Podcast: The Ride - Unlocked: Major Error In Clooney Briefcase Story

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

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FOREVER! DOG! 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Welcome to Podcast The Ride, the second gate, the PTR post office. And Mike could not hold in laughter for very long because something has happened. Look, this is going to start with an energy and you're going to understand why. Basically, I took this innocuous post office situation as an excuse to drop a bombshell on Mike and Jason. And the whole idea here was for the surprise of the bombshell being dropped to be what was compelling about what has just occurred.

And Mike, then what happened? So what happened was there was this big revelation that happened. And Jason and I were like, we were called into the principal's office for for this this was a big major thing that involves a big piece of ptr lore we were we were dissecting it already we were trying to like defend ourselves and i looked down and the zoom recorder that we used to record the podcast was not recording which felt like i maybe did it on purpose or i willed it i didn didn't want to hear our embarrassment live. So like I using like telekinesis turned the zoom recorder off and then I'm already getting, you know,

I'm already being told that, that, uh, something I've done is wrong. And then I looked down and I have to, I have to say, teacher, excuse me.

Apparently I wasn't recording the podcast. And I go, Oh God, interesting. Exactly. But how would I have done it? i didn't just like put my toe on it so so this basically by sheer serendipity that part wasn't recorded so we don't hear uh jason and i learning for the first time that a thing we did was wrong wow wow so we're well we're just gonna have to recreate the moment and the only thing that maybe

improves it is that now I'm coming in with even more rage than before where I drop all of this and then there's this you are recording and then there was this fumbling with the mic stand that was like a silent film routine.

There was a part it was tipping over. It wasn't balanced. And then a part where your mic went limp. It flopped over and made a sound like pew! It was like a visual metaphor for a limp dick occurred.

It is. Yes. It's been an insane last couple minutes. Yeah. Well, I am going to say I am going to be like have my guard up from now on.

If we ever do an episode where it's like, maybe it's not the most exciting e-ticket. Because Scott has got me like twice now, I feel like. You mean because of the minotaur? We've got to do the Today Show Cafe. We've got to do the PTR. You know what I think is a post-diamond? You know what I think is Today Show would be good. And then I've got these little secrets.

Sounds good, my man. Other stuff I'm dealing with right now so that sounds easy breezy for me we call that we did yeah that was good that was one of the things that I wish we had earlier when you were like oh no I'm sick I can't hear this Scott and you started pretending to cough so that's's gone. We also missed that. It's ironic because I just came from an ophthalmologist appointment. They're like, hey, Vizsyn, yeah, yours is totally healthy, perfectly fine. This guy's got great eyes. See you in six months. Well, there you go.

Well, then everything's fine then, isn't it? So this is a perfect scenario in which to now, for the second time, drop a bomb and the surprise will be gone, but it'll still be a surprise to the listener. We'll leave a gap for them to gasp, as I'm sure that they will. What I said the first time around is that we've been culling from the Patreon comments, but we also have an email address. PodcastsTheRightAtGmail.com. And we haven't mentioned this maybe in a while but people know it exists and now i'm thinking this is a great place for long form content corrections uh being dragged through

the coals or whatever that phrase is dragged over the coals dragged over the coals yes raked over the coals raked yes yeah get ready for an auditory rake that is what's coming and you know this is probably is not the tone that was intended by the person who sent it, Graham Southwood. However, he did give his email a headline, a subject line that could not be ignored. This was some clickbait. Yeah. Because I could not help but dive in on this because this was the subject line. Major error in Clouny briefcase

story major error in cluny briefcase story and uh i i dive in i wonder is this uh is this guy grasping for straws what is this going to be uh but i have to say uh i i believe every word of what i'm about to read. Quote Graham. Hello. My wife and I are huge fans of the show and love listening every week. I am also one of the likely few people who knew the infamous briefcase story before hearing it on the podcast. I had read the initial article, so I thought it was quite funny it was being brought up on PTR. However, you have one major error when telling the story on the podcast the actual clooney briefcase story is not that he gave the one million dollar briefcases with the proceeds from selling casamigos but rather with the payday from gravity yeah 2013 feature film gravity this does track says graham because why

would he give randy gerber one million dollars when he also made the insane bank on the Casamigos sale? Good point, Graham. He also says, thanks for all the entertainment. Another good point, Graham. Signed, Graham. Well, it's a good sign that Graham was still listening after this error had been made. I'll say that. That he's not resigning as a listener?

Yeah, he didn't. Which I would not blame anyone for doing. No, if they want to just throw their phones out their car windows in disgust, I would understand. But he hasn't. That's good. That's a good sign, at least. That makes me feel okay. Yes, yes.

And at first, I wondered, who is this Graham? Who is this Graham to come at the world's foremost Randy Gerber experts, Mike and Jason? You hired a private investigator who followed Graham around for a few weeks to make sure he was somebody who was on the level who would actually check. Story checks out. Seems like a good guy. We have a guy on retainer, like most podcasts. Oh, you have to.

He is a total dirtbag. His life is constantly falling apart. So we're like, okay. He is a total dirtbag. His life is constantly falling apart. So we're like, okay, this is a good private eye. We had a different private eye run a check on him to make sure that he was a mess because that would be the best guy to be our private

eye. Anyway, I did do my due diligence on what Graham has dropped and I have to say, I think that this is completely accurate. And at this point, I repeat some of what I said the last time we recorded it. And it's still recording. I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it.

It better be. We're four years deep into the presence of this story on our podcast. We have been haunted by this tale for four years now for a full presidential administration. That's right. And this entire time, there has been a glaring error. Now, Mike, in the previous recording, you tried to shift blame from yourself and put it squarely on Jason. However, I have a feeling Graham sent this email because we just told the story again, thanks to Griffin in the Orlando live show that came out not long ago. And, you know, in that one, Mike, you are the person who repeats what we have now found to be a falsehood.

That's true. And I've certainly been spreading the lie. But there is no doubt in my mind that I learned the lie from Jason. Jason is the one who lied. I learned it from you. Because as we've talked about on the show before, I was just very interested in Randy Gerber, the man. Not the story

necessarily. Jason is the one who brought the story element into the podcast and then I adopted the story as my own story as well after that. Loved it like a son. To bond with Jason also too. Just because we're good friends and like we were sort of bonding over the story, we both met sort of in the middle, like a friendship necklace or the heart necklace that bonds together.

