Realfoodology - Can You Actually Slow Aging? NAD, Longevity, and Healthspan Explained | Baran Dilaver

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

285: In this episode, I’m joined by Baran Dilaver, cofounder of Wonderfeel Biosciences, to break down one of the most important molecules for aging and longevity: NAD. We talk about what NAD actually is, why it declines as we age, and how that impacts everything from energy and cognition to skin health and sleep. Baran explains the difference between healthspan and longevity, how to spot low-quality or fake NAD supplements, and why going back to nature - not pharmaceuticals - is key for long-term health. We also cover diet, exercise, sleep, Blue Zones, and simple lifestyle shifts that can help you age better, not just longer. Topics Discussed: → What is NAD and why does it decline as we age? → How do NAD supplements support longevity and healthspan? → What’s the difference between healthspan and longevity? → How can you avoid fake NAD products? → Can boosting NAD levels improve energy, cognition, and skin as you age? Sponsored By: → Wonderfeel Subscribe and save $15 Timestamps:  → 00:00 - Introduction  → 01:59 - NAD + Healthspan   → 14:20 - Nature Over Pharma   → 20:50 - Vetting Wonderfeel  → 26:16 - Anti-Aging Benefits  → 31:25 - Supplements vs. Pharmaceutical Drugs  → 35:54 - Longevity: Myths, Best Practices & Fertility  → 45:30 - NAD & NMN: Studies, Research + Dosage   → 51:07 - Longevity Routine + When to Start NAD  Show Links: → Subscribe and save $15 at ⁠getwonderfeel.com⁠ Check Out: → Baran Dilaver | Instagram  → Wonderfeel | Instagram  Check Out Courtney:  →  LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE →  Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! →  @realfoodology →  www.realfoodology.com →  My Immune Supplement by 2x4 →  Air Dr Air Purifier →  AquaTru Water Filter →  EWG Tap Water Database Produced By: Drake Peterson

NAD is so important, it's so centered to biology that without it, you'll be dead in 10 seconds. Wow. As you start getting older, the NED production starts declining. That would be like one year, the apple orchards might not give as many apples. And they will be like your organs. Like, maybe your liver is not processed and alcohol that well, so you cannot recover from having those two glasses of wine.

If boosting NAD turns back the clock in your cells, will people literally see fewer wrinkles on their skin? Some people say that. The aging spots, older people have age spots. Yeah. They do report that their age spots are securing. All the studies show that exercise is magical. It doesn't have to be crazy.

You don't have to be Iron Man, but it's moving around even. It's a big difference. Welcome back to the Real Foodology podcast today. I'm joined by Baran DeLauver, the entrepreneur and innovator behind Wonderfeel, a health span-focused bioscience company advancing the science of healthy aging. We dive into the critical role. of NAD, the molecule that fuels our cellular energy and how its natural decline with age shapes the difference between simply living longer and expanding our health span.

Baran breaks down why NAD precursors like NMN matter, how WonderFiel combines NMN with powerful antioxidants to support DNA repair and cellular resilience, and what the research is showing when it comes to energy, cognition, skin health, inflammation, and more. We also explore the foundations of health that matter most, the future of nutraceuticals and how WonderFiel is making high integrity clinically backed supplements more accessible. Thank you so much for listening. If you love this episode and if you're loving the podcast, please take a moment to rate and review.

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I'm a huge fan of this product. Well, first of all, thank you so much. for coming on today. I'm so excited to have you. Thanks for having me. I'm a big fan of what you do on the food world with the politicians. Well, I love what you're doing with this product. And we were talking a little bit before we started filming. There's so much information about NAD.

And I think a lot of people are confused or maybe getting it wrong. So what were you just telling me about NAD? Yes, there's a lot more hype for a good reason. But then, yeah, there's a lot of confusion about NAD and NMN, but the NAD itself. So the way I kind of explain to people is with an analogy. So think about NAD as the water source that feeds a valley. Like think about a river going through a valley. There are small towns, there are orchards, there are farms,

people are fishing in that river, people are using for transportation. So it's essential to the life in that valley. So NAD is so important, it's so centered to the biology, that without it, you'll be dead in 10 seconds. Wow. It also takes place in 500 enzymatic processes, but 70% of it goes into energy production inside the mitochondria. So those are very technical terms, but people understand that, oh, so it feeds the water is used for the orchards. And what really happens is you start getting older, the NED production, the level of NAD you have starts declining. And in our knowledge, that would be a lot of,

