Podcast: The Ride - Unlocked: The Muppets at Walt Disney World with Patrick Cotnoir

Episode Date: April 14, 2023

Enjoy this sample of Podcast: The Ride - The Second Gate. Find even more episodes at Patreon.com/PodcastTheRide Patrick Cotnoir (The George Lucas Talk Show) joins us to talk about the TV special where the Muppets head to Walt Disney World and the swamp next to Walt Disney World. Listen to Podcast: The Ride Ad-Free on Forever Dog Plus: http://foreverdogpodcasts.com/plus FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

5, 4, 3, 2, 1 Welcome to Podcast The Ride, the second gate which is just behind the trees from Podcast The Ride, the main feed. It's right over there behind that set of trees. I'm Scott Gardner. Jason Sheridan's here. Hi. Yeah, yeah. You can kind of see it if you squint. Not too far. You're in the Patreon swamp. Mike Carlson, hi. The Patreon swamp. What a place to be. It's a good day. K a place to be. That's a good thing. Kermit loves it.

That's true. Swamp's not a bad place, necessarily. You just think about it like that. I'm so happy there. Disney World was built on a swamp. It's good. Swamp is good. Yeah, yeah.

It's destigmatized swamps. No, we're happy to be here. Very happy to be talking about this special. One of the most delightful specials put out by by disney or the muppets two wonderful entities coming together that's uh just as we are coming together with a titan of way well not quite podcasting but uh weird weird uh diy uh media by which i mean the george lucas talk show and also from his new york live improv show rat scraps it's patrick cottner hi guys how are you hello we're fine the titan of weird i like that

oh yeah that's where i stopped it yeah i know for what is the no i mean the george lucas talk show it is it's like i wanted to call it a podcast but you know it's not that it's a live stream it's an it's an experience it sure i think that's maybe the best way we had so much fun i enjoyed doing that with you guys uh so much you guys stayed a while yeah yeah i even like i had to go to bed i made it to the end to take care of my kid i had to bail just for pure like i am screwed in the morning if i don't yeah but i didn't want to go because then by the end we're boy it gets loose we're hanging out we got candles and sunglasses and i think mike left for like an hour i made a pizza yeah i put mcgruff in the chair and then i came back and mcgruff mcgruff came to life yeah yeah for the

last like 20 minutes well we got irishman that's true yeah yeah right right right were we watching it that night you guys were watching tom sharpling had messaged and thrown you the curveball yes you had to watch the irishman in the background which he had threatened to do at some point like i have the right to do this to you guys at any point tom had donated we we always gave the option to the viewers that if they donated a certain amount of money to some charity that we were doing that they could have an irishman that we would have to watch on the show and they could we told tom he could use it at any time so i remember how much it was but it was a lot of money and he like held on to it for a year and just happened to uh throw throw it all throw it all out that night

wow yeah wild uh uh it was it was crazy and fun. And that's archived. That's up on YouTube. You can watch that. Which the quick sell of the George Lucas talk show, I guess, if people haven't seen. I think we've got a lot of fans in common. So we're happy to have you here. But, you know, it's you and what's his name? Watto. Yeah.

And George Lucas is a former, is a retired. He's a filmmaker. He made a couple movies. It's been a while, though. But, yeah. And, is a retired filmmaker. He made a couple movies. It's been a while though, but yeah. And George hosts a talk show. It's just like you're watching, you know, Jimmy Fallon or Jimmy Kimmel or whatever.

Except this happens to be hosted by a 75 year old retired billionaire filmmaker named George Lucas. Who we learned knew a lot about Disney and classic animation and the origins of Donald Duck and how he's evolved over the years. He loves Donald about disney and classic animation yeah yeah the origins of donald duck comic strips yeah yeah clarence ducky nash is that his name yeah yeah voice of donald yeah yeah george big donald

duck guy um anyways it's a it's a talk show uh we talked to uh guests um we've you know we've had weird al was on and like john ham's been on amy man's been on and just a lot of insane people who whoopi goldberg who like should not have been on the show you know like there's no reason why they should be there but they're there uh it's very fun it's very silly it's all on youtube you guys people can go watch if they want yeah yeah so much fun we really enjoyed doing it and you're here and you're here in los angeles uh doing the georgia leah's doctor live which we're at dynasty typewriter where we've been so excited for for that which it's in the future i think from when this is coming out but it but but sold out correct sure uh is it coming out this week yeah okay yes yeah i mean listen you can buy live

stream tickets still oh wonderful yeah yeah dynasty typewriter.com slash glts you pick up those live streams we're doing two shows two different sets of guests i told you guys who the guests were uh-huh yes we know yeah pretty good yeah yeah pretty good uh-huh so yeah go get those tickets if you want i wonder if you do have okay so you can't send people that way that's great but we're also we have you here uh during your los angeles trip for what you said was your first in-person, uh, recording. It's crazy. In years.

I can't believe it's that. That's great. Yeah. First in-person non George Lucas, like just podcast recording. I haven't done one since pre pandemic. So this is very weird having to like stare at people. Like you see me looking around the room right now and, uh, it's just weird having to, uh, make eye contact. Yeah. And we're spread out we are in a window there's a little bit of distance

between us as opposed to between windows sure it's a different deal uh i don't know if all podcasts are happening in a garage that has occasional plane and bird and car noise but it's you know it's it keeps it breezy it's just a backyard hang and in this case what could be breezier than talking about the muppets at walt disney world a delightful special actually though before we get to that yeah which it's it's uh such a fun special to talk about but i i really liked our back and forth about what to discuss on the show because you were very clear that like anything within either muppets or star wars and the list that you sent every any one of them would have

been a fantastic and will be in the future like like the the topics just cut so deep yeah and i guess what am i asking here do you want to like vouch for any of them in particular but we should do or you want to do in the future or just give any love to let me pull like i need to reference this uh out loud yeah i gave you well you have a microphone. I'm trying to remember how many I gave you, but okay. Oh my God, I gave you a lot.

Okay. They're also, well, it's funny because you're talking to, you know, we talk to people who love the parks and then they give you things,

you know, attraction ideas that are great, but they don't cut as deep as. I love Disneyland so much. I want to do Space Mountain. Yeah. And you're like, uh, snooze.

Yeah. Not a real fan, not a real fan we say you walked in their garage and you you but barely sat down before you were name dropping dexter jester you know yeah i mean let's like star wars and the muppets are my two those are two big things in my life you know two things that i've liked for a very long time so of course mgm hollywood studios was like my that was my place like that was the place i loved the most oh god yeah both life you know two things that i've liked for a very long time so of course mgm hollywood studios was like my that was my place like that was the place i loved the most oh god yeah both in their prime like absolutely and they're still yeah they're like you're still kind of there yeah

yeah yeah yeah before everything had to be nothing had to be uh rebooted yet they were still we're still pretty close to the original yeah very present stage show they're like they're all besides muppet vision 3d they're they're all around in so many different ways yeah big scary big gangly muppets yeah those are weird yeah they're weird but i kind of like absolutely it's funny seeing like kermit with like human proportions you know where you're like there's a guy in that suit his arms are so wide yeah the juxtaposition of like celebrity uh handprints and cement which will come up later and uh walk around dick tracy and giant muppets

like just delightful and then like the dinosaurs and oh my god what an assortment it is like the early very very early mgm studios is like you shook an older millennial's like brain like you try to read their their brain signals and you're just getting clips of memories and it ruled yeah yeah absolutely yeah so all right so i said muppets of walt disney world yeah which is what we're here for yeah i said any cancelled MGM Muppet stuff so like the ideas that they wanted to do right right the great movie ride that was uh gonna be Muppetized uh I said Star Wars Launch Bay which is fine it's interesting to meditate on it for a while you get something out of uh I said the handprints outside great movie ride because I

was there when R.L. Stein did his. Wow. Which I've never seen out. So I imagine they just have like a storeroom with a bunch of. Yeah. I think they to get people there and then they'd keep them out for a couple of weeks or if they heard the person was coming. They get it. Yeah. Well, there is a very brief goosebump stuff at MGM Studios.

It was probably right around then. Yeah. Yeah. It was 98, 99, probably somewhere around there. And he put his hands in there, and then they just like, oh, great. And he left, and they picked it up and just put it right backstage. Yeah, I guess. Mine was Jody Sweden from Full House.

Wow. Yeah, that was pretty. And I love Full House by that point. Was that during Full House? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I forget if they had done the official TGIF trip or not,

but right around then. That's pretty cool. I said the great moments in American history, the window show with the Muppets. Yes. We've never done that. Which is a great show. I said the Meet the Muppets show,

which is the one with the walk-around characters that was gone pretty quick. Yes. It was there for like a year maybe or something. Too many tears. Yeah. It was there for like a year maybe or something. Too many tears. Yeah. He screams at Big Biggie. I said the Bunsen and Beaker Mobile Labs

rolling thing. That was there for a little bit. Is that around a little ever? I don't think so. I haven't seen it in a while, but stuff has been popping up that like robot that like roams around Tomorrowland is back. So I feel like sometimes they have stuff in storage

that just pops out once in a while. But but i don't think they've had that mobile labs in a while uh i said any galaxy's edge stuff really the galaxy's edge comic book which is wild and you guys read that no no no they like try to tie it in to the thing and like make it feel like this is a real world but then uh you know also make a lot of the background characters just look like cast members it's like very weird uh strange the art of galaxy's edge comic book or the art of a galaxy's edge book uh that's just going through all the the concept art uh those weird busts that were in mgm the like yes yes yeah of like of tv legends yes and the way, if you're just running around, not that far from where we're recording, you might actually enjoy this. There are two places where those were, because that was the thing with the TV Academy.

