Produced By - From Invisible to Unmissable: The Confidence Shift That Changes Everything | #102: Jessica Paul

Episode Date: May 26, 2025

Jessica Paul is a leading visibility coach, actor, screenwriter and founder of Scorpio. She helps ambitious women build confident personal brands and grow their businesses without burning out. After years of battling imposter syndrome and struggling to be seen in both acting and entrepreneurship, Jessica turned things around through deep mindset work and daily brand strategy. Since then, she’s built three businesses, gone viral, and appeared on screen alongside James Corden, all while hosting a UK top-ranking podcast.In this episode, Jessica shares the exact process she used to start showing up, grow her brand and attract big opportunities online. You’ll hear behind-the-scenes stories from life on stage and in front of the camera, and learn how she transformed self-doubt into real momentum. If you’re feeling stuck, invisible or overwhelmed, this one’s packed with energy, clarity and insight to help you take your next bold step.Connect with Jessica:https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicalpaul/https://scorpiobranding.co.uk/https://lnk.bio/JessicaPaulTimestamps:00:00 - Beliefs and visibility01:13 - Who is Jessica Paul02:32 - Getting into acting04:39 - Challenges in the industry06:55 - Early brand-building work10:21 - Authenticity on LinkedIn12:13 - Energy behind your brand14:12 - Building from the inside out16:12 - Mindset shapes reality16:30 - Branding through healing18:05 - Vulnerability as a strength19:17 - Managing self-doubt20:23 - Preparing to be visible22:18 - Jess’s 4-step framework23:01 - Normalising going viral24:13 - Consistent action matters25:08 - Trust the process27:27 - Lessons from 10 years28:41 - Balancing multiple roles30:04 - Avoiding comparison31:16 - Being fully yourself online32:13 - Actors on LinkedIn32:56 - LinkedIn for creatives33:45 - Building your brand34:21 - Fear of visibility35:41 - Practice makes it easier36:46 - Jess’s mission39:48 - Do the inner work41:03 - Staying grounded41:53 - Defining your legacy43:19 - Acting with James Corden44:49 - Moving to LA46:01 - Dream collaborations47:18 - Favourite shows48:34 - Book rec: Outwitting the Devil49:56 - Thoughts on Think and Grow Rich50:36 - Where to find Jess51:21 - Jess’s services52:06 - Final advice53:14 - Outro Connect with Tomas:X: https://x.com/TomasLoucky⁠⁠⁠Stan: https://stan.store/TommenLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomasloucky/⁠⁠Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thisistommen/⁠⁠Unproduced:Newsletter: https://unproduced.substack.comYouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@unproducednotesSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/033Ddo8ibDlLYoaP7FFLIWMore:Links: https://linktr.ee/produced_by⁠⁠⁠Newsletter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://producednewsletter.substack.com/⁠The Podcast Club: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/25420030/Tools & gear that support the show:Metricool: https://f.mtr.cool/HRJBZKRiverside: https://riverside.sjv.io/vDnDodFavikon: https://www.favikon.com?fpr=tommenRa Optics: https://ra-optics.myshopify.com/discount/TOMMEN?rfsn=8803777.591d19JamX: https://jamx.ai/podcasters-offer?ref_id=e02d48af-ef66-4e76-b804-c2e8d282a8bfSome links are affiliate links, which means I may earn a small commission at no extra cost to you. If you find them useful, using these links helps keep the podcast running. Thank you!  Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Because if you're believing, if you're logging onto LinkedIn and you're believing, nobody's noticing me, I'm in the background, I can't get noticed, my posts get about two likes. And if you're believing those things, that's what you're seeing. And that's all we're thinking. And the fact is, when you get to shift those beliefs, transform those beliefs and actually start to believe something different, that's when people start to see you in a different way. So I now walk around this world and I do this with my acting career to get to notice as an actor and I do it in the business world. I walk around the world with a very innate belief that everybody

I meet falls in love with me, right? It sounds crazy to say, but every post that I'm posting, I believe that people will love it. And obviously, not everybody is going to love me. I'm very rooted in that reality. I know that that is a fact. However, in my world and what I believe, I'm choosing to believe that people that do read my posts love it. And what I'm finding is that more and more people are loving it and more and more people, my people are attracted to that. Before we dive into today's episode, please hit that subscribe button. Your support helps us grow and inspire more people on their journeys. Thank you.

Hello, Jess. Thank you for joining us today and welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. So Jess, to start with, can you please introduce yourself? Yeah, so I'm Jess. I run a company called Scorpio and I'm basically helping entrepreneurs, founders, CEOs upgrade their brands, specifically their personal brands. I'm also an actor, full-time and a screenwriter. So there's kind of a lot of strings for my boa guess and I'm a very

creative person. But most recently I founded Scorpio this year to really, a lot of the stuff that I've learned as an actor, I'm now transferring over to the business world and I'm finding it so fascinating and watching this blend of the entertainment industry. and the business world come together, especially with the rise of personal brands. So that's really what Scorpio is about. It's helping entrepreneurs show up and show up in a way that the world is going to see them, and they're actually going to make money from it, and they're going to use it as a great marketing tool. So yeah, so I guess I've got that little bit of experience as an actor to really take into the business world,

which I'm finding really fascinating. And as we just discussed it before the recording, I found it super excited in the chart extras. So can you tell us actually how did you get into acting? Are you someone who's always been interested in this? Yeah, I mean, I've always been very interested in expressing and telling stories. But I actually didn't start acting until I was about 17, 18 years old. So it's a bit later in life than some people do. I got into drama school.

