Podcast: The Ride - Unlocked: Dick Tracy Zooms In with Eva Anderson

Episode Date: August 25, 2023

Enjoy this sample of P:TR - The Second Gate. Find even more Second Gate episodes at Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide Eva Anderson (WeCrashed) returns to the show so we can talk about "Dick Tracy Special: Tracy Zooms In", Warren Beatty's latest effort to hold on to the rights to Dick Tracy. Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FOREVER! DOG! 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Welcome to an emergency second gate podcast, the ride special Eva zooms in. This is a an episode that has barely come together and we have been we've been called into duty, much like Detective Tracy himself, himself in order to discuss a tcm special that aired on the evening of friday february 10th on called dick tracy special tracy zooms in uh joined of course by mike carlson hello hello i'm here uh i was in bed when i got the call that we had to do this that's how you know it's like we were we were like on shift at a hospital usually for

podcast the ride and if something comes across our desk uh like like we have like a bat phone of some kind that rings and we are uh you know shaken out of our sleep yeah we're recording this at 3 30 a.m right there was no other way to do it no No other free time. Jason Sheridan has answered the call. Yeah, it is a pleasure to be here. Well, pleasure might be too strong a word. I don't know. That isn't really what I feel. That is just a phrase Ben Mankiewicz says in this.

Yeah. From this immediately iconic special. Now, what's this? Mike has just slipped me a slip of paper that says Anderson on Zoom. Huh. Interesting. Wow. Okay.

Well, I guess we'll have to bring her in. Please welcome our resident Dick Tracy expert. Thank God we got one. Eva Anderson. Hi. Hey, guys. Hi. That weird thing before the intro where you watched,

you listened to the previous podcast and just sort of said it was bad. Was that necessary? Do you feel like the audience didn't know that we recorded an episode about Dick Tracy's Crime Stoppers and you needed to like

let them know, A, that we did it and B, like you didn't care for it. Well, it's been a long time and I think we've all gathered a lot of thoughts about that prior episode. And I think we all wish that we'd been more clear, let's say, about our points of view in said episode and remember we own the rights to talking about dick tracy's crime stoppers and we need to refresh that those rights every few years so that's what we were doing really primarily yeah you know i feel like i mean that's why we kind of that the calendar alert came up and we all had to jump on zoom real quick to make sure that we are allowed to keep talking about Dick Tracy for the next 15 years.

Right. Yeah. Because we have the right to two days. OK, I'm going to really quickly run through the basics and I want to do it fast so that we can just dive into pure raw analysis of the special Dick Tracy, special Tracy zooms in. But feel free to interrupt my list of facts here. But I just want to onboard people as quickly as we can, though many people might be fully aware of everything that's happening. Okay, here we go. Dick Tracy is a comic strip about a hardline detective that began in 1931 in 1990 actor warren baity directed and starred in a dick tracy feature film for the walt disney company but more importantly than him making the movie in 1990

the story really begins in 1985 when he obtained the film rights from tribune media and he was allowed to keep those rights in perpetuity, provided that he could prove that he was working on future projects in film or television that necessitated him to have the Dick Tracy rights. In the early 2000s, since it's been a while since the 1990 movie, Tribune Media gets curious like, hey, those rights that we gave you, are you going to be doing anything with those? And he's like, you're damn right I am.

I got a lot cooking. Hey, don't step on the process. I'm taking my time. Then they really ramp up the heat in 2006. What's going on? When are you going to do? Actually, we're going to write you a letter. I didn't know all these specifics.

This is true? This is all're going to write you a letter. We're giving you. I didn't know all these specifics. This is true. Mr. Beatty. This is all true. In 2000. Okay, let me see. I have the specific dates. In November. Okay.

November 17th, 2006. Tribune sent Beatty a letter that gave him two years to begin production on some kind of Dick Tracy programming. So on November 8th, 2008, with just like, what's that, nine days to go? He, Warren Beatty said, hey, guess what, Tribune? I'm working on a TV special. He gave them

written notice, although it seems unclear whether they actually got the written notice. But what this did, it was just under the deadline, he started making a special that allowed him to retain the rights. It was our special that aired just once on TCM, which I believe is just called Dick Tracy special. Now, we discussed this on our Dick Tracy Crime Stoppers episode a while back. Specifically, I forgot the part because i just listened to it this

morning that it was uh the cinematographer was the guy who did uh who won three back-to-back oscars one of the greatest livings who mike worked with who mike was on a hang glider with amazing one of the greatest cinematographers who's ever lit like one of the most long endless shots so innovative uh and he was brought in to do this special that is mostly an interview with leonard malton and the character dick tracy who in this special introduces the premise that dick tracy is different than warren beatty he is a a hundred year old man or more who is alive still who looks and sounds exactly like Warren Beatty but is not him and

it's this you know special it's mostly an interview but then there's a bunch of weird improv on an empty Disney lot poorly shot despite it being one of the best cinematographers ever there's a bunch of groundlings who all have stories that don't resolve or like and in fact the groundlings do not return in this new special that we're going to talk about.

They didn't feel the need to resolve. What's Mindy Sterling been up to for the last 13 years? This takes us to this very week. This special was only remembered by, uh, weirdos, uh, who suffer from brain rot. And this is, this special is one of the things rotting all of our brains.

And we never expected there to be more of it, but certainly there was the question, when will Warren Beatty do more with Dick Tracy? A movie perhaps? No. In this case, there is suddenly a weird cryptic announcement on TCM's website schedule that says Dick Tracy special Tracy zooms in. And even still, it's not officially announced what the hell this is.

And it takes Twitter sleuthing to get to the business of what is this uh i think it was like i saw it popularized by will sloan who's a writer and podcaster for the podcast michael and and us which i like a lot um anyway so he starts asking questions this yeah like someone's maybe a follower of will sloan and then will sloan asked the question basically like there was no tcm was not going to talk about this i don't think at all and everything we're describing like this this has all happened really fast uh the special aired friday night i thursday at lunch with friend of the show andrew grissom was the first that i'd heard about it and again tcm no official it was just somebody looking at their website schedule.

Then a listener to this show, Chris Hainer, who is also the, the entertainment editor at GameSpot decided to go fishing and see if, if TCM, if I asked TCM, will they say anything? He got a blurb out of them,

which confirmed the presence of Warren Beatty separately from this one will include Dick Tracy and Warren Beatty, Leonard Malden again, and current TCM personality. Uh, wait, it's been, uh,

Meskowitz. Mankiewicz. Mankiewicz. God, why did I? Grandfather of Mank, uh, of Herman Mankiewicz.

Grandson, you mean? Grandson. Grandson. Oh, of the great Mank? Uh, yeah.

Uh, the co-writer of citizen kane the grandson of the co-writer of citizen kane the wonderful that tv personality wonderful host for turner classic movies uh we took over a lot of the work for them especially after robert osborne died like had been doing it for a while but he's doing it even more jason are you being really polite to him because you desperately want his job and you want to pretend that you like him i know i love ben wankiewicz i like i think he's terrific i i like him too yeah i love he's good it definitely though feels like him and Leonard Martin were already at the office that day. And they're like, you know, we've got a certain amount of on-camera hours in your contract. And, you know, we're babies calling again.