Oh, yeah. And we're near the TV Academy, which is like a little courtyard with a big Emmy. It's in North Hollywood, and they have the same bus. Weird. It's like a big courtyard with all the, so it's like, it's, you know, Lucy and Carol Burnett. Yeah, yeah.

That kind of people. It's behind the Jimmy Johns. It's not on the main drag. It's behind the Jimmy Johns. And I think across the street from Vape Depot. Yeah. You can, I for sure have posted a photo of a Vape Depot

through the Emmy Globe. Yeah. And if you hit the Dave's Hot Chicken that used to be the Arby's, because I for sure have posted a photo of a vape depot through the ME globe. Yeah. And if you hit the Dave's hot chicken that used to be the Arby's, keep going. Okay. Okay. And with those busts,

I don't think they put this in in Florida. The North Hollywood one has Chuck Lorre, and his plaque is one of those big rants that he goes on on his title cards. So you can go see a Chuck Lorre. I don't think in either one can you now see a Bill Cosby. That makes sense. I believe Bill has been ripped out of. I said the Drew Carey show, the sound thing that was at MGM.

That's the only one we've done. Oh, you haven't done it yet. Oh, wow. Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. In parentheses, I put barely remember remember it but i remember it being weird that was all i remember extremely weird uh blackout binaural audio yeah the figment comic book uh and then the old star tours pre-ride video wow they just like took the masks from like the ewok movies and yeah right right in there

oh should i load the camera with the multiple yeah that's great oh my god um geez well you cut deep you cut deep with disney mgm studios especially with star wars and with muppets and i think we landed at the the right thing um which is what a is it the you know maybe not better than muppet vision 3d but it's one of the best collisions i would say of of muppets and disney yeah i mean they feel like such uh they go together so well you know what i mean like i i always think of one when i think of the other just because they were made basically at the same time so like the puppets all look the same you know like it's like yes they weren't uh of different time periods the the vibe is right for every it's right for the park it's right for the park, it's right for the Muppets.

Yeah. There's only two guest stars, but they're pretty notable. Yeah. This is, again, for millennials, just put this on, it's like a thunder shirt,

not a scared dog. Like, this is just like catnip. You just relax, you calm down, your friends are all here, they sound correct. They sound right. They sound right, they're making jokes

that you would think like is that a weird old vaudeville reference but i'm allowing it because it's a bunch of puppets my my favorite puppet friends saying it my favorite muppet friends yeah and i mean this gets dark this is the last time they quote sound right right well yes it should be noted this aired may 6 1990 on nbc on the magical world of disney this is before they were fully in a relationship and owned abc uh may 16th 1990 jim henson passes away 10 days later insane so crazy so this is the last filmed well no a puppet vision 3d comes out later yeah right uh but like but one of the last jim henson pieces uh also aired two days after jim henson was on arsenio hall which was his last appearance just as wow him yeah and then i didn't know this uh the day jim henson died so right right around it was on the same day

they put they aired a special called Sing Sesame Street Remembers Joe Raposo there's a tribute special to the Sesame Street composer

and Jim is in it being interviewed so the day he died you could watch this thing that's about the sad premature death of another Muppet legend

what a time it's also the same day Sammy Davis Jr. died wow isn't that crazy yeah geez yeah that's a uh it's a wild day you think that uh celebrities only die together now because people on twitter are weird and loud about it yeah and make art where they're like holding hands right weirdly walking into heaven together or if they have figures they uh do a

funeral with the figures now that That's a common thing. It is? Oh, yeah. No. What's been, where has that been done? On the Facebook groups I'm on. Griffin Newman and I will share them sometimes when someone has passed away, but they have a figure. You have to say one.

Who has been figured i mean the closest one and it's very sad but obviously we're making fun of the idea of what the of the memorial is uh chad mcbozeman's black panther figure oh no just like in a funeral but people are like in our ip and i'm like you set this up man like this is pretty this is pretty weird well here's what i need to do is like get this action figure in a little box or it is jeez that's weird other figures standing around them yeah like people from there or can just like can the smurfs come like who gets to go to the funeral it's usually with i've from what i've seen it's usually in universe i mean like there's a stan lee figure and when stan lee died it was all of the marvel heroes standing around stan lee and the people posed them perfectly

and thanks to deep fake technology it will be like stan never died well that's a whole that's a whole we could do a whole hour and a half of a new contract that will allow Stan Lee to continue cameoing in Marvel films and TV. I have a theory that Tom Cruise is developing the best AI with the best deep fake so that there will never not be Tom Cruise movies. Is that just because you got fooled by that deep fake of Tom Cruise? I did get fooled by that deep fake. In an episode. I did. I admittedly.

No, I know, but I'm just wondering what your rationale. I bought that whole client sinker. I'm just wondering what your rationale was For Tom being the one I was just talking about Like Maverick And I Because I Looking at him getting old

In the Mission Impossible trailer I'm like What if There are Com Cruise movies forever And the Stan Lee news I bet My

My thinking would be That Tom is actually investing In things to keep him alive That too I would think He's doing He can do it all Mutually exclusive

I guess that's true but tom's such a practical effects guy you know he would want to be doing the teenage blood blood replacements uh all the different things cloning himself and putting his old brain a rejuvenated old brain into the new body i think he's looking at all that stuff yeah so yeah perhaps part of it is looking into if with enough Gs, if he keeps climbing and climbing, can he find heaven? Sure.

Get a camera up there, keep filming his movies in heaven. I found it, found the place. Everyone you remember and love is here. I'm with them. So Fred stares in my movies now. Yeah. Marilyn Monroe.

Sorry, Jeremy. Heaven does have a name. It feels like the upping from we're shooting a movie in space you know yeah he goes yeah hey guys guess what 2028 first movie ever shot in heaven yeah we're doing it it's not everyone anyone could have done it everyone was just quitters everyone who ever died was a quitter and then tom cruise figured it out yeah and then he does a mea culpa because like you know what it was a quitter, and then Tom Cruise figured it out. And then he does a mea culpa. He's like, you know what?

It was a Christian god. Sorry. Sorry. That's on me. Strong enough to admit when I was wrong. Admit God it shook his hand. Great handshake. Great handshake.

Right in the eyes. Hey, but I'm also partying with Elrond, so I have it both ways. Who is in heaven? Elrond's in heaven. God forgave Elrond. If he can do that, he'll forgive all of you.

It is wild that he's now the one who comes out looking better in that Matt Lauer interview. Oh, yeah, right. What he's saying. How crazy he's being. Yeah, yeah. You can never.

No, it can't be worse. If it's choose your fighter you choose tom um this also context we've said okay so uh i think everybody's very fond of the muppets family christmas special mike and i talked about it with the dope boys done a couple years before this i think the muppets really shine in specials there's great films of course also but i think but the specials are just it just feels like a perfect format for them and uh just muppet special content around this time the same year i don't think i knew this was all the same year this special muppets at disney world uh miss piggy and other muppets appear in the disneyland 35th anniversary special a really good one that's filmic with earnest and c-3po and tony danza and all that the muppet babies are in cartoon all-stars to the rescue anti-drug special uh they're in the earth day special that insane thing that is what it's ghostbusters and doc brown and et and nathan

therm but it's not ghostbusters yeah it's because it only no he's egon's brother that's right his name elon it might be elon spangler it's something like that where he's like the head of the epa or something like that man there's some lawyers who bought houses off Ghostbusters lawsuits. If you guys have not talked about that, you should absolutely talk about that. I don't know how we haven't. Yeah, what a... I mean, that's... I don't know how we're so excited about our multiverses

when the Earth Day special has already occurred. Yeah, really. Anyway, that... And then, well, and then horribly at the end of the year, they ended up making the muppets celebrate jim henson because he passed away but a good special as is the joe raposo one i mean this was just a peak time all great stuff all things everybody should watch that's a benefit of youtube is that like boy these things were not they were all like if you didn't have the tape of

it off yeah really this might disappear forever i mean that's how I saw this was I think my grandma had it on tape. Wow, wow. And she just taped it when it was on. She just happened to keep the VHS. And then I saw it when I was a kid and, like, stole it from her house and, like, burned it to DVD so I could have it. Oh, great. Wow.

So you really, you held on to this one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty special. It's really good. I mean, we love any just the gangs going to disney world like tgif did but what gang would you rather see yeah go to disney world um yeah it's so much fun it's also it's fascinating how it like the special ends and you really feel like they're like welcome to the family

we're here we're all together finally and then it's like, oh, guys, wait like six months. Wait a minute. It's very ominous. It's beyond the death. Then the death causes everything to fall apart. And then hearing, I don't think it was clear at the time, but now Frank Oz is very much, it was the deal that killed him. It's the grimmest thing.

So seeing Mickey say that is like it's as it hits difference now as the kids say pretty strange yeah yeah it is it like i was i haven't i've seen piece of this i never watched all of it but yeah it feels like it feels so there's so much effort into it too versus just a normal like ad everything we talk about as far as movies it's all ads but you do go well there's a lot of effort here there's like lower sets i've never seen before um and then yes ends on a an ominous note which i'm sure they didn't assume would be the case when they made it yeah but a visual we like casual polo mickey yes oh my god yes casual polo mickey in his office when the the moment when you're building to the moment we're at the door what's going to happen when the door opens and i watched it with aaron who'd never

seen it and the reveal that oh my god it it's animated Mickey interacting with the Puppet Muppets. And that's what I call it. Everyone should call him that. Puppet Muppet. It's a more proper term. But then also, like, oh, my God, not just it's Mickey. Oh, my God, it's casual 90s Mickey. So let me ask you this, Scott.