I went to drama school for three years in London. And then before I even graduated drama school, I ended up getting an agent and getting my first West End job. so I started in stage. So things kind of snowballed for me very quickly at that age, and I was still very young. I was about 20 at the time. And I had a great career in stage, as I say, on the West End and touring the UK, touring the world.

And that kind of was my first little taste of fame, I guess. And then I've continued on, and I've transferred over into TV and film and in the screen world. And a lot of that was to do with just my preference, where I wanted to go, where I wanted to take myself as an actor, but also, you know, the lockdown and COVID and all of that time, I think a lot of people had to rethink what they were doing. The entertainment industry took a big hit,

so, you know, there was a lot of me trying to figure out where I was going to go next. And I actually produced a few independent films as well. So I've had my hand in many pies when it comes to acting, but now I'm at a stage where, yeah, I'm auditioning. for TV and film stuff. I've just come off shooting a short film based in Manchester, which was great and I've got a lot of content coming out around that. But yeah, I've been doing it for the majority of my life, really, the best part of a decade. So it's something that's very close to my heart. But as any actors may be listening to this, we'll know it's not

the simplest of journeys, you know, it's unless you're A-list celebrity. It's not as glamorous as it sounds. So I've had to, you know, work hard, work very, very hard at my craft, but also a lot of it is to do with how I've grown my own personal brand and sold myself in that way, which again ties into everything that I'm doing today with Scorpio. And it's a very competitive field, isn't it? Because just as I mentioned before, I studied film before, but behind the camera, not in front of camera. And we've always known like that it's very tough to get in because it's competitive. So many people are trying to get in.

And I cannot imagine what is it like for the actors? It's so competitive. And, you know, it's even more so. The industry is very different to how it was 10 years ago. And a lot of it is, really, you've got a shift with the times. And in the same way that in the business world, we've got a shift with growing a person of brand and showing up more as a business owner or a founder or a part of the team. It's the same for the entertainment industry.

you're not going to be seen, you're not going to be noticed, you're not going to be recognized if you're not showing up on social media nowadays. So I actually build a brand as an actor over on TikTok. I've got a following of over 16,000 people on there. And that's very tailored to my acting. I show up, I do monologues, I post acting content. And it's really the same thing. Everybody's on social media nowadays.

And that's how the entertainment industry is as well. If you're an actor, it's not as simple as it was where you just got an age. agent and then you got in the room for a shit. Now it's like you've got to work, you've got to work even harder than it was 10 years ago. So yeah, it's career not for the faint-hearted. And especially before when there was no social media or less of social media, because now it's completely different. 100% when I was touring the world with these big shows, that would have been the ideal time for me to be creating content doing day in my life videos, all of these things. But it wasn't really a thing back then. So, you know, there's also, I see these generations coming through that have grown

up with social media and it's amazing because they're like, I'm on it. I'm building my personal brand from the get-go. But the millennials of a, you know, amongst us and the people that are like slightly older, we've not necessarily grown up with that level of attention to social media. So it's, yeah, it's different. Yeah. And did you then like realize or discovered that's important to built your brand at the same time or did like someone tell you or how did you know figure it out? Interestingly, I started building my brand because I about six years ago built my first business, which was again, it was a coaching based business, but it was more tailored towards helping artists and influencers with their mindsets and showing up in that sense. So even at the time when I was

building that six years ago, I didn't quite understand that I was helping people build personal brands. It only has become such a buzzword today. So I've actually been doing this for a very long time, but I was just kind of packaging it in a different way. And so I started building my brand as an entrepreneur in that sense to sell my services back then. And really ironically, I've only just started building a brand as an actor, like I say over on TikTok. I've only just started doing that this year, which is so... Yeah, that was like the... both today, right? Yeah. So it's very, it's very ironic. But I think as well, timing is everything. And I think, you know, with a lot of what I teach my clients, you really have to decide that you want,

that you want to be known, first of all, and you've got to decide what you want to be known for. And I think back then, I was very much in this space of, well, I need to get clients. I've got to make my money. So I was building a brand up to serve that. But, you know, this year for me, I've really stepped fully back into my creativity and who I am as an actor. So I'm enjoying building a brand around that too. And I think it's just a good note for everybody, whatever you do in life, you can build a brand around it. So yeah, so it's quite ironic really that I've only just started that.

But, you know, brand building I've been doing for years. And I think now that it's become such a big thing and there's a big rise of these personal brands, it's just very interesting for me to watch people. jumping on this now, considering I've been doing it for so long. So yeah, it's great. I think it's such a good thing. I think that it explains because I saw that it's been nine months since probably you started posting on LinkedIn or taking it more seriously.

