Podcast: The Ride - Web Slingers: A Spider-Man Adventure

Episode Date: June 3, 2022

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Forever Dog Warning the following podcast contains hard pieces of spider web fluid devil dinosaur train car disappointment and three podcasters made entirely out of mutant bees It's web slingers a spider-man adventure on today's podcast, The Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, the theme park podcast hosted by three men who were bitten by a radioactive theme park nerd and have been dealing with it ever since. My name is Mike Carlson. Joining me as always, Jason Sheridan.

Yeah, I... And the worst thing is, I didn't even stop that, you know, other... You wanted to be bitten is what you were saying? No, no, I'm saying, like, after I tried to go to, like to like a theme park convention the robber was running out and i could have stopped him i could have stopped him and told him about like what was he stealing magic journeys i don't know like um maybe the recently returned bugsy uh not bugsy uh uh who's the oh from uh from epcot yeah the it's not bugsy not Yeah. It's not Bugsy. It's not Busby. It's not Busby Berkeley. Not Busby Berkeley. No. No, Busby. I wish.

You would have stopped if some sort of Busby Berkeley relic were being stolen from a museum. We're stealing Busby Berkeley's body. Yeah.

That's Scott Gairdner talking about Busby Berkeley in the first seconds of this podcast. Oh, yeah. We're off to the, you know, you're looking at

an episode title that seems like something current and relevant and relatable. How quickly can we get to the, you know, you think you're looking at an episode title that seems like something current and relevant and relatable. How quickly can we get to the guy who did all of the swim dance numbers? Yes. Big musical numbers. Put down Jimmy Cagney's tuxedo from the end of Footlight Parade.

A hundred years ago, a person named Busby Berkeley made movies with a lot of dancers. A lot. Yeah. Practical effects, baby. In-camera edits. And Jason's never been the same. I've never been the same. Yeah, what gave me permission to be weird?

I guess I'd have to say the Busby Berkeley movies. Well, one young Hollywood star inadvertently nodded to the song and dance routines of the past, you know, we'll touch upon today. I have no idea. Oh, it's a Tom Holland thing. I'll get to it. I'll get to it. Okay.

Is that when Tom did, is it, did he do Umbrella on? Yes, he did Umbrella, but it started as Singing in the Rain. And he's also on board for a, I believe he's playing Fred Astaire in a biopic. Oh, right. Oh, this is, you must be so excited. Much more, I mean. We are back. Another person who's dead for 100 years.

I am much more excited. I'm much more skeptical of the Chris Evans, Gene Kelly biopic. Is that a joke? No, that's real. That is real? That's real. It should be Shannon Tatum because he can really dance. Oh, okay. but you don't

think chris can learn i don't know we'll see we'll see michael douglas couldn't play the piano and the liberace movie was pretty good that's true yeah i mean pretty good it's one of my favorite movies i know yeah yes that's an that's an understatement i watch that every it was marvelous uh we're yeah anyway uh our origin story, I was trying to say, was we got bitten by a man who loved theme parks. Yes. Well, and I think that what this podcast is for the listeners is if they were not bit themselves,

then we provide a special vehicle that allows them to imagine what it would be like to have been bitten true by already yeah it's the i guess the you're in the nerder vehicle that's good no second e dot dot we provide you the nerder vehicle to simulate what it's like to be stuck how we're stuck all the time exactly so yeah it's a good it's a safe way for you to live out what we do with every day. Which, you know, speaking of delving deeper into this world and and us and everything that we do, we have a little announcement here at the top of the show. So many people who are listening to this may already be subscribed to our Patreon, Podcast The Ride, The Second Gate,

which we thank you so much for doing that. The Patreon subscribers quite directly keep the show running and allow us to focus on it and make it as good as it can be. And besides that, we have a lot of fun over there. I think we get crazy and indulgent and obscure and off topic and get to talk about the late late shift and about sebastian jackal and uh you know because we're we contain multitudes yeah yeah they're all pointless multitudes but yes we do contain dead ends yeah so uh what i'm getting at is we have so much fun over there uh deep diving into our crazy interests

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The nice thing about advertising is it alerts you to goods and services you might not otherwise know about. Yeah, and we don't want to take away that privilege from you. But for summary, if you want to hear an unbroken conversation instead of one where one of us suddenly butts in with different audio quality or a voice you've never heard before

and will never hear again butts in, if you just want unbroken Podcast Right episodes, that's happening over there. Plus, only on club three will you get one more bonus episode each month with topics chosen by you the audience and i think we want to see how far we can go how deep we can go uh how obscure we can go we we are going to ask you for your dream podcast, The Right Episodes, how crazy into things that we have talked about, into like if you want to hear like we're going to talk about the 1997 Disney Vacation Club planning guide. We're going to watch that and we're going to talk about

whatever is the deepest thing you want to delve into. That's what we're going to do over there. Yeah, maybe even just like a chapter of that guide. If you have a specific yeah reason oh yeah we're more than willing to break things up as you know yeah as you're aware i can uh ask my mom to dig out the vhs one we surely have somewhere in a box and we can compare it to whatever one someone ripped to youtube oh yeah there are different quality yes where yes. Where does it fuzz out? How bright are the colors?

I don't want to now give your mom extra work, but if she's going to start digging through the boxes, she's got to find those school plays, too. We've got to get some Jason School, but that seems like a great thing to do over at Club 3. Well, I've got a little bit. I've got a little. Oh, you don't say.

I will have to cut it up. I started watching some of what I ripped and remembered that we actually did have microphones and lavaliers and stuff, but the one thing to try and get people's voices to carry that weren't particularly good at projecting because they were children, they had floor mics,

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You can hear me over the thongs. Do you have any line in your head that you might have said, especially as, even if it's just a like, hey, or like, Officer Jenkins. I remember very specifically saying

in a sinister German accent, where is she? Oh, wow. Like, there is the girl. At first I was like, very chic. And then I realized, oh, that's a V in where. Where is she? Yes, that was the only direction they gave me

for the German accent. Swap, swap the Ws for Vs. And then they're like, there's a movie called IQ about Albert Einstein and his nephew fall in love. So me and my dad and my family went to like Blockbuster

and found like, okay, here's the VHS of IQ and I'll watch this. And most of the movie went right over my head. But I was just like watching the scenes and it worked well enough.

Wow. Wasn't there a movie where like Fred Astaire had a German accent you could have gotten into? don't know there's probably some he might not have been willing to do that yeah this is a different time that's true yeah yeah and who knows what the movie selection was like at movies is that the name that was that was a chain that had a little cow and 3d glasses and a logo. Sounds to me like a Club 3. The movies.

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web slingers a spider-man a spider-man web slingers all caps a spider-man adventure and don't forget the dash in spider-man of course the dash uh always there for spider-man part of the weird like 50s and 60s comic guys just making up stuff as they look so batman has no hyphen spider-man does have an hyphen superman no hyphen no hyphen x-men has a hyphen right so is it a marvel thing was there is the dash marvel is that a stan lee affectation maybe yeah good question i never thought about it the star wars droids have hyphens or are they just yeah there's hyphen in right r2d2 does r2 bb dash d2 bba dash yeah r2 dash okay yeah yeah you got your dashes in there c3po we got yeah c dash 3po okay yeah ig88 has a dash which one ig88 the bounty hunter the bounty

hunter scott ig88 i don't who is he's got kind of a lot a long like pencil he's like a gray uh he's got like a long what would you describe his head? He's a robot who's very tall. He looks like a giant pencil, kind of, but he's gray. Yeah. He's very tall. He shows up in like one shot of Empire Strikes Back. In Empire Strikes Back.

One shot? One shot. Yeah. And then an IG type droid shows up in the first Mandalorian and quickly blows up. Yeah, Taika Waititi is his, well, not quickly. He's in there for a few. But then he does blow up strangely in the, spoiler alert, in the finale. There's a scene

where Vader has brought all the bounty hunters together in Empire Strikes Back to go get Han Solo. That's where Boba Fett is in. Bosk is in there. Bosk is another bounty hunter. He's not a droid. He is a, I forget. Is he? He's kind of reptilian, isn't he? Yeah, something like that. People are going to be mad I don't know what alien species he is a uh i forget is he he's kind of reptilian isn't he yeah something like that i'm

people gonna be mad i don't know what what alien species he is boss is in there kelsey grammars boss yeah kelsey cable character yeah stars character boss yeah yeah he's one of the bounty hunters um so yeah anyway uh as we all know like that hyphen is a bonus. Like, more punctuation in a ride title has usually been a successful thing for Disney in recent years. It's been a thing there. I guess so. I mean, make fun of all the dashes and doodads, but they're often on pretty great attractions and successful attractions. You're right. Yeah, but it is a weird new modern thing to just as much many words and as many other little things.

I don't know. It's so many qualifiers. Yeah, but you're never getting Space Mountain. Yeah, the branding just has to be so... It just has to go through probably focus groups or something. I don't know. Which to that end, this isn't so bad you get your all caps web slinger that's an interesting i don't know why it has to be screamed at you but

um you know i guess it's i guess it's fine you know we're getting off a little easier than other attractions yeah yeah it's fine look it's fine it's just it's funny that's all it is it's a little silly we just want a little we just we yearn for the days of a simple name like Mountain, Big Thunder Mountain or Space Mountain. Don't forget Railroad though. Disneyland Railroad. Oh yeah. Big Thunder Mountain.

Railroad. All right. That's fine. That's complicated. Yeah. Escape from the haunted mine. But. I assume it would be today.

There's a little, that that's yeah with like some more punctuation at the end exclamation point like question mark question mark exclamation point yeah haunted mine i forgot already jason and i happened to be in the park briefly yesterday and i was like oh yeah there's ghosts on this ride i forgot big thunder yeah it's a ghost ghost the ghosts are the reason that the train is out of control. What? I was like, did we talk about that? Maybe not.

I think we did. The spirits of the mountain are angry at all the mining. There's a narration. I derailed this episode. Literally. There's on the train, the narration. Yeah. When you're on the train, it says Big Thunder.

