Realfoodology - 25: There’s WHAT in my makeup?! With Celeste Thomas

Episode Date: March 10, 2021

Celeste Thomas, RN, and holistic skincare expert joins us for another episode to chat all about makeup! We go into the dirty deets of what’s really in your makeup - we’re not just talking about drug store makeup here! Mac, Laura Mercier & Dior for example may have a steep price tag but that price tag means nothing about quality and in fact these makeup brands are putting your health at risk. We tell you what you can do, what brands we love and so much more! Show Links: https://www.thetruespoon.com/https://www.instagram.com/celestethomas/ Eat To Glow Meal Prep ebook https://www.thetruespoon.com/eat-to-glow/meal-prep-ebook/ Acne Skincare Guide https://www.thetruespoon.com/skincare/acne-skincare-guide/ Skin Confident Course https://www.thetruespoon.com/skincare/skin-confident-course/ https://www.thinkdirtyapp.com/https://www.ewg.org/https://www.grove.co/beauty/ https://oseamalibu.com https://juicebeauty.com https://www.honest.com/extreme-length-mascara-and-lash-primer/honest-lengthening-mascara.html https://abbottnyc.com https://sparitual.com Courtney's Favorites: Bonza Pasta Code REALFOOD15 https://www.eatbanza.com

on today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast. Yeah, it's exactly how it was when you first discovered that there was an issue. It's still, our country has one of the least amount of regulations for an industrialized nation in the world. There's no credentials. There's no system in which a company can be approved. They can have certified organic, right? But most products that even say organic, it's just maybe one ingredient is organic and But most products that even say organic, it's just maybe one ingredient is organic and they can plaster that on the label, but there's no certification classification that is, this is not going to harm your skin. Hi guys, welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology podcast. I am Courtney Swan. I'm

an integrative nutritionist and the creator of the blog and food Instagram, Real Foodology podcast. I am Courtney Swan. I'm an integrative nutritionist and the creator of the blog and food Instagram, Real Foodology. You can find me on Instagram at realfoodology or at realfoodology.com. While you're there, please sign up for that email list. I don't really send emails, so don't worry. It's more just so I can get in touch with you when I need to. So today's episode is with one of my best girlfriends, Celeste Thomas, who also happens to be an amazing all things skincare and beauty non-toxic specifically expert. She's an RN. She was actually working as a registered nurse before she got into this whole world of non-toxic skincare and beauty. And she is just a wealth of information.

If you don't follow her on Instagram, go to her Instagram immediately. It's at Celeste Thomas. I will also link it in the show notes. She is really great. She is one of those people that is just constantly pumping out really amazing content with so much value. So I wanted to bring her back on the podcast. If you've been listening for a while, she, we have another episode together. We actually have three total, but as I'm recording this, I don't know the order of which of how they're all coming out. So if you listen to this in a couple of weeks, there will be three podcasts with her. She's amazing. This episode today is more specifically on beauty on makeup and why you should care, why you should want to use non-toxic makeup. We talk about really affordable options. If you're concerned about the price point,

it's actually, I feel like everyone thinks that non-toxic skincare and beauty means that it's going to be really, really expensive, but she gave us some really amazing options that you can find at Target. They're really affordable, but then also on the same spectrum, if you're listening and you're looking for those really like nicer, expensive, super high quality stuff, she also has options for that as well. So she has options for all across the board, no matter what your needs are. And we go into why you should care about what's in your makeup. And we kind of dive a little bit into what actually is in your makeup. And then my favorite part about this episode is that she gives us some of her favorite dupes. This is something that she does on her Instagram where she takes a really popular

makeup or, or skincare. Um, but specifically on this episode, we talk about different makeup that have cult followings. So there's this Dior lip gloss that she talks about, and I'm going to totally butcher the name, so I'm not even going to try. But apparently it has a cult following. Everyone really loves it. And what she does is she goes and looks, she researches into all the ingredients of that one, and then she finds another product that is at least just as good, if not better. And what she's found that most of the things that she's been finding are actually even better than these really expensive branded

products that have these cult followings. So it's really cool. And they're non-toxic. And what I love too so much about her is that I can really trust the information that she puts out there. And I can really trust the brands that she backs because this girl really knows what she's talking about. And she really does her research. So it's really great because it kind of takes the guessing out for you. And I don't know about you, but for me, I have a hard time keeping up with all of it. And it's kind of hard to constantly be going to EWG, the environmental working group website to plug in all of these different products. So she kind of takes the guesswork out of it and gives me better options for cleaner makeup, which I love. She's also just really fun. Um, she's one of my best friends here in LA and we

go for hikes all the time. And we were joking today that this conversation is kind of like just being a fly on the wall or like being on like our back during a hike. Um, cause we go for hikes all the time. And this is just like another conversation that we have about makeup and it's a really great episode. I'm so excited for you guys to hear it with that. We're going to get to a question and then we're going to get to the episode before I get to the question. I just have a little disclaimer. As always, these answers and this podcast are just for educational and informational purposes only. I am an integrative nutritionist, but I'm not a doctor. And I don't know you personally. I don't know what's going on in your body.