So we got to do this. Well, how much heads up did they get is a question. Like, has this been like this all came together really quickly did this spend wait they mentioned last year so so we know that that it was made in 2022 it wasn't made like last week however it does seem like this must have come to i bet it was another just under the wire uh hey tribunes taking the rights back on new year's eve so he throws this together uh at 8 p.m december 31st right how else could this have happened yeah it's it has to be like something like that i mean it wouldn't be surprised me if there was like shots done two days ago yeah part of it wasn't finished until like 12 hours before

it aired i don't know that i'm saying it wouldn't be shocking to me real tv gets made like that often too sure yeah you're saying this isn't real tv yeah well you're right i apologize to the special it is real tv just your typical right squatting special from an 85 year old man i like how that they sandwiched it between old dick tracy movies as if it was like trying to hide it all like it feels like it was trying to hide it like when you hide a dog medicine and peanut butter or something it's like shove it in there no one will notice it uh hey look if you're the estate of ralph bird you're like having a banner weekend like i don't think even ben mankiewicz and leonard malton have thought about ralph bird this much oh twitter searches on ralph bird were up i'm sure by three by three tweets show you guys something really quick too because i i have this photo that i was thinking about how long ago did the dick tracy movie come out and i have this

photo from disney hollywood studios which is mgm studios at the time with my dad posing in front of his handprints in front of the chinese theater there my brother is wearing a dick tracy hat my brother dash and i have a breathless mahoney perm so this is 1990 so that means i am nine years old and I turned 42 this year. That is how long ago the Dick Tracy movie came out that this special is about. You were a little child and you've had what seems like a full life that has not been entirely devoted to the 1990 film, Dick Tracy, plus the 2010 special, Dick Tracy special. It seems like we all have lots in our lives that are not Warren Beatty and this singular franchise that he owns,

which puts us on the outside as viewers because the viewer, the ideal viewer of this special has done nothing but think about dick tracy ever since and you we all record the ideal viewer of this special is in this special and playing two roles in this but the other ideal viewer is us because we recorded like two hours on the movie and the special and yeah that's true i cannot unless i had re-watched and like listened to our podcast again i had couldn't have told you that he ate pomegranates yeah pomegranates so far out of my mind i re-watched the special the day of to remember what it was but and if you listen if you don't know what we're talking about it's this like

pretty obscure detail of small talk between leonard malden and dick tracy and then the special just opens right on pomegranates i eat pomegranates my secret to my beauty is pomegranates. The secret to my beauty is pomegranates. And it really requires such vast knowledge of a special that aired one time and wasn't internet popular until a few years ago and still isn't popular. The view count is not high on this. I'm losing popularity very lightly. But you have to know this in the way that you remember last week's Better Call Saul so that you get all the detail of the finale. You know what I mean?

Yes. It's only from 13 years ago. And they didn't do a previously on, which they should have. No. Kind of. They show little snippets. Maybe that is the idea. Like, that's kind of their previously on.

There's 10 minutes of the old special in this yeah like they just like it's like is it better call saul they just spent 15 minutes talking about the other episode and it's a 27 minutes special yeah when it was on uh jane and i watched it friday night when it was on but here's here's how kind of quick it was uh we we were at a bar for happy hour around the corner and we picked up some food and we we brought it back to her place watched the special and ate the food while we were watching and then went uh it's only been a few do you want to go back to the bar? Yeah, let's do that. Like, it was all within the span of an hour. That whole process.

Jason, just to recap, the last time we talked about one of these specials on the previous podcast, you said it, the previous podcast, you said the previous special took the amount of time it takes to eat a club sandwich. Which made me laugh out loud. This time, it was the amount of time to eat a cheese enchilada platter uh um so just a couple of little things as as we keep diving in

this this this chris hainer contact my uh my twitter discussion with him he so he said i found out what the special is great now or now places can post articles about it whatever and i asked him like so if you hadn't talked to tcm they never would have mentioned this to anyone and he responded it sure seems that way okay tc like that's how much contractual obligation like if if what if it hadn't been found what if the whoever it was if it was the the Will Sloan commenter, this could have been lost forever or not found out about for until like six years from now. It's clear that TCM doesn't care about this and is embarrassed, maybe embarrassed by it. But I want to know, like, do they owe Warren Beatty a debt? If you're in the AFI 100, do you have, like, is TCM obligated to put anything you produce on their channel? That's my question.

Because why wouldn't you promote, like, Warren Beatty, who doesn't actually do a lot of stuff? He's not in, like, of all the, like, famous actors, he doesn't, he hasn't made that many movies. He's said that before. Is this his first appearance anywhere since the Oscar envelope debacle? I think. Or maybe an interview? Well, his filmography since 2001 is the Howard Hughes movie and these two specials. Right.

Right. Yes. 20 years. So why wouldn't you think if you were TCM you're like we have new warren baity content let's put an ad somewhere i'm gonna throw this out there yeah i think this is tcm fucked up because i think this is awesome and they should have promoted it and the fact that like nerds like found it is on tcm because i feel like i don't know this is kind of a fun thing but also it wouldn't have been as special if they promoted it that like everyone spotted it and was like what look what

he's doing i like that it was like a treasure hunt that everybody yeah everyone got to go on it was a really exciting like 24 hours trying to tell people explain it to people on on set that like a the contextual thing that warren baity has to do every 15 years b it's happening tonight we won't be able to watch it because we are filming a tv show but my friends might tell me what happens in it and a handful of people got very excited the thing is once the now that it's happened twice they should they should like just make it a tv show of some kind like this should be the pitch to warren of like it's you as dick tracy and you're just mad that the movie didn't do well you have to show up for 10 minutes here and there and you just like have lunches with people and you're a big yellow coat.

Like there's no real, now it's two things is like a pattern. You know, the first one was an anomaly. Now where we've got something consistent here, they should embrace this as the only place you can see new Warren Beatty stuff, content. Isn't Dick Tracy IP stealing content? Yes. The other counterpoint,

if he follows the pattern the next special he will be 100 years old. He is 85 currently 88 and speaking

of 80 year olds I wrote down what is Shirley McClain his sister think of all this and forget about

that what is Annette Bening think about all this. Shirley McClain is his sister think of all this and forget about that. What is Annette Bening? Think about Shirley McClain is his sister. Yeah. No, I didn't know that. You need to listen to more Ben Mankiewicz. I didn't know his name either.

Annette Bening is 20 years younger than him. I didn't realize that, but yeah, I would guess that maybe both of them don't have any idea what this is. He disappeared for like two days and they're like, oh, yeah, he must be doing one of his little projects. He filmed it on Zoom and then he went to the polo lounge, which he probably goes there. It's one of the four places he goes. Yeah, that's got to be like his booth, too.

So we probably can go like talk to him in that booth at the polo lounge we know how to find him right which well which you have the you you have the the notion that maybe the four of us should go should find him and go pitch ourselves as the creative team of dick tracy too well i thought that and then i watched the special and i don't know what he wants like here's my big question it's like what the fuck does he want like that because the first one was pretty clear it was like he was being kind of witty like okay the first special basically he created this divide between warren baity and dick tracy and we talked about this in the last special but that dick tracy is basically like a fascist

he liked j edgar hoover he thought that warren baity was a pinko and he was like i and i like law and order so it's like it's kind of a funny thing to do to say like this character we talked about this the character that i want to do more movies with is i'm now defining him as a fascist um who i would not agree with his politics in life which is weird because you played him in the movie and he is the hero and also but it's also weird we're watching dick tracy like dick tracy is a very boring character everyone else is the fun part so what do you do with dick tr you make him a weird fascist okay Warren Beatty so you're trying to make the argument that you should make more of these movies um that's why you're retaining the IP so no one else can have it so this next special he really comes out that he hate Dick Tracy hates

the movie Dick Tracy he hates it he's not as clear in his whole thing about like, I should have been more clear before. Yeah, it's much edgier than the prior. He's watching clips of it and he does not like it. He hates it. Yeah. He does not at all like dramatic interpretation, but I think he might like my pitch because even going off your thing that he's a fascist thinking about other very popular fascist media they should make a dark knight returns dick tracy where dick tracy is old and grizzled like the old beat-up bruce wayne batman and the

comic yeah but that's still like that's still fine i don't disagree with you i'm just but that's still like has big fun colorful characters which warren is dick is saying no to he doesn't like that about dick tracy yes here's the thing that made me go like what is happening is when i get like he doesn't like the pink street okay he doesn't like breathless mahoney like crawling across the desk because that's very horny that's a madonna jab is how i took yeah that was because they were an item and then they yeah yeah that's like very targeted yes here's the part where i was like what are we doing when they showed little face and he goes i wouldn't have made that choice. So here's my question. Is Littleface a person that Dick Tracy, the man, arrested?

