that I saw from this year, which is like, they make all of the you know all the universals great monsters frankenstein dragula uh taylor swift and travis kelsey and and i think the audience is confused because like they're pretty well regarded right yeah they're uh in the media a lot but they don't feel like annoying and overexposed it's a weird

i don't think anybody knows what to do with right. Right, yeah. It's not like Paris Hilton in 2006. Yeah. I saw one from 2019, and I believe they showed Bride of Frankenstein, and they were like, Lady Gaga, and then Frankenstein, Bradley Cooper.

Bradley Cooper? Because Star is Born. Oh. It was pretty recent. And then, of course, there were some Kardashian jokes, and the more recent, you know. Because they don't want to get into like, you know, or they could just go broad.

They could just be like the monster, that presidential candidate you don't like. Oh, yeah. Whichever one you don't like. The one you're thinking of. You know the one. That's as close as you could say. You certainly can't. You can't use gender specifics.

That gives you clues. That actor or director or producer that we don't hire anymore. Right. You know the one I'm talking about. He was in Absinthe of Deadpool 3, but he's in 1 and 2. It's weird if you call in threats to Amtrak,

you don't get in movies anymore it's the monster the the the person who's on the it ends with us press tour you don't like whichever one you don't like you don't know did he write during the strike i think he wrote it before the strike yeah Oh, oh, oh. Yeah, that is, yeah, because that was such an easy cut and dry thing 15 years ago. Whichever young lady was struggling, go right at her throat, go right at her,

and it would get a big reaction. But that doesn't, yeah, we were a little more like, oh, yeah, maybe not anymore. The show did come back after the park opened in 2020. And obviously, they were wearing face shields and masks and stuff. But I think the thing that is pretty funny is all the heads of the monsters having surgical masks on. Oh, that is good. That's cute.

That's a cute bit. That is cute. Great. Yeah. I was going to say, you said, but it was Florida in 2020, so I don't know that everybody was wearing a mask. I was going to say, if I was performing in that show, I'd be like, well, someone in this room's got a mask on. I think the theme parks had mandates longer than the state of Florida.

Yeah, that makes sense. They were playing a game of chicken, yeah, for sure, where it was just like, yes, we're thinking, yes. They were doing that for a while, and then it was just very clear that it just was like, oh, we're going to lose people. It's just fine. It's fine.

Yeah, just put the, you know, the sanitizer stations everywhere. Yeah, it just looks nice. But yeah, you know, like's it's a it's a actual demonstration of of makeup to show and you get a lot of like uh clip reels that pay tribute to universal's legacy and show actually uh genuinely upsetting and scary stuff which leaves a mark when you're a kid and that spirit that all has kind of remained the same but like the set pieces have changed in and out and it used to be it used to build up to this fly thing. But now it builds up to the sequence where there is a big werewolf that is supposed to be a mocap controlled character.

But after a while, it's revealed that that's a person in a suit once they break free and then they do a big genuine scare of the audience we've talked about this before because they had this same they brought the same thing to the special effects stages which we talked about with carl tarp forever ago uh so uh we're we're back to eddie unless there's a different name i don't recall though though you're controlling the werewolf gag scared the shit out of me when I first saw it in the 2000s. Yeah, yeah. And apparently it scared somebody so badly in 2002, she fell off the stage.

I was just going to mention that. The incident. The incident, yes. And it no longer does something. Okay, so she fell off the stage and broke her leg. And obviously they probably paid her out the ass. But the big change in the show is the audience volunteer gets back to their seat and then Eddie comes to life. Got it.

Okay. Yeah. So something doesn't charge at you while you're on an elevated platform. In the A.S AS space you don't know do some like yeah it did seem to be yeah like it was a it was a definitely like a

Kelsey Grammer type fall where it was like really like it was a it was like oh stop the show oh yes yes yeah this is a problem I looked up this show because I feel like this show practically, it's also a good place to cool down,

25 minutes in the dark in the air conditioning. This is brought up a lot online. It's also a good place to hide out from the rain in either the entrance lobby or the exterior or the show. But I also, a thing I like to look up for these more off the beaten path attractions is what is the old merch being sold on eBay? And I only found two things. I found this kind of ugly postcard

with like a man and a scary. A very like Gary Shandling Showtime era guy. Alice Creed ghost story ghoul. That is a ghost story ghoul. And then this limited edition pin of the marquee, except the marquee says Universal instead of Pantages, which drives me nuts. Do we say that this is,

you go inside a replica of the pantages theater no uh for this show which is a good replica i went online and looked and the pantages i didn't realize it was such a complicated design because it usually has so many banners on it now is it does it still say pantages i know I know in the Foresight video it said Pantages, but is this something that they had to lose at some point? I think in reality it says Pantages. Oh, just for merch, overselling it. Got it. The picture in the app still says Pantages.