We've had the debate about Hyperspace Hoopla when Mickey shows up at the end, and it's shocking. And you're very excited about this Mickey reveal, even though it's Disney World. Would you be happier about the end of the Hyperspacepace hoopla if he was wearing his polo shirt and it was like 90s polo shirt mickey i think so i think that would do it for me more i mean look in this case it's the the mixing of the mediums this is an ongoing discussion we've had on the show we did you are you familiar with these with these star wars park oddities are you familiar with something they did called hyperspace hoopla is that the space mountain overlay that's no no that's the star wars yeah star wars dance show during star wars weekends like a few years ago yes yes yes i know exactly yeah okay good yeah what uh uh i can't what's the name of the host

there's two hoes and ollie something yeah it's the same host for a few years and you know yeah like like if you want to see darth maul twerk yeah this is where it would be and and uh everybody style sure yeah i knew you were trouble when you walked in stuff like that uh and then at the end of one year which is the best year mickey comes out and dances at the very end and he's in a jedi outfit and the audience loses their mind and i got i get it i was watching and i got excited too and i think jason and i agree that it was good and scott was like it's not that weird he's at disney world sure this was my yeah this way and it was built up because you were very like and then wait yeah till you see and then mickey came out and i was like so so what is it like i didn't know that was yeah yeah if

they were doing it at circuit city it would be weird there you go yes this is what i'm saying if it was a place where i don't expect to see mickey mouse but i think too you gotta remember oh my god that'd be the weirdest place of all uh yeah is it april fools are they switching like fallon and kimmel i think it's early days of the kind of lightweight character costumes like the Mickey he's blinking he blinks oh I don't like that oh no it's good I don't like the blink in the mouth moving

it's too much for me I'm pro blinking the costumes are just kind of like like a green man suit now like their arms and legs it's like a guy you can tell it's a guy which sometimes takes away the fun a little but i'm sure it makes it easier to break dance probably yeah yeah and it's uh it comes out it's like oh i just want to feel this moment and mickey

like puts his hands up in the air and he kind of does like one of these and his eyes keep blinking and the people are losing their minds also keep in mind that if you like the show you were like worked up into a lather at this point by the end of 20 25 minutes of seeing all the all the star wars characters yeah dancing to pop music yeah so i guess you you would be very excited if you also just liked the whole show which i do was that the last year i think i believe it was is that so like for there's continuity through the shows too yes so it all builds to like mickey comes out does a fun dance and it's like anyway you're not gonna see this for a while i mean here's all those songs you mentioned sound far too modern for it not to

be the last show you know what i mean like well that was the that was the gimmick yeah it was always sort of modern but from a from a Star Wars brand perspective, there's a point where they're like, we're not doing this anymore. No, I know. And that's when it was all over, sadly. That's when the fun was over. It's like I threw you the ball

and you ran with it across the field into the hoopla zone. You're like, now it's a hoopla episode. The characters were snig and hoopla yeah i was trying to remember it was like because it had to be a tortured rhyme yeah yeah hoopla snig snig yeah snig okay it's one of the ruddles too i think yeah um yeah it uh it does feel a piece of some of the things in the muppets and i'm not talking about the muppets dancing modern music i'm talking about like stuff that they would like you know really nitpick on nowadays where it's like they're walking down

hollywood boulevard and then suddenly miss picky is that big thunder mountain yeah geography is all over the place yeah yeah yeah no it's it's it's really insane um the uh well let me here let's just let's let's go to the top because, there's big stars we got to bring into this, beyond the Muppets, beyond Mickey, and I want to go to the first one who we see, which is that, of course, this being the magical world of Disney, that you get an appearance from the big dog, Michael Eisner. Michael Eisner introduces the special. He's in the Grand Floridian with Fozzie and another boy a common thing with muppet family christmas yeah he's mom i love fozzie's mom yeah i did two really always two

appearances of her maybe i think so muppet christmas carol oh okay she's fezzy wig okay okay okay she may have been like a runner on the muuppet show once. I don't think so. I don't know. I only know that from a wiki. I have no recollection of it myself, so I can vouch for it. But huge roles in both of these specials. You know, I'm relaxed when she's around. That's delightful.

I feel taken care of when Mrs. Fozzie is around, yeah, especially because of that holiday. She makes me feel so welcome because she brought the Fraggles, Sesame Street, and the Muppets together. And I assume she would welcome me in. Oh, yeah. She'd love if you showed up. Yeah. The more the merrier.

The more the merrier. Uh-huh. The more the merrier. Watch out for the icy pitch. Her official name, Emily Bear. So I'm almost, boy, I mean,ily bears around michael eisner's around uh has everyone seen the outtakes i was just gonna yeah okay okay and i feel like probably a lot of the listeners have seen the outtakes too but you know i don't think anyone will complain

about hearing this so great standard michael eisner intro. I mean, the regular stuff is really fun. He gets like, it's like a wardrobe fix, and a bunch of Muppets rush in and tear his suit apart. Fozzie spills something on his suit. Fozzie hits him with butter on a butter knife. He rubs butter on his sleeve. Been there. We've all been there.

The way they shoot it, makes like it makes it look like fozzie did it on purpose too yeah which i don't think they meant to have that but i like the idea that fozzie was just like i'm gonna fuck his suit up yeah yeah it's funny he might have well because he's like you know he's pranking him a little bit yeah yeah he's still pretty young he's young looks real young in this no hello fozzie oh not a hello yeah having been through every hello to make the michael eisner hello montage although there's i found more i mean one of these days i gotta do around three that's how many there are but yeah this one didn't work not a hello um but lots of fun stuff anyway here is the uh the outtakes which is a great montage in general because you see how much fun they're having, how much they stay in character

and keep it up and kind of needle each other. It's the real show. It's the edgier show and never more clear than in this Michael Eisner sequence. That bears in usually, but I appreciate this, Mr. Eisner. This is such a beautiful room. It's very nice, yes. Thanks, I love it too.

Welcome, everyone. I'm in the lobby of the gland I'm sorry gland gland Floridian well we could change the name could I request a room with a cave welcome everyone I'm in the lobby of the gland gland the gland the gland this is wonderful hotel thank you for letting us stay here third take, bears don't usually get to go in places like this. Thanks a lot. Oh, welcome, everyone. I'm in the lobby of the Grand Floridian. Okay, who else can we get?

Fozzie, just killing it. Just killing it. Do it at Living. Different intro every time. Maybe I said this once already, that there's a little Tonight Show where Kermit hosts a Tonight Show. Have you seen this episode?

Can I tell you something? Sure, go ahead. If you go look and see who uploaded that on YouTube. Is it you? It's Connor Ratliff. Oh, wow. Who I gave the video to, and then he put it on YouTube,

and now it has like a million views, and I'm like, I'm so mad. Oh gosh the source that's crazy what a sequence of events to you mike yeah i watched this like less than a year ago wow it's great but and this is gonna sound like i'm shitting on henson and i'm not henson is fun yes but oz is like next level improviser fast on his feet and like he obviously has more fun characters but henson feels a little lost in places Oz is like next level improviser fast on his feet. And like, he obviously has more fun characters, but Henson feels a little lost in places doing an hour or whatever.

It was still an hour. It was not 90 minutes. Was it 90? Wow. That's that long ago. It's a 90 minutes. It's long. And I get it that he has to be out there the whole time,

but odd, you go, Whoa, he's a next level improviser. As far as like, he's got so many funny moments that are seemingly just off the cuff it's really a shame he doesn't he hasn't directed a movie in a long time i think death at a funeral maybe is the last one beyond like documentary stuff he

you know he's all i also like going back and seeing stuff and like he's got a little role in like american werewolf yeah and he's funny he's in knives out he's yes he's in knives out you go like hey should have been in more stuff i know like he's in so much stuff yeah i was trying to remember yeah a lot of land of stuff oh sure sure sure yeah god what a like magical person to be running around i know like great filmmaking of that time like we can add this in too yeah to say nothing of yoda like maybe one of the best careers sure you know what i mean just like when you add it all up oh yeah oh wow it's there's so many separate disparate things that like add up to yes so much of uh american culture which he direct the score yes marlon brando appeared well because he called brando called him miss piggy to

be disrespectful to him refused to take any direction from him. Oh my God. So they made De Niro wear an earpiece and Oz would tell him what to tell Brando through the earpiece because Brando kept calling him Miss Piggy. I'm sorry. And they gave us a making of show of the Godfather and not the score. This is what I want. Get actors playing old weird Brando And Frank Oz

Who else is in the scores? Ed Norton Ed Norton It was like Yeah like three generations Of the coolest Dramatic actors Yeah

And then it was Frank Oz directing And Brando's being a weirdo As usual Wow Well yeah In top form They're so funny

That's so great Then I mean we'll well we'll meet star number two but let me just go through the the story of it a little bit um the launching point being that kermit has brought his muppet friends to his hometown which is paradise swamp which is full of various frogs that he knew growing up kind of a backwoods weird place that is having a frog festival and bug fry he thinks that this will be a lot of fun for the gang but they're sort of weirded out by all the frogginess not the place for that you know miss piggy is kind of sheltered and with her handyman. Who is that guy?

