Podcast: The Ride - When Main Street Was Weird

Episode Date: July 15, 2022

We take a look at the early days of Main Street and the odd crop of businesses that filled it! A bank! A fake pharmacy! Intimate apparel! WATCH THIS EPISODE: https://youtu.be/c4Aar9_fIUg FOLLOW PODCAST: THE RIDE: https://twitter.com/PodcastTheRide https://www.instagram.com/podcasttheride BUY PODCAST: THE RIDE MERCH: https://www.teepublic.com/stores/podcast-the-ride PODCAST THE RIDE IS A FOREVER DOG PODCAST https://foreverdogpodcasts.com/podcasts/podcast-the-ride Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

FOREVER! DOG! as we talk weird old bullshit that used to be on Main Street on Podcast the Ride, a podcast about theme parks, but also shockingly often weird old meets. I'm Scott Gairdner, joined by Jason Sheridan. Hello. Meats, M-E-A-T-S? Yeah, not meetups, no. I wouldn't say that today is largely about weird old meets, but we are talking about weird old stuff on Main Street, and that includes restaurants, and restaurants in the 50s at Disneyland had to include weird old meets.

Oh, yeah. It just didn't, you know, doesn't count as a restaurant unless there's something you would never put in your mouth today. Yeah, absolutely. And joining us, the video watchers. This is a video one, by the way, and you can find that on the Forever Dog YouTube. But the video watchers can already see an empty chair. The listeners, you'll figure this out with us.

Mike Carlson, hello? i did feel about like 150 pounds lighter or so he's private he's more than that i don't know i'm not to give him just by sheer height by sheer height yeah yeah by sheer amount of him i didn't want to go too much more than that and be like you know he's well he's not here so you don't want to start saying yeah that 230 i don't don't believe so uh um no mike this is uh so he's late this just does not happen usually and i think normally we might just wait on it but we're here at the glamorous forever dog studios we want to get moving use the slot that we have. He texts us that he's late and just start without him.

So this all is being done with his permission. You know, this feels, this is interesting, first of all. I think this has, and we've done one just you and I, but not one where we will start just you and I, and then there will be this burst of absolute panic. Just sheer. I love it. The most.

And we all get it together. The listeners get it. The watchers get it on the Forever Doug YouTube channel. The bundle of stress that we're like Santa Claus is coming. I love it. Stress a clause. Stress to clause. I absolutely love a little bit of chaos, a little bit of uncertainty.

And, you know, maybe it's just the hunger. Maybe it's just the hunger of not having done improv in three years. It's just like a little bit of the unknown. Yeah, well, sure, sure. You know, we've done our little, we've done our live shows, but we aren't like, you know, we haven't done a ton. You had this weekly slot that you have not been back to. But the people who are up live all the time, the Chris Rocks and the Dave Chappelle's of the world, they've had the wild cards of people trying to kill them. Well, you know, you haven't had that level of something unaccountable from the audience. No, I have not.

I mean, I guess my equivalent would be like a hungry coyote trying to steal like the ham sandwich I packed in a Ziploc bag in my bag. Like, hey, get out of here, pal. Has that happened? No, it hasn't. No, I'm saying that would be my equivalent. No, I'm not saying anything too incendiary that someone would be coming after me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just general interest in things that people might have. Yes. Your weird meats. Yeah, my weird meats. An. Yes. Your weird meats. Yeah, my weird meats. An animal might want your weird meats. Yeah. But so we'll just see. We'll see when the bomb goes off.

I don't know if it will be in 10 minutes. I don't know if it will be later than that because does he remember that today is at the Glamorous Forever Dog Studios? Well, yeah. You know, I did something similar a few weeks ago where i should i i was a half hour off and so i was driving over when he texted and was like where are you and i'm like in the car what do you mean and i was like oh no it's one not 130 isn't it and so i started using uh an old shared calendar.

I have a podcast, like Google Calendar, that I think I mostly use. You should get the listeners on that, too, so you know what's coming up. You know where we are and that we are producing the episodes. There's more going on with Club 3. So if you want to keep track of our iCal, make sure we're hitting these dates. So I'll remind him that that is, he can punch that into his calendar. Yes, I use the calendar.

Yeah, I'm on the calendar. You send me those invites. And well, the issue that you have with Mike though is that you get him on those alerts and then you get lost in an avalanche of a hundred alerts of like, there's a new kind of Batman sticker. Yeah. Release it as there's no you can get a deal of two fries for one at a restaurant that he doesn't like.

Right. That's right. I forgot about all his notifications because I said I turned all of mine off except reminders and text messages and phone calls and that so when i if i get a weird notification it's like oh fuck i downloaded a new app gotta turn that off fuck that up you know but he's like just the the the more no more that he can he's just he's he's like through the looking like every day is like the end of 2001 yeah he's still somehow getting circuit city notifications it says yeah zombie accounts closed yeah stores that are yeah fries electronics he's getting alerts about the deals he's getting the hbo go like this app is no longer supported please

download hbo max to continue watching hbo programming well it might come back i mean the effort it would take to uh to shut off the alert like in that time you might as well just leave it on yeah yeah um well we'll see we'll see when it happens we'll uh and and boy it's it this is a good one for video because the empty chair, I'm just looking up at our monitor. The empty chair is a very funny visual. I'd also think it's very funny if he comes in totally prepared for a different episode. That's possible too. Yeah.

Yeah. If he's like, oh, God. So what does everyone think of the King Arthur carousel? That's fine. We can pivot. We can half and half it. You know know we'll just we'll just we'll leave like an index for the listener or uh okay so if you want king arthur's carousel remember half of it is in the weird old main street episode oh yeah that was a thing for a little while i

don't think it lasts smart podcasts with like chapters and i think like the image would change as you went through. I don't think this caught on. It sounds exceedingly complicated. Absolutely. More effort than we want to put in. But we do like complication. So if we can create a scenario where there's going to be a lot of different arrows drawn to different podcasts. Yeah.

I mean we've done that we have a we have a podcast series that picked up uh two years later with one with a secret title i feel like a lot of people still haven't figured out i know the secret title if you go if you go to our patreon and listen to the episode universal cruise line yeah a little easter egg happening in there. Yeah, yeah. Which was, I mean, that was still fall 2020. We were all insane. And so I think we were, oh, a little bit, we loved doing little surprises. And listeners seemed to like it. I don't think a lot of other shows do surprises.

That's well because they don't care. They don't give a shit about you. Yeah. But we do. The two of us do. The two of us do the two of us the two of us who cared enough to be here on time for you and pointing in this video iteration again at the forever dog youtube channel because people seem to get confused where that is all right so yeah there's all right there's

confusion with that too uh what goes where what episodes are where yeah um but let's let's kick it off proper and we'll allow Mike to give any introductory thoughts. Yeah, we'll give him the log line and, yeah. Remind him what it is. But today's episode, I mean, look, we haven't, I don't think we've landed on the name exactly, but in my head, at least what it is thematically is weird old Main Street bullshit. That's kind of what we're addressing today, which is to say attractions,

and I say that with like the floppiest, limpest quotation marks I could possibly do, things that visitors could experience in the first five years or so in Disneyland's beginning area of Main Street USA. Yes. Yeah, a lot more exhibits, a lot more sponsored tie-ins,

and not just like this restaurant is sponsored by Kraft Foods. Sure. Like an exhibitor sponsoring and maybe showing you the history of something, showing you their products over the years. And solely to cover some of the costs. Because that was what an interesting fact I found out is a lot of these leases.

It was like a five year lease. And Walt wanted the first year and the last year up front. So he could have a little operating money. So the other ones you can pay like regular retailer rent oh interesting well and and it was like early disneyland was such a weird risk and calamity that that's that's sort of a big ask if walt is saying hey i need you through 1960 and give me some of that cash, they might be thinking, what if there is no Disneyland in 1960? I think that was a very real possibility. Extremely, especially given some of the things that we will be talking about.

Because if this is what, like, I think we've had some of these stray, like, oh, I heard they had this in the early days and this and that. And when you look into it, you really start to go, how did Disneyland make it? Disneyland was sort of like, this is what they had. All the hype, they hype it on television for a year. And then it has, well, you know, we'll get into it. But it's, you know, a lot of it is extremely mundane, I would say. Yeah, and some of it makes sense.

You know, like i'll throw out a kind of a generic one the book and candle shop okay sure like candles kind of a go-to when you travel to tourist destination that's like oh it's a nice thing to remind me of the trip i can bring it home for myself i can bring it home for a gift um makes sense especially the idea of main street being you know i was telling you before we started recording, there's so many articles just say it's based on Marceline, Missouri. And kind of the answer is kind of it's more based on like John Hench and a lot of other Imagineers talked about, like it's based on the idea of a perfect Main Street, like in the past,

like there's a little bit of nostalgia here and memory is kind of a difficult thing, you know? Because you're saying that if it were more literally based on where Walt Disney grew up, you said it's not a particularly glamorous place. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of places back then, the Main Streets, while they were like everything you needed in town so everyone

could walk there or take a horse and buggy or early cars um it was filled with mud and everything was painted like one or two colors and there were newly installed power lines everywhere like it's a kind of gross it doesn't look like the world's Fair, you know? You had to go elsewhere in Disneyland if you wanted a bunch of mud. There definitely was mud. There was mud. They did get that. But the idealized perfect Main Street, they were trying to keep spick and span. Sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're doing this, by the way, I think this episode will be landing kind of right around the anniversary, you know, that mid-July point, which is Disneyland's birthday. I think the 67th anniversary, I believe. I think that's right. If my math is not. Yeah, yeah. Happy 67th. You doing anything for the 67th?

I don't know. I think I blacked out for a little while. Yeah, we're celebrating by not going, even though we gave them a bunch of money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Blacked out on the past, not like blacked out on like Walt Scott Schmist or whatever. I don't know. That's an idea, though. We'll see how I feel when July 17th rolls around. Oh, that's something to do on July 15th. That's an episode. Eat, drink, and smoke like Walt for a day. Yeah, yes. Well, you know what I discovered over the course of this bit of research is there is a book called Eat Like Walt.

