Podcast: The Ride - Unlocked: Castle Cake

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

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FOREVER! DOG! 5, 4, 3, 2, 1! Yeah! Welcome to Podcast The Ride, the second gate, where we're celebrating a historic anniversary, a historic event that celebrated a historic anniversary. The anniversary of an anniversary. Of an anniversary. Right.

October 1st, 1971. Mm-hmm. The opening... One day after. Of Walt Disney World. And then October 1st, 1996. Mm-hmm. The unveiling of the Castle Cake.

Yes. Mm-hmm. Perhaps more important than the original opening. Perhaps. Of the park itself. Perhaps more important. Or, if you will, i've been thinking about this do some people call it the cake castle i wasn't sure what to call the episode even i assume you'll be listening to it and there will be a title but maybe we should talk about it now yeah

is it cinderella castle cake is it the cake castle is it the what's the the castle cake i think we um we all very quickly started using the term castle cake all right so we'll stick with that let's so we'll stick with that and i'm gonna go just clunks it up too so yeah okay uh if i google cat by the way my name is mike carlson jason shared an intro that's scott gerdner over there oh yeah if i google castle cake it doesn't come up in the first batch of google search images you do disney castle cake well i'm sure come up in the first batch of Google search images. Do you do Disney castle cake? Well, I'm sure if I did that.

I'm just wondering what the internet wants to call it. If I look up Disney castle cake, oh, it doesn't. Well, hold on. Let me go image search. Well, the trouble is you end up with a lot of wedding cakes. Yes, that is the problem. That are shaped like the castle. And that's not what we're talking about.

Someone did, I forget, it's a Twitter account of someone who works in theme park design, I think had their turn 25 and their birthday cake was wrapped like a cake castle. Nice. And it looked great. You even look up Cinderella castle cake and it's like the 12th image result.

Yeah, this is right on the edge where i feel like when i would read stuff about it online people would say well here was what the chatter was going on about the castle cake in usenet groups like this is right before like i feel like aol was just starting to break big sure i remember around then getting an aol uh floppy disk like pre-cd like like we got a mailing with an aol floppy disk floppy disk um and i gotta say i think i forgot to introduce our names because i'm jacked up for this episode because i love the castle cake uh yeah haters back off scott hater or i forget i have to admit scott hater right and if i could uh you know look you guys have already melted my icy heart a little bit you've already

melted my internal frosting about the castle cake i'm a little more fond of it now but just to just to back it up i just on the way here called called my mom, and she asked what I was doing today. And I said, I'm about to do a podcast about when Cinderella Castle was a cake for a little while. And my mom was like, oh, yeah. Ugh. So, this opinion is out there.

A lot of people have this opinion. That's the majority. I think it's a common opinion, which is, I truly, no troll, hashtag no troll, I don't understand it. I don't, like, I'm not. Yeah, troll. I don't understand it. I don't like, I'm not. Yeah. I love it too.

We went that year. We went that year. I was like, this is awesome. Yeah. I was like, I did the same thing. I texted my dad like,

Hey, we're going to do a, a castle cake episode. The family, we all liked to cast cake. Right. And he's like, yeah,

absolutely. This is weird. It divides, it goes along family lines with us. right and he's like yeah absolutely this is weird it divides it goes along family lines with us i think it's like let me text my mom and my sister and see if they have an opinion and they can respond back yes please do i thought it was awesome wow and maybe i had just been to disney world enough i was like something else new i mean this is around this is like the golden the go-go 90s new stuff coming left and right i mean this is around, this is like the golden, the go-go 90s, new stuff coming left and right. I mean, this is kind of the tail end of it. But when you only go every few years, the new thing from a year and a half ago, you're like, oh, cool, something new.

It's really bold. You got to give it that. And just so, just to be totally clear, what we're talking about is that for the 25th anniversary of Walt Disney World, for a period of 18 months cinderella castle was transformed into a big cake a big pink cake a big pink cake uh yeah painted multiple shades i think i read three different shades of pink and then there's a lot of like uh uh 16 five foot high candy bears 12 five foot high gum drops fourfoot-high Lifesavers. We're reading off the same thing, and I like that whatever we're reading, we're both reading has, it calls them candy bears, not gummy bears.

Candy bears. No. Inflatable icing. That was the thing I learned. It didn't dawn on me at the time that like, oh, that icing is inflatable, which makes practical sense. It's all very impressive. Okay. is inflatable which makes practical sense very impressive okay so so those are that was my

question because i didn't so those are light uh lifesavers on the cake yeah that's the idea yeah that's one of my qualms lifesavers well what are you talking about we should talk about this as a practical cake oh if you were to eat the cake yeah we should address this from a standpoint of like the different things on the cake and if it makes sense or if that's good or not well are we addressing but then we have to break down is that a practical cake that you would take to a party or is like a more elaborate wedding cake or like yeah yeah i mean ace of cakes this has to be transported by a baker of some kind like there's no way that like i'm bringing this over we live in a post ace of cakes all right boss duff world where cakes are insane and largely fondant which is purely deck which tastes like shit i have of the first the the first uh uh family family weigh-in for my

sister i said i sent a picture and i said did you like this uh cinderella castle when they turned it into a cake and my sister just wrote of course wow the family's lineup kicked i thought it kicked ass i'm sorry everyone got mad uh you didn't get to see the castle that's 80 percent gray i'm sorry there's beautiful technicolor magic at the end of Main Street. I wouldn't mind if every couple of years they switched it back to this. I want it back. I want it back for 50th. I want it back bad. Yeah.

I don't think it's going to happen that way. This wasn't the last time. When the Stitch's Great Escape opened, the castle was covered in toilet paper and like spray paint it stitch was here it said it said stitch is king stitch is king that sucks that wasn't i don't think anyone likes that and it was only for a day it was just to announce the arrival of what is now considered disney world's worst attraction stitches escape but for the 50th anniversary of disneyland not even disney world in 2005 they did this they added all this gold trim and like a video screen that would show all the castles around the world that cycles through different all the different castles around the world i gotta say um

fuck out of here with this this this looks like shit. This looks like Trump Tower, gaudy ass gold. Like, I hate this. This looks worse to me than Castle Cake. Sure. Castle Cake has a... Castle Cake's like the best castle. I might be with you. I might be with you on that.