And it talks about the spirits who have made the train go out of control. Like at the beginning, the wildest ride in the wilderness? He may have spent 45 minutes talking about this three years ago. I don't remember any of it. I don't think so. I've never known about spirits. Jason said we did talk about this.

I mean, if they find me a soundbite, I could have. So who knows, really? Well, I think Dennis McNicholas brought it up as well because he wrote that script. And I think he was leaving supernatural stuff. Okay. So you don't see them.

They're just around. Yeah, I know. They aren't coming out of the geysers. Again, your guess is as good as mine. I was like, is is there ghosts on this ride and jason goes oh yeah i go oh okay anyway i'm just my maybe it's gone maybe the piece of information out of my brain is gone i think it's the sort of thing like some of the older rides where it's like well you can just enjoy this on the surface level but if you really dig down we

had a store you know we have a but that story of element is only available if you're on the train which i find i guess i like because like if you're on the train, which I find, I guess I like. Because if you're just on Big Thunder, you're just like, well, here we go, blah, blah, blah, and then that's it. But if you're on the train- Wait a minute. Sorry. I got confused there.

You're saying that when you're taking the Disneyland Railroad, they tell you about spirits? Yes. Wait, okay. I missed that. All right, all right. Yeah. Sorry, sorry. Not the Big Thunder.

Okay, okay. I see. That narrator, that's weird yes weird no i don't think i know about this i couldn't i couldn't remember and again maybe this we're gonna look really foolish when somebody goes back well of course you talked about it we're gonna get john stewarted we're gonna have a opposing clip that we said we're gonna just such hypocrites we will be i'll boot up the old marvel unlimited and read the comic series and see what they pull. Sure.

I'm sure they're in there. I'm just saying I completely forgot. Bartimus T. Bartimus Bullion is in the comics. Yeah, I know. We talked a little bit about that in the episode for sure. Anyway, so we're talking about who? Spider-Man? Yeah, we're talking about Web Slayers.

Other park, the different park across the way. Yeah, which has been open for about a year now. About a year. It about a year hard to believe so maybe now we can evaluate it with um a little bit of you know greater context we've done it a couple times now i think all of us yes yes and yeah mike and i were there a few days after it opened and scott you rode did you ride it for the first time when we went with Griffin Newman I think so that I have trying to remember I what's in my head is that I've done it

three times but I'm not exactly sure yeah with that let me say this and I don't want to put an air over this I don't want to chill the episode but I might as well just be forthcoming and get the conversation moving by saying this. I do not like this ride. I have landed there.

I'm not trying to. Not trying to be negative. Not trying to be an edgelord. There were things about it that didn't sound that good to me when it was in development. I think we all talked about them, but I was hoping against hope that those things would not end up bothering me in the final product. And I think after a number of times, and the three of us just did it together recently on the hot dog canoe day, I think that's where I have to lock it in.

I'm sorry to say. You're locking it in now. I don't want to lock mine in now. Yeah. Oh, you don't have to. I don't know. And maybe the conversation will lead us all to different opinions but i feel like i should just be clear and

forthcoming about that but do you am i uh am i crazy am i wrong oh well i think there's uh a lot to consider for this ride i mean one it has an uphill battle in that there is already a 20 plus year old spider-man ride that you could argue is this is gonna come back with you your favorite ride ever maybe the best current running ride and i i think uh the tower of terror in orlando is giving it a run for its money they're tied kind of neck and neck in terms of like stuff i have loved at various ages and still have stuck with me and i'm still like terror and spider-man are the two best rides in the country uh yes in the country i have not been out of the united states right i have not

seen the parks around the world so i don't want to uh gauge on those i might have to tussle the haggards and i was pretty fond of haggards maybe time won't keep it a classic but as far as like I don't want to gauge on those. I might have to tussle the Hagrid's. I was pretty fond of Hagrid's. Maybe time won't keep it a classic. But as far as coming out of the gate, how much I loved it on the day, I'd put that in a top of... Because I was declaring it best ride in Orlando, but I don't know. That might just be me.

Guardians is on my list. It's better than the Orlando Tower of Terror. Wow. What? Yeah, I believe it is. That must have been said before. Did we talk about this? I think so, yeah.

Okay. And the reason it edges out is because the actual thrill part of it is more interesting to me. That's how it wins. Yeah. Wow. I don't think that's insane. Because it's an empty, because again, now I'm spoiled. I'm spoiled by things to look at and enjoy while the actual drop stuff is going on.

Sure, sure. But you're, yeah, something about this name, that it is called A Spider-Man Adventure, it does almost feel like it is not The Spider-Man Adventure. Yes, that's in Florida and Japan. And it is, yeah, boy, that is awesome. I was almost wondering if like had

we mythologized it too much to just hit us all the right way in 99 2000 or whatever whenever we first did it and then when i was down there for that bachelor party everybody was just like just blew their heads off it's it's so good it's it's really fun i i have to say um that the the 90s spider-man cartoon so by extension the spider-man ride in florida because it's pretty similar like it's it's they've made some changes for the ride but that is my favorite portrayal of spider-man outside of the comics like i think the more than any movies he's a little he's a little too handsome yeah he's a little too handsome but he's he's kind of like regular kind of regular everyman i think of the movies i do think i like tom holland the best of the actors who have played spider-man i like toby mcguire as an actor i think he's a

little too emo uh as as peter parker uh and i am excited to see tom holland the current status quo for the tom holland spider-man is a little more of uh down and out as opposed to like awkward teen and down and out is kind of like when peter parker shines like he kind of the the whole thing of the spider-man uh no way home it was that what it was called? The newest one. The newest one. Yeah, okay. They all have homes. That's our day.

They all have homes. That is, it kind of sold me, like by the end of the movie, I'm like, oh yeah, suffering is, it's kind of intrinsic to Spider-Man in the way that like, yeah, Bruce Wayne is gonna have dead parents.

You know, like. They have reversed engineered the origin of, the original origin of Spider-Man in the way that like yeah bruce wayne is gonna have dead parents you know like they have reversed engineered the origin of the original origin of spider-man in the movies now so this is spoiler alert if you haven't seen these home movies he starts out as like little tony stark like mentee and then we get to the point at the end of the last movie where no one remembers he's that peter parker is spider-man including mj including his best friends and now he's like alone with no money and no one knows who he is which i don't like when they did it in the comics because it was stupid uh and scott just so you know uh when they did that storyline this storyline in the comics it wasn't dr strange doing magic to make everyone forgetting

it was literally uh the devil spider-man made a forgetting. It was literally the devil. Spider-Man made a deal with Mephisto, the devil. Jeez. So Sebastian Jekyll. Essentially made a deal with Sebastian Jekyll. Now, Scott, it's not Mr. Mistoffelees, the character from Cats, right? Yeah, that's from Cats. And it's not Mr. Mephisto. It's not Bono's character from the, what, Pop Mart tour?

Yeah. Can we out that one of those live shows recently that you really wanted to come out and say you were Mr. Mike Fisto yeah yeah yeah Jason and I were like might be going a tad obscure there vetoed yeah you let me say the words

I want to say you you didn't say it but you were right I like I infer what you meant is that we should do the full YouTube Pop Mart tour episode before I come out and do that bit oh boy that infer what you meant is that we should do the full youtube pop mart tour episode before i come out and do that bit oh boy that's what you said three is gonna be a very fraught place for me especially i have thought about mr mike fisto before yeah it's also there's also a kind of a dirty sexual thing and then that word mike fisto like i don't want a weird again you're the one finding it you found it in

eating ash you said it in that's not crazy eating ash saying it over and over again no but I didn't hear it right away but Mike Fisto

again we're just getting deep into your this is like yeah this is a name you imagine yourself having there's no okay there's no

I'm not thinking about fisting okay that's I don't want to be too bawdy on the main feed here. And they say that a hero. How bawdy will we get on Club 3? That's two. They say that a hero can save us, and Mike Fisto is not going to stand here and wait.

Although I guess it's just like Kit Fisto, the Star Wars character. That's true. And that's, I guess, yeah. Who I don't know anything about, but I assume is really good at fisting. Well, that's how George, that's how guess who i don't know anything about but i assume is really good at fisting well that's how george that's in george envision him that was the character is kind of the ultimate fister the opening day we went to galaxy's edge mike was really considering that he was very delighted by the kit fisto uh statuette yeah well he loves all the fisto's out there he's finally with his brethren are you

talking i think you're talking about plo coon was it plo coon i think you're thinking of the plo coon statue i don't know we were going through a kit fisto phase at the time so there might have been a kit fisto toy or something this don't plo coon are jedis yeah so anyway um not pod racers not pod racers it's not clope poon which that would be sexual that would be sexual yeah his name was clope poon uh maybe that i mean look there's gonna be a lot of streaming shows so maybe plocoon has a brother well you know why not disney wants to get as much star wars out there as they can. Why not be the first corporation to embrace their own, not a triple X porn parody?

Why not start? They allow these odd little podunk companies to make the porn parodies. Disney should. Yeah. Disney plus XXX. Yeah. Imagine the announcement,

like the upfronts kind of thing where chapek comes out and then he kind of like uh then tinkerbell shows up and she like stands on top of the the plus and then it tips to become an x and then she that's good yeah two more x's appear with pixie dust red he transitions from like and that's why we're excited about the subscriber growth of Hotstar services in Asia. And now moving on to other streaming territories. If I could get the red lights, please. Oh, Tink, what are you doing here? Disney probably secretly owns a bunch of adult companies.

Oh, yeah. It's just time for them to come up like because if the goal is 12 new star wars series every year they're eventually gonna run out and have to start doing porn yeah porno yeah they they bought the rights for sin for of the uh james gunn web series that is a parody of the bang bus but they just pick people up and give people rides with craig robinson we all remember this james gunn project right i'm sure it's not a thing he would like people to forget i don't remember well google it i guess that brought you guardians of the galaxy the twisted yeah beautiful twisted mind i think is what they said in the suicide squad trailer two descriptors of the mind that's what it was if i recall correctly not twisted come on give me a give me say something nice too yeah yeah it is a compliment yeah but like uh you know

twisted is cool say something nice about how my mind looks yeah i've lost my mind i was saying i like tom holland i hadn't seen that lip sync battle performance where he like really does some crazy dancing and stuff and then i found out the context of that was like years old he'd only been spider-man in one movie or so i think it was to promote the first like movie with uh uh zendaya and she is on it and he's like dancing towards her and they hadn't started dating yet. And then that's the moment. Like he's very like flirty and everything. And then he fully commits to a like very complicated dance routine and just does an insane flip. Like he can do a lot of those flips himself.