But then it makes sense that you had all this experience of working before. So then it was kind of easier to start because, for example, as, you know, we started not really knowing what to do or how to do and it feels like a, I don't want to say, waste of time but if you knew what to do you would do it just differently yeah i think that's the thing i think a lot of people you know and i've had a lot of these podcast interviews where people have asked me how did you do it how did you grow that quickly and one of the things that i was that i've said is that honestly i joined linkedin the reason i joined linkedin this was last year the reason i joined was because i wanted to get a job at the time and now i've had like i say my acting career is up and down

you've got to work hard. I've had businesses that I've run, but I kind of hit a point where I was like, I want to work within an agency, I want to learn some more. So I was like, right, I'm going to get a job. Where do you go to get a job? LinkedIn. This is what I've always been taught. So I was like, okay, great, I'll join LinkedIn. I will, you know, see what happens over there. And I think for me, because I hadn't been brought up on LinkedIn as a corporate person, I, as a creative, I always thought it was a space that I was, that wasn't, that I didn't belong in. And, you know, when I joined, I was like, oh, actually, there's creators on here. There's influences on here. This is new to me. I didn't realize this. So for me, I just then started posting on LinkedIn like I would any other

platform, like I have, you know, over the six, seven years of my life. And I was a little bit naive. I was just a little, I didn't overthink it. I just thought it's the same as anything else. So the reason that I didn't overthink it and I just showed up very, authentically and very, and a little bit naive to what it actually was, I think that's why I stood out because I think a lot of people are getting a lot of advice on LinkedIn about how to grow your brand. But because of that, a lot of people are doing the same thing. And nobody's really disrupting the space. Nobody's really being authentic because they're constantly in their heads thinking, well, I've got to do it this way to be noticed. And actually, the only way you're

going to be noticed is if you step out of the crowd. So I think I did that without realizing it. And that's how I got on LinkedIn. But I like it. I think it's a great advice. Because although when compared to other platforms, I think it's still like untapped potential in LinkedIn because not that many people either use it or don't post regularly. But still, as you've been there for some time, you see that there are a lot of people. So it might be a hard to stand out. But when there is someone who, you know, embraces their uniqueness or just is rememberable for something, just, you know, makes you remember them. Because, for example, we haven't known each other. I don't really know, probably how I discovered you. But I saw, I like,

you know, your positivity, your wipe and the way that you show up. And it just confirms what you just said. Do you know, as well, that's so good to hear because the other thing that I'm teaching, and it's not really widely spoken about on LinkedIn. But I'm teaching the energy behind this work too. And I think that there's so many people that are like, okay, how do I write the perfect post? How do I engage with people? How do I do all of these, again, very strategy-based things? And they forget that actually there's a foundation that you get to lay in yourself as a person with your beliefs, how you think about your brand, how you think about the world, how you think about yourself. And also with your energy and how you're choosing to show up in this life.

It's not just about writing the perfect post. It's about doing it in an energy that people are attracted to. And that's a lot of the basis of my work, which is, as I say, it's not widely spoken about on LinkedIn because LinkedIn is a very professional platform with people that haven't necessarily thought of these things, very high-achieving people, entrepreneurs, founders, who, when they want something, and I get it because I'm a high-achieving woman myself, but when high achieving people want something, the first thing they think is, okay, what do I do?

What do I have to do? What's the action I have to take? When actually, the first thing that you get to be thinking is how can I work on myself? And how can I feel better? How can I think better? How can I move about this world better? Because when you get to lay, when you lay that foundation, the action that you take becomes easy. writing those posts aren't hard anymore. You're not, you don't have to overthink it. You're not in your head as much because your energy is leading the way. And yeah, I think I've found a way of talking about this now on LinkedIn that people are resonating with, which is wonderful because, you know, it is quite new to some people.

I agree. Yeah. And I always try to say it's also important to have fun. So, as you know, or I'm sure you've experienced it, too, it might not be easy to show up every day. and be excited. But still, if there is something that you enjoy, that you are excited about, whether it's writing a funny,

authentic post or engaging with someone, it just makes it much easier, doesn't it? Massively. And again, that's laying that foundation of your energy first. I've got a four-step process that I've taught and that I've actually, I did a free masterclass on this. So for anybody listening, you can go and grab this. It's a 60-minute masterclass with me going through this four-step process.

But the reason I have this four-step process and I do it in this order is exactly for that reason, because you can't show up having fun with a platform. If you haven't done that groundwork on who you are as a person and what you believe, because if you're believing, if you're logging onto LinkedIn and you're believing, nobody's noticing me. I'm in the background. I can't get noticed. My posts get about two likes.

If you're believing those things, that's what you're seeing. And as human beings, we believe what we're. see, obviously, you know, like if we are showing up and the posts are only getting about two likes and nobody's engaged. And that's all we're thinking. We're just thinking nobody is noticing me, nobody is noticing me. And the fact is when you get to shift those beliefs, transform those beliefs and actually start to believe something different, that's when people start to see you in a different way. So I now walk around this world and I do this with my acting career to get to get notice as an accent and I do it in the business world. I walk around the world with a

very innate belief that everybody I meet falls in love with me. And it sounds... I like the idea. Right? It sounds crazy to say, but every post that I'm posting, I believe that people will love it. And obviously, not everybody is going to love me. Like, I'm very rooted in that reality. I know that that is a fact. However, in my world and what I believe, I'm choosing to believe that people that do read my posts and love it. And what I'm finding is that more and more people are loving it and more and more people, my people are attracted to that. And that's how we get to move about the world. And I think, you know, we can be so tied up in this imposter syndrome and, you know, again, looking at what's going on in our current reality and thinking I'm failing, when actually

we get to create a whole new reality in our head. It comes down to mindset, doesn't it? Yeah, 100%. I like what you said. It's definitely something that I will think about after as well. And what actually made you to realize this. It was like, I don't know, discovered or did someone teach you? I love that you ask that question because it's not, you know, this didn't happen overnight for me, this way of thinking, this way of being. I, around six or seven years ago, when I built my first coaching business, I went through some really tough, difficult times, some really traumatic periods in my life that I had to work through and I had to be willing to work through. So this came from, you know, I wasn't just thinking of business and making money in the beginning.