Great, okay. Did anyone look at the description in the app too? The current description? The current description? No, I didn't. Okay. Take a close look at what goes into and oozes out of some of hollywood's strangest creatures oozes out of yeah not exactly a good description it sounds like puss yeah it does sound like puss it's we didn't talk about the 15 minutes of puss play

in the show yeah but i'll tell you one thing. You're giving Foresight a run for his money for the descriptor there. You could do some voiceover stuff. Oh, yeah. I think let's do a new Magic in the Movies. Hosted by- And let's get you hosted by Jason Chairman. By the Joker.

By the Joker. By Jason Joker Chairman. Warner Brothers, Universal, they have a relationship with the Harry Potter stuff. That's right. They always say, is Universal going to buy Warner Brothers, Universal, they have a relationship with the Harry Potter stuff. That's right. They always say, is Universal going to buy Warner Brothers or another studio? They always do say that. They always be saying that.

Listen, let's keep mashing these companies together until we're left with two. We're all working for one same one place. We all definitely have jobs for one cool company. It'll be great for everyone's jobs. Amazon Studios coming soon. Yeah. I know the theme park, yeah. Wow, get my picture under the smile.

Nice to see that Florida gets a Pantages is nice. That we don't have to hog the Pantages, a place that we all are at all the time. Nary a weekend that I'm not hanging out at the Pantages Theater. Yeah, a great area just you don't want to be around. A lot of like, yes, I'm in Los Angeles now. Yeah, programs, a lot of their shows

at the former Kodak Theater where the Oscars are. That's where we saw Margaritaville. I would know exactly where to park if you told me to go there right now. I would know exactly where to leave my car. No time wasted and no getting tricked into the 30 unnecessary dollars. I remember this also.

Here's a real universal detail that they had little stands that you could put your camera on and then there'd be a matte painting, a mini matte painting that you could practically use with your camera. And in this case,

because it's just kind of like the bottom part of the Pantay, but they, with the magic of matte paintings, you could put your camera there and then make it look like there's a giant grand marquee and backdrop. They did that on, you could take a picture

of the Back to the Future ride and it looked like there was a space shuttle rocket. Oh right, right. These were, I loved these. They didn't work very well. You would get them back and like, with my bad like disposable film camera, not work at all, but I sure liked learning

about how matte paintings worked. Oh it was a thrill to put your disposable camera on that thing. And it would not cut off all the crap around it, but it was cool. It was fun. Yes. Do you guys have the photos still somewhere?

I think so. I remember having a disposable roll where I took a lot of pictures of the Triceratops encounter at Islands of Adventure. And so if you want to see some very, some dark, dark photos that you could, maybe a forensics expert could make out that there is a fake baby Triceratops. Yeah. I could post, oh, those will be, oh, that'll,

the likes will be flying when we get those on the socials. Something about this show that i really really appreciate and i love that it's still around is that i think you know i love horror and universal has just never really lost track like that's where their bread and butter is that it's just like even through every up and down that they have had as a studio film studio and as a park, um, that they are leaning into that.

And like, and we're going to start to get that again soon with the epic universe, um, where they're finally doing something horror related. So like, this was sort of, this was their horror event even before they did horror nights. And now they did horror nights.

They're going to do this Vegas horror thing. Um, and then the epic universe thing so i just i i'm i'm happy to see them continually reinvest in this and and you're getting a lot of it's a way to like keep an older thing around and keep it newer um which i'm i'm always happy when either parks can do that right and it's not yeah because it's not a big there's not a big hit movie franchise right now for them even though that's what they eventually want back there so it's good that

they're still keeping it alive like this they're starting to do i mean we'll we'll we will see sure but they're starting to do because they're starting to do the universal monsters because they did invisible man with elizabeth moss and then they are about to next year do Wolfman again they're doing that with Christopher Abbott and um the same director is Invisible Man so like they find these sort of interesting ways to make these classic monsters sort of relevant and you know make it feel urgent and not like you know kind of we're doing this again so and um I did a little investigation online so we don't really know a lot yet about this new Wolfman one, but there is a whole practical makeup effects team listed on IMDb. So it does seem like we're doing some practical stuff there.