He does flip. I think he flips more than Garfield and Maguire for sure. Yeah. So I my respect went way up for him in that respect. I like Holland a lot too. I think he's a good take on the character. And I think in the 2000s, I really think Gyllenhaal would have been interesting

if they had gone with that recasting. I think Topher Grace too probably would have been a good Peter Parker. I agree. And instead he was venom he was eddie grace was venom before oh that's who that is yeah before eminem did the venom song he could come back he could come back come back everyone can come back yeah so um i yeah spider-man i i'm a big fan of that first yeah the original ride is unbelievable and i don't know how you...

Well, I guess there was the rumors for a while, a couple years ago. I think we all remember when we would look at patents for ride systems that never made it. It's still happening. I still do. They just announced the one with the vehicle damage, which is a pretty cool idea. And there was something a couple years ago. It was like a swinging sort of mechanism that would be like hanging from a coaster kind of a thing that would be going through like big practical

like cities oh yeah it's like i guess that could be the ultimate spider-man attraction but the one in orlando is pretty perfect well let me say this this might be issue number one for me is so in terms of if you want to live out fantasies of the character which is not necessarily what this attraction is going for but it is giving you it's creating a construct

where you get to shoot webs and I'm like is that now granted I'm not really a Spider-Man kid or anything but i'm like i think it's never occurred to me to want to shoot webs now shooting webs to like up to a tree over there so i can swing really far now that's something and that's kind of what you get to do in the islands of adventure ride like to me the important part is the swinging around not the shooting objects which just sounds well look if i look down at my own wrist and a

weird gucky substance came out of it i'd be really freaked out i thought i don't think i want that at all so yeah so so okay so a couple things first of all uh in canon and they just address this in the new movie uh garfield makes his uh own like his org his mechanical web shooter does garfield garfield has garfield has it and the other two don't tom holland has mechanical they do. This is Andrew Garfield. The character Garfield is not, so the cat doesn't come out in the multiverse. The dog sleeping at my feet does not shoot webs. And not the dog who's here right now.

Andrew Garfield. Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland do the, Spider-Man has made web shooters because he's also a brilliant scientist. That is canon in the comics. Okay. Tobey Maguire has organic web shooters he has like a little little hole in his wrist that they they explain in the movie i do not want this yes

and there there is a gag where they're like wait you just do that like they're in the new movie the three of them are standing around spoiler alert they're all in the new movie um that there was like two days before they started doing tv spots where they're all standing around a shocker who could have been mad it certainly didn't seem for eight months ahead of time like yeah that's where it was going yeah one they were not constantly spotted by shooting locations one of them did not immediately leak it while doing press for another project like whoops yeah um so so yeah yeah i guess i'm agreeing with you that the swinging has always been the thing regardless of which spider-man it was yeah

that's the big thing that's when the first video game came out that was pretty good and i forget which system it was even for the whole big thing was oh wow the swinging is the thing that's the transformational experience you would want to have in an attraction or a video game or in your deepest dreams, your biggest fantasies. Swinging and... Your deepest desires. Swinging dreams. Swinging and tying guys up.

Well, tying guys up, I don't... Like webbing bad guys. Oh, I see what you're saying. Like webbing bad guys. Sure, sure. That's what I was searching for. In your web dreams. In your web dreams.

What is your deepest fantasy in your web dreams? Shooting your bullies at school with your organic web shooters that come out of your wrists. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was number two, I think. That was number two i think that was number two uh and then i guess number three would be like shooting a little web at your bully's mouth to cover his mouth so we can't talk anymore so you're like shut up pal or whatever but yes the swinging is the thing so yeah well i want to go through the whole uh cue and everything but yes

let's just start with this absolutely that's the thing and i don't think you don't have to be a spider-man expert to think that that's i'm sure 99 of everyone whoever thought that could they could be spider-man or wanted to be spider-man was like the number one thing i want to do is fly through the air you've got a character with his own built-in ride mechanism he has one and you do you get to do it incredibly in the right uh the webbing is concussive it's like blasts and yes spider-man has shoot shot like web bolts occasionally shoots like little web bullets basically to knock guys out yeah so if you're yeah if you're breaking down what's going on he's shooting like a little hard piece of webbing that can hit something and it's hard as a robot and like blow it up he's not using the web i assume the web when you get hit with the normal web stream it's kind of

soft it's there's a little impact but he is doing something i don't know exactly how he you know because he of course makes the this motion with his hands he puts the two fingers down on his web shooters or in toby's case on his own bio biology biology in his own hand goo holes when you shoot your soft stream goo out of your biology toby uses his own biology to shoot yeah uh uh so so yeah so so basically there's got to be something different whether that you do to make the web harder to make it a hardened piece yeah of projectile webbing why did all the shooting right we got so gross in toy story mania i don't know gross here in web slingers they had it in various video games they would have different kinds of

webbing or different tricks and stuff different costumes the armor there is he had this silvery armor for one or a handful issues in the comics right specifically uses to fight slash help wilson fist son the rose did you call him wilson fist wilson wilson okay good and then a character named uh night watch marvel's night watch who is just spawn they just had a character that was spawned after yeah yeah todd mcfarland left and created spawn they created a character it's very much like wrestling comic books where people are just like i'm just gonna do this i'm just gonna do bad yeah yeah so so yeah so it's there's precedent for him using the webbing like this but he's almost exclusively using webbing on this ride

in this way which is prime not the primary way the webbing is used no so yes you are 100 correct that if you want the experience of spider-Man, you want to swing. You want to do some creative stuff with it. You don't want to just flail your arms wildly shooting hard pieces of web at an onslaught of robots that just is coming at you at an insane fast rate. Yes. Yes. Boy, oh, boy. fast rate yes boy oh boy the uh now you can web if you if you move your hand forward and pull to the side you can web yes a spider bot and fling it yes and a bunch of other but then the onslaught

of spiders spider bots keep coming and you start panicking going ah and then your hands just go you stop thinking of all the fun creative ways ways maybe you could use. Any moment of strategy is tough to kind of stick with and keep doing. You know what we might owe, and I think a lot of listeners know this, but just like since we haven't said spider bot before, can we just synopsize this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They're these cute little guys. They're cute little guys. Done, hand over to the next part. Yeah, cute little guys. You're at an open house at peter parker's at the lab okay so this is yeah yeah it's a new creation for the theme park universe it's not in the movies it's not in the comics which i like this i like the idea they've built out of mythology just for the theme park the thing at avengers campus which is a place for the Avengers to work and live and wave.

And wave. Yeah. And have beers. Have beers that get poured. From the bottom. Yeah. From the bottom. Opposite pour.

Yeah. So, yes. It's an institute. It's where the young minds of the Marvel theme park universe come together. Yes. It's WEB. The Worldwide Engineering Brigade. Yes. A complicated acronym,

which is ironic because this attraction was delayed due to the worldwide COVID pandemic. Which, what is that? The worldwide COVID pandemic is not the Worldwide Engineering Brigade. No, don't. I know you were confused. I know you were confused. I know you were confused.

Don't be confused. So, yeah. So it's now built into the canon of Avengers Campus. And Peter Parker, played by Tom Holland, who's in the ride. And it's fun now because I feel like they lock all these people into making sure they're in the ride. I'm sure they don't get any extra money but it's that's a difference now that you get to see like the most famous version at the moment of these famous version of this character at the moment in the ride yeah um and he is creating spider bots that are cute as they're little guys as jason said and they're like they look like little toys. They sell the actual toys, too, which is very smart.

And he's built these spider bots, I guess, to help build stuff. They build and tear things down. They can eat up something really quick, but then with all its little legs, put something together really quick. They're like 3D printers, I guess. Yeah. But then also the opposite of it they're 3d destroyers yeah break down material and then build new things uh with it and the only there's it starts with one and he's doing his presentation and focusing on us but he's kind of all over the map a little bit so he doesn't realize that the one multiplies and multiplies and multiplies and

before you're out of that pre-show room there are so so many and what is what was meant to be an open house at web becomes now a mission through avengers campus with uh high stakes as they say to uh help spider-man take down all these spider bots yeah i i so compliments on on this ride uh yeah it is the most current it is tom holland it's the one that everyone sees in the movies at the movie theater and the big blockbusters all the kids like you know go to see it's a spider-man they know uh also the ride you get to go through the locations from Avengers Campus. Yes. A positive.

Very fun. Yeah. Like that. Sure, yeah. It ties the world together, makes it a coherent little ecosystem in a very Galaxy's Edge way, where you land the Millennium Falcon and you see all the other stuff in Batuu. I like that they're tying stuff together and making them tangible places. Yeah, including, not to jump too far ahead, the Avengers Quinjet hangar.

Take a good look and enjoy it now because you're probably not going to see it for a while. Yes, because that's where the... Going further. Yeah, going further. Into the building. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah, that's where the e-ticket was going to be,

but that is not, I don't think, on anyone's radar right now in Imagineer. I mean, it's on their radar, but it's not in the money side of things. The spider bots got in there. Yeah, destroyed the plans. They destroyed the plans and went and filled out a bunch of pink slips for all the people working on the ride. Oh, no.

They ate all the shareholders' value and turned it into pink slips. Oh, and the spider bots also went to all the Imagineers in California's houses and destroyed them. They're going to have to move to Florida. Made them move. Oh, no. They built a new campus. At that terrible lake.