like one year the apple orchards might not give as many apples. The other year, maybe the strawberry fields are not producing as many strawberries, and they will be like your organs. Maybe your liver is not processed and alcohol that well, so you cannot recover from having those two glasses of wine. Or maybe your brain is not functioning as fast as quick as is used to. So as the years pass, past, pass by, in our analogy, the water might get more pollutants

and all of a sudden there's less fish. So that is the reason that, you know, most people have a different experience when they start raising their NAD levels because everybody is different. Somebody who's really healthy in our valley analogy, probably everything comes down proportionally. So they don't probably recognize that, you know,

they have a little less apples that year, a little less strawberries because everything is balanced. But if the entire orchid goes out or you have all sort of no fish, you realize that there's something quite wrong that needs to be fixed. And we were talking earlier about, I kept saying longevity, and you said, I actually like the term health span. And I've talked about this before in the podcast, but can you explain again what the difference is between them and while you're more focused on health span than you are specifically on longevity? Yeah, so longevity is a wonderful field and there's a lot of research going on. And the goal in the longevity space, especially the ones that excite me, the long-tiv biotech space, is to extend lifespan dramatically.

So right now, the ceiling is like 115, 118, everybody has lived to 130, 140. And also, you know, most people's eye, like, you know, in their 80s, 70s, 80s. So how can we make dramatic increases in those or average lifespan? I mean, in the last century, it went from like 50 to hundreds. That's pretty wild. That was a pretty big jump. There's a pretty big jump. Although what's really fascinating to me right now and concerning is that, you know,

so many people talk about modern medicine and we actually are living longer lives, but it's actually recently starting to decline. And not only that, so I don't think people are fully understanding yet that it's actually starting to decline and we're starting to go backwards right now. But on top of that, when you look at the quality, of life, which is why I really like health span, because, you know, it's one thing to say, oh, my grandpa lived till he was 95, but if he was in a wheelchair for the last 10 years of his life, because he really didn't take care of his body, is that really a life worth living that you want

to live? And that's the health span that we would like to improve. So when I live healthier, if we don't live longer. Exactly. We want to be as mobile as we possibly can. I use this all the time. I talk about this example. My parents are in their 70s, and they're so.

still skiing, they're still hiking, they're very active. And I'm so excited about that because I want my parents to be around for my grandkids and I want them enough energy to do all that. And I'm very happy that they're not losing that mobility and they're on, you know, 10 prescription drugs. And unfortunately, we are seeing that in our older generations now. I mean, most of them are on average about 10 prescription drugs. It's really concerning. Okay, so health span. From that perspective, Why do you really like NAD and what is Inimin? Okay. For health span, yeah, the goal is to live healthier for longer.

Because with age comes diseases, like Alzheimer's, art diseases, diabetes, it's all is relevant to one reason or another, something to do with age. You don't get Alzheimer's in your 20s. You don't get, you know, diabetes comes usually a little bit later. So as we explain, an AD is so essential to the biology. So what we have seen in the last five to ten years is a lot more studies showing that raising the NAD levels helps the body to cope better and slow down aging. So if we can push those diseases coming on, we're in a good shape. Yes, yeah.

We talked about confusion about NAD. Well, first of all, yeah, why is it important and why do people experience different benefits by raising their NAD levels? But there's a lot more of the confusion. Number one is, like, you can't really take NAD. NAD has been known since 1906, but only recently we have discovered that you can take precursors, building blocks, that your body creates in buildings also every day. NAD is something your body creates millions every day. Yeah.

But it's created inside the cell. So how do you, if you take NAD, the second, it does not go inside the cell. The NAD is very precious for the cell. So the cell membrane doesn't slip out. And the same cell membrane doesn't also let NAD in. So that's where NMN and NR come to play. NMNMN is difficult to my atomony nucleotides,

and NR is liquid to my riboside. So they, like NR turns into NMN most of the time. And NMN, there's a specific receptor outside of the cell that crowds in a cell, flips it inside, and there it turns into NAD. Okay, so it allows it to actually get through to the cells. And you've mentioned a lot of people are taking oral NAD. I've also seen a lot of people do patches,

and then I know a lot of people that do injections and IVs. Would that be a different delivery mechanism for NAD or is it still the same that it won't cross over the cell? So that's very interesting. People do IV's injections. I've heard the IVs vary in full though. Some people do report pain.