I knew this about Randy and Kaia Gerber. Two little hearts that came together. Yes. That's how this feels. That's right. And then Jason had the briefcase story because it's the biggest fantasy of his life that a friend of his just gives him a million dollars for free. This is what he's been hoping. Taxes dollars for free. This is what he's been hoping.

Taxes paid, baby. This is what he's been. I do think if this happened to Jason, if you were one of the 14, you would be excited. And then you'd say like, taxes though. I'm assuming someone was like, oh, fuck. Like 100,000 gone. 200,000 gone. So I certainly retold the wrong story a couple weeks ago in Orlando, but the origin of the

wrong story is this man sitting next to me on the left. And I chalk it up to being apocryphal or conventional wisdom, whatever you call it. Like most stories recapped on podcasts. What does that mean? Huh? What do you mean it's apocryphal? Oh, like I was kind of like, oh, I heard it somewhere

and it was kind of an anecdote and then I kind of like hate remembered it. That's a good point. I read the People Magazine article about it where they talk about walking up the driveway

or something. This is a very good point. I'll come back to you, Mike. Sorry, sorry. But that's a good point because the first you brought it up, it is not as if this was some researched situation.

You were just dying to tell the story to Nick Mundy, who then unplugged our microphones and left the apartment. Yes. That was the first way this played out. And then it was told again because it had to come out of your brain. However, where I begin to take umbrage with both of you is, okay, that's all 2019 cut to 2020 the one time i'm not here for an episode right and you guys spring a surprise one called casamigos

tequila in which there is preparation in which articles have been read and studied i've already had to provide one rebuttal for this episode and now I find myself doing a second. This was the chance that the facts could have been caught and corrected. Well, a lot of that episode was focused on making sure the local city bike installation did have two available that we could sit on and get a picture at. You can pat your belly and rub your head at the same time. Can you not? That's true. You can do all of these things at once.

That's true. You know, and it makes, here's what's interesting about that. Now it would make sense that in all of the Casamigos articles I read, that story doesn't come up because it has to do with gravity it has nothing to do with casamigo let me do a little bit of now let me go into what i i have learned uh um okay because i went back i uh i i had to go back it's crazy how many times i've now had to consult the episode casamigo's tequila uh there is a there is a part in which jason says the date uh the date in which the briefcases were exchanged okay september 20 jason says september 20th 2013 then you both go on to say this is a date that will live in infamy. So I go to look this up and I find that Jason got the date wrong,

but only by a week. Only by a week, so not so bad. That's not bad. Not so bad. Just saying while we're bringing things up. That's just kind of the level of facts that we're dealing with here. September 27th, 2013.

And the dates, this is really where the smoke and gun lies because the timeline here 2013 was when casamigos was founded there was no money the two of them were in the fields rolling up their sleeves planting the agave harvesting the agave i don't know what they were doing with the guys who were doing it something pouring, pouring, getting bottles of the first batch, pouring it into copper cups, like in the commercial. The authentic

commercial. They were busy with copper cups. They had to pay for those cups themselves at that time. There was no money for people to get million dollar cases. It was not until June 2017 that liquor conglomerate Diageo purchased Casamigos to this insane degree of $700 million.

So it's all been right there. The dates, you know, further details about this story came out not until 2020, until after that episode occurred, your guy's episode. But all of these facts were out there, the date of the sale and the date of the case exchange. And I don't know. It was all there in front of you at all times. That's really fascinating now that you knew the date of the briefcase story, but the details weren't.

That's interesting to me, isn't it? Well, that means whatever source I pulled that date from was wrong. Well, that's interesting to me isn't it well that means i whatever source i pulled that date from well that's what i'm wondering did you go to a source that was wrong because well let me say this but i saw so many articles that said september 27th 2013 this is that that date is out there a ton i don't doubt that you could have pulled it from the wrong one but this date gets underlined because it's the exact same date that one year later he marries Amal. So there is some significance to the date.

Briefcase date is the same as the Amal date. So if you pulled it from an article, this article was wrong on two counts. Wow. Maybe I was just amazed at their glamour and beauty together as a globetrotting couple. Did we even say the word Amal? Did we say the name amal on you sure did it does come up yes this fact is said that one year later on that day we do say

that yes does jason say it or do i say it uh jason says it okay so you were in an article about this this is interesting to me i'm in a mall well no i'm just saying you were in an article you were reading an article you were reading one of the articles scott said probably must have had some portion of this information right you would have to think now the amal timeline is important here because he is not married at this point right and you know uh when you make that when you come into a big financial windfall and then want to start giving briefcases of money to people the first on your list might be your wife right but he doesn't have a wife at this time this is why i think it's an important part of the story because where he is in his life where he's still

technically single he's not too uh he's not in too deep with a mall yeah it this puts him at a place where he's like well i'm getting all of this gravity money which is it was by the way percentages of the movie because they thought his quote george they thought it was, by the way, percentages of the movie, because they thought his, quote George, they thought it was going to be a flop. Right. And that ended up being a very good deal. Was it like 60 million he got? So this is why he thought of his buds, his boys, instead of his own wife.

Right. Was it like 60 million? Did it say in an article what it was? I don't know the full extent of the gravity money. It was like that big of a number, I think, in the zone or higher or whatever. I guess I should have looked that up because I'm now dealing with money and details here when did he stop dating wwe diva stacy kiebler that's my question was he out of that kiebler relationship was there ever a time when kiebler might have been eligible for a million dollars that's what i'm wondering now too because if it's earlier than

that then she probably they probably stopped dating i'm guessing but i would like to know now just to know timeline wise we should just we need to know more i think at this point just to make sure we don't ever back into a wrong fact again right okay so clooney and stacy kubler split in july 8th july 8th 2013 whoa so this is important information then this is this this shows you the dramatic nature of his life yeah that he he really is thinking about friends friends are what are most important to him at this time i don't want to say the crazy summer of 2013 i don't want to say the phrase bros before jason could say it but i can't but that's what he's thinking That's an appropriate way To talk about people

Oh okay Excuse me Bros before Casamigos Is what you were Heading for Right I'll say it

Why not So yeah Wow Clooney Keebler split That's fascinating E-news anatomy Of a split

Wow Clooney Stacey Keebler Wow well we're doing Anatomy of a story Right now And anatomy of a split Is now an important part of it.

