Podcast: The Ride - Unlocked: We're Too Excited To Sleep

Episode Date: January 12, 2024

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FOREVER! DOG! 5, 4, 3, 2, 1! We're too excited to podcast. It's Podcast to Ride the Second Gate. I'm Scott Gardner. Mike Carlson, hi. Hi.

Hi. Hi. Are you too excited to say more than hi? Yes. I'm so concise in my words. But now you're doing it. I guess you're going to. Yeah.

Jason. What do you think podcasting's going to be like? They say every year it's more magical than ever. The Hollywood Reporter says it's more magical than ever. Folks, either you know this one or you don't i don't think they're because if you've seen it you can never unsee it um and it's like it's simultaneously it's a a big part i feel like of theme park and disney world culture and we've nodded to it here and there yeah this is the first i imagine by

anyone anywhere deep dive into a particular commercial that disney world put out in 2002 uh one that you can only call i think it has a real name but i think you can only call it we're too excited to sleep yeah this feels like when you sent this in our group text this felt like a manchurian candidate activation like had not thought about it in a long time besides tangentially touching upon it on this show and then as soon as you did can i i hate to just go back to like saying what we said in text messages but you said something so funny in a text message you said it you said something along the lines like scott said like should we do this but you said something so funny in a text message. You said something along the lines, like Scott said, like, should we do this?

And you said, excuse me, can you repeat that? As if we were like in real life or something, instead of just saying, oh, what are you talking about? Or like, could you clarify that? You said like, could you repeat that? You said something along the lines of maybe Phil. Well, we were talking about another topic. We were talking about another topic

and you two had a full conversation and I was like running around town. Maybe I'll cut this out, but I'm pretty sure it was. No, I did say that. I did say that. It just amused me because you were like, whoa, slow down. Repeat that. No, no. It almost felt like, are you serious

man? That's what it felt like to me is what I'm saying. No, that was more like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm an idiot. I'm confused. I just want to make sure I understand this correctly. I think you are a little incorrect, Mike, because I do remember I said, like, should we do an episode about this? I sent a gif of a child who is the star

of this, and I felt support right away. And honestly, I think we were too excited to do this. We backed up other topics. You're going to have to get in line, buddy, because we got a 30-second ad to talk about for way more than 30 seconds sure can i um tease this is the first second gate of september oh yeah and we're sort of officially back yeah yeah hiatus at least here yeah yeah oh absolutely so at the end of the episode i'd like to announce my birthday shot your birthday shot because your birthday is in early october but uh we'll do it

a little early to clear the haunt cast season yes so you know what you're doing you know what shot you're calling well it involves a little legwork so which i will take care of you okay but you want to run the legwork by us yes because i haven't mentioned it so far no no we have not yeah we're in the dark on this okay wow wow So a lot of business to handle here. Future topics jumping out. But before we could go any further, you know, you've been waiting for us to come back on the second gate for a while. What are they going to return with?

What monolith of theme park culture? And it is this, an absolutely unforgettable piece of theme park media. Maybe the best thing to do here for anyone who doesn't know or needs the Manchurian Candidate activation is to just play the ad. So, again, this is from 2002. The actual name of it is Anticipation, which appears on screen. And that's why we know. It's a very, like, Folgers coffee ad ad kind of i don't think they do this anymore i don't think the little like ad auteurs name their pieces right right same way well maybe they do but behind the scenes and we

don't know yeah and they're and they're always referred like like saying really quickly the uh um you know you know so so like so we're all right soda machine we're gonna do soda machine and you know i'm thinking back on soda machine it's like how do we top the heights of soda machine i hate to give a little but i hate to be too inside baseball here but on the you know jason and i've done some commercials and you do see the name of the commercial that they don't say in the actual 30 second or 15 second spot so the allstate commercial i was in forever was called check please wow but i never said Check Please. Nobody ever says Check Please in it?

Is that line in it? No, I don't think so. Unless Dennis Haysburg said it, but I don't think he did. Yeah. Sometimes I wonder, are there new listeners? This is another,

I think ads are all like mentoring candidate activations. What they're supposed to do is like lodging your brain and then you're buying something or paying for something and you don't know why. Sometimes I wonder if people

remember your ad, like you and this girl at the table and then i'm sure we've talked about on the show before but like it was one of those where there was a period where like every time i'd met you and then every time i was in a bar it was always on like if you're in a bar for an hour it shows up crazy it was yeah it was great occasionally you get that title and like the sentence you're supposed i i've been on shoots where they are like hey let's go to set and i'm like hey um no one has given me a script oh well that's the thing you only have to say a sentence so they just hand you the storyboard another thing where you're just like oh you just kind of get they just push you and they go hey do this and you go what of get, they just push you and then they go, Hey, do this. And you go, what am I doing?

They go, Oh yeah, sorry. I just push you. I forgot that part. Yeah. A director showed me a really cool diagram. They had doodled once too.

It was like, this sentence needs to be two seconds. This needs to be three. This needs to be 10. Then there's a card for five seconds. And I was like, that is insanely impressive that you did that, but it makes sense. Keeping that math.

You get a free breakfast quesadilla. Oh, you lunch oh yeah best yeah um well yeah this this is a clearly like down to the minute 30 you know down to the second 30 second ad where it's like things are overlapping you can tell it's like and then they got their messaging to put in oh yeah um but the only thing the listeners need to know is that it is uh a child's bedroom, and it's a brother entering his sister's bedroom, and it is the bluest, glowiest suburban room you've ever seen. It's all in extreme close-ups, I would say. It's all about emotion. It feels like E. It's all about emotion. It feels like E.T. is about to join or something.

The room feels Amblin-y to me. It feels like they may as well just go to the window and see an alien friend. Childhood magic. Something's in the air. That's completely clear. Before the famous line even is said. Also, I thought this ad was a lot older. And then at some point, they show disney world logo and a website so and i was like oh this is much more recent than i anticipated yeah i didn't know either uh when it was from and now i know um some of the the forums in which it

appeared i'm sure it was on television but also on some tapes and that might be why we know it really well um but anyway let's let it speak for itself and uh let a famous quote be be said uh here's the full ad anticipation are you sleepy no what do you think it's gonna be like mom says there's even more magical stuff now. Okay, guys. Back to bed. We're too excited to sleep. Imagine how excited your kids will be when their favorite Disney stories come to life on a magical Walt Disney World vacation. You sleep? No, I'm too excited.

I heard that. Beep boop, beep boop. Very like old McDonald's ad. The hijinks of McDonald's and Ronald's and ronald and fun um so you know there's all right it's like it's a nice little scene at the beginning uh then you get some good disney world footage and a website and a and a a dad act look this the parents are are fine but how much does this dad eat shit to the kid? In terms of winning the ad, he's nowhere close. Not even in the ballpark.