There's a handy guide to how to do exactly this that we've been talking about. I have seen that book. And is it an official Disney book? I don't believe so. Oh, okay. Because every now and then there's some very specific books and it's like, oh, wow, Hyperion Publishing. Yeah, I'm not sure. Here's what I can say is that I went to the website elikewalt.com and the mouse ears that I saw on it seemed not standard issue. It's a circle and the two circles circles but they seemed like maybe calculatedly

like legally in the clear we make them a little smaller a little asymmetrical then maybe disney can't come after you um but anyway that's what i think like you know it's it's opening day week we did this episode two years ago that i enjoyed so much about disneyland's opening day which seemed like such bedlam and such just odd wild west where i was there was the wet cement and there wasn't working water and there were monkeys with organ grinders and then the host of the broadcast cheating on his wife live on the air while hopped up on meth, essentially. I've just been so, that just made me go like, wow, Disney really was, even the clips

that they choose to show you of that opening day special still kind of give you the, man, it's Art Linkletter and it's Ronald Reagan and that's Americana right there. But I think if you get past kind of the wall that they've set up and see what that park really was for the first year or so, it was weird and sloppy and it is kind of amazing it made it and it's such a like tentpole of culture now. Yeah. You know, when I we first I started reading stuff about this and everything and and I I was like oh am i just you know looking at it through like 2020 eyes like is it was it stuff people actually liked at the time and to an extent maybe but then

also you see the like stores that aren't stores you see they're like i just need a little operating money like i i'm just trying to get anyone who will take it yeah you know in here and then you start to dig down the specifics of like no that can't be I can't be right now that oh my god it is right yeah yeah I mean some of them are just boring like I honestly and I don't mean to like say this won't be a good fun episode but true like the things that i don't have a bunch of stuff prepared about there were things that were so boring that i i did take like a hard nap yesterday because i was looking at a big article about the disneyland baby shoes store like there's gotta be something interesting in here somewhere and then

oh my god i went out just like a brick oh is that grandma's baby shop you know confusingly not it's not grandma's i did come across grandma's baby shop but separately there was something called bluebird baby shoes so grandma's baby shop is not bluebird baby shoes because i i didn't see much on it but as soon as i saw in reference to another place we'll talk about said it's right past grandma's baby shop and i was like grandma's baby shop let's fucking go yeah i was upset there wasn't more information about grandma's baby shop yes i you know uh i think yesterland one one of them yesterland very uh a very good website about like stuff at the disney parks that's not there anymore pretty thorough uh quoted um someone uh an art another

website or another article was like there is not a lot of documentation on the book and candle shop and it is so weird to see these places that are pretty thorough say that but then when they say right after grandma's baby shop it's like is that the funniest phrase on yesterland right after grandma's baby shop it's only for like yes i want some things for my baby no get out the door this is for grandma's to buy four babies yes it would be all right if you're a grandma and then you also have your own new baby that's allowed but no mom's buying things for babies no no grandmas only uh so all right to start getting into some of these things and by the way like just the way this has played out,

is this the first episode in months where the phrase Bad Boys of Boston has not been said? So far it hasn't. We've made it 15, 20 minutes. Well, I did it. I did it by-

You did it. Let's not tell him we mentioned that. Oh, yeah, you're right. And let's see if it comes up organically. Let's see if he naturally, if he comes in so guns blazing, knowing like what has been lacking in his absence, he's just going to come in and start shouting Green Day, Green Day, Green Day. He's got to make up for it within a 30 second span. Also, like the idea, like there's not a, I'm not going to dox the man, but there's not a straight shot from his place to where we are on a freeway.

So he's on surface streets. And this, for whatever reason, this type of year, the San Fernando Valley has decided, like, time to get some construction projects done. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I'm checking this still now my this is a very late mic this is an extremely late mic uh but it doesn't matter let's start talking about these old timey stores there's one i'm gonna save for him because he's he wanted to talk about it i'm gonna wait oh i don't know what that one is. I'll sit here. I just won't do it for the time being. But what do we do in the meantime? Let's, okay, so one thing, all right, so here's a general thing to say about Main Street.

You go there now, and it almost feels like just one big run of disney store right like they're like there's separate store fronts but you kind of just walk through all of them and there's subtle like all right here's this one has more shirts and this one has more toys and then there's like ice cream and candy and whatever but it definitely feels like it does not feel like 15 distinct businesses or anything. No, with some except with like a rare exception of like, OK, that's the coffee, the current coffee shop. And it's a Starbucks now. There's a jewelry and watch store that that does connect to the other stores, but it's kind of on its own. Yeah. Yeah. But besides that, yeah, it's just sort of like, you, but it's kind of on its own. Yeah, yeah.

But besides that, yeah, it's just sort of like, you know, it's all places where you buy stuff that is cute and Disney-ish, essentially. Not so much the case when it started, because they knew they wanted this Main Street area, and they knew they wanted to feel like an old-timey town. But then what is in these places i feel like they were starting to build the stores and didn't know what was going to be in them and then once built what you ended up with was a bunch of what was literally a bunch of different businesses that were all often competing with each other for business of the like restaurants specifically this was not a main street thing but there was a name that struck me a couple years ago whenever it came up that there used to be a restaurant in frontierland called don defors silver banjo barbecue yes and

that you had to learn who's don defor just a guy could have and, not a character. This isn't like Sleepy's Pillow Hut or whatever. Yeah. A real-life man, Don DeFore. And because those individual businesses made money separate from Disney, they had to compete against each other. So he was worried he was going to lose people to the chicken plantation or whatever other old timey place there was. So he had to like start putting spotlights on the restaurant. Like the park had to let him point a bunch of spotlights at his own place just to get people to come to his because it was kind of like tucked away and easy to miss. So this is an early thing about Disneyland.

I think it's interesting that all the stores were fighting each other. Yeah, I think another distinct, and I hear keys. Could this be, nope. Nope, false alarm. Get in here. Oh, here he is.

Go. And there you have it. Well, the walk of shame begins. Why does this have to be on video? Why does this embarrass me? You're not on video yet. You can collect yourself. You have not shown up on camera.

Watching an empty chair. There's a stain on my shirt. It is such a shit show. My life right now, everything's fine, but it's such a shit show. If it makes you feel any better. Oh, I look awful. You look great.

I'm so sorry to the listener. Sorry to the listener who's just listening, but there's video component and I look like crap. Go to the video to see how crappy Mike looks. Look at the stain. What is it? It's wet. Mike, if it makes you feel any better,

I have a small stain on my shirt because this is a real vintage. I'll tell the story about this shirt. This is a real vintage Epcot shirt. I bought it March 10th, 2020. We had just recorded the Islands of Adventure preview episode. Oh, I went to a crowded

Trader Joe's. And guess what the week was? It may have been March in a certain year. And I went to a very crowded Trader Joe's to buy canned goods like a blizzard was coming. And sure enough. So you got a giant bean stain on your,

what's the stain? I bought a $2 vintage Epcot shirt at a Salvation Army or some sort of thrift. There's going to be a time when you're in like a kind of like a retirement home and you're going to start, you're going to start start conflating that March week in 2020 with 9-11.

You remember March 9-11? 2020? I bought a can and a shirt. Much more annoying Irishman hours. But hey, let's not dunk on me. Let's dunk on Mike a little more. This is an opportunity.

It's time to dunk on me and i deserve it i deserve it for the way i look on camera first of all but also for my tardiness hey look in the interest of solidarity there i just dumped water on myself now i am also stained like all of you it's a clear stain but you can kind of like i am sop i am sopping wet. If you feel more... Sparkling water. Noted for removing stains. No, Scott's making it better. He's making his stains better. Preventing future stains is what it's doing.

Well, I have nothing stain-making on my person. You okay? How you doing? I'm all right. I'm a little stressed out. A little stressed out right now. We had the discussion of do you – we were like, well, I hope he knows it's here too. Oh, I didn't know.

Well, yes, you're right. You're correct that I assumed the opposite. So that was correct. But I did have a half second to double check that before I left. And when all shit, it's farther. When it's farther than where we oftentimes you were slightly delayed because the i message search feature is still this many years and just absolute dog shit yeah i did look because because yeah that's i don't want to get into to the weeds of how uh this organization runs but We did a little. You'll have to listen and find out. I will have to listen.

So, yeah, yeah. I did do a quick search. I definitely wrote it down wrong. And then there's other, you know, look, there's secret reasons that I can't reveal yet what's going on in my life. It's like Doughboys. It's like, Mitch, you're also in the

Twisted Metal show and you can't i am also i am also there's a new character they're adding you are so secret they can't they can't talk about it uh no it is nothing a career well i guess acting wise no it's not nothing nothing like that i forget we were recording right yeah we walked into a half an hour this and we decided to live stream this. Everyone's watching it live, too. Did you do any of the episode or did you just roast me? We were just kind of getting into the, you know, generic stuff about early Main Street and how they had to, like, fill it would get lost in an avalanche of alerts for restaurants you don't like and stores that have closed for good.

Yes, that's true. And like $2 off like a new Marvel Legend alert. If there was a toy that was a slightly discounted toy, I would be like getting alerts and it would cover up what I was supposed to be doing. Yes, that's true. So anyway, I am here. I mean, feel free to destroy me if you'd like.

I do deserve it. I'll take my lashing. You already have the stain. You bear the scarlet letter that is the stain. Any idea what the stain's from? I think it's just probably water. I think it might be gone already. Not mine.

I poured a bunch on this, which is not visible as far as I can tell. If you both want to throw water on me during the show, I'll take that. But there's equipment. I guess the equipment might be hurt by it. I don't want to mess up their equipment, and I would only do it to help people. I would only do it if there was an ice bucket challenge. Yeah, if there was some sort of charity events, then yes. Okay.

Would it be a viable episode to go back and do to just cover a bunch of people's ice bucket challenges? Because it was a great thing that, like, hit everybody. Everyone did. Lots of weirdos did, from Mike Love to George W. Bush. Yes. Everyone got to put their stamp on the Ice Bucket Challenge. Every once in a while, I'll go back and like, you know what I'm watching tonight? Ice Bucket Challenge.

Is that true? Yeah, a little bit. Because I like the George W. Bush one because Laura Bush has to act one of the worst actors ever on the earth. Oh, sure. Yeah. Bush has to act one of the worst actors ever on the earth. She's supposed to do it and then she comes in with that smile of nervousness when you've never been on camera before. I didn't want to do it.

I didn't want to mess up my hair. I think that's viable. Mike Love does it in a concert and at such a gunpoint and not understanding what it is. And then it is so sad when he challenges Mick Jagger to do it because, like, dude, Mick Jagger's not watching one of your YouTube videos. And he didn't do it? No, he – no. If Mick Jagger ever did an ice bucket challenge, I don't think it was because of Mike Love's challenge being issued.

I see. Well, I felt like the celebrities were like doing that in sort of conflict. There was some sort of plan, but maybe that's wrong. Maybe they just picked somebody they liked. I'm not sure. I think some of that's an interesting study you could do if you were analyzing ice bucket challenges is unanswered ice bucket challenges. Oh, that's a good idea. And ice bucket challenges outside of your league.

Like reaching for somebody. Somebody too high up. I know you're sort of famous, but Obama's not going to do it because you said to do it. Jamie Kennedy. I don't know who. So if we had said,

Pod Save America guys, we challenge you. They're out of our league. So they would not have answered us and it would have been embarrassing. Obviously, yeah. I mean, we'll get to their league someday. We're trying, but you know, the more we're late, and the more

we're, that's why, you know, for only that reason, to just catch up to Pod Save. Sure. Yeah, we just need to vote a little harder. And then maybe they'll dump a little ice. Yeah. They'll finally answer our ice bucket challenge seven years later oh um here's what you know but you know what this isn't about roasting and it's not about being mean because we even we haven't really gotten to a

specific location yet in a weird old main street bullshit and we saved the one that you wanted to talk about which is the bank we saved the bank for you we to talk about, which is the bank. We saved the bank for you. If we really were vindictive, we wouldn't have let you talk about the bank. But after all that, after half an hour, all right, we're there, everybody. The bank is what we're. I'm crying on the way over here like, I want to talk about the bank. I didn't get to the bank yet. I want to talk about there was a bank on this.