Oh, I'm getting shot down. I wish we had even sides. It's two against one yeah we should have had a guess you could have found someone who doesn't like the castle cake in the world that we know this this is east coast west coast right here this is i mean it might be in terms of the mississippi river i guess or is chicago west of the mississippi or east yeah it's uh i should know it's i don't think it's west um the dividing like disney world disneyland in terms of east and west i mean like i also you know what i have to confess i didn't

see it in person so that might color it that might be i'm an idiot it's east chicago is east of the mississippi river you i think it's safe to say you were a disneyland family and we were disney world families and disneyland might have been on mars like as we've established so you're more you're just like you're going there more often so any change is exciting and this is a pretty sizable change we're and we're not going that often we're going every three or four years so we had just timed the trip to be at the anniversary. So it was just like, holy shit, cake. Look at this. As kids, we were very obsessed with sweets and the looks of crazy cakes and desserts and colors.

As kids. Just remove as kids. Well, that's fair. Currently, I'm obsessed with sweets. That's fair. That's fair. Colors, as we know. So yeah, yeah. It wasn't even like mr colors did i will reveal more of

these details down the line did i eat it too much last night and get a stomach ache yes i did was part of that sweet i wasn't feeling great yes it was a little downtown disney ordeal preview little downtown disney ordeal uh was it all delicious yes it was absolutely no regret no regrets really the end of the day um you know where i think i'm landing is that i'm not vehemently against the castle cake i have found angles to like it and i enjoy your enthusiasm but i think how i feel is a little similar to another ongoing back and forth discussion pop cultural discussion that we were into last night a little bit which is the star wars prequels it has started to become kind of cooler to say i like the prequels it's it's kind

of like an anti-opinion like it was so every it felt like the the people who didn't like it it was so much more deafening at the time. And I know all these people who are like, you know what, actually the prequels are good. And it's been making me go back and check them out and see like, you know, I kind of would like to be one of those guys who is into the prequels.

And then I just watched Attack of the Clones and like, I don't like sand. I hate them. And I'm like, I can't do it. I can't fucking do it. I can't lie about how I feel inside. I don't fucking do it. I can't lie about how I feel inside. I don't like this movie and I don't like this castle cake. Right. Well, I would

say there's a difference. I would think there's no time. Like the prequels is a different. My sister just texted. How could you not like that? Oh, man. God. You don't even have as you said, you don't have you're not vehemently like

fuck fuck off i'm not i think it's just like a taste of it and now well i should answer your sister's question i should attempt to justify and i probably don't have the strongest justification i think i just like i i think i just thought it looked dumb i think i thought it looked like despite clearly not being cheap i think it looked cheap it looked dumb. I think I thought it looked like, despite clearly not being cheap, I think it looked cheap. It looks like a huge miniature golf obstacle to me. I think it looks like fiberglass silly. Yeah.

And I think there's like a stateliness to the castles especially. You know what? If you, if like separately in another Disney park, there was a big castle cake, I'd probably go. Yeah.

But something about it replacing what is a classier or ornate affair. I think just bothered me. I, and, and I was also trying to analyze like, but what is it? There's gotta be some greater reason. And I think it's this,

and I'm curious your thoughts. I think it's the pink. I don't like the pink and i saw a lot of haters of it describing it as pepto pink because i think a lot of cast members started to not like it and they encountered a lot of uh guests who were disappointed they weren't seeing the the regular castle and i think and that pepto pink comment i think that's that conveys a lot to me because pepto is a gross kind of pink i think if it had been a more subtle pink or perhaps even a white because who's eating a big pink cake i

would love to eat a big pink cake that's the problem here well is that i see is is there an anti-pink in general bias is there some sort of sexism going on here because that pink is a very i'm not saying you're being sex i'm saying though people with the with the anti-pink i feel like pink actually might be the most divisive color because it's so tied to maybe identity like feminine there is a trivially trivialization in popular culture of like feminine interests movies aimed at women uh that's where we are look i didn't expect to be here either, but here we are.

And, but, and then I think you get into a semiotic argument of the idea of cake. Like, how do you simply communicate the idea of cake? There's a couple ways to do it. White frosting. Brown frosting for chocolate. Pure white would look like you get dirty

immediately brown would be hated by everyone but pink like looney tunes mickey mouse pink denotes cakes in those cartoons you know there's a uh a poet once wrote uh pink it's my new obsession pink it's not even a question Yes, of course Pink, it's the color of passion Because today it just goes with the fashion Goes with the fashion, yes, of course And then we have to consider that With any semiotic argument

It's a song that's still played in Disney World That's true It's outside of a ride in Disney World Do you know what we're talking about? What song? I can't Aerosmith's Pink It's Aerosmith's Pink Oh, okay

You see A song I was listening to It might be your new obsession A couple days ago As a noted's Pink. It's Aerosmith's Pink. Oh, okay. You see. A song I was listening to just- It might be your new obsession. A couple days ago. As a noted fan of Pink. It's a- Sure.

It's about a dirtier topic, Jason. Hell yeah. Obviously, you know that, but that's- I know what it's about. Yeah, really, the cake should make me horny, because Pink is the color of passion. Right. But I can't say I was horny for it. I don't-

Okay. You know, i think that i think that cleanliness argument is good and the white just might kind of look like nothing yeah um i don't know i think it could be a shade issue i am no opponent of pink in any way i wear a lot of pink clothing this is not the problem i think the shade when i said i have a problem with the shade i think it is a gaudy pink i wasn't accusing you of being an anti-pink person sure i was just saying i wonder in general let me defend anybody because i would get victimized by that i would get made fun of i would get made fun of for in elementary school saying my favorite color was purple because people would say oh purple's a

girl's color so pink for sure was a girl's color so i do wonder i'm wondering if pink has a has a connotation i wonder now because i feel like you know because of uh brett the hitman hart and other famous pink wearers if that's sort of now the history is that pink was gender defined and then brett the hitman hart changed it permanently that was his color i mean that was pink and black very cool looks cool uh Gender warrior, Brett the Hitman Hart. I think you don't even point to a lot of things that he helped to fix. To tie it back to the prequel talk, I think one of the things you can say about both of them is that there is a