Across the country. At that terrible lake. At the lake, Jason Hayes. Hey, I think history has come around and proven me right when the governor of the state is openly hostile to the company that is relocating

you know the issue remains why do you hate the lake so much you hate that body you're so mad at lake nona that's just the name of the like prefab realtor like like pseudo neighbor no but it's a it's a big no it isn't just where the imaginers live because people wrote us and said Lake Nona's cool. It isn't the entire, it's not only the Disney. Lake Nona, you're thinking, okay, here's what's going on. Jason's thinking of Lake Nona as an idea, as an idea, a concept. The concept of moving to Florida, Lake Nona represents to you, right? Well, I think it's just like the idea of moving to Westwood or like if all of Westwood was like the americana mall but i don't think that's true i don't think it's only planned housing for imagineers they made i

think it exists i think yeah that is there it exists there's a greater community and i think a very nice lake i think you've i'm sure the lake is nice no i'm sure the lake is nice we don't support okay we okay we don't support the move to florida no but the lake visually might be nice and that's what we've heard sure that's really what we're talking about it's like a real city that isn't up just a place that they made a engineer's move that's what i'm saying the florida government and the end of the airplane runways that it butts up against are beautiful really good can you provide is... So you're saying this is like if you live there your building will shake

because of the airplane. We gotta get a Google map. I don't know. You seem very confident that you know everything there is to know. We wouldn't know anything about airplanes shaking

the locations we're in. But we love Burbank, though. Yeah, we do love Burbank. So it's not a problem. Yeah, it's not in the middle of Florida. Lake Nona here. Still, you're standing so far.

You hate Lake Nona. We gave you a chance to say you don't hate Lake Nona. You hate Lake Nona. There's a Nona Golf and Country Club right next to there. Oh, boy. I bet the members of that are nice. This is funny. So, anyway, Lake Nona.

They're still, by the way, planning on. Again, I want to make it clear, I don't think that the Imagineers should have to be forced to move to Florida. No, I think we're very clear about that. I'm saying you have to remove not all of Lake Nona as an evil place. Have we not convinced you of this?

No, I think I've come back around to my original position of like, oh, this kind of sucks that you got to up uproot no no that's not what we're saying we don't like that they had to move i think i've gotten an obscene amount of like youtube ads for like start your tech you know start your tech startup in lake nona like live you've gotten ads for like i've gotten ads for like nona yeah what i've watched enough florida-based theme park stuff. Oh my gosh. I got to see these ads.

Look, Lake Nona is a place that has biomedical research facilities and a college of nursing. You aren't mad at those, are you? I think he is. I think he is. I think he hates the nursing school. He hates every bit. Lake Nona, you want it wiped off the earth. I don't know that the people going to that nursing school are going to be able to live anywhere near that nursing school.

With the current push to gentrify. Are you familiar with what happens when areas get gentrified? Like Silver Lake or Los Feliz? Yes. That's what they are literally trying to do to this Lake Nona community. But you're sure that the people who work at the hospital can't look we there's only one thing to do here like known episode has to happen like everywhere else we're gonna have to do i don't understand what the problem is like every other city in america the crunch of housing costs and stuff is getting worse and worse in central florida

so i think it's a net negative to force well that's not the forcing is not no we don't like the forcing look i don't know what your two problem is like you're so no okay okay okay hold on hold on hold on i feel like we've explained i don't understand this bit honestly the bit is funny okay the first time we ever talked about Lake Nona, I think what had happened is it sounded like you were just trashing whatever Lake Nona was. Okay. Assuming that it's like a planned community that's only a place they make people live. Right, or it was just like kind of a desolate, bad place to live. Now, maybe actually what you meant really was that you were just in general upset about

them moving the Imagineering people to Lake Nona. Which we don't like either. Which might have been coming out, which we agree with you. Yes. But the way it sounded. I'm using it as shorthand to like force. But that's what we're saying. Like tons and tons of employees.

In the first episode, you were coming off like you were saying you hated that actual place and that was a terrible place to live. And then we got a few, just a couple messages of people saying, well, Lake Nona is actually kind of nice and I like Lake Nona. Yeah.a like people listeners i am sure the neighborhoods are plenty nice i'm saying whatever mixed use horror show of like overpriced apartments and work live we work bullshit that they are forcing people to uproot their lives from southern california which is great and move to florida which has now become openly hostile towards the employees and the company they're working for of course we don't the florida

government we don't it's a shit show over there yeah we hit oh yeah florida but it was just funny the first time you were ever talking about it was just funny because it sounded like you had been to like nona knew everyone door to door was shitty and the place was like a wasteland of like sludge and stuff so that's what we were joking about the first time and that's why people and so i think also to justify this joke which i honestly i didn't want us to take a whole part of the episode i was just making a quick joke just to call back to it but the reason i think i thought that that what we were saying made sense because people email us being like oh i think lake nona is pretty good a couple people

mentioned it so i think that's what how it was coming off right you just in general being mad no i was using it as shorthand to refer to whatever this disney creative campus because that's what all the articles were just using shorthand when you say lake nona i mean the concept okay i mean the concept yes so there's so what so what i can get you to agree to is there are people in lake nona who have nothing to do with any of this and the location itself isn't a problem that's that's where the disagreement came from and that's what was funny about it because i think people like like scott and i was backing up what we were saying where you just came off like you were like saying this

like looks like shit like the physical lake looks like shit and it's a bad place to live that area uh i mean uh yeah sure i don't think this is uh worth the amount of uh ire it's getting you guys worked up in i'm not mad i just think it's funny. The way that it played out is funny and then me calling it back I think is funny but I didn't mean it to go back here. I just thought last time we said it, it was like I thought it had been settled. That's all. Yeah, no, I think it is.

I thought it was settled as well. I'm sorry for, I just, but okay, anyway, I think we've said our piece. I guess we move on. I think we're mostly on the same page. That's, I think it was just, like I think we've said our piece. I guess we move on. I think we're mostly on the same page. I think it was just, like, I think we all mostly agree on everything. I think so. Yeah.

I guess that's why I'm confused, why you are so confused. Because I was just making a callback to the joke about you hating the lake itself. I said that lake Jason hates, which is just a funny throwback. I think I missed that bit. There's been a lot of confusion. I think There's been a lot of confusion. I think there's been a lot of confusion. The first time it ever came up. Yes.

And now we leave it to the listener to sort out and parse through. You figure out what happened. Now we got to this point. I remember, okay, so right before we started into this discussion of it, I remember going, oh yeah, I can make a joke about like the old Lake Nona thing,

which we did too. Like there were two mentions of, I think, on the show. I said, oh, this will be a funny little callback where I say, oh, Jason hates that lake. And then here we are, we had the same conversation again. So, I just, honestly, I didn't mean to, I just. We have to, what we have

to do is put this aside and this has to be about teamwork because that is the message of this ride. And of Web in general. That's what Web is all about is teamwork yeah we know this yes it's true and that is why you go on this attraction and you are thinking i gotta get a better score than everybody but that's not what you should be thinking right you have to be working together yes um which is a notion that i only

understood after watching several YouTube videos and that I don't understand based on going on the ride. Yeah, it's also kind of set up idiot-proof, so you can't work against each other? I guess you could work... I don't think so, no. I was curious of what happens if you go on, if you have four people in your party

and no one slings whips, if you just sit does it just start does spider-man just take care of everything because it just has to move along and there's certain beats of it and certain you know you move from up here you move down south and spider-man is in the cage and the tavan collection and it drops like all that's going to happen no matter what yeah so it seems like there's like a base animation here that's going to happen no matter what. Yeah. So it seems like there's, like, a base animation here that's going to happen, and you just, you add, it's customized based on what you do. And there are different things in, like, secrets and stuff in the same way the Toy Story has, like, kind of unlock situations. But it's, like, the basic version of it, I think, plays out, like you're saying, in a normal way or what the normal way for the program is um but yeah i don't the ride is still too

popular to like go on and have a fun like don't shoot anything like there's not like if you're going on it like i don't know that i've seen any videos of like look what i did i went on web shooters and i lied down on the seat look like look what happened we're not experimenting like you would be with a ride that's been there for a decade the the line has never not been very long that i have seen and let me say this um the the thing that has become my the torch that i'm carrying i guess skippable versus unskippable cues this is the most skippable cue i've ever seen you're standing in that you're just going around and around in that courtyard. There's like two weird gun inventions and four signs with a scientist on it.

And I've only done it and it's been 50 minutes. I would, no, the pre-show I like. I like Tom Holland, fun little routine. I like when they auto-call Tony Stark and he goes, no, no, no, like all that. But that outside cue, I would love to never do again. It's kind of a heat trap. Yeah.

You know, we could really use another thing from Universal, fans everywhere. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, they've got a bunch of gizmos everywhere. Why don't they invent some fans? Build them into the gizmos. I like the profiles profiles of like the

other geniuses like the other not uh uh who's in there uh dorian green squirrel girl uh is in there the the character squirrel girl luna lafayette uh moon girl she's friends with a giant dinosaur named devil dinosaur yeah that's. There's good little stuff. Okay, yeah, you're right. The outside cue is not great. There's little signs, at least, that show other Marvel characters, which if you know the names, like Jason and I know some of these names, you go, well, there's the name I know.

Harley. And you get a little. Keener? Is that his name? That's the character's name? The character that I leaned over after uh the avengers funeral uh scene and i went who was that kid and you were like it's the kid from iron man 3 and i'm like oh yeah yeah uh tony stark befriends a kid in iron man 3 okay uh and he helps him rebuild the

iron man suit is that what happens he's kind of a boy genius, too. There's a lot of kid geniuses in the Marvel Universe. Yeah, and this is like Mensa or the Gifted program. I see, yeah. That's what Webb is. Were we in programs, the three of us, when we were kids? Because I was in the Gifted program. Yeah, there was a lot of pressure on me in the Gifted program.

Gifted, Jason? Oh, no, my brother was in it, and then later on there was like an additional like a more broader uh semi the gifted program that for whatever reason i was not put in but i was allowed to go on the field trips that they got to go in on i have no idea what the logic of this was i did get to go there would be like extra like the kids who were actors like there would be workshops or stuff that i would did get to go, there would be like extra, like the kids who were actors, like there would be workshops or stuff that I would occasionally get to do.

You were a gifted actor. Thank you. And still are. Still am. Still remain, yeah. Still am. Can't get arrested in this town, but I like to think I still am.

