Produced By - #3 - Raid Matwi: A Few Steps Away From Becoming a Certified Stuntman

Episode Date: May 10, 2023

Raid Matwi is a London based aspiring actor and a stuntman. Currently, he’s completing required disciplines to apply for a globally recognised certificate to join professional stuntmen. Having completed five out of six he’s going to apply soon to join the British register and become one of them. With his proficiency in different sports and activities, including karate, diving, racing and more, he’s already got experience working as a stuntman, extra and even minor acting roles. We discuss a deeper introduction to stunt work, the conditions to join the stunt association and his acting experience. Coming from Hungary, Raid shares his inspirational journey of moving to London with no prior sense of a direction until he got an idea that changed his life. Now, balancing his biggest passion, regular job, being a father and more, he continues to pursue his dream with a positive mindset. Listen to this episode to get a deep dive into stunt work, to find out what exciting projects Raid worked on and what famous people he met on set.  Connect with Raid: ⁠https://www.imdb.com/name/nm8833225/⁠ ⁠https://www.spotlight.com/2010-5610-6333⁠    ⁠https://www.instagram.com/raidmatwi/?hl=en⁠ ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/raid-matwi-ab55a3225/?originalSubdomain=uk⁠ ⁠https://www.youtube.com/@raidmatwi9605/videos⁠ Topics: Stunts introduction Stunts certification Raid’s preparation for the certification Stunt disciplines Stunts association Getting work Stunt and acting experience Projects worked on Favorite stuntman Dream projects Work in front of the camera Stunt coordinators Favorite stunt scenes Stunt doubles Regular job Productivity tips Set experience Experience with famous people Work abroad Work opportunities Role of the association Credits Beginnings and journey Change of entry requirements Quotes: “You’re going to be part of something big, something elite and they're not going to give it easy to you.” “Life is tough but that's what life is about.” “You always have to push no matter what. I have kids now and haven't got much time. But I still get the training in. It's time management.”  “I went for it and since then it has totally changed my life. I'm still not there. I still have not finished my training. But I’m close now.” “You just have to keep pushing. Otherwise, if you quit you're gonna regret it for the rest of your life.” Connect with the podcaster: ⁠https://tomasloucky.com/⁠ ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomasloucky/⁠ ⁠https://www.instagram.com/thisistommen/⁠ Follow the podcast: 🌐 Website: ⁠⁠⁠https://produced-by-podcast.com/ 🔗 Links: ⁠⁠⁠https://linktr.ee/produced_by⁠⁠⁠   💬 Contact: ⁠⁠⁠https://produced-by-podcast.com/contact 📷 Instagram: ⁠⁠⁠https://instagram.com/produced_by_podcast⁠⁠⁠  🎥 YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT5LHnM6YCaeVzIr0WatOsw⁠⁠⁠  ✉️ Email: ⁠⁠⁠[e-mail]⁠⁠⁠  Apple Podcasts: ⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/produced-by/id1684669642⁠ 🎙️ About Produced By Podcast: Produced By brings you exciting stories of brave people who set out to build careers in competitive fields despite often challenging circumstances. Whether you are interested in creative industries, personal development or want to have some fun, enter the spotlight along with our guests and get inspired. Listen to people coming from all parts of the world, diverse fields of expertise and different levels of careers. So join us to follow their journeys, learn from life experience and embark on a great adventure. 🤩 If you enjoy listening to the podcast, please, leave a review on your podcast app, subscribe or share it with your friends. You can also send us a message and share any feedback, advice and tips for guests. 📭 Subscribe at https://produced-by-podcast.com/subscribe so that you don't miss out! #producedbypodcast #producedby #enterthespotlight  Enjoy! Connect with Tomas:X: https://x.com/TomasLoucky⁠⁠⁠Stan: https://stan.store/TommenLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomasloucky/⁠⁠Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisistommen/⁠⁠Unproduced:Newsletter: https://unproduced.substack.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@unproducednotesSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033Ddo8ibDlLYoaP7FFLIWMore:Links: https://linktr.ee/produced_by⁠⁠⁠Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://producednewsletter.substack.com/⁠The Podcast Club: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/25420030/Tools & gear that support the show:Metricool: https://f.mtr.cool/HRJBZKRiverside: https://riverside.sjv.io/vDnDodFavikon: https://www.favikon.com?fpr=tommenRa Optics: https://ra-optics.myshopify.com/discount/TOMMEN?rfsn=8803777.591d19JamX: https://jamx.ai/podcasters-offer?ref_id=e02d48af-ef66-4e76-b804-c2e8d282a8bfSome links are affiliate links, which means I may earn a small commission at no extra cost to you. If you find them useful, using these links helps keep the podcast running. Thank you!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Raid Matvey is a London-based aspiring actor and stuntman. Currently, he is completing required disciplines to apply for a globally recognized certificate to join professional stuntman. Having completed 5 out of 6, he is going to apply soon to join the British Register and become one of them. With his proficiency in different sports and activities, including karate, diving, racing and more. He's already got experience working as a stuntman, extra and even minor active roles. the rose. We discussed a deeper introduction to stunt work, the conditions to join the Stunt Association and his acting experience.

Coming from Hungary, Raid shares his inspirational journey of moving to London with no prior sense of a direction until he got an idea that changed this life. Now, blends in his biggest passion, regular job, being a father and more. He continues to pursue his dream with a positive mindset. to this episode to get a deep dive into stunt work to find out what exciting project Ray to work on and what famous people he met on set. Enjoy. Hello, Rayt, welcome to the show and thank you for Janinos today. Everybody, thanks for having me on. You've got quite interesting story. Can you briefly introduce yourself and what you do? Yeah, my name is Raid. I live in the UK

since 2011. The last couple of years I started working as a stuntman and I'm also training towards to be a qualified stuntman in the UK so I'm training to join the British stunt register that's the best way if you would like to get in the industry and I'm on my last skill now so you have to complete six different sporting skills I'm just doing my very last one now

after all the COVID and injuries and what happened so hopefully I can submit soon and are going to be parts of the British Stansfordist up. What is the last one? It's horse riding. So you practice horse riding? Yes, I started riding last December. At the moment, I'm just doing basic stuff, you know, how to check up a horse,

walking with a horse, doing a bit of trotting, and then soon that you can transition to do cantering and more advanced stuff. I feel like I've got so many questions. I don't know where to start. What are the other discipline that you? already know. So if you want to join, you need six different sporting skills. That's the requirement at the moment. First one is martial arts. You have to have brown belts from a recognized martial arts. I've got black belts from Karatee because I started to shoulder down cards over as a

little kid. But then I left it on a side. I did different stuff. I was fighting in the street a little bit of boxing. Then I did a bit of boxing. At last couple of years, I've done in love with Gigi too. But yeah, for the sunbishop, I'm going to use my black belts in karate. A complete dive master course, skip a diving. The dive master is below the structure level. With Karate, you said that you used to do it. So now, when you basically submit it, do you still need to somehow show them that you still remember it?