I think what this has all shed a light on is that other than the presence of both Clooney and Gerber, the briefcase's story is unrelated to Casamigos. I mean, it's part of the fabric. If you made a movie about it, you know, it would be in the background. Right. But I think that you could not willingly call this the Casamigos briefcase story. No. That's something that's out at this point.

If all this is accurate, no, there's no Casamigos relation at all, other than Randy being there. Did we say on any of these podcasts specifically that Randy got a million dollars? Yes, because I've heard it so many times an important part of it is that he had to take the million dollars or nobody got the million dollars so he took it i thought everyone took it or else everyone that had to take it yeah okay yeah but including him right he said i don't want the million dollars i am very wealthy from my wife and whatever awful family I'm in. He has two brothers

and they all do restaurant stuff. Yeah. So he doesn't need that million dollars, but George insists. Yeah. And then he, actually this comes up in Graham's email that he says,

that he, all right, if Randy doesn't take it, nobody gets it. Randy made a point to say he donated it all to charity. And who am I to question the legendary Randy Gerber? My wife says he came off pretty well in the supermodel documentary with Cindy Crawford.

But I would be interested to see that tax return for the year. We'll get working on that, Graham. We'll dive into Gerber's taxes. I have pictures of Casamigos being served at Kate Bosworth's birthday, Paris Hilton's birthday, with Vin Diesel in the Bloodshot premiere. Does that have anything to do with the article you were looking for? Oh, I'm looking at my notes from 2020. You pulled up your notes from the episode.

Wait a minute. So in the notes, do you have the date? What does it say? There's actually no dates in these notes. Where would you have found the date then? No, the only date specifically mentioned is that Casamigos was bought by Diageo for $700 million in 2017. 2017.

It was right there. It was in your notes. This has been in front of us at all times. Wow. Is it an important part of the story? I don't know. But I think it's important to bring up because this story is clearly going to be a presence on this podcast and in our lives until the podcast or we die. I think this is great because you're right.

This podcast story will be told again, again and again and again. I forgot Omega Watch has collaborated with Casamigos for an exclusive Seamaster Planet Ocean watch. Because it'll be good to tell the story now. It'll feel good to tell it, I think, going forward. You can tell it guilt-free. It won't be resting on a lie. It's

because now we know where the character of George was at. Thinking about his friends, his heart, and tatters on the ground. I think it improves the story. It ups the stakes in the drama. Yes, it does. I think that, okay, it's now it's the gravity story, I suppose.

It is unrelated to Casamigos. Well, I think you could still call it, you know, you could just put Clooney first and foremost in it. I'll say this, though. Here's William H. Macy and Felicity Huffman toasting Casamica. I was like, aha, we got her into college. Here's what I'll say though. My anxiousness to do this, to rake

you guys over the coals has now led to the nightmare of getting bonus content from an episode from four years ago I had to do a rebuttal for already. September 2020 mentally healthy healthy all of us at that point here's what i'll say about this though the way the story has been told yes some of the facts may be inaccurate but the spirit of the story remains the same a generous man wanting

to reward his buds with some free cash a generous spirit of george clooney and sort of the terms of the deal all of that is still intact which is i'm happy about that because if you were like actually what happened was it was the money from gravity and also he didn't give them money everybody opened up the briefcase and it got they got shot in the face like the slime that katie perry gif of katie perry at the nick awards and she gets hit in the face with slime really hard. Wow. If that was the story, then I would really feel bad. He wouldn't be a very good friend then at all, would he be?

Right. Well, but just Richard Kine got the slime. He got the million dollars for his briefcase. That was in the cut part. We talked about Richard Kine being one of the guys. Can I ask a quick question? This is a little bit of a side note. Jason, of all the people you met when we met in 2009

or whatever at UCB, was there anyone you pegged for your million dollar sugar daddy of all the friends? I mean, clearly you. I mean, we've been banging this drum for so long, old boy. We're trying still. You're still hoping maybe. Still hoping, yeah.

That one day, that Mike scores a big payday and that like a gravity size it's hopefully it's gravity sized it's big enough that you it the it can initially go to uh mike's wife and child if he's like not wanting to look out for his buds maybe his parents or sister get something but if mike's got his priorities right then then a million goes straight into Jason's coffers. Yeah. So I think in that scenario, it's just I have a big kitchen table and it's only you at the table. And you're at the other end.

And then you open up the briefcase and I go, here it is. A million dollars. And you go, taxes? Taxes? And then I go, yeah, taxes too. Taxes too. Of course. I did it for you only, taxes? Taxes? And then I go, yep, taxes too. Of course. I did it for you only, not for my daughter. She's going to have to pay the taxes.

I'm still above her in the will, right? You forgot to revise that? Yeah. We should add a million dollar briefcase tier to the Patreon. Just for Jason. If anyone is ultra wealthy and they want to give Jasonason a million dollars tax-free you can subscribe we could add it i mean it's five it's eight and it's one million

and also the taxes it has to be the taxes yeah yeah it's gotta be it has to haunt you because yeah that's there's a lot of taxes a lot of taxes for a million bucks uh mike you're right that the story the spirit of the story has always been told. However, there's a slippery slope here, right? Because there's all of these stories that have attached themselves like barnacles to the hull of this podcast. One of them being, I think we've questioned some inaccuracies, maybe in the famous Hemisphere Dancer story. Yes. We're going to get into that at

some point and then of course the real predecessor to what we're doing right now frank marshall gate where you you made a very similar argument which is well the spirit because frank spirit was there even though he did not speak right and the main thing was you yelling at us because we didn't remember the speech so i that i don't this thing, I think it does apply with Clooney, but if we start hiding in that spirit argument, we're never going to get out of there. Then any falsehood is allowed. Sort of joie de vivre you can only get through the magic of podcasting.