clear vision. There is a singular vision of the prequels, whether you like them or not. There is a singular vision of the prequels whether you like them or not there is a singular vision of the castle cake it is presented boldly and confidently bold and silly and visual silly and visual i mean it does look like a cake that if there was a cartoon where mickey is a baker like this might be a cake in the background or one he makes and then Big Pete, you know, plops down on it or something. You might say that the castle that you just showed

with the magic mirror and just the like gold trim, that that's more the equivalent of the new trilogy where it's like slightly dressing up what was there already. That's fair. But the prequels equaling the castle cake it's like well it's crazier and it might lose some of you but you know what stuff you might not like it but it's certainly different uh i gotta say you're right that the it being yeah super bold is

something i can respect about it more now i like i can studiously appreciate today the castle cake and i'm glad we're talking about it but at my core and apparently my mom's core we just don't like it i can also respectively say i understand why people don't like it and i understand why people were upset and i i can see that um uh yeah but from my my thing was i wasn't super heartbroken because i knew the castle would be back and i also like we i loved main street i loved all the vehicles i loved the vibe but we weren't a cinderella's royal table family we didn't i've never been up there i'm trying to talk about how you were working class is that no no just that... No, no. Just that like... We never went. We didn't get invited to the royal table.

No, I just didn't care. We weren't a Crystal Palace family. The reputation of my family was that I like the vibe of Main Street, but Main Street had the worst restaurants. Kind of true to this day, I feel like. You liked that no longer the monarchy reigned for those 18 months. Cake reigned. Well, everyone loves cake.

I mean, that's true. The social confines. Yeah, the cake was a democratization of Disney World, of the Magic Kingdom. You know, no longer did you see this oppressive castle where you were ruled by these, hopefully benevolent people, but probably oppressive leaders. Definitely thoughts I had at 11. Yeah. How does this tie into a leader famously flippantly saying, let them eat cake? Hmm, good question.

Maybe that's not, that's viewed now as like a fuck off or that's what it was intended as. But imagine, you know cinderella saying oh let them eat cake yeah actually hey let them eat it actually sounds nice and one of the only good qualities you could uh ascribe to our our current leader donald trump is his affinity for desserts good point so it is a there's a populism well he also he will eat the cake that marie antoinette historically i believe people were like oh she was referring to cake the soot build up in a fireplace that's what cake that's what like people ever interpret it yeah i i like so there's an interpretation of like let

me cake fuck off mom mom did you see my race? Of course I did, darling. Look, you did your best. You tried. The thing is, it's not about winning. It's about taking part. Next year you might do better. But I did win, Mom. You did?

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This is great, these live updates. Yeah. I didn't ask my dad. He's probably, he'll be upset he wasn't asked, but like, he probably doesn't have an opinion. My mother said, so pretty, pretty exclamation point but maybe not forever that yeah okay fair this is a good so pretty point i'm but still she's that's a pretty big endorsement of the look of it this is pretty limited time magic before that was shoved down all our throats like that's a good question i don't think they did i don't know what you're talking about oh that is that that is a marketing term that they overuse now.

And like, oh, everyone, limited time magic. The Main Street Electrical Parade is back. It's like, oh, is it six months from when it last left? Like, they just keep doing this stuff. Right, right, right. Can I throw this opinion out there? And I'm not even saying it's my opinion exactly, but if I could get in the heads of the...

I was not a person who was upset. Well, I didn't go. I don't think I would have cared. I didn't get to see the castle. But people did feel that way. I read the... There were brides who were livid because they found out they wouldn't have photos

with the fairy tale castle. I get that. Sure, you imagine the specific photo op. That seems to be the verdict that they lost a ton of money because the, the wedding pavilion looks, has a direct view of the castle. Oh, sure.

Sure. Sure. Well, and also, okay. So I have recently encountered this opinion. That is not my opinion. And then it's a surprising opinion to me that people do not like the nightmare before christmas haunted mansion overlay because you're going

on halloween and you want to see the real scary haunted mansion is it possible that this was an opinion for the 25th anniversary you want to see the real castle and not this, uh, not this alternative version. And if now, now that I, there, there, there's one step of it. If I could just do one more people,

another complaint, a sub opinion of nightmare before Christmas is I like it, but it goes too long. Right? I think 18 months was a long time to have a castle cake. I think if that had been up for like just the year or just for seven months, I think the amount of time like Nightmare Before Christmas is some of the complaint. Perhaps. Yeah, I wonder.

I think I would think that could be part of it. I think the majority is probably just didn't like my mom. Okay, my mom. Sorry to get distracted. My mom has added another interesting thing that I think is maybe part of why i like it she said you know maybe not forever but she said unless they did a second one elsewhere in the park which means she would like a like this somewhere else but then she just wrote candyland exclamation point and that is a very good point and it's a very good point because i loved candyland i was obsessed with it and

really looks like something straight out of candyland if there were some physical candyland place that you hang out and like go the who are the scary guys like the molasses guys were there i almost want to hang out there the most well this is funny because uh we were talking i feel like we have an inside joke about one of the Candyland characters with you What? With the fudge monster I think That I am him? I think that maybe you're just friends with him

When there's an inevitable Candyland film I think the goal needs to be To popularize Jason via this podcast To get you a scene stealing part On a show because of this podcast And then that gives you the goal needs to be to popularize Jason via this podcast to get you a scene-stealing part on a show because of this podcast. And then that gives you the one-up to be a voice or a mo-cap guy in the Candyland film. Oh, I would love that. Plumpy?

I think it was Plumpy. He's like a plump. Plumpy Plum? He's not Plum, though. He's like, hold on, let me find out. We're Plumpy. So I i remember now it's because it's between you me and marissa strickland yeah past guest and we would call marissa strickland grandma nut yeah and then i think we called we were talking about you and plumpy yeah it's all

100 possible oh yeah i see it he's a little like green he's a gingerbread plump in the yeah he's he's he's cute he's not the fudge monster no he's a green guy with like he's he looks kind of like a friendly grouch yeah he's got a big medallion around his neck that looks like a plum and he's eating a plum i've seen a lot of different i love this is this is a similar thing to uh when i was watching alice in wonderland and i was like i love alice i'm looking at to when I was watching Alice in Wonderland, and I was like, I love Alice in Wonderland. I'm looking at Candyland, and I'm like, I love Candyland. I love Candyland. I think I'm with you.