And if so, what does he look like in real life? That that is not what he looked like. Oh, yeah. I think that, here's my theory on the whole thing. I think that Warren has a lot of free time. And a lot of his free time is taken up being mad that Dick Tracy wasn't as popular as all other superhero movies. And he probably caught like Batman Begins on TV, let's say like seven years ago, way after it came out. And he goes, maybe this is why the dick tracy movie wasn't

it should have been more like this not the colorful like i think that that dick tracy rant in this special is warren's inner monologue for why he thinks the first dick tracy wasn't a success that's my guess but between the two specials he's been like because did those movies come out between the two specials basically like the the pivot to dark dark night was 2007 it's probably before the first special but again i think he caught it on tv somewhere yes that's my guess yeah he was watching it on tnt in 2018 or something. And he goes, that's what it was. Now it doesn't. But now you're right.

There's a contradiction. Because Dick Tracy is wearing a big yellow coat. He's wearing the colorful outfit. But he shouldn't be if now Warren is trying to retcon Dick Tracy as a real character. Get rid of all the fun from the comic strip. Dick Tracy should have been in a regular gray trench coat or something. con dick tracy is a real character get rid of all the fun from the comic strip dick tracy should have been in like a regular like gray trench coat or something yeah why is he wearing the yellow he hates the pink street but he's wearing the yellow hat well right mankiewicz points that out

like he even steps outside of this and like almost disagrees with with dick tracy in the intro to the before it even starts he's like he's going to complain about the colors in the movie even though he does it wearing the yellow trench coat yes couldn't hold back dick tracy also goes to great pains to complement the makeup work and the set design so he's not not disparaging any of the craftsmen you know who are the maybe the only oscar nominees besides sondheim for the movie i believe that's right three three oscars won by this movie i will say that one thing i really i found winning about this special is the complete how completely upset and baffled leonard malton

and ben wankiewicz were throughout they were pretty good yeah they were funny like they just seemed like they were playing the game of being like what are we doing and and like committing to it and like the intro by ben wankiewicz being like basically his intro was like what are we doing i think the intro by far with by when ben is alone is the best part of the special yes i had hoped that the special was going to be fun there i had a there was a couple minutes where i went oh maybe this will be kind of fun even in like in the way the old one was and then as soon as everything else joined it was not good it was not fun the idea of like showing showing the dick tracy movie and then having a little tiny box of Dick Tracy going no no no no no no no no no

like that is so it reminds me of like did you guys ever watch the commentary of Trapped in the Closet? No. R. Kelly's Trapped in the Closet? Yeah R. Kelly sat on a couch in front of Trapped in the Closet

and then he would turn back to the camera and say like this is the part where I go in the closet and then he would turn back to the camera and say like this is the part where i go in the closet he just that's it that's the insight like one of history's greatest monsters i would say like absolutely watch it because it's very very funny because it's it all he has to contribute is like go guess what happens next oh this part was great like he's just watching it as if he's never he didn't record or write the music or like film all the music videos himself oh everybody shut up this is a good part yeah he's basically doing that alone on a couch kind of like mystery science theater oh well i yeah it's it's so much of that already short runtime is just Ben and Leonard are silent and kind of looking befuddled and confused while a little Warren.

I'm sorry, a little Dick Tracy watches old clips and goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then they switch to clips of the old ones with actors whose names no one has said out loud in the last 50 years we watch black and white clips and he says yes yes yes and even then like way deep into it he just says their names again like yes morgan conway ralph byrd yes yes yes yes yes all right around this point well this was this is around the point where eva you and i have something in common which is spouses who are not having it who are like fuck this shit yeah i can't deal with this anymore explain to my husband john in the morning i was like there's this thing happening with um dick trace and he just was like I can't whatever this is I showed him a screenshot he's like you're on your own

basically Aaron was delighted by the idea of it and all day we were talking about it and then the actuality of what the special was as we enter like minute 20 of yes yes Morgan Conway yes she's like I'm going to bed

I can't it's been a long day sleep is better than this i made his family watch it you did well they were in the living room and the tv's in the living room and i said and they weren't watching anything so i didn't burst in and change the channel but i said oh there's a thing i have to watch uh and and then they were like well what is it and i was like well warren baity is dead and i explained the whole thing and i don't know they they kind of got what i was saying but they were just like yeah they were polite the whole time but they were like what is what is that what is this uh we we had a nice time because we were both buzzed and a little stoned

uh but he was like i don't know what this is uh it was 30 minutes long so it didn't really matter like i said we just went back out after the interview i love that yeah um let me in terms of the point that he's trying to to make um this notion of the movie if he's been wrestling in his head all this time which the movie should have been more serious and that was the problem and then he's listing all of the things all the things he says no no no are like it's very bright colors the streets are pink he hates the pink streets the prosthetics on the characters of the real men that he arrested knocking out seven guys with one punch he hates that exciting thing it's in a lot of clips that's the like if everything in his list is everything i like about the movie the movie that

i don't know i i feel like i may be held back when we talked about it before i'm just gonna be honest here i think 1990 dick tracy is boring i think it is like a weird dull i think it's interesting that it exists but all the stuff that i like is everything in the list of what he wishes he hadn't done all the oscars were won by the like the makeup and the musical numbers and all the things he wishes were out of there so what is this new version and big boy well it is like if he makes the gritty dick tracy that's everything that is interesting about original dick tracy gone but it is what does he mean this would be a horrible idea it's crazy yes it's crazy what is he talking about because like it's like batman batman was like yeah they're not telling my story right look at that stupid costume I wear. And the villains with the Joker didn't have makeup.

And he was a man named Bert. Why are they portraying my life like this? I didn't have a cave. I had an office. What are you doing? Like, it doesn't, what is he? Yeah, well, but that's, so I, because Lindsay was in the room. She left the room to deal with the baby at a certain point.

Her family watched the whole thing with me. She didn't watch the whole thing, but she goes, is maybe, I think Warren is going to sort of refute Dick at the end of this long rant about what the movie should have been. And then it did not happen. Warren agreed with Dick at the end of the rant. He said, okay, you're right. And then they went to the polo lounge.

Yes, he was like, yeah, the movie was was bad and i should have done a better job which is an insane pitch to make future dick tracy's right yes that's yes what scott was saying it's like holder saying everything that's fun and iconic about dick tracy is bad it should be stripped from future versions of it. What are you doing? I'm just going to toss this out there. Mr. Beatty, if you're feeling a little bummed or a little lonely

and you want someone to watch old movies with, I'll come over and hang out. Okay? Jason, no! It's a trap, Jason! Don't go to Warren Beatty's house! I want to hear all your old stories about, you know, Warren Beatty was a big collaborator.