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foodology. Our place offers a 100 day trial with free shipping and returns. All right. So today's question comes from Amber and she asked, how do you prevent maskne? This is a huge one. And I'm so happy that I have Celeste here to help me answer this. Huge one. Everyone needs to know. I mean, I've even had a little bit of maskne. When you think about it, just having something covering your skin and you're sweating, you're maybe wearing makeup under there. Who doesn't have a breakout in those areas now? I mean, everyone I know is just having something covering your skin and you're sweating, you're maybe wearing makeup under there. Who doesn't have a breakout in those areas now? I mean, everyone I know is suffering from this. So I have two folds kind of ways to help. Number one is willing to think about what kind of mask you're wearing. So natural fibers that are breathable, cotton that you can wash,

silk. I have a silk ones from Amazon that are great. You can throw in the washer, but that's going to allow the mask to breathe so your skin can get some air and it's just not trapped in a polyester vessel that's really toxic and irritating and scratching your skin. Makes sense. So good mask. And then the second one is I really suggest not wearing makeup under your skin if you're going to wear your mask all day. Say you're an essential worker or you're someone that has to wear your mask all day. I just wouldn't wear makeup underneath there because you're just adding that layer of potential inflammation, irritation, clogging pores. So that also getting a barrier cream. Oh, that's smart. Really essential. There's

a brand. There's many brands that have barrier creams, but one that I love is from a brand called January Labs. It's their Moisture Renew Cream, and it acts as a barrier to protect your skin from the mask. So it's still breathable, but it's a hydration and moisture step to prevent the mask from irritating your skin, which will in turn prevent maskne. That's great. Also, I have another one I want to add on. Change your mask every day.

Oh, yeah. You know, so you're not getting all that bacteria and dirt and everything on there. I mean, I went, I can't even remember the brand right now. I'll link it. But my favorite ones were like three for $12. So you can get like a pile of them. I think I have like 12 masks or something that I just change out every day. I change them like I change my underwear, you know, wash them, keep them clean.

And I think that will also help a lot too. Yes. Today on Courtney's favorites, I am here to introduce you to my favorite makeup company, Ilya. This is so fitting for this episode with Celeste because I know Celeste shares the love and obsession with Ilya like I do. They are non-toxic and truly guys, basically the only makeup brand that I use now. And I'm not joking. I use everything. I'm going to list a few of my favorites, but Truly every single thing that I use makeup wise on my face, except for concealer is all from Ilia. And I want to name a couple of my favorites in case you guys want to order them. So the first one is the super

serum skin tint. It has an SPF of 40 and it's super moisturizing, has a really light tint. And so I wear this every single day as my sunscreen. It's really light. You can put it on heavier if you want more coverage, but I put it on pretty light for during the day. And then their liquid light serum highlighter is truly my favorite highlighter I've ever used. It's so beautiful, gorgeous. And then I use their multi-stick a lot. You can use it on your lips. I like to use it on my cheeks. It's kind of the like perfect little blush. And I use the color at last when I need more coverage. So when I'm going out at night, for example, which

doesn't happen often these days, but the true skin serum foundation is my absolute favorite. Again, similar to their skin tint, you can put it on heavier if you want more coverage, or you can do a pretty light if you don't need a lot of coverage. And then last but not least, their liquid powder chromatic eye tints are incredible. So they go on liquid and then they dry within seconds. And if you're like me and you get a lot of creasing in your eyelids, you're going to want to get these because creasing is gone when you use these eyeshadows. I'm going to name a couple of my favorites. Let's see. Mythic, Gleam, and Glaze are my three favorite eyeshadows. And actually,

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So I figured it was super fitting for today's episode. They are conscious skincare. Everything is very, very clean and non-toxic. I love everything. There's lotions, serums, their sunscreen is one of my favorites. I love their moisturizers, their cleansers, the rose, um, the rose spray is absolutely amazing. And I sprayed on my face almost every single day. I literally have it sitting on my coffee table in my living room because it's so gorgeous. And then it reminds me to spray my face with it every day. So make sure that you use, I don't have a code for Coco kind either, but if you use

the link in the show notes, it will give you 10% off for new customers. So go to Coco kind.com. Welcome back Celeste. Sorry, my dear friend Celeste Tom is back on for another episode. If you have not listened to our other podcasts with her, please check them out. Welcome back Celeste. Thanks. So good to be back, my love. And it's so good to connect with you guys again. We have lots to talk about, lots to discuss. We're fired up. We are impassioned. We're going to just tell you the real fucking truth about what's happening in this system, right? We want to take down the system of beauty and skincare. We want to revamp the whole thing.