I was genuinely thinking of healing myself and being able to love myself. And it's not the first thing entrepreneurs think of, you know. But because I did all of that work years ago and a lot of it had to do with trauma I faced around my own entertainment industry and stuff like that, because I did all of that work years ago, I now get to use that foundation in everything that I do in life. So it's not only growing my business and making me money, but it's also fixing my relationships. And it's, yeah, like I said, making me financially abundant, you know. So it's deeper work than people want to go to because, as I said, as high achieving people,

you just want to jump straight to what's the strategy? If you took the time to work on yourself, you'd find that the strategy becomes easy. So that's the basis. Yeah, I like it. And I, of course, it applies to LinkedIn or other areas. but I can imagine must be very important when it comes to acting, not only as a very competitive field, but even putting yourself out there,

you know, I cannot imagine what it's like, whether it's on stage or in front of camera. It's massively vulnerable. And again, this is where I'm finding it fascinating to see this blend of personal branding on the rise because it's massively vulnerable to build a personal brand and to show up every day with the awareness that nobody might read your post,

nobody might care in the beginning, but being able to still put yourself out there and grow with that confidence in yourself that you deserve to be seen and that people are seeing you, being able to do that in the beginning is tough because it's very vulnerable. And there will be people that look at you in the first place and go, oh, you know, that's a bit cringy or why they say that or, you know, all those fears that people have. but you won't get anywhere unless you start. And it's not about proving it to anybody else. It's about just staying consistent with yourself and what you believe.

So for me, I've been through it all with my acting career, which is why showing up in the business world. I'm very, it's not even about having a thick skin. I literally just, I just believe something different. I don't see comparison. I don't see these things. I just show up as me because I did all that work. And we all get to do it.

And do you still have any doubt sometimes or do you feel like you've mastered it? Oh yeah, all the time. We're all human and I think it would be ridiculous to say I have no doubts. But I think what I've got good at doing is it's what I call getting out ahead of it. It's like if you are finding that you're in a pattern of doubting yourself, you've got to find a way of working on that before it even happens. So again, like I said, working on your energy, working on your mind, mindset, working on those things before the doubt even comes in so that the next time you log

on to LinkedIn and the post that you've just done doesn't blow up again, you're not going to feel that pang of doubt because you've already done the work previous to that. And in one of my steps, the final step is literally trust it because you've got to trust that it might take time for you to become visible and to grow your brand. But rather than looking at that time and sort of doubting yourself or complaining about it, you get to look at that time as preparation time. You get to look at that as prep that you get to do on your mindset so that when you do blow up, when that post finally does go viral or it does pick up, you're ready for it. You're ready at that level of visibility and that level of fame.

And that I think is wonderful. I think that we, as I say, get to fall in love with the time that it takes to notice. I'm pretty sure that you will relate even more than in my example. But, you know, I get lots of DMs about, I don't know, how to grow, how to get more engagement and stuff like that. And because you're a bigger creator, I'm pretty sure you get it even more. So when someone reaches on next time, I'll tell them to go to listen to this. I love that. I love it.

But it's true. And I think, like, again, for anybody listening who are more in that strategy-based place, there is a lot of strategy to this as well. Don't get me wrong. It's not like I sit in my room and I believe these great beliefs and then I'm just expected to happen because that's not how the world works. I show up every single day and I'm very consistent and I do have a strategy around LinkedIn like everybody does.

But what I place more of my time and energy on is the mindset piece because, as I said before, then the strategy becomes easier. But yeah, in terms of, I mean, I don't. don't know whether you want me to cover any of the actual strategy or... Yeah, of course, because the majority or a lot of audience is on LinkedIn, so I'm pretty sure to be ashamed not to ask you. Are you struggling to stay consistent on LinkedIn? Fanpost helps you create high quality posts in minutes,

so you can write faster, show up more, and stress way less. Built by creators for creators is the easiest way to grow your presents without burning out. Try it free at FanPool. Well, what I can do is I can cover this four-step process and then if anybody wants to go and dive deeper into it for themselves, they can, as I say, head over to my profile and get the free masterclass. Yeah, I will add it to the show notes as well for anyone. Yeah, anybody that's interested. But so the first step in my process to becoming visible and growing this personal brand fame is you've got to decide it. You've got to decide that you

actually want to be known. You've got to decide what you want to be known for. You've got to decide who you want to be known by. And so a lot of this first step is the clarity piece, which again, people skip over because they just jump straight onto LinkedIn and they go, okay, well, I've got to just post these posts. Right? Just for the sake of posting. Exactly. But without actually being clear on how you want to be known and whether you do even want to be known, because a lot of us live with these blocks already around being famous. A lot of us are actually scared of it subconsciously. So if you don't understand that part of yourself first, you will never grow. So that's the first step. It's deciding it. The second step is normalizing it. And I did a

post on this this morning and a lot, I had a lot of people messaging me about this because, again, it's something that's not widely spoken about. Being able to normalize your level of visibility and fame. So there's some things in your life that are normal to you. Let's say it's normal to wake up and make your morning brew and brush your teeth in the morning. That's a normal thing. That's, that's in your routine. It happens every day. But it's not necessarily normal to go viral every day. You don't wake up thinking, I'm going to go viral every single day, do we, right? But what we get to do is we get to actually make it normal to do that. We get to make that a part of a norm in our life just as it is to get up and brush our teeth every morning, it can be normal for you to go viral.