How much mass media do you get this? Podcasting, what you're saying, and I don't know what you're saying, but if what you're saying... Me neither, brother. I understand it now. If what you're saying... Sort of, I don't know what you're saying but if what you're saying but i'm gonna guess i'm gonna take a guess here if what you're saying is that podcasts are more about vibes than facts then i'm with you i hear what you're saying and i agree you know it doesn't necessarily it's just the feeling the spirit of frank being there at the opening of jurassic world is what i was riding high on and i was excitedly trying to say don't you remember frank was there yeah words he said

okay yes i got that part wrong but he we were in his presence we were breathing his air i just think and now we're arguing this again it would certainly help me to have remembered him being there at all if one thing that might stand out in my memory is if he said two words on a microphone. He didn't, but his aura was strong. That's the thing I'm saying here. We've already been through that. We didn't even have eyes on it. We were blocked. We couldn't even see this.

I had eyes on it, but maybe it's because I'm 6'3". I'm a 6'3 guy. I can't find one way that you being tall gets you out of this situation right now. It doesn't. And I have to apologize to the audience. And I'll apologize to the audience for one other thing, too, because I am a man who does things like this.

Apologize, that is. I believe I called Michael Meldman, the silent partner in Casamigos, Michael Melman on the live show in Florida. So I apologize for that. His name is Michael Meldman. There's a D in there. And I said Melman. Okay. And I remember listening back to it and going, I think that's wrong. show in florida so i apologize for that his name is michael meldman there's a d in there and i said melman okay and i remember listening back to it and going i think that's wrong and yes it is wrong so i apologize people who've been hanging on that for that as well i need to do you know like we all

need to hold ourselves to a higher standard uh i tried to get ahead of this uh uh i've addressed this online but i haven't done it on the show. I have thrown out what I've realized is false, that the revolving restaurant at the Land Pavilion stopped revolving at some point. I don't know where that entered my head.

That is a fair thing for listeners to say. I think I've said it to somebody, and it's because of you in the same way that Jason poisoned my brain. You poisoned my brain about the revolving restaurant.

Then you know what? You're right. I'm also a man. I will withstand the points that you're doing right now, and you're right. That was saying of falsehood. I don't know if I can pin it on that maybe I was there once when it was not revolving for an extended period of time,

but I've definitely, unfairly, put that into a pile of things that are cruddy about that pavilion. Right. And I've caused that to reflect poorly on this ride, and I have to take that out of the argument. That's not fair. I'm not being fair to the ride, and I'll admit it. Thank you. That does make it.

Thank you for the audience. I don't need the thing. I don't need the apology. It's not for me. It's for the audience. I'm too. I don't need it. And I thank the audience for not being that mean about it. There's a way to do these things.

That's not what I'm doing. I'm being quite mean to you, but that's okay. I'm comfortable with it. I'm a man. And I just want the audience to know that the Wall Street Journal once described Michael Mellman as- Meldman. Meldman.

Meldman. He just said it. Meldman. Meldman, you just said it. Meldman. They call him Real Estate's Party Boy. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. You said that in the episode. It's been so long ago. It's a good refresher.

But Mike only said Meldman and did a whole thing about it less than five minutes ago. He was busy reading his phone i was just thinking about partying with meldman i got too excited i don't know i've told the meldman story that a friend of ours on the show that was told in the other one it was told on the other one we don't need to tell that one again we don't need to tell that one again okay you know why we don't need to tell it? Because I'm not done.

I'm not done here at all. And if you guys still think this is a mailbag episode, you've got another thing coming. Okay, okay. Because here's what I started thinking. Are we going to use those questions eventually? Oh, yeah. So we will. We will. I'm sorry you were part of a ruse, but we will get to the questions.

I can handle it. I'm a man. Okay. I started thinking if the source of the money in the story was false what else about this tale might be false what would now how would we describe the story what is like the the if you had to sum up the story with a title what's the title of the story when you the other day when we finish recording we're like oh should i i don't want to be a little greedy can we get one more recording and did you already have this of course you did that was a little show what do you what

do you think i what do you think jason i mean i do want to talk about that parade it seems fun uh we're gonna get to that we have to we cannot move forward on anything some great any future plans we're gonna do the questions. We'll be doing the questions. I guess you would say, like, it's the briefcase story. Were there no briefcases? Is that what you're about to reveal here? Well, for the answer to that one, we turn to something that in all of the discussion of this has never actually been consulted.

That is the video clip in which this story was first told on a MSNBC show from 2017 called Headliners. This presumably was an episode about George Clooney. They get into the generosity of George Clooney and they talk to Randy Gerber. And I believe for the first time now ever on the show, we're going to actually hear the voice of Randy Gerber. Oh my God. It's like hearing God speak. It's like hearing God speak. It's hearing,

it's so emotional. Sitting in front of each of us on the table is a black, like to me bag. It's a to me bag. You know, luggage. You know,

luggage, luggage. Guys, this has never, shut up. This has never been a briefcase story this entire time. It is a suitcase story.

Even the title of the story has always been wrong. Wow. It's a suitcase full of money. It is a suitcase. Now, I did some double checking on this as well. And, okay, Toomey does make briefcases. This is a high-end bag. And you know what?

This actually adds to the generosity of cluny that in addition people are getting these nice bags so i was like let me give some benefit of the doubt they do make briefcases that is true however several times gerber keeps talking and he said he quotes george in that moment and he says so i want you all to open your suitcases and also an important part of the story that hasn't been discussed yet either uh the denominations the million dollars was given out in 20s this is from gerber himself 20 dollar bills not 100 dollar bills did we say hundreds i don't think this has ever come up i don't think that's never been said this is not a correction i mean that's the most considerate denomination i feel like

20s or 20s they're convenient you can use them kind of anywhere well they're convenient and you're right in one way that like then you've yeah yeah they don't have to get checked like like 100 but then it's it is odd that now people have to carry out of this affair what what i've now determined are quite sizable bags. Well, you gotta fill the bag. If you use hundreds bags, it's not gonna be filled all the way. It's not gonna make a good presentation.

This makes a lot of sense because it reminds me now of the bags they carry out in Ocean's Eleven where they're looting the vault. There's the big black sort of duffel bag kind of thing. So maybe he got the idea

from his own film? So it's possible he got the same bag. I don't know if they're Lumi bags in Ocean's Eleven. To me. To me. Let's fix those future corrections. Meldman, to me. Meldman and to me.