Obviously, if I blackback is something you're still up to scratch me or no way, and you have to show like evidence. You can move, you can fight. So, yeah, when you do submission, you have to do a little video demonstration, what you can do. it's good to mix up stuff I think they can see like the more variety of skills you got is the better

with scuba diving is there also some kind of I don't know certificate you receive or yeah so it's called the paddy dive master certificate if you certify dive master you can work as a dive master you know you're helping out and boats helping out at a lake

at a sea with an instructor and you just you know take students here and there yeah just to get rough idea how long does it take to complete it is it's up to you like but now they changed rules since 2020 i think after the covid so used to people just go away to Bali or Thailand one or two months completely nice but now they said you have to have dive in cold water in the UK I only be diving in the UK I don't know how does it look like to dive like a nice warm environment when I slide

UK lake and sea so cold I finished in May 1 in February I think you're so cold and shivering And you have to suffer, you know. It's like, as you said, diving in Thailand, part of your holidays. Yeah, exactly. With beautiful carous or what do you call it? Roughly, how many months did it take? For me, it took a while because I started before COVID,

that I was always locked down, another bit of injury. I completed like in a year and a half, two years' time. And also I could do full time because I have to work. Yeah. I have to support myself and the family. So it's not like I can just go full time training. I just did it like on the weekend

Saturdays that's why it's spread out more but if you can afford just go away and just put your head down and like two months you can complete it it's not an issue does it mean that you go with some trainer or is it part of the course

like a large school skibber diving school you can find lots of rounds even like around London with some you know classroom stuff then you go out to lake and it's like a little process you have to go through you have to complete different tasks You have to shadowing with students, helping out the instructors.

You've got different tests. It's quite a lot involved and it was pretty cool. I really enjoyed it. Can you say, I just estimate how much does it go to such a course? Everything is, yeah, I think it was around 1,500,000 pounds. I also bought a dry suit because obviously in the UK, you mainly drive with a dry suit that was really expensive. Yeah, you can spend between, I think, 1,500 to,

and a half grand i don't know if it's changed since but it's yeah it's a big pricey as a hobby is an expensive hobby yeah and did you enjoy it in the end yes i really enjoy even it was cold and suffering butter it was something about it i liked it you know yeah feeling when you come out of the woods and then after that it's just yeah i really enjoyed it's like when you when you do cold plunges but now it's a part of the hey they trading i've got one out in my garden i follow like people breathing and the stuff it's really good for recovery and that yeah I actually bought recently a little swimming pool and put water

outside and now when it's caught outside. Perfect. It's proper cold, no, yeah. That's why I go out, I bring the ice and then just sit in there for like minute, minute and I come out, I feel like a reborn, refreshed. Anyways, going back to the qualification, sorry. So the next one was the rock climbing. So I do the rock climbing instructor course.

That takes a while as well. And then I completed rally driving at Silverstone. So you have to go through different drive lines You got front wheel You got the rear wheel You got four wheel And you got an off-road section

There's four different drive lines And you have to complete three different rally events as well That's quite expensive And with rock climbing Can you do it somewhere on a wall Or do you need to actually go on a mountainous? You have to be outside on the rock The actual rock

So I started went to climbing a lot in the big district went to North Wales, by the coves. There's lots of places in the UK you can do rock climbing. Did you enjoy it as well? Yeah, yeah, not as much as skip, but yeah, it's pushing your limits as well. And also I'm quite short and stocky, muscley.

It's a bit different for me than some guys you're not really skinny, flexible, much easier up on the world, and I'm like, oh, like a very like, I guess need to have a strong grip. Definitely, you need a grip, yeah. That's really worth well for Gigiisios. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Then you mentioned car driving, right? Yeah. How was it? That's pretty good. That's really good. I really enjoyed it.

Yeah, yeah. It's very expensive, but it's lots of fun. He loves well. It's really good. If you're good at it, you know, you'll be employable in the industry. It's very good. But you need to be really good. It sounds like these disciplines are kind of doable in spends of months, whereas, as you said, with Black Belt, it takes literally years.

Yeah, it works. Yeah, yeah. Exactly. So if you decide it, you can do it, I don't know, let's say in a few years, all of those, but for a black belt in a martial art, you need to do it for quite a few years. Exactly, but to be honest, I think which is said in a way, you can choose king boxing, for example. There are lots of clubs around London. You can be a black belt in a year time.

To be honest, for me, is like, why would someone be a black belt within a year time that's so short? That's why all the requirements it says if you choose Brazilian G&G2, it has to be purple bad level because everyone knows because you take so yeah but no you do jujitsu just out of interest

because you don't need it because I love it yeah yeah I just love it yeah what do you love about it I don't know I just love hanging on people's neck that's your favorite submission favorite one is definitely the guillotine

different stuff on the neck I like smash on the top I mean I'm still a bit here like not about going on sound like I'm like a big expert. All these two years what I've learned and what I'm doing, I'm really enjoying it. This really reflects life as well, present life, Gigi 200%. Sorry, I just want to go back to finish off the skills than I've got to talk about Gigi to.

Look, Godot. The year number five was swimming, which was the hardest test in my life. Why was that? So the swimming test, I'm just going to tell you how this it looks like. So it's a one-hour test. You start with 400 meters as a warm up under 10 minutes. Then you do 25 meters with one breath. You come up in the end.

You got 20 seconds rest and you have to go back again 25 meters underwater. Then you have to do 100 meter freestyle front crow in 1 minute 30. 100 meter breaststroke 1 minute 50. 100 meter backstroke 1 minute 45. These are 100 meters. You got butterfly under 2 minutes. it's 10. There is some other sections of the water stuff, which

is not too hard. And then you've got the clothes part. So you have to put clothes on, shoes, trousers, jackets. And you have to swim a hundred meter under two minutes, 20 meter with one breath, like breath holding, and tread water in the end. It's the hardest,

toughest feeling I've done in my life. I nearly like puke up in the end from what I've done it. How can you remember the whole sequence? Because I was swimming like here for a year and a half, like four times a week. I joined a swimming club and all my life is which I have to pass this test because I wanted to get it down.