Yeah. There hasn't been almost any clinical studies on those. So but some people report some benefits. And so the interesting part about that is, is you're flooding your system with an AD. So that's not how your body usually makes an AD. So you're flooding high amounts of NAD. And from, that's not my theory,

the chief medical officer of the Dr. Sosmum theory is, potentially the body figures out some way to turn some of that NAT to 12 to 10 and then to bring it inside the cell, because your body is smarter than most of the time. And as magical ways to cope with excess amounts of getting, things. Or there is, yes, some of it probably gets in because you flood your system so much. It would be nice to see some studies showing like how the AD levels, what it matters and tissue and cells go up.

But it's a difficult process. You have to go to a specific place. You have to the nurse practitioner. I have to get a needle inside you. Yeah. And there's not a lot of evidence. So, but some people report benefits. So I'm curious to hear. I'm curious about that too. I've always avoided the NAD IVs because I've heard of the painful aspect of it. And also, there are pain. Oftentimes you have to sit there for, you know, five hours because they have to push it in so slow. Right. Right. And I also, too, I mean, this is a little bit off topic, but I just saw a recent study, but they found that we're getting a lot of microplastics in her blood from IVs. I don't say that to scare people from getting IVs because if you need a life-saving IV, of course, do it. But I'm kind of at this point right now where I'm feeling like, okay, I kind of want to save the IVs for, you know, God,

forbid there was an emergency and maybe do all of my nutraceuticals in a different way because of that concerned by these. Taking this poorly is very safe. It was proven. It's easier. Yeah, exactly. It's so much easier. I can just take this at home. I don't have to go get a nurse practitioner or have to do injections myself. So tell me, is an MN really worth the height? I think it's going to become much more common. Yeah. It's very different than your like antioxidants in polyphenols. You know, there's again, Lensheny, like there's your Lithu, there's a, there's Koki time. There's all these beneficial compounds out there. But this is so essential to the body that I think we're going to see more and more studies. We're going to see more and more people taking it, adopting it. We already

have phenomenal feedback from customers. And some of them really surprise us. Going back to my Dalianology, oh, like, there's person in that valley. We didn't know. There's some, some benefits that we don't expect it to. We hear, and then later some study or some sort of a trial explains it besides making sense. Are you able to share any of the customer feedback you've gotten? And of course, you can say it's anecdotal and you can't make any claims, but are there certain things that have really shocked you that customers have said they'd experience? There are some funny ones. There's some expected ones. Yeah.

Like people's energy is good, but they have more energy, but it's more sustained energy. It's not like that they take it. They feel more energetic. But after two weeks, they're like, I have more energy. I wake up, like, you know, quicker and the recovery from alcohol, et cetera.

But the funny ones, so my wife, she started taking it before anybody else during COVID. And then, you know, She doesn't usually put much makeup on anyways, but we are going to a Christmas party, and she said, well, and just put some makeup on. And she's like, wait, I have full-grown eyelashes. She has.

Because a woman in their 40s, 50s, they start losing their eyebrows or eyelashes. So she plus most of her eyelashes, that I didn't necessarily recognize. Yeah. But, yeah, she was stunned. So people will tell us, like, oh, my white hair is going like this original color. This is like after a year, like, fascinating is like, oh, really? Is that because of our product? And we also have a formula that's not just an event.

Yeah. And we have quite a few different occasions, very nice just versus an MN. This is the one that has those more interesting results, like to both eczema also. Exxymia is a very difficult heart in a needle disease, and they try all kinds of steroids, like they try it and after a while it starts working. So this has been consistent by people who come back and say, wow, I don't use anything. So I have to be very careful. I've told those stories.

Yeah. So we are doing a clinical trial on eczema specifically with all formula, so because we tried just giving it an amount and there's another phenomenal ingredient in there. Comes from mushrooms. Very good finding the battle of this week about. Let's talk about it. What is it? Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. One of the most beneficial ingredients are active elements of mushrooms, mostly like porcini, liais, maas, Corrice's, it's kind of expensive, hard-to-find mushrooms. And the way we came across it was about 15 years ago, one of our friend's mother, suffering from Alzheimer's, to the case of Alzheimer's, and they were looking for alternate ways to halt her case.