You don't even got, you're like me, you're more of a travel pro, man. You're not paying the extra for it. What's travel pro? Oh, travel pro is a great luggage company that a lot of flight attendants use, but they have very good warranties. Oh, okay. And they hold up. They take

a real... Do you have some? I got a few, yeah. Wow, okay. That's who makes the actual luggage, you're saying? Yeah, it's if you ever see a flight attendant pulling a roller bag or a duffel bag that's got a little Eiffel Tower on it, that's a Travel Pro. Okay. Wow. Huh. Huh.

So, file that away, Mike, when you give the money to Jason in the future, put it in a travel pro. Put it on travel pro and make sure to register the warranty or I'll do it. I think you can register the warranty, can't you? Oh, I just forget. I do it. Taxes? One more thing, did you register the warranty?

You do the taxes, I'll do the warranty. Here's what I, in order to make sure that I knew for sure that these were not to me briefcases, which they did make, I did some math. The money came in 20s. Now we know that, which does add to the impressiveness of the display. That's a lot. A $20 bill weighs one gram. $1 million divided by 20 is 50,000. So that's how many bills we're dealing with here.

50,000 each at one gram. So that's 50,000 grams. You convert that to pounds. We're dealing with 110 pounds worth of cash. Wow. Yeah. So this is massive. No briefcase in the world is going to be able to hold 110 pounds worth of cash.

Thus, this is a suitcase story. It's a giant suitcase. Or is it a regular suitcase, do we think? Do they make oversized luggage? I don't think there's anything regular about Toomey. I think that's a pretty sturdy suitcase. High quality. The highest you're going to find on the market, other than Travel Pro.

Well, okay. That sounds kind of like the prankster Clooney, where it's like, well, now you got to carry it out of here, my guys. Because of 100 pounds? 100 pounds, yeah. Yeah, now it's got wheels, doesn't it? This is what I'm thinking. I don't know the type of bag.

This is, again, something else that we can look into. I can only imagine that these are rolling suitcases and they had to be in order to make it comfortable for everyone involved. Even getting them off the table would be hard. I mean, like, Randy can carry this. He can carry it. Obviously, he's a good-shaped guy. Yeah, he's jacked.

You seen him on that bike? Yeah. He's jacked, and he can, you know. But everybody else, like... We don't know what Waldo Sanchez looks like. We don't know what he can bench. Did Richard Kind have trouble? Did he struggle with the 100?

I don't know. It seemed to be awkward, like, size and weight. I don't know. Yeah, possibly. I don't want to put it down. Maybe he was fine. I don't know. He don't want to put it down. Maybe it was fine. I don't know. You did it okay.

You've brought up another thing, and I'm sorry I've downplayed it because I had an order in my head for how to do these things. Yeah. Another thing. In all this time, and I don't know if this came up in the 2020 episode. Yeah. The whole time, Richard Kind was one of them? This has been a loop. I certainly did not know this one.

Did you, Mike? I assumed. I was assuming it because I know about all the good times they had back in the old days when they were struggling actors. And Richard Kind was with Clooney, I believe, at the Sphere recently. Oh. So, like, they're still buddies. Okay.

So, I think I was just assuming it, but I don't know that we've ever said it out loud. It doesn't feel familiar to me. Yeah. And this is another thing that I'm hung up on because in the effort to make this story interesting, that's been the main premise. You're saying that would have been the big thing. George Clooney gave a million dollars in a suitcase to Richard Kind and 13 other people? Oh, I'm interested.

Richard Kind is a beloved character actor you're right i don't know they would be interesting to see if we had ever brought that part of it up um but maybe yeah maybe i don't think have how many times have i told the story on this do we know how many times i've told it versus how many times jason's told it i don't know i think it's i mean in the live show it was kind of like a uh it was a up. You kind of tag teamed it. That's sort of always how it's been. I would love to hear if the story changed at all from story one to Orlando. Did we add anything fake to it in the same way that a game of telephone? You think this could be like a Mighty Akron sort of thing?

Well, Mighty Akron is just a way to describe a beautiful creature that i came up with i created now it's in this is more of just what you were talking about uh joie de vivre or something of a podcast where like something changes over the course uh something special i believe is joy of living you know i still i still i think what you're trying i think what you're trying to say is that The podcast has a certain Moulin Rouge if you will And stuff gets Fanciful when you're talking on microphones

You say things you go on flights of fancy And you maybe exaggerate Or you misremember and then all of a sudden A big Black suitcase made by Toomey is no longer that. It's morphed now into a briefcase full of $100 bills.

And Richard Kind is nowhere to be found. This, I think, has been the biggest thing neglected. Now, I think I care less about the inaccuracies and more about the absence of Richard Kind this entire entire time what a funny person for it to be i don't know i'm not like you i'm not looking at who's in the sphere crowd every night yeah i don't i don't know that they're friends i don't think i knew that you didn't know they were friends at all i did not know they were like apartment like they live together i believe together yeah they made like that now because they made a tv pilot together but yeah when he talks about the whole thing with the story is like the people who

let me crash on their floor that's richard kind is absolutely one of them right and i think it's also weird because this is a guy with so many connection points to us to the podcast he's bing bong yeah bing bong who's in hell now something that's been said many times he's the host of the california adventure opening special with barry bostwick are you gonna tell us that bing bong isn't in hell is that what something you've learned point number four no he's in heaven here is surveillance footage from heaven no and also you kind of forget this one this is clifford's dad yeah clifford's dad is one of the this is. This is Clifford's dad. Yeah. Clifford's dad is one of the, this is like a tie together of things from this show that's crazy to me.

Clifford's dad got one of the suitcases of a million dollars. I've heard, okay, I'm looking at some Clooney kind stuff and I do remember this story. Clooney reveals that he once pranked close friend Richard Kind by defecating in his pet cat's litter tray. Jesus. So Clooney took a big shit in Richard Kind's cat's litter box. I feel like I regard that less as a prank and more as an aggressive act. Very foul thing to do. Aggressive act of meanness.