An actual bank. A functioning. Yeah, was a bank on this. An actual bank. A functioning bank. Yeah, it's a functioning bank. Just a bank. And the first thing when you came in, like if you go into Disneyland now and off to the right is the Disney gallery or maybe like a corridor of bathrooms

that are the first you use when you come in. But like the, so Disneyland's here. You're in, it's Disneyland, the realm's here, you're in it's Disneyland, the realm of magic. Here's a bank. Yes. It's like now. Yeah.

I like, I'm trying to think of what's better. I think it is better that you can buy like a Mickey statue where he's like tugging on a firefighters outfit or something there now, instead of it being a bank. But if I'm like, if I'm thinking about Disney as a real real place i do really like the idea that there's just a bunch of like stupid daily tasks you could take care of on main street so there's something fun about it you would have like because like you would have liked to you

might have like saved banking to do a hundred percent i would have saved banking for main street don't you think you would have done it we would have done a little bit like these two like we're the first guys to ever think of this like 10 years ago i've been like you want to go down and make a deposit and be like yeah jason and i would have like two envelopes yeah full of cash that we were going to deposit at disneyland and be like this is how we do all of our banking like we would have absolutely done that if it was still there when we first started going to Disneyland. Because, again, I do want to emphasize an actual bank because some of the places were simulations of business

that weren't actually their businesses. Or like, I bet there's people in Florida. Because Florida still is a barber shop. Really? Yes, right, right. A functioning barber shop. You can get your haircut on Main Street? You can get your haircut on Main Street. I have heard some people like, oh, it's time for baby's first haircut. We're getting haircut on main street you can get your haircut on main street i have heard some people like oh

it's time for baby's first haircut we're getting it done on main street of the magic kingdom oh because they're like happy to be at disney world yeah it's like a first thing it's a first time yeah yeah and i'm sure there's orlando locals who it's like time for a haircut i'm gonna make a reservation and make a park reservation to get a haircut on Main Street. Would you not do that? I would. I would also. I would probably do that if I was close by.

Not every time. If there was a Disneyland haircut, I would have tried it probably by now at least once. I wouldn't have. And I'll tell you why. Because it would suck and cost $250. Well, it would suck because it's $250, but don't you think they'd have some sort of whimsical 80-year-old man who's like cutting and he's going to give you the hot shave

and it's like, why don't you do it once? Like you do it in like- Oh, one time. You're in the window on Main Street and you're kind of a display. You're kind of an attraction. Oh, they make you a little show. Yeah, yeah.

I suppose so. Maybe once you would do it. Yeah. I would consider doing it next time I was in the Magic Kingdom. Mm-hmm. Well, yeah. Well, I suppose so. Maybe once you would do it? Yeah, I would consider doing it next time I was in the Magic Kingdom. Well, yeah, well, you got it now. Well, now we have to do it. Now all three of us have to do it. Ideally, at the same time in chairs next to each other.

Oh, can they do that? I don't know. Is it like a sport clips? Is it like multiple chairs? I was picturing the old, like, a couple, well, like one or two. I feel like there's two chairs probably. Okay. Can they do colors?

I'll dye my hair on Main Street. I've never dyed my hair before, but I will dye my hair on Main Street. In an old-timey barber shop, you're going to go bright blue. I want to get as much as you can get there. Hmm. I don't know if he has blue. Well, I don't know. That feels like that would take a long time

to color because if you're going different colors I think you have to bleach and then I like it would have to dye it yellow and then go blue and you're on vacation also so now you're using hours for this haircut but it's content for us that's true do they have the menu

what you can do you gotta get your eyebrows removed all of your arm hair i want to see if there's like a menu how much hair will they touch yeah um now i'm wondering like is have they relegated this to the app too is this now like in theory simpler but more of a pain in the ass because you can't specify you can't talk to a human over the phone yeah it's a good question chai okay services available child haircut my first haircut adult haircut beard trim so they're not going to color your hair there i don't think so they're probably not going to

shave you either yeah uh well well the beard trim well trim yeah maybe you're not getting the like the warm razor out. No. But I'll get an adult haircut. Starting at $21. Cheaper than Floyd's. Cheaper than local chain Floyd's. Not so bad.

I guess I may have to do it. Well, let's see how those hidden fees stack up. Aren't you suspicious of this? At current Disney World, a service that in the real world is usually much more expensive. Hmm. It's $21. Yeah, $21 gets you the high and tight or gets it shaved all the way off. Sorry, that's the price.

$21 is the cost for a haircut. We cut one hair. Do you want us to cut the others? That's just going through the door fee is $21. one hair. Do you want us to cut the others? That's just the going through the door fee is $21. One hair. I cut one hair. That's a dollar. Another hair.

Yet another dollar. And like Mickey's just got a calculator next to him. And it's like $1, $2. You have a thousand hairs. Shapeback approves of this, not just because of all the hidden fees, but because he's like hey hair make haircuts as expensive as you want not a problem for me that is gonna that will

that is definitely on his to-do list he's got like a big board it's like he says like evil board or something and it's like make haircuts cost at least 500 what is left to make more expensive? Alright, charge per brick that you step on. That's the new Disneyland magic ankle bands. We track, it's a fun thing where we track every step that you take in the park and it helps with

fitness and you get a little sticker at the end and Goofy says, good job. And yes, then we charge you for all the wear and tear that you put on bricks and cement in our park. We're helping your heart. So pay us. Pay us for your heart help. But yeah, so bank.

They had a bank. They had a bank. And I like, yes, I like more mundane stuff. I like, I would like more of it is what I'm saying. I would like more things like that available. I know they did have it. Obviously, we're talking about that. Well, you say it's mundane, but here's a description I read

of what you could do there. There's a vault. You pass by the vault that is holding money and documents, and then the branch manager, Leo Wagman, sits in a nearby armchair behind a roll-top desk nodding and smiling at the visitors.

So you come back from Disneyland. How was Walt Disney's Disneyland? It was great. I saw Leo Wagman. Who's that? Is that a character from a movie? No, he's a guy at a bank. You know, like a fun movie about a bank? Or like the Mary Poppins

bank? Mary Poppins bank guy? No, bank guy. Leo. He's a real branch manager for bank of america this guy is a famous disneyland character though now i mean we're getting him out here now yeah we're getting the word out about leo wagman leo wag some of my information today came from a really strange book that i think is called like 55ers or class of 55 something my parents gave me for christmas one year that is a book that tracks every single human being who worked at disneyland in the first year wow wow

and like then you read the like they they tracked them all down and there's at least a little information like this he's from fullerton but then he died in la palma so like it's not like the stories are not magical. They aren't interesting. It's just like, here's people. Do they claim to have everyone? Yeah. And there's, I mean, there's hundreds of little.

Sure. Is Leo in there? Yeah. Yeah. There's an entire, like, I don't have it with me. There's a whole separate, besides what I just read, there's a separate Leo Wagman section. Okay.

Where you find out where he was born and I assume died. Wow. Has anybody here ever known the name of a bank employee that they would go to a lot? No. Like they might have like thought I did if I went more than once, but I didn't remember their name. Did everyone go to the bank as like children to open up your first savings account? And like it was a big deal because you sat at the desk with your parent? I did not have that.

You never did that, Jason? I think, yeah, I did something like that. I mean, we had the like, the bank was next to the post office and they were both across the street from the high school. Right. And you got like a little book because it was 100 years ago when we were children. Yeah, yeah. little book because it was 100 years ago when we were children yeah yeah i got you know what i'm realizing now is that i i'm potentially introducing a new second gig character because i believe i got a mascot character for our bank the harris lion oh i believe i had a plush let me look him up

got any info on harris lion um the harris lion cute uh hair let's see he for sure is cute there's no doubt about it um but that's like more of a Midwest. I think it got bought. Yeah, it got bought by BMO. BMO Harris. But they kept Harris? I guess so. BMO.

Harris Bank. Here he is with a Bulls jersey. I mean, he's not the cutest, I'll be honest. No, not really. I like him. he's not not cute yeah oh yeah there's this bank i may have had this bank as well a bank you mean a literal bank yeah lion bank that does look familiar so this is a new guy here oh that's fun i'll do this hold up to the there you go mike is now here to show you banks, a little bank that he had.

And hopefully, my biggest fear during that was that something that's happening right now, I wasn't going to get a bunch of panic text messages and show those to the camera. But luckily, those came before and will come after. That's another thing. No, you owe full transparency to the listener. I guess that's the bank. So know you have full transparency to the listener um i guess that's that's the bank so there was you got to do it the vault is still there did you say that or no no the vault is still there and it's still being used to house very expensive things you can buy from the disney gallery oh yeah there is that little like nook and it's big it's a big thick bank vault door which i got I never questioned what it was.

I thought it was just theming. And I was like, oh, that's fun. They made a vault for the special things. But I've walked by there before, and they had a full, like, it wasn't on an animatronic, but it was like a recreation of the guy in the Haunted Mansion with the dog. Sometimes it's just like some sort of statue. Sometimes it's like a one-of-a-kind artifact and sometimes it looks like it's just a picture in there and you're like well that's not

as this feels like it should be some crazy expensive thing yeah but sometimes people's actual financial information which is what used to be in there yeah sometimes it should just be like ledgers bank ledgers and like withdrawals and deposits and uh yeah i mean that's got to be in there somewhere right maybe it doesn't like in the wall somewhere in like a but there weren't safe deposit boxes there no that would have been amazing you couldn't do your escrow services you couldn't divide that right the surfing bank robbers from point Break did not try to heist the Disney World Bank. But what a great novel for your new novel series. Bodhi is back.

He did not totally eat shit at the end of the movie and die in the big wave. Jason Sheridan presents the Main Street Files. It's a Disneyland meets Point Break. Yeah, it's a disneyland meets point break yeah it's disneyland break they're they're they're uh 70 page paperback novels that jason writes yeah they're like those series of the guy with the adventures at main street yeah the main street files you could write one of those for our patreon jason's gonna say he's gonna write a 70 page novel for the highest tier when did i say that it's now in my imagination oh okay yeah on the car ride over did you have a conversation

with me do i just appear when you're running late like you are like my great kazoo you show up all the time in my life it's not 11 dumb dumb it's not the right time, dum-dum. Also, I'm going to write a novel. There was a weird video of Jordan Peterson going around where he's in the scare. He's in like a Jack Skellington suit and he's doing this odd screed about. Oh, Elliot Page? Yeah, yeah. But the only part I saw is this weird like, we'll see who gets canceled. Yes, that's it. I was like, this is like great kazoo a

little bit he's like a big tall great kazoo he's yeah so long woke mob i forget what he's woke moralist you dumb moralist you dumb yes it's it's lit because he's joining ben shapiro's daily wire now oh yeah as a contributor the same family as gina carano's movie that's right uh fire on the terror on the prairie which is somebody pointed out sounds like that 30 a 30 rock fake movie uh yeah he's so he's so there's they've they've shot a video i don't know i was like do we have to explain this guy like in the middle of main street but jordan peterson is like an annoying guy who's like always crying mad at trans people and always crying like trying to get kicked off Twitter

and yeah he said something derogatory about Elliot Page and then Twitter kicked him off and now they they made a little supervillain video of him for Daily Wire he came back who cancels who yeah we'll see he says like we'll see how yeah like it's a weird

did somebody write it? Did the writer of Terror on the Prairie write this little monologue? He came back after attempting his daughter tried to get him to eat an all-meat diet. And then he was addicted to benzos. And then I think she took him to, like, a weird, like, stay in rehab in russia or somewhere in far eastern europe and uh somehow came back somehow he's doing the rounds again and it was like the most fragile person yes every time uh why are we talking about this guy we can stop at any minute we didn't have to keep talking i'm. This guy is insane.