Well, look, we need, listeners need to put us in things, okay? Podcasters only add additional, please. That's our last chance. You said the quiet part loud mike hey we're getting old so yeah now i've lost my train of thought on this there's a sign so there's signs with some character but you would agree that you could have the signs and then have

a better cue anything else yeah because you're really just looping around you know what i don't like is that you're going into this backstage area. There's some forced perspective around there, and there's a weird kind of crane piece that you're very far away from, and you think that that's a big mechanical crane that's building some new exciting thing at Avengers Campus. And then the queue gets you right to the bottom of it, and the forced perspective is ruined. And you're like, this is just a little crane.

It's a tiny crane, yeah. Maybe an Ant-Man. Maybe it was an experiment at Pim Labs that made it tiny. perspective is ruined and you're like this is just a little crane it's a tiny crane yeah maybe an ant man maybe it was an experiment at yeah that made it tiny yeah slightly tiny uh uh so yeah no the outside like there needs to be some more like whimsy in that outdoor line i don't think they're ever going to change it there's no not much room but it is like i don't we really haven't talked about like cue patterns the the patterns of certain cues, like the way you kind of crisscross through. And for whatever reason, this one feels very unpleasant. I think it's like too confusing for me where I kind of like I'm going through the cue and I keep going, well, wait, what do I have to do?

And you're kind of going, like looking ahead. I agree with you completely. There is a way that you can spread these things out where you feel like you have made progress it's a psychological thing you get like a big you know if like if you're stuck in traffic but and then you get a surge oh actually we kind of hey we kind of went straight away there for a little bit and now i'm stuck again but it felt good to go a little fast and the more that you're clustered and just like wait there's another switchback and another switchback another switchback totally yes andback and another switchback.

Totally. Yes. And it's, yeah, there's something, it could be the same amount of time you wait. But if the line is structured in the right way, it feels better. And I don't know. I don't have the equation for what that looks like. What's the good way to do it? But this is like one of the worst ones as far as making you feel like, oh, God, where do we have?

I'm confused. I thought we were closer. We're not closer. You know what I think it is? It's just physical footprints. And I understand that they are working with what they had to work with. This is built out of the shell of the it's tough to be a bug theater. And it's kind of amazing how little changed.

I think they fit it all in that theater building. There's not a ton of space here. I was about to compliment the queue for Rise of the Resistance where there's so many rooms and you don't feel like you're doing a lot of switchback. So it feels brisk even if you're in a long line because like new room, new thing to look at. But that's a huge physical footprint too.

So that's some of the challenge. If you don't have a lot of space to put that line, it can feel like a bummer to be there for a while. Yeah, they did their best. There's no room here. So I get it that this is what they needed to do. But it is a bad line. Yeah.

It is a bad line to wade in. It's not great. It did have the virtual queue. For the first little bit, it was open. The day we were there, it was before the the day we were there it was before the magic keys started i think we bought one day tickets we had to all like jump on our phones to do the 7 a.m virtual queue got it got in the car and the group was pretty soon like the group got called when i was pulling into the parking garage oh Oh, yeah. That was stressful. And you were walking out of the parking garage.

I remember that. So, it was a little stressful. And then, like, I'm, like, running to get over there. And then, you were like, oh, they've been doing a buffer. This is, like, the third day it's been open. Like, no one knows what's going on. Yeah. It's like, oh, I should have double-checked that before I, like.

You shouldn't have, like, dead sprinted. Yeah, yeah. Tom Cruise- dead sprinted yeah tom cruise style sprinted tom cruise with the arms with the like very sharp arms yeah yeah so so yeah that we i guess we've still waited for a while on that one but yeah you can yeah you can do lightning lane now for it i guess and skip although uh people just lightning lane that i was with yesterday uh and they still felt like they were way like they went into the ride and they came out like 30 minutes later and i was like that was the lightning lane for like yeah like that took forever i felt that with lightning lanes and with rise and with this spiderman ride yeah lightning lanes and virtual

queues have still all made it you're still given given this thing, like an hour minimum of like, it is not like you're suddenly just in there. Lightning Lane should get you right on the ride. Virtual queue, okay, sure. It's like you're waiting and there's a little extra, but like if you're paying $15 for one ride, you should walk onto the ride. You should be able to do as much,

like it shouldn't take 30 extra minutes. You paid an extra 15 yeah i i know kevin purger has talked about this in his feature length defunct land video about fast passes but i i was reading like posts on reddit because we were talking about lightning lane and i was reading about fast pass lightning lane stuff where like former cast members were talking about doing it and the different like at some point in time they had a red green yellow system of and and it would be based on like 10 to 1 15 to 1 20 25 to 1 which would be like 10 fast pass guests to one regular get and that's why standby lines would get so bloated because

they were letting in they had to make the fast pass seem like it was worth it like the trouble and in theory you would want the lightning lane to be even more worth it because you're shelling out money you're not just shelling out like the time to do the research of the fast pass or go and get the little ticket or whatever but it's crazy or has lightning lane just made all of it much worse? I feel like the park was so pleasant right before Lightning Lane. And lately, just like, boy, everything's 45 minimum. Well, there's still, I think, inflating the times to make you buy Genie Plus and Lightning

Lane. I was saying that the other day, but I was there a couple of days ago and it was nothing but sizable. So you were finding that lately the lines have been i'll be honest the last time i was there which was yesterday uh i didn't go on any rides so i actually didn't oh yeah i only went on two because it was like it was just one of those oh you went on the train you're right you're right mike got off at toontown and i rode it back to main street and then rode it all the way again just two loopsaced in two loops? Yeah, my leg was really hurting yesterday, so I was just taking, I rode the train around

a couple times and went in some shops on Main Street and then got out of there. Wow, wow. And we were at the front to get into the queue for the train, and Jason asked the cast member there, he goes, is the Lily Bell running today? And she's like, no, sorry. I've been doing this for 10 years, it's never worked it's never back in 2011 2012 there was a lot of people online going like if you go to city hall and ask about the lily bell and it happens to be on the tracks and there's not a private party booked for like there was you used to be able to get like a

certificate or a ticket that you present it to theors or to the train people, and they would let you in. And I have never successfully done that. It's one of the things. I've captained the Mark Twain. I have not ridden in the nice decorated train car. It's your white whale. We've got to make that happen. Also, yesterday, we said, how many trains are on the tracks?

Because we were waiting a while, and they're like, like there's only two so it's taken a while yeah i think i might be standing yeah i've been waiting a long time for those trains so yeah no everything they've done lately has uh made guest experience worse yeah it's yeah seems like it seems like disney world's awful lately yeah i have not been obviously but yeah disney world seems like there's even more problems i will say this i've been talking i had talked about uh genie plus this will be real quick i promise genie plus uh i did use genie plus on a day a couple months ago and i i can i've conquered it i know how to do it well and i can it's it's not but it's not just it's basically the same as the fast pass plus uh so it's it's the same checking like i can check it all day and

get like an immediate time if i check well enough i see you okay okay you know how to you know how to surf it i can see yes i surfed it all day with friends who were in from out of town and i just it was we did everything delivered for him good yeah you did that for park reservations too you and i were hunting to get me a park reservation because we have each other's tickets yep and it it is like i checked i checked enough reservation for the next day yeah well if you can't when people cancel they open up and if you are watching it you can hop on it real quick yeah the only thing is you can open like three different web pages that give you multiple different views and then you keep getting logged out.

Yeah. You're constantly getting the emails saying you've logged in. It's very... I sat on the couch. It was not great. I sat on the couch for like 30 straight minutes and hit back and forward on the calendar. And then it finally... I saw one.

I clicked it. I got it. Jeez. Well, this is a Spider-Man type. Yeah. Heroic action. Web checkers. Yeah yeah yeah web web being the internet i shot my organic web uh checking shooter my biology at the computer experienced your check

dreams my check dreams uh so yeah the queue yeah the queue outside um i will say once you get inside though i do think some of that stuff is cool and i like sort of the feeling of it yeah being lived like there's people like have their stuff there they're like the marvel characters have their like i don't know there's civilian stuff there's a bike hanging inside the gate right yeah and there's like a million that squirrel girl's bike yeah yeah um Yeah. Um, there, uh, Cassie Lang, who is Ant-Man's daughter in the comics becomes Ant-Man.

Uh, Ant-Person? Ant-Person. I don't know. I'm not sure. Uh, but she has a locker. She has one of the lockers and then it's got a little door on it. Like a little ant size ladder and door on the bottom of it.

I like that the graffiti outside there's a tag there's like graffiti tag and it's autographed miles morales uh who you know he did the yeah so which raises a lot of uh multiverse space questions right he exists in the theme park universe but does not exist in the mcu proper yet and that that is a big gripe i have with the current uh state of marvel after that doctor strange movie because in this ride there's a clock set to 6 16 which is 616 is the main continuity marvel universe in the comics and in the but in the doctor strange movie someone says to bened Cumberbatch, you're from the 616.

Your universe is 616. And I'm like, wait a minute. But you've been saying that the movies are their own universe and the theme park is their own universe and the comics are their own. So they show all different numbers by your own multiverse logic. So you walked out. Any time I feel like i'm livid look if i feel like i'm not into this stuff anymore and then i see this stuff and i get real gassed up i was like i guess i'm still invested kind of makes me feel better that's interesting because i actually liked i see what

you're saying though i didn't think about it when they said 616 which is the comic book universe because there's been multiverses in the comics forever and they have different names for the different universes. But yeah, I guess you're right. I guess they should have made the movie something 617. Yeah. It's like an area code, basically. Sure. Or 169, like 16 by 9, like movie widescreen.

That's cute. It's not a time, but sure. That is cute, though. In this universe, there's a. It's not a time, but sure. That is cute, though. In this universe, there's a 169 that's a time. 160. Oh, man.

Bawdiness. Oh, no. That isn't the Raspecker show, either, is it? 16 by 9. Oh, you're saying 16 by 9.