He should have done the... Somebody should have directed him to do it, like the kid at least. Oh, like a little more of a... Maybe they didn't know. Maybe they didn't know what take they had, what magic they had. That's a good point. Because, like, I just wanted to give the full context, but obviously all you need to know about is this.

We're too excited to sleep. We're too excited to this. We're too excited to sleep. We're too excited to sleep. We're too excited to sleep. It's almost Gilbert Gottfried. It is. Wow. Absolutely. You know what's interesting?

The kid didn't actually talk like that. That was a character that he put on. His regular voice is totally normal. I don't know. I feel like that's a kid saying something in a way only a kid can say. I feel like that's not a delivery you could prompt someone for. I don't think so. And imagine just reading the script for that and the copy for that,

and maybe it's an okay ad. And they did a lot of ads around this time in this style, with the little name next to the little mouse ears at the top and it's you know what we're not just going to show shots of the rides this is about the emotion and about like how your kids are going to feel and how their relationships are going to grow right from you going to disney where there were there were a lot of these but none of them have the staying power of this moment which is absolutely just an organic, weird little kid moment. Yeah.

It's pretty remarkable. Very iconic out of the gate. First time you ever saw it. Well, you want to know, like, did the kid audition like this? Or did they, like, say to the kid, you're going to Disney World tomorrow to juice him up? And then after the take said, that was a lie. Yeah, you're not going, by the way. I mean, you can go if your parents pay a lie yeah you're not going by the way check okay

i mean you can't go if your parents pay up but we're not we're not gonna ban you from going we don't have the power to do that you're getting your non-union 150 dollars for this commercial kid you see if mommy and daddy pay up though technically it's not look it's actually for vhs pre-roll so those ads are different so those rules are different so yeah and so you don't get anything from that i don't know um i yeah i don't know i don't know what prompted it but just imagine if it's the exact same ad all right come on kids we're too excited to sleep nothing no one remembers it nobody ever talks about it that's what how they would do it now i think so i don't think they would allow for it's like too weird can we get a more normal one can we just get kind of like a more there'd be so many there'd be immediately a flood of like 12 identical people like yeah we're wondering if

we i mean he did great he's doing really great just note the thing to death they bring in a kid that was like went to like nyu junior like a little acting school in NYU, and was like, I am too excited to sleep. And then they'd be like, that's great. We love that. The kid of some, it's like John Hartnett, Josh Hartnett's son. Yeah, of course. He's like, it's got to be somebody, or he's some billionaire's kid or whatever. A situation where a director will say,

throw it away, which usually translates to just have a lot of content for the mush mouth of line, just barely get it out. And then a kid actor who will say, I love that. Uh-huh, uh-huh.

And it's like, well, that's a weird thing for an eight-year-old to say. Do you think just throwing it away is a good thing to say to a kid because then it make it gets it could shake them out of uh their like stiff kid actorness we've talked about that in various specials yeah kids have a mode that and understandably i'm in performance mode i have to talk this way i have to be a little robot i mean i i take that to mean say it very dry don't have a lot of inflection and don't make it too funny you know don't deliver it too much so it might be good for a kid actor just throw it away to get uh related the question gets

us off the kid a little bit but um with you both as uh esteemed commercial yes um has the direction just have fun with it ever helped it's a very good question just have fun with it if it's helped in the sense that it's ever been used no for sure no because i know you're told this in auditions and i'm i think and you're probably like i only just caught up with what this is. It is not fun. It's all jargon. There is no way for a real human being to have fun with it. That's just something a dumb person says because they have seen other directors say it.

If just have fun with it means do whatever you want, I've had fun in the take, but it's never been used. Yeah. Yes. Because it doesn't make sense. Then you're piecing it together and like, well, I'm glad they all had fun. It is unusable. I mean, I didn't do something completely unused.

I would try to get in the zone of usable, but yeah, just have fun with it. Or yeah, do one one like a fun one sometimes somebody would say hey let's do a fun one or on this take yeah on this take uh do whatever you want or something but yeah no no not usable but if you if you having fun with it takes longer than two seconds then there's no room for and some comedy premises or choices require a little tangent yeah that's what i was gonna say it's gonna be long and it's probably gonna be weird and you're not gonna use that yeah doesn't have a it doesn't fit in a tight little thing like this there are there are videos i mean maybe they've been deleted but there are videos of me in callbacks just like 10 minutes of

just of having fun with it 30 minutes gibberish crazy one you're just giving it away and not gotten hired well i just on some of them i have on the g commercial the first thing i ever booked there is a video of me i think improvising for 25 minutes in the room at a second callback and there's no dialogue in the spot none of the characters say anything you see my face for about two seconds and they worked me so hard in that callback i've gotten someone's given me a soda they're like we're so sorry you're still here here's a soda i have only once or twice been there so long i've got a check in the mail because sag rules are such that they're supposed to pay or ever after no auditions oh after yeah

auditions yes it's very rare yes yeah they have to really uh over two hours technically something like that you have to make sure to sign in and out to indicate it but it's only a callback then you just gotta like suddenly become charlie chaplin with the sign in you out to indicate it but it's only a callback then you just gotta like suddenly become charlie chaplin with the sign in you have to like yeah yeah you know like then you slip and then the papers go everywhere and there's a mess to clean up and like no no no i'll get it and then like you make the the the ink go everywhere if you can just like through business make your audition take longer than two hours you just wrote yourself a check sure they have a person though monitoring that list at a callback very very aggressively often not all the time yeah

so you gotta you gotta deal with the list meister yeah yeah you would really have to they're on they've they've experienced this scheme before yes mr magoo yeah yeah hello hello it's like a stick you're like hitting around. I can't see anything. Whoopsies. And the person, the listmeister just kind of listlessly ducks right when the cane comes her way. He's like, I've experienced this before. Yeah, yeah. I know somebody who's doing business to write themselves a check.

Oh, the listmeister went to lunch. So sorry. Yeah, no, we'll sign you out. This doesn't matter because usually now it's just like in a on a macbook like a webcam just like doing it from your house yeah well hard to make that take longer than two hours yeah and i think all i think i can't even book i can't book a goddamn commercial to save my life anymore i had the hottest streak of all time for a few years this is this is gonna be like glory the bruce Springsteen Glory Day song where I'm just like, you know what?

There was one year. GE, DirecTV, Allstate, Taco Bell, German Beer, a German beer company. Only aired in Germany. Well, is this, as you've done before, a message to any ad bookers in their audience? On the Patreon? On the Patreon. I mean, yeah, I guess it's possible. Very hyper-specific casting for actors.