He's a crazy, like, he was mad. Clock's ticking. When it, all right. It's 11.33 right now. Thank you, thank you. No more. 11.34, we're done. He was mad about, like, the Sports Illustrated cover.

Mm-hmm. Yes. Because the woman didn't look like a woman from the 90s on the cover. And he was like, you're not fooling me with this. I won't be tricked. This woman is not the same weight as the woman in the 90s and people were like uh what's wrong with you well and what's important is that anytime this guy farts anything out of his mouth hole that we twitter needs to

make it be trending well that there is no other choice we're trending it now but it is it is like dude what's wrong with you? This gaunt crying man who clearly has consumption has some thoughts on light year. That's it. Jason summed it up. All right. Door slammed. Vault door slammed.

We're shoving Jordan in there. Oh, man. You brought up heists. There was a heist on Main Street. I'm going to dive into that story. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you ran into this. At the restaurant, the Red Wagon Inn.

This is now the Plaza Inn, I believe, down at the end of Main Street. And there was a heist there of some kind in 1960. It's a really weird story where a guy at the restaurant was taking, he was like moving money from one place to like from the back of the restaurant to like technically the backstage. And then a guy came out, he felt something against his side. And uh, oh, and he had to give the guy the full $10,000 that he had which seems like that's a lot of money for a Disneyland restaurant to be moving

and that was so like this became a matter for the Anaheim police and they're like somebody had a gun in Disneyland and this all this seems weird and it's a lot of money so they talked to the the employee again two days later he failed a lie detector

test confessed and uh showed the police where in they did the women's locker room he hid most of ten thousand dollars and returned it why would yeah why would he hide it there i'm not because they'd never why would a man be in the woman's room it's the perfect crime yeah yeah geez he just lied jordan peterson's america i didn't say it i didn't say it doesn't mean we have to keep talking let's go all right quick uh but yeah it's like i would think if you would steal a bunch of money you'd try to not keep it within 50 feet of like trying to get it out of there yeah really strange i guess story and the idea that like i look i don't know i don't think i don't think we had metal detectors at that point but i also don't think people were bringing guns to to disneyland

yeah right i think it just seems like this was maybe a plan that wasn't well thought out yeah yeah this was a very quick this is a will, the William H. Macy of his day. Oh yeah. Yeah. Usually I told you the story. What do you want? If you're going to heist like $10,000 like that, which is probably worth like 10 times as much in 2022 dollars.

But usually you don't just have one doofus who lies and, uh, it's very bad at lying. Like his plan was like himself on like, I'll be good. I can handle this. Me, a like assistant manager at a theme park restaurant. I can hold up to the police for more than two days. Oh, God, I'm sorry.

Here, dang it. Come to the women's room with me. That's like the three of us, probably if we were little and we took like an extra piece of candy, we would have like within an hour have been like crying and be like, well, you have to confess something, mommy. I ate an extra piece of candy after dinner. 100%. I lied about something.

Three big bucklers. At the time, three little bucklers. That's what we'll call ourselves from now on because we're not three childless men in our 30s anymore. Three little bucklers? That could replace Clifford's too, potentially. We can't put this on the listeners. The listeners are bucklers for sure. If they listen to us,

we're, this is unfair. We've already put on them that they're like the creepy little Martin short character. You, you Clifford's you're also bucklers. They're also, they also would not hold up against police or parent scrutiny over a piece

of candy. Let's ask them. Hey, tweeted us. If you're a little buckler, a nasty little coward with no integrity. I'm glad you're in the main video for asking that question.

Well, I mean, what a boy. If they truly are bucklers, they'll buckle because you asked that. A nasty little coward. Yes, I am, sir. The podcast I listen to yelled at me. I buckled. I think we got a lot of bucklers in the audience. I think we have a lot of people who could easily give us wedgies, too.

Yeah, I know. You come in late, and then you insult. Then you say that our whole audience is going to buckle. Who is this Mike? I don't know. I'm not sorry, though. I'll tell you know. I'm not sorry, though. I'll tell you that. I'm not sorry for what I've said.

You won't get an apology from me. You won't cancel me for calling you bucklers. That's right, bucklers. We'll see who buckles against who. I regret nothing. Here's some other things I have to say about the Red Wagon Inn. This is my intro that you missed. Mainly what we did was laugh at my opening joke for 10 minutes.

But I said that there were a lot of weird meats come up on the show. And it's going to happen here because it's original Disneyland. Kids menu at the Red Wagon Restaurant. A couple odd things going on. This was a Yesterland poll. Why Red Wagon Restaurant serves genuine Swift's meat for babies. For 25 cents a can, choose from strained beef, strained veal, chopped beef, and chopped veal. Swift's is the foremost name in meat for babies.

100% meat. Now, Scott, you got a two-year-old. What is his favorite chopped or strained meat? And do you buy Swift? It's so frustrating that it's not easier to find strained veal. It's been my biggest complaint since becoming a parent. Where's all the, it used to be on every street corner. I took them to Disneyland.

Where's your veal? It can be strained or chopped. We'll let it slide. He prefers chopped, but you can strain it. You know, a fun fact that mike found out in the app you can um order you know a kid's meal of straight strained meats you don't have to have a kid you can just do it in the app and it'll be ready at mobile pickup and can you get it a little cheaper if you say doesn't have to be 100 meat yeah yeah but that's a sense off that. They can't do that in an app, though. You got to ask. Oh, that's an impression.

Yeah, you got to stand in line to get it a la carte or to get a little more filler, a little more sawdust. Veal. I'm here for, I need the baby veal, but it doesn't have to be all veal. Meat for babies is also just really disturbing. I guess babies have meat. Sure. Mine doesn't so much. Not a lot. You don't need guess babies have meat. Sure. Mine doesn't so much. Not a lot.

You don't need a lot of meat. No, I don't think so. You certainly don't need veal for babies. No, that's what's, and veal is babies. It's babies eating babies. This is the world that Walt wanted. This is what he was trying to. I want to look down the street and see nothing but babies eating babies.

There was a whole wonderful world of Disney about babies eating veal. He was presenting that to the American public. The most beautiful American sights there is. Jason, did you eat veal when you were a little baby? No. I don't think so. I don't think as a baby. I've never had veal.

Really? Yeah, I still don't. I don't think so. I don't think it's a baby. I've never had veal. Really? Yeah, I still don't know. Yeah, I wouldn't. I think it, I feel like chicken parmesan and veal parmesan are just kind of standards at like where I grew up. I don't know, a few years ago, veal piccata maybe. Hmm. Never.

No? I don't even know that it's been offered to me. Like, I don't even know that I've seen it on a menu. You must have been in a restaurant with veal. Probably. I think so. It just wasn't.

Nobody offered it out loud. Nobody pushed it on me. Mm-hmm. Hmm. Well, let's... Can we make you buckle? We know that stain is veal. Buckle now.

I was eating a little jar of baby veal, of baby food veal on the way over here because I haven't eaten in days and that was the close lap lap lap lap with your tongue the closest store was a baby food store and i just grabbed stuff off the shelf and i was just shoveling baby baby food veal into my stomach and yeah i got some veal juice on my shirt. The cans are mostly juice.

You got to get them. Yeah, because it can't be big pieces for baby. Yeah. Yeah, baby needs juice in the bottle. Baby needs juice. My baby needs juice. Baby. We're bottle feeding him.

Veal juice. Veal juice, of course. No formula, no breast milk. The formula shortage has not affected us at all. Well, that's because we mainly give him veal juice. Veal juice, of course. No formula, no breast milk. Veal juice. The formula shortage has not affected us at all. Well, that's because we mainly give him veal juice. Veal juice. No, not beetle juice.

No. Beetle juice. Well, you also, then you would, you'd have your, you'd give baby strained veal and then they'd wash it down with buttermilk. It's just, we had this time. What was going on? And then and then and then just past that then there's a full okay there's like there's a page from what not they don't call it the kids menu they call it the menu for young americans and then this there's only five items on it or

types of meals you can order two of them are are problematic. I'm not going to say those out loud. Oh, no. Two of them in various ways are characters who are problematic. Oh, got it, got it. And then one of them is, you know, like one meal is just the Casey Jr. And then that's unrelated. It's a sirloin patty.

But then one is Danny. And it's a little happy black sheep or a black lamb, I guess, from So Dear to My my heart the 40s disney movies so dear to my heart and he looks so eager and happy and like he's gonna go run and play and then his meal is broiled lamb chop it's like clucking chicken it's like a saturday live sketch yes i weird i like have lamb chop yeah but why put this particular like we have one lamb character in the entire lineup and we're gonna have him that's a decades-long trend I think that maybe

around the time of that clucking chicken sketch people were like wait a minute didn't want to think about the face of what they're eating yeah it was like oh yeah we'll have a cute a cute picture of the thing you're eating. And finally, after decades, people were like, well, maybe that's a little weird. Maybe that people don't want to see that. And why have that when one of them is chopped meat and then a side of jello represented by a smiling train? What was the smell back then in these places?

Just like everyone eating the most meat possible just like churning out meat in the kitchen i mean i guess it probably wasn't that insane but well well i have that question in general because there's well there's not only that every it's it's all meat and buttermilk everywhere but then also to transition into the other smell making materials, there's a tobacco store. The tobacco is. You're just buying tobacco. And everyone's farting too. So I think we've talked about how much farting was going on back then.

We must have discussed the degree of fart in the air at early Disneyland. Because everyone's eating heavy meat for every meal smoking like a chimney and that gas has to come out and i don't even think we've we've answered the question of how like people didn't just let it rip in the 1950s or 60s did they or would they say well excuse me after they did it like if they were in line for the train would you like fart or would you have to like squeeze it out like what would it be what was the protocol back then obviously it's not was everyone just wearing so much like wool material that's why that's why you dress that way it was like soundproofing yeah yeah yeah it was like

such a thick material that you just hear like it wasn wasn't like, it wasn't like that far. It would be like it would bounce off. It's as much as like two hands like rubbing against each other. That's what it ends up sounding like. Right. Yeah. You just hear that constantly like. And then.

I'll say just an unsettling little shuffle. And then just the worst smell imaginable. But you were used to it because that's what everyone smelled like. Well, no, but just the smell is muffled by everyone's like nasty like hair products and pomade and like unfiltered Lucky Strikes. So you're saying like a meat fart in the 1950s was a better smell than just what was going on. Like it would be overpowered by everything else. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense, honestly.