We sure do. We want you to know what is up and what you're purchasing and what you're putting on your face. Yes. And half the time, the stuff that you're spending a lot of money on that's really expensive is actually not super high quality. You're paying more for the packaging and the brand than you are about the quality. It's called the pink tax. And this is something we all need to be aware of and thinking about women are taxed because they think we're susceptible to just buying whatever we're going to spend more money. So our razors, everything for women is more expensive. Beauty is another one of those things that's so overpriced just because of packaging and marketing. That's what it's all about, but it really shouldn't be about the function for you and like the quality and what it's doing to your system. Yes. Oh my God. It makes me so

mad. We're already mad. If you couldn't tell, we're like, all right, we're going to use that anger and passion to make real moves with that. And hopefully we'll start as we have more of these conversations and more people wake up, hopefully we will start to change that, you know, and even just you listening right now and educating yourself and then knowing what is in your products, that's changing a lot. Yeah. So let's get into it. Um, so what, what started me down the path of getting into non-toxic skincare, beauty, you name it, was that I learned that there's no regulation on the ingredients and skincare and beauty products. Can we talk about that? Yeah, it's exactly how it was when you first discovered that there was an issue. It's still our country has one of the least amount of regulations for an industrialized

nation in the world. There's no credentials. There's no system in which a company can be approved. They can have certified organic, right? But most products that even say organic, it's just maybe one ingredient is organic and they can plaster that on the label, but there's no certification classification that is, this is not going to harm your skin. This is not bioaccumulative. This doesn't have any irritants or potential carcinogens. There's nothing like

that. They have that in Japan. They have that in Europe. There's different regulations they have that they require to even be sold in their country. And in America, we are the wild west baby, which is good and bad, but it's bad because it's a free market society where we care more about the entrepreneurs and the business owners than we do about the consumers, which is such a problem in the skincare and beauty space. Absolutely. Especially when you look at some of the ingredients that are in these products, and then you link them to all sorts of crazy diseases, cancer, hormonal imbalances. So the main ones like you brought up that I find when I'm researching products are potential carcinogens. And I'm sorry, but if something is a proven carcinogen in an animal

study, I'm an animal. Hello, hand up, animal. So no thanks. Irritation, which I mean, it depends on the severity of the sensitivity of your skin, but why would you buy something to put on your eyeball that's going to irritate it and cause redness? It's not going to look good. It's counterproductive. Completely. Then there's a ton of endocrine disruptors in the beauty space and products, which is such a problem. Especially we talk about all the infertility rates. We talk about women who want to protect their fertility and they're putting products on their face every single day, unknowingly that are endocrine disruptors. And then we're expected to have, you know, not painful periods. And we're expected to

be fertile until we're 37. And we're expected to this and that. And you know, it's not realistic with all the things in our world that are endocrine disruptors. Right. And isn't it so ironic because now we're seeing more than ever, um, women with hormonal imbalances, infertility issues, and then we're the ones that are getting marketed all this crap that is probably leading to those hormonal imbalances and infertility. Completely. It's really wild. A huge issue. Then there's a very common ingredient in products called phthalates, which is liver, kidney, and lung causes liver, kidney, and lung damage. We also have to think about the bioaccumulation factor. We are applying certain things. If you don't know you're applying

something every day to your skin, that's bioaccumulative. Who has tested whether or not, what are the long-term impacts? What company is spending millions of dollars to test bioaccumulation in women from their products? Name one. Cause I doubt there's any. There's none. Oh, that makes me so mad too. It's so maddening. I mean, women's health is, we're done such a disservice and no one is testing. No one cares. No one is researching. And it really takes us doing our own homework in order to find out what's in our products. Do you want to hear the biggest discovery of our time for promoting healthy aging? Of course you do, because all of us are concerned about aging. There is a class of ingredients called senolytics that were discovered less than 10 years ago,

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So, I mean, why is this happening? Like, why aren't we able to, why is this happening? Like, why don't we have this information? Why don't we have someone that's regulating this? Because it, you know, there's another thing you keep talking about bioaccumulation and to, to kind of like piggyback on that, the other issues. And on top of, so we have all these products that are accumulating in our body and then we don't even know what the effects are of the different ones, you know, as they're combining. Exactly. Yeah. So what's that about too? I mean, what's the archaic patriarchal system? What's the impact of that on women? I mean, it's America. It's still a good old boys club. It's lobbyists. It's politics. It's capitalism. It's all the

things in our country that make it great, but it also makes it terrible for us as consumers. Yeah. And really in every single system, food system, I mean, it's all the same thing. Yeah. You can kind of copy and paste it to pretty much every industry in this country. It's really, really sad. And women are suffering. Women are suffering. Men suffer too, but I just feel like there's so many injustices for women when it comes to healthcare and the beauty industry is a huge one. Absolutely. And like, you know, we've said like all of these products are mostly targeted and advertised to women specifically, you know, we're taught from a very young age that we quote unquote need all of the, all of these different products. So then by the time, you know, we're 20,