Yeah. I mean, it's possible, I guess, if you're out there. No, this is not the direct pathetic plea I've made on the main feed. Yeah. You need to cast a wide net to do that. Yeah, that's on purpose. Look, let's get back to this kid's glory days. Of course.

His glory take. I mean, have many commercial actors scaled this height? Is there a more memorable kid line? I mean, there's been, you know, there's like, there's Where's the Beef? I was going to say, what are the most iconic commercials we remember in general? It's like, it's not this for most people. You have to kind of be into disney world to know this yeah yeah on a wide scale um but i but it's it does feel up there to me

in terms of quotability relatability um i our commercials and add this quotable anymore well it's hard because so many people skip commercials and you got different ways to watch tv so i feel like we're not we don't collectively all see the same ads yeah this is some this is some monoculture right here we're all watching the tapes and seeing abc shows with disney world ads i watch mostly professional wrestling uh on wednesday nights and the ad i see the most is frank Thomas' ad for something called Nugenics. Right? Nugenics, which is, I think, a low-T, like a low-T pill or a low-T powder. Yeah, I looked at it.

I read about it. It's not actually testosterone. It's all just vitamins and ginseng and all that. Okay, so it's a natural way to boost testosterone. It's not some sort of aggressive testosterone replacement. And they didn't call you in for this one, Mike? Not yet. Well, they know my testosterone is still actually pretty high.

Oh. You know? They wouldn't, people wouldn't believe it. They know I'm, you know, maybe an older man at this point, but they don't believe that I would have low T. They check levels. Big Hurt is 60 years old, even though he looks great. And maybe we should doubt that he even have low T. They check levels. Big Hurt is 60 years old, even though he looks great. And maybe we should doubt that he even has low T,

because he's a celebrated athlete, and he looks great. So I don't know. They should have, though. I should have at least been on the callback list. You can play low T. It doesn't mean you have low T if you can play low T. You're right. You're right.

Yeah. I looked it up after I saw that. Were you going to get it? Well, I was interested in it. I bet your tea's pretty high. I think my tea's pretty high. I bet it's high. When Jane comes on the show, that's to be believed.

We'll double check the tea. That's a very good point. Go back and check those episodes out. Listen to those episodes. This motherfucker's got the highest tea on the show. So it... I guess he puts the T in PTR. A couple of Ts, brother.

So, on the commercial, they're like, you get it for free, but I think the hook is that they automatically sign you up for a monthly plan, because otherwise it's like $70 at GNC or CVS or whatever. Okay, so you can just buy a bottle or a big tub. Why'd you want to buy this? Huh?

Why'd you want to buy this? I don't know, just fucking around. But it seems like a thing. I feel like you've complained about people running their powder scams, you know, right-wing grifter, and suddenly like, ooh, a powder thing, a non-scam. Let me just run the pricing. What? It's a scam. I don't know.

I'm a mark sometimes. I like to be worked, you know. Well, you're watching ads. They show this during wrestling all the time. They show it during AEW. There's a line in like, and they like it too, or like, and she likes it too. And it's like a lady like, meaning like, yeah, and then we fuck sometimes.

I'm an older man. man like that's what it is yeah i'm not look grow up if you're upset with what i just said me too right yeah i don't have to take the powder to get that's the most famous from it that's the most famous commercial i know at this point but that's a current commercial it's not i'm not saying it's like where's the beef or i don't know to you well this is this speaks to the like fractional nature of ads right after our imaginations the way this um we've we've sure done a lot of talk of tea for a dad about a little uh kid well there's a dad there's a tired dad uh very dry delivery from the dad by the way uh it seems like I don't care for it.

You don't like it? No. I think it's mostly set up for the, the daughter to go, I heard that. Yeah. How can she hear it?

That's what I want to know. Yeah. He says it so quietly, yeah. And he, and she's just full volume as if she's, maybe she's just in the room.

So of course she can hear it. Right. Because. I guess in that, yeah, with that logic, yeah. Mm-hmm.

But what a gig. Lying flat on your back with your eyes closed delivering one line what a gig that's the analyze like that's like monday night football where you get out the the board and you circle things on a play if jason can analyze commercials and how comfortable each role was on the actual day i would really like that not swimming at all all. Not like me and Hulu. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you could do a Twitch channel where you get out the board,

like the John Madden board, where you can circle on live television. Or Vanity Fair does these break down a scene things. Yes. So Jason breaks down how comfortable the actor's got to be. No, no, just a ballpark,

like going right for commercial actors at this time. So if you think about what they're making per hour and they're spending most of that hour in a bed, this guy's got it be. No, no, just a ballpark going rate for commercial actors at this time. So if you think about what they're making per hour and they're spending most of that hour in a bed, this guy's got it made. He's got it made. You see this Best Buy commercial here. Grandpa here never actually has to sit in the chair, meaning he was in the chair from the start of the shoot till the end of the shoot.

This is a good day for Grandpa. This would be an A plus role. Like this would be a, I would, this by the way is a great idea for you to do. And then doing like, then it's like a Wheaties ad where Wheaties gives somebody the energy to go do a track meet and Jason's like no, no, no, X, X, X never, do not answer

this call back. If you get it, don't get tricked into doing a track and field spot. The whole spot is him sprinting. You know how many times he probably had to do that? At least 15 times because look at all the different shots. Look at all the different setups.

You can tell it's the same man. They did not use an extra. No doubles. No doubles. So this would not have been a good day on set. Now maybe he's wearing his own t-shirt and slacks.

Maybe he gets an extra $40 for using his own t-shirt and slacks. Now that is good. That would be good. Unlikely, but that doesn't count for shoes or belt. It's technically a dry cleaning fee. Oh, yeah. Now, the dad, he's covered up by a sheet, which means probably they were not even, if

they weren't considering pajama pant, then he probably just brought his own. What I'm saying is I think he avoided maybe an elongated try day so you know so so it's less time for him and that if you can never see you have your bottom half shown now you're saving valuable time this could be the newest stream this is a master class you're gonna say twitch stream of me sleeping because there are people who live stream them sleeping let's do that too let's put that together as well no no this actually is going to be more work for you but oh look this is a four hours he slept on the couch and now he's moving to the bed after he brushes his teeth let's just turn a webcam on in your

bedroom then i guess if there's a slip there's a now you got a truman show it oh yeah yeah that's true if you need a couch cam and a bed yeah all right well either either option is fine for what we're gonna do okay um let me okay we can talk about okay question question one what is it that makes this particular delivery so compelling is it like is it the way he does it is it the emotion is it the relatability of feeling this way about disney world or about any vacation any like big exciting day you got coming up well here what's really the core of why we remember this i would say number one it's cute it's very cute the way he says it and you you understand it immediately you've seen it you've done it you've said you've said it before to your parents i think i've come around i i i do think

it's cute and it's easier for me to think it's cute now having a toddler and like knowing what fun it is to have a little goober running around saying weird stuff yeah yeah in your house i think there was a time where i would have might have been more likely to like make fun of it because to have a little goober running around saying weird stuff yeah yeah in your house i think there was a time where i would have might have been more likely to like make fun of it because it is strange he also does like turn into like a weird little troll yeah yeah but i think that's yeah and the angle the angle makes it memorable too that it's like this it's like facing up so like chin is down so his face is just like all weird and putt. He is this odd little monster.