Borgard. Borgard. Yeah, he's the janitor. He's around still. Oh, that's, okay. And then becomes in this, for these purposes. Yeah, like her assistant. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right hand man. But, so kind of like Crazy Swamp Frog Sequence. I like robin too i think i'm on record well robin is a i didn't realize until a couple years ago that robin was controversial because i always i always liked robin but apparently that is not necessarily the the um like most popular opinion he's kind of not to the same level but like Bunny, who I know you guys have talked about before, who's in 3D. Bean was sort of like the cute edition that they brought in. And Robin was sort of like the proto-Bean, a lot of people say, where he was like also just cute and sang cute songs and like didn't have much going on beyond that. But there's some bigger Muppet fans than I that I've talked to, and they go, I hate Robin.

And I go, really? Robin is tiny Tim, and he's so empathetic and charming. I agree. I didn't realize this existed. Now, I'll say this, and I want to get this on record. Yeah. Muppet Christmas Carol. My least favorite Muppet movie.

What? Whoa. That's Jason's favorite, right? Yeah. You're putting Muppet Treasure Island ahead of it? Yeah. Wow. It's not funny. Muppets in Space? Muppet movie. What? Whoa. That's Jason's favorite, right? The bottom. You're putting Muppet Treasure Island ahead of it? Yeah. Wow. It's not funny.

Muppets in Space? Muppet Christmas Carol, not funny. It's the Christmas Carol. There are funny movies. Put it on to Amy. That's not what I'm here for, though. I think Gonzo's, I think all that stuff, the levity through it. It's a little too much sentimentality for me.

I like that. You feel schmaltzy to you? But I want to laugh, and I don't really laugh that much with Christmas Carol. Interesting. So there's the song that's only in some of the versions that's this, like, heartbreaker of a song. Oh, yeah. Is that too cloying for you or something?

Saddest song ever written. Yeah. Fast forward through that scene on the VHS. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, everyone, by the way, anyone who says anything negative about anything Muppet related is stepping in it. You're stepping in it.

That's fine. I probably have somehow without realizing it. I think there's any slightly negative. I would like, well, you know what I was about to say? I have not actually watched Muppets in Space, which you've therefore ranked ahead of. Yes, absolutely. So, and what do you have to say about having not seen it? I have no previous bias against Muppets in Space.

I'll say this. Yeah. I was seven when Muppets from Space came out. came out okay so that's my prime age for it you know way sure right and you know before people come for me i have muppet bona fide you know like i own a borogard bust oh you know like so don't don't come for me guys okay what is your uh opinion on walter i don't dislike walter i don't either i wish they figured out what to do with walter yeah and i think there's a very funny line in uh muppets most wanted which is the second uh after the seagull movie where he like runs away and someone i think it's pepe has a line where he says, didn't we just spend

the entire last movie making him a part of the group? And then Robin comes in and says, at the expense of other beloved characters. And I sort of feel that way about Walter,

where I'm like, you gotta find that second beat for him. You're gonna do all this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Walter around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna throw Muppet

under the bus if we're doing that. And I'm curious, will I get any hate on this? Because Sesame Street's been more present in my house with a young child. And we really like, even newer Sesame Street characters we like a lot. But there's one who's not really around anymore. We do not care for, I do not care for Baby Bear.

Sure. Maybe that might be harsh because that's a cute character. But are there Baby Bear stands out there am i wrong what do i know about baby bear i think i know what he looks like any kind of it's like it's like he puts a lot of w's in like uh he's like a cutesy way of speaking yeah yeah yeah just not my i don't know doesn't do it for me i think that's the one thing about him that's like positive is like if kids have a speech impediment you know like it was like a helpful thing to be like oh baby bear he's like me you know like that big mistake scott yeah i didn't say that and it's possible to dislike the timber

of the voice without the mispronunciation this is not well the guy who are the register you see the guy who played that does not work on the show anymore so that is why well and i think i've caught that he did other things that i because i didn't really like this character marie yeah yeah yeah and that was that a you probably know this stuff that was like a not a good exit that's a dramatic i believe it was a dramatic yeah yeah i don't know all the details but he he was like head writer and like director and performer for a while i don't think it was as bad as some of the other exits but i i don't think it was. It wasn't a bad exit. I mean, what we're looking at with this 1990 special is teetering. It's like right before, boy, is it nothing but drama.

It's never fully been course corrected. And with all of these, the bad, Steve Whitmire and Frank Oz doesn't feel good about anything. And this guy you're describing. Dave Goels is the one guy who's still there. Still there. Right, right, right. Gonzo. Gonzo himself. Who's Gonzo and who else in this? Bunsen, Honeydew. Oh, great. describing and uh dave goals is the one guy who's still there still right right right gonzo gonzo

himself who's gonzo and who else who else in this is bunsen honeydew um that might be he's borgar who is your favorite muppet can you give us just some of your basic favorite stuff i'm not really a main guy like i like gonzo i like fozzie those are like my two main favorites but you're a deeper i'm a new zealand guy oh interesting i'm uh i'm a crazy hairy guy i'm a chef guy i'm like a swedems guy you know okay uh dr teeth but sure like gonzo's probably the top of the main of the main group yeah weirdest yeah yeah yeah Do you go hard for Sesame Street 2 or just Muppets in general? I do like Sesame Street a lot. I interned there for a year. Oh, wow. And I went there a couple times

when I was a kid, which was cool. Yeah, I bet. Because I wanted to work in that world for a while. But yeah, Muppet was always more of my thing. Sure. But I, you know, I stand the street. Sure.

Yeah, yeah. Any good encounters? Any like, oh, I got a really good moment with Silencer. So I was there the last time as of today that Frank Oz performed on Sesame Street. Whoa. Isn't that wild? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It is wild. He did a song with Grover. They like brought him in for like two days because he's very expensive now. Sure. Okay. And they don't, they're not like flowing with cash over there it's been yeah it's half an hour now with a lot of reuse for sure and they shoot like sequences are in every episode yeah they shoot like two weeks a year or something like that disney does not own them it's crazy yeah yeah it's it's not a lot oh uh but yeah he did a Grover song and then they did like a boardwalk Empire parody

and a Downton Abbey parody. Wow. Yeah. Whoa. He was in just the regular sketches. Oh, geez. Yeah.

Wow. Geez. I was there like right before a lot, like the guy who was playing Elmo. He left after like right after I was there, the guy who played Big Bird, like basically retired after I was there. The guy who played the count,

like died the year after I was there. Like it was just like, oh, geez, It was just like the end of an era. That's pretty wild. Yeah. I lucked out. Do they all have ponytails? I mean, they're all 80 now, so not anymore. Mayhem.

At the point, they did. George Carlin had a ponytail up until he was old, right? Yeah, that's true. There are some elderly ponytails. Wow, that's wild. Okay okay so we're in the swamp we're hanging out with frogs um the gang's not really feeling it and then it a little bit of information quietly comes out which is that just beyond a set of trees in the swamp is disney world and if they want to pop into disney world quick but then they should probably get back for the bug fry.

How great is this? What a great tie together. The Disney World is Swamp, and the Kermit is Frog. So now, important pieces of canon. Kermit the Frog grew up in Orlando, Florida. Yes. When you're in the Muppet movie, I guess that's Orlando. The camera pulls out a little bit more in the Muppet movie

when he's on the log. You see the ball in the Muppet movie. I guess that's Orlando. If the camera pulls out a little bit more in the Muppet movie, when he's on the log, you see the ball in the background or whatever. You see the Florida Project motel. Yeah, he's on the outskirts. Well, and that's another thing that being next door. Okay, because we've recently come across another bit of mythology, which is the backstory of Mickey's Toontown, which is that toontown was there first in the fictional mythology in anaheim in anaheim like and so then walt is looking for a place to

build his dream park and mickey says there's a big bunch of land right next to this little town that we made maybe you could build your theme park here so disneyland exists because we're living we're going next to mickey and friends um Maybe coincidentally, Disney World is built right next to where Kermit grew up. So fictionally, the Disney company's habit is to move in, do a lot of building, create a lot of hubbub around these gentle characters who are in their employ ultimately it's kind of an odd yeah i mean it's you know they give them a leg up but also it can't be good for for the swamp for the pollution levels for the quality of life oh yeah oh my god drives the rates up because they even it's amazing they can afford they must be off the grid they aren't like plugged into the power lines

or anything no it's not dissimilar to in it's a wonderful life when george bailey tells his old friend like well there's that empty factory on the outside of town you know whole town was started out of work when that closed yours and father-in-law could get it for cheap you know hard luck tales that get it's just fast i mean it just makes you wonder what the other like like does the tokyo disney site exist because duffy and friends had a little village i think that's absolutely right yeah and if we like all right well these bears will you know they're so nice they'll shut up even though they were coming to town and maybe they'll work for us the wuzzles were right outside of Disneyland Paris. Oh, yeah. That's a game of the Wuzzles. They moved down river.

We don't want to be anywhere near any of this. Yeah, very strange. But I love this. So Kermit's a Floridian. We know that now. And the gang leaves. They all go to Disney World. But nobody's got money.