I failed at the first time in May. Last year, May I failed in backstroke. Then I went back to trade even harder than I paused in November. Oh, nice. Goer out. Thank you. Was it, you didn't make it in time? Yeah, I was out of time on the backstroke.

Yeah, I was too slow, basically. How long does the whole sequence take in the end? You have to cooperate it within an hour. Sounds very tough, not gonna like. He's very tough, especially in the clothes, you just have to give everything you got. I remember the last 25 meters I was going backwards. I said, I felt I'm just going to die.

I'm going to die here. I'm going to drown. That's it. The end is here. I remember I looked at the side and my missis was sitting there. She was pregnant with our sweet babies. No, I'd rather die here.

They're going to have to pull me out. I don't. And I made it. Well done. And it was very tough. And it was inside swimming pool, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But isn't it five all already?

Didn't you say the chart doing horse ride, no? Yeah, that is six? Yeah. Why are doing six to one? Isn't five enough? No, you have to do six. Oh, okay. Wow, that's quite a few.

Yeah. I'm trading since end of 2017, 2018. Obviously, I had COVID. They shut down the whole thing, but also they changed the rules, the requirements to get in. So I lost a few years. Yeah, it takes a long time and dedication.

And these read out people who just want to quit. What are some more examples of these sports or activities that you can do to pass that? You can do a lot of guys who are like gymnasts. I wish I'd have gymnastics when I was a kid. If you do gymnastics, you can do trampoline in and then maybe you can go for high diving for your body position and you can do three all together like that. I mean, not all together, bad. You can have an advantage in your training.

Because all these guys who got gymnastics background, you know, they just match out of these tests. I wish I had some gymnastics, but never did gymnastics as a kid, nor trampolining or anything like that. You can do motorbikes, gymnastics, trampolining, high diving. Yeah, it's quite a few to choose from. So did you choose the one that you did because those are the ones that we are interested in or because they are kind of the fastest or the easiest or what was the reason? So the reason was, yeah, I wanted to choose the ones, which I think I could do it in a reasonable time. And if I was wet for, for example, I'd say gymnastics, especially the new gymnastics test now, is so high.

If you haven't got a background, you're going to struggle a lot. Why is it so tough? Is there such a big competition for that? Because, in a way, if you complete all your disciplines and you join this association with this union, you're going to be part something big, something elite. and they're not giving it easy to you. You have to fight for it and you have to show that you're dedicated

that you can do this stuff. And once you've done these six sports, it doesn't mean you're going to be good stuff, then the hard work starts. You know, fighting for camera, doing reactions. There's lots of things you don't learn during these six sports. This is just like a baseline.

My eyes is like when you want to get into seals like in the army, US. There's like a base training you have to go for that's your basic. Just get in. And then from there you start. your journey. So the association that you're going to join once you pass it, is it internationally recognized? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to have a profile on a flex form, which then

viewed by stat coordinators, like sometimes director or producers, they can find you there. You go all your details, pictures, show real, everything. Then also they know that this guy's legit because he's done in his qualifications. He's good to go. Do you need to pay like some kind of fee for that or is it enough to pass these tests? Yeah, there is like a yearly membership. You have in pounds, I think. He's like, how about nothing crazy? Nothing to pull.

No, no, no, no. And how does it work afterwards with getting work? Do you still need to apply, being productive, or does someone come to you and pick you based on this platform? So what I've seen, and I was like fortunate enough and very lucky last two years. I had some, I could work as a start performing wording without being on this association. Legally, you don't have to be part of this to work as a stunt performer, but it's much better.

You've got much more options and you'll be respected as well. It's about networking like everywhere else. I'm sure you've got the same thing. He's about food, you know. You've got the right connections with the right people, you know, what I've seen recently as well, social media plays a big part. People are putting up like little shoreills, even like in the stories, whatever. And then some people look at it and they say, oh, he can move well, like, okay, let's get him in,

try to meet him and then we'll see how he is. Is it primarily through Instagram or what? I think so, yeah, I think so. Yeah, Instagram is one of the biggest things. Basically, you can create a profile there. Everything is there. But also, at the other hand, lots of people, especially like old school guys, these social media doesn't mean anything to them.

Anyone can be anyone in social media. It doesn't reflect reality. Sometimes you see people on social media, that's just not real. You want to portray yourself in the best picture on social media? Of course. Was the reality, actually? Was the reality? And also, like, set etiquette, like, are you a team player?

Or are you just a, you know, like, when you go on set, when you work with a big stunt team, you, he's a lot more into it than just your skills. Because your attitude is like, I want to go there, help them to plead down the mat. I want to make them a coffee. Like, it's not just about your steers. It's a lot more into it. Yeah, I agree. I guess it's similar with working on set in general in a,

any roles? Definitely, yeah, definitely. And does IMDB play a big girl? If you've got a profile with credits, does it play? When I go in contact with someone, sometimes I try to set, because, you know, you've got your credits there. I think, in a way, is your CV? I'm still new in the business, so I don't want to say, I think he's like kind of a CV. They look at it, what credits you've done, who was working on a production, who was a staff coordinator there, what did you do? I think he's definitely shows.

Do you also have your own show reel? Yes, I have, yeah. That's one of the most important things to have a good showroom because otherwise you can be looking good in a picture. But that doesn't mean anything. I've joined Spotlight as well. That's for actors. I was fortunate enough to have an acting job last year. Although he's all been doubt with the British accent.

Did you have any lies? But that was an acting job. Was it for Guy Ritchie? No, no, no, no. That was extra work. But it was super cool one. He's nothing understanding there. They got it just said,

all right, guys, can you just make sure you look tough, yeah? Okay. Action. But they'll made it into such a film that means something. Yeah, but that was those, like, we just started work as an extra. That's how it all started. So what was the acting role you had?

Can you say? So they were looking for the TV series for Channel 5, called desperate measures and they're looking for like a bad guy he's like he was an acting grove

but I wasn't really doing any acting he was more like I still get short I died and he's more like a stunt job

they put me as a cast I was part of the cast we were for to be the best it was really cool and then I had this one credit

and then I could join Spotlight you know Spotlight is this big yeah I think I heard

of it yeah yeah and then when I got on the spotlight I started emailing acting agents I said

look I've done one active job, I did some stunts, and I really would like to give it a go. Obviously, lots of rejection, lots of people say they didn't reply to you. There's one agent took me on and not with them since last August, and I've got lots of auditions recently. So that's why I wanted to talk about the video, like, how important. You always have to do self-tape. They have to have a look. How do you act?