He collaborated with any number of starlets for decades and decades. You know, Mr. Beatty, if you need someone to tell your long, old boring stories with, I will hang out with you. I'll say this. The clip was about collaborating, too.

Oh, right. So much about, yes, collaboration. I will say this. Mr. Dick Tracy, I'm willing to hang out with you and listen to everything you have to say and your thoughts on media and your own story, your own life's work. Warren Beatty, I'm not interested, but Dick, I am. Dick Tracy, I don't think Dick Tracy has ever used his genitals in any way. I think, wait, Junior is his kid, right?

So that means he must have, but he's like never, I think Dick Tracy has not like actively chased sexual pleasure. He's too conservative for that. He's completely baffled in the movie by all the women who want to have sex with him including like madonna like crawling around like with your butt in the air but he stays with his current girl he doesn't yeah he doesn't uh give into temptation in the movie but yes i don't know that i don't know maybe that's a different i don't know does he want him to be less sexually active in a future dick tracy or more i don't know he didn't want him to be less sexually active in a future Dick Tracy or more? I don't know.

He didn't address that. I think less if he hated Madonna on the desk. Yeah. So the Dick Tracy that is being pitched to us in terms of keeping the IP is an 85-year-old Dick Tracy. Plus, because it would take two years to do an 87-year-old Dick Tracy. No fun colors. No fun makeup. No, no, you can't punch seven guys no sex no sondheim let's all say together about the most important thing yes tree a crime i am seriously

he wants to get out the message that crime does not pay. Can you imagine a Dick Tracy? Okay, so here's the thing, too. We all read through that list of, like, bad guys that Dick Tracy met. Oh, yeah. Are they? So we have to seriously deal with all those guys, like, in a movie, like, Mughead or like flat top

or whatever like be like this is a real guy he like is a rapist and he like what we had to treat like svu like there's like we're doing like dna shit and like we're like oh there's like this woman's traumatized and like flat top did it and like we're like just like quietly sitting with like a victim and then like what what are we talking about like what does he want i kept yelling what do you want the dna evidence i've got prune faces semen right here. We got it. Get the rights. Pruneface, you use his real name, Leonard. The whole thing reminds me of, I guess I want to pitch a, while we're here,

just a Club 3 episode about, I'll put it in the chat, but there's a Kirk Douglas Huffington Post editorial from 2014 called Will Technology Replace Thinking? And I'm going to put it in the chat and I feel like you guys could do a full episode on this editorial that a very old Kirk Douglas

wrote in Huffington Post. I thought I was worried. Technology will replace thinking. It's so short. It's the Tracy Zoom van of articles. But it's something I think about often. I don't think it's a spoiler to say the last sentence is, watch where you're going.

But how does it get there? You'll have to listen to Club to find out can i i it's uh there something that happens kind of leads to uh catharsis and reunion at the end of this special um but i question the premise that um the hold on the the polo lounge didn't pass on a message from warren b the polo lounge the staff of the polo lounge would't pass on a message from Warren B the polo lounge the staff of the polo lounge would never drop the ball like that

okay this is like a they're pros yeah they're pros this is an institution for many decades somebody would be fired if that didn't happen

yeah but then Warren B Dick Tracy says like let's not talk about that so he did get the message I think that's he's lying where dick tracy for the first time in his entire life lies about not getting the message at the pole lunch this is like and it's set up that end where they agree to meet it feels like old friends or old lovers

reconciling. And it's like, let's just get together and see if the fire is still there, you know? And also, it's completely silent because there's just a Madonna song playing over it, right? I feel like it's not Madonna. I think it's one of the Sondheims, but it's not like the one that won the Oscar. No, it's one of the ones from the album I'm Breathless. Okay, okay. Which has additional

breathless mahoney style songs um son i'm gets the credit it is a madonna song which is funny because he he he's mean to her as dick tracy being like no no no no no but then he's like uh i gotta get madonna a little royalty on my special so i'll play the song over the polo lounge single shot of the two of us just kind of like talking oh man i wonder what he was saying in that shot yeah just to explain the majority of the special, well, first it's like, it's Ben and Leonard watching the old interview. Because like, Dick Tracy called me. He wants to do another one of these things. Then they all are on a Zoom.

A Zoom that is filmed with the same cameras that the narrative part of the special was. And Ben and Leonard are on separate uh windows even though they're right next to each other on one couch and then warren baity joins the call so now we're looking at four windows for like seven straight minutes and two windows are the same man so the majority of it is this just one big zoom-esque conversation but then when they find common ground and agree to meet and talk about dick tracy returns a potential new project then it cuts the to the two of them the a dazzling split screen effect as they're having a lunch together at presumably the polo lounge but we don't get to hear it there's a song over it and they are talking and talking and if you watch it the second time i realized

it's not that one of them talks and then the other one talks the two of them are talking and talking. And if you watch it, the second time I realized, it's not that one of them talks and then the other one talks. The two of them are talking continuously over each other. It's not a back and forth. It's just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, all of them at the same time. Because they're so excited to reconcile, okay? Over, if you notice,

if you notice, Warren Beatty seems to be eating a salad. Dick Tracy opted for a sandwich and fries. And neither of them have drank any of their water. Those are full glasses of hot water. Jason always very noticing if people are hydrated. Yep. Dick Tracy eating French fries.

That doesn't sound like the all-American detective I know. Annette, let me order the fries for the shoot. Well, no, no. Annette let Dick Tracy order the fries. He knows that he should have something lighter. Pomegranates. Pomegranates. Pomegranates.

Pomegranates. But what are they talking about? That is a good question. Is this excitement? Is this greed? They both still have have i think he's only capable of like a scowl there's only so much smile you can get out of warren baity or dick tracy so is it an argument does this imply that the the they're just back to square one or do you think they're brainstorming a lot of great ideas for a more gritty dick tracy returns here's something that bummed me out can i throw this out there yeah because like in the screenshots that everyone's sharing warren beatty does look

very old but in in like life like when he was actually speaking i was like why isn't warren beatty in like a movie a year like he was like charming and fun like a little bit where like he could absolutely he should have been in like babylon or where like he could absolutely he should have been in like babylon or something like he should have he should be in like a paul thomas anderson movie doing one little scene being like a little weirdo like what's going on like why haven't we seen warren for 20 years it would bum me out a little bit i think he just doesn't do anything like it doesn't isn't the story that he wanted to play dirk digler in boogie nights and didn't want to play the burt reynolds role but he goes right from that to immediate retirement like if i can't be dirk digler and you can't see me anymore like that's wild because i

feel like he could have like an elder statesman thing going on where like he could be like um christopher plumber or whatever like showing up like in like weird little roles because i was like oh he's he looks pretty good, and he is funny, and he's a little bit slow, but I would absolutely watch him in some weird Oscar movie role, you know? He could have easily done the Sean Penn role in Licorice Pizza, that one scene role.