This wasn't the plan to get in they have no way to get in um the solution becomes to just break in yeah they do break the law animal buzz like the animal is in the wrong here yeah sure i mean you know this the stuffy security guard who we're about to get to i'm not you know you're not rooting for him although maybe i don't know well but yeah being who he is but jason is um but animal you know yeah there is a breaking and entering can i ask a question and maybe i missed this now that i'm thinking about it does kermit says that he left his wallet back in the swamp or something is kermit lying to the security guard or did he he have a wallet? He doesn't wear pants. Well, right.

I think that's like an old get. It's like when you pull out the pockets and a fly fall. But I guess what I'm saying is... I left my wallet at home. I'm saying Kermit is usually such... I mean, I know he sometimes gets into little things. But is Kermit being genuine? Because it feels like Kermit would want to pay.

I think he's gotten riled up, you know, and he's so excited about going to Disney that I hear like we're going in no matter what. Maybe. That's my guess. Okay. Because sometimes he gets a little like a you know sure doing this come on guys we're gonna make it happen you know but you don't understand what i'm saying i'm just wondering now that i'm thinking about the scene yeah well i think he's a little dismayed because no one cared about the swamp right but i was wondering maybe kermit does have 40 tickets or his money back in a wallet somewhere and he meant to pay. I think so.

I take him at his word. I trust Kermit. Do you think he gets the Florida state discount, even though he doesn't live there anymore? His whole family does? I think he does, yeah. He would probably get more perks. They might technically be residents of the Reedy Creek Improvement District. I was going to say, I was wondering how Kermit's family

is affected by what Governor DeSantis is revoking the rights of the district. Our taxes are going up how much? Yeah. Yeah. There's a great joke, by the way, at the very, very top where they're walking through the swamp and Bunsen Honeydew says

that Beaker is using the Muppet Lab's anti-poison iv ivy cream makes you break out in spots and itch like the dickens but you don't get poison ivy like that is such a good joke right at the top of the show that's sharp geez i mean it's all very funny it's great and then it's especially taken into next gear when you meet the security guard, who is, of course, Officer Quentin Fitzwaller, as portrayed by Uncle Martin himself from our favorite film, Clifford. Charles Grodin is in this special. Oh, my God. And something I just put together,

this is actually his first interaction with the clifford because clifford the muppet shows up in the special clifford so this is the first cliford collaboration eventual band leader yeah this is clifford's first appearance he was on this show called the jim henson hour which was like a year or two before this this is this is getting real in the weeds guys but i guess this is why we're here yeah it's the only time his whole thing was they're like he's in the new band he's like the new band guy he's the music guy the cool guy right but this is the only time he plays with the electric mayhem is in this special that's what confused me was that grouping

yeah so he's sitting in with them i guess yeah, I guess. Interesting. I mean, yeah, why not? It's Michael McDonald being in Steely Dan for a little bit. Before he kind of takes a behind-the-scenes on Muppets Tonight, right? Oh, he's the host. Oh, he is the host. No, no, no. He's very free. Kermit goes behind the scenes.

Kermit goes behind the scenes. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally. But oh my God, you get Grodin. Grodin's in this with Muppets again after great muppet caper this is post muppet caper yes yeah that was like 81 um is so his second what a sport to come back liked the muppet experience enough i guess yeah if it's it's hard to imagine him liking anything

but as close as for sure i imagine they just flew his family down to disney you know what i mean like it's probably one of those like come on down bring everybody hang out for two weeks well he's also in the family by this point because i was on the imdb and just looking at this boy any actor would be jealous of this stretch in an imdb chronologically midnight run cranium command muppets at walt disney world oh my god one of the great legendary yeah geez with probably clifford being filmed in there yeah at some point that's right it sat on the shelf for a while yeah might have been exactly in that zone um boy and it's it's wonderful i mean he you know and there's fun this is i think a lot of the is a Muppet project good or not is who are those guests who you know that they're going to have?

Are they committed and full tilt and fun? Or are they phoning it in a little bit? Or were they convinced this person was hot, so we'll put him in? But Grodin's exactly what you want, where he's a real actor. He's going for it, too. Like, which, you know, he's very funny. He had some line that made me laugh out loud and i don't remember what it was and i should have wrote it down he just he

was like mugging to the camera and like really going for it yeah yeah he's got a funny joke about he lost the 700 keys to f cop but he found a hundred of them oh yeah that's what it was that's what it was 700 that's a 700. That's great. So they break in. He's after him, and that's the dramatic thrust of this. But otherwise, you get to just run around Disney World with the Muppets. Animal commits more crimes. He steals ice cream and breaks an ice cream truck.

That's another thing where that would not fly now. Yeah. They would like, we cannot have our character breaking the Disney rules. Oh, yeah. They push over a giant turnstile. Even easier with those magic band things. They're so skinny, you could kick them right,

a child could push those over. It's not even a turnstile anymore, really. Yeah, it's not. It's just a pole. It's a stanchion. Oh, yeah, yeah. Just jump. And another thing they wouldn't do is like say the stuff wrong,

much like we talked about with TGIF, where like I'm looking at the quote, you you know and there's that ocean thing over there yeah i think they mean the living seas but i'm not super confident and a lot of pointing to there's somewhere in there star tours is over this way and they are not in the park that star tours is in they're like near big thunder mountain or something like that like it's like very far they're in magic kingdom and in magic kingdom that's right is not in that park however love it love it we're so slavish to mythologies at this point i love the casual slapdash nature of it everybody relax like we said this recent this breaking news of we're disrupting the galaxy's edge continuity and the new characters are going in. I don't care. Remotely. Break all of them.

I want Jefferson Starship playing in there. Oh, yeah. And I don't want to get it derailed, but they mentioned Helix in the Star Wars presentation. That was something. I mean, it occurred to me that that did come in a big chain of events from us. Because I learned about Helix from this executive who and i told it to you guys and that documentary got made and now scott trobridge is talking about it with tony baxter at a big star wars event i'm like this is this is a uh butterfly effect yeah and that's

stemming from us which is pretty fun to think about that doesn't feel that feels like that has to go past some approvals to get on stage slide it's not a comic-con presentation it's an official disney presentation yeah so it is interesting that that's there yeah yeah with the head of imagineering mentioning it before they can get to because they're like we're going to step through it chronologically and before star tours let's give a little nod to halos and it's yeah it's it's not star wars so they don't have to say it either no it's not like all this interesting part of star wars is history it's not i think it is now though i think he made it official that's what i'm that's what i'm saying is by him by scott trowbridge deigning it so i think it is very

interesting they're all so excited that this conversation is happening right now they're all they're downloading their patreon episodes they're like oh my gosh this is the best yeah you're saying scott is yeah yeah hey scott how are you they don't like to acknowledge us by the phones disney we've begged and pleaded for to be involved and no it's radio silence if they call here's a question yeah they call you guys right they say we're bringing back calyx uh-huh okay unfortunately no one else wants to be in the band will you guys do it what a question i'm saying you gotta learn the instruments you gotta learn this yeah full on

no problem okay i'll figure it out i just wanted it on the record yeah just okay my keyboard skills are so rudimentary but i will tom cruise style just like hyper dose in three months i'll get there give me the marvel me and mike will do the marvel hgh regimen you know i don't know we have i don't really have to do that but i guess we will yeah we will i don't know if anyone's swinging around on that rope yeah oh because he likes heights oh I love it yeah yeah um it's happening where we are helix 2.0 yeah so crazy all right so we're watching I mean love when narrative goes away and you're just watching characters go on rides and that's what you get with things like watching just miss piggygy's going to go on Big Thunder Mountain.

That's breezy and fun. But unlike when the full house gang goes on Big Thunder Mountain, you're like, wait a minute. There are logistics here. How is this puppet going on this? What's going on? They are crouched down under. And this is not safe. Or they had to find a new way to make it safe.

This is logistically complex. And do you know the behind the scenes thing about this? No. Frank Oz says, not doing it. Whoa. Not doing it. Not going on. So Dave Goels, I guess, goes on and puppeteers piggy for all those things. Yeah, yeah.

I don't know how they do that. And Frank Oz doesn't want to do it because he's scared of roller coasters? He says he gets motion sickness. Okay. Yeah. So it's maybe not even. Which has been being like, I mean, that's a horrible position. Oh, yeah.

That's super weird. But every time I was like going flipping through the muppet wiki page for this today and every time they mention it it's like in heavy quotes where they're like we're not really sure if he really did or if he just didn't want to do this oh you're right yeah that's wild yeah um and that's that's maybe the most complex staging in this. The other one probably that Gonzo and Camilla are on a... But their story is that they kind of run off and they don't care about the rides and stuff. They're going to weird sewers. The laundry.

Yeah, the laundry. So they are going up a conveyor belt with a bunch of loose laundry. So they're really on that thing and hidden by laundry, which, the laundry. So they are going up a conveyor belt with a bunch of loose laundry. Great. So they're really on that thing and hidden by laundry, which is pretty fun. But that's a set, right? Oh, yeah. I think that's a set.