He's like, who's the guy from, the guy, the Barney's, the character only you like from Barney. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Griff.

Griff, hey. Yeah, he's got a fry. Yeah, yeah, he's got Michael Fry. I'm Griff and I got a saxophone. I'm too excited to sleep. Too excited to play sax. He can't, he has to channel I got a saxophone. I'm too excited to play. Too excited to play sax.

He has to channel it through the saxophone, Griff. Just like this kid. The anticipation is so intense. He's so excited. He's like crawling out of his skin. Yeah. Yeah. Which you really, I don't know, you feel.

That's not easy to do naturally, I don't think. But then the other half of it i was saying is is is it like we we all flash to when we felt this way or seen people in our families feeling this way how much do we relate to we're too excited to sleep i relate to it yes especially when i was little i knew we were going on a trip uh they're they're from the commercial they've excised the portion where like and also we're going on a plane and there's always a chance it could crush you know i there's a little yeah that's okay we are going in an unfamiliar less familiar environment but it's god knows what could happen. I'm too excited to die.

I'm too excited to die. I haven't experienced anything. I've only been excited four times in my life. This is the story of my life, this commercial. This is, I, whenever I was aware of what Christmas was, my mom is just like, you woke us up every 45 minutes that Christmas Eve. What, is he standing here?

Is he standing here? And she's like, at just like, at 545, we just, I just got up. Yeah. I have, I think that was me a lot. There's one that my mom will not let me forget because she was in the choir. She would like perform at masses. And she did midnight mass on Christmas Eve, which is a long service. That's maybe, you're maybe not, you know, in bed heading to sleep until 2 a.m. And that was the year that my sister and I were this ad.

Like, is it Christmas yet? And 530, my Santa was, and she's like no no santa was uh of course he was here but i don't and then we didn't she just had no choice she had to get up and uh it's one of those that yeah well you have like 1 000 of those i think that your mom won't let you forget oh yeah yeah yeah so there's a greatest hits for sure the listeners are listeners are aware of like the best 12 to 15 uh my brain is so my brain fucks with me so easily still to this day about yeah with their fear excitement i remember too it'll do it with random stuff i remember in 2011 the night this is oh boy the night before Wilco's The Whole Love came out

I was like really excited To hear it Because I had liked Whatever song or two That was out there And I remember like Waking up in the middle Of the night

Being like Is it out yet And like I had a dream That it was out I'm like I'm an adult here And it's like That's not that crazy And it's not even like

They were at their full peak Or it's not like It was the Fall Out to Yankee Hotel Foxtrot or anything Was it was it out what was when you checked i don't think it was i think like whatever it was i don't remember what was a download or what in 2011 are we in like itunes store at that point i can't remember is that 3 a.m on the east coast midnight west coast i don't remember what the details of the release was uh i don't remember but just like i

remember being like why i remember being aware of like why why am i can't why am i waking up like i i think i get very i try to get excited about things which sometimes keeps me up what is that like papa i'm very into i got very into Last night I was trying to find Lorkana Packs And cards

You know Lorkana You heard this? I was about to say Alright no further Explanation needed And I won't let it derail Lorkana packs I got it

I'll let it derail A different episode But Lorkana is the new Disney collectible card game Like Magic the Gathering Like Overpower Yes You're gonna do this now.

I don't know what I'm going to do. Are we going to play it on, Mike? In your late 30s with a child, you're going to start doing Lorkana. Let's see what happens. It's collectible. That's what, I mean, I don't have to play it necessarily. I can just collect them. You just put them in a binder.

Put them with my other binders. This makes me so happy that there are not many things i collect i guess you look you get joy from collection so that's good so i but i just uh if i as sometimes i run the numbers what i how much i save a year i'm moving right now and i hate these comic books i hate them so much this does you have alluded to this that main thing, the main stress in your moving is the comic books. Comic books and paperbacks. Your crime novels. My crime novels and literary novels.

All your L. Ron Hubbard tales of valor. Well, look, I just love adventure. I love space. And, you know, if I pick up some moral guidance along the way. Yeah, why not? You moral guidance along the way yeah you're there for the story not anything else no no um so so yeah i was i was excited about that i yeah i know this does make me want to you know what i have i was thinking like when when today do i feel too excited to sleep and it's kind of more it's actually more after the fact if there's something even i'm excited about the next morning that's a little more anxiety

because i want to be rested for it uh so that can get negative that can be bad actually uh i'm more like if i come back from a you know like a great bar hang we're like wow 15 people who are so funny you know i really like we're all around my birthday you guys are both that sure that was a i'm too excited to sleep and when i need to report to erin i'm a little out of it i got home and i was just buzzing she will sometimes say you're too excited to sleep it is it's a really good short air and i both said it for she said it separately from me with her sister any vacation okay it's very like we it's definitely always been a and i feel like she probably said it the first time without asking me do you know what this is i think she just went

into it and like oh i know exactly what you're talking about scott i feel like when you do sometimes if you do a funny voice you're channeling the spirit of i'm too excited to sleep just other voices just when you're yeah if you have to do a funny voice or like your voice acting or something you're saying that's the core of all of his impressions spirit of what's that you're saying that's the core of his impressions oh maybe i don't know we all have different touchstones and stuff but you know when you hear me do that voice, you just see other things that I've... You nail it so well. Don't think.

You do such a good... I checked before I got out of the car. I was like, let me make sure I... Because it's got this step down that's really, that's important. I saw you looking in the rear view mirror. What is Ron doing? I go up with it.

No, no, no. Now go down with it. And then I started punching the mirror. Sorry. Now that I know you were watching me, I'm really embarrassed. You're a star. You're a fucking star. My knuckles were bleeding for another.