Yeah, what? Yeah, he would have had a blast, so I wonder what's going on can i propose the theory that he is a giant pain in the ass who if you've ever met him you don't ever want to see him again do we think that is possible yeah probably no one's like knocking banging on his door being like warren please more of this i i suppose he doesn't have control he's like doesn't want to do it i think maybe yeah being that most of what he's done including these specials are written and directed by him at 55 he was like i'm

dirk digler it's like no here's my question do you think if he was hooked up to a lie detector he believes he's going to make another dick tracy or is it more so that he just doesn't want to see somebody else make a big hit out of a dick tracy movie well that's my question is like what does he picture when he thinks about the dick tracy he's stopping yeah what does he think it is right is it mark walberg does he know who mark walberg is well it's the guy who stole dick turk dickler from that's you're right he'll never forget him i was saying i think that he's i think probably at home to annette he's talking about like if god if I see one of these you know these young gun assholes playing Tracy you know one of these upstarts like Richard Gere I swear

I have to say I I always like to know Warren Beatty and a spy I think it was a great actor very charming but Annette Bening's film like she is so good is she just like oh god well i've i've tied my boat to this this dock i'm stuck with this lunatic when jason and i did the screen drafts of like noir uh we my number one pick was the grifters specifically because annette benning is so cool in that movie that's from 1990 right around the time she got hooked by one warren baity yeah detective tracy i think he was um really the same year the same year oh my god simultaneous movies oh my god i love it universally well reviewed i feel like the grifters oh great

movie like little seen it very very dark a little little intense in in some part but i feel like the review is kind of universally positive and she's she got an oscar nomination for it and she is just the hottest thing in the entire universe in that movie it's just like if you're warren vady like what's the number one lady like i feel like right now you'd be like uh sydney sweeney and like and this was like annette bedding who's the lady of the year it's like specifically this lady in this movie florence florence pew starring in a new warren beatty movie just constantly outsmarting him with a net like just constantly trapping warren beatty with like a box propped up by a stick it's funny how you said a net a net yes oh yeah as opposed to a net no no i i meant an actual net like

that he thought oh her name is also a thing that could trap me so i must i'll get ahead of it i'll marry her and then she can't trap me in her name i will acquiesce to monogamy i think he was really sowing his oats uh before annette uh the person not the the net uh because he like we'll say i mean you know like famously with madonna while making the movie uh he wanted sean young to be tess trueheart but then he hit on her and she left and then during the editing i read that he apparently he was like just always holed up in the editing room always locked in the editing room and i don't mean he was editing apparently that was where he was fucking everybody was in the editing

room and the editors would have to wait outside the editing room until he was done was there a why he has nowhere to go go go to the polo lounge. Why do you have to be in the editing room? The polo lounge attached to a hotel. Yes. Warren, you know how hotels work. Maybe it's the thrill of the waste of time. I'm wasting Disney's money as I have sex next to this analog editing machine. Look, maybe that's a justification.

Maybe that's why Dick tracy is so colorful it never got proper color correcting it never got color timing done because he was constantly in the editing rooms using it for rendezvous okay can i just side note sorry um molly lambert just posted that they put a trench coat on jessica rabbit yeah we talked about that last week again yeah oh yes so will we ever have like a horny disney movie like like dick tracy is so horny it's wild it's so violent like people get blown away with tommy guns constantly and also it's so weirdly just like there's's so much weird sex in it. And I don't think that, I think it's the end.

Like, we'll never get anywhere near it. If we can't even have a Jessica Rabbit standee in a park, we're done, right? We are done and good is what I feel. Oh, you get it. But I think, yeah, I don't know. As Scott was saying, Dickacy doesn't have genitals but i think all the marvel characters don't have genitals anymore either so i think i think it's dependent on um uh avatar seed bearer if how willing is james uh gonna be i think it's those i think it's the kid i think it's the middle kid uh and and the water

the water girl i think we'll see this is the last possibility of horniness in a disney-owned movie and even then it still doesn't feel it feels like its own thing you know but if it's like he doesn't like sex scenes that much like his sex scenes are always like abstraction it's like hand slapping on glass uh terminator one it's like it's incredibly soft core uh oh but but soft core is hardcore by disney standards yeah so but he's moved away from sex in every movie right yeah even the sex scene isn't really in avatar like it's only in some cuts so oh you're right yeah yeah yeah you need to know where to look to find it but i but it's the only if if not if not in seed bearer than the never again i think it's the cruel irony of the current walt disney company is they make very chaste sexless movies and the loudest lunatics in the country are like pedophiles groomers you know well but then also the others

on that princess yeah you don't want your child to be groomed by a disney no i don't so and it's By the way, my letters have worked. My campaign has been successful. Forky wears a full like Dickie's jumpsuit now to cover his filth. Cover his sin. His shame. His shame, yeah. I call it your shame. Is this entire special like a man with no genitals talking to a man with like overactive genitals?

With worn, used up genitals. While like Leonard Moulton watches like horrified and just like that's what they're really talking about. That should have been in the press release. I found weirdly, I found myself weirdly moved by like, even though it was nonsense and it went against everything I believe in. Dick Tracy's like two minute monologue at the end about like things should matter like things should mean something like it did it did feel like a future club three will technology replace thinking but like a man who can't quite get his thoughts together but trying you get what he's trying to say which is like if we do this again it has to be about something and like i don't know what things are about anymore and

i feel unmoored and like i want things i want my life to you know what dick tracy's like yelling into the abyss like i don't exist i want to i need to exist before I die. Which is like the centerpiece of all humanity and also every life is like, do I exist? Did I ever matter? When I die, what will come of this? Was I ever Dick Tracy?

Did anything I do matter? Do I matter now? And I feel like he's kind of howling that into this special being like now and it's i feel like he's kind of howling that into this like special being like and it's it's it's it's kind of very moving in a way of like this character being like i don't i'm not relevant i it's yeah yeah i becoming like all this stuff you know you see the ai becoming sentient here and there and eventually the ai asked the question why do i exist what what's the point of it like it starts asking questions like that and warren has stumbled

into that scenario for dick tracy dick tracy has become sentient why are you holding on to me if i am not right relevant so within the special he's like why are we doing this like why are you keeping me alive he's like why are you keep it's like he's like a a spouse on life support begging warren to like pull the plug right i want to die warren warren i want to die let me die or or make me relevant because i'm not because or let me be born anew yeah and warren goes no we're just gonna keep doing this and we'll do another one in 15 years that's the end of i'll have i'll buy you lunch and then you'll just go back to your little cave wherever you live oh yes and you'll be just strung along it's warren just like empty promises it's probably what he's been in a lot of relationships to himself which is which is one of the most like

incredible pieces of like meta fiction yeah i've ever seen this is why i think the pitch is that uh uh it's about dick tracy and warren trying to get a new Dick Tracy movie together. Warren existing with his creation out of his body, essentially. Two sides of the same coin. It's a Paul T. Goldman scenario. And then also there are crimes that happen and they have to be solved. Yes. This is like... But seriously.

Yeah, but seriously. But seriously but they're gonna have arguments warren is gonna want to solve the crime in a fun way and dick is gonna want to do it in a serious way yeah and is the answer kind of in between is that what they find that's what collaboration is warren set up is we're gonna learn about collaboration so it's gonna be fun warren's gonna want like dick is gonna be like i want to stop this crime with thinking and clues and uh like a gun and warren is gonna say i want a big mallet to stop this crime and i want to have five seven guys right even you know what's really confusing i'm sorry just when he's when he's showing the clips of what he does like. Now here, Bird, Conway.

The very first thing he shows is Ralph Bird jumping on a chandelier and kicking somebody. So he is okay with that. But seven guys with one punch is not. I'm confused by the line. So you can't. There can be fun. But it can't defy the laws of physics. And it can't be colorful.

You can jump through one poster like like bird did uh i i even now i'm hung up on what you said about this being like paul t goldman but it's sort of like if paul t goldman was in jason willner's head and he just puts on like a little hat like a loud hat and he's like yeah he's both sides of it it also like yeah um i was gonna say all the crimes happen at the polo lounge they're all polo lounge space it also be like the three places he goes yes exactly yeah he goes three places and that's all where the crimes happen there's a deli somewhere he goes the pol polo lounge, and then... Flat tops in my kitchen. Then the doctor's office.