Oh, yeah, yeah, right, right. I hadn't even thought about it. Yeah, totally. That is a great get. I mean, it starts with him sticking his head in a trash can and going like, oh, look, it's Epcot's empty cup exhibit. And, yeah, they're just walking through dirty pipe rooms and the laundry again stuff disney would never admit that there's like oh yeah there's really gross yeah yeah rooms underneath all this it's so fun and it's perfect gonzo and camilla yeah business yeah yeah yeah yeah um i want to

say i like piggy's eyes when she's on the roller coaster because they like change her eyes out which is really funny to make them like surprised or excited or scared anything of that nature when she's full of rage running through central park and muppets take me oh yeah yeah and that's like a grown pit that's like a yeah adult in a piggy costume yeah yeah launching and strange yeah yeah it was so funny very relatable moment with rolf where he's like uh crippled by the tyranny of too many choices where he's like there's so much here i don't know what to do we've been there were rolf uh another favorite moment uh beaker gets a lot of fun stuff he gets a bucket stuck on his head for most of this they then put a wig on oh yeah the swedish chef has a taco stand which i was a big swedish chef

kid so then on top of that on top of the funny just him selling tacos loot fish tacos and then buns and honeydew walks up and says tacos in the strangest way he says oh one of your tacos please like it's so odd um i didn't i don't have this clip prepared but just rather than just mentioning it so i don't know where it's gonna land exactly but i just wanted to get a little blast of the song that the electric mayhem does which is rocking all over the world. So fun. so fun love their logo i mean it already i i was almost wondering if this was a cover this is a similar song it's very elo it's like a sound of like of an elo song yeah yeah is that called rocking it's almost like over the world but this song's technically no wait it's it's also sort of like rock in the usa a little bit like there's like a little bit uh yeah i think the way the

yellow is rocking all over this world this is rock and rolling around the world there's a springsteen song called rocking all over the world but it's not that i think this is an original notion a lot of people want to. Oh, and it's not. Wait. And then there's all over. I'm thinking maybe thinking of John Fogerty rocking all over the world. Oh, it's a spring scene as a cover of Fogerty. Of Fogerty, Miniolo, and Xanadu, one of my favorite films, does all over the world.

Rocking's not part of that. It would be so funny if they did a cover of a song from Xanadu in the special. Oh, boy. That's my vote. That thing that goes around of replacing. Like, give me a Xanadu. a song from Xanadu in the special. Oh boy. That's my vote. That thing that goes around of replacing like give me a Muppet Xanadu. I don't know the market for it. It's this garage right here.

Yeah. He does feel like a time where we would get like a direct to streaming series of like Xanadu. Xanadu the series. Why not? They made a TV show out of the man who fell in the earth.

Xanadu is back and here's the twist. It's boring and too long. Do you want eight hours of Xanadu? And it looks much worse. But then there's like one performance where it's like, did you see Matthew Goode in Xanadu? He was really great. Xanadu? He was really great.

Xanadu Requiem? I'm just trying to think of it like that. Yeah, yeah. Ah, fine. I want it. I also really like when the weird, when almost subliminally the small world dolls, muppetized small world dolls show up

and briefly sing It's a Small World. Yeah. In a kind of demented manner it's like so like something bad happened to them i should say some of those shots in that song maybe don't stand the test of time uh-huh there's janice dressed up as a geisha oh yeah i just played that yeah

yeah yeah i think zoots got zoots got a full uh sombrero and like some odd juxtaposition of characters and uh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but yeah world showcase was a disaster waiting to happen for anything that filmed there yeah disney coasted on the existence of world showcase for like 20 years like and everyone's welcome world showcase well our job is done great yes set up diverse it is kind of crazy how everyone has like a pretty solid story in it though you know what i mean like everyone gets a lot to do for sure yeah yeah to do in a movie we haven't even talked about

like statler and waldorf yet oh boy oh yeah they sing an old timey song to an old lady it's great to a human old lady it's yeah it's really cute um rolf too has a really funny story like he they they get him into the dog they're like hey you're not supposed to be they like take him into the dog like uh hotel and then he does a a number with a bunch of dog puppets, which I always like dog. I don't know. A lot of those dog puppets were cute. The one was like snuggling Rolf during this song. That was a cute number.

What does he say when they like catch me? He's like, I have no owner. I'm my own free dog or whatever. Like, yeah, there's funny. Cause I,

that part is the start of Rolf storyline is like subtle advertising for the ability to put your dog in a place at disney world yeah which i'm sure it was but it is pretty it's pretty low-key like uh exist well you have no idea they have built a massive facility really i only know about this because paging mr morrow did a video about it but you can set your price point of how much uh comfort you want your dog like 150 a night your dog gets our own room with a flat screen tv he's walking around the park with a pocket b and he wants to set him up somewhere safe it just drops him off yeah yeah wow my jaw

dropped when you said that like people cannot see that that's crazy yeah wow i saw i think there was a man i think it was in japan uh who got who bought a life like a realistic collie costume and he wants to live like a dog okay so i wonder like if you could do that and then get for 150 bucks that's not bad for a hotel room at disney get a flat screen tv the hoaxes that go around the more insane parts of the theater sure sure is that like every elementary school is like this now you're right sure is there a price point to get your dog caught with a butterfly net there's gotta be right yeah the disney dog catcher which i assume is there too because that's basically what just look i love my dog i just want to see what it would look like

with a comical if he was on an episode of top cat i i think a big change in how people like in 30 years i think the way the comfort that dogs can get on vacation like because you can also just be staying at a disney hotel and then uh once or twice a day you can go and say hi and hang out with your dog and take them on a walk on the little you know dog park and then they go back to their room and you go back to your room. Wild. So Rolf is advertising this service, which they don't publicize

as much anymore. No. So you have to like know about it. Well, some of the hotels are dog friendly. I mean, a dog can stay in a room with you. Sure. A dog can rent a room by himself. That's's true as long as he has a credit card yeah um what else you got here laundromat stuff they get the we end up in

as you had to do as all the tgif shows did we end up in the indiana jones stone spectacular so it's exciting to see muppets with guns next to swastikas. It's very jarring. Only then. Yeah. Kermit is very sweet, though. Like, he keeps shooting guys and they go like, are you okay? I'm sorry.

Oh, yes. Making very clear his discomfort with violence and confrontation. But then Piggy comes up with, doesn't she have like the machine gun? Yeah, she's in the plane. Piggy is out of her mind. She's ready to go. She's so much angrier. She's the angriest of all the Muppets. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so there's also the Rainbow Connection performance with Raven Simone, with the young Raven Simone, which is very sweet. There's not much to say about it really, but it's sweet and cute. Credited as a little girl. What was that? She's credited as a little girl. Just a little girl. Little girl. There's not much to say about it, really. But it's sweet and cute. Credited as a little girl. What was that? She's credited as a little girl. Just a little girl. Little girl.

That's it. After a name like Quentin Fitzwaller, you want a good name. Give her a name. Give the character a name. Well, that's one of these Helen tests. Yeah. Disney, go back and give Raven-Symoné a name in this. A great performance moment.

But she starts singing a song. then kermit goes i don't believe this that's so funny that's such a great gag like there it's it you know i think the thing that people really uh one of the things people really like about classic muppet stuff is that it's self-aware but in like a charming way or like a cute way it's so low-key it's so low-key it's so subtle all the old muppet stuff not that they're like like completely playing everything over the top now but just there's such like letting things like really just throw it away yeah throw it away and it's that it's muppets that you're saying like yeah that muppet really undersold that line and it really worked yeah it's insane it's Muppets that you're saying, like, yeah, that Muppet really undersold that line, and it really worked.

Yeah. It's insane. Just nodding the camera before Deadpool did it. Sure. That's really, if you don't know the Muppets, it was kind of Deadpool before Deadpool. Yeah, pre-Deadpool. Deadpool is our Muppets. Deadpool would host if they ever reboot the Muppet show, right?

Yes. It feels like it. And I'm not advocating for that by any means. I want to be very clear. I do not want this. I don't even think that's a bad idea. Yeah, I know. I would like that, actually. You know, hey, the kids in the hall have proven to me that you can just bring

something back without any sort of new idea. Just do it again. Maybe that's the best idea. Just do it again. And maybe have the kids bring back the Muppet Show and have the kids in the hall again maybe that's the best idea just do it again and maybe have the kids and bring back the muppet show and have the kids in the hall they can oh yeah that's the best thing ever um but you know you got charles groden in this he's he's running around he's hamming it up he's in front of i think the best thing that he that he had to do things in front of theme park audiences yeah does not square with my idea of what charles gordon would want to do yeah but he

does it and does it great just big broad like reaching out and grabbing them and does he i believe he yells victory is mine in front of a crowd at the indiana jones show and you you don't really get a lot of shots of like crowds in the background watching what's happening which makes me wonder how much they like blocked off you know i wonder that in the background watching what's happening, which makes me wonder how much they blocked off. I wonder that in all these cases, what is the crowd flow? Hard to know. Because wouldn't you stop? If you just saw a bunch of Muppets filming something in 1990, I feel like.

But then also, there's probably plenty of people that were just like, I must be doing that every day here. It's Hollywood Studios. Sure. Because sometimes you'll just go into Disney and it it'll be like uh warning we're filming today sure and you won't know what it is and then later you'll be like oh like stevie wonder played a medley in front of the castle yeah yeah and you'll be like i missed it i was in the park though i was there when gavin newsom did the universal we're back with the minions oh covid is over two years

ago whatever that was i was in the park that's our generation's mission accomplished yes kevin our governor with next to a minion and grew and i assume lucille ball saying covid is done optimus prime optimus prime was there yeah so uh when i was there in uh november uh we walked by the day we checked out like there was someone uh there was a they were filming stuff for the christmas specials and like from a distance we could see like oh wow they're really i didn't know you could go that far down on like the grass next to the castle i hope they don't like trip in that little stream or whatever the king was like that's darren chris well whoever it is i hope they're watching their feet yeah i hope so yeah um so i mean if we missed anything along the way to the to rounding up the muppets and taking them to to mickey's office yeah so rizzo kind of manipulating charles groden to buy him treats is really fun. The one

handsome pig actor, Patrick, what's his name? Link Hogthrob. Thank you. I didn't know that was a name. He has a very funny line to Grodin that's like, do you know where I can buy some masculine t-shirts featuring cute little mice?