You know, I know, cause I know that was something that Rick Baker fought a lot on, on the Benicio del Toro Wolfman that was 2010 was he did a big stuff with creature design, but then they decided to opt for digital for the transformation and it really was this half and half and it really was

sort of the beginning and the end of his retirement where he was just like I feel like everyone's moving away from what I want to do but hopefully like you said Jason that we're moving back into that so we'll probably be the guy from the show doing the make the Hawaiian shirt guys probably working on they're working on the Wolfman makeup yeah when there aren't audiences in there

like oh no another audience ruin of we're gonna slow down wolfman work the name of this uh the character the host character is officially named alex ross which is also a big pete comic book painter yeah uh so that's that always confused me okay like i was like wait a minute is this a reference like how did he do the the what was the it was the the batman and superman one that was i'm not a kingdom come kingdom come but it was the it was like one was like the superman peace and then what was like batman war or something like that yeah yeah the big format ones yeah it was like late 90s or something um uh yeah i don't think i think that's not related i could be wrong it's just a generic name and it alex can be a man or a woman gender neutral there are a lot more that profile was

like yeah this show used to be all men and there are a lot more that profile was like yeah this show used to be all men and there are a lot more women doing it in the mix but you can see it's nice because they said like yeah there's a lot of fans of this show they brought us gifts they someone made little rubber duckies of the hosts and the makeup artists and they put them on one of the shelves in the stage and it's it's nice so they're super fans of the there are characters in the show wow i think so yeah but not the actual performers no there are of the performers oh okay really yeah they probably like memorized i like this one i like this alex in particular oh that's true yeah we got him. We're in good hands. We got a good Alex. Go Tuesday before 11. When Jane worked in theme park,

when she worked up at the Frog Choir, she would talk about there were regulars, there were super fans, there were regular photographers who would send pictures. I'm nervous about all of these people you're describing, but. Yeah, there's a line there.

Not that many degrees removed for them brother I enjoy that they exist but if there's a dinner party where we're all there maybe maybe not so much or maybe I don't know I bet it's some crummy dude that would be very interesting look as long as they don't call me

late for dinner that's all I'm saying naughty Joker's here phrases aphorisms from the 1950s getting people on board i like the idea that potentially your joker never does anything illegal you're just kind of a rascal he seems to be appealing to the silent generation uh he seems to be appealing to the silent generation. Silent era film, yeah. He's disturbing the peace.

And we're like, what could we book him for? Give me the creeps. I don't know. He's just annoying. Alfred, there's a really annoying guy out there. I got to stop him. I hate that guy. He says, ain't I a stinker a lot. Bothers me, but I'd be sad if he wasn't around.

I'd like him. Something about him is interesting. Something about him is fascinating. Don't want to kill him. He didn't put a banana at a tailpipe like Beverly Hills Cop, but he left some bananas by the rear wheel. For someone else to do? Yeah, for someone else to do

and a note that just said naughty, naughty. So now he's writing it down. He's a lot like the original Little Rascals. All in one, all rolled into one. Less crimes than hijinks. He drew a crack on my windshield and there was no crack. I was very upset for about 20 seconds.

I was like, yeah. That's pretty expensive. I realized he was a grease pencil and I could just rub it off. There's still a smudge there.