I would love to star in the Candyland movie, and then fix the script like Ed Norton would every night on the Incredible Hulk movie. We'd go home, and I'm fixing a piece of trash. Marissa would be an excellent grandma nut. I'm scanning through photos. You'd be a great plumpy, but I'd also like to not deny you the opportunity to be, wait, I lost him, King Candy. I think you'd be a great King Candy as well.

And Gloppy is the monster. Gloppy? Is the fudge monster. I think you'd be a great Jolly. You could be, this could be your, the Jim Carrey Christmas Carol. Oh, that's good.

You play three of the parts. Mike, I think, as a taller fellow who could play a more gangly character, I think you could be a great Lord Licorice or who's Mr. Mint.

Mr. Mint is Super Pink and Peppermint, so you might prefer to play Mr. Mint. Mr. Mint is super pink and peppermint, so you might prefer to play Mr. Mint. And he gets to... What I'm looking at, he's carrying a big peppermint axe, which is pretty rad. That's cool, yeah. I mean, I'd take that too

if you wanted to give in to your evil side and be Lord Licorice. I don't know if that leaves me to be gloppy. I don't feel a strong personal connection to any of the characters. My mom and sister want me to ask my dad now. I hadn't asked him, but I'm now asking my father. Throw it out. Yes.

Dear dad, I know we haven't talked in seven years. Dearest father. While we're waiting on a response um so my oh my sister my sister thing has a theory and this is a relation to the hosts of the show my sister thinks that scott doesn't like treats like the carlson's and sheridan's do this is absolutely correct this is absolutely correct and it goes with my alcohol taste i don't understand what you drink i don't understand these multi-color the five colors in the beverage right uh i i think that that aligns with it i think it's just not i i i liked dessert and i ate dessert but i don't think i was like i don't think i hung on to the yeah affinity and i don't eat a lot of

dessert now and i end up getting desserts for christmas and easter and then they just like pile up and aaron my wife has to come like nerve sheepishly say like can i have your candy please like i don't go through my candy at home enough uh-huh i don't i try not to keep desserts candy in the house but if But if I'm out, I get a little something. And I do like something that feels fantastical, that does feel like it would have been given to me by Plumpy or Gloppy or Mr. Mint. You know? Maybe not Mr. Mint.

I don't like mint as much. I think I also eat much like saltier bullshit. Like where I indulge is alcohol and it's like fries and tortilla chips. And I know My like bad health Is gonna go to that So I cut off Dessert A little more

Right Just to make room For the other Prince I wish that I would've Married Princess Lolly As a child I'd be a different guy

I'd be Freddy Fries Well you would be in What's What's In McDonaldland What's the candy Yeah I guess it's more mcdonald land oh yeah it'd be a fry gun yeah i go uh crazy if i don't have sweets in the house

i'm sorry to say i don't have much of a taste of uh for salt and i feel like my grandfather at some point had to cut salt out of his diet which then um my mother before she you know lived on her own was still living at home she was the youngest and so she kind of like the i don't know if they ever were a big salt family either and my father was never big on so we were not a salt household so i had something recently with sea salt oh that's what it was i'm not a big i like sweet salt a little but i had like these caramel cookies that had sea salt on top and i'm like i fucking hate this like can i take these back this is fucking this is a disaster you wouldn't do uh that sea salt on dessert doesn't square with no i'm i'm

okay with sea salt caramel when it's real like when it's real caramel but when it's like you can tell the fakeness of it it's like ah this sucks i hate this but like i at least need i try not to have cookies chocolate and ice cream in the house but i i feel good when i do it three times when i don't drink a lot anyway i really don't drink a lot um anymore so i don't i mean that's my that's my vice and i try to drink a lot of water to balance out any anything i i have like white claws in the fridge yeah i don't think i have any there's no ice cream here there's no there's no sugar of any kind any bagged candy in the house currently no bagged candy in the house i need something either like small cookies to just

graze on like in between meals or like chocolate almonds how many days have you do you think you've gone without that in the house a couple two i get well but then the problem is is i don't keep in the house then i spend money at like you know um carl's junior milkshakes are really good, but that's like $4 or like I, I, I spend it. I waste money on shorter term options. I feel like,

does that make sense? I, I, I'm not, uh, I, I'm goofing a little round a little bit, but I do,

there's a, there's, there is food and compulsion is absolutely obviously a real thing. I feel like my thing with when i'm feeling compulsive is i want like a big iced tea and then i started drinking a lot more diet soda recently which i need to stop yeah you gotta scream my stomach up um but i feel a comp when i feel like that compulsion oftentimes i will drive to mcdonald's and get a dollar large unsweetened iced tea because i just need to be doing something fine no i know it's totally

fine i'm just saying i'm wrecking the price on that too i switched over from starbucks wasting a lot of starbucks yeah you got it that's really easy thing also i mean you should cold brew at home you should call pictures at home yeah i could do that there's a del taco also a dollar large tea as well yeah that's good or you can get like a 30 ounce or not 30 ounce it's slightly smaller it's a strawberry lemonade but it's not that caloric it's a little smaller though but if you need a little some sweet in there sure sure and sometimes i've gotten both and i put a little inside of the iced tea oh that's smart i don't get sugar from drinks i rarely drink like full fat soda really drink i don't drink sweet stuff a lot because i had to i cut soda

one summer in high school and i immediately dropped weight yeah i like i switched to bottled water uh which i try not to go too hard on nowadays i try to use a refillable bottle um but uh yeah that's the kind of shit that drives me crazy with with with alcohol like a like margarita mix get out of here i want like a squeeze a line like as little fresh line i love yeah i try not to yeah no slush i want no slush no i i yeah even like i'm sure some people will think this is heresy but like i like bottled beer because i've had so many bad draft pulls like well i just if it's like a dive bar a questionable place it's like i know the bottled beer will be reliable oh yeah not tampered

with yeah i'd like to propose that you would also be a great mocap cookie crisp dog oh my god of course the dog or the burglar you don't see the burglar much anymore i would love it my friends i love those commercials. My friends. My friends. Cookie Crisp dog. We kept Cookie Crisp in the house sometimes. To stay a little bit on topic, one thing I will say, and I'll just throw this out there, and I bet I'll get agreement,

but who knows? I think there's no question that a temporary anniversary celebration amending of Disneyney world landmarks this is vastly superior to the uh giant uh hat in front of the chinese theater at disney studios and the big wand next to the epcot ball i don't think you i think you got no proponents of either of those things of course no there's no i mean my dad i like okay dad was like i liked all the anniversary stuff but i think we were in agreement that they those stuck around way too long yes the hat was way too long maybe for a set but i think but also and again put the hat in there but why is it

blocking the thing that you want to see well that's because they lost the they lost rights it is like the icon of the park. It was there like six years ago. You saw the merchandise go from the Grauman's to the Earful Tower. The Earful to the Water Tower. They said to switch what the landmark was. Epcot wand, get out of here. Did that say 2000? Ruins the cleanliness of the orb.