And one professor recommended them to feed her a bunch of poachini omens in the morning, and sure enough, she'll behave really well. at the issue will be very much better, shame, function better. Why is this? Because I will go to finding. So what is this about finding? It turns out that actually it's been very interesting

by a very, very small group of scientists, Missy, Brachby's sign, Professor Broussaint-Beltsin. So not many people know about it, but Andrews was also in the law, so that got super interested. And then we started doing research, and it turns out that it's prevalent in mother's milk, Babies are a receptor for it.

We all are a receptor for it. So a baby who's one-year-old baby clearly benefits from it. Somebody who has got Alzheimer's FDH of 85 benefit in formance. So it's a wide range. And then, you know, we ended up actually talking to the Nobel Prize nominee in 2021 for his work on anti-oxies in vitamins. So it was in his 80s and he was so happy to hear from us. He's like, all this work brought me to refining this Zuna.

Alzheimer's clinical trial and the preliminary reports actually just results got reported and it's very promising and now what we learned from him is it's an adoptive antioxidants so it collects in the body for up to 30 days where there's tissue damage so there's umma antics don't like that but you cannot produce it yet to get it from your food source and the theory is that our food supply has changed so much to the agricultural practices has changed so much that now there's only much mushrooms left that has this greatly beneficial compounds. So with that one professor, he really wants us to put it back into the agricultural practice or something, you know, what this idea was.

Yeah, I wonder how you would do that. And I wonder where we were finding it in other places. Do you know? Some vegetables, I forgot what they are, like it, but it's not enough. It's a small amount. If you take mushrooms, like if you eat a good chunk of mushrooms, then you get to, according to our Hispanic. enough earth worth. It's very interesting, this fascinating. When we started, it was so expensive tip was 100,000 miles a kilo. Wow. So we had to be very precise about the amount to put in there,

right? Like, what is the right to make? That's so cool. You said something that I just, I clocked, that I find really fascinating, and it's a little bit off topic, but I just think it's so cool that we keep finding these different components in nature, plants, plants, fuel, and herbs and stuff. where our bodies have receptors for them. And I was just thinking about, we have this whole cannabinoid receptor system as well that responds to cannabis, which is also a plant being grown on the earth.

And then now we also have this receptor system for these mushrooms. And it makes me wonder what other receptors we have for specific plants that we're finding in the environment. That's really cool. It'll be fascinating to see what other things we find. Right. Yeah.

It's just that it comes back to that notion of, you know, you and I were talking about, briefly about pharmaceuticals, and I have a question to ask you about that in a second, but something that's always really fascinated me about medicine in general is that most pharmaceutical drugs actually start from an herb or a plant or something that we find in nature, and then they usually mimic it or they mess with it a little bit. And it just, it comes back to a largely lot of my message is that we're getting so far away from nature, that we're getting sicker and more depressed.

and it just, when we start seeing all this science that's connecting us back to nature and all these plants and herbs and things that we need that are actually providing what our body needs, it just makes me so excited and it makes me feel like we're really on to something. And I'm like, yes, let's keep digging down those rabbit holes instead of doing these synthetic things because there really is a lot of, there's a lot of science and research behind it and things that can actually really help us and they don't have to have so much harm in our body. Yeah, I mean, pharmacists have that place, right? Yeah, absolutely.

So it's less. But it's very difficult, or no pharmaceutical company right now is interested in doing research or something readily available in a mushroom. Yeah, they cannot patent it. Well, that's the problem. That's the problem. So that's why I think there's going to be a new way of the variable to be able to bring these natural compounds back into also pharmaceuticals, not the way of the fine industry

does right now. Yeah. But hopefully there's a different way to be able to bring these back into the system. Well, and you were talking about there's a way that your company wants to do this, where you can actually get into the medical system where doctors can start rescribing them. Can you explain that? Is that that those really cool concept? Yes.

Well, the challenge is the medical field, most doctors actually, they will not prescribe something that has not been gone through the process and has become a pharmaceutical. Yeah. But then the challenge we are talking about is, there's all these beneficial foods and natural ingredients, nobody is going to put hundreds of tens of tens of 20s of millions of dollars behind them. And because they cannot patent them.