How do you look in front of the camera? Normally, when a role comes up, they send it out to a lot of agents, the casting directors, and all the actors have to self-tape, and say, see you, and then... So in that actor, did you have lines? I had the lines, but on the actual shooting,

he ended up just being a few words, and even those few words, when the TV series came out, he was dubbed in the British accent. Anyway, I'm glad. I go to the character name, I go to credit, I was happy with it.

Casio's a very cool. You said it was filming in Hungary, isn't it, where you're from? Yeah, the TV series, If you watch the TV series, it looks like it's in the UK. Everything was filmed in Budapest. And is Budapest also the city you're from? Yeah, I'm from, yeah, close to Budapest.

I was born in Budapest. Oh, that sounds perfect. Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah, it was pretty cool, yeah. So do you prefer to be as a stuntman doing some stunts without actual lines or is also acting something that you like or that you would want to do? I don't really like both. Some people say you have to choose.

you either an actor or you are a stuntman. Look, I've only started, so I can't say like how he's going to be. I don't know. There's the guys with lots more years of experience. I know some of them doing both. I've heard someone said, you can't be both. You have to either be a stuntman or an actor. What I've seen is, for example, I have another job recently.

I can't really talk about much, but I was choosing because I had to say a few lies, but also action involved. There's someone call it action acting, I think, something. like that. Yeah, like a mix. Anyways, you in front of comedy, you are not in the background fighting and no one see you. Like, you know, a few lies or just react to something and then you die. Anyways, but I like this kind of rules and you have to gauge character, you know, like,

I'm there, I'm going to, I'm going to side. I love to perform in the world. I like to get into character and that, yeah, I like both. Doing good of acting, but with action, you know? That would be my goal, I think, in the future. Can you say some more exciting projects that you worked on? Yeah, this one thing recently. don't want to be in that. I mean, you can see the credits and I believe

I can't talk about that until they came out. Yeah, of course. But the science had it came out already? Yeah, it was this one with Channel 5. It was pretty cool. It was four episodes. My first proper stunt job was he came out on Netflix. But then I had to throw a few pints on the main actor, but they just cut it out. Why was that? It always happens. I don't know. It always happens.

But I felt like, oh yes, I made it. And then you watch it back. What happened? They don't tell you that they cut it out or that you're not going to be done? They never tell you. They like, you know, they're recording lots of stuff and then they decide. I was doing a thing for Silent Witness recently. The stunt was I had to run handcuff.

So I was handcuff backwards, I had to run through a forest, hit a rock, on face hit a rock and then fall into like a little, like a river, like a water thing. That was pretty cool. But the whole thing is like, you know, five seconds. I think you better to see me. But I know I was there, I did it all day, you know, the cast was there. Big experience, yeah. But normally in the end, it's completely different what you've been through.

Did you ever get injured during film in on set? No, not during the film, not yet. Hopefully I won't be yet. I had a nasty injury to rock climbing two, probably three years ago. But, I mean, you're going to have like little bruises. You're going to hit your here and there, but, you know, it's going to be part of your job. What are some, you don't have to say? say where or what, but some crazy stunts that you've done.

Now you said running handcuffed and jumping into water. What else? Because I've just started working as a stunt, and I haven't done any crazy big stunts. You know, the big ones also going to come when you're in the industry for a few years. You qualified that they know you can do the job. There's lots of talented guys out there who do an amazing, amazing job. Hopefully one day I can be one of them as well.

At the moment recently, maybe because of my look, I'd just been like a bad guy, threw a few punch and then died. Like, I love that. Do you always play better guys? Yeah, I don't know why. But yeah. Have you got like a favorite stuntman or someone you like? Yeah, there is a lot. There was one guy who unfortunately passed away two years ago now.

It's going to be three years, I think. Yeah, I looked up in me. kind of like, he was like a professional boxer before that he went to stunts. His name was Brian Nick. He was a real light, his joke. He's like just getting to character and, you know, just the atmosphere runs. He was always all so high up. When I was getting into the series, I've seen him on set and I was like, yes, I want to be like him, you know.

Motivation. Yeah, definitely, motivation. And there's also like lots of other guys. I follow an Instagram or see that, but yeah, it's... I honestly don't know almost any, but there is one I know. His name is Vladimir Furdi. Oh, he's on pack. Yeah, that's why.

And super cool thing is that he was a night walker in time of troll. Yeah, he was the main guy, yeah. Oh, man, that was a really good, very good, very talented guy, yeah, he's... Because I think he started as horse riding as well or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it just came to my mind. It was sort of interesting. He's very good with swords, with horses, yeah, a lot of you food.

Yeah. And I think he did fighting scenes for Richard, maybe first season. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's amazing, perfect. He's got a look as well. Yeah, yeah. Team in Czech Republic, Czech action team, I think. Oh, like, stunt people.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow, I will have a look. I didn't know. Yeah, yeah, have a look at that. Look, up. And what are some dream projects that you would want to work on? Any films?

Yeah, there are. I was only to do a Bond field. That would be cool. I don't know what's going to happen with the franchise now, Obviously, there was that no time to die was the last one. I'm sure something's going to be. Yeah, I think we're just waiting when they announced new James Bond, and there will be many more films again.

Definitely. That would be one of the Jeev jokes, movie. TV series would be cool. Like we're a castor stunt team, for example, gangs of flotter. I really like, really like picky blithers. Oh, yeah, sounds great. I agree. Yeah, that would be cool.

But I'm happy to any kind of projects, to be honest. I'm just happy if I can be in front of the camera I can perform getting into character I'm like, come on, my God, I'm like this. I love that, the buzz, you know. This could be any kind of project. And when you are in front of the camera, do you listen to orders from, I don't know,

stunt supervisor or actually from the director or how does it work? You know, it depends what's the scene, how many people involved, what's arrived you, what's the pro. So basically, if he's like a bigger something, you've got rehearsals. days, you're rehearsing with a stunt team, with a stop coordinator, that during rehearsals, normally the director, if the cast involved, they come in, have a look at the rehearsals,

they got a kind of idea. And when you've got the shooting day, the actual filming day, it's very likely they're going to change it around. And you have to always be on your toes and look around and listen, instructor from director, either from a stunt coordinator or whatever, because you hear something, they normally change it as a way of the camera angles, it doesn't work, doesn't look, too, whatever. If I'm the bathroom there and always want to talk with my stunt coordinator, if someone's saying like, okay, can you do it this way? I always say first, okay, but I have to talk to my stunt coordinator first,

let him know that he can speak with the director. You're not just going to change something without asking, or he's like, he's always people around, you're always part of the team, and you work together. The director says like, oh, can you do this, please? Yeah, they're going to ask you to do that. Is this stunt coordinator like the number one person for you to listen to or to discuss stuff with?