There were so many other smells going on. It wasn't even a big deal. And also, like, I mean, a lot of plastics nowadays still stink. Like, early plastic, first few decades of plastics probably smelled atrocious. Maybe, yeah. Interesting. Well, but the tobacconists didn't help. You know, it's the time more than anything.

I'm not like this. It wasn't like perverse, I don't think, for Disney to have a tobacco store. But it's just weird that now you can't even smoke in the parks in any way. Right. But at the time, it's cigarettes, cigars, pipe tobacco. You just buy them on main street walk right out and start smoking probably on the rides on the rides which is what i've said many times that i don't want to smoke cigarettes but i will smoke a cigarette on pirates of the caribbean if i was

allowed oh yeah well i realized a couple times recently i had the thought like oh i have never smoked inside a u.s disney park and i guess guess I never will have that option because it's now like smoking the smoking areas outside. Yeah. When did they get rid of the inside the park smoking areas? It was more recent than you think. I think it was 2019. Because we went with a friend of ours. Some article said like.

In the last decade and he smoked. All right. Disneyland has ceased having indoor smoking in the year 2000. It's like, oh, no, that is much later than you would think. Yeah. Well, that's when it all changed, I guess. Late 90s too. Yeah.

But yeah. So out of step, I guess. You could get your hair cut and smoke a cigarette in Disney World in 2000. And if certain products were blown into your hair, it would light your hair on fire. That's true. Yeah. Is that blue sanitizing liquid that they keep combs in, is that flammable? Seems possible.

Isn't there a light alcoholic component to that? Yeah, I think so. No, Barbasol is the shaving cream. It is something close to Barbasol, I think. Are you sure? I think so. I mean, a Barbasol could also just make that. I don't know.

Hmm. Let me look. Barbasol is a thing. Everyone here be quiet while I do this. That's right. We'll wait. Barbicide. We're used to it.

Barbicide. Barbicide. Yes, I apologize to the listener. Barbicide is blue and, yes, alcoholic because it's killing germs. Yeah. Here's – there's not a lot of photos of the tobacco store and not a ton of information about it. But I found a photo from the front door. And the front door had a little poem on it and just okay you'll you'll be able to tell

with my voice where the text goes from just black italics to all caps red um i think i think i'll be able to to signal it so this is what if you want to buy a pipe at disneyland here's what you read at the door. Tobacco is a dirty weed. It satisfies no normal need. It makes you thin. It makes you lean. It's the worst darn stuff you've ever seen. I like it! That's what...

Look at this. There's for the listener. The watcher. I like it! I like it! What is this? This was at Disneylandneyland wild thing to put in this this i would buy i would i would love to own this sign john stanley was probably paid like 200 000 for that yeah bastard i just i mean it's funny to look at nowadays not just because like they don't let nick fury have a big cigar in the aven Avengers movies or like they the really insane detail of like, yeah, there's photos in Carthay Circle where it just looks like Walt's pointing at stuff because they Photoshop the cigarette out of his hand.

And let's not forget Krusty the Clown Toy is not allowed to have a cigarette. These things you both have said are like five-timers clubs in the last six weeks. Yes, for sure. These are said all the time. This is the third one. This is the third time for this. There's more cigarette content coming. That's right.

That's right. That's true. But I think it's weird to look at the tobacco list because I feel like Disney, Main Street, they have removed anything that's potentially objectionable. Like the candle shop, they wouldn't have on main street now because a child could like like oh it can't let the idea of children being by flame like so much is so like well you can't have that because a child could use that to stab themselves in the arm yes yeah yeah yeah but this this is acknowledging that it's like bad oh yeah like this is basically is acknowledging that it's, like, bad.

Oh, yeah. Like, this is basically saying, like, sometimes it's good to be bad. Oh, that little poem? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's saying it's bad, but it's also saying smoke them if you got them. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.

Well, it feels like it's, like, a mockery of somebody who likes poems. Right. I think this stupid thought. Right. But me, I say, I like it. Isn't it absurd? I like it. Yeah, who wrote it yeah no yeah it's not attributed to walt did walt just like compose it one day he started talking like you there take a note we're putting this up on the side of the wall

or is it a fame maybe it's a famous thing we don't know about well i know some of the uh i think i was saying for if you got here that they asked for, you know, they would say like to get businesses to be on Main Street. Like, we're going to build a building. Okay. We're going to take care of the decoration of the outside. You have to do the inside or we can help you. But yeah, who knows if that was whoever was running the tobaccoist or if that was like Disney's little touch. It's outside, so I guess it would be, you know,

Disney. You would think so. Yeah. You know what else he said before you got here? You stink. Jason said it. Roll the tape back. He said you stink. He wouldn't stop saying it. Jason said we have to change the topic. Just because he's not here doesn't mean... I bet he's gonna come, that stinker's

gonna come in with a stain on his shirt. Because he was eating meat. And smoking a pack in the car. He was smoking. He's stressed out, so he's just chain-smoking in the car on the way over here. He was pounding his Virginia Slims. He was sipping a Nalgene bottle of veal juice. He's a stinker and a buckler.

Let the record show. There's a lot of ways to describe me and i accept all of them a stinkler a buckler put that on a shirt folks a clifford a stinker a buckler i like it and i like it um i'm kind of mentally going in like from least weird to weird. This isn't that weird to me. But we've talked about it before. I feel like, Mike, you've noted the oddity of this, that there is a Wurlitzer store. Yes. There's a piano and organ location. Right.

This doesn't make any sense for Disneyland toland to have this but it is cool yes definitely well because that's what i so i was like i was like do you could you buy a piano at disneyland and then they gotta load it into your car like you can you just see people moving pianos down main street right yeah well i know. It wasn't because there's no room to whole house like a piano warehouse. Yeah. Yeah. Probably not more than a couple of pianos. So I I just happened to come across this like right when we started talking about this episode.

Twitter user at Mystic Flights, who I believe is an artist who has worked for Disney Imagineering before, posted a postcard of the Wurlitzer store. And on the back, it says, Wurlitzer, the name that means music in Disneyland, proudly represents the entire music industry and the fabulous spectacle. The Wurlitzer exhibit is located on the corner of Main Street USA and Disneyland.

And then it says, you're cordially invited to visit our store today and see hear play whirlitzer pianos from 495 up so they priced it out by the way with the inflation calculation 495 in 1955 is worth 5398 and 75 cents today. It's a pricey purchase. Yeah. So it's like go to Disneyland and stop in, order a Mac pro and a retina monitor.

Well, it's the price of that star Wars drink on the new cruise ship. Yes. Which is like two, like multiple cocktails, a shot of a Pappy Van Winkle bourbon, which is very expensive on its own. multiple cocktails, a shot of Pappy Van Winkle bourbon, which is very expensive on its own,

and a trip to Skywalker Ranch. A ticket to get into Skywalker Ranch comes with the special $5,000 drink on the Disney Wish. So it's not icy. A bottle of Lucas Vineyard's sparkling wine sent to your hotel room. So it's more like another trip. A free cameo from George Lucas. Yeah.

He'll whisper what his episodes seven through nine were going to be. That's right. All about what the Wills were going to do. Just talk about the Wills. Yeah. So yes. There's Wills in this drink.

It's a shot of Pappy, but infused with Wills. So there is, they do high ticket, high price items sometimes at disney what is the most expensive like souvenir you can get from disney right now i wonder oh is it in the vault maybe it's in the vault it's in the vault i mean there was a bunch of like 500 marvel statues that's up there we've looked out before i think that's up there. It's going to be something. But there's pieces of art in there that I'm sure are more expensive.

Yeah. Stuff. Yeah. Giggly. Giggly prints. Is that the term? Oh, yeah. Oh, G-I-C-L-E-E?

Yeah. Yeah. Or how do you know? I don't know how that is pronounced. I don't know how it's pronounced. Yeah. So, yeah, you could get a piano. Yeah.

I think, though, it was mainly about, you know, in that way that we found with City Walk, that it's less about they make a lot of money at this location. It's advertising. More about getting the word out. Yeah, yeah. So I think it was more about, like, I think they would even give you information about where to get pianos and organs closer to you. Right.

But they also, they did organ concerts every night. Like, a guy would sit and demonstrate. They'd patch it into all of the Main Street speakers. So I didn't know that, that in the early years at five o'clock there'd be an organ concert of Disneyland. Yeah, that's cool. Of instrumentals of Disney songs. It's competing with the lowering of the flag.

They're playing taps. And someone else is playing an old time rag 20 feet away scott joplin playing uh so that yeah that was organ music which is much more like a baseball game yeah there was a guy who used to play organ at disneyland every day and then he left that to play organ for the dodgers in fact there you There you go. And then now it's just, now there'll still be a person that plays the piano over by the hot dog store. Yes, there's that, yeah. So you still got a little of that old time feel.

I just love the hubris of like, Warlight's here, we represent the entire music industry. Sure. They made a deal with Walt to be presented that way. Well, that's what a lot of these things were about and it's a lot of why these places were there is they were they were flexes they were flexes of your

business and of your Walt relationship and due to Walt's friendship with a particular CEO you ended up with a pharmacy in Disneyland the Upjohn Pharmacy. Walt and this guy were

smoke tree ranch guys together. Of course. The famous ranch where they're building Cotino now. Of course. We all knew about smoke tree ranch before a couple months ago. No, smoke tree ranch is still going.

Cotino is inspired. It's not the same place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He liked the Palm Desert in general. Can we become Smoke Tree Ranch guys if it's still around? Or is that like a rich person's club? I think it is a rich person. I think there are like vacation rentals or stuff.

Yeah, I don't think it's the most like i don't remember the nature of the property but to become smoke tree ranch guys do we have to like we have a membership or can we just like go there once and call ourselves that we should look into that well look into it i'll hang at smoke tree ranch yeah um an episode on location um so this place the upjohn pharmacy this is when I was like probably initially glossing this over as like that doesn't seem like anything but Jason we found the same thing

this place is weird so much detail there's so much specifically there's one Mouse Planet article called the story of the Upjohn Pharmacy at Disneyland and it is so detailed both because people still had the pamphlets they would give out and there's also like the internal upjohn

newsletters like reproduced which sounds like it's doesn't sound like a human being right so like we're we are not in the entertainment business as you know we are in the pharmacy business but this is a chance of solid interesting advertising opportunities and it's like all right don't have too much fun there buddy you want a pharmacy copy to be fun yeah pills pills pills get them now hey they literally say at some point it's like i know this may seem weird it's just like this might be totes random but we're gonna do a pharmacy in a theme park this was like a but the main feature of it was that it was a turn of the century a recreation of a turn of the century pharmacy with old turn of the century stuff um so you got to see old syringes yes yay it was like it's it was kind of like it's a wonderful life pharmacy thing where i'm remember he's like given like

delivering the medicine or something delivers medicine and then uh uh the pharmacist like smacks his pad here oh yeah that's right it's the pharmacist like smacks his pad ear. Oh yeah, that's right. The pharmacist hits him in the head and it's a wonderful life. So I don't think that would happen. Because George Bailey is like, you filled those capsules with poison. Right. I know you didn't mean it. Oh, because the pharmacist is losing his mind. Well, because

yeah, because he's drunk himself into a stupor because his son died. Right, right. Yes, that's right. Jason knows this movie very well. I do know. Then what happens? Well, in the alternate universe where George Bailey is not born, he's not there to stop the pharmacist from poisoning a child with pills.