It can be normal for you to have a bunch of client inquiries and it can be normal for you to make a lot of money. But the way that we normalize it is by one, our mindset, our beliefs, and we go to a subconscious level. We actually get to the root of what we're believing. And then two, our energy, how we're showing up. So that's the normalizing step. The third step is action it, which, as I said, you can't get anywhere if you're not posting. You can't get anywhere if you're not showing up on LinkedIn or whatever platform it is for you. So that's the action piece. And there is a lot around that that I do with my clients in a very tailored way,

where it's very tailored to who you are and what you're trying to achieve within your brand. So whether it's through a podcast or whether it's through showing up on LinkedIn every day with these posts or in-person events or more of the traditional PR, how it is for you that you're going to action it, where you've got to take that action. And as I said, if you've normalized it and you've got clear on what it is that you want from your brand, that's going to become easy. Right.

So then the fourth step is trust it. Trust that your brand and your visibility is going to grow. And as I said, we covered this before. You know, you've got to fall in love with the time it takes to be noticed because it might take time. It might not happen for you overnight. But actually, I think that that's even better because if you do go viral tomorrow and you're not prepared and you don't have your beliefs down and you don't know how you're showing up in the world, it could really backfire. In fact, it could damage your brand massively if you go viral and you don't know what you want.

So I actually think that that time is so important, that preparation time is so important. And that's what we get to work. Actually, I was about to ask if you want to cover these four steps, but I wasn't sure if you would be willing to reveal it. But I'm so glad you did. It made me think as well. And if I followed something like that when I was starting out, oh my God, it would make everything easier. Yeah, yeah. And so that's, like I said, it go into more depth in that master class.

But that's those four steps is the method, the real premise to how I'm working with my coaching and my mentoring clients. we work through it together step by step in that order so that when you do get to the action part of this process you are just flying and you will go viral a lot of my clients have gone viral yeah that's probably the answer for those DMs that I get go to just his masterclass to go viral I love it no I really like it it sounds great I'm just trying to think of myself when I was starting out yeah Because I got like, for example, of course I'm not going to lie. I didn't really have a plan when I started showing up for me. It was pretty much learning by falling and learning along the way.

But I also got like a lot of messages, oh, you suddenly got viral or a lot of engagement. I was like, but you don't see that I've been showing up regularly for, I don't know how long. There's lots of work behind. And people just see the immediate results. 100%. And that's the thing. There is no such thing as overnight success. I've been working on this as a say for a decade as an actor and you know all the stuff that I've

learned all the experience that I've had. It's taken me 10 years to be able to master building a personal brand which is now why I teach it and why I've founded Scorpio this year, which actually is another good point to bring up around be careful about who you're learning from because you want to learn from people that have actually done this like there's a lot of people that are showing up trying to teach how to grow a personal brand because it's become such a buzzword, it's become such a big thing, like anything, right? Like any industry that's starting to boom. But just be careful about who you're investing in because you've got to look at the people

that have done it, that have got to where you want to be, that have got the results, direct results, and because they're the people that have had that 10 years or so have experienced behind the scenes that is going to be very beneficial for you. So, yeah, it's important. And as we are discussing all of this, whether it's your personal presence, acting, and business, how do you actually manage to do all of that? Because it sounds so much. It must have great time management.

It's a very good question. I'm not going to say it's easy because it's not. But listen, this is again part of what you believe around it because you can either look at everything going on in my life and think that's overwhelming. oh my god i wouldn't want to do that but i'm just kind of in love with the creative side of my life and i wouldn't have it any other way really but yeah it constant battle of i think where i channel my energy because as i say i'm growing a brand on ticot as an actor and i'll be completely honest like that's my goal in life and that's that's the thing that i'm in love with the most so being able to wake up one day and go okay i'm i'm an actor and identifying as actor one day

but then being able to wake up the next day when I've got client calls or when I've got, you know, calls with prospects and be like, okay, no, I'm coach, I'm mentor, I'm podcast host today, whatever it is, I think for me, I find it easier if I wake up in that identity. And that then leads my day with what I have to do and my priorities. But I think it's important as well to note that for any creative, multifaceted person that might be listening, you know, you should be so proud of yourself. of for doing what you're doing because there are people that only have one thing that they channel all of their energy into, which is again why those people might grow faster than you. But if you're

a creative, multifaceted person, whatever you channel your energy in, it is going to grow. But if you're channeling into lots of different things, you've got to be okay and comfortable with that it might not grow to multi-eight-figure business overnight if you're also doing something else. Or you've got a family or you know you're doing these things and again it's not comparing yourself because we're all on completely different journeys and I am not trying to be the face of personal branding I'm not trying to be next best agency for branding or anything I'm just helping the people that are my people that I know I can help and frankly I am going up of being an actor so you know it's one of that It's a great point what you said, because I think even on LinkedIn,

that sometimes you fall into comparing yourself to others. But again, you don't know the whole story. You don't know their background. You don't know if they are working on something else. So I also might sometimes compare myself, but then I need to remind myself, okay, you don't know the present background, the present story. They don't know who you are. So compare yourself.