Wow, that's so funny. Oh yeah, because Rizzo's like the thing about the Muppets is you gotta look Featuring cute little mice. Wow. That's so funny. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because Rizzo's like, the thing about the Muppets is you got to look out for weird, insane things. And then he comes over and says that. And he's like, just like that. Yeah. Like, yeah.

Wait a minute. That was a Muppet. I'm a delight. I think he then, so he rounds them up and he's on the phone with Mickey. He refers to them as the Kismet gang. And then Mickey runs, I'm sorry, Kermit runs interference because he's met Mickey somewhere. Sure. Did he say where he's met Mickey?

Well, he had to sign a lot of contracts. Yeah, yeah, they've been putting him to work. It's a lot of stress. Oh, he does. He says they're both in fassa oh what did that stand for yeah the fictional fictional or furry animal furry animal society of america screen actors something yeah something like that i mean all look all the muppets should be in fassa you know they gotta work on yeah it's not the first time i've heard of the henson company having union issues so so we round we round everybody up we go to kermit's office it's uh uh one of the finest cinematic moments ever i mean it is just great seeing an anime like animated characters with i think so many of my favorite Muppet scenes

involve like them all meeting somebody at a desk like Orson Welles. It really is very similar to the Orson Welles scene. Yeah. A lot of build up. Yeah. This guy and then I mean similar because I like in the new movie one of the best things in the new movie is when they all like

pretend to be one guy in a big Oh yeah. Imagine if they switched the best things in the new movie is when they all like pretend to be one guy and a big oh yeah yeah so imagine if they switched the orson and the mickey scenes though so it's mickey at the end of the muppet movie and orson at the end of i don't it does not make sense yeah but doesn't quite work time if you know no no no now imagine you switch mickey out at the end of hyperspace hoopla for orson welles oh now i'm now it's a surprise oh man orson whipping and nae nae i just want to feel this moment orson style yes we know a remote we know a remote farm

so yeah they meet Mickey says welcome to the family it's kind of a it's a weird the Muppets are dancing with the devil looking back this was a moment that shouldn't have happened but it did

it really feels like and now here we go. We are all friends. And instead, it became very strange and spotty. I think there's also a little bit of Mickey, Miss Piggy connection. He kind of gives her a look a little bit. Mm-hmm. Hey. Mm-hmm.

It's straying eyes. Hey, he's a big star, you know? I would be A little attracted to him You met Mickey Oh if you're Piggy Yeah Oh okay

Wait you're saying It's the other way I don't remember Who was into I have it as that Mickey was into I mean That's what I mean

Oh I see what you're saying It's reversed Who was into who Yeah I feel like Piggy's Into Mickey I think it's a little Mickey's happy

With Mickey I imagine Yeah Yeah sure But you never know whose hall passes but piggy and kermit are on the outs and they've even made well i know that mike's is mini it is mini yeah that's true so you know but but i'm saying kermit and uh piggy have had on and again off again sure sure sure versus mickey and mini which always seems to be uh constant pretty so yeah there's never really been a other than that uh stick it up your stick it up your ass fresh man what's that wash your head soak your head fresh boy soak your head fresh boy but what's the context of is that is that mickey disguised as fresh man

fresh man freshman that's a fast times line yeah yeah yeah i'm confusing yeah very similar what is the is the context of that that mickey is disguised as mini and being hit on by mortimer or mortimer mouse yeah it's i forget exactly it's in one of the old comics. Wow. I'm trying to remember. But either way, somebody says the phrase, soak your head, fresh boy. Yeah.

And that was a whole confusing thing too because that was in a short that had the same name as a short that played at the Main Street where like an exclusive thing. But then there's this other thing from the 90s that both had the same generic kind of name. What's that name? What's it called?

I forget what it's called. Here's the look, by the way. This kind of like closed eyebrow, like half eyebrow. So I think I'm calling this Mickey. Is that a windbreaker? I think it's a cardigan. Oh, is it?

Okay. Or maybe it's a members only He sports a members only a few times Patrick thoughts on Denise Oh I mean this is Now we're getting into complicated territory No no no Denise I mean for people who don't know Denise is Kermit's

New girlfriend Big girlfriend when him and Piggy break up on the abc show i mean they don't do anything with her you know what i mean like i she's not meant to be a full character a full character it's just like it's a joke it's a joke character yeah yeah i haven't thought about denise very much i i'm i'm seeing the headline from mtv in defense of denise the world's most hated muppet. I didn't know that that was true. I don't know if I agree with that headline. She can't be the most hated

when Waldo exists, you know? Do people not like Waldo? I don't think people like Waldo. Oh, really? I love Waldo. I think Waldo's funny, but I don't think people like Waldo. There wasn't a lot of Waldo. I guess if Waldo wasn't in Muppets 3D,

I guess I could see why you would not like him. He's in Jim Henson Hour a little bit. Okay. But that's it. But I could see where you would, but because he's so tied to my childhood. Sure. I do like him, yeah.

And I have a toy of him. Do you? I didn't know toys existed of him. Here's a Parkstar. It's a Parkstar, yeah. You're ruining my bank account. Thank you. Mm-hmm. I didn't know toys existed of him. There's a Park Star. It's a Park Star, yeah. You're ruining my bank account. Thank you. Well, it's going to be expensive, I think, because it's a couple years old.

Like I said. Yeah. That one might not be so bad. A few of the Park Stars are very expensive. Wow. There is a Waldo, yeah. Waldo turns into Mickey. That's true.

It's a trick. That's right. Palisades never made a Waldo. And that's one of the greatest regrets of my life. Yeah. You can't blame it on yourself. You really can't. So then, I don't know, welcome to the family.

And then we get one big last musical number. And they, Jason, you were saying, they put their hands in the handprint, in the cement. And there's a very funny gag where they go back to the swamp. And then they go, oh, no, we left Miss Piggy in the uh uh in the handprint in the cement and there's a very funny gag where they go back to the swamp and then they go oh no we left miss biggie in the cement and i don't know i still don't quite know how they do the muppets standing like when the muppets are free standing always like well that's a magic trick i don't understand it's similar to what because one of those jim henson hours shows you how waldo works, which is early motion control. So you're looking at an unadorned Muppet. It just looks like you put your hand into two shoes and it's picking up all of the, I mean, it's how they operated the mouths on the Ninja Turtles or on dinosaurs.

So it's like, it's really early motion capture it's also same thing at the end of muppet 3d when he's on the fire truck going through yeah like that's motion i guess rizzo is on like charles groden holds rizzo in his hand at one point and then puts him on his shoulder and he's kind of moving around yeah i mean it could be like usually now they will just you know green screen the guy out from behind him sometimes they do like mirrors where they'll have like forward facing mirrors so you just see the ground in front of you like reflected back okay and that's kind of a shot that's far enough away where maybe that was the case but i don't know because she's moving a lot yeah you know this is probably a glorified

like rc car i'm sure that's what it is yeah yeah yeah remote yeah you know your phone has 400 more times computing power than it ever had yeah yeah yeah but they i mean they back way up they like yeah truck all the way down hollywood it's really fun and uh yeah you get by the end just so small and sad down there. It's really wonderful. While they're saying there's a new family ties on tonight, I think that's what... Hold on, it's weirder. Well,

Scott, you can say that. Well, you go ahead if you have it. I don't know. Well, here, let me see if I just have the actual clip. Well, let's see. There's different versions, so who knows? Hang on. Might take a sec. Well, let's see. There's different versions, so who knows? Might take a sec. Look, I wish I had it. for a furry feline. Alf is smitten with a kitten. Then there's no place like home on the special season finale of

227 Tonight, only on NBC. 227? Those were the two that I heard. So, yeah, I mean, I like that the story on Alf tonight is that Alf is chasing after a kitten. Isn't that one of the primary episodes?

Yeah. How do we hook them? How do we make sure we watch this sweeps episode of ALF? But it really sounds like that episode is ALF has a crush on a cat and maybe he doesn't want to eat it. It says he's smitten with a kitten. Right.

Also, guys, that ended up being the series finale of 227 of Marla Gibbs and Jackie Harry's 227 Wow I also own an elf puppet now Puppet? Yeah a new elf puppet I pre-ordered the action figure

Oh yeah me too Just make a chair It was almost the series finale of elf If not wait a minute. I'm not seeing it, though. Just Command-F smitten? I'm just seeing it as the... It might have been a rerun, actually.

I don't know. I'll sort out these ALF specifics off air. Wait, it was a rerun because ALF finished on March 24th, 1990. Another tragedy in early 1990. How did anyone go on? That is also a different world. Could you imagine a network nowadays?

Like, this show is ended, so we're going to show a few months of reruns. Oh, yeah, yeah. That is weird, yeah. Oh, wait, I found it. The episode's called Live and Let Die, and Alf adopts a group of kittens for a meal. This is funny.