I can't get the smudge off. It's very annoying. Anything else about this show before we wind it down? Hey, I don't know. It's fun. It illuminates the great work of the great universal

makeup artists names are said clips are shown i i have not seen what clip exactly but i'm very curious i went back and was looking for it and didn't see it in the list of movies featured in the show, it does list Mulholland Drive. And I'm very curious what... Oh, the homeless person behind the dumpster, perhaps. That would be my guess. That is one of the scariest moments in film. Yes,

correct. It scared the hell out of me when I rented that DVD from Blockbuster and I turn around if i re-watch that movie yeah no i'm telling you so that is that is actually my number one favorite movie of all time and i saw it in theaters when it was first out oh my god um and i'm gonna be i'm gonna be a little jason sheridan right now and i'll be like so it was two weeks after 9-11 and uh it was yeah and then the national mood

was we don't want to go it's hard to go back to the movies but you know we need we were starting to get back

we had Brittany Murphy don't say a word that movie was out there and then we were slowly getting the horror

yeah I'll never tell you know exactly so that we got we were starting to get people back in the theater so this was like it

was like my first movie after being like I'm freaked out I don't want to go anywhere and I was a I was like my first movie after being like i'm freaked out i don't want to go anywhere um and i was uh i was a i was a uh freshman in film school so i was like it was like like a month after i just like left illinois and went to california and so i was just like out on my own and i was just like oh i'm nervous i'm this midwest kid and i don't like

i'm just the world is frightening and i just went and i was like i'm gonna chill out with it i'd never heard of david lynch before too so i was just like I don't know this movie seems to be getting some good you know reviews and it got a you know it got a good you know had a good showing at Cannes and I'll go see this movie maybe it's about a fun drive through the canyon I'll see a Hollywood movie like a hot rod racing through

Mulholland Drive see a movie about you know you know this kind of crazy people who make the movies and I was not prepared I was in the theater alone, and then the guy steps out from behind the dumpster, and I had the same heart attack the guy in the movie does. Yeah. Like, truly. And I was just like a Lynch guy from that point on.

Like, it was my whole thing. But no, I would say my thing about makeup that I was like while I was researching for this was, you know, this seemed to be coming at, you know, during the big heyday of makeup effects. Because it was, you know, there was always kind of makeup effects. But they were really like getting into this artistry level and they had I think there was so the best makeup Oscar was I created in 1981 for world from London and then but that really started because of an outcry after Eraserhead didn't really get because it was supposed to be there was this it was sort of like the Dark Knight how the Dark Knight led to there being

ten potential movies now for Best Picture there was this, it was sort of like the Dark Knight, how the Dark Knight led to there being 10 potential movies now for Best Picture. This was, Eraserhead was sort of that, of that time where there was such an, like, oh, we need to, like, give this movie something. We need to, like, really acknowledge these makeup effects are kind of going where they need to go. And then from then on, they started the Best Makeup Oscar, which ran pretty, pretty like, oh, my God. You know, it was pretty run by like horror and big things like the Grinch one and that sort of thing. But then now last 10 years, you know, post Benicio Wolfman, there's been like a tapering. It has been a lot of like, oh, they recreated that famous historical person. You know, that sort of thing. So I really do hope makeup effects

kind of do come back into a big vogue, that there's little freaks out there who are experimenting with like new ways to do things and, you know, maybe not even horror, but just like new ways to kind of, you know, make a person look like, you know, something. But I really love makeup for the innovation that it continues to bring to film because i think that's something that's still

um we can't really quite digitally recreate yet yeah yeah right on well yeah burgeoning makeup artists out there uh pursue your dreams and step one get a hawaiian shirt yes no one will take you seriously in that business unless you do uh i guess with that i can say wait a damien the exorcist you survived haunt cast the fright uh happy to do it absolutely yeah great uh and uh congratulations and uh let's exit through the through the crypt shop is there anything you'd like to plug yes i would so for um you know i've been talking a lot about horror i have a uh you know on the last episode i talked talked about, I have my horror book, Your Lonely Nights Are Over, horror romance so uh i they all seem like they're from the same universe for me everybody is uh when i write them both they they seem to be like the characters all feel like this is life and

death and just in the horror it really actually is and uh so in my romances um which a lot of folks have said are just as stressful if not more stressful than my thrillers my suspense ones because we have we have you know sort of characters behaving badly

naughty but in this one Cursed Boys and Broken Hearts it is set at a at a vineyard it is set at a winery where this young man believes that he is

he has been cursed to always lose any boyfriend he gets after a few weeks. And he goes back to his family's bed and breakfast vineyard to help them get the house back up on its feet. It's this old family house that's kind of in disrepair. And when he is there, he has to work with this local gardener who turns out to be an ex of his from long ago. And so they have this, oh, we gotta work together,

but we hate each other energy. So it's a very, very back and forth, back and forth, silver-tongued romance. And I had a lot of fun writing it. I just enjoy when characters can be sort of mean to each other in a very intimate way. I think it's a very queer experience thing. But I think it's just fun to write.