And you know as well, it's about showing up and talking about that. That's why when I'm on LinkedIn, in. I openly talk about being an actor. I will share day in the life footage of being an actor because I'm not afraid to show my full self to the world on any platform. And I think it's important because then it does show people, okay, wow, this person is doing a lot with their life. I don't know how they're doing it, but they're doing a lot. And it's interesting. It's an interesting thing for to witness and to see. So being able to show up and talk about all those other qualities to your life, that's part of building a personal brand.

And I think it might be maybe just me, but to be honest, I feel like I haven't really see anyone else, like being an actor and sharing up on LinkedIn. So of course, there must be other people. But from your experience, what is it like? Are there many actors who are also building brand on LinkedIn, or are they focusing on other platforms? I think there are actually a lot more actors on LinkedIn than you realize. but as I said, they sort of don't talk about it.

And I think that, oh, there's people that are maybe ex-actors that used to be in the entertainment industry that are now, you know, have their own businesses. But there are probably more actors on there that you think. But again, because we feel sometimes that we have to water our language down in certain places, you know, when I joined LinkedIn, like I said, it was a platform. I didn't think I belonged in initially because I thought, oh, this is just a corporate place where you get a job and that's what it's there for. then I logged on and I realized there was so many creatives on here,

I realized that actually is a space that has, there is so much potential for creative people. And funnily enough, you know, this is an offer I'm about to bring out for artists and actors and creative people to actually utilize LinkedIn more. Because for me, obviously, it's done wonders for my career and not only building a business and, you know, working on my, on Scorpio, but also for my acting career, I've connected with big agents, I've connected with big producers, I've connected with the people at the top that most actors don't think about connecting with

because they just think, oh, I just have to go to my acting classes and that's how I know. Go and connect with a producer that has a ton of money and help them so that they can then put you in a film of theirs. There are so much potential on LinkedIn and not just for corporate people. Yes. yourself, so many creatives. I totally agree. And I think also what's important or kind of a benefit that if you connect with someone, you don't really have to or usually don't have to prove much to them because they can

just look at your profile. And if they scroll your pulse, they see that, you know, you've been consistent. You put out quality content and see what kind of person you are. So really, I would say don't underestimate, like if it takes time building your brand. Because, you know, there is a proof behind it, I would say. Because I don't know you. I look at your post. I look at your profile and I already got a picture.

100%. And a lot of it as well, because the other question I do get asked is, okay, well, Jess, you've had nearly a decade being an actor. You know how to show up behind a camera. And I do. And I know how to command an audience in that sense because I've also hosted my own podcast, which grew to a top-ranking podcast in the UK. So I've had these multiple channels of the media that I'm very well versed in.

And I think a lot of people, when they initially work with me, they're like, well, you know this because you're an actor. So I can't do it. I'm not an actor. And I think, again, that's part of my service really, because you can choose whether you want to be the face of your brand or not. And you don't have to be. And I think this is really important. You don't have to be, which is also why I offer LinkedIn ghostwriting. And I do offer podcast hosting, where I will be the host of your podcast.

If you don't want to host your podcast, I will do that for brands. But you also, you can, there is a possibility that you can be the face of your business if you want to be. And again, it's by training that yourself and how you show up and your beliefs and your energy and how you appear to the world. There's so many people on TikTok doing it, you know, showing up short form video content every single day. It's possible. It's possible to you. If you're interested in it. If not, like I said, you don't have to be the face of it. It's not like it's a non-negotiable.

There are ways and means of working around it. There is just so many opportunities at our fingertips today. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's also important to keep in mind that it's usually uncomfortable at first, whether it's like recording your first video, first podcast, whatever, on LinkedIn. But it's natural. It pretty much happens to everyone. But you do the first one, second one, and then after then,

it becomes pretty much natural and just easier and easier. Exactly, exactly. Anything that you, and with this normalizing step of normalizing your visibility and normalizing your fame, that's part of it. The fastest way to sort of normalize it is just do it and put yourself out there and figure it.

I like to say, just do the thing and figure it out afterwards. Just go up and then go, okay, it's what I've learned. And be strategic about how we're, the data that you have after doing it. But yeah, unless you do it, you won't learn. Exactly. And you don't know, maybe you fall in love for a way that, and you enjoy doing that scene then.

Exactly. This is the thing that I'm finding most fascinating about this blend of the entertainment industry and the business world, because you've got these business owners and these founders showing up that you would never expect, you know, and they love it, and they're so... And then they're speaking on massive stages,

and they're doing these things, And I just think that's wonderful. I think that if you find that passion for showing up in the world, amazing. Because the main reason why I teach what I teach, why I help people get visible, become famous, grow their personal brands, is because if you have a message to share with this world that is not only going to help you and your own life, but also help the collective, you deserve to be heard. You deserve to be seen. So I'm most passionate about helping people who have those messages amplify them and share them with the world. And I think there's so many more people out there that deserve that,

that don't have a platform that actually nowadays are getting to have that platform. And I just think that's wonderful. I love the mission and I agree. And I think I've got a great opportunity since I'm speaking with you now because since it's quite scary to put yourself out there or at least uncomfortable at first, I know you mentioned that you started with acting a bit later, like in your early 20s or late teens. So what was it like actually for you? Did you also find it uncomfortable to, you know, step on the stage or in front of camera?