Oh, 16 by 9. 169. But when you say 169, then it's dirty. Wait, what Jason wants is for one of these movies to have 169. Okay, we wait i what jason wants is for one of these movies to have 169

okay we'll solve it we'll call the universe 235 like the one uh that's a time yeah yeah that is a style of widescreen aspect but get a 69 we'll get it yeah one of these movies um i have a question about this uh about this ride okay um and i asked this when i was on it with you guys and maybe i am dumb for not knowing the answer i kind of get it but i i was it's i think it just speaks to the confusion of this ride that i'm in the ride vehicle it's starting and i ask why can i sling webs like oh what is it the vehicle's doing it it's the vehicle yeah uh-huh and it okay i know that it's fake and i'm just in 3d glasses and it's scanning my body which is very cool i like that moment you're looking down at your little like frame uh that's being mo-capped live and that's

very responsive and great but um let's say that it really was, okay, if this is reality, where's the webs coming from? Do I have metal things on my wrist or are they coming out of my body? I think they're coming out of the vehicle. They're still coming out of the vehicle. But if you're willing to dish out $35 and maybe $30 on top of that,

you can buy the web power band and the other web tech add-ons yes and then it's coming out of your hands in the in the reality of the ride i support well then you in theory the power up that that gives you like the first one gives you multi-fire webs and then the others personalize it to like other right so character kind of powers ghost spider iron man rescue other characters so we're talking about yeah there's there's basically like a little accessory you can buy to put on your wrist that makes the gameplay different differently and you have different

like sort of powers but if we're talking about the reality of the ride i think yeah when you don't have one of these uh purchasable things the vehicle is shooting out of what little little holes in the front yeah like rotating i don't know the answer is what i'm saying yeah i kind of know but where like if i'm looking at the vehicle where is it where are my webs coming little holes in the front of the vehicle a little grill not screen i mean screen like a car. A little grill. I think it's like in Minority Report when Tom Cruise is moving stuff in the air. His hands are

dictating where things are going and doing things. I'm like the Travago guy moving deals into place. Like the Travago guy. In the virtual space, the Travago guy. This initially was a Travago ride and then they sort of added the overlay of Spider-Man. And then they're like, ooh,

it's too hot. This guy's too hot. Gotta get him out of here. Travago ride is something that I would like because there's a checking and deals. It's about checking and a cool swarthy guy. You'd get on it and like, you don't get 3D glasses they just ask you to unbutton your shirt

a couple notches. Uh-huh so so i like the yeah the original version the travago ride but yes i think i so the answer is i think and i will say a gripe i would have with this ride is they throw so much stuff at you right away which is a newer thing with a lot of rides where like like avatar or something where it's like there's so much information you have to learn. You have to learn that web exists. You have to learn that Spider-Man has built all these things, but they've also malfunctioned. And he's trying to get Tony,

like he doesn't want to tell us Tony Stark. And like, this happens within like so quick, like you can miss, I think all these details. Yeah. If you go on five times, like whatever.

Yeah. And then you're, yeah. He says like, get the, these vehicles ready. And I'm like, yeah. He says like, get these vehicles ready. And I'm like, what are these vehicles? And it's not just a car or something. It's like.

Also, I invented something else. Get in them. Right. It's like so much thrown at you really quickly that I think, yeah, it was just like, you should all, hey, we're here and we can all train like Spider-Man. You pass through some portal and now you can shoot webs. Go get in this car and do it. Yeah, yeah.

But they throw so much backstory to justify what you're doing. And it's similar to the Avatar pre-shows where you're just like, it could be simpler like Big Thunder. Woody has invented a machine that takes people woody has broken the rules of reality where toys uh have to pretend that they aren't alive for people and he shrunk you down to the size of a toy and he's also invented a special vehicle with a special string and ball that allows you this is too many things and let's just break down real quickly how the string and ball

gun works like let's see the side view of it when it was being built like so much detail and you're like yeah okay not that all this stuff doesn't really hurt the right experience because it is what it is but it is it is confusing i just think it's weird that i don't know the clear answers to these i think very basic questions about what's happening on it. I do wish they did that complicated Toy Story backstory for the old Toy Story Zoetrope that used to be.

They would move around. The old-timey... The animation thing? Yes, the statues that spin real fast and they're all a little different. And then when they project strobe lights on it, it looks like they're animated. It's in motion animated which i believe has ended up at the academy museum the new oh really oscars museum yeah yeah it is i saw somebody just told me they saw it there um yeah so

yeah hey we're all uh i grant you uh spider powers get out there yeah yeah that'd be fine with me kid doesn't that they could do it's a magic anything can happen yeah Dr. Strange said yeah Dr. Strange which okay maybe that leads me into my next little discussion point because we can talk about what happens

in the levels and where the spider bots get loose and what happens but something that does not happen and the listeners probably know this is that there is not a villain as opposed to the spider-man ride in florida where you encounter many villains nothing but villains this is completely villain free and i understand that the plot does not necessitate it but again like how what if you go to the the quinjet hangar and a villain got in there and then you're gonna fight the villain there's a big spider bot that's good but like why am i

are we sure are we sure no villains why why is it definitively it just seems like it'd be and again i don't know spider-man very well i don't i couldn't name all the characters in that orlando ride but they're all cool and I like when they show up. You're saying, why isn't Michael Morbius the living vampire on this ride? Of course. And I agree with you. Why isn't Morbius Spider-Man's nemesis? He's more of an anti-hero than a nemesis.

He's been a bad guy. Well, maybe he helps sometimes. Scott, I'm right there with you. I do know a little more about Spider-Man's bad guys and he's got a great rogues gallery like he's got he's got a deep bench the bench is bench deep bench rogues uh beyond sinister six of course but so do you even just take those he's got swarm a man made of mutant bees entirely out of mutant bees not just partially he doesn't have just have a bee hand yeah entirely out of mutant bees he's got the rose wilson fisk's son who

leaves a rose as a calling card when he kills people uh yeah i i the sinister well of course in florida it's the sinister syndicate okay because there's only five of them okay and they are uh off the top of my head dr octopus sandman uh no hydra man uh electro shriek shriek yeah and hobgoblin not green goblin yeah hobgoblin's the pumpkin one uh it's very similar to green goblin came along in the 80s but he's orange but he's orange i see cool costume very good good list um yeah i mean great like and i don't expect them to repeat what's in that attraction but something i just like again it's one of those where we like the story and the way that they've missed out on a little fun maybe in galaxy's edge by backing themselves into a story corner yeah maybe we're missing some fun here yeah i'm not sure what the rationale is for it,

because Spider-Man creates the problem himself by making these self-replicating robots, which seems like a huge mistake. Yeah, and I don't think of Spider-Man necessarily as self-defeating. I think he gets in tough spots because he has to make hard decisions and balance his double lives. You're saying Spider-Man does not self-sabotage. He doesn't self-sab and balance his double lives you're saying so

spider-man does not self-sabotage he doesn't self-sabotage you're right sometimes he does but it's because something in something in the other part of one of his lives either his civilian identity or right his secret identity you know his superhero identity uh he's he's usually something goes wrong because he's trying to take care of something else. Yeah. But yeah, he is not self-defeating in that specific way.

Like he is on this ride in a way, like he really is negligent here, but I guess there's still, he's still just a kid and he's been given like, just like a giant country's military budget to build whatever he wants in this new thing, this new company, new uh company i guess that tony stark is funny because tony stark is still alive in the marvel theme park universe

is his voice a little odd yes but he is alive about that um can i um uh so they just announced uh recently that this all uh they're putting web slingers at the Disneyland, Walt Disney Studios Park, at Disneyland Paris, at their Avengers campus, and they announced it with an Iron Man video. And I just, what do you guys think of this Iron Man?

Friday, get me on the air, all platforms. I know we're going to interrupt a lot of cat videos. You're saying it started, we're hearing Iron Man right now? Yeah, that's... You may know me. You mean, like, dude? It's like dude.

Like Dr. Evil. How about no, Scott? Yeah, it is a little Dr. Evil. I'm glad someone else said it too. I was going to say it's like everyone who's ever been on Saturday Night Live does impressions of Lorne Michaels, but that's like the worst. That's like a guy who thinks he can who can't. Yeah, yes, the show goes on. Yes, I'm Lorne.

C minus Lorne. It's hard. Look, Downey had a lot of leverage because he was first, so he didn't have to do all this stuff. Yeah. It's also like uh i believe that iron man i think that's the animatronic that's going to be in line for oh yeah yeah first flight which is the redone the redone rock and roller coaster oh yeah but helpful to do iron man because one you don't need to make it look like human face it's a little robotic already yeah and like do we know are they

playing like uh uh either like iron man black sabbath iron man oral acdc on the ride that's a good idea i don't know that is a good idea mike i the other question we had is will that web slingers have footage of the events of the ride going through their Avengers campus versus ours? Or will it be like Soarin' where- Oh, yeah, that's a good question. Where for years in Florida, you were soaring over Southern California's Disney Park. I don't know.

We'll see. But I would just like to keep, I would like the idea that rock and roll stays in that building. I don't like the idea that rock has left. I don't want to lose rock. I don't want to lose rock i don't want to lose rock and yes people have sent me uh the aerosmith residency has been postponed because of steven

tyler going into rehab so i saw it yeah jeez so losing rock yeah but rock will he'll he'll rock again nimgaloo will rock again i believe um so so yeah i will real quick i like the lockers in the queue too you see those lockers they're like painted like you know what i'm talking about well that's why i was saying cassie aunt aunt man oh you were talking about those yeah the lockers uh i thought there was another thing i was missing but yeah there are like all these lockers and they're all kind of painted like their outfits heroes yeah like the outfits, which I think that's cool. But yes, the ride itself, it's disorienting. Yeah. It is tiring.