So somebody else can just sell it quite nice on it, like a fraction of the cost. But I do think there is a way in between this. So our goal is to be able to, because the product does help some medical conditions and we see it. And then how do we convince doctors to, to get behind it as you need to go through the phases and make it also a prescription drug. Yeah. But to, you know, to maximize profits is not the goal there. The goal is to make it more

accessible. If you make a good product, it will end up being used to give us enough support to run our business. We do only do. Yeah, exactly. We can do that. So there are different ways that we're exploring to be able to bring these natural compounds into the pharmaceutical space. We've done a lot of research, not a lot to show for it yet, but I think we're getting very close. Is there a concern about fake M&M products or NAD products on the market? Like, for example, Amazon, and I'm always very fine from Amazon. So what are your thoughts on that and also how can consumers navigate that and know that they're getting?

I mean, obviously they should just be buying Wonderfield, but just maybe in general about supplements, how do they know? Yeah, I have the same concern. And unfortunately, a lot of the brands out there, they don't have. handful of the claim they have in their products with gestricier. You know, they might have sorts of the amount of whatever ingredient they claim to have. What about toxins? They've done a good job.

Is it like, where does it come from? Does it come from a chemical facility from overseas? Does it come from a clean pharmaceutical or GNP facility? So unfortunately, unfortunately, that's the beauty of this country. The consumer needs to do some of the homework. I recommend them to really look for third-party certified certifications, and ideally the certification as a QR code where you can go to the code and see where the certification comes from the lab.

Yeah. I mean, still have it on their website, ideally. And do you all do third-party testing? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Because I always tell people to look for companies that are actually doing third-party testing, and even better if they're posting their service. COAs, just look for companies that are as transparent as possible.

And personally, I always say, I don't ever buy supplements off Amazon unless if it's the store from the company. You have to sometimes do a little bit of digging. But if you know that it's being sent from the company itself, then I'm okay with buying it. But otherwise, if you're just buying random brains on Amazon, I don't trust it. We've seen a lot of guys having very poor products on Amazon. Yeah. Because they don't regulate it.

Well, and I've been hearing that there's a lot of fake NAD products out there where some company will send it to a lab or just some person will send it to a lab and test it. And most of it even have an AD in it or it has really small amounts. You're not supposed to have an NMN or NR is what you want in the product. Because NM.A.D doesn't get inside the cell, but most of them did not even have an MN or NR. And again, like I will question how clean the product is as well. So let's talk about there's some other nutraceuticals in Wonderfeel. And I want to know why you specifically picked all of these and how they all work symbiotically together, especially is it trans resveratol or is it resveratol?

I think it's transresveratol, right? Yes. That's in it's in varietral for its effect on mitochondria and also health span, which I need call them longevity, but just anti-aging benefits. I feel like it's really good for that. Yeah, misverteal is very interesting. It's been actually popular for a long time, and it became a little controversial along the longevity circles. Oh, really?

Yeah, yeah. What is that? Because some of the benefits that they were claimed, later studies could improve them. So there's one specific professor from Harvard. He was very big on this one. And some people don't like him as much. So they used that thing some of newer science to show that, you know, this science is not that trustworthy. Anyways, it's treated controversy, but it seems to be a very good confound.

And one one challenge that we have with Vesperaturel is always stability and via availability. So in our case, we don't use much of it. It's a smaller amount on the grounds, I believe, are serving. And what it does, it activates something called surgeons. So these are enzymes that are in charge of building tissue, repairing tissue, hospital, DNA repair. So they're very important. And one of the things that just came out, one study that just came out, I think respiratory can be connected to it.

It's not connected yet is they looked at people who are over 100 years old in Japan, They looked at their conduct their tissues, their blood composure, and see if there's anything unusual. And they found, sure enough, something unusual. And they thought that first, that could be a bad sign, you know, you're getting older, something's a whack. But then they discovered no action. Is there a certain type of T cells that fight their immune cells

that help with tissue repair, that help with beating, basically removing, cancer cells. Yeah. And they're removing senesin cells, which are the dead cells that are floating around. Yes, the zombie cells. The zombie cells. Yes.