Or as you said, was it natural? Or if you had any fears, what helped you to overcome it? Yeah, you know, I think for me as a person, I think, think I've always found when you're when you're acting you're a character right so you're not really showing up authentically because you're showing up as somebody else so actually as an actor I would arguably say it's slightly easier because you are just you're given a script you're told what to say and then you embody the person I studied psychology as well quite intensely so I'm very well versed with that which is why as well it helps with marketing but you know you're showing up as a character so

I always found that slightly easier. It was when I started to grow my personal brand where I had to show up as myself that I actually found harder because I was like, whoa, okay, no, the world, I'm not just behind a screen being someone else, I'm being me. And there's the real possibility that people might not like me, that people might think I'm cringy, that people might think all these things.

And that was terrifying at the time. But like I said, the only thing that really helped me with that was going deep into this inner world and actually working on myself and being willing to go there and heal myself because I genuinely, it's what any kind of, if you look at child actors and how if they've been brought up and with that level of fame and then a lot of the time you see this pattern of them crumbling and not handle it, this is the point. If you jump into this and you think, okay, I'm going to build my brand and you've gone viral and you've done those things without

doing that healing work first, you're going to find it. terrifying when you get massives of people watching you and eyes on you, you're going to find that terrifying and you're not going to be able to handle it. And so that's why my life and my journey today is starting out as that actor, then healing myself and then being able to show up as myself has been so important for where I am today. Because without that inner work, without that healing, I would find it very hard to handle the eyes on me now. Yeah, yours is a great problem because I read, and I'm sure that many people did, about child actors that when they grew up, you know, that it kind of went into their heads and didn't evolve as positively as you would expect. So I was, I don't want to say surprised, but I'm very pleased that you, like with your success and that you've been acting since you've been young, which are still so humble, positive and nice, despite, you know, like, the success.

that you had early on, which is just really nice to see. Oh, I mean, and that's lovely to hear. And I think, I do think as well, it is when we think about growing invisibility, we also have to think about, as I said, how you want to be known. And you can have lots of eyes on you. Like I say, you could go viral tomorrow. Anybody could. But again, it's about the feeling you're bringing to the room

because you don't want to be remembered for the wrong things. you want to be remembered for the right things. And that's why being clear on that is so important. And it's no, you know, when child actors grown up and they've not really been able to find that clarity on that, it's like any kind of bad PR, you know, if you're young and you're showing up and you're just like, oh, I don't care.

But then like five years later, you're like, why did I keep that? You know? Exactly. I think it's, that's just maturing and that's just growing up and everybody has to go through that. But I do think as well, though, when you're growing a personal brand and being strategic around growing a personal brand, you get to think about these things first because how you're being remembered and the legacy

you're building is very, very important. So, which is why a lot of the time people will say, there's no point going viral sometimes or you don't want to go viral for the wrong thing because then you're known for the wrong thing and then you have an audience of people that know you for the wrong thing. So being really, really clear with your positioning in this world is very important. And I guess on that note, you know, you've said some lovely kind things to me about how I make people feel with my posts and how I'm very humble. That's the way that I, that's authentic to me and that's the way that I want to be known in this world. I don't want to be known as an egotistical actor because that's just not me. So being able to embrace that as well, but also being savvy.

and clever, and this is on a PR sense of how you're being perceived, is very, very important. And again, I guess that's my media training and a lot of the stuff that I've learned as an actor, I guess. I think you've said it perfectly, and I really like it. I think it'll be shame not to ask if you could share some, you know, highlights from your acting career, because as I look at IMDB, I saw that you've been to one quite big TV series. Yeah.

So I actually worked alongside James Corden in Mammals, which appeared on Amazon Prime. And that was an amazing experience because, again, I saw a lot of the work that I'm teaching now, I was doing on myself for years. And I always say that if you're also in rooms with famous people or very well-known people, that's just sort of proving to you that you're in this frequency of fame. And that's what happened to me. So it was an amazing experience. and we worked closely together because, you know, I wasn't a huge character,

but I was in a scene with him, just me and him. And so, you know, I got to get to know him on set and it was a great experience. So that was the drama that I did there. And like I said, I started off in stage. So I had my breakout role as Sandy in Greece, the musical, which was when I was very young, like I said. And again, that was the taste of fame for me because there was a lot of eyes on me at the time. and there was a lot of press around me.

But it was amazing. It was, I think it was amazing, an amazing experience. But again, at the time, I hadn't done this preparation work. So for me, I actually did struggle a lot with that fame. I did struggle. But again, you know, you can't look back on things and regret anything. I learned a lot from that experience. And the next venture, I guess for me, which whether or not this happens right now,

because America is quite unstable at the moment, But the next venture is actually moving to LA. So that's the next thing that I'm doing is an answer. And do you know when? Like if you've got that time spent? Well, I was actually sorting my visa route to go this year. I'm going to be going this summer and I'm going to see what happens and we'll just see what happens in the world. Because who knows at this point.

Yeah. And have you got preference? Like if you want to act in TV series or movies or on stage? I'm very much steered towards TV and film right now I actually as a screenwriter have written a sitcom as well at a British sitcom which me and myself and my writing partner are looking to get produced so I think for me if anything it would be wonderful to have that comedy produced be able to star in it

and yeah see it on Netflix and you heard it here first so yeah watch out for me guys but no it's like you know I do I have a lot of belief around this. I think it's entirely possible and I think any of the creative, any other business owner they should believe in themselves too because there's a world of possibilities. Exactly.