It's just something. It's agonist. My skin is getting thin in my age or something. It's not because I punched my mirror aggressively. Look, we all have our process. You know, we all have different process to pay for recording. Let's take a big scoop of Nugenics before recording. Oh, yeah.

That's the Earth Star. Yeah. Yeah, I'm ready to go now. Jack, I'm ready to go now. I got Nugenics in me. I'm ready to go now. I'm ready to go now. There's something, another thing about this, I think, I was thinking how this ad, I think,

clearly comes from a post- nicky era oh yeah you know it's way post that's six years after that's jerry mcguire but you know lip nicky captured america's hearts and that was it seems like the appeal of him was he's a natural weird little kid saying weird little kid stuff and he's not polished he's not uh dennis the menace or whatever not to throw i look no offense to jay north yeah you know what i mean like kids can feel very stiff and staged and it was you know lip nicky cracked it all open by just that's just going having fun with it as we yes i agree this is also post-Hale Angel Osment, like Sixth Sense, which I feel like is the other end of the spectrum.

Well, I was going to say kind of underselling it, like much more reserved. So we're cracking open what kinds of kid acting there is. There's not just one mode. We're in the wake of Jake Lloyd in Phantom Menace. Jake Lloyd, Mara Wilson from Matilda. That's a few years prior. That's much prior, yeah.

I'm just thinking of notable, interesting child performances. Yeah, I'm not saying she's good. We're a few years before Winner's Bone. I guess Jennifer Lawrence was pretty older. Yeah, wait a minute. We're doing big reaches here. We're looking more Bill Engvall show, Jenniferon from the pilot of the monsters had just 40 years prior performed frank tv was on and i bet frank caliendo played a kid at one point in it there

okay hailey joel osment has come up hailey joel osment is relevant to some greater context that i wanted to give um we probably saw this ad on television. I imagine this was on television, but the most accessible way you can watch it on YouTube, and by the way, almost a million views on one of the copies of this. Clearly the reach of it is massive. And then also when you Google it,

as you guys probably found, there's page after page of Reddits and weird Disney message boards. Message boards. Bumper Car Boys forums where people are saying, like, I quote this all the time. My family quotes this all the time. It's just, it is a really good shorthand for especially the Disney trip experience. Very fond remembrances. Some message boards from like 2004 2007 people trying to find it

yeah yeah we're like is there some is there some website where you can watch old ads yeah my 2005 friend you have no idea what's coming yeah um everything most thing there's only like three things left that aren't posted and even there were we're getting progress on some of these king koopas cool cartoons yeah somebody just found some old clips of it and i think determined that they were not good but at least we have them at least there's some comfort in that um but anyway uh i discovered that there were a couple it was probably a number of vhs releases from disney that this ad was on uh but the most prominent ones possibly a beauty and the beast re-release in 2002 and also in 2002 or maybe three uh the the main vhs release of lilo and stitch um stitch i believe is that big ogre the the comical ogre okay

he farts a lot um just making sure i have it straight. But so other things on the, this really paints the picture of Disney 2002. Here's what else was in the pre-roll on Lilo and Stitch. Spy Kids 2, Island of Lost Dreams, Inspector Gadget 2, 101 Dalmatians 2, Patch's London Adventure, Stitch the movie, already there was Stitch the movie on the video. What. Stitch the movie. Already there was Stitch the movie on the video.

What was Stitch the movie? I kind of remember Stitch. I don't remember anything about it. I remember it was like a direct-to-video spinoff. What year is Lilo and Stitch? The year before, 2001, or earlier in 2002. Eisner had this thing just cranking. He cranked these things out, I guess.

Yeah, at this point, well, he narrowed the gap between the 90s ones and their state of it, and now they're just ready to go as soon as can be. And then the biggest gap, in a world of twos here, there is Jungle Book 2.

And Jungle Book 2 was on my mind because I was just flipping through Disney+. What have I never... And I don't think I remembered that there was a Jungle Book 2. I brought it up because Mowgli is Haley Joel Osment in it. Elsewhere, there's an ad for Country Bears, Jason's favorite film, also voiced by Haley Joel Osment. So he's the king of Disney around this time.

It is nothing but indian characters voiced by white people of course like who voices the character shanti ah may whitman oh yeah may whitman um just weird details about this movie and jake is watching and i'm like jungle book 2 what are you talking about and every deep like john goodman is blue that's weird um that one's okay in my mind it was fine yeah yeah that's as good a casting and for a straight to video thing yeah solid casting uh phil collins acts only acts what one of the vultures one of the like what... What? Yeah. Uh-huh. I guess was around the studio doing Brother Bear, Brother Bear 2. Okay.

Well, let's... Which I like Phil Collins acting. Yeah. Sure. In Miami Vice. Sure. So that's fun to me. But then a couple of weird details.

Due to a legal dispute, King Louie could not be included in the film, but he is used as a shadow puppet that recounts the events of the first film. A legal dispute? With Louie? Yeah. I in the film, but he is used as a shadow puppet that recounts the events of the first film. A legal dispute? Yeah, I don't know what that means. And the Wikipedia had no further information. The Kipling estate? Like, why would it be?

I'm not sure. I feel like there were weird lawsuits with the voice actor Louie Prima, but I can't imagine that the Louie Prima estate was still holding Disney to the fire, what, 40 years after the fact. I don't know uh or the character himself uh if there's any footage of king louis appearing in a courtroom wow so but king louis is was christopher walken in the favreau version i believe what really i believe right he's a monkey yeah christopher walken i believe yes bill murray is blue and christopher walken is king louis does he? He does sing Yeah he sings this song

That's strange I will Admit I liked it When I saw it Yeah you were a big fan Of that Maybe I'll go back And I'll not like it

But I did like it At the time I want to pave the way To Lion King We wouldn't have Lion King And Mufasa Prequel

Without Yes So we owe it so much So so much greater than the story time. That's true, we do, yes. But here's the main thing I wanted to bring up about Jungle Book 2. You hear that and you're like, oh, wow, that's shit. And they were really cranking it out. And Eisner's really like, boy, this is so cynical.

Here's the thing. Jungle Book 2 did come out in theaters, by the way. I had no idea. A little bit in america somewhat in america but a lot overseas uh and the numbers on this uh budget 20 million dollars worldwide profits 186 million oh my god wow you laugh at jungle book to look at the crap they're pumping out that's unbelievable numbers if i could today yeah yeah yeah like okay uh you know one of disney's quote-unquote hits of the summer indiana jones

and the dial of destiny budget 291 million made 381 worldwide so it made indiana jones made 1.3 times its budget jungle book 2 made 9.2 times its budget wow you know what made similar you know what made 9.5 times its budget this year barbie what we view is like the biggest hit we've seen in the recent past is just currently barely above a jungle book oh my god pure ratio wise yeah i would say that the cultural impact is a little bit more yeah barbie uh but like disney would fucking you know if they would like if somehow like sniping customers in the theme park like if somehow all right if we sacrifice 20 people in disney world today and that will get us a hit the size of Jungle Book 2. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, all right. Let's put him up there. Get the guy up on top of Cinderella Castle. Well, what you're telling me is very clear what the lesson should be here. Bring back Eisner. Of course. Obviously. Bob is public enemy number one these days with his shitty comments left and right.