That's good. However, after one kitten grows fond of Alf, he begins to question his personal view. Whoa. Wow. An existential crisis. We were writing it off as like yeah calm all right yeah big breaking news elf wants to eat a cat no no we wanted to eat a bunch of kittens and now we're revamping the entire vegetarian question yeah a very special elf is what it sounds like

does he still like to put on sunglasses and play guitar who is this elf man oh um a line real quick that is another again i hate to keep bringing these up things that don't happen anymore when uh kermit is and miss piggy are doing the indiana jones stunt show and she's just firing the giant gun in the plane kermit yells miss piggy how are we going to explain this to big bird it It's so fast. It almost gets clipped, but I'm pretty sure he says, how are we going to explain this to Big Bird? But what does that even mean? Like, how are we going to explain this violence

we're committing to Big Bird? Wow. Who is the mind of a child. What if he's just talking about the Nazis in general? Well, that's true. That's a big conversation. How do you explain World War II to a six-year-old bird? It's tough enough to

explain death in general sure big bird that was very moving it shouldn't be i mean all the muppets share this burden together yeah uh the last waldo park stars that sold sold on march 23rd for 24.99 shipping that being said i don't see one on eBay. Wow. Okay. So hopefully if one pops up, it'll be around there. I guess I'll set up an alert like everything else in my life. They won't let me set up any more alerts. They say, you have 200.

You can't do any more. You got it. We just discovered the sheer volume of alerts on Mike's phone. Oh, yeah. This is meant to be. This is bringing that's great it's in mickey i got a lot of twitter alerts for deals and sure wario 64 and you know wario 64 i assume yeah yeah it's so yeah there's a lot going on okay well wow um okay so

wonderful special good time to talk about it i also like char Charles Grodin having to, he gets demoted and has to like clean up a bunch of gum under a bench at the end. A lot of blast. Great performers, great performances. So much fun. You think Grodin's still working there?

That fictional. Quentin, Quentin Fitzwallis? Fitzwaller? Did he get hired back after the furloughs? Good question. That's a great question.

Yeah. Or did he seem like edgy to them? I imagine they fire him for losing all those keys. That's like. I mean, that's probably, yeah. And for just, I don't know if they ever like charged the Muppets for admission for that. So they lost a lot of money. Do you think that's why the deal didn't go through?

Oh, they made people mad. Yeah. It's actually all there they planted the seeds due to the bumbling of quentin he ruined the whole thing yeah he's responsible for everything bad that happened to any muppet performer after this oh no well it's just his character not groden the character yeah yeah yeah yes but yeah the fictional face of evil that's right on him but funny to see the disney parks acknowledge the existence of gum one of walt's original nemesis we haven't talked about that much on the show but you cannot buy gum yeah in disney parks oh is that

right yeah because they don't want it everywhere yeah and they're right it would be everywhere yeah be everywhere that's a good call yeah Yeah. So I think for many years you could buy cigarettes but not gum. They're easier to pick up. That's true. Yeah. Yeah.

So you can bring gum in the park though. You could. Yeah, you can bring it. I've chewed gum on rides. Wow, brag. Jeez. Okay.

That's a little reckless for me, Michael. What is your mother going to say about that? She wouldn't like it because she wouldn't want me to choke. Jeez. Okay. That's a little reckless for me, Michael. What is your mother going to say about that? She wouldn't like it because she wouldn't want me to choke. Yeah. She's right. Very. She hears this, she's going to be upset.

Mm-hmm. Jeez. Well, what a blast. So fun to talk about it. Hey, I think Patrick Conner, you survived Podcast The Ride. Wow. We did it. Thank you so much for giving us a lovely afternoon to spend an afternoon talking about the muppets uh hey let's exit to

the gift shop is there anything you'd like to plug oh man okay uh yeah george lucas talk show you can watch any episode on youtube uh i recommend just finding a guest that you like and then just i mean listen i see three guests right in front of me right now that's a good one that's a weird one that's a weird one to start with but there's a lot of good people uh and you can you know find one that you like um rap it's tonight yeah you did we did yeah we watched all of muppets tonight with a bunch of the performers the writers and the producers and everybody um that was a fun one um you can rat scraps is an improv show in new york it's it was ask at at ucb and then that changed when the theater closed we're doing it every sunday you can stream it

online um or you can come watch in person uh you can follow me on twitter it's at patrick cottner and right now trying to get more followers than the canceled nbc show about a boy so what are the hurdles you've already made it? We've already gone past animal practice 1600 pen the blacklist redemption Marlon and

now we're at about a boy. I think that's all Wayne's. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. The accounts are started for all of these crazy alpha counts and could you be there? Well, there's a new alpha. There's a new one. He's been doing a lot yeah wow the accounts are started for all of these isn't that crazy they're an alpha count and could you be there well there's a new alpha there's a new one he's been doing a lot recently for real so that's wait a minute that's not out of range that's 9 000 he's actually not that close to us we're we're i think we're we're edging ahead but 9 000 that's pretty close 15 yeah yeah what

are you at uh i'm like 86 Maybe 8600 Somewhere around there Oh so it's completely In the Oh yeah That's not bad Yeah 8632 Wow

Okay It feels like the Prime and Alpha Comeback Yeah Well he was just sold He was sold to Shout Factory

Yeah And then there's rumors He's gonna be Spoiler alert In the Guardians Of the Galaxy 3 Really? There's a big push i don't know if

it's probably a cameo if it is indeed the case but like what happens a lot of the time and i was just made aware of this there's a licensing expo that happens in las vegas which like you know all of a sudden you see like oh golden girls has like every piece of merchandise like all of a sudden there's sweatshirts and everything you go to this licensing thing yeah and people make pitches based on what they own to get characters and stuff back out there. So like all of a sudden when you go, yeah, like elf,

what, why is there all this elf stuff? It's because there was like a guy who owns elf or as a representative pushing that on a lot of companies to make elf stuff. So like elf right now, NECA is making the elf toy. This company kid robot makes those puppets of elf, which is owned by the, they're both owned by the same guy who also owns Graceland

and also owns Loot Crate. Wow. And owns a bunch of stuff, random stuff. So yeah, sometimes there's a push. So I believe you're right. I think there's a push now for Alf to get back out there again. Now, here's what I'll say. I've tried to get Alf and his friend, Paul Fusco on the lucas show uh-huh yes wow and i'm gonna i'm gonna say let's start the campaign

right now guys oh sure so if you're listening to this you know tweet at the alf official account say to have them come on towards this talk show because he was don't follow alf because then they'll get yes yes do not follow him follow me uh on. Okay, so this is real in the woods. There was a Target event in conjunction with NECA and Kid Robot a couple months ago called the Hallathon, which is a confusing thing where they just release a bunch of new stuff they want you to buy, and it's on a website. But they were having Mark Summers do videos to host the Hallathon, and he talked to his good friend, Paul Fusco. So Fusco is down to talk to mark summers via video okay a little

so i'm he's out there he's he and he was he was on the show duncanville alpha's on duncanville and okay he does a little funny bit there all right so fusco is around seemingly game but yeah maybe he's completely sold alpha off now i don't know i don't know his i don't know alphazine donald trump uh funny or die mood oh yeah yeah donald trump we all remember it he was on the goldbergs too he's been on a couple things yeah yeah so yeah and you want him as elf and uh get into this licensing here's what i'll say i want him as alf oh yeah i want him as paul fusco i want whatever i'll i have the puppet so i can do elf if you want i'm working have the puppet, so I can do Elf if you want. I'm working on the voice.

Not there yet, but it's close. There's days when it sounds, some days Lindsay goes, oh yeah, you got it. And then I lose it. You just got to work on Willie. That's your way in. Oh, for sure. That's it. That helps you get into it.

Yeah. It takes a lot of energy too, even though he's a laid back guy. Sure. Have you ever seen his talk show? Yeah. Okay, great. There's a clip online. I follow this Elf Instagram. There's an Elf Instagram of instagram of all the clips yeah i think it's bring back elf i believe and it's just constant elf stuff ads commercials stuff he's never there was a i think there was a

scarface parody that somebody posted yesterday great uh maybe i'm wrong but then there was a clip from his talk show with ed mcmahon yeah but do you know i'm talking about there's a young woman on the show and she's got got a tattoo of Elf or something. And Ed is going in to touch her. And Elf's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Ed, you can't do this, Ed. Oh, my God. It's from 2006.

Wild show. So, yes, Elf's talk show. Then can we put you on the spot? Can you say thanks for subscribing to The Second Gate? All right. I'm doing this too early, but I'll do it. I want to say, okay, it is Scarface. It's El Ficino, and it's Furface.

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Don't don't. Don't don't. Yeah, El Ficino is Furface. Director, yeah. Jack and Jill. Yeah, Al Pacino has fur face. Director of Photography Kit E. Litter. Oh, God. So what am I saying as Alf?

Thanks for subscribing to The Second Gate. Thanks for subscribing to The Second Gate. It's close. It's not bad. We should just throw Willie in there

and then see what happens. Willie, I'm Alf. Thanks for subscribing to the second gate i think you're right that's that's a keyword i got it i got it closer in that second time yeah willie is a keystone and you know it's good impression when you say i'm blank also he's reminding reminding Willie who he is. I think Willie knows. I think Willie knows. Okay. Well, yeah.

Mike, keep working on it. Alf will be back in some form. It could be Mike, could be not. And, hey, this was a great episode talking about a 1990 piece of Disney video content. There may be another episode about a 1990 piece of Disney video content. There may be another episode about a 1990 piece of Disney video content. But where, you ask, where will our episode about such a thing be? Well, stay tuned because big announcements coming. We'll leave that as a mysterious tease.

It's a tease, Willie. It's a tease. It's a tease.