I don't know. Look, don't do that at my litter box just because I did all this today. And I promise I won't shit anywhere you don't want either i just texted jason he said warm up jason we have payback on our minds then we start some episode that's about like here's the all right it's the world according to goofy parade episode uh scott actually maybe go check your litter box i think oh god it's clearly your shit and not a cat i think it's different jason mike here's what i'm thinking off the top of my head we fool you into thinking we're doing pirates of the caribbean week and each episode

starts with one of us taking a big shit in one of your cats like areas litter boxes and you get fooled each time you think all right well we're really doing starting pirates week now and then oh nope jason shit in the box again but we're going to continue our exploration of richard kine's career is that yeah yeah that seems like a likely thing that we do with this especially now yeah it's it's a surprise shit. And then it's like, well, while you're here, tell me about the errors of kind. It's kind week.

We are still recording, right? I have to check on that, too. No, we are recording, yes. I don't know what to think now. Now that you've got Clooney's prankster brain going. I know. I feel the spirit of Clooney. But here's another thing I'm going to bring up.

I'm still not done. Wow. I could not believe how far this rabbit hole went for me. Because still the spirit, I will say this, the spirit of the story remains thus far. Thus far, we're still in the zone. I think I can't argue with you on the spirit thing. And also, we're getting clearly further and further away from my initial premise that the story is not interesting enough i was

let me go back to this though yeah i think some of my confusion the first time it was told was the the that it was tangled up with casamigos because i first thought that what it was was they sold the company and then all the investors in the company got a million dollars and i was like i don't care about that that sucks that we That sucks. That, we didn't say that. Jason didn't say that, I don't think. I don't think that. That might be my own thing I was applying to it, much more than another game of telephone type thing.

You have to know the reason he knows this story is because of the fantasy. That's what he was holding on to. The friend aspect was important. So I do not believe this man would say investors versus friend. I don't believe it. Yeah, investors get paid through the proper channels. That would have gone in one ear out the other if it was investors. He might have been mad at it.

These fat cats, fuck them. They have enough money. Oh, a friend got a million dollars. A guy he met in improv 2009, that would be sticking. Anyway, that's my own thing that I was adding to. But I have been tangled up in that the whole time. And then that's my own thing that I was adding to, but I have been tangled up in that the whole time. And then Randy Gerber

got a million dollars. Yeah, they sold the company. This has been, I get it now. I do understand what's interesting about friends getting a million dollars

out of nowhere. And obviously, I wouldn't talk about any of this if it wasn't. That part was in there, but you're right. You have made it. Richard,

really highlighting, underlining Richard Kind makes the story better. You're right about that, for sure. It's like a massive detail has been gone. It is interesting that it's not a briefcase, because the briefcase seems like movie style. It does seem a little bit impractical, because obviously it wouldn't fit the bills. I have an image. You understand that. We've all seen something where a briefcase opens and there's a ton of money yeah it's pretty

unfamiliar imagery to think of a high-end rolling suitcase right you're right being put onto a table that everybody had to go lift them there was like a heist involved in this by the way also in further details that came out in a GQ interview with Clooney in 2020, that to do this, he still had to keep it secret from his friends. So it was a heist situation. So he rented a van that said florist on it. Really? Like the way FBI guys would hide if they were monitoring somebody. Yeah.

Again, I have to admit, we're getting interesting here. And he had to go find a weird... He had the question like where do i get 14 million dollars in 20 bills and he just said i found a place and he had to go there with security guards who he says were shitting themselves and they all had to handle this covert operation of putting it was to look like they were stealing money they were they shitting themselves in richard kine's litter box because they may as well have used it for for a good reason for a good prank hollywood liberals are pushing for litter boxes and classrooms it sounds like kind on the box it sounds like a

grand theft auto mission with george clooney i mean that should be in a video that is a part that makes yeah I mean obviously like even in the briefcase scenario there had to be some sort of weird like Brinks truck style situation even if the bills were higher higher denomination maybe less it is like that that switch from 20 from hundreds to 20s grows the proportion of the money by five times that is how much bigger of an operation it becomes. That is so impractical too. That feels to me like he really wanted to make a statement

about the bills. He wanted to make a big show of it more so than what hundreds would have been. Well, he's a showman. He has that je ne sais quoi. He has that je ne sais quoi that we talk about on this show a lot. I want to know now, yeah,

what the gravity payday was because I think both him and Sandra Bullock both made some insane amount of money because Gravity was a massive hit. I didn't know it was such a big hit. Yeah. It was a pretty huge movie and the kind of movie you had to see

before, well, it was after one Avatar, but before another, but you wanted to see that in the highest quality, so you're paying a lot of money to see it, maybe. That's what, see, I never hunted it down on DVD or whatever, because people were like, oh, you can't see it in theaters, don't bother. Oh, so you never saw it. I never saw it.

Oh, so that's the problem. Jace never saw Gravity, so he wasn't even thinking about it. Oh, I would have come out of that thing going, like, what a moving picture. And imagine the payday. That's what I'm saying. You would have said, this is a dynamite picture. This is a dynamite. Then you would have been reading the trades

and you would have been tracking it and you would have remembered, oh, look how much money they made. Because they made, they had like a better deal than like Nicholson had on Batman, which was a very like. Oh, it was better than that?

Which is like the, that was like a Guinness Book of World Records situation. Yeah, don't quote me that that was better. But Nicholson made a lot of money on Batman because he took points. Right, right. He may be like... I don't know if he invented it,

but he was a very early person to do that. Yes, they were giving... Or Brando turned down points on something, I feel like. They offered him points on either Godfather or Superman or something. And then he took the money because he was broke, I believe. And then he didn't get any of the big payday. Oh, bummer.

But yeah, Jason would have come out of Gravity like, wow, what a film. I hope this thing does bang up. Bofo. Box office. And boy, I'll tell you, if this guy doesn't end up with $14 million that he can give to his friends for no reason, then this industry is broken. Wow. Yeah.

Okay. So now that we've started to identify who these people, one is the guy, I think the name is Grant Heslov, his producing partner. One is Richard Kind. One is Randy Gerber, obviously. There's a question as to who the rest of the 14 are. And there's articles that are confident about this but i don't know if i really trust them and part of it is because i'm so freaked out by one of the people that i'm looking at in this photo i'm gonna hand this to you mike

do you see anybody who is familiar to you and keeping now we're in the territory again and getting me into this story now we're in the territory of people I like. My God, it's the Boston Strangler. Yeah, my hero. The BTK killer behind him. First of all, one of the guys looks like Jeffrey Epstein. Possibly. Yeah, that's, again, my hero, all the guys I like.