It's very up my wheelhouse. So Cursed Boys and Broken Hearts is available now. But before I go, I have a little surprise for everyone here. Oh, wait. You alluded to it. So, yes. So I am a Los Angelino, but I think we can still – I just recently still, you know, I, I just recently moved to the Palm Springs area. So, and I have brought,

I have come bearing gifts for everyone here from, cause I have moved. I didn't realize this at the time. I have moved next door to Coutinho. So I brought Coutinho merch. You live next to the burgeoning site of this story living by Disney development, Coutinho. I drive past where people will eventually live their Disney story when I'm on my way to Planet Fitness. I just drive past this thing.

Whoa, I guess that could be part of their story, too. Your Planet Fitness. Your Planet Fitness. So I went in there specifically just because i knew i was coming on here and i was like well i can't just not talk about that i just drove in from cotino you can't i can't just leave it alone i live in the promise near the promised land so i did walk in there and so there it's uh you know uh it's uh it is real that i did i wanted to confirm that it was real there's a lot of levels and dirt it's, uh, it is real that I did. I wanted to confirm that it was real. There's a lot of levels in dirt.

It's happening. I believe. Yes. It is like, like we learned at D 23. Now there's, there's no blue sky. There's,

there is, it is shovel ready. Um, and they have, uh, you know, depending on when, uh,

this episode releases, I believe there will be, um, you can take a tour of model homes right now. So I would, I don't know. I'm not telling you all what to do it seems like depending it's they're not going to be uh the haunted they're not going to

make you they're not going to make it a haunt where you tour haunted yeah maybe but we don't know we don't know if they did a poltergeist-esque like clearing of headstones but no bodies to build this land upon oh no yeah there's like a ghost story sort of thing. Hey, if you read Adam's book, read Ghost Story, the novel. My father was right. It is the scariest book ever written, maybe. Very scary. Yes, exactly.

So that's the homework of this. So Cotino, I brought in, so I drove in. They have a community sales site. So I have a community site planned to share with everybody. And it is, and you can see the tracks of homes. You can see the. Cotino Bay.

Cotino Bay. It is all around beautiful Cotino Bay. And I feel like I would, I could get into this if they had like a really retro, like seventies sort of like, you know how like 1971 Disney World was very like, and it was very focused on like paragliding. Yeah.

Like, you know, they're like, yeah, there's a theme park, but really you're here to paraglide and have a mustard aspic dinner at Contemporary Resort. So like, I feel like, yeah.

So there's around Cotino Bay, future development, future town center. but i went to the sales studio there's two people there who could not have been nicer and i feel really bad because i did fib to them because i said i was i was scouting on behalf of my um my boss uh so i could get a little more information they would be a little friendlier to me and i was like for these two hours yeah yeah i'm like well in a way i'm getting some i would like some physical info because they did not want to give me anything physical because they wanted really wanted me to go on the website and i was like well my my boss is a little more tactile and i didn't want to say i was going on a podcast to goof on them but um because they couldn't have been nicer there's just two they were out there

in the middle of the desert and like like a true like they were like, I was like waiting for Godothing because there's no one there. I walked in and they were like, they did that thing. They were like, yes, a customer. Like they just leapt to like their feet. And I was like, oh, I'm, yes, I'm here to, you know, I wore a fake mustache and everything. But. I've been looking for a place to story live.

Do you think you could open it? You know, I moved to the area and I don't know if I feel like I'm living my best story here. My life can kind of come and go. So there is a community site plan, and I have this for everybody here. They have made story living by Disney bookmarks. So this is very apt for me. So because the sleeves say, mark the next chapter in the story of your life so there's all of these different uh bookmarks different uh uh some have little desert flowers cacti on there and then mark

the most expensive chapter of your life yeah this should be said that i did not move into a similar boondoggle in the desert i moved into just a regular it was a it was a new home that might as well have been cotino it's just an eighth of the price it's in the same neighborhood it's sure we're not you're and it's got a community it's we just don't call the pool cotino bay i guess we don't have a man-made lake but uh you know in the desert i like calling just just to dress up where you live calling your pool a bay cool you know i'm going to the bay um yeah quick dip in the desert. I like calling just to dress up where you live, calling your pool a bay. Cool. I'm going to the bay.