we have this whole arsenal of things that we have been told that we need, you know, and it's the lotions and the face creams and all this stuff. And we do need it. But at the same time, no one is teaching us about what's actually in any of these products. And we're not being taught about, like you said, the bio community accumulation, and then the combining of all of those. Think about a woman. So if you're listening this, when I finally connected the dots to this, I was like, my mind was blown because I'd never thought about it like this before. It's one thing if you're using like one scented lotion and that's it. And that's your exposure for the day. I would still argue that the fragrance in there, you don't want to be exposed to it at all, but let's just say there's that one. There's not a woman that's just using one

product. It's the lotion that you put on. And then the perfume, it's the body wash that you use, the shampoo, the face cream that you're using, your face wash. Like think about, I mean, lip gloss. I mean, after doing the research. Oh my God. I mean, I'm not even done. I'm only, I'm, I'm at eight right now. And I probably list another 10 products that women use every single day. Think about the impact of that accumulation over time. It's so sad. And when you were talking about the evolution of women from young age buying products, it really sparked something that I want to talk about. A huge issue in our country is that we're a culture of makeup. And when you have makeup,

that's really poor quality. It's clogging pores, it's irritating skin. Women's skin is getting progressively worse by using these products. They need more makeup to cover all the imperfections and their skin can't breathe. They're putting toxic crap all over it. And when you, I mean, I did a Tik TOK recently where it allowed people to ask me skincare questions and the amount of heartbreaking images sent to me by 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 year old women. And they're just covering it up with layers of concealer that has silicone, which is blocking the skin that has phthalates. It has irritants. And it's like, Oh, it's a horrific cycle. It's a snowball effect that is so incredibly negative where they'd be better off if they weren't using anything because of the quality of products that they're buying. They have no idea is ruining their skin. I know it's just

making it worse. And then it's not so ironic. It just makes me sick. And then I think about too, their, their young bodies and their endocrine systems and their prime of their like, you know, puberty and hormone hormones and all of that. And then they're being exposed to all these phylates. So you say phylates, phylates, okay, et cetera, that are only going to cause more hormonal issues, more endocrine issues. It's really sickening. I know. It's so, so sad.

It's so sad. So for someone listening that's like, okay, whoa, I'm a little bit overwhelmed. Where do I even start? And are there other options? Like now that I'm, I'm understanding that there's no sort of regulation and that everything I'm using probably has a lot of crap in it. Where do I even begin? So the first thing to do is really realize that labels are not your friend when it comes to skincare and beauty. And there's a term called greenwashing

where companies use words like clean and they use the color green, they use wood, they do flowers on it, natural. That means nothing at all. Even the word non-toxic, which I love to use, means nothing because there's no regulation. I love to use it because it's the only way I can really explain to people my no harm philosophy about skin, skincare and beauty. So my philosophy is I want to use products that are more beneficial than harmful to my skin. Right. And really that's the only way I can classify it. So when it comes to labels, you cannot trust anything. So anything you see anywhere, just it's okay. Let it go. It might say something on the label, but really it's trusted sources

and you need to utilize your trusted sources. I mean, the environment, environmental working group, EWG, they have a skin deep database where you can look up products, which are great. I will say they don't have every product. So you have to go in and any products you have currently, you have to input every single ingredient into that database. And it takes time. It takes time. And you know, it's, it sounds really daunting right now, but as someone who has been doing this for a long time, now you, you find your products that you love, you replace everything over time. I didn't do it overnight. I, I used up all the products that I had and I slowly started replacing new things. So don't feel like you have to like drop a grand and you know, dump everything out and just start out fresh. Just start, you know,

little by little finding new products that you love. Celeste, um, we'll drop all this at the end, but she's a great resource for finding really good alternatives, which we're also going to talk about. Um, there's also, I was just pulling out my phone cause I was trying to remember. There's another, there's an app. Yes. Yeah. So think dirty app is also good. They have a lot of stuff. I will say there's still a lot of, you know, digging you have to do and you have to put in the ingredients and that's okay. Yeah. But it's doing that with the products you already have. And then moving forward is trying to finding trustee sources like me and Courtney, also finding brands that you trust. Yeah. You know, I have tons of brands that I know that they're high quality, non-toxic,

clean, beneficial before I even look at the ingredients because I know that their standards are high. Also places like Credo Beauty, the detox market. These are places you can shop that have vetted each product very, very diligently. And so anything they sell is going to be good for your skin. Yeah. There's also a new one called, I think it's Roven Beauty. We'll link all of these too, but they're in connection with Grove Collaborative. And if you're on a budget and looking for more budget-friendly stuff, they're a great place to go shopping because they have a lot of really budget-friendly