Yeah. His arrogance. Time to bring back a man. We trusted. Arrogance free. Who undoubtedly. Now look, I will say this. There was a big writer's strike during the Eisner era.

I don't know any shitty things he said. Maybe there were less opportunities to say shitty things. But as opposed to Iger, who has famously shitty things he said maybe there were less opportunities to say shitty things yeah like as opposed to eiger who has famously shitty things yeah a couple rounds of them no a good trustworthy man who we certainly is not absolutely greedy saying saying shitty things but also apparently very um touchy and emotional that's the rumors that Zaslav and Iger are hurt by these labor strikes. Yeah, that's what came out a couple of days ago. Yes. Oh, and then, well, and then.

Sorry, I was just going to say they offered up what they felt was a really magnanimous deal. We worked hard on the deal and they said no, they didn't even look. Yeah. So they were. Did you see we this one number went up barely yeah look it's been a tough year for us okay we haven't had any jungle book twos we can't we'd give you the money but we don't have a jungle book too i i think really this spate of labor actions has really uh shown that these heads of these companies you really go like what do you do yeah like what is

your like what do you contribute you freaks yes like well yeah i don't know zezlov is like staring at he's like uh here's one of my properties on a screen and then there's a paper telling me about another one of my properties is like what if i put that one on that one i own cnn what if the cnn alert was in the middle of uh you're watching treasure of sierra monday on tcm on max and it says uh guess what giuliani's uh getting sued giuliani's being weird again yeah jace i look bob eiger uh california venture people didn't like it so he said oh uh uh let's build some good rides that's smart that's a smart thing

For him to do No one else Could have thought of that Build some cool stuff Make it look better Are you kidding me I couldn't have thought of that I was like

This park Just level it to the ground I think the wheels Started moving on that When Eisner was still in charge But yes you're right For the Cars Land stuff No

No That's all I heard He was out in like 2005-2006 I think he was ready To let that thing Yeah he wanted to But you know what He was right He was out in like 2005, 2006 I think he was ready to let that thing rust But you know what, he was right He was probably right because he's smarter

He's a good guy We'll figure out how But it was correct that Eisner made California Adventure bad Yeah If he was in longer we would have seen the full plan come to fruition As with God It is hard to know all of the divine reasons but we have to trust we have to trust them that we know what's which is why we're doing what was right for us

he needs to come on this gd show and talk to us sure okay we don't say that full word not when we're addressing and we love eisner right exactly that's why i said it uh um okay so that's that's bigger context what have i missed about the oh i got a big one okay um so we were saying how um the this maybe is not as magical without the natural whatever they whatever happens to make that kid just actually be excited in that moment uh really be fit like um you know you're thinking well okay the same ad without that moment maybe is not as magical and then i realized there is a practical way to prove that because almost essentially the same ad was made in england i guess trying to get people to more aimed at disneyland paris and um i discovered this through some confusing reddit threads and such where people there's there's the discussion of does anyone

remember this ad where it's like a blue glowy room and there's a kid who's too excited and then they say here is a link to that ad and they say no no no no it's a different one because the kid because it has the word mum in it. Oh, wow. So there's discussion of, is this a Mandela effect? Am I making up that there was this? And I had to find a video on Twitter, in fact, to prove that the British one existed.

So here, listener, it's almost the same thing. It's almost shot for shot. It's a blue glowy room and a brother and a sister. But does it have the same magic? Sarah, are you asleep? No. I can't wait anymore. Me neither.

Mom says it's just magical. Mom says back to bed. But Mom, we're too excited. The only thing better than looking forward to a magical Walt Disney World holiday is actually being there. Are you asleep? No. I'm too excited. We heard that.

Same ending. I guess it was for Disney World. Is that as charming? It is pretty charming. It's pretty charming. It's very British. Yeah. I mean, these little British kids doing this is really good.

I like it. I really like it. But it doesn't have the moment. I don't, look, I don't dislike the children. Yeah. You can say you don't like them. But Aaron and I, maybe we're just, we're too excited to sleep pilled or something. Yeah, yeah.

But we were both like i don't care for this really for these these british imps oh i'm too much of a sucker for i'm too much of a sucker for little british kids doing like talking and stuff mom says it's better than ever they're doing too many they're inserting too much brits too british they cranked the british up you could tell the director was saying more british, though. Get more vowels in. I wish they were like, it was like a period piece. It wouldn't make sense for Disney World, but I wish it was like the Keynesian era.

And they're shaking snow off their pajamas, even though they're inside. Kid had a crutch. Yeah. Oh, and then in that wind, because he, look, he gives a little more. That's context for the listeners. He doesn't fall back into bed like American Kid.

He gets up and does a little spin. He does a little spin. So if that was him getting to throw his crutches away, Tiny Tim style, the excitement of Disney World has cured him of his rickets. I want to go time traveling to Disney World, Mom. Mom says we're going to get in something called a time machine and we're taking it straight to somewhere called Orlando. Whee!

12. Yeah, that would be better. I agree. But yeah, it's not as good. But I still, I like, I do like this. The dad kind of made a meal of the line. This guy? Yeah, the dad did not make a meal of it.

It was too long. I feel like the note would be like, can you say it twice as fast? You like the American dad better. Because it's short and sweet, and then it's mostly set up for the punchline of like, we heard that. But here's this. Here's this thought. The British dad is kind of, he seems to be more comfortable in the bed in my opinion

because he's on his side which is how i like to sleep and the american dad is more kind of on his back yeah and like this guy looks like he could even be like out he's so like comfortable looking okay that makes a little more sense he's almost half asleep exactly so he made so he's even more comfortable so that means he's like soaking that cash much much much more better much better day and for jason's channel we got to determine like what is the um i i don't know like dollar to pound in 2002 i don't know who's like making better money for their lying down right yeah which which dad which nation of dad made out more like a bandit here oh yeah i'm a left side sleeper and which i think they say is good for you to sleep on your side sleep on your

left side as opposed to right side really why is that i don't know i think it's uh where the heart is to sleep you have to sleep on top of your heart well no but it's elevated if you're sleeping on the right side you don't want it to be elevated but it's elevated if you're sleeping on the right side. You don't want it to be elevated? It's working less hard, you're saying? I think so. If it's sort of on the left? I don't know. I toss and turn a lot.