I would say yes. Yeah, definitely. He is the one. He's coordinating the action, of course. Even if the Directors or some other guy say something and stunt coordinator is not there, I always want to make sure that he knows if they change something because he has to know what's going on every single step.

And is there one stunt coordinator for all the stuntman? Or does it depend on the size of the crew? Like normally the stunt coordinator, an assistant stunt coordinator, because sometimes stunt coordinator is so busy to doing stuff he's got an assistant communicate between the performers and the coordinator if he's like that reproduction

nowadays you've got fight coordinators and assistant fight coordinators and lots of like people I've been on the job when I was just me and the stop coordinator and then the actors was pretty chill but it was like a big more actually

you've got I don't know 50 150 200 people fighting lots going on you need that communication and that I can imagine it must be difficult to coordinate like a big fight scene or something like that with plenty of pressure especially for the coordinators is a dire pressure from the top and you always have to look out for example i see some coordinator looking around you have to be there like do you need

something do you need something we always have to be on your toes if you know on your toes all the time and you miss out soft is not good you have to be all your time and then looking and try to help out your bodies the team and the coordinator just a quick one if we enjoy our podcast please Give us a review on your favorite podcast app, subscribe or share it with your friends. For more information, visit the show notes. Thank you and back to the show. Coming back to stunt coordinators, how does one become stunt coordinator? So again, I would say if someone joined the British stunt register,

the first you've got to become a probationary member. Depends how long and how much stunt you can do. Then you can progress up to a stunt performer. Then you can upgrade. It's like a kind of great. grading system. It's been changed recently, but I think you're going up from stunt performer to senior stunt performer. Then there's another one and on the top you became a full member. That means you can be a stunt coordinator. In order to become a stunt coordinator, obviously you have to

go through a lot. Like for the years, you have to complete different stunts. You have to be an assistant for other stunt coordinators. And then it's like a grading system like in a school. But also, Well, there's stunt coordinators who just been working as a performer for a long time and through their connection they started to coordinators. Like lots of guys coming from overseas is different everywhere. Less assistant to the UK, what I'm talking about with this time. In my country there is guys, they've just been performing for years and years and they just transitioned slowly to begin a coordinator. Just curious if it can become someone only with theoretical knowledge or if you need to have stunt background as well.

like a practical. I think the more you've got is the better. Lots of stunt coordinates, theater, circus, whatever, anything which is used for the industry, I think it's just the more you've got is the better. It's not like a set of rules, what you have to have. Obviously, when you go through the years and you gain more experience and you did that this stuff and you've done that and done that and you're ticking the boxes, yeah, then you're progressing up.

So I might be wrong because, again, I just getting this recently. I don't know. I know someone just started to become a coordinate and like all of a sudden I don't know how but have you got like favorite stump scenes

from some films that you can mention I like lots of fight scenes for example like the series called The Punisher Yes Josh Berndholm

Yeah Yeah it was a great series Pretty cool fight scenes Like in the prison The gym Because I think it reminded me When there was

a Daredevil TV series as well. Yeah, I think there was like this scene where he's fighting so many guys somewhere in a hall, I don't know, and it was so long, so well choreographed. It looks really impressive. Yeah, it's very good. There's lots of fights, for example, this Hong Kong style, like the ninja world. Those are good, but for me I like more like this bloody and more like real stuff or pop fights, that kind of stuff. This is my favorite ones. I really like the Mad Max series, especially the last one when they went, go through the desert with this big trucks and Fury Rose. Yeah, one of my favorite.

There's lots of Stouttsy. Actually, I worked with the American coordinator last year who was doing coordinating, but that's really a desert. Yeah, yeah. He came from the US for a project here. Yeah, I was lucky to work with him as really cool. He told us some stories. Yeah.

Maybe you'll make it to next one. Probably not Furiosa, because I think it's already in a production, but maybe next because it was really cool, like the look of the film and... Yeah, I liked it. Impressive film. Yeah, me too. I really liked it. Yeah, really cool.

Also, like, lots of stuff being filmed in the US. For people from the UK, you know, you just fly over the world there. It's a completely different world. Yeah. I saw that celebrities that they have their... Stunt doubles? Stun doubles, exactly. Tabumbles, yeah.

How does it work with that? Is it like regular stuntman that is just similar to the actor? So he kind of picks him or how does it work? with this. Yeah, so first of all, I think, I think it's all about the measurements. If you match up the measurement, I've seen a stunt coordinator, like we were working on something and he was looking someone and matching up with the actor. So I think they look the measurements first, and then obviously the skill set depends what the actor's character can do. Can the stander both doing it well? He's driving, course riding, fighting, what kind of fighting, grader work, kickboxing,

because there's all lots of elements they have to look at. And then when you do doubling, I think there's lots of these guys. What they do is if they get them well, then they're going to take them with the next project and the next project and the next project and the next project. Lots of guys using their stuff that was for, you know, for years and years that they've become good friends. I think it's a really good thing.

But also need to look similar in the face or not. I don't think so because you never are going to see the face. Some people told me, oh, you look like Judd Bertha or something. my head is that is true ever he's come to like stand doubling the thing it's not about the face it's about your move your skill set you know

I'm quite like short and stocking a lot of things I'm really good double for most of the actors so it's cool if you look like he was good as an extra but I think the face doesn't really matter maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so it matters did you actually check measurements of Injosh and Bernhardt if there is a possibility

yeah but I think I'm a bit bigger than him I think he's there was a role and I had to like slip down something I think we do about but I spoke with a stud coordinator who worked on that movie and that I think he didn't like that a message but anyways you know they're not gonna take you from the UK unless you're like yeah

the US is it's completely different yeah and that would be cool to me one day with team just you know just for fun like it would be cool like yeah definitely it would definitely good because he was actually in episode with Joe Rogel I think a few months ago. Yeah, yeah. And it was, you know, really, how to say it? Because he's like such a famous actor.

So it was really nice to listen to him speaking with Joe and listen to like kind of and listen. Very humble and down-to-earth guy. He told some stories what he's done when he was younger. I had similar stuff. And he's really good to connect with these people through like a podcast. You feel like he'd know him a little bit. But also when he talks, you can see he's like head down.

very respectful doubt to us guys and also he's just doing his podcast or the real ones and he's interviewing people from the real world not like celebrities for real life or prison or polysophia yeah check it out is really good yeah yeah I will have a little bit that sounds good yeah

yeah it's very good yeah so have you got the favorite actor that if you're good you would want to be his stand double not really I think again like I think my body type I'm not sure if I would be to double it because I think for doubling, the more average you are, is the better.