Yes, that's right. We were living in It's a Wonderful Life for a minute of, what if Mike was never born? I know. If Mike wasn't on the show. And thank God it was short, because what a nightmare. What a nightmare

to, for somebody, there wouldn't have been that tangent about it's a wonderful life if I wasn't here. Can you imagine? I can't. Imagine your life without that. So yeah, picture of an old timey pharmacy, which again, I kind of wish they had it there and that was just the candy

store or something. Yeah. Yeah. Like I wish at had it there and that was just the candy store or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I wish at least it was themed after it. Yeah, yeah. Right, where there was, like, old-time medicine, but it was just a gobstopper. It seems like a lot of emphasis on mortar and pestles. Which are cool. Which are cool.

Also, a jar of live leeches. Yeah, we got a photo of that. Can Brett, if you're there, can you pull up the... Brett, bring up of live leeches. Yeah, we got a photo of that. Can Brett, if you're there, can you pull up the... Brett, bring up that leeches photo. Pull up the leeches, please. Yeah, this is a really creepy situation. This is scarier than anything at Disneyland.

Now, this was not a real pharmacy. No. The bank was a real bank. This was not a real pharmacy. Oh, here we go. Ooh, there they are they are yeah there's a girl just staring in horror at leeches that are very long these are these are three inchers three inch guy they were bred on leech farms like these like medicinal leeches were bred to be good at medical stuff. Right. They were trained. Yeah. Yeah.

They like whispered at him, suck out bad stuff. Not good. Don't just make people bleed and that's it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They definitely didn't stop using leeches for a reason. Yeah. Like, were leeches happening so much in this era?

I feel like no. If we're saying this is turn turn of the century i feel like this is a lot like this is a fun thing oh they're using here because i think they're they're touching on before pharmacies there were apothecaries and i think if you go back far enough you get to like i don't know maybe leeches can take out the bad blood. Right. But this wasn't happening as much in the 50s and 60s. No. No. I think the, well, not 50s and 60s, certainly. But if we're like tributing turn of the century. Right, like Main Street's timeline.

What I saw is that maybe, like they were around a little and that you'd find them at bars and barber shops to treat black eyes. Wow. So got punched in the face, put a scary black worm under your eye. Would it just suck the blood out so it would not look as bruised? I think that's the idea.

That's right. Some of the dentistry. You used to go to the barber to get your hair cut, a shave, and get some bad teeth pulled. Whoa. That's wild. By a leech. Alright, leech is gonna start. Leech is gonna yank this tooth out. Also, how often are you getting a black eye as an adult?

Well, in the turn of the century, probably a lot. I guess probably a lot, yeah. Rough and tumble time. Yeah. Bullies everywhere. You hit a wrong note in your barbershop quartet. And they gang up on you. That's three against one.

Blue does, Popeye, blue does everywhere. Hey. Ready to. I Ready to kiss you. I'm going to take you out and give me a suck. You're warm and I suck you one. Like they're just like mumbling constantly and you got to stay away from them. Yeah. And that guy was secretary of state.

Yeah. For many years. Again, not a real pharmacy, but did employ two real pharmacists whose names are Frederick August Eckstein and Philip Milton Harvey. So they could answer your questions. They would dress in, they were wearing the period appropriate attire. They would talk to guests and they would talk about the exhibits. Right. So you watch Leo Wagman waves at you from an old banker desk.

And Frederick August tells you how they used to grind up sassafras. Oh, I wonder, is there enough room in there for a real pharmacy? Probably not. Because you've got to get a lot of different. I mean, I guess around that time, I don't know how many different drugs they had just being used in America. It may be fit in more of like the hotel where it's not a hotel store. It's like a little. Right.

It's like one shelf. Right. Necessities. Right, right. So, yeah, now because you can basically just like you can buy Tylenol on a leave and stuff, right? Yeah, you can get those. Yeah, you can buy those at a lot of the shops. You can also just go to first aid and they'll give you most of them for free.

Oh, good tip. Yeah, that's your way. Save yourself some money, folks. You bring a little duffel bag and just say, I have 15 children with headaches. And then just open the bag and then the doctor will dump it in. Don't do it if you're a buckler. But don't do it yet because you'll start crying in a minute if you don't have 15. I'm too cheap for a leave.

My only choice was to pay $120 to come to Disneyland. My 15 kids don't have headaches. They're fine. They're thriving. Okay. Especially the quintuplets.

They're queer. Both sets. Queer headed and fine. I think I told this story on the trip report when I went to Disneyland last fall. You five timer. A five timer. But it was still very funny to witness someone who had a very specific ailment and knew exactly what they needed come into first aid. I think I was just in there getting an ice pack.

And they went, excuse me, I just rode the Millennium Falcon. And my stomach ached. Do you have Dramamine? They're like, we have a generic version. Here you go. So that was funny? I don't know. They were just so, they were like, just so like, good day, madam.

Do you have Dramamine? I have just ridden the Millennium Falcon Smuggler's Road. I see, I see. You're saying they knew exactly what it was. They didn't have any. They weren't like me when I went in there and I was like, there's something in my eye and I need help. And they were like, I'm like, I don't know what to do.

Yeah, I wasn't sure. I think I was just not sure if Disney First Date, if it was like the school nurse where you really had to sell that you needed a single Tylenol. Like, please, I have a headache. I just need one Tylenol. And they would act like they were giving you like Xanax or something. They would act like they were giving you a controlled substance. I only went to the nurse once. Have we talked about this?

Are you serious? In all of school years? Once. I went like once a month when I was in elementary school. Oh, really? You were a nurse? I was a nervous child. I was always puking.

I was always seemingly dehydrated. Yeah. I didn't know you were a nurse kid. I was a nurse kid. Yeah. Because there were kids. Nurse's pet. Yeah. There were kids who would always go to the nurse. yeah i didn't know you were a nurse kid i was a nurse kid yeah because there were nurses pet yeah there were kids would always go to the nurse and i sometimes they would just be like

the solution was like uh go in here and lie down for 20 minutes wow like paper bed on the paper bed yeah i came in there because i got a my my somebody scratched my eye in gym class and i'm like the nurse couldn't tell what was wrong with it, but she called my mom and she was like, he says something's wrong with his eye. I don't really see it, but I think it's probably real because I've never seen him in here before. Like he's never come into the office.

So I don't, I believe he is not lying because she would see liars constantly because kids are lying all day. Jason was probably doing it when he was a kid. We all tell a little white lies, you know, that's not much respect to the guy who heisted that restaurant like yeah you can't just lie your way through things if he had been a little better at lying he he could have gotten away with it yeah grand from his job so that was the only time i ever went to the nurse once yeah hey uh we were jumping in the pool in a kid's little red shorts.

They're scratchy little red shorts. I got a lower half injury. Michael has a testicular terision due to his little red shorts. No, no, no. It was that a kid, what kids, the bottom of his shorts went against your eye. Oh, yeah. That was high school with the little red shorts. Oh, okay.

I did not wear little red shorts in elementary school. Even though it would have been cute. Ballistic, great nylon shorts. I wasn't old enough to wear little red shorts. I wanted, look, if I could have worn Mickey's little red shorts when I was in elementary school i would have but it was not an option presented to me yeah uh scott do you have what they gave away at the upjohn pharmacy yeah so well if you have a more i have a very very detailed description from mouse planet again the shop gave away free postcards as well as a free square miniature glass bottle of orange colored unicap vitamins inside a red box a white silhouette of

the disneyland castle logo containing a description uh descriptive pamphlet stating a souvenir of disneyland upjohn with a history of upj. The bottle was one and a half inches tall and contained 12 vitamins with an expiration date. Yes, I love it. Give me more hyper detailed descriptions of the tiny free vitamin bottle in a box. So how, okay, how big was the bottle? How many vitamins were in it? How big was the box that held the bottle? Right.

This is the degree of... Specificity. Yes, that our listeners... I struggled to get to the word specificity. That's okay. My language has no specificity. You were becoming so bored by what you were talking about, you just trailed off. Bottles, little bottles of vitamin of box of...

Is there a Jim Hill about vitamins? Is there anybody, is anybody like, has Kevin Perger done a big Disneyland vitamins? An Upjohn episode? Yeah, Upjohn episode. I want to know, were there kids who would like dare each other? Like, do you guys know about the TikTok trend, Gentle Minions?

Yes, indeed. Where like just tons of teens will go see the new Minions movie in suits and be rowdy. I don't know this actually. I don't know if they are rowdy. Aren't they like – I think they're very like – Yeah, yeah. There's footage of them all watching it very intently with their arms up in this sort of – I think it's a mix.

I think some are rowdy and I think some are – who knows? But were there – I'm saying were there kids who would go to Upjohn, get the free bottle of vitamins? Like, I dare you to take all those vitamins. I think that being a little stinker was not invented until the 1960s. Oh! Like, no child had ever misbehaved

until it was Dennis the Menace really helped kick the idea, just the idea. It was invented by perverse Hollywood writers. Oh, man. Jordan Peterson's right. And that is when everything went off. I'll get you, Dennis the Menace.

We'll see you, Menaces, too. The rowdy antics of Dennis the Menace have destroyed this America. Dennis is lost. He doesn't. He's looking for meaning. He's crying out and society is ignoring him. That's why he has to have the little slingshot poking out of his back pocket. We're all Mr. Wilson, aren't we?

Aren't we all trying to get the rowdy boy to behave? Isn't this what we all feel? You won't cancel me. What would Walter Matthau say if he was still with us? Even Don Rickles in the sequel, the direct-to-DVD sequel, playing Mr. Wilson. I was confused by it, but now I understand. Wow, that's a pretty solid. Rickles is Mr. Wilson from Math Out of

Rickles. That's pretty good. Yeah, Rickles' acting career, interesting. You're right in terms of prominence and interesting person, but yeah, I guess it's an acting trade down. Yes, 100%.

And I'm sure that was the only shift in quality in the Dennis to Menace sequel, which started very high bar, by the way. The Dennis to Menace Walter Matthau movie. Dennis to Menace? A great film. Are you calling it Dennis to Menace? I didn't, but that's a good idea. That's what I thought I heard.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. Did I accidentally say Dennis to Menace? Maybe not. It should have been that. Well, that's maybe two. You already had Menace to Society. So two and Menace have already been in a title together.

That's right. Dennis is a Menace to Society. And if this is a Menace, I'll tell you what, too. Society, I'll get you. So weird play. They also had a weird, maybe it's slightly less weird than. They also, they had a weird, maybe it's slightly less weird than the leeches is that they had something called asafetida gum, which is a type of root or spice

or something that comes from a root or something. And the nickname for it is devil's dung. Folks would wear it in a little sack around their necks to ward off diseases. So go to Disneyland. You see, go see the bank teller, go check out the devil's dung,

try some strained veal. It's at this point, this is, here's a, maybe a broader question with this topic that I wanted to bring up is like, that's what, that's what your main street is. Your main street is leeches and devil's dung.