I'm not saying that was one of the guys you like. I'm just saying the first guy I look at looks exactly like maybe like a 10 years older jeffrey epstein he needs that money for plane fuel yeah so it's not i don't believe it's him but he really looks like him okay but i know what you're i know exactly my eyes go right to the man he doesn't have as big a hair as i'm normally used to seeing him down for a wedding this is a photo from cluny's wedding but you know who i'm talking about you're talking about steve lucather steve lucather steve lucather this also this whole time potentially one of the brief suitcase owners i gotta get my mic is one of the musicians i love the most yeah talk about the most i've weirdly named you for no reason other than that it makes me happy to talk about steve lucather founding member of toto about it. Steve Lukather, founding member of Toto.

He played every, he's a member of Ringo's All-Star Band, which we saw together. He is, among many things, the guitar solo on Olivia Newton-John's physical. He plays every lick of guitar on Beat It besides the Eddie Van Halen solo. This is a legend, played on 100 things everybody knows. I'm specifically a big fan of this guy, and I'm looking at this photo like, he's one of the... So you think that's for sure the 14?

I don't know. I think it is speculation on the part of several media outlets that this photo is the 14. It contains some of the 14, but i don't know she's 14 that's what they're talking about doing too is another sequel because you've got you've already okay you got lucather he can bust some guitar solos in it you've got richard kind who of course is going to deliver you've got the most charismatic man on the planet, Randy Gerber. Yeah. Just the sex personified. Yeah. A guy.

Take a seat, George. You're number two in this film. I don't want to be in the frame with him. I'm never, he's my best friend, but I don't ever want to be in the frame with him. It's George's day. I'm going to step away, you know. I'll just break the cameras with my shine. Here's what I, it then occurred to me that like i did know some connection

between lucather and clooney because i've read this man's book the gospel according to luke my my bible your bible to me um and he tells a story in that book this is where i question like is this one of his boys or did they just know each other and he was at the wedding? Yeah. Because this isn't going to make you think this is one of his boys. A story that he tells is that they were at some other wedding together in the 80s and Lukather is pretty drunk. He's pretty fucked up. Sure. And he has hit it off with a model at the wedding. Somebody who he says is one of the models or dancers in the Van Halen Hot for Teacher video.

And they want to get, they're like, let's get home and get down to business. Let's go do stuff. And they're like, but we can't. We're too drunk to drive. George, would you mind? And a sober Clooney drove them home from this wedding. But they were so aggressively horny that they just started having sex in the back of clooney's car and he had to drown it out by blasting the one tape or cd he had which was

his own aunt rosemary clooney so he's blasting his aunts crooning this story happened to jason i too wonderful performance yeah j Jason was talking it was 2009 somebody was in a like a the killers the killers music video are we human

or are we dancer video Jason was talking to this model from the video and they were so drunk we were at a wedding and then I drove

the two of them home and they started doing it and you had to play and you played the CD that your aunt made yeah my aunt Rosemary Carlson.

Oh, Michael, you're my favorite nephew. Oh, Jason's boning in the backseat again. Tell me what Brandon Flowers was like, baby. Jason, oh, I turn it up more. Oh, God, Jason. Mike, you know, that's my king, Brandon Flowers anecdotes, okay? So you're going to have to deal. Wow, Luke.

So that obviously suggests that's where they met, right? Or maybe familiar with each other before and that's where they bonded? Is that what that's saying? Another thing that really gave was a eureka moment for me because also having read this book i realized that i do know someone else in the picture and it makes sense why lucather is tied to all this jeffrey yes because he was a frequent no never my my awesome guitar virtuoso hopefully the names aren't coming out in the next few weeks when we release this oh yeah oh yeah god How many of the men are named?

All 14. All 14. Yeah. No, Lucather was really tight friends with somebody else in this photo, the actor Miguel Ferrer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the guy all the way on the right.

And he was, it's a big part of the book. He's emotionally destroyed when Miguel Ferrer passes away. So, like, and I think that was the connection point. So I remembered that. Oh, that makes sense. And then I was like, okay, so now we have one more of the 14. The people really do think that Miguel is one of the 14. And I'm going to bring it all the way full circle here. I was trying to think like, what do we know Miguel Ferrer for?

Do you offhand know, like, what is he in? Because of course you've seen him in things. Yeah, I mean, I know him, but I don't. Great character actor. Off the top of my do you offhand know like what is he in because of course you've seen him i mean i know i know him but i don't i can't character actor of my head i was like what is he in i had to think of something he is in the movie blank check again now this now we've expanded this story to where it involves blank check and clifford it's really all coming together um but then i was like oh yeah so wait what was he in blank check and i looked it up and in this movie miguel ferrer is a criminal who is trying to pull a money laundering scheme uh this is when he gets into a bike accident with the boy who ends up with a blank check but what's initially occurring uh is that miguel is trying to like pull something with a

bank he's threatening a bank guy. And what he's trying to do, basically, is cleanly launder something that he is in possession of. A million dollars. A briefcase with a million dollars in it. Well, well, well. History doesn't repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes. When you discovered this, was it like 3 a.m., Scott,

and you were just like put it all together with the big board? It was 3 a.m. five days ago. I haven't slept since. Look, this episode is your masterpiece. I'm not being facetious about that either. Hey, well, thank you for saying something so kind after I've come in with this brazen attack. I mean, I

felt like it didn't quite have an ending. I was like, maybe we're going to end up having to answer one of these questions. I almost told you guys, like, hey, I got a couple appointments today. I'll sit it out. You guys just do the post office without me. We just would have. That would have been good at all. I imagine you would have just answered some of the questions.

Maybe we wouldn't have recorded. Or just not recorded. I refuse to do this without Jason present. Yeah, no, you need to be here. You must be here. And for the full, for the usual suspects tying it all together, wait a minute. And Miguel Ferrer had a briefcase with a million dollars. And then that made me think, wait a minute.