Where was that different? It said 2000 for a little bit. Did it say 2001? did they keep changing they did and then it just became epcot in the ugliest font and which an ugly font in epcot that is my worst nightmare yeah get out of here oh yeah fonts are the main appeal of epcot to this day why didn't brush scriptush it down the toilet. Why didn't they turn them all into sort of suites? Absolutely. They should have all been.

We've talked about this to some extent, but why don't we... Let's go with just Spaceship Earth and Cheney's Theater. How do you suite-ify them? Yeah, that's a good question. I mean, a circular... I mean, now I would say, could you make bit a circular ball of ice like in the carthay manhattan but that would be a little hard to smooth it out nothing yeah uh chocolate orb like molten chocolate orb but i don't think those are really in fashion at the time and if you just painted it just an even color but then doesn't that just look like big pink yeah it just looks

that looks like the mission space like a planet or or something. Yes. I guess you could. I mean, I'm sure there's a way to fill in and smooth it out. I mean, it would take a while, but they changed some of the textures on the castle. If you keep the textures of Spaceship Earth, it tastes like a burnt peanut. You know, those red, sugary things. It's a very acquired taste. And I think it would be lost on a lot of people. Like, why does Spaceship Earth look bad? It's like a burnt peanut? It's like a burnt peanut?

It's like a burnt peanut. That might not be the most fun. Yeah, I don't know what you're talking about either. It's those red, like, spiky, like, bulk candy. They're peanuts that are covered in, like, just like a sugary shell. You could just do, like, a tuft of whipped cream on top and a cherry and it just is the epcot ball but somebody put whipped cream oh like a scuba ice cream oh that's what it is there you go you add a second scoop and then like add a little like plasticky like the little like runoff

or it's an upside down it's like a um it's like a cookie puss It's an upside You put a cone on top It's a clown cone Yes It's a clown cone Great Yeah Is that wrong about What cookie puss is Yeah that's the Carvel cake With

It's a Blaskin Robbins Has the clown cone Which again Is another thing I was obsessed with As a child And still

Mildly might be To this day Also always You've brought those To events And everyone's like Oh Yeah everyone loves them

It loves It's a crowd pleaser yes uh chinese theater what do you do uh yeah i mean i think it's probably similar to what they did with cake castle yeah it's a building so it's like we're turning it into like a gingerbread house kind of thing yes sure do you keep it chinese and it's a bunch of it's made out of fortune cookies seems to i don't think it would to i don't think it would like anything uh yeah i think it has for now a fortune cookie giveaway in front of the chinese sure would have been a good idea well that is a good question my mom my mom is uh it's throwing many ideas out now

that we've opened this up she said if they made a candy land with this castle they could sell smaller edible replicas which i think is is good. Did they have anything? Because now it would make a lot of sense that they would be selling cake that looked like the castle. That is so easy Instagram bait. Right. But I don't think they were doing it back then. I don't think so. I mean, they had merchandise.

Yeah. It feels like a structurally very difficult cake. Like we were talking about it being a practical dessert and you saying a team would need to move it. I mean, not the full, but they would be selling little pieces. It's an easy cookie. Or a cupcake, too, honestly,

because you could do it like one of the different spire type things. But if you flatten it to two dimensions, that's an easy shape of cookie and draw on it. But even like you could present it like, oh, we cut pieces out and it's like this is just a little piece of the castle. It doesn't have to necessarily replicate the look of it. Let me bring up a weakness to it as well.

I didn't realize how, this is from a TPM vids on YouTube, had a rare shot of the back of the castle. This is shit. They didn't paint all of it. It was like a facade, so some of it stayed gray yeah this is a big old weakness i gotta say um i can't really hold that against it because it's mainly about that front view but truly they should be ashamed of how bad it looked from the back i think it was also very bizarre to watch this thing get built because as jason was saying this is pre

internet and it was the castle was just being painted pink, and nobody knew why. Now you'd know two years in advance they were going to do this. But truly, they didn't want to say what it was going to be, and they'd even tell guests, like, maybe Barbie is moving it. They'd make up some dumb story. So I think it was very awkward for a while when the castle was partially pink, but, like, halfway. Again, that's what they had to do to prep the thing. Sure. So I think it was very awkward for a while when the castle is partially pink, but like halfway, um, again,

that's what you gotta, that's what they had to do to prep. Sure. But that some of people's bad memories might be like watching it rise and going, what is this? This looks weird. But if you just saw the completed vision, much more appealing.

Yeah. I, that makes sense. I wonder, I wonder how long I'm seeing a picture of it just sort of pink here and i think that might be unless it's photoshopped no it looks i mean looks strange um let me also throw out i didn't realize that there was a precedent uh for the castle cake that for the one year anniversary of then euro disney they did sort of a sweetified version of the castle um which is a little bit i do i don't

think this is better than the castle cake we'll post a picture of this but i think it's a little more stately in the colors i think this is getting away from the pepto pink hey you know what the europe castle always pink and i think a good shade of pink right i think i don't like that shade of pink i also like that uh it's a bunch of big giant strawberries at the base this looks like a good cake that yeah that looks i like that it looks like the frosting is still inflatable um it's a little more minimal yeah it's more minimal i do like that um did you guys see at the when you walked into this into the magic kingdom there were 25 out of like candles in front of the train station they just look like big candles yeah those aren't really anything that

didn't really yeah why do that yeah yeah not not a fan of that um so i think maybe this i i truly think if you i think i have an aesthetic problem i think you tone down that pink and i'm more on board with it and i do like in the europe one the the the smaller whipped cream it was like a little less silly of tufts but maybe i'm wrong maybe that wouldn't be maybe you want it to be big and bold and silly yeah and it is a i mean it's certainly gaudy but it's a gaudy in the way that i like that's the thing right so i guess it is just a design i mean i get that it's so different like the castle itself is not the cinderella's castle is very grand and prestige i don't know what the other word i'm looking for is prestigious it's got the