Quick dip in the bay. Yeah. So we've got these, we've got a gecko here, a lizard, next chapter, best chapter. I got some others that your next chapter beckons.

Wow. And just an, oh, and this one is for Asteria, which is, I think a new different, it's not Cotino. It's a different. Oh, there's a different.

There's a, it's a different area. I think it's in a wooded area because this is an owl that just says, discover what's next. Whoa. It's hard to keep track of. Cotino is not Asteria. Cotino is not Asteria. It's hard to keep track of all these different places that live stories. But now I will leave these all with you. Oh my God, thank you so much.

Did we say that this is the bunch of houses that Disney owns in the desert? I kind of said it. Yeah, they're in Palm Springs area, but Rancho. It's Rancho Mirage. Yeah. So it's like everything in that area is five minutes away. I mean, after you leave LA, you're so used to just like, I mean, it's closer than Burbank

is to Pasadena yeah right they're all in a big area in cathedral city exactly exactly there's disney's most exciting you know we can focus a little too much on the rides in the parks but the most exciting thing disney is doing is our all these houses they seem to exclusively be advertising it in Los Angeles at Upscale Caruso Shopping Center. Yes. I saw ads at one of the Palisades. Yeah. That's the deal.

Well, let's get Universal in this game. Universal should build some houses in the desert. Yes. The first one to theme them, actually. Because I'm telling you, the theming out there is nice desert place. It's not really themed. But what if they built the psycho house out in the desert? It would be.

Would you move in? It was comfortable inside. Put my house on the market. I would leave. They should pay 30 psycho houses in a row. Well, one street is psycho house. One street is Elliot's house from E.T. Okay, all right.

The Lion Estates, Back to the Future. You get that? Yeah. That's the town square, too, with the clock tower. You live your clock tower life. Right. They should, I think, pay tribute to the aforementioned in this episode, an actor who they reference a lot in a lot of their special effects discussion.

The backbone is built around this guy. Why not call their housing development Vosloo? actor who they reference a lot and a lot of their special effects discussion you know but the backbone is built around this guy why not call their housing development vaslu there's a whole waiting for there's a psycho house waiting for you at vaslu you could just yeah welcome to vaslu that would work 115 degrees? That is something I will confirm, that it is presently 115. Voslu will be built in Death Valley where it's even hotter. It will take advantage of the record-breaking hottest site ever recorded on Earth. Because Disney has Rancho Mirage covered, so Universal's got to go to Death Valley.

And they're the horror company anyway. Shrek's house will be built in Death Valley. Yes. A row of Shrek's house. You do original Psycho House, then you could do Vince Vaughn Psycho House. Remix Psycho House. Sure. Then alternate them.

Very similar. And Vosloo Bay is Shrek's swamp where he farts bubbles. And you know what they call the people who do landscaping and fumigating? The company is called the Scorpion King. Well, listen, I'm too into this now. Now I'm just like, okay, now we're going to get a Cabot Cove out there. We're going to get an Amity out there. They rebuild the backlot where there's room in the deep, deep desert.

Right. And they put a real shark out there. Oh, isn't all the bad? They rebuild the backlot where there's room in the deep, deep desert. Right. Oh, my God. And they put a real shark in there. Listen, we're trying to think of ways to get more real estate square footage for rides at Universal Hollywood. What they do, destroy the backlot. Right, yeah. Move it to the desert.

Yeah, yeah. I live in old Mexico. Recreated. I live next to the flash flood and which is crucial that's how i shower i just stand and wait for the flesh flood every day this all just gets to a place of recreating the sultan see you the sultan see a brand new environmental disaster brought to you by universal pictures this was the one because i i did to make sure i wasn't repeating anything i listened to the story living episode from 2022 um before an episode

i'm telling you i'm like i'm that's what i really your pandemic brains no it was from 2022 and you know the story it was it was an hour uh so it was very i had like listen i had an hour on the road so i listened to it and you did bring up that, where they just, the desert said no. You're saying one of us repeated a story on this podcast? That's how we, our story living, we live our stories by saying them over and over and over again. This is why I get sucked into the trap. The little food trap.

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