How did the money fit in the briefcase? I checked the movie. It's in the first five minutes. It's in hundreds. I mean, they wouldn't do something inaccurate. There's no, like they, I'm sure they thought about hundreds being able to fit in the briefcase. The movie wouldn't do something inaccurate there's no like they I'm sure they thought about hundreds being able to fit

in the briefcase the movie wouldn't be inaccurate the movie took so much longer to make back then too so they had to dot their teeth

wait shoot on film just automatically getting it developed that's gonna be longer than it should more laborious yeah yeah social media

gotta have a marketing campaign as you know Kevin Smith was like kind of editing clerks to Sort of like on the avid as they shot I Remember reading about it so yeah that probably That didn't happen to later

2000s yeah So that really which is what really like Cracked it all open Why clerks to was able to Achieve the quality that people didn't believe In editing as you go until clerks to Came out and then that It was broken wide open so my shoot maker was like what how did you do it hey uh george you want to hear have a seat let me show you what i'm oh yeah sure i'm sure oh god

oh i i didn't know the possibilities of digital until this moment um so there you go we've come full circle on this i had a feeling that there would be a full hour in all of this but again i come back to the you know we can hem and haw about these details but i go back to the first the fateful day that the story was first attempted to be told and what was in jason's mind other than here's something interesting. And after all this, I have to admit that there is plenty interesting surrounding the George Clooney suitcase story. So what you have now done now, you've delivered a very entertaining podcast episode. Again, I'll say that. Well, not for anyone who wants to hear about theme parks.

Well, that do you. But the people who are paying us, there's something something wrong with them and i mean that in the best way but uh but what you've done now is you've uh you've turned now what's a fun bit once in a while that could maybe be done in three minutes into like seven minutes as far as when the story has to be repeated so the next time that griffin pimps us out in front of an audience yeah um and a theme park luminary now that's going to eat up seven minutes of the show yes exactly and then i'm in there and then and then steve lucather was one of that and then just like he's just like we lost him a minute one you're gonna like you're gonna have like 90 seconds on just the guitar pedals

that he used when he was doing beat it or africa or something he just sat down they did they didn't transcribe a part for him when he had to do i keep forgetting he thought of that part that's that was all it'll be a couple that was all luke there'll be a couple shots at weezer and that's in the story now that's built in so there's so much added to the story now because of this episode which only builds out the joie de vivre of podcast the ride and the mythology we've created here i think so and you know what and and and look i mean i've played the part of somebody who's mad about the story but i've ended up getting a lot of joy out of the things that i've discovered from the story is hell being in there.

That's so fun that he's there. You don't think about a real rock and roll. He's one of the listeners. If you've never seen him, he's like up until late. He doesn't dye his hair anymore, but he was like jet black way too late and like big old hair, a kind that no one his age should be doing. But I think he means well. He's trying to keep the spirit alive.

If you caught him briefly, you would say, that adam durowitz duritz from counting crows definitely because they both have similar they both have similar looks and they both have the big hair and adam i know cut the big dreads for a while but i think he's growing them back from what i know one recognizes me if i don't have he's been doing i don't know if i said this before he's been doing a taylor swift song on concert that keeps popping up on YouTube and I'll click it and watch it every time. Wow. And I can't remember the name of it. I'm scared though now that now that you're getting, like Adam Duritz seems like a perfect

candidate to have some story that's told a million times. And then I'm then four years later, I'm saying, but the story wasn't right. And Mike's saying, but the spirit of the Duritz story. I read a Duritz fact recently that he dated two of the friends cast members jake of course he did this man was it was aniston and cox i believe no no kudrow though we are guys are you sure about that i would bet a million fucking dollars that adam durowitz dead dated what are you putting a million in my brother? You're going to have to go with the to me.

They're good. Well, they're going to be, I mean, you don't want to put them in a little like a shoe box and it's going to be a thousand dollar bills. Oh, I also looked up that. I don't think a thousand dollar bills exist anymore. That was in my head too. Yeah. Oh, is that what it's going to end up? $500 bills still exist.

Probably. I don't know. Well, if you go to one of those secret currency places that Clooney went to, they might still have some older currency. The only thousands. Oh, in the secret place. Yeah. Or it would be funny to give everyone like 20s or 100s, but Kine gets $2 bills.

Sorry, Richard. There's a Hyundai Elantra parked outside for you to drive the money. Another classic Clooney prank. Yeah. Well, there you have it um graham southwood i have to really thank you for inspiring uh an entire episode here and uh for i mean look graham ended up like really not by any attempt it is he really cut the line in front of all of the listeners who asked other questions but we will but I think he earned it I thought like incredible sleuthing

you know but again I do I also say to Graham even your subject line major error in Clooney briefcase story yeah well there's an error in that too which is that it's a Clooney suitcase story so even he the corrector becomes the correctee even the great Graham Southwood.

Graham, you were wrong too, brother. Watch your back, Graham. Watch your back. You got a cat? Graham, do you have a cat? Do you have a litter box in your apartment or house? Because I'm sending a guy over there, okay? You better protect that litter box or else this human man is going to take a

big old shit. You're getting pranked. The ultimate prank. A human shit somewhere it shouldn't be. And you'll never know whether the guy is going to take a big old shit. You're getting pranked. The ultimate prank. A human shit somewhere it shouldn't be. And you'll never know whether the guy is going to be me or beloved actor Richard Kine. Richard, you probably want to get revenge on somebody whose name starts with G, right? Well, we've got an opportunity for you. Clooney should have shit in the suitcase. And Richard opened it and there was a big shit in there.

Richard, you open yours last. Okay, can do. Whatever you need. George, I'm just excited to be. This is an exciting, wow, September 27th,

2013. I think I'll never forget this night. All right, well, you survived Podcast the Ride. Really, especially Mike and Jason

survived the real bum rush of a Podcast the Ride the second gate. I promise that we will actually answer uh listener questions soon the ptr post office we'll get to it we'll get to it when it is you know what you should do screen grab somewhere you should thank thank the listeners for being part of the con uh-huh you know yo you're right yes thank you i went out with you and You were in it just like Mr. Ocean. What's his name?

Danny Ocean. Danny Ocean. He's coming back. Yeah. Imagine yourselves with Scott standing in front of the Bellagio Fountains and walking away one at a time. You, Carl Reiner. Steve Lukather.

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