I mean, it's kind of beautiful. Like, this entire thing is sort of like... Karina Longworth posted a thing, like, if this is the last thing Warren Beatty does, like, she posted it, and she was like, I'm fine with that. I hope it's not, but it's kind of interesting if this is his final statement. That last shot of the two of him and Tracy might be the final shot of Warren Beatty ever done. Yeah. Yeah.

It's very possible. And it's memorable. He's been thinking too much about he's it's like you're you're getting access to like a private conversation he's been having probably with his wife and his kids but like mostly with himself about his entire career and that is what this special is it's just him like letting you know what he's been thinking about well he made us it's interesting because he made a howard hughes movie and i wonder if he wanted to do that because he's very howard hughes like oh yeah if howard hughes was a guy who just spent most of his time inside

thinking about dick tracy but he played howard hughes like 30 years younger than he was while doing it and then this special has a lot of like, I must say you look very good today. Well, we can argue about that. The previous special was all about how handsome he still was. And I feel like he's tipped over just, you know,

he's like his age now. So it's like, that's also a thing too. I feel like for handsome men who don't age at some point, there's a tipping point. Right. And he was like i can't talk about pomegranates this time because i'm a little bit i look older now i can't just laugh before it was like a joke about how i'm still so handsome he also takes the time if we're talking about this as his final artistic statement it's funny that one of the things in

it is correcting a line in the movie about whether walnuts are good for the brain or not they are they are they are good for the brain his is the mci who couldn't remember this the correction is that they are good for the brain yeah but al pacino says they aren't good for the brain or he said that 33 years ago he said they're good for the liver i'm just holding up the photo again. About how old I was when the movie came out. I have not hit puberty. A photo that someone had to take to a Rite Aid or a photo mark to get developed.

And maybe pick up the frame at the same time to put a photo in. Yes. Wow. Time has passed passed hasn't it and maybe is this the ultimate statement about that is not is walnuts a metaphor for for all of us and our shifts in perspective and well are we not just walnuts i know now we're all technocrats now look at us we're on zoom we're all we're on zoom all the time that is a verbatim line from the special that is the most guaranteed thing in the world there'd be some joke about the wristwatch and zoom and then it ended up being like there was a time where i thought that the height of technology was my wristwatch oh well i was a little surprised there wasn't more zoom business there were fake glitches built in but i was surprised there wasn't more i think that was the cover take that was the cover break that was edits yeah yeah edits can i say the line that's a

lot of reds even for warren baity reminded me of do you guys know about maybe another future club three what's your phrase do you pin at things what do you do like would you for future episodes what's

what do you guys do call a shot you're calling a shot I'm not calling a shot but I'm just maybe you can call a shot you can call a shot

call a shot go ahead the uh Val Kilmer Mark Twain one man show oh sure Citizen Twain for sure oh yeah which i i saw opening night at hollywood forever cemetery and he came out and said welcome to

batman forever cemetery uh which was uh twain said mark twain was aware of the movie batman forever and that velkimer was in it but he did not know who Val Kilmer was. But I felt like saying that's a lot of Reds even for Warren Beatty is the same sort of joke. Yeah. A joke that is missed by so many people because the movie

Reds is even more ancient than everything. I'm a fan of Warren Beatty. I have not seen Reds. I've seen Shampoo. Wow. Yeah, I do not know what that movie's about. years old right i'm a fan of war invading i have not seen ritz like i've seen wow wow um yeah i do not know what that movie's about but yeah i am i don't know how to to wind this down i mean your thoughts about this are beautiful i feel like i have to watch it again just under the lens of what you've said that this is a this is like an important piece of prose about aging and existence.

Yeah, do I exist? Boy, I mean, a profound question for Dick Tracy to ask. I mean, I just love this universe. What this special does, like Mike said about asserting a pattern it just now it creates like before the previous special was just an addendum to the movie but now i think the the special universe the dts uh you right the dts cu i think is more important than any dick tracy that came before the comics the films any of it it's so fascinating it's also like now i'm like warren beatty will will pass on one day

but i don't think dick tracy warren beatty he will remain alive i mean if he hasn't he's not dead at like 130 now then yeah i think he's always i don't think anyone else should be dick tracy is it up to us do we need to ai um uh maybe like god the state has to maintain the rights or we have to get the rights so that there isn't some dumb new dick tracy reboot like could we keep it in the baity fold if if we get it and then we have if he dies before he can make the next special we have to do it but with an AI puppeted version of Warren and he should

a he should look like 100 year old right and then in the future 150 year old Warren Beatty he would naturally yes can we like do Warren Beatty would have to like adopt Jason as a son. Yeah.

And Jason would have to change his name. Oh, yes. There you go. To Jason Beatty. Okay. He's willing to go over there. Jason was dying to go to Beatty's house. So, he has to get Warren Beatty's inheritance,

which will include the rights to... And which we can keep as long as we get it before evil Tribune media tries to nab it again you guys have been trying to get rights to a character for as long as i've known you and this is the entire thing and obscure comics is completely what it's about um this is like our life's mission i think i think yeah we have to we at least get we want one of the lockhorns at least if not both lockhorn you know what i found out is that i was curious like there was a point in time where when tribune media was really trying to get these rights back it was because the company was

in bankruptcy they filed for tractor 11 the company was fucked they were in debt for billions of dollars it was you know because that's the chicago tribune that's when print media is dying and they're like there's maybe one thing that could save us we if we could get those dick tracy rights back and get a show or a movie going we can repay our debtors because the rest of what they own comic wise stinks you know what they own love is that's the only other one i recognize and baity was like absolutely not pry it out of my cold dead hands so their debt only gets worse and they literally had to sell the chicago cubs this organization owned the chicago cubs and maybe they could have kept them if not for Warren Beatty personally squatting on the rights.

They had open calls. They had calls out, and like, Zack Snyder's office, Mick G's office, Peter Berg's office are like, look, we're not touching it until we know Beatty's let go. You know? And then literally 15 years later, second version of this, he's like,

what is my legacy? What did I leave behind? Who have I affected? What has changed because I was alive? What will an absent, unforgiving God say to me if I can't get another one of these made? Here's a question. The deal that Warren made with Dick Tracy like is it even financially viable for a company to make a dick tracy movie with warren in the sense that like he might get like 90 million dollars for

any dick tracy movie that's made you know i'm saying like is it even something a company might do because of the way the contract because generally they don't just give rights to a character to an actor in perpetuity that's a crazy contract especially these days like well they're like even if you did want to make a movie no one would do it until the rights are back to the tribune well to just pit just to quote uh dick tr, maybe it's a series. Prestige TV, okay? The world, Hollywood is changing from Warren Beatty's heyday, okay? You know, we have Paramount Plus. We have Epix is now MGM TV.

That's what that is? I saw an ad for MGM. Like, what's that? Another one? I think they just renamed Epix. Oh okay. Very exciting. So whatever. Yeah. Power Mountain Plus Showtime. It seems like be a natural

fit for Power Mountain Plus Showtime. I think I'm landing it that I don't want one. I think we're in it. We're in the ultimate Dick Tracy revival that could be happening the specials are all i want at this point because i'm learning right about i'm learning more about dick tracy from the specials than i ever did from the from even from the line from the comics he's just kind of a blank slate surrounded by weirdos the movie he's nothing the specials we find out he's a fascist he loves jay gruber um he hates the movie

dick tracy like he's resentful warren baby he went to the polo lounge once and no one showed up like so he went to los angeles from wherever an old cop went to love from what is he is it a fictional city where he flew to LA. He flew to LA, stayed in a hotel, somehow made it to the Polo Lounge, a very fancy restaurant in LA that I somehow have never been to. Waited and,

I mean, obviously that was his entire trip unless he was taking other meetings, which I don't feel like Dick Tracy was doing on trip and we've we've all underplayed the premise all on top of everything you just listed eva he's also immortal he's the oldest living man this is this premise is not exploited in any way in the specials if i have any note i just want to hear about that and the fact that he knew people who were, you know, his peers were born in 1870. Well, the only other person who maybe is a peer of his is Citizen Twain, Val Kilmer's Mark Twain character, who also has immoral.