So those cells, they definitely require an AD. They need an AD to be active and happy. But certain also work with those cells as well. So respiratory has this indirect way of helping different enzymes in the cell. Oh, that's really fascinating. healthy. Well, because I've heard, and again, we're making no claims here. I've just, I've heard of cancer patients going on trans-resveratrol, and I'm wondering if it's because of the effect that has OT cells. As far as from an aging perspective, I'm really curious to know. So if NAD,

if boosting NAD turns back the clock potentially in your cells, will people literally see fewer wrinkles on their skin? Some people say that. The aging spots. Okay. So older people have age spots. Yeah. Right? So they do import that their age spots is occurring. I would just, I would think that, especially for the aging spots, that makes a lot of sense to me because you think about with regeneration of the cells. And I would assume does NAD have an effect on regeneration of the cells?

You said that it gets rid of the senescent cells, the zombie cells. So I would assume that there's some sort of regeneration in there, correct? Well, it helps with DNA repair. Yeah. So DNA repair is key injuvenation. Yeah, for your cells to be optimal. need to be energy. Yeah.

I need mitochondria to be healthy. You need the cells to be healthy. And then your skin is constantly like you're exposed to damage, right? So you can go out. There's an observation. There's oxygen stress. There's uB lights. So how does your skin, how does your cells fight against stress?

So NDD is key in fighting that. What other signs of aging does NAD really combat? So is there a joy? Is there joy things that people see? Are there just overall mobility, a better feeling of energy? I've heard that NAD, a lot of people, when they supplement it really consistently, they feel really high energy. I will say an important one is cognition because your brain consumes incredible amounts of energy.

And as you age, like it becomes a simple energy issue that people's cognition is not as good, because their brain doesn't have enough energy. So you see some real big impact on certain people who suffer from cognitive issues. But even younger people, they get like this focus on clarity. That's obvious. So that's a big one. I don't want to get into the medical conditions, but with agglathione, there are some improvements on certain things.

like the neurodegenerative issues become less of an issue, I would say, with closest to the use. Yeah. So those are like main size of aging. They've done a small clinical trial and they've seen people's insulin sensitivity and got getting better. It's a long list, actually. It gets confusing sometimes. That's why I go back to my analogy, like, you know, the valley, the different orchards. So everybody could benefit potentially differently depending on what their specific.

issue is. Yeah. But the big ones, sleep has been a big one because all that people get, the heart that is for the street. So we get great reports on sleep. Yeah, it's a longest. Yeah, sleep. And well, an overall health span, so I think people are just probably seeing a better quality of life, because as their cells are working better, they're getting rid of those old cells, they don't serve their body anymore. It's repairing DNA. I would assume that it's also having some sort of effect on lydechondria. Have you done any studies on that? We have done a few studies on specifically inflammation markers. We have done specific studies on inflammation and see how NMN affects inflammation and how the combination affects inflammation.

And inflammation, especially chronic inflammation as well as the biggest problems and that causes of aging. Yeah. So we've seen greater improvements. So our challenge is to be able to mean this some of the clinic preclinical work that we've done has been very impressive numbers are so impressive that we're trying to repeat it but the repeats ones have not hit the same exact crazy high marks yet so that's what I need to do a lot of work hopefully you will be able to show though pretty soon but it's an important one right I've been able to bring inflammation down and that's where the story of cd 38 comes into play So that's an enzyme.

There's an inflammatory enzyme. There's an immune enzyme. Some of them is good, but as you age, also it goes into overdrive. A lot of it can come from in a leaky guts, but it's everywhere. As it goes up, it really consumes a lot of NAD, just shoes away NAT. So you want to bring down the CD-30 activity, and there has been some pharmaceuticals that they haven't been in the market, but people tried to come up with some pharmaceuticals.

But it turns out that these national compounds was virtual and hydroxyxylosol, for instance, from olive oil, olives. They actually work with reducing CV-38 activities of all national compounds. Oh, you know, I think I've heard of, okay, I think I've actually heard of that before, because I've heard of people taking olive oil and water

to get those numbers down. to produce information and stuff. You know, it's just so it's tough in the supplement world because you maybe seeing all these amazing things happening with your customers, but you're not allowed to make these claims. And I understand why that's there. But it just, it kind of becomes tough because when you compare to a pharmaceutical drug, for example, which, you know, you and I talked about this earlier,

I try my hardest to really avoid pharmaceutical drugs. And in fact, I'm 99% of time not any other, any pharmaceutical drugs. drugs because I would rather take natural compounds that I also know have been proven to work. But the problem is in order to be a pharmaceutical drug, you have to go through really extensive clinical studies and clinical trials, which is great. And I'm not opposed to that, but I'm just a lot of work to do it. And then also, they have to be able to patent it most of the time. And so in order to be able to patent something because you can't patent anything needed nature, they have to tweak it a little bit. And then it becomes farther away from nature.