And some film related questions, who's, for example, your favorite director or someone that you would like to work with? Oh, that's a good question. I mean, there's a lot of people that I want to work with, a lot of actors that I'd like to work with as well. You can name both

actors. Yeah, yeah. I do like You know what? It's like I've actually never been asked this before. I think it's a difficult one, because it does change quite a bit with the industry. I think in the UK, Steve and Graham, I would love to work with just because I think that he, he's very real, he's very, very authentic and just some really cool stuff. And I'd say an actor that I look up to quite a bit would be Jodie Comer. And she has, you know, she's not necessarily been in the media a lot recently, but she's done some amazing stuff. And she came, she never trained. She never went to drama. school, but she built up, she basically went from doing bit parts on BBC dramas to that

breaking out into Hollywood. And I just love that because I love, obviously, there's years of experience between that and you don't see the steps, you don't see how hard she's worked. But again, it's entirely possible to go from little big dramas to then boom, you're out there, you're in Hollywood. And that's why I look up to her. So that's how I want my career to go, ideally. Yeah, it's a great inspiration. And what will be your favorite film and TV series. I'm pretty sure it's a tough one again, but you can name.

I can ask questions. These are two black ones there. But I especially have to ask someone like you. And you're in the film industry as well, so it's interesting. I have to admit, I mean, current-wise, adolescence, incredible. And like I said, Stephen Graham is incredible with what he does.

But that, I think, has been very important because it also has proved that our industry in the entertainment industry is such important platform, not just for entertaining people, but for educating people. And I love that. I love seeing that. And I love seeing how people have really caught onto that. And, you know, that TV series now is going to be shown in schools. Yeah, I read as well. I was very positively surprised. Yeah. So that's the one on everybody's lips right now. And can you name a film?

Gosh, this is such a difficult question. So many. It can be like something that for some reason that you just enjoy. There are so many though. I actually can't answer the question. I don't, I don't, I'm trying to think even current ones. Oh, don't worry. That's okay. Gone many. It's too many. But then I always ask when it comes to any book recommendations, if there were any impact thought to you or any book that you would recommend to people. Oh, this is a great question. But my books are probably a little out there for maybe the people that might listen to your podcast. I'll say them anyway. So Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill. This is a conversation that Napoleon Hill had with the devil, take it as what you want,

you know, in the book. But it is fascinating because it basically dives into why as humans we have fear, where fear comes from. And it dives into a lot of things to do with the education system and religion and all sorts of things in society. And it's fascinating because he wrote this book, I don't even know, years ago. And a lot of the things are still applicable today. And what it's teaching you is how to essentially rid this fear and how really any fear that you have in life, whether it is that imposter syndrome, that scared of being embarrassed, that scared of being cringy when you show up, any fear that you have, that,

is the devil essentially. But it's fascinating because when you read it, it makes you think how we've really been conditioned to fear so many thoughts in this life. And actually when we can rid that fear, that's when we allow ourselves to be free. And that's when we do call in the things that we want into our lives. It sounds great and I'm not going to lie. I think I've never read it. But I know think a garridge from Napolon Hill. Yeah. It's one of my favorite ones. Yes. Similarly, it's been written a long time ago, but still I feel like that those principles or the rules he talks about, it's still so, you know, you can still use it these days. It's a great one.

I will make sure to read. Yeah, it's honestly, if there's anything you can read, let it be bad because it changed my life. That's a good one. And just to be aware of time before we finish, can you summarize where people can find you, follow you and promote any of your services. Yeah, of course. So obviously go find me on LinkedIn. My name's Jessica Paul, full name.

And come and connect with me over there. Drop me a DM. I am building a community up over there. So I do like to, you know, chat to everybody that's connecting with me. You can also find the Scorpio. You can also find us on Instagram at the Scorpio branding. And if you are interested, you can find me on TikTok. Again, just switch my name and you can find me on TikTok.

That's again, if you're a bit nosy and you want to see more of my acting background. But and then in terms of services, what I am offering at the moment is, number one, my coaching and mentoring. So a lot of what we've spoken about today is working through that and on your brand specifically, whether you're just wanting the mindset coaching element or whether you're wanting the brand and mindset coaching element. I'm also offering a few new services now. LinkedIn ghostwriting. So I am offering to take over your personal brand for you. I'm very specific with who I work with on that.

So again, you can book in a free call with me. to discuss that. And I'm offering podcast hosting services for brands that, you know, slightly bigger brands that maybe are wanting to run a podcast for their brand, but they don't want to be the face or the voice behind it. I will do that for you. And I think that's everything in terms of just guest speaking and brand collabs and things like that. Again, just just brought me a DM on LinkedIn. I will add all the links to the show notes. And then very last question, Is there any final piece of wisdom advice or something that I should have asked you or did not feel free to share? I mean, I think that we have covered pretty much everything.

But I think really the main message for anybody listening to this is just believe in yourself. Because if you don't put yourself out there, well, I think it's fall in love with the real possibility of it not working out for you. but then also the possibility that it might. Because the thing is, how great would it be if you started showing up in your personal brand on LinkedIn today and documenting it and people were following you? And it did work out. How amazing would that be?

Just remember that, that it might not work out, but there's a real possibility that it will. And so you may as well try. Yeah, it might work out, but it also might. You never know. You need to try to find out. It's perfect than just. I want to say a big thank you.

Although we haven't been connected for such a long time, I enjoy content. I like the wipe both on LinkedIn and now on a podcast. So thank you so much for joining me. Many valuable takeaways for me. So it will leave me thinking. And I will keep following, supporting, and thank you very much. Thank you very much for having me. Thanks for listening to Produce by with Tomlin.

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