Obviously, there is some big project they, you know, someone get you into shape or do that. Yeah, that would be cool. But I haven't really thought about this at the moment. When I think about now, I just want to finish with my training, get on the stunt register. And other way, if I'm lucky enough again, and I get an opportunity, I would like to show myself that I can do the job. That's where I am at the moment. Just a reminder I saw, like, any photos of famous actors with stunt doubles, I don't know why, but they always looked so similar.

So if they weren't next to each other, I wouldn't probably guess that it's stand-double. I think Rue comes to my mind there was a rock with someone and I think Chris Hemsworth. Maybe just a coincidence or just a specific example. The Rock is using his, I think he's, I know it's his relative. Oh, yeah, maybe like a cousin, right? Yeah, he's a cousin, yeah, he's related to him, yeah, and he's using him for a long time. They look quite similar, yeah. What do you think just gives my mind about Tom Cruise and his stunt skills?

He's amazing. I think he's doing really well. I respect the guy. I met with he once. I was working as an extra. Oh, really? Was it the mummy, I think. Was the mommy?

Yeah. Oh, actually, it was because I did a bit of research and I saw it was, I don't know, some website and your name was, I think it was Vicky A, this web, this website that is about specific films or TV series and there was your name and it was on the mummy so I was actually some extra work and sometimes I think when I started I thought if I put extra work into my CV

on there's like a website called backstage or other like platform there you can look for extra work when I started a fortify highlight extra work on my CV that's going to be cool now I find that no one gives a shit about your there's an extra no one really cares But that stays of the internet Some companies takes your name out

And put it together with other themes And then your name just pops out here and there But yeah I don't respect you what he's doing Especially last big job he did on the motorbike It's just And do you still look for extra work Or are you focused on stunt work

Yeah start acting yeah A few ways I've been doing It's called special action work So it's called spec It can't become like quite a big recently So there is extras, there is stunts, and between there is special action extras. So for example, guys who got military background, got martial arts background, they can do a bit of redaction. They still extras, but they can be, you know, for example, for example, for example.

You don't want to put just extras around them, you put the spec guys around them and then the extras, so mix it up. It's still extra, but it's good to, you know, meets with other people. lots of guys training to become a stop and they do this spec work it pays well and you can be close to the action I'm not saying

it's a good thing yeah that my sense so do you still or do you work like a regular job or do you have enough of stunt work to be able to live out of it so last year I was lucky I had lots of filming work

you know more than half of my wages came from filming and also work as a truck driver so now work for a like just like on a zero is a very flexible job like in a zero-hour contract but through an agency. We take these big trailers

from studios to locate, instilling the filming industry. I can take trailers or like, you know, I'm got a glass-on license so I can drive articories. And if I'm, for example, now I'm not busy with filming. I can do a few days here and there. It really helps out and this pays really good.

So it's not like traveling somewhere far away for several days? No, no, no. It's like just, for example, they give you like a unit. You go to Warner Bros. You pick up John Cruz's trailer and you have to take it down to, I don't know, the next location which is Dover. You drop it there, you come back and you're down for the day.

It sounds great that you still stay in the industry. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty happy with it. And I like, I like trucks. I love trucks since I was like, I don't know, five years old. I said, I want to be a truck driver. I was like a big gym. I like big machines, big trucks. I'm pretty enjoyed.

I like it. I wouldn't do it like a full doctor, but I really enjoy it. Especially driving the night time, for example, Lodd. He puts up music on and have a coffee, you know, it's good feeling. I love it. You know, I'm curious, like, do still have enough energy? Because I can imagine acting must be tiring, and then doing these disciplines, jiu-jitsu work.

I just am a father of two. Yeah, exactly. So he's very tiring, yeah. But I think, you know, he's tough. But that's what's life about, you know, just sitting in one place and anywhere. I think you always have to push no matter what. You know, or I haven't got kids now.

I haven't got that much time. I still get the training in. I still, it's time management. I'm really, really lucky. I have a very supportive partner and we can work it out together. Just, man, just push it, push it, push it. And it's going to be up one day. It's 100%.

It has to be it. Can you share some tips when it comes to sleep, nutrition, rest? I'm not the best person, to be honest. I've tried this thing called a keto diet. It works for me a lot because when I eat too much bread or too much carbs, I feel slower, I feel a bit more sleepy, try to do a bit of keto. Breathing exercises. I found this weave off.

I think I told you about that, which is really, really helps a lot, especially if, like, stressful situation coming in, you change your breathing. Everything changes, especially if you do Gigi sense, start under 130 KG guy. You want to squeeze out your brain. And you just calm down and you start breathing. and you realize, oh, it's not that bad. Now I can think cold water therapy, number one. I've got one in the garden, not going to there soon.

I love it. It helps with inflammation. Do you do it every day or hope? Yeah, so I do a cold shower in the morning. After I wake up, I have a coffee. I do a cold shower for a minute and a half. And then in the evenings, normally, I do the ice bath. You come out from a cold. You feel like, I don't know, it's something about it.

You feel like you reborn. You're like, ready. I don't know, it's very, very good. I have to agree. It's a great feeling. It's like you overcome this discomfort. Yeah, exactly. When I first go in, what do you do first? You start like panicking, and then you breathe it deeply and you calm yourself down.

And you really just be in that moment. It's amazing. You can push yourself a lot more than you think you're capable of. That's very important as well. Do everyday something which is out of your comfort zone. And as we discuss stress, do you get stressful? on the set. Again, this depends.

This could be stressful, but try to be relaxed. You try not to be, you know. If you can't control yourself, that's not good. You're not going to work a lot because if you just blow out, you know, you can't do that. You have to see clearly, be calm. Especially if stunts in ball or something dangerous, you can't just go mad. You have to be always contrary yourself. And when you are on a set, are you treated, I'm not saying like actors, but kind of like

actors, so that, you know, they are runners who, who, give you food, drinks, do everything for you? Or how do they perceive you when you are on the set? So my experience, when I was working as a stunt performer, you always treat you very well. You're part of the crew. You got your little trailer amongst that trailer. Oh, for yourself.