Like Toy Story is tiring, but this one's tiring. And even like, maybe your arm doesn't hurt as much, but your brain is like more tired. It's just exhausted. After a very hot line, and then you go, Arm doesn't hurt as much, but your brain is more tired. It just sticks to us. After a very hot line, and then you go flail around. You got to flail those arms a lot. And as a... All right, so we just did the canoes,

and there was the discussion of the physical exertion there. I'm much more tired after web slingers because the canoe is it's it's this one repetitive motion that's kind of calming as opposed to just ah everywhere how does this work is this even the right way to do it what if i swing this way that way that way like it's i yeah i think it is mental and physical and exhaustion and then to your point earl a little earlier is that yeah and then you don't even have the satisfaction of seeing one of spider-man's rogues gallery like hanging from the web at the end like we did something like really we should be more like upset by the end of the right because we're like look tom you did this we're just cleaning up your

mess spider-man yeah you know what i mean there's like some act a little more maybe right exactly i mean he thanks us a little bit i mean? There's like some odd. He gets thanked a little more, maybe. Right, exactly. I mean, he thanks us a little bit, I think. But it's like, we're not even helping him on some like bigger threat. It's like, you screwed up, dude. And now, instead of us having like a leisurely training session, we had to clean up your mess. And we didn't have the leisurely time, which I think if this Spider-Bot thing wasn't happening

in the narrative of the ride, we would get to do more of what we're saying we want, test out the webs, use it to pull like a barrel over, use it to swing. We get to really take our time. But that being said, Tom Holland Spider-Man is screwed up and now we're paying the price. Yeah. Wow. I mean, I think the other thing that i it's not as big of a deal as the rogues gallery but i do think spider-man is i mean it's trite to say nowadays that like new york city is a character but new york spider-man is a new york superhero he lives in queens like that was like a big part of it he's a regular guy from an outer borough. And that is a thing that you get in the Florida one. You go through New York.

You swing through New York. So you're missing New York. Would you say New York's a character? You know, I unfortunately did. I miss it a little bit. I do like that it's like this is all taking place in the old Stark Motors factory and stuff. Sure, sure.

Like the campus. I think now that they filled it out, like I think a thing I was skeptical about early on, like will they keep adding characters? And they have kept that up. It's like new movies and shows have gone out. Other characters have been showing up. We can't say enough good things about all the amount of characters that have popped in and out and quickly gone like they're for like two days and then they're gone like loki and his prison outfit was there for like two days and then he's gone and i think it's clever that like that one of the scenes in the ride you end up in pym

test kitchen and they're like getting big and small and like the pretzel gets big well as far as avengers campus but like i think we were a little bit like in the middle on it initially i will say i've grown to like the campus a lot more i agree yeah yeah and i look forward to going there and hanging just hanging out and like chilling out there i think that's good about it and i think yeah that that bar is very strong and i've had good things at that restaurant and there's yes and we said we said in the show, like, Ant-Man walking around with the Bugs Land little thing. That's fun. I mean, that's terrific.

They're, like, adding. It feels like they're easily able to add, like, little ideas to it to keep it alive, which is great. I mean, that's what you want. Yeah. Yeah. The nice thing about, like, comic book logic comic book logic is like yeah you can't do anything and justify it pretty easily you know yeah um so so yeah as far as avengers camp as a whole i certainly have a lot more fondness for that area now and look forward to going there when i'm in

the parks but i i mean maybe we're winding down here but if I have to say if I like the actual ride experience of Spider-Man, I would have to say I don't. Wow. You met me. It's too much. Now, is it... I mean, I'm trying to think, because

basically it comes back to what we were saying earlier about how the thing with Spider-Man is you were never imagining just shooting hard pieces of web. That wasn't the thing that you dreamed of doing. You wanted to swing. Now, if it's a different character, if it's Cyclops from the X-Men and he has his, of course, ruby quartz visor on. We know he has that. That's his thing that protects his eyes from just going out of control shooting his optic optic blasts which are concussive not heat based necessarily yes cyclops's optic blasts won't

melt you but they'll like throw you into a wall at such a high speed it could kill you yeah if that makes sense like it was his you do you know who cyclops is scott no okay jane uh james mars Marsden's classic performance. He's got like a yellow visor on and there's like a red thing here. I don't know if,

yeah, maybe. You've seen him. Anyway. Or it could be Iron Man. Iron Man shoots. Iron Man shoots things out of his hands. Yeah, I know that.

So it's like, it almost felt like it's the wrong character to do this with. I think you would still find it. Oh, there's an idea this with. I think you would still find it. Oh, there's an idea. Yeah, I think you would still find it a little bit too fast and disorienting and some of the same issues.

But I think that it might be more fun because at the very least, you're in the headspace of the character that this motion makes more sense for. So Cyclops would kind of, depending on whichops, like he would touch the side of his, his visor to like shoot a laser beam essentially. So say it was a Cyclops ride and you're shooting like you're, and the thing is like tracking your eyes and you're looking up and down and you would pretend you're hitting the side of your face or something that at least I would kind of be in the headspace of a, of a kid when I was little and I would be like,

this is cool. I'm doing what Cyclops does. I'm shooting things and i'm shooting them fast because that's what's that's what i wanted to do like to use his powers as a kid so there's a bunch of other characters i feel like who this ride makes more sense for hmm that's an interesting pitch yeah but yeah i mean i don't that's not gonna happen but it's it's i get why they ended up with this because it's a very small footprint and they had to do something that felt action-packed i mean they're doing trying to you know serve 10 different ideas or 10 different uh mandates maybe gotta be action-packed gotta feel like you're you are the superhero which is the whole big thing but yeah i feel like a

different character makes more sense yeah um i think well i was gonna say um kind of an inadvertent uh nod to the florida ride in that the in-between moments uh there are a lot of pipes and barrels in crates those classic theme park things. But again, the Florida one, usually there's practical effects. Usually there's mist something. Sometimes there's just a pipe that explodes that the Hobgoblin's bomb gets out of the way.

That's incredible. There's nothing in these hallways. Yeah, and so you kind of see the behind the scenes a little too much when you go by two screens and you settle at the first one or the second one. Especially there's the notion that you're hopping all around Avengers campus. Now you're in the Pym lab. Now you're in the Tavon collection, the Guardians. But there's no way you did that travel.

There's no way you made it actually to all those places because you just went around a corner so you never feel like i'm it doesn't go fast enough or simulate the idea that like now you're whipping over to the guardians fortress and now you're over here and that and the other thing about those places is they're kind of empty like where are the other people like i'm not even saying like it'd be cool to have ant-man or some of the guard or like rocket or going like what are you doing but even just-man or some of the guard or like rocket or going like what are you doing but even just having a guy go like the classic like hey spider-man like just you know a dock worker yelling like you want this you want spider-man what are you doing you want those new yorkers well and she you know the real heroes uh the citizens of new york you mess with

one of us you mess with all of us all you want that character i i think and that would probably be uh pain in the ass to program you know the fast and furious digital people it likes people running around in title safe exits or whatever but i think it it might fill it out if you're gonna keep it spider bots like it'd be kind of cool to see people reacting like what is going on we're calling iron man there should be it should be almost like they they're in the same way that uh star tours you there's the rebel spy and they take a picture they should like be face mapping people out in the park live and then throw them

on the in the ride so you see like people you've actually passed by every day. Right, every day. Yeah, there's just such a tiny amount of space there that, yeah, some of that stuff doesn't feel as seamless as any of the practical transition things on Spider-Man or Transformers, which goes from screen to screen and still gives you some feeling of like,

oh, yeah, I'm just sort of turning around in the world. performers which goes from screen to screen and still gives you some feeling of like oh yeah i'm just sort of turning around in the world yeah i mean i think a lot of the the busyness of the footage comes from like the millennium falcon it's not the same ride every time because it has to render your actions it has to render what's going on on screen based on your actions blowing up things and stuff yeah but i've come around a little more on this ride because i figured out the easier way to do it is you just punch you just punch kind of like spider-man's black costume in the cartoon where like you shoot and venom uh which his webs shoot from the back of his hand uh top of his like wrist not here not here not the underside

but the top of your hand. And that is much more pleasant and that's how I've actually been able to get decent scores. But it's so much less satisfying than doing the Spider-Man motion. I really liked the black costume as a kid. So for me it's working more. The main thing. Yeah, that main motion

is fun. This is what you want. You've been doing it. Yeah. Can we hear that the sound of one hand clapping yeah i mean i appreciate that they've color-coded each rider with your webs and the uh scoreboard but it it's so busy it's really confusing and i don't like the feeling of um hey i actually did okay in that one well maybe I'll keep going with the strategy I've been using. Next round, I did way worse. I don't like the inability to learn.

I don't know how to get better at this. And maybe it is this teamwork thing. You might have to go into it with a plan. I watched a video that was saying, all right, just everybody go after the spider bot as soon as you see them. Or there's lasers you can activate in the Quinjet area that will just decimate all of the spider bots.

But at the same time, who wants to be in that line and then be the guy going, okay, guys, so we got to come up with a plan here. All right, huddle up. Stop having fun and side conversations and playing the game with your phone. We got to get down to business if we want to be the team that takes this for the day you don't think jason and i would do that i mean i guess yeah we probably do that no no i'm the problem

focus up here it would be nice it's like hey can you put it on tired dad mode for our screen please thank you uh yeah i don't know i was trying to think of something else yeah i was saying i i've come i've come around on avengers campus i think i've come around on the ride more because i'm starting to figure out the tricks i've definitely blown up a lot of barrels yeah and i think that's helped i'm not yeah it's i i i understand all of the the limitations of it but it, it's still, even though it took me probably a while to figure out to get a higher score on toy story. Initially, just, it was very satisfying pulling pleasurable experience to do that motion and this one is still like i've done it maybe four times now and i'm like okay one of these days i'm really gonna get it um and it's difficult and i feel in a similar way like it makes sense it's

been built in the same era as millennium falcon because it kind of feels a little overthinky and like oh you have to be part of this whereas some of it you go i could just watch i could just watch a video of you guys doing this yeah like times a little more exciting and it feels like i wonder if there was any consideration to just having just a straight up training program that was somewhat exciting like all right i'm spider man i'm going to show you how to web swing or whatever and like we all do this and we all shoot a web and then in 3d the car feels like it swings and we're swinging and swinging and swinging and then the vulture shows up and you got to fight sure great it goes wrong something goes wrong but i feel like if you could

like if the car like just kind of rocked itself a little bit with a decent 3D screen, at the very least, you could kind of give everybody the sensation that we were going, and you could still have, like, the web appear in your 3D. And, like, I feel like there's moments like that that would stick longer in your mind. And it's in a similar way to Money in Falcon, where your brain is just like, I got to figure this out.