size it's got the awe i think it's so it's so changed the character of what that castle was like, which makes it, it really sticks out like a sore thumb at the end of main street, which were the vibe as it, I think what's good about the Europe one, which I don't think is bad. I'm not saying this feels like a snooty opinion to say that, Oh,

the European one was better, but it does. It's like more in the character of how the castle always is. Yeah, I guess it does. If you look at the character of how the castle always is yeah i guess it does if you look at the i'm looking in the picture yeah it does look like it's like uh i guess it contains it gets the character a little bit more of the castle as opposed to the cinderella one that does really completely look like almost a new structure and you can see obviously it's the same but it looks they've changed so much of it it looks like a totally different thing i should just try to i should just pull this into photoshop and desaturate the color and see how i feel maybe i can post my idea like here's what i did i just

like side of things are in 10 and this is how i this is important revisionist work for very important yeah what's the euro castle the beta test for magic kingdom like did they know they wanted did they know they wanted to do it potentially um yeah i mean for euro disney didn't matter if people hated it is one year old everyone hated it anyway everything yeah about it yes absolutely um i guess uh it's we're in a little long time the we should we need to talk about the fact that on this day the like we're we're one day behind uh october 1st 1996 this was the uh 25th anniversary and there was a huge event that part of which was the unveiling of the castle cake and as part of this a big celebration big children's choir saying michael e spoke, of course. Of course. But mainly an address.

The castle cake. There was a speech given in front of the castle cake by Hillary Rodham Clinton. Wow. She addressed the nation. Yes. Before the castle cake. Mm-hmm. I did some cross-checking to see like what was bill doing then and i was really hoping that like

literally one of the like clinton lewinsky affair dates happened like on the day of the speed but not true i it was actually in the biggest that was the biggest window of them not really i see seeing each other uh literally hillary is speaking in front of the castle cake And Bill is At the White House with Netanyahu And Arafat Holy shit Yeah pretty crazy Do you think if Bill had seen this he would have asked them to do the same thing to the White House Turn the White House into a cake

I can't eat it anymore But I'd love to look at it Michelle Obama wouldn't have put up with that shit No that's true but Trump would have put it back back in bigger gaudier cake again my trump hatred goes down by a significant degree if every year he for some thing there was a he turned the white house into a cake yeah yeah i was almost gonna call it a castle okay mar-a-lago white house into a castle mar-a-lago cake as well i think it's not defined and i don't know i don't have a vision of what mar-a-lago white house into a castle mar-a-lago cake as well i think it's not defined and i don't know i don't have a vision of what mar-a-lago looks like yeah i know they have very good cake

we're certainly aware of that i imagine they do yeah oh but a white a dessert white house yeah hell dessert please some very talented person that's listening to this is going to draw that i assume oh yes absolutely uh i also just to put things in the timeline, October 1st, she's in front of the castle cake. Clinton's meeting with Netanyahu and Arafat. The end of that week, that very same week, October 7th, Clinton beats Dole in the first presidential debate of that season. And that day, I couldn't believe this,

that same day, the launch of the Fox News channel. Wow. This really puts things in imagine and cut to what they're doing about hillary who knew that they wouldn't entirely be about hillary 24 7 still in 2019 little did you know you were setting me up for all of my shit about this day so if you see did you get this picture did you see this picture not specifically um so this is a picture it's for sale like it's a news archive print it's got stuff on the back like kodak logos it's it's got the like excuse me the uh poll ears to you it says so in this picture from the event uh mickey mouse roy e disney son of roy o disney um michael eisner

hillary clinton um and then florida governor lawton chiles walking lawton chiles okay they called him so this was my i texted i asked you guys the other day did you did anyone come across lawton chiles because i'm like oh who is this school you know he's gotta be a goal uh he actually pretty pretty kind of like he was he was democratic governor of florida um and i'm sure he's which doesn't mean anything seemed to mostly um started a lot of head start like children's health programs and stuff was a reformer when it came to health care and education uh i am not smart enough to look at this stuff and see if that means actual reform or like privatization ghoul reform got the name walkin lawton chiles when he

ran for united states senate and walked uh 1003 miles from pensacola to key west he earned that nickname uh and it sort of earned like that gave him the image of like a folksy southern man forest gump a very very gump um so very unfortunately walken lawton chiles uh the reverberations he died um not long after this right not long after this um walk-in lawton chiles is i think we can safely say a man who helped the start of breaking because he appointed multiple judges who ruled in the bush v gore decision he appointed multiple florida supreme court judges uh man ruling in the majority instead periente lewis and judge uh quince who was jointly appointed appointed with george bush there was an agreement they came they had to do a press conference because there was an opening and it would have looked bad as lawton was leaving office if he appointed this judge last minute now

who gives a shit like now we don't have that sort of uh what happened now matters now uh so he and bush like jointly agreed to appoint this judge so do you mean jeb bush because jeb was jeb bush yes became the did jeb take over jeb took over this guy lawton beat him once for governor but then as uh lawton was leaving jeb was coming in dissenting judges wells and harding were appointed by lawton and then judge shaw was appointed by uh bob graham i'm trying to picture all of these uh justices as cake candles either lit or not yes that's a chart i need to see in my head to tell who's on what side so even though uh he was a democrat he's four judges or three judges he appointed one judge he co-appointed ruled in favor of bush and so that kind of started the downhill

trend of that like he they they judges uh also ruled on like the terry uh was it skivo shivo right case so much was happening in florida they did strike down um there was like a bunch of nuts who were trying to get like pro-life license plate that's a common this happened in multiple states people get enough signatures to like well you'll be able to get a pro-life license plate usually struck down as an inappropriate place for politicking. Okay, okay. So of the people standing in front of the castle cake. Standing in front of the castle cake. One of them installed a bunch of the people

who made Bush win through weird, not incorrect to me, the first popular electoral vote snafu. The second person, obviously obviously obviously the primary person uh the the the biggest victim of the person of the uh the electoral popular vote uh michael eisner getting screwed out of office by al lutz and his string pullers i mean i'm more torn up about that one than hillary for sure roy e disney too uh i was trying to figure out like wait so what is the disney family tree looks like

roy disney is the father of abigail disney the rabble rouser who's who oh yeah who's like against their labor practices now yeah and who like it says her father was a piece of shit like that her father was not the nicest man I believe that this made me think for all you succession heads out there is Abigail the Shiv comment on this video and let us know if you think Abigail's the Shiv

or is she the Kendall you got real sassy all of a sudden she's in the running to take over but well within the Roy side of the family I mean there's so much's in the running to take over no she's not but well within the roy side of the family i mean there's so much money in the family down there below is emigiel the uh he's the guy who made the caveman movie is he the uh uh romula is he the roman uh i mean where does a mini mouse fall into all this? Yeah, where does a mini mouse fall in? Is she Rhea? Is she the devious Rhea?