Nice. Yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, I always be treated very well, especially if part... If you go work as an extra, what I've seen, there was a completely different story. And I think it's not... I don't like that when they treat extras, like a piece of something,

because they there were as much as important as other. Obviously, you are kind of a furniture there. I think it's as important as the other. Because if they weren't there, the whole scene would look, you know, shit. And also, it's easy to forget that they are human beings there. You know, their models, their fathers, they do, they see human beings. Don't forget to be respectful of everyone. But yeah, as far as I go, my experience, I was always treated very well.

When I did these acting jobs, there was some, you know, I was came up from the trailer. They put like an umbrella top of me and I said, I don't like this kind of come. Really? I don't really have a sugar night. Some people like, I don't like that. I don't lie that. It's like, you know, come on.

But, you know, hey, it's up to you. I think I'd be lucky I was treated all as well. Does that happen that they want to take a picture of you? With me, I'm not famous. I don't think so. I mean, I don't know maybe they like saw you in a stunt or in a film that they were like, this guy is going to do.

Yeah, just have a picture for fun. Yeah, that happens always. London. One of my biggest, like, the biggest set-up, really I worked with, I was doing extra work, and I worked with Anthony Hopkins. And, oh, wow, I was speaking with a stunt coordinator in one of the mornings, and he came in, he had like a hat on. He took his hat off. He wanted to speak with a stunt coordinator, because I was already there. He shaved my hand as well. He treated me as the same person. And he said, if you guys want to have a picture, come with me. After I said, we do pictures together. He said that to us. And I think that's really nice.

like very hot-gold and old-school guy, you know. So many actors do that, I think, nowadays. I mean, like, the impression I've got from Anthony Hopkins, he seems like a nice person. Very nice, yeah, very nice. Did you take picture in the other? Yeah, yeah, I've got a picture with him, yeah. Have you got any other experience with any famous actors

or directors or any part of the group? Yeah, I had a few recently. Those ones, they haven't came out yet, so I don't want to talk about them, but yeah. there are some like big name actors or actress and they were really super super nice very nice very nice with us yeah it's good experience yeah that's nice yeah and where do you usually film is it like in london in studios or around the uk or even abroad as you said to hungary yeah i've been to a few places last year i was up in scotland for a couple of weeks i've been most of london studios

been abroad in Hungary as I said yeah but it's always going all over the place I think the main stuff is going around London and then you can go to locations then some guys

they're traveling all around the world like guys with the top of big actors they take them yeah he's along into it would you want to do that travel around the world yeah of course yeah

yeah definitely yeah I mean at the moment I'm fine I'll go to see you kids at home I don't want to go for too far away or I can take them they'll be cold

but yeah and when you go somewhere abroad I don't know if you can say that, but do they pay for everything? Like the tickets, the food, the celery, everything. Unless you are applying for a job, for example, I don't know. He's a local stunt team. For example, in Czech Republic, they're looking for some guys.

And you want to join them. You go to Bay, see Europe anyways, and you are there. That's a different story. But as here, as a member, and then is a job coming up? Yeah, they always have to pay you for everything. Basically, you don't have any worries. You just come there to do your job. Yeah, of course. They send you the tickets. You got your altar room, whatever. All the ones. You got your wages, of course. Yeah, yeah. That sounds great. Yeah, yeah. Have you got any negative experience from set or from filming? No, because, again, I'm just only starved. So I just had good ones. I mean, I had some funny ones more like no Bollywood productions, like movie makers from India. I mean, they're pretty cool guys, but it was some madness and craziness. I don't want to do it again.

I don't think it comes to stunt or action. You know, you have to be really, really much out when you do them what you accept for, because bad things can go wrong very quickly. Yeah. So how selective are you with stunt work? Does it happen that they offer you work and you reject? No, I'm not in the position yet where I can turn down work. I take, obviously, if it's no more like stunt rates,

you know, undercutting other people, as long as this is the correct rates, and it's within your skills that you can 100% do the job. Yeah, it's fine. I had to know. I said, I'm going to offer you a stunt job, but it's like undercutting. I don't want to do that because why would I undercut

and making harder for myself for the future when my dream is to join this big association could be part of it, that, you know, I wouldn't do that. When you want to join this association, does it play a role if you show them that you already have credit of working on stunt films, or it doesn't matter and it's basically just about completing those disciplines? I think it definitely helps because it shows that you've got experience, you've done, you know, you started working before.

I think it definitely helps. Also, if you have more than five years, stud career with a career member is a hundred credits or a bit more, I need to check up. Actually, if you got like a stock career already, a good one, you can use one of the disciplines out of the six. They do recognize that. And also, I think it's always helped because the problem being before, some people will do the six skills. The other 6 skills go on set first and then, okay, what can you do? Can you take reaction? Can you do a bullet reaction? Have you been on a wire? Can you do this? Can you throw a punch? Your front of the camera to look real? Like, these six-ports skill doesn't teach you any of this.

That's a lot of people having. And I think there's change is going to come. They're going to change some stuff in the future because what's the issue is? You do the six sports. It's very cool. You're a good athlete, but it doesn't mean you are a stunt bad. And there are people who join this association sitting there with six keys and they never work. So... Yeah. Out of interest, how many credits have you got? I think seven? Six or seven, I think.

Yeah. So when you go to cinema, you can see your name in the credits? Some of them, yeah. Pretty cool. Do you remember what was the first one? I think... Yeah, it's a Netflix series. Just came out last year.

Gold. The Bastard Son. And the devil himself or something like that. I can't see me in it, but my name is there. The credit is so happy date. Yeah. Sounds good. And did you actually move to the UK to pursue this career?

Or you moved here and then somehow decided? Not at all. So I was 20 years old, 21. And we said like, you know, after what happened in 2008, there was a big like crisis and stuff. and they said, like, we have to get out of this country, Hungary. Yeah, and basically with friends and with my partner, we packed up in a little 1.3 Suzuki left-hand drive. We panked up everything.

I just drove here to England from there. We didn't have a set-nav. My father was a truck driver in time, so he gave me the cities we have to go through. I've rolled out, you know, go through Austria, Germany, France, and biggest cities. I was looking at people who were just driving. We arrived, so my partner was a qualified nurse, but she couldn't start word. because when you arrive to the UK, you have to apply for your PIN number

in order to work in the NHS. So she went to cleaning hotels and I was throwing newspapers, leaf flags, and then I had a job. I was cleaning the streets. At nature, we had nothing. I remember like Saturday morning, 6 o'clock,

cleaning the streets around Fisbury Park and these guys coming from a party and they just threw their cans, you know, and I had to pick them out, like this kind of stuff, you know? So we had literally nothing. So for us, for me at the beginning, just to have a meal in a kebab shop or have a cook. It was a big thing, you know what I mean?