Sometimes back, sometimes left, sometimes right. Yeah. So your heart doesn't ever get to settle, I guess. It never gets to rest, no. Jason's heart is restless. I've got eugenics. I've got days worth of eugenics I've got like days worth of eugenics

coursing through my veins I'm too excited to sleep I can't sleep I'm chugging too much ginseng I watched

eugenics down with Arizona iced tea green tea testosterone went straight to my heart made it heavy

it's weighing me down just have so much love to give and testosterone I'm the heart of podcasteroid made it heavy weighing me down just have so much love to give and testosterone I'm the heart of Podcast The Ride my heart has to be

pulsing at all times the pressure of being the heart and putting the T in PTR if we're also picking these ads apart elementally something to note

that you Jason mentioned before we started recording is that it goes straight from iconic shot to uh what's what's our hero shot it is the barnstormer yeah yeah it is goofy's like plane roller coaster in the toontown fair area and goofy is on it so that's good that's cool but does it not strike did it did it strike you on jason that there then the hero shot is a ride that's like fine right it's no we've never talked about the barnstormer well i think that's one that it's like okay it could be a kid's first roller coaster yeah yeah i think it's elevated by like okay you're riding it with goofy for sure yeah that uh by the way i think now that coaster is called the barnstormer starring the great goofini

because all of that stuff is circus themed now because of the big dumbo which as we all remember dumbo they make the circus seem awesome to be part of the circus yeah yeah very true terrifying at all um you also then the next shot is like a bunch of kids all doing like duck walk all like wagging their duck tails as they head into the castle behind uh donald and daisy yeah this is um this is a bigger area i hadn't thought about but um when i to this day see disneyland disney world commercials i think that there is a real false advertising going on in that they imply that you will get to like be at a party like dance and have fun with your favorite characters this this does not happen this is not an organic duck walk that you get to do. Like, you stand behind a rope, and then you get, you know, 30 seconds, and that might

be a fine 30 seconds. You might get a hug you'll never forget. But besides that, there's not organic party fun happening with the characters. Well, not often, but once in a while. Because, like, you know, famously, I've talked about going to the Tomorrowland stage and seeing the country bears partying with everybody and just hanging out. Slapping asses. Slapping asses, yes.

And you welcomed it. They got towels. May I have a towel? They're rolling up the towels. There were towel slapping incidents with the country bears in Tomorrowland. That's correct. Being in a locker room. I want to feel like I'm in the locker room.

They're dirty, frayed country bear towels. Yeah, they're rags. They're nasty. That's correct. Being in a locker room. I want to feel like I'm in the locker room. They're dirty, frayed, country bear towels. Yeah, they're rags. They're nasty. That hurts. Oh, yeah. That leaves a mark.

They're weapons. Get some welts from that. Yeah, security confiscated their zip guns and their homemade guns from the hauler. It'll happen.

I mean, at the ticketed event for the retro 80s night we certainly were dancing with totally many for like an hour so but it's not a common point seems like one of the most formative experiences of your life well it's right before the pandemic too so it's the last bit of joy so every so at the at the depressing height of it you're just you fall asleep and go straight to like, Mike, dance with me. Holding out her hand.

I have a video of it, yeah. Yeah, of course. Lindsay, too. She's okay with it. She knows we have something special. This is a pass. Hall pass. Mike imagining like walk around Max and Roxanne from Goofy Movie and throwback 80s gear

dancing to Obsession. My obsession. movie and throwback 80s gear dancing to obsession my obsession they're doing the robot they're joining hands and doing breakdance moves we're all drinking tab it's a glorious night yeah um well uh what have we missed about this? Have we picked apart every elemental detail of this 30-second ad? Did we do the voice enough? It's only about nine seconds, nine, ten seconds of the parks. It's mostly the scene. That's something. That's interesting format-wise, isn't it?

It seems like about halfway through it switches, then it goes back to the, back to the scene. They felt the narrative was too important versus just showing glamor shots of the park. Do we think that this is effective and an interesting idea to like, not just like, maybe you feel like you're being advertised to when you see shots of rides, but when you get to see the emotion, when you get to see like, this is how it might make your family feel.

If you have several children, they will bond over this. There's something heartstring pulling about it. Yeah, it does capture the anticipation element. I am surprised, over 20 years later, they have not got the kids back as adults to shoot the commercial. Doesn't that seem like... That's a good idea. Because the optics are not great for Disney right now.

Between the writer's strike and then the parks are so crowded, the parks are empty, the parks are so expensive. Yeah, and all their movies fucking suck shit. I have no idea if they've had a run of hit movies or a run of it's hard to tell i don't know i really can't tell i just know barbie made a billion dollars and uh everything really yeah um yeah absolutely you show a clip of that and then like get them

to recreate it i mean i that's the you know one thing if you're looking at this episode title you're like maybe like oh did they learn where the kids are today? No, there's no way to find that out. I tried. I'd like to know. And I hope that the kids are doing well. And I would like to see this kid milking it. I want to see him at a convention getting to say, we're too excited to sleep.

And everybody, oh, I want 20,000 000 people to light up say it with him uh-huh i mean i want everything that's this this guy if he's not like maybe i should i like i'm not a publicist but i feel like i've got a good oh i thought you were gonna say i'm gonna pretend to be him wait sure wait what does he look like uh could i fake my way through b i don't know it's a kid i don't know i don't think i resemble this kid at all i don't think it matters but yeah maybe just by putting it out there i'll just side by side i think you just you feel like people walking up to my table and like glancing all right him picture him picture yeah sure you know what yeah they just they don't want to believe that it's me so badly side by side side you now with that kid, but then put the same blue filter on it.

And it'll fool people into thinking. Well, and I just always light myself really blue. That's my rider for when I appear at a convention. I need the bluest light. Right, right. In the contract, it says how many times you'll do the line. Wow. And you'll do it only five times for a certain fee.

Jason will negotiate this with you. Oh, yeah. Help me, Penny. Help me squeeze everything I can. John Madden, Katie Porter, White Porch. Here's the plan. All right. They're going to want to see you in context.

They're going to want to see you in a bed, right? So we wheel in a bed. That's also part of your you in a bed, right? So we wheel in a bed. That's also part of your rider. Blue lighting, and you do it all from a bed. They put a microphone right above your head, put it on a stand, get it above you. You literally don't get out of bed for less than $50,000 in appearance. And then, as opposed to all these other people at conventions

who have to walk around, steps cost money. Yeah. Yeah, so, yeah. Here's your price for autograph, picture, video of you saying, I'm doing this. You know, we got a big menu. We do want to, like, let the Brits in on this, so he will say mum for a price. If you grew up with the British one, but he will not get up and spin.