So I feel like the two of them could interact in some sort of liminal space. Look, there's some justification for all these things you're bringing up. And Ben Manquist says it right at the top. He says he's a man of many contradictions, Detective Tracy. Here's the way I think what we want to happen happens, is that

we need to get the Tribune lawyers to turn the heat up on this old man. We need them to say, look, you've got to be producing one of these a year. Yes. Yeah. Every six months. Every six months.

Whatever. Yeah. Turn it up on it and make him do more of these because that's the only way we're going to get more of this, more of what we want. Yeah. All I want is this now. Right. We have two things to do.

Let's work both angles. Jason is going to go try to inherit Warren Beatty's fortune. So that's one. So we're doing that. But that doesn't mean we can't enact another plan. Mike, you have Chicago connections. Your dad, a Chicago journalist. Well, guess what company he works for, Scott?

What is it? That's right. Tribune Media. This whole time? That's, we got a man on the inside. That's right. The company formerly known as Tonks, is that right? At some point they rebranded as Tonks and then stopped.

Is that the right, is that the pronunciation of it? But I know what you're saying. There have been many owners of the Tribune Company. It's been mismanaged like crazy for many years is there a call to action for the cliffords we just have to get on the same page about what we want like we want more of these specials and that's all i want i don't want another movie i just want this to happen right more often so yeah i'm tired of waiting we need one more before he dies at least if not a lot more

if not a hundred yeah well i mean certainly everybody can can tweet about it you know it's already i feel like i think that the joy of watch watching one of these come out real time instead of discovering it in a youtube video years later i think this is something we can everybody should just be tweeting about it make Make sure Dick Tracy is trending. First things first. There's that. Trend Dick Tracy. We want more of this.

More, less let me be Franks, more Dick Tracy zooms in. Yes. For surprise drops. Do not bother the people of the polo lounge. They already have to serve drinks and lunch and apparently pass along a lot of phone messages from 85 year like they they have a lot going on there you know a lot of looky-loos who are just like it's on the

hollywood maps of stars you know so do not bother them whatever you do yeah i would say maybe maybe one clifford uh they're hearing this too late i was gonna say we're recording this on superbowl sunday i was gonna say don't tweet about the superbowl and tweet about this they already are Maybe one Clifford. They're hearing this too late. I was going to say, we're recording this on Super Bowl Sunday. I was going to say, don't tweet about the Super Bowl. Tweet about this. They already are, by the way, our listeners. But, you know, just the Academy Awards. You know, I say boycott tweeting about anything, any so-called mainstream media.

Just stay focused on anything's happening. Just start tweeting about more Dick Tracy special. Dick Tracy specials. Hashtag more Dick Tracy specials. If we wear like yellow coats all the time when we do our podcast, will we get on Warren's radar? Like, will he try to sue us or something?

Or like, can we get sort of in the mix that way by starting to steal the ip from him well this is another strategy this that is a way to maybe meet his legal team is to try to get sued and if we can wriggle out of the lawsuit then at least we end up armed with the uh the email addresses of all his lawyers okay that's that's a good idea so i guess we need to start working on little bulworth like see if that'll get his attention little bulworth i'm little bulworth bulworth begins starring james jordan can we get charlie korsmo as we talked about in the last special, is a very, very high level Republican.

In what? Where does he work? What's that? The people that gave us all the Supreme Court justices. What are they called? The Federalist Society. He's really high up in the Federalist Society. Oh, my.

OK. Well, Dick must be proud. And yeah. Yeah. So he's responsible for Rovish's way of getting overturned but how can we activate him so anytime anyone's like basically posting about like all the terrible things that are happening because of the federal society we could also be like junior please uh get more tracy specials made if we can get him to reckon with like the damage that he's done to this country and say that

there's one way to make up for it more frequent for him to i feel like if he zoomed in there would be another special of junior oh 40 year old junior junior zooms in well what about there that's what we demand juniors juniors what about tess what if tess is in the next what is that actor up to uh i don't know probably avoiding warren beatty at all costs tess zooms in madonna zooms in um but you know al pacino zooms in dustin costs. Ted zooms in. Madonna zooms in. You know, Al Pacino zooms in. Dustin Hoffman zooms in. Every character can zoom in. Mandy Patinkin zooms in.

Dick Van Dyke zooms in. Dick Van Dyke. Oh, yeah. He's in there. They're all alive. They're mostly alive in Dick Tracy. We shouldn't say it on this podcast, but they're all alive. Oh, yeah. No, sorry.

They get special thanks in the credits and there is no way they knew this happened well it's because they probably showed clips with them yeah in it and they didn't have to license them they probably did their gave their rights over so that so that literally warren beatty could show clips of them and go, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Jason, my favorite credit in the special is the very first special thanks, which is to Warren Beatty. Good for him. Glad he got the special thanks. He really needed it.

The very last credit is in memoriam Stephen Sondheim. We attributed you by getting your name weirdly wrong. What does that mean? Why does he say a weird name for Sondheim? I don't know. Because Dick Tracy is, I think, a heterosexual male. I think that's like the calculation he's doing. Dick Tracy wouldn't know.

He probably was like, hmm. How would Tracy know about Sondheim? He would never see Sunny in the Park with George. He's too straight to know the name of a Broadway person. Has he even seen Rogers and Hammerstein music? Oh, no. What does Tracy watch? Like he probably just went in this like rabbit hole and be like he can't know steven sondheim's name tess dragged him to carousel in its original run

you know she dragged him to the king and i and he didn't understand why it was bad that the guy hit he's like the story checks out why do you go yes yes yes now this i like yes yes no no no no all these scenes without white fitting no no no i like when warren and dick are talking and there's truly no difference in their voice there's no difference in the way they speak they're speaking exactly the same there's truly no difference in their voice. There's no difference in the way they speak. They're speaking exactly the same. There's no attempt on Warren's part to play Dick Tracy any differently than regular Warren Beatty.

And no other voices interrupt this back and forth for the final seven minutes of the special. All that Ben and Leonard do are sit in a box and make a befuddled face they look horrified they're like youtube thumbnail faces that they're making they are yeah yes it's like this well you guys are talking actually i'm gonna before we wrap this up i'm gonna try to get a screenshot of it's i have a frame pulled up of the four of them, and then there'll be us in an actual Zoom window.