brands. That's awesome. Also Target Shoppers, Honest Beauty, Jessica Albus brand. They have great beauty products. I love their makeup. Me too. It's really good. Yeah. I haven't really found anything that I was like, meh, like it's all really good. I'm like, okay. Yeah. It's still my favorite. Oh yeah. And I found this other brand Ilya beauty. They're a little bit more on the expensive side, but if you can afford it, I mean, hands down, literally my favorite makeup I've ever tried. It's really good. I use it too. Oh my God. It's so good. It's really crazy. Like I like it better than some of the like toxic stuff I was using before, like the max and all that kind of crap, you know? I can't believe that I used to use Mac. Me too. I mean, it makes me sick. It's crazy. They test on animals, which is another thing

that we need to kind of touch on. I mean, that's more ethical stuff, but I'm really not into any brands that feel the need to test on animals. It's horrible. And MAC, I mean, their pigmentation, a lot of the toxins in their crazy pigments. I mean, you can't get that sewage sign, that green like caution color and an eyeshadow without some toxic crap. Let's be real. Like, you know, some of those colors, like that's never been found in nature.

And there's something in there that's not indigo from like crushed violets or anything like that. No, it's like that color was like the sewage that the Ninja Turtles were hanging out in. Oh, completely. But I will tell everyone listening, if you're fearful that you're going to have to shop at Whole Foods and get stuff that's non-functional, there is high-functioning beauty brands, the two we just talked about. You don't have to sacrifice. I do dupes every week for products and I usually do a dupe based on something that I used to use. So I know the formulation, like you want a plumping lip gloss that actually works and feels tingly and plumpy and glossy and has long wear and has good shades. We can find it for you now. It's not, you don't have to pick and choose. And honestly, the worst category in my opinion is, is the Sephora brands because they of course are not

regulated, but the quality in which the product is like the price point, they charge you so much for how poor quality the item is. I mean, just the branding, the marketing, getting in Sephora, it's so enormously costly for these brands. So they're literally giving you like the worst quality products. It's such a high premium. And Sephora is trying to change that because people like me and people who are way more powerful than me are calling them out. So they're offering green at Sephora, which if you're only going to shop at Sephora, those are much better options. I haven't been at all of them, but it's a good place to start. Yeah. It's a great place to start, but it's like women are, they're getting sold a bag of goods. They're being charged so much for such crap that's harming their skin. Well, exactly. And that's what makes

me so mad about it is, you know, I have friends that, and look, I want to say this before I say anything else. If you're listening and you use some of these products that we're like shitting on right now, I don't, the last thing I want is anyone to feel like ashamed or that we're shaming you or that we're like above you because we use these different products. Like that is not at all. We're just so passionate about it because we feel like as women, we've been duped for so long into thinking that we're getting these high quality things when we're paying a lot of money. Like, I think like the Mac thing, it makes me so mad because I would spend so much money on these products. Or like what I was starting to say was, you know, I have

girlfriends that swear by like Dior stuff and Chanel makeup. And you think about how much money people are spending on that and the low quality that you're getting in these products. It infuriates me because we're getting duped. Yeah. And that's the thing. That's're getting in these products, it infuriates me because we're getting duped. Yeah. And that's the thing. That's what we're here for. We want to teach you, educate you, empower you, empower you. And then if you want to use your door because that's your favorite, great. But at least, you know, yes, that's the thing. It's all informed choice. Exactly. At the end of the day, like you do you and we will fully support you in any way because supporting women, we are fucking here for it.

We love it. But we just want you to be informed so you can make a decision. Completely. And, you know, after doing these dupes for, you know, almost all of quarantine now, there are so many good products out there that will substitute it and are more affordable. So why not give that a try? You run out of your Dior. I did

a dupe for Courtney and I's favorite lip gloss, the PYT Plumping Gloss. The Dior one's almost $40. The PYT one's $18. Same ounce size, great quality. You get a great effect and it's completely natural, non-toxic and it works. It works. I love it. It's pretty much the only lip gloss I use now. Yeah. That's great. I mean, we both, I have it right now. Link below, but we just want, we just want you to be empowered to make the best decision for your future, for your life, for your family, for your finances, all those things, because makeup, it gets into your eyes. It gets into your mouth. Like it's so, I mean, it's crazy how susceptible we are when we're putting those things directly on our face and wearing it all day long. Oh yeah.