Yeah. And, uh, your dad makes a deposit at the bank. And, you know, there was a lock store. They had a history of locks. You could see a lock from ancient Egypt. Right.

So you do all that, and then you go, and that's just your opening act, to then go to a park which has an unthemed hill and mules that kick and bite you and piss. Yep. And like a cloth Dumbo with eyes as black as death. Mickey and Minnie with holes in their face. Yes, with grates. Grates. Four grates going down their lower part of their head.

Yes. I what I'm I think what I'm getting at is like, how did it make it in this first year? And I don't even mean that like because I was that there was fun stuff at Disneyland even to begin with. But then there was all this. And I'm like, what was it in that first year that got him through? Right. Because everything we have listed is either boring or insane. And then a lot of the rest of the park was that too.

What do you think the takeaway, when you came back from early Disneyland, what was like, they had this, a castle? I bet the castle and the Fantasyland rides in like jungle,, I bet those went a long way. Oh, yeah. Jungle Cruise was almost what it was because that was like roughly the same, just with less animation in the figures. Yeah.

Maybe the trees hadn't grown out yet. But that's pretty, yeah, in 1955, that's pretty crazy and immersive. Yeah, and that's kitschy and fun. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. No jokes yet, though. Don't forget.

No jokes. Serious. Serioushmm. Mm-hmm. No jokes yet, though. Don't forget. No jokes. They're just saying serious facts about tigers. Yes. Right. Very serious. So I bet it's that. I do think probably having it be like turn-of-the-century Main Street felt novel to people and reminded them of their childhood, or some of them, depending where they lived.

So that was like a nice nostalgia hit for them i mean i guess look i'm somebody who goes to the saddest malls i can find because they feel like 1983 right so that's roughly yeah that's that's that's like a 50s person trying to visit a weird town yeah 1902 well it's like me when i drove to through the Taco Bell a couple weeks ago near where I live, and I was like, oh, they repainted it, and it's the 90s purple. Like they're using 90s purple on a lot of Taco Bells again, which is very exciting. It still doesn't look like the same as 90s Taco Bell inside, but it made me feel good seeing 90s purple on the outside of the building. That does sound nice. Yeah.

Good job, Taco Bell. Yeah, it's fun yeah it's like the preserved uh burger king that was going around twitter oh yeah they uncovered the burger king from one of from the concord mall in wilmington delaware which i used to go to all the time and i was like yeah i recognize that burger king i recognize that Burger King like it was just like sealed up and they never yes it's a woman posted she's like I I worked at that mall one summer and this was our overflow storeroom and there were just boxes and boxes among the booths and stuff it reminded me of when the turtles find that untouched subway station in Secret of the Ooze make it their

home and they make it their home because it's been abandoned. No one knows it's there. So they just found... Perfectly. Yes, yes, yes. I was like, I think I was sitting there after Toy Story. I think we bought extra toys for Toy Story. Yeah, yeah. Oh boy. Oh, I will.

So... I'll try to find like a VR helmet that'll let me just wrap myself in those so yeah so if we were imagining what like the version for us if there was a new theme park and main street looked like just a mundane mall that we went to when we were little with like a retro burger king a retro mcdonald like yeah uh uh like, like an old circuit city. Babbage's. What is that?

Oh, Babbage's. Yeah. The old electronics store. Babbage's and electronics boutique. Electronics boutique. An old Hot Topic. An Aladdin's Palace arcade. Oh, Aladdin's Palace.

Fantastic. Yeah. So if it was like all that, I'm going back every weekend. Yeah. Yeah. If it's like that hardcore. They have a Mervin's. Wait for it.

California. Yeah. A Mervin's California. Who would care about a Mervin's? So, yeah, because like even our parents who like Disneyland, that's still like they didn't live during the time of Main Street. They're very fascinated by and yeah so so so i think yeah when you were going in the 50s there was a much higher percentage of people that had lived through the time period it was representing yeah yeah sure and it's like the most like clean idealized version of it yes there's no

problems there yeah well and also all right so in asking that question what what what were the hits what we're getting people to leave disneyland and talk about disneyland i think that brings us to the big dog i was wondering like oh are we wrapping up or are we just building all this are we is this its own no no no it's the wizard it should be its own but we'll do it here we'll do it here. Let's do it. If we can, if we can contain ourselves. We're going to get really nervous. And that is okay. We're going to buckle.

We're going to buckle even talking about it. Well, we'll ease ourselves in because we're talking about a store called the Intimate Apparel Shop. But what did the Intimate Apparel Shop contain? But the incredible, the immortal, the wonderful Wizard of Bras. Is there a way to turn these studio lights red? Turn up the heat on us in here? The table red is a red table talk.

We're getting real. We're getting real about bras. So yeah, Disneyland had a bra store. I mean, what it said, okay, so outside outside of the store says we got a picture of this if yeah yeah if you can pull it up the outside of there's like people standing on the steps or something and the uh well here we go there's well there's the wizard there's the wizard uh cv wood in front of him an early uh important figure in early disneyland who um i later went on to other projects outside of disney and i have heard described alternately as an interesting character and kind of a con man but i haven't really dug into me neither i yeah i need to learn Yeah, that's a good tease.

We'll figure out what's up with Stevie Wood. But, okay, so this exhibit was sponsored by the Hollywood Maxwell Bra Company. And they had the tagline, The Wizard of Bras. The viewers can see that here uh um include and with this odd piece of of art where we are looking at uh two women one is in a bra and one is in the outside of the store says torselette a word i have never heard in my life i guess that is a corset i believe that's what i would think it is. It's an old-timey way. But a lovely torselet. And it's very bridal. It says, the bride chooses bras for beauty's sake. The whisper wardrobe, lavished in lace, wooing a wide world of fashion with straps to...

But anyway, the headline of what we're looking at right now is these two women kind of demure and looking down and changing into the beautiful torso. Let's, but then there's a fucking creep behind him. Look at the, one of the, it follows creatures is behind you. There is a murderer pressed against foggy glass. I don't know exactly.

Uh, it looks sort of like Eric, I don't know exactly. Looks sort of like Eric Idle, like making a goofy face. Like big wide eyes. And is that the Wizard of Braz? Is that the Wizard of Braz? Yes, that's the Wizard of Braz. The Yesterland posts on this

have a little illustration of him, and it's not much better. He's like a weird little, not quite a jester. Yeah better he's like a weird little not quite a jester yeah he's like um he's like zoltar he's like a dude yeah he's like a little zoltari he's a little like the person in the the medieval movie who it's like oh they're a total liar they're snake oil salesmen and they're trying to weasel their way into becoming king i wouldn't trust this man to sell you a brassiere yeah or or a creepy attitude i mean if anything he should be selling neck doilies whatever the hell those are called yeah you know what shakespeare wore what are neck

i mean is it neck doilies why not oh i know you're that thing yeah you know those puffies that people wore that's a good question in old dumb times that is a very good question but then what's he holding in this picture is it a key is it a leech is he trying to make these women have leeches is it like're not beautiful enough. Let the leech suck more beauty, suck the ugly out of you. I will remain young forever. Well, in the illustrated one, he has,

it looks like he's holding a needle, like a weird little- A needle? Like stringing it through his ears? What's he doing? Oh yeah, right. He's pulling a needle through his ears. Why?

It's like an old circus trick. What are you doing, Wizard of Bronze? Does one of the torso let, does it like unlock like some sort of chastity belt, maybe from the back? And he's like, I've locked you in. A knot will unlock until your wedding night. Your groom's in for a nasty surprise. Only I have the key. I will be there at all your important moments.

I am the wizard. He's really a great Disney villain. He should be up there with a Chernabog, quite frankly. Yeah, he is a scary. I mean, they should be using him in Fantasmic. Why not? We should see the Wizard of Brass fight Mickey in Fantasmic. He's an evil champion of women's chastity yeah uh he's really strange

and then can we go back to that other photo where he's on the steps there's some stuff to to analyze here um so i guess this is the same guy but now he's got like a big cartoon head and oh there's the needle okay we're doing some sleuthing here. He's holding that same needle. So that's an important... Yeah. And of course, there's Hernan J. Norris. Herndon.

Herndon. Herndon. Herndon. Herndon J. Norris. And they're both staring at a bug going by. I don't know what they're doing. President of the

Hollywood Maxwell brassiere company. Also should be noted, the designer at the Hollywood Maxwell's company company. Also, should be noted, the designer at the Hollywood Maxwell's company who would often go to Paris, you know, fashion shows and stuff

was named Theo Devo. Wow. Yeah, that's a cool name. Oh, neat. I mean, without a picture of the Wizard of Braz

putting the needle through his head, I think it's like it's a knitting needle, right? He's sewing the torso. Yeah. Yes.

Right. But I mean, it would help if it was some string attached to it. And there were like two like knitting needles. But I assume that's what's going on. Now we're getting into a more fun territory with the full picture of this character because he's like wearing fishnets. Yeah. So that's fun.

He's wearing the products. Like, right? So that's fun. He's wearing the products. Like stockings? Yeah. Yeah. Is this the same character as the character from the other picture, though? Yeah. I think this, well, this looks like a walk-around one, but there was like a mechanized one, right? I think we're looking at the mechanized one, potentially.

We are looking at it. I don't know, because it's the best photo that exists. Yeah. Of that. And by the way, just in your question, Mike, of who is the real Wizard of Bras, I also saw one that's just like a cone and who's just like a little cute cartoon guy. Like a left breast of a bra? I wouldn't say that even though this company did sell the 50s pointy bras. I wouldn't say that because he was longer than those would probably be. He was just a cone.

He looked like a big wizard's hat, but then the top part of him was his own little wizard's hat. Okay. So it wasn't like a Madonna cone bra. I don't think he was one breast of a cone bra. No. So there's a lot of ways to represent,

like Mickey, there's a lot of different wizards of bras. Yeah. Now, while this picture is up for people viewing this, that man on the right who's looking at an ant infestation, the one in the darkest suit, he is the voice of the wizard of bras so i don't know this for sure but my best guess is that there was a mechanized figure that looks like or that it is this stocking clad vizier whatever you wanted to say he is who would tell you about the history of underwear and intimate apparel and with this guy's voice which you can only imagine is like i don't wear a a bra. Like, how else is he going to sound? And a couple things here.

First of all, there's info about this on the Ripley's Believe It or Not website. Because, by the way, Wizard of Bra is one of these things. If there's ever a list of the weirdest things ever at Disneyland, Wizard of Bra is in there, definitely. Yes. It's not number one. So you see it a lot. But still not a lot of info to pull from it. But it was enough that Ripley's

Believe It or Not talked about it, and they called the little show that you watched an underwear history lesson. And let's see. So there was a couple bits to this. It was a store where you could buy bras and torselettes so you could do

that but there was also like a demonstration aspect to it one bit seems to be that you would look into 3d illusion boxes and you would like turn your head in the illusion box or like one of those pens you would get it makes makes ladies' clothes disappear. Of course. So you would look one way and it was a woman fully clothed. And then you'd look another way and she was just in a corset and pantaloons. Okay. So it was a place in early Disneyland, in opening day Disneyland, where you put your head in a box and watched a woman undressed.