I was like, wow. Then I started, I found a knowledge of what I worked as a gardener. Then I was a delivery driver, my story progressing. And around 2016, I was like, I really want to do something with my life. I want to do, it's a lot more into me, I think, that just doing this boring job, I need to do something. And I started looking around. I had no idea I just wanted to do something.

and that scene in other where they were looking for extras film extras who could be boss as an Albanian barenacle fighters I was like fuck yeah

I applied for it and I got the job I was like the first day of my life and set they took me to Warner Bros. Studios I had to sit next to Matt Damon what we called Jason Bourne

the whole scene was I had to sit in the back of a truck and just sit next to that's it and the truck was moving basically they were making the reshoot of his face and the reaction as he traveling and he just needed some shadows next to him that's all it was when I was there I thought

like wow you know I made it to Hollywood now like yeah then I max with the stunt team there when you're set when you got kind of nothing to do you sit around your trailer or like in a dining room and I said to these guys like guys what were you doing it and they said

there are stuff guys and that's the one you need to do to become a stuntman that they They explained to me everything. They're really nice. And then I said, okay, this is what I'm going to do. No matter how long does it take, I'm going to do this. That was like 2016. And here I am now.

Well, but it sounds like a great story. Yeah, it just kind of happened accidentally. But yeah, I really got this happened. What was that moment, that switch, that you need to do something with your life? How did that happen or why? I think one of the trigger was one of my first. friend. He came here after like a year after us. He came

here and he was a welder back in Hungary. And he had this idea that he's going to he's going to do welding underwater like in a sea, like a commercial driving, diving, you know? He started doing, he found the school, he put some money together and he went for it.

He started doing the course. And I was like, man, he's doing it. He's moving up and I'm just a daily driver, gardener. I drink and I fight weekends and that That's all I do. I need to do. So that was a trigger point.

I need to do something. And I was just searching and searching, trying to find something. Really, really hard. Yeah. That sounds inspirational. Inspiration, definitely. Out of my own percent inspirational. Yeah.

I always knew I got more hit myself than just do like a regular, boring job and then go home, drink a beer and watch football. I always knew, you know, I can do much better and much better things than that. And then this sign came up. I've seen this ad work. I went for it. And since that it's commonly changed my life, I'm still not there. I'm still not finished my trainings, but, you know, I'm really close now.

Yeah, like, you are on a great path. Yeah, definitely. And it sounds like you had also great first experience, because I would imagine it would be, you know, some kind of bush in the background. But you're actually sitting next to Matt Damon, which sounds like a great motivation for the beginning. Yeah, definitely. That was the first. Or so he's like, when that's happened, I didn't see the reality of it. I was just there as an extra food like, oh yeah, you know, I really made it. It was nothing about me.

I was just there. But he was really a despair. I don't know. It would be inusional. You think you are there. They treat you really well. You know, you need to cut back a bit to your ego, you know? Yeah.

And during this journey, did you have moments of doubt? Yeah, many times. I had an accident. I was doing rock climbing. I just fall and I smashed my ankle. So my ankle went the other way around. I had two surgeries on it. The doctor said, you might.

never going to walk the same way as again as before. I'm all fine now. It's all good. I recovered. Then financial issues. Because obviously if you do these trainings, I'm working things, you've got to have a full-time job. That that's happened. That is always, always something happened. Then we had COVID. Then in 2018, this association, they said we're going to change the whole thing. So we're going to shut down. There's no more intakes. And we're going to change the requirements. So I was waiting a year and a half for them to give out the new requirement. At that time, I didn't know what I was doing,

what our training is going to be relevant or not. Then I had COVID, that no expect. But always what happened. I would just keep going, man. If it would be half a leg, just keep going moving forward. If it's a half a step or half a step, don't worry, just go more. If you fall, you dust off and just go again.

Because that's just life about, man. You just have to keep pushing. Otherwise, if you quit, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life. Yeah, I can only agree. When they changed those rules, do they make it harder? Yes, make it harder, yeah.

Yeah, they had some bit of addition and since that, this keep changing, things changing around. What I'm going to do? I'm going to finish off my last skill and whatever changes on. I'm just, I'm going to stop me and we'll see what they say, what I need to do, what I don't need to do. Nothing going to stop me now. I don't care.

Whatever they change, I'm still going to go for it. And I'm going to finish off. No matter how it was it takes, I don't care. Do you have an estimate when you might, finish horse riding. Hopefully like end of the summer or the autumn time, something like that. So it's going to be soon.

Yeah, it could be very soon, yeah, yeah, hopefully, yeah. Is there like some kind of horse training place in London or some farm or is a lot of, yeah, I mean from my level at the moment I just need just normal riding school, I learn the basics. And then for the actual test, what you're going to need later on, like, you know, riding with a sword,

do some formation work. There are certain places you can go and train. And also, as we discussed, that they changed the rules. If they change it so it's more hard, aren't they afraid that there will not be enough people for that? I think one of the things was, I think was so many people applying as well. I think they wanted to stop a little bit. But then what happened?

It was not enough performer for the amount of work after COVID. So that was one of me as well. Lots of people started working without being in the association, but already worked for the same, you know, same rate, everything is the same. you don't legally have to be part of. You can work without it. And that's why it's big changing again a little bit. Again, lots of things in the pipeline.

I've heard about lots of stuff. What are they going to change? So I think it's going to be for a better change. So I guess if you, let's say if you know people, you can be a stuntman without being part of this, right? Yes, exactly. I think that's like with everything guys in life. If you're with the right connection, you know, the right people.

And you are good. Yes, you're going to have to work. But I spoke with some of, for example, recently he's working like a major big productions, like big, big bots. He's doubling big actors. But even he said he wants to, he wouldn't need it, but he said he still wants to do the trainings. Because you just go to be more respected. And, you know, you belong to something this big, I think is always good.

So does majority of people on a set have it? Are they part of this? In the UK? Yes. I would say yes. I would say yes. Yeah. There's always like, when they can't find.

certain looks or they haven't got enough people not there they're going to get in other people before but also recently lots of guys coming from overseas very good stunt guys from france from spain bulgaria they're very good and they're working a lot here as well lots of hungary and as well lots of hungarian work for the game of thrones and all the series yeah so excited thank you for listening to produce bye subscribe to our podcast on your favorite podcast that leave a review or send us your feedback for more information about the host links from episode and ways to connect with us, visit the show notes. If you know someone who would be an ideal guest for our podcast, please get in touch. Thank you and see you soon.