Yeah. And so it makes it really tough for supplement companies. And I can imagine for someone in your position where you're like, I have this amazing product and I'm going to make all these claims because I'm seeing all this cool stuff, but I can't legally make all these claims because I don't, you know, so we need to have all the clinical trials in the pharmaceutical backing in order to actually make those claims. For such a long process, you have to go through the clinical phases, the safety. Safety is usually the easiest part because of these having around. Yeah. But then the efficacy, and then once you get through all the phases, then you get approval of a certain. I mean, that's a pharmaceutical. It's actually one interesting fact that I didn't know about it. That's not where I come from.

Turns out that what a pharmaceuticals are not super effective. I'm not shocked by that at all. But, you know, it's effective enough that it cures for treats diseases. And again, you know, they come really handy and difficult situations. Ours is, you know, we're not going after some really crazy, hard-taker medical conditions that left with the conditions.

Yeah. Because of the way there, FDA defines medical conditions, something simple becomes hard for us to be able to claim against. Yeah. But other companies have found ways to explain other product works and could get an understanding.

But it's a very expensive process and, you know, there's really no incentive for companies to do it because you can't take on patents, so it's difficult. I know. And this is where I really struggle with the pharmaceutical and medical system because the reason that I try to stay away from those pharmaceutical drugs is that in my experience, what I found is that these pharmaceutical drugs are not fully, I hate to use the word cure, but they're not fully getting rid of the problem. So what ends up happening is people are just on these pharmaceutical drugs for life.

And that's where I have the issue of it. And that's where it's a big moneymaker and it's a beautiful business. But when you think about somebody who's actually wanting to, you know, we've been talking this whole episode about longevity and lifespan and improving your quality of life, what you want to do is improve all those markers in your body so that you're not decrepit and, you know, hunched over and potentially in a wheelchair on a walker when you're in your 90s. Or be even younger. I mean, people are in their 60s now. Yeah, but I mean, I think you're talking also about the system like going into prescription solution first, right? You come from

the world of like food first. Like, you have good food. So I have some exercise. If you don't do those things right, we cannot fix you. They tell no matter how good a pill is, it will help to certainly agree. So whether there's prescription, pharmaceutical, neutral surgical, they're not sure of solution, their supplements. It's what it is actually. It's out.

Yes, that's very true. And that's such a great point. In order for something like Wonderfield to have the maximum amazing benefit in your body, it's also going to help having a good sleep regimen and drinking clean, filtered water and eating whole real foods and exercising and just making sure that you're already keeping your body in tip top shape and then adding something like this. I mean, you're going to be like super ran. So what is the biggest lie in the health span longevity

space that you're seeing right now? Biggest lie. Or myth or something that you're seeing and that you're just, it's making you so frustrated. I do like what biologists do. Like they out there, they have crazy claims. Some of them work, some of them don't work, like, red light therapies, ice baths, and turns up, I think ice baths for women is trickier than men. The temperatures are different. You shouldn't go out, you know, better. But, you know, science usually catches up with those people later, like people are out there experimenting, exploring new things, making claims, making crazy claims. So there is some risk that comes with it, but they're willing to take the risk.

So I guess the question is which one of them have jumped from, like the pioneers into mainstream that could be risky. So I would say maybe taking way too many supplements, fully pharmacy. We literally just have a line connection because I was going to say the exact same thing. Yeah. Because we're seeing the, I don't want to call him out,

but I'm going to lovingly call him not right now, like Brian Johnson's in the world, or even Dyspry, who's a friend of mine. But I've seen them take these handfuls and handfuls of supplements. And I was actually talking to a friend about this this morning. And I was explaining to her because she asked for you, what are your maybe top five, ten supplements that you really, that you love and that you consistently go back to and that you tell other people to take?