It was a peep show. It was a little peep show. It was a little peep show. There you go. Yeah. And you'd think they'd lean into like, and this stuff is utilitarian and society's opinions have changed on it

from here to there and that's it. But they are a little bawdy about it all. They are a little bawdy. And Jason's getting emotional and upset about it. I don't understand. How could they, they're grooming, it's grooming. I don't understand. They're grooming.

It's grooming. It seems like there were some interviews. Websites would note it that they would talk to people who worked there, talk to cast members at the time, and they'd be like, okay, yeah. The parents and the kids didn't really care. The grandmothers would giggle, and the older, the grandpas would be scandalized that this was here. And I guess that's just a sign that's progress. That seems to be the... Grandpas were scandalized?

They were like, I'm so upset with this, I need to keep looking. They weren't upset. They were just like, oh, I can't be in here. I have to get out of here. Well, you're discussing discussing you're describing passages from a disney produced article from an internal newspaper called disneyland news with the headline if hubby is shy watch him at main street corset shop hubby is so shy hubby's shy in the corseteria. It's just a weird article in general.

But it's the older generation of men who are the most polite. They invariably remove their hats upon entering the store. Oh, there's pantaloons nearby. I best remove my hat. I mean, people would remove their hat

anytime they went in anywhere. That's old people's favorite thing to enforce is hats Goodbye, I best remove my hat. I mean, people would remove their hat anytime they went in anywhere. Like, I don't... That's old people's favorite thing to enforce is hats on or hats off. And they loved getting apoplectic at, like, the guy doesn't take his hat off in this 24-hour diner. Yeah, meals ruined, birthdays, any occasion destroyed because a guy, like, 100 feet away had a hat on.

If you could have monitored everyone's blood pressure as they walked in there, I bet it would have jumped 30 points. I need to calm down. I need to go get some tobacco three doors up. Some baby veal. I need to calm down with some baby veal.

You can't eat baby veal in the store. You're spilling it on the dorsalettes. It is crazy. I mean, I'm sure people have said this, and maybe we've, like, Walt famously didn't want Annette Funicello to wear a two-piece bathing suit because she would show her midriff in movies. But he had a bra store where you could see, I mean,

maybe they weren't showing their belly he was upset with the belly you put your head in a box he would have happily had a net where whatever but you have to have a special box to view it but if it's a room open to anyone was it and a grandpa or a hubby might walk in and be scandalized. Was it some sort of a box that would protect you from Jesus? Like Jesus' scorn? Like how Magneto has a helmet to protect him from Professor X? So if you put yourself in this box that would protect you from religious or God's scorn, you could gawk at a woman's bare belly.

Yeah, I think so. Well, there's, you know, if you can make Jesus sort of magically appear in items when you want to. So, yes, you could, by virtue of that, you could make him disappear from a box. So Walt could have like a priest like bless a box, a reverse blessing or something. Or have like a Church of Satan guy bless the box to prevent jesus from getting into the box so whatever hubby does in that box jesus doesn't find out about yeah i think so yeah we got we're opening in three days we haven't had the church of satan chase jesus out of the boxes yeah out of the bra boxes now i don't go for you you characters a lot of the time but there's one thing i need you to do you're good at chasing

christ away protect hubbies when they're getting a peek we don't want jesus here in the bra store so please put us put a first put a spell on them to ensure that their hats get removed because if they don't their hats are gonna fly to fly off. It's going to blow off their heads. Steam will come out their ears. We need a satanic draft in the entrance of the store. And it'll blow hats back then. Yeah, so this is stuff Walt had to deal with. He apparently was against having this store.

He did not want this to be here, but he had to flesh out the street. There had to be things in the street. Sure, he was against it. He's the guy in charge. That's the story. Hollywood makeup maven Max Factor, the actual Max Factor, told him to fuck off. And it's like, okay, I guess we can't have a makeup shop. What else? What else do mom, grandma,

and little Sally like? Pantaloons. I don't know. They like underwear. they need dresses and underwear doilies undergarments they smoke cigarettes oh fuck we already have that women say women in the park should smoke cigarettes with little bits of lace at the end cigarette fire again at dizzy land due to the lace cigarette trend. Like, there should have been... There were other things he could have done if you really...

Like, pudding works. Like, a pudding store on Main Street. They didn't have to put this here. He was pretending he didn't want this here. Second candy store. Sure. Or soda fountain you know what between the carnation ice cream and the pharmacy there wasn't that i could i'm sure there was like you know regular fountain soda but there wasn't like an old-timey you know yeah no room sarsaparilla

i still think pudding works is a good choice if they had just a full-time pudding radio, a good Disneyland pudding place. J.L. Pudding's Pudding Works or something. There are a couple pudding places in Los Angeles. Really? I think, yeah. Where? Do you know? Santa Monica? I don't know.

Is it like hipster pudding? I think it's like, yeah. It's like a paintberry version of pudding. So you load it with toppings and stuff. Interesting. High-end Silver Lake hipster pudding. Yeah. You heard it.

I did not know about this trend, but we got to go. The thing that's like $2 at the grocery store, guess what? They found a way to make it $10. Man, I wonder, is there like a Mike Gambuzza of pudding? Or is that maybe you? Could be. Yeah be yeah yeah the door's open yeah jm sheridan's pudding works jm trifles jm sheridan's trifle world puddings and trifles the wizard of trifles um before we wind it down there's a clip that we'd have if we could play that because there's no audio of the what then the wizard of bras did so it which is very upsetting that we can't look at that

character and then know how gruff and william frawley yes but what if there was some even weirder audio that people cannot seem to find the or it seems like the most i found was this may have been a print on demand kiosks this was possibly part of when they did i guess the 50th anniversary or around then you could burn a cd you could pick what tracks you wanted on a cd and burn it and this might have been one of them which could have been like a song from a ride or it's groom grinning ghost or something but then it could also be this odd 90 second snippet of the wizard of bras show so this isn't the wizard let's be clear she's setting up the the wizard uh so i don't i don't remember a lot of what this is but let's just experience it together look in the mirror and see the story of fashion. Like all stories, it has two sides.

But since fashion is a lady, the world can only know half of it. The truth is that even in Grannys Day, being a doll required a lot of pull. Those 90s were supposed to be gay, but it took a lot of work to be stylish. And most of it was undercover, as this makes clear. There's never been a cheekier voiceover. Needless to say, granny's secrets were well hidden.

Why she turned green with envy if she could see the lift today's girl gets from our low-cut viet. I want you to pause between every third word. Kinky pauses. fashions to choose from, it takes a wizard to keep them in shape. That's why Hollywood Maxwell designs a bra for every fashion.

To see them all, just ask at your favorite store for Hollywood Maxwell, the Wizard of Bras. My favorite store? Favorite store, yeah. My favorite store is Fry's Electronics. I don't think I could ask them

for Hollywood Maxwell bras. I went into the Woolworths and said, do you have Hollywood Maxwell's bras? And they're like, no. One thing that's striking me from that is that music. I was going to say the music is so. That's still, like, used as, like, lazy comedy music in certain movies. Yeah. Like, you're like, oh, God, the comedy music.

Yeah, good old sneak around. Sneak around music. Yeah, it is sneak around music, but it is trying to lighten the mood. It's trying to lighten the mood of this like delicate uncomfortable well that you know the hijinks that you know like steve martin might get into uh try to get his way at the wedding and father of the bride yes but in this case it's the hijinks of of a woman hiding her, giving herself some pull for hubby. A woman, but you can only know half of a woman. What is this? It's just clothes.

I don't know. It's so, the country, humans are so fucked. Like, it's just clothes. Come on. Like, I mean, I'm not saying, like, when I was younger and you, like, walk into a victoria's secret i wouldn't be like what am i i gotta i can't look at anything like i was like that but like this is society i live in this is the society here's what you need to do ladies

spend spend an hour and a half getting little hooks and pulleys to jam around your body, make you very uncomfortable all day so that you can sort of look like you are half a pound lighter. I wonder if Hollywood Maxwell had the reputation that I have heard women talk about Victoria's Secret go like, it fucking sucks.

None of the sizes are correct. They don't measure you right. You go to an actual apparel like women's apparel store actual like bra shop they're like you've been wearing the wrong size bra for two decades you're saying like teen mall employees that work there might not be measuring people yeah it might not be totally correct yeah well the hollywood maxwell bras from these pictures if if i'm gathering things correctly they were the perfect size and shape for women's pyramid-shaped breasts. Of course, yes.

Which I assume that they had until the year 1959 or so. Until they evolved to be less pointy. Until the 60s when they started burning bras. They were burning. They started over as the Great Revolution. Nobody had to reinvent what they were even like yeah yeah what a strange place and show oh but but here just before we wrap up one thing it's interesting about this this odd creepy show with that vo and i don't know and then whatever

the wizard sounded like though i and i don't know what the wizard did but he at least probably like turned or shook around violently but he was mechanized and keep in mind in 1955 there were not mechanized characters at disneyland lincoln was almost a decade to go no enchanted tiki room so it's possible possible that technically the first audio animatronic was the wizard of bras wow yeah that's pretty wild again don't know what he did probably just like uh his ears steamed yeah at the mere thought of like a you know of the half inch of skin revealing itself. If he rotated, it made the sound of like an ax being sharpened. Like it was just horrifying.

He sparked. He would spark. Again, if those sparks tumbled into the, into the barber shop, into the barbicide. He's the first, he's the first ever robot

that could get horny. That's what we're trying to say. He's the first. Now we have many robots like that. But back then, that was very rare. Look, and if you played that like tinkling little music, you were allowed to be a little horny. Disneyland could have a little horny as a treat if you had that. Because it would make it comfortable.

Without the soundtrack, you're going right to hell. Just society would fall apart. Right. But unless you play the Mickey and Goofy sneaking around the haunted house music. Walt came into Matching Ring Monday and he goes, here's what I need you to do. We need to make a robot who's a little horny. Not a lot. A little horny.

Can we do it? All right, see you later. And he walked out and he went to see Hazel George and get his polo injury worked on. His laughing place. Yeah, yeah. Okay, ladies, that's the presentation. Now all eyes on the wizard who's about to get hard. Boy, Walpers.

And I said a little. I said a little. I didn't say anything about an erection. I'll allow a 20 degree angle. He can go 20 degrees up. Not a full 90. Not a full one. I said a little. I didn't say anything about an erection. I'll allow a 20 degree angle. He can go 20 degrees up. Not a full 90. Not a full one. No full 90s.

Not on my watch. If I say a 90, we're shutting the store down. Roy. Roy comes in. He's like, this is too expensive to give a robot a boner. Walt, we're going broke here. The Bank of America won't allow this. I'll ask him for 50 grand more. No problem.

Here's what I'll do. I'll stage a robbery. I'll fake robbing the bank so we can pay for this wizard robot boner. If the chicken of the sea people can cut the amount of tuna used on sandwiches in half, we'll save ourselves a bundle. Have a scoop, fellas.

We got rusty robotic erections to pay for. Well, I think that's a little window into what Main Street was like back in the early it was exactly like that. And if you managed to not get sparks in your eyes that flew off of the Wizard of Brawls, you could have yourself a pretty nifty day.

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