So, this photo in front of the unveiling of the castle cake, these are truly the horsemen of the apocalypse. Literally two gigantic figures in the two biggest electoral disasters in American history. Yeah, this is an unknowingly ominous photo that you can own a real high quality print of for eight dollars and i'll try to find that where can you get that this is for sale this photo print is is for sale i feel like there's only one of them

we should get it right yeah can we get a bigger how big can we get it no it's a physical item like oh it's not a item it was a news archive photo so we'll have to take that and then take it somewhere else to blow it up yeah because i like a real big i'd like a 72 inch tv size of it do you think um that hillary said all right so i'm heading down to florida do you think bill was like, oh, you should take my friend Jeffrey's plane? He's heading down there. He's making a quick start doing a couple pickups. I think.

Hey, you know. Drop you off. He probably. In 20 years, make sure to campaign down there a bunch. Down there and like up north a little. Don't forget. Don't forget. I'm telling you this now.

I was going to say both of those things happened yeah yeah yeah yeah should also be noted that she failed in her disney world visit to reach out to the uh to the rust belt of mickey's toontown fair mickey's birthday birthday land scott no not then no no no was it toontown fair then no 1996 i don't it was at least by then it had been starland for a little while so what you're saying you're right i'm mixing up my time grandma's petting zoo had already been gentrified had already been bulldozed and gentrified wait i'm curious about that when it was toontown fair that's not worth uh waiting on no i don't know maybe so the castle cake we haven't reviewed the cake itself yet. We haven't?

No, we haven't talked about actually the ingredients and if that would be good on an actual cake. That's what I want to do. Well, I think it's like these crazy milkshakes. Like you get a black tab. It became Mickey's Toontown Fair on that very same day. Really? Wow. Geez.

Big day. That was convenient, though. I barely squeaked in there. But no way was it birthday land get out of here get out of your mind uh i will say i wanted to say like so so lifesavers shouldn't be on the cake oh you're saying if we're gonna eat the cake i'm saying yes that's what i think the final thing should be unless you have more stuff is we should assess the cake it's like crazy you would have to deconstruct it before you start digging into it. I feel like a lot of this.

Right. I'm just saying it should have been something else. It should have been like, those should have been Fruit Loops or something. Because that really would go well with the cake. That would be good. Yeah. Because Lifesavers, honestly, I don't love them. I never buy them.

I would have one if someone offered, but I don't. It's just not the same. You couldn't take a bite and then chomp. You have to remove those yes fruit loops perfect in my mind very good if you take those and make those fruit loops or make them you know generic is the pink icing strawberry flavored or is it just colored is it buttercream that's colored i think honestly a strawberry icing might be a little overwhelming so i think it's just food coloring in my mind it's just food coloring is the inflatable white icing that's got to be like a buttercream right yeah i think that's right but i like a buttercream yeah and then the blue is probably the same flavor but it would be

cool if it's a little bit you know tinged with a blueberry or something but probably the same buttercream that would be the thing uh so there's red and white are those like peppermint sticks or they is that's what it looks like yeah i also weird i agree i agree with that i i think that even though you're right crazy shakes do put stuff in there i still think that's like if you got a piece with the peppermint sticks it's like now i gotta eat a peppermint stick with this but that's the most manageable you had one of the crazy shakes i don't know and it had like save it but it had a wrapper it had candy which i did not like i did not like there was a wrapped piece of candy in there i thought that there that was a little too much like when you get a straw and just a little bit

of the papers on top i'm okay with that but you gotta rip a lot i don't like a hard anything involved in the cake because cake is all soft i don't want to actually have to be dealing with something that i'm gonna have to suck i mean i there's no other way to say it i know you guys couldn't you could have kept talking so it didn't sound like i'm a pervert or something blew me back i had nothing to say after that like that's where you go but you have to suck on a thing like that during a cake it's not it's different it's two different types of eating there's something in the air recently with this podcast it's been a little profane it's been a little body i could have said oh i don't want to lick something that would have been just as bad lusty month of october yeah i guess but that's what you're gonna have to do with a candy cane. You suck on a candy cane. But aren't, there's a lot of acts that are like multiple.

It is about balancing several types of mouth movements. Is there a thing I could have said about what you do to a candy cane that wouldn't have sounded sexual? Gnaw. Gnaw on a candy cane. You're a thousand percent right. That is in no way a sexual word a like you have you have to be demented to use gnaw in a sexual setting on your ear darling

like i feel like it's like no you have to no is guaranteed to involve the sound when are you gonna nom me out when this business when this business trip is over i assure you this business trip is over i love this tension between partners on a business trip no i think he's talking to his wife the biggest gnaw out i think that's when i come home when i get home oh i thought it was like i thought it was like sexual tension between like two people like doing presentations across the country and then like by the time that by the end of the trip the sexual tension yeah just builds to a an apex and then they get and then just major

i mean big time nine it's complicated with co-workers but if everyone's single and ready to mingle you know it's those hotel travel hotel life can get lonely sexual harassment seminars i have to say like just because, like, talking to an employee at work, a fellow employee at work, does not mean that you, that they are interested in being gnawed. I need one more num num num. That was the craziest. Like a dog.

That delights me. Like, I got, I started on walking through my neighborhood the other day and like a scottish terrier had gotten out like and was just like by my feet going like like trying i'm like okay man like i can tell that it's like a dog whose bark is worth said it's bite and he even ran out it's like sorry, he's being a real turd today. And just kept saying, like, it was being a pain in the ass to get back inside. It's like, why are you being such a turd? But the sound he was

making was, no, no, no, no, no. He wasn't gnawing at anything, though. No, but I was wearing flip-flops and I'm like, I see you on the please don't, come on, man. Like, I was just, I wasn't scared, I was just annoyed. Edwin, gnaw on Jason's feet.