It seeps through our pores. People don't realize like by the end of the day, you know, when you get home and you pretty much like your, it feels like your makeup has dissolved into your face. It has, it seeps into your pores, goes into your bloodstream completely. So you're not just putting it on your face and then washing it off at night with, without getting exposed to it at all. You know, it's. Yeah. And the other thing that I just kind of want to touch on, cause I haven't touched on this yet, but it's, it's important. So I should have said this when you're, we were starting and you're asking me about what the regulations are. So there was this in 1967, there was this fair packaging and labeling act instilled the United States. And what it allowed companies to do is have what's called trade secrets. So they could hide a certain amount of their formulation

under the term fragrance or flavor, right? So that means that the company can withhold that information, not tell us, not put it on the label even what that product is. And instead they put it under the term fragrance or flavor. So this Dior perfume, good example, the Dior Maximizer Lip Plumper, it has fragrance as an ingredient in the lip gloss. So that means that they're hiding something in there. Maybe they want it to smell good. Maybe that's it. Or maybe there's some aspects of the formulations better if it has this ingredient that's a known toxin that people are starting to recognize so they can hide it under the term fragrance. So that's the reason why fragrance is bad in beauty. It's not because fragrance is inherently bad because it's not.

There are essential oils. There are transparent brands that have fragrance where they tell you where it comes from and it's not toxic. Yes. That's a really thing, important thing to note. And if you want to learn more about this, you can listen to my episode with branch basics, but fragrances are really tricky because, um, if we're just talking about essential oils and the company, if they are, here's the thing, guys, if the company is proud of their ingredients, they will proudly label every single thing that's in there and they won't try to hide it under certain things. So when you see, for example, if, if it's like a lavender scented thing, and then you look on the back, if it's lavender essential oil or like, you know, pure lavender extract or whatever they want to call it, if that extent, then, you know, it's good. But if it says lavender fragrance, chances

are it's probably some form of synthetic fragrance and, or like you said, a combination of ingredients that they don't want to state. And that's a problem because these fragrances are carcinogenic. They can cause him hormonal and you know, endocrine disruption, all the worst things. Just let your mind go there because they're hiding it for a reason. Yep. And if it says, yeah, like lavender Esther or like a weird poly of lavender, look that up. Chemicals aren't necessarily bad, but there are bad chemicals. Exactly. Great point. Just this practicing and labeling act has still been around. No one has changed it. Really,

I will say most of the dupes I do, fragrance is the reason why it's a red flag. That means it's a three bell alarm red flag because we have no idea what's in it. Yeah. That's scary. And that's scary. It's really scary. And that should also make you mad. It makes me mad. We're obviously mad. This whole episode, we're just like, I'm like, I'm gonna need a glass of wine after this. But it should make you mad too, because ultimately what that company is telling you is that they don't really care about your health enough to clean up their ingredients and they don't want you to know what's in it. They want to hide things from you. And you know why? Why? Because it's way cheaper to use shit ingredients and things that they've like used for, you know, however many years since the sixties that work, you know, emollients or phthalates, which help bind and also give shelf stability.

So they're trying to make money. They don't care about you. They just care about the bottom line and that's all. Yeah, it's true. They want that product to last longer on the shelf so that they can sell more. And yeah. And you know, another thing too, I will say this cause I like to point this out. I don't believe that any of these companies set out inherently to do bad things, but what's happening is that now that we know that these are bad for us, the thing that makes them horrible is that they're not doing anything to change it. So I think it started out with good intention, but now as the studies have

come out, the science has come out and that there's no sort of regulation on it. These companies are not being forced to change and they don't want to, because like you said, they're, they care about their money. And most of these companies are all owned by the same conglomerates. And if any of you listening have ever worked a corporate job, you know it's impossible to get anything accomplished because the checks and balances and chain of command and who you're answering to. So who's surprised? I mean, I'm not. I'm not at all. It's just, it's frustrating because you know, we got to change

it, but we change it by educating. So now like now that you're informed, then you can start making better choices and we put money back into the pockets of the brands that are doing good things. So let's talk about that. You've, you've mentioned them a couple of times. I really want you to tell us some of your favorite dupes. So Celeste has talked about this a little bit, but she has this series on her Instagram and her Tik TOK where she calls out really popular items. So for example, that was it a Mac lip gloss that you said? It was the Dior lip maximizer plumping gloss. I mean, that's how out of touch I am. I'm like, I've never even heard of it. Yeah. I have to like, I have to research and look up like top

plumping gloss. And I'm like, Oh yeah, they sell that at Sephora. This is what everyone's buying. Okay. Everyone loves it. Yeah. I'm like, I forgot. But yeah. So she basically takes those cult favorites and she gives you a better non-toxic option that works maybe not even as good, but even better as them, which is really cool.