We're talking a 200 grand appearance fee if he's going to do a spin. And that price will be tacked to the current exchange rate. So the dollar's better, the pound's better. That's what they're paying. Yeah. Even if this is happening in nine years, we're locking it in at its best rate right now. Yeah. I just want to tell the listeners, because this is paywalled, so just don't tell on us.

Don't tell on Scott about the grift we're about to pull. Yeah. Yes. Because you can be, you know, you're in on the ground floor. Like, you know, I listened to this guy when he was just doing a podcast, and I didn't even realize that he was, that we're too excited to sleep. Right. He's so humble, honestly, that he didn't bring it up in six years.

Yeah. Because if that were me, I'd be talking about it all the time. And now he's finally getting rich off it. And I say good for him. Honestly, good for him. So, yeah, all few thousand of you, please lie. Help us. Please help us lie.

Please. And you know what? Maybe there's a multi-generational grift to do here because i like the line i like the line so much and i i think i appreciate this uh ad a little bit more having a kid having a little boy myself and i was like i wonder if i can get a little bit of yeah uh and you know hey i'm not holding him to the impression skills uh that i might hold an adult to but i was like what will this sound like coming out of my son? I don't know if he's ever been heard on the show before.

Oh, yeah. But here's my little boy. We're too excited to speak. Oh, wow. That's adorable. Oh, the naturalism. You can't buy that, you know? You can't coach that.

I think I forgot. I only, I did it this morning and hadn't really re-listened. And that, hey, that made me feel. It is really cute shit. I'll get him to do it in an English accent. No, British. That's too cockney.

Do it like a current British kid. Get your accents. Wales. I suppose that is all. I think you survived Podcast the Ride, the Segregate. I'm you survived Podcast The Ride, The Second Gate. I'm glad you weren't too excited to survive or too excited to subscribe. And, oh, wait, here, I'll do my wrap-up.

But thank you for subscribing to The Second Gate. If you want to dig even deeper, join us on our VIP Patreon tier Club 3, where you get one more bonus episode every month and our regular episodes ad-free. Please keep subscribing to The Second Gate, where at the end end of the month you will get a special treat from jason apologies please uh explain your legwork okay so i was trying to think of what i wanted to do for my birthday shot and i was trying i was like oh i i alluded to like oh the islands of adventure lighthouse and then i started uh uh come i started thinking of other things and i narrowed it down to five and i was outside of islands of

adventure huh are you outside of islands of adventure there's more islands of adventure uh i i so i narrowed it down to five as mike said the phrase jason month at some point and i was like well if i had a program what would i do and then I was thinking I started thinking of other topics and then I decided like well why don't I do something different why don't I get the listeners involved why don't I make it a party oh my god a party a party a voting party that's right I've chosen five topics oh my god we're doing a okay we're doing a birthday shot poll if If you're not on Club 3, it's polls every month where the listeners get to pick, get to submit and pick topics. But this will be a rare second gate poll.

Second gate and Club 3 poll. Okay, yeah. We'll get to vote. Oh, because you would get that if you're Club 3. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Right. Okay.

So here are the five potential birthday shots. Wow. Ferris Lighthouse is one of them. Island Skipper Tours. I have a question. Did you know the name of the lighthouse before you started doing this? Before I started doing this? Yes. From the Port of Entry episode, yeah, I looked it up.

I learned about it. The original lighthouse is based on one of the wonders of the ancient world. We know that. Did you know it before this year? Sounds like no. The answer is no. No. I knew there was a lighthouse in the wonders of the ancient world.

They didn't know. Pharaoh's Lighthouse. Okay. Pharaoh's Lighthouse. Island skipper tours. The short-lived boat ride that would take you from Port of Entry to Jurassic Park. Of course. Of course.

Holiday Inn's Holodome. Do you know about the Holodome? This has been suggested for the second gate before. This is a good, yeah, I've never looked into it deeply, but what's the quick sell on this? So the quick sell on this, these were Holiday Inns with internal courtyards built around like an indoor pool and like shuffleboard or mini golf.

And I think there's one or two, you know, they're not Holiday Inns anymore, but they're kind of still holding on okay i think having uh room doors that close to an indoor pool i think some of the criticisms where this is disgusting yeah these rooms smell that's still indoor pools create just the worst uh stench um yeah but uh okay great yeah okay number four uh this is a an episode i'm calling forgotten cartoon theater which are cards it's another podcast no no this is so they were going to talk about it shows that i loved as a little kid that i feel like i've seen very little uh give us one example one example we're talking james bond jr has come up for

bots master uh which notable for avi arad is that how you say avi arad produced this like kind of and we're gonna do all of these cartoons we're just gonna touch on them okay so all right um that was also that was bold to say avi arad no further information. Avi Arad. He produced a lot of the 90s Marvel stuff. He rescued Marvel with Ike Perlmutter because he owned Toy Biz in the 90s. So if he's a friend of Ike, then he's a good guy. Yes. They're all buddies. I think he permanently has to have a producing credit on Spider-Man movies.

Oh, wow. There's a recent conversation I had with Bugman about this. I mean, Avi Arant is good. And then the final choice, the 1996 made-for-Fox movie Generation X. I know what I want to talk about. Based on the Marvel Comics. Yeah. Matt Frewer is in there.

I don't even remember what character he plays, but he's like the star of it. Yeah. Fox in the mid-late 90s made a bunch of event made for TV movies. Marvel movies. There was a Nick Fury, David Hasselhoff one. They also did a Doctor Who one,

which I- Like an American Doctor Who. American Doctor Who. Interesting. So, yeah. So there we have it. So I will put this poll up. I would like to add a sixth choice.

I don't know if you can do that on Patreon. Jason take eugenics for a full month and we check in and see how he's doing at the end of the month. That's the episode for your birthday. Thank God. Patreon only has five. I'll pay for the eugenics. I think they have more than five. I think you can keep going.

No choice. Yeah. Let's get you on the monthly. That all sounds good. All of those sound like a lot of fun. So thank you for all those options. I'm excited to hear where we go. I'm so curious to see what wins.

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Well, nice of you to bring the listeners in on it. And listeners, I hope that you're not too excited to vote. Forever. Dog. This has been a Forever Dog production. Executive produced by Mike Carlson, Jason Sheridan, Scott Gairdner, Brett Boehm, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

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