If Edwin made that perfect exact sound. I'd be so impressed. He yawns. The noises he makes are barks and yawns. I mean, security did politely have to ask 11-year-old me. It's like, sir, please, the cake, it's still the castle. Please stop going for the going for you're gonna crack a tooth trying to do that on a lifesaver a five foot tall life fiberglass life jumping up on the you climbed it you scaled the tower it is surprising to me that disney does not sell like

the traditional princess cake more that that's not pushed as like yeah a dessert at the i love a princess yeah yeah raspberry filling green ice i don't think you'd have green or pink i don't think purple they make it i don't think you'd have the confidence to say that if it were not for brett the hitman heart like well that's true he led the way he led the way he led the way he's a pioneer uh i think well i think there we're finding there is some oddity with the cake it's also a bunch of lollipops on top also weird yeah i don't like that as much decoration but you certainly couldn't the the candles on top i think would be if it was a real cake they're not they're edible candles

there's real candles at the base of it yeah that there should be candles on the spires there should be candles i am i'm okay though if those are fun like frosting candles that's fun to me the candles on the bottom should be carelessly strewn about like someone had just picked them out because it was ready to slice so you think they'd just be lying on the ground burned out looked like shit yeah they're burned out they're kind of laying on the side they still have a little icing on it on the bottom my plus up is we were talking about how it was maybe just didn't kind of fit and people wanted um like people thought that oh it's such a contrast from the main street and everything my my plus up is make main street all castle cake as well.

Wonderful. That would help. Mini cakes. So the whole thing, the whole stretch of it, it looks just like this. And if that were, if you for the anniversary invited the gang from Candyland. Almost. Nom, nom, nom. Nom, nom, nom.

What's the one? It's a delivery probably. 2020 is 60? Yeah. usually we can ignore Edwin but this one's a pretty he's going nuts

I think it's because there's Edwin yeah someone's delivering something I want some castle cake merch at least

yeah I want some castle cake merch for the anniversary at least and a dessert a dessert that at least resembles

a piece of it should we try to make it oh that's interesting yeah seems like a disaster it might be a And a dessert. A dessert that at least resembles a piece of it. Should we try to make it? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Seems like a disaster. It might be a disaster.

I think I could do a cupcake of one of the spires pretty easily. I may want to store buy the cupcake and then add to it. Yeah. We were buy a pin trading thing, and I feel like there was multiple power line pins. Yeah. Give me some castle cake pins. Yeah. so yeah are you getting emotional no i'm getting gassy which means yes that's my when i get that's my emotion yeah that's how i show feelings I'm upset Pretty perfect episode for us We hate left and right politics talk Some

It got a little weird and sexual And mainly it was A ton of dessert A lot of dessert It was an excellent recipe for a castle cake And when my dad finally responds We'll post it on the twitter The beginning of the end of the 20th century an excellent recipe for a castle cake of an episode and when my dad finally responds we'll post it on the twitter the beginning of the end of the 20th century

and maybe the beginning of the end of the modern world kick off i was also thinking that's hillary speaking mere steps away from where she was nearly installed as a robot forever it's a good point instead what could have been what could have been um well uh what a time that really yeah all of history flushed down the toilet along with the castle cake and uh uh we're i uh if you have a piece of it send it to me oh you're right where did it all go where yeah somebody's got to have the lifesaver like so a piece of it send it to me oh you're right where did it all go yeah somebody's got to have the lifesaver like so a piece of the life connection must have gotten this must have gotten chunks of this oh man that is incredible members richard craft have any of this somewhere in his house

that's what you'd have to throw down i've had an auction for yeah i got one cake topper lollipop and you hug it you sleep with it what would you cradle it into bed every night what would you want if you could pick a piece off of it that's a good point what would you want jason um i don't know i mean probably a big pink chunk where like a lot of the pink is just the castle itself so i don't think that's able to be. If the inflatable icing, if I could somehow repurpose that into, what do you do with that? A tarp or patio furniture covering? I think it needs to be like the frosting candle. I think it would have to be something like that.

One of the sprinkles from the 25, like if I would just have that propped up in a corner. Yeah, that's good. Yes, and that's doable. You could keep that in a home and it's not. Or there's a there's an icing flower yeah i see that that's i'm thinking about that i'm remembering now my sister had all these food um like toys you know you have like a fridge and the fake food sure she had a cake toy that was it was plastic it was just a piece of like circular plastic and then you would put the different types of frosting and decorate it and we were obsessed with it like there was different

like different pieces of plastic frosting that you would put together and you would make different cakes and it was probably a fisher price yeah we had the fisher price like kitchen the little in the corner of the playroom and like that all plays into it all of this this cake fantasy yeah and at one point in time it was real yeah before the downfall things were good on october 1st 1996 maybe that's the last time they were you know joe biden is just trying to get us back to the time of the cake castle. That's what he's doing. No. We're going to have to register with the FCC if you keep that up. Common sense.

Me and Corn Pop sliding down the candles. Corn Pop and the castle cake. Mm-hmm. I was there. I was handing out slices. You remember. You shouldn't have been goofing around with candles, but I shouldn't have called you the cake boss, okay?

I apologize. I apologize to you, Corn Pop. turn you elect me and then you turn on your phonograph player and you're uh you'll hear me saying that uh we're bringing cat the castle cakes back everywhere walking up to the castle thank you so much for admiring me so elect me god bless them all teeth fall to the ground and shatter. Remember the magic. Remember the magic. Time to remember the magic. Time to remember the magic.

I have material about that, but we don't have time. Separately, remember the magic. I'll press pause on that. Survive Podcast, The Ride, The Second Gate. Hey, keep following this Patreon for three bonus episodes every month. We got merch available at TeePublic, and I feel like we got to think about something Castle Cake related. I'll get brainstorming there. Sure.

Hey, get some of those designs on pink shirts. I bet they look nice. That is a good, yeah, maybe we'd narrow it for the only make pink available. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Pepto-iest pink you can find. Sure. And for more podcasts, follow us on Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook. Forever Dog.

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