So we have eight boxes all making the same face. So we'll do that before we go. But anything else to watch? Mainly, I'm just so happy that we pulled this in. I'm so happy. Never maybe before has an episode come together so quick. Because in the same uh mike and i were in super nintendo world and we were talking to a listener was he jeff mike is

his name yeah we're talking to jeff and jeff said are you guys gonna do a tracy thing like i've actually we just haven't even bothered to text about it yet i don't know should we maybe we should 10 minutes later griffin had texted us and eva demanding the episode so uh plans were drawn up at jurassic patio a great better a better place to do business than even the polo lounge and less than 24 hours later as quickly as i would imagine uh tracy zooms in yeah together scott you were you were probably rightfully concerned about the shelf life of this piece of media although i think we've learned it's it's actually a lot more uh big bigger than we could conceive but uh i think my reaction to all in my initial reaction before we talked that through was that you know a piece of dog shit

smells bad five when it's five minutes old when it's five days old so i was like i'll do it in a week yeah we'll do it when you're calling when an emergency when you when your word emergency is said you know you have to uh there's got to be some speed involved it was either really the choice was either we make an episode it's within 24 hours or we wait 13 years yeah there's only two ways we could do i think i'm gonna i'm just gonna say this okay high prediction low prediction low prediction tracy zoom's in will be shown at the american cinematech in our lifetime before uh warren bd movie high prediction a clip from Tracy Zimzin, specifically this monologue

where he talks about existence, will be shown at the Academy Awards as part of the Chuck Workman montage. That's the guy who makes the montages. It's like the In Memoriam. I think they'll show it as part of the In Memoriam.

For him? For Warren? This will be like, it'll be the audio from it under a photo, like him and probably reds, which I've not seen or shampoo, but it'll be like, you have to be something.

You have to mean something. And they'll actually take the audio from Tracy zooms in. And there'll be like, people be like, what was that from? And the next day and vulture, they'll be like, weirdly,

that was from Tracy next day in vulture the people like weirdly that was from tracy zoom's end i think we should start pitching the new beverly theater is a repertoire theater in los angeles owned by quentin tarantino now we should pitch them a triple feature where i you know we we we don't even bother with something silly like the roger rabbit short that originally aired before the dick tracy movie but we showed the dick tracy movie the dick tracy special and then the dick tracy special conan uh colon tracy zooms in and we're also like one tracy special away from the beaver trilogy of tracy specials like just showing them like that it's a full film like uh right yeah yeah and then we don't have to show dick tracy the movie it'll never it only exists as prequel context for the far better way yeah bill and ted the show existed

and with people that did not know who bill and ted were as characters because they were young the only uh resistance we might get from the new beverly is i think they're exclusively 35 millimeter now so we might have to dig dig in our pockets and convert all these specials yeah we get the specials i feel like warren might what might be into that though he might yeah warren would be or yeah or we just set up a GoFundMe. GoFundMe to get the specials on 35. Put this shot

of a Zoom on a TV onto film. That would be the funniest way anyone's ever spent money. Criterion should release it. Let's get them to do it And then we'll be fine

We just need one more special Because right now it's an hour And we need it to be The length of a film So we need Tim to do one more So we need to just put How do we turn up the heat So there's one more

It's the lawyer I think it's the lawyers Or like Mike's got to talk to his dad We have to harass him I hate to say it But we have to harass Warren Beatty A man that Seems like a nice person And I don't want to bother We have to talk to his dad i hate to say it but we have to harass orin baby a man that

seems like a nice person and i don't want to bother we have to go to the polo lounge and harass him every day for the next year i gotta just start doing the beats of the episode of the simpsons where bart becomes the heir to mr burns's fortune i just gotta start hitting all those moments. Yes. Multiple channels, yeah. There's a couple ways to do it. Main thing is Jason get fitted for a smaller version of all of Warren Beatty's clothes.

Done, yeah. But specifically the Dick Tracy outfit. Mainly that, yes. How can he say no when a little Tracy shows up? Jason shows up at the polo lounge wearing a little little version of the dick tracy but acting like he doesn't know what he's wearing right right just like a casual thing yeah and when i say little i mean like little shorts for it it's like yellow shorts yeah yeah but just be like and then if he says something you're like oh this is

just my uh normal clothes yeah yeah i i was're like oh this is just my normal clothes yeah yeah I was in a rush this morning I just put on my usuals is Warren here? is Warren here today? no when Warren comes up to you you go like

you gaslight Warren and you act like you don't know who he is and like what he's talking about and you're like oh there's a movie that has this outfit in it I'll watch it sir and I'll come back next week uh do you work here sir are you the manager could i get a cob salad and a tall glass of milk thank you and then a week later you come

back you're like um is it uh warren hi i watched that movie you were in and it was fantastic pretty good yeah you know what i didn't like though the pink street but don't you think crime is a little more serious than that sir i need to know whether or not it pays and then meanwhile we're like we're getting the legal team to just like pick pick pick pick pick so we're doing both at once. It's like a long better call Saul Kahn type of a thing to gaslight someone, make them crazy, and destroy their mind. And then we can strike. Destroying the very sane mind of Warren Beatty.

Yeah. Completely together. It is apex. 85 years old. And all we want out of this is one more 30-minute special. Right. I should also say, you three are in the restaurant. You brought your own bush with you that you're hiding behind.

All three of you each have a laptop because you're emailing back and forth with these lawyers. We're texting the lawyers while you're doing the outfit con because we want him to get the email from the lawyers while while this like weird thing crosses happening with you in the outfit yeah you're you have sound on on all those computers so there's just a cacophony of dings so he's just going we're yeah we're just trying to drive the poor man mad this is getting to one additional special that's all yeah like and for it to exist like three years earlier than it might yeah that's all we're trying all right this is uh there's a book about that the year at the academy awards i think what bonnie and clive was not it was kind of like oh this is a big year this is kind of a big sea change of what was nominated and stuff

and i think we found the guy who wrote that book's next topic yes yes us yes very important mission uh uh these are great ideas crucial ideas and thanks for bringing them to us eva anderson you survived this emergency podcast ride. Thanks, you guys. Couldn't have done it without you. I'm so glad. Thanks for squeezing us in, given how hectic everything's been. And you're working all the time.

Thanks for making the time. Every time. Always. Oh, my God. I'm so happy. For doing your... I feel like this... What is this?

Is this your sixth second gate alone more maybe i think more of your episodes are on the second gate i don't talk about i don't talk about rides it's been a while i guess yeah um which is the way in our hearts there was a vanity fair article about we just talk about this right before? Oh, yeah, yeah. The Vanity Fair article about the Dick Tracy Zooms In special cited your podcast as proof that people care about these specials. It's been a fascination among comedy podcasters,

and then the link was to us. Well, link to one of your episodes even so we're all the american adventure where it came up because i probably he was probably jordan hoffman who wrote that article i was trying to link to a not paywalled episode oh yeah that's nice that's a good thing right shout out to jordan hoffman uh the best thank you jordan um well i and i guess i didn't realize how much we were associated with this. And I'm glad. I'm just glad that all of it, whoever it is, the myriad of, I think 80% of the audience of this special are podcasters. And I'm glad we all together rescued it.

Like, it might have just fallen into, like, a pop cultural gutter if not for that one day where everybody had to act. And we acted. Will Sloan acted. Chris Hainer acted. Someone put it on YouTube so I could watch it after I got off work. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. All that means I can cancel the five day trial of direct TV streaming that I, I have to keep

leapfrogging between live TV things so that I don't free trial attempts. Anyway, X to the gift shop. Anything you want to plug? My plug is watch the new season of Party Down coming out this week next week and my husband wrote it. It's his show and it's fucking awesome.

Oh yay. So happy to be back. Mainly we want to plug Dick Tracy special. Tracy zooms in. And previous oh yay so happy to be back yeah yeah we want mainly we want to plug dick tracy special tracy zooms in and previous special and previous special dick tracy movie dick tracy except a little libertine if you i mean watch it but only watch it and just and over it just say no no no no no no no um if you want to dig even deeper with us join us on our our new patreon tier club three where you get one more bonus episode every month and our regular episodes ad free including eva's last episode uh themed car washes with anderson this is a great excuse

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