So let's talk about some of them. So there's the PYT and also, sorry, really fast. We will link all of these. So if you're listening and you're driving, don't worry. You can find them on the show. One of my absolute favorites is so crazy. It's the, so La Mer, the La Mer cream, it's $330 or $350. And that is such crap. It's such crap. And the ingredients, they do have some interesting preservatives that I wouldn't say are non-toxic. I would never use the product because it's not super clean, but it does what they call, they call their C mineral broth, right? It's like an algae formulation, which is going to hydrate and moisturize the skin. There's a beautiful brand called Osea. I love them, which

is amazing. And they also do almost all of their products with algae and they have an atmosphere protection cream that is under $50 that has very similar ingredients when I broke it down and function to the La Mer cream. Oh, that's cool. Okay. So I actually have that cream, but I kind of, I'm realizing right now, I forgot that I had it. What would you recommend that people use it for? Is that like a night thing or you put it on the morning for makeup? The nice thing is you can use it a.m. and p.m. as a moisturizing step. And it's great for all skin types. If you have dry skin, also if you're acne prone, it's really safe.

But what it's doing is it has antioxidants to help protect your skin from sun, the elements, everything like that. It's kind of like what it's known for. Plus just giving you that juicy hydration that you would find in the La Mer. Oh, which we love and talk about an amazing price point under $50 versus 300. Yeah. Right. Use up that La Mer guys and then get the Osea. Yeah. Osea. Osea. I think it's Osea. I think I've seen it spelled phonetically. Osea. Yeah. Okay. That sounds, yeah, that sounds right. So that one is a favorite. Another one that I've really enjoyed lately is the Laura Mercier setting powder. Oh, that's a favorite. It was shockingly terrible. It was like

nine out of 10 dirty on think 30 or eight out of 10 dirty. It has talc in it, which is a known carcinogen and you're inhaling it when you put it on your face with a big powder brush. Wow. And talc is the one that was in Johnson & Johnson's baby powder, right? That they linked directly to cancer. So that one, and instead the Juice Beauty translucent powder is at least $10 cheaper for the same amount. It has the exact same function. It's a very light, great setting powder. I use it every day, like under my eyes to set my concealer

so I don't get little lines. And that was such a great one. I really, really love that one. I'm going to buy that. Get that. I'm getting influenced. Yeah. Right. I mean, so many good things. Oh, another one that I love. If you pretty much are into any full lash, like long, thick lash, I do a lot of Dior dupes because Dior is just, they have a lot of cult following products. Yeah, they do. So their Dior show mascara, which is volume and length. I love to dupe with the honest beauty mascara. Oh, nice. I haven't tried that one. It's better than Ilia. Is it? Because I was just going to say Ilia is my favorite. Yeah, that one's good. But the Honest is more of a bold lash versus Ilia is more of like a natural lash. Okay. I love a bold lash. Yeah. Your lashes are popping. So the Honest one is great because it has a primer end and then the

mascara ends. You get just these really voluminous lashes and you can get it at Target. You can prime it. It's really affordable. That's amazing. Everyone, go get it. See, I love this because you can still go to Target. You can still get your stuff online on like Amazon and most of the time cheaper. Have you found that most of the natural and non-toxic skincare,

sorry, well, skincare included, but the specifically the makeup, is it usually cheaper? It depends. If we're talking about like the Dior's Chanel's Lancome's of the world, it usually is. Yeah. If we're talking about that, what do you call it? It's like department store. Okay. Yeah. It's usually comparable or less, but I will say there's a few non-toxic brands like Westman Atelier and there's a few more high-end ones that are popping up that are a little more expensive, but as a whole in the category, not drugstore cheap, but cheaper than a lot of the Sephora and or department store brands. That's amazing. That's crazy. Another reason why you should switch. Like, you know, I know. Cause if we're already spending the money.

Yeah. I mean that, and then I'll just finish with one more that is really great. So I know we talked a lot about fragrance and how fragrance is bad. Yes. The ingredient fragrance is bad, but that doesn't mean we can't have fragrances like perfume because there are fragrances that have, like we said, really great ingredients, really ethically sourced essential oils and different things. I'm not really well versed in the making of fragrances. I don't know what other compounds they usually use, but there are brands that are transparent and offer high quality fragrance. One that I absolutely love is a dupe for Le Labo Santal, which I used to use. Oh, I love Le Labo. I'm not going to lie. I love it too. And I wanted to love them after doing this research, but I went on their website and they are the least transparent brand I've ever seen. They don't share any ingredient details.

They won't tell you what's in their product. They may highlight one thing when you go into the store. They're like, it's this rose. If you were non-toxic, you would tell us. Yeah. You're not telling us anything. So I can't trust you. Plus who owns that brand now? I would be very interested to know. I'm sure they were bought. I would not be surprised if they were bought out by someone big. I'm surprised that it's not public information. It might be. Yeah. We should look it up, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were bought out too. Yeah. So I found this brand called Abbott NYC and they are amazing. They're all conscious and ethically sourced. High quality ingredients are all unisex sense. So if you love