And it's not so many memorable things in the video game part of it the lack of just moments yeah i remember the coaxium part when you crash in millennium falcon i guess is the one i remember i remember there i've been on a lot now but it's not as we've said before it's not like the stuff on star tours we remember where you remember so many moments and big things that happen on star tours and a lot of it is because like you're not just like frantically doing something yeah yeah i i don't think i am and and maybe i'm not the target for it but like there was a moment in dr strange i feel like where they reference one very specific element from one of the tv shows and i had remembered that from the tv show i was like

oh huh that's kind of a fun little callback but like i don't i i that doesn't feel as satisfying as yeah like you were saying star tours or like falling at the end of amazing adventures to spider-man then you're caught in a big web or like transformersers bumblebee catches uh that uh yeah i guess moment the finest ride them that was that was one that i am still very that was the original maybe too busy screen ride for me transformers yeah oh there's great but yeah yeah watch your words you're gonna i know well big garage soon i yeah, that'll be a big thing. Yeah. So, hey, I'll be... Yeah, you want moments like that, like the big drop into Bumblebee or whatever it is.

You want songs where none of us can remember when the songs play. And it turns out we were both correct, and they're different. Both right. But they're different parts of that. Not in a way both wrong. That's true, yeah.

It's all confusing is the point. And you want to get thanks, as you were thanked by... Yes. That's true. The solution keeps being make it more like Transformers the ultimate ride. It's always in life in general. Less interactivity more Bruckheimer.

Has Bruckheimer produced those? Wait, no. Michael Bay? I always get those two confused. I don't remember. I think Bruckheimer's involved in producing. Michael Bay then. I think that I always get those two confused I think Brooke Hemmer is involved in producing Michael Bay then I think that I always get those two Mixed up but they work together Sure so Yeah I think I just think there was maybe

Even a simpler version of it That yeah wouldn't have been as good as Orlando Because they don't have the room or whatever But would have left you going oh that was a cool little Use of space and it's a fun Whatever C ticket, B ticket, whatever you would call it. And you could still have a lot of the elements

that they have in there. Oh, I remember one of the things I wanted to say that I don't think we've mentioned yet. I like Sharon. I like the voice assistant. Uh-huh, I didn't know that name. Throughout the ride. They say it real quick at the top and I think in the pre-show room.

I don't know. I just like that voice. I think it's a good performance. I think they play off Tom Holland pretty well. I don't know who does that voice. Oh, I don't either. At first, I thought it was Alison Brie, but now I don't think so. I think it might just be a voice actor.

Is she original to the ride? I think she's original to the ride so i i like that yeah you're right yeah yeah and add some fun levity and like giving the sort of computerized dire stakes of what's happening but makes it kind of casual now it's really really bad yeah i think that's a thing that they started like in the first Iron Man movies kind of came out. And then as the iPhone, as like Siri and all the voice assistants got better and better, I was like, well, they were kind of right about that. You know, I got to give them credit. Like, I like Jarvis. I like Friday.

You know? A lot of AI voices. Yeah. Sharon. Did it stand? It has to stand for something, right? I don't know if it stands for something. Is it just a nod to Mrs to stand for something, right? I don't know if it stands for something.

Is it just a nod to Mrs. Ozzy Osbourne herself? I think, yeah, I think it's a nod to Sharon Osbourne. To Sharon and Oz. They were going for it. Or Ozzy. Sharon.

Remember when he would just yell Sharon? Sharon. Yes, I do remember that. Well, she should be in the universe because as I said, I want Iron Man to be playing in Paris.

So maybe they have to work on it. They may have worked on it. That's the way to get. Okay, I see. Yeah. To work out. Sharon Osbourne, welcome to the MCU. She's in the third post-credits scene in the last movie.

Whoa, can you believe it? Well, did we do it? I think we did it. Yeah, yeah. And I will once again apologize to the lake and the residents of Lake Nona and I'm gonna, I am gonna work on finding a shorthand for the Disney mixed-use boondoggle

thing so I don't insult a whole neighborhood. And now I finally understand. You get it. I i finally understand i get it i get it now it only took me uh 15 months uh i was just sometimes you see sometimes i'm a little stupid i don't know that hang on we were we weren't calling you stupid i just honestly every as we were doing the last hour of the podcast i'm going i kept there's a person in brain going, hey, you remember when we had that Lake Nona argument earlier today? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. I'm trying to finish a podcast.

Yeah, yeah. It's really strict. Just like explode it. Like all the Lake Nona feelings all replicated like spider body. Yes. Took over our brains and bodies. You were trying to clearly do one bit, and I thought I was just being frank and discussing details I had read about

in various editorials and all. I didn't think any of it was a bit. It seemed like a just earnest discussion, it felt like, to me, which I hope makes any sense. Listeners who do not, because they don't remember what, why this came up in the first floor.

Yeah, people going back, like listening. Like I will find a new podcast and start with the most recent one and just go backwards. Well, boy, the people who do that on this, like the Marvel Universe, it's full of slight nods

to things from way back in the mythology. Yeah. Oh, there's a Tough to Be a Bug reference. The 3D glasses are like in a pile somewhere. Is there like a tough to be a bug reference the three there's the 3d glasses are like in a pile somewhere is there like a claw game there's a bunch of those like capsules that you find in like vending machines or claw game kind of thing there's a pair of the bug 3d glasses sitting in

that mixed okay yeah i like that yeah yeah it's not it's not we get what it is i don't want i don't want to be so negative i think like i didn't feel good saying yeah oh that's you know what i'm trying to think of any argument uh on its behalf i think the all ages aspect is good i think you'd be very little yeah you can be little yeah yeah yeah which and most thing most like expensive new especially superhero ip that are there is a high requirement and uh yeah it's cool that this is forever i bet this this might be this might if we had a guest on the show who was five years old they might offer a different they also uh would say i liked i liked when the spider came out and they would have been gone two hours ago i yeah and so it's not i don't have ownership over the current spider-man or even the mcu i guess and because

also marvel has been pumping out the 90s cartoon is on disney plus and they keep putting out action figures that look like the ones that we bought as kids but they're much nicer and significantly more expensive oh i have them i do have them and i i still have them on the card too and you know me i'm an out-of-box guy but i have not opened any of them i know it's getting harder and harder as the cards get nicer yeah especially the oversized card i have the kingpin oh yeah such a big card the only spider man i feel ownership over is when any of the Muppet babies are Spider-Man. Just Google. I was like, I'm not remembering this right.

If you Google image Spider-Man Muppet babies, you can see Skeeter and Scooter and Animal. Where Spider-Man's swinging around and takes his mask off and it's Animal. I think the first I ever saw Spider-Man was probably within Muppet Babies and thought that it was like an only in Muppet Babies thing. Oh, my God. Star Wars. I feel the same way about Star Wars. Star Wars Muppet Babies is a great- Oh, Star Wars too.

Yeah, yeah. I think Kermit is Indiana Jones at some point. I remember- Thank you, all of them. When I was in college, I was a PA at a comedy festival where the Henson people did that puppet up, the puppet improv. Yeah. And I was helping them load their crates the last day.

And I talked to Brian Henson, not realizing it was him. He was like, oh, yeah, I work on lots of stuff and lots of DVD releases. I was like, do you think we'll get Muppet Babies on? Like 21-year-old me is asking. Then immediately I realized who I'm talking to. I'm like, do you think we'll get Muppet Babies on DVD? I would love that. Well, that's good.

You had the ear of power. And the answer seems to be no. I don't believe we ever got like a definitive or even a streaming. What did he say? He's like, oh yeah, there's a lot to figure out. You know, we certainly heard that,

you know? Yeah. So, but yeah, original Muppet babies. That was appointment television for me at a very young age. That's how I learned when things would be on the same time on TV. Like I was like,

it's got to be up by 10 AM. It got to be in front of the TV. Muppet babies is coming on. If you, all that's another Google image, wars muppet babies and there is a uh leia miss piggy hugging uh baby kermit oh yeah the cutest thing i've ever seen you there's no cute argument here this very loving piggy leia this is pure love right here that's nice yeah you can't be mad at that um you know what i would want to ask the listeners is did did anyone whether you are adult or child

uh did you go have you bought the attachments have you bought the web tech add-ons or have you bought the remote control spider bots because i think they thought those would be a big hit and they kind of got rolled out when they were doing that warehouse store pandemic it was confusingly pandemic and dark time for the company you could tell they just had everything like in crates like they had crates ready to go with all this stuff and so i think it was a little anti-climactic some of that stuff the the web tech add-ons were announced like a month before the ride yeah and we talked about this on avengers campus where i like people were like oh disney with an upcharge and you're like have you ever been to disney before like harry potter wands like what are you talking about here are they helpful like are they are

they fun like they seem like they'd be very fun take-home toys for i said at the time if i was a kid that would have been really cool and i think i even used cyclops's visor as an example of like if it was like they had all your heroes stuff and as a kid you could get it and then take it home that would have been awesome i would thought that was so cool and the idea that it would change the ride it is that is a cool idea yeah they have some little diecast uh web vehicles or spider bot one now too isn't there like a doctor strange uh thing you can buy oh maybe i think i think it's like new so yeah i guess yeah i think that you i think that it's a cool fun thing and if as just a toy it like fires

a little string and that's neat but i think it does not guarantee you to do better right in the game that's what i've i seem to have caught but uh yeah i don't quote me on that ever because i i'm not the person who's gonna buy yeah this wrist we're not still very funny that they had so little room the massive store is in another land like that's still pretty funny to me really yeah um cramming it in well they got something in there avengers campus has a ride i don't know when it will get its next ride but at least we can say this it is a ride that you it is a ride go on and have opinions about yes as as we did your kids who are really good with phones and tablets and computers are going to love it.

That's, I think, the issue. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Get your four to nine-year-olds there. Your 36-year-old family members and friends will be confused. We're tired. My wrist hurts. Our bodies are falling apart.

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