that sandalwood kind of vibe of Santal, I found a direct dupe for it. And they give back at least, I think three, three to 5%. I think it depends, but I'm not sure exactly the percentage, but they give back to a national park. That's kind of inspired. The fragrance was inspired by with every purchase. That's so cool. And it's recyclable, like everything. It smells delicious. It has staying power. It's like, why would you spend? Plus it's way cheaper. Cental is so expensive. This one's like half the price. Oh my God. Again, it's at that price point. It's really, yeah, that's frustrating. I have another question for you. Is there a nail polish that you found that you like? A brand? Yes. I actually just did this dupe this week. And so you called it out and I'm wearing it. And I will say. Oh, it's so pretty. So I've been using, I had one nail that kind of

chipped because it was the one I messed up. You know, the one nail you mess up right when you paint it. There's always one. No. But I've had this on for four days now. And when you paint your own nails, I mean, four days of a polish is pretty damn good. That's good. Looks really good. Wish you guys could see it. They look beautiful. And this brand of polish is called Spa Ritual. Okay. And the thing about it is OPI and Essie are what they call three free. So they're free of the three most toxic ingredients.

This polish is 12 free. Wow. That's a huge difference. Free of the 12 most toxic ingredients. So you're left with actually like clean ingredients. Plus they have 60 shades. You can get it on Amazon. It's not expensive. 60 shades. That's amazing. See, that's the thing. Like when you start making the switches, you're not going to be deprived of colors and shades and options. It's just pivoting and finding new brands that you love,

you know, cause there's definitely a ton of options out there. There's also another thing I wanted to say for, let's say there's women listening that are like my mom's age that have been using the La Mer's or whatever it is for years. And they love the high end and they want the really beautiful branded stuff. And, um, cause you know, let's be real. I even love an aesthetic. I want something that will be beautiful on my countertop. I just want to reiterate, and you're better at talking about this. I'll let you take this over, but I want to reiterate that this doesn't mean that you're buying like brands from whole foods and you're going to hide everything in this, you know, in the skincare cabinet, there's a beautiful high quality,

wonderful options. Stunning. I mean, one, I really want to highlight one brand, St. Jane Beauty. Oh, they're branding. It's so chic. I mean, it's monochrome, you know, white packaging boxes. And it has a gold emblem on it. And then they have a black bottle that's so beautiful. I've even like refilled their body serum pump with other body oil because I'm like, this is the chicest bottle, but they're catching up. They're catching up with

the formulations. They're catching up with the aesthetic. There is a non-toxic version of what you're using that is just as beautiful. And if your mom's bougie like that, go on to Credo, see what her vibe is, buy her something for Christmas. She'll love it. Yeah. That's a great idea. I love that. Oh, this has been so fun. I feel like I could talk about this forever. We're like, oh my God, guess what? Oh, we need to tell everyone about this. This is so messed up. So thank you for listening to our rant. This is our Ted talk. We hope you enjoy. But really, it was, it was just really nice to be able to share these frustrations because I have a feeling you're going to be just as frustrated as we are. Yeah, I know. But that was such a good point. I feel like this was

everyone listening as is like a fly on the wall for our hikes. Celeste and I do these hikes a couple of days a week and we are just, I mean, these are kind of what our conversations are that we're having on our hikes. So it's nice to tune, let you tune in, you know? Yes, it was so nice. And obviously, you know, if there's products that you want me to do, I always take requests. Those are my favorite ones to do. So just DM me what dupes you want. I love to do the research and test things. And I have such a privilege to be able to reach out to brands because I do this and I have proof that people really find value in them. They'll send me stuff to test to make sure it's worth your money. So then you don't have to waste your money looking for dupes. I love that so much. Well, for everyone

listening, where can they find you so that they can send you their dupes? Yeah, you can find me at Celeste Thomas on Instagram, at Celeste Thomas on TikTok, Celeste Thomas on YouTube, all the places. Yeah, and we'll link all those as well. And she just came out with a meal prep guide, which is really bomb. Some really amazing recipes. So definitely check that out on her website. Yes, if you're looking, if you're over cooking and trying to figure out every single meal in this quarantine pandemic, like all of us are, I created this resource to help you just achieve

your skincare goals, save money, save time, and just feel good. So I did meal prep ebook course, very easy, very affordable. You'll love it. Yeah. You'll love it. Well, thanks so much for coming on. Thanks for having me. I feel like just, just two girls hanging out. Yeah. We should just bring mics with us on our hikes. Drake would love that. The sound quality. Oh, thanks girl. This is a resident media production produced by Drake Peterson and mixed by Chris McCone. The song is by Georgie. As always, please don't forget to rate and review the podcast. It really helps me in this show a lot. See you next week. Bye. I know. Cause I always see him, see him, checking me out. All it takes to know is to kiss him.

And make me dance, dance, like this guy. So if he doesn't like me, at least I know I got my hand. All this time, I won't be wasted anymore. He won't be the choice to fight me. All this time, I won't be wasted anymore. Bye. Thank you. Bye. you you you