And actually, I was like, I love the longevity stuff. I'm super into like N-A-D, N-N-M. PC, phosphatidyl-coline is another one that I think is amazing. And the science brand, it is so cool for cleaning yourself. But there really are only a couple now because I was explaining to her, I have supplement fatigue. And I also don't think that we need to be taking so many. I think we need to find a couple things that really work on a deep cellular level, something like this, where it's really, really going to give you the maximum benefit.

And you don't need to be chasing all this other stuff. I think so. I mean, there's also the risk called Pulp Pharmacy. When it takes so many things. Yeah. We don't know how they're going to interact with each other. Trying to get most of them from food is ideal. And some people can't really get in food.

People always ask for you have vitamin D3 now, why don't you put vitamin K? Well, because you can get vitamin K really easily, whether they're available for food sources. It's a great point. And also, it's a good point of thinking about how they're interacting together because we don't have any sort of studies about that. And it horrifies me to see people take all these different supplements.

And I'm like, oh, it's too many. And also, it's hard on your liver. It must be right. I mean, they're taking a kind of thing. lift the supplements a day. I know. I don't know. I've always doing.

It seems it was a lot. So what would you say are maybe the top three things that will have the most benefit on longevity and lifespan? At the magic pill is what I hear is that just wise. Yeah. Stress, I believe, stress human connection. Those are the ones that keep popping out as like the ones which have the most impact on what you eat. if you need that process first as toxins your constant defeating yourself toxins but yeah extreme stress anxiety seems like it causes what a toxic reactions in the system in the body and you

keep seeing all the all the studies show that exercise is magical and it doesn't have to be crazy it doesn't have to be iron man but it's moving around you know and scientific difference I would also add on to that. So we studied this in my master's program in nutrition, and there was a study that was done where they actually found, now a lot of people get triggered when I talk about this, is it's a very fine line between this and an eating disorder. So I do want to be very clear, but they did find that maintaining a diet where you're not overfeeding and overeating a massive amount of calories all the time has a massive impact on the age. of yourselves. And it's about, to me, the way that I read that when I read that in school, I was like, wow, the way that I saw that is how can you maximize the benefits of the most nutrients out of your diet? So getting really good, high-quality protein, high-quality fats,

so that you get to a point where you're really satisfied and full. So I'm not saying you should be starving all day at all by no means. I've got my diet dialed down to a point where I don't really sack that much because I get really full and satisfied. And I'm not thinking about food all day and I've dialed it down at this point where I just eat really nutrient-dense food and I feel very satisfied and full and I don't feel deprived and I've found kind of this window of where like I just I'm not eating all day essentially is what I'm trying to say and I think over snacking, overeating, over-consumption of excess calories does have an effect aging your body and inflammation too. Absolutely. And so these things trigger each other. Like to help here you get, the health theory

you eat, so you kind of feel, you know, that you want to exercise more. Yeah. And like the sugar, this addiction, like the more sugar you have, it's not quite aides. So that's why your sugar made, right? So you have to figure out what kind of foods to eat to that not feel that sugar addiction. And sugar too. There's also in that study about how sugar causes glycation, which is

aging of your cells. And people that eat really high quantities and really high amounts of sugar, you can actually you can see the effects that they're aging down to their cells, but usually on their face and on their skin. That to me I find so fascinating. I always come back to this notion of food really is medicine. It just is.

It has all vitamins, minerals, nutrients, everything that we need for our bodies to survive. Yeah, it's really cool. Oh, I was going to ask you, too, about, I'm so curious that you know anything about if you've looked into this at all. But, you know, a lot of people are talking about blue zones right now. And there's a lot of different concepts around longevity where they say it's, you know, living in community and eating real food and walking everywhere and staying really mobile. I'm wondering if anyone has studied what they're going to be.

their NAD levels of like Bucons. Have you looked into that? The study I talked about, they looked at, you know, they didn't measure that NAD, but they looked at, you know, what's different in their cells. Yeah. Bloods. And what they saw was the T cells. Yeah.

So that's the first one that we can point our fingers to as far as the main biomarkers go. And, yeah, I mean, that's really relevant to your NAD levels too, like those T cells really need to, well. Okay. Okay, that's really fascinating. Someone should do a study and test and see what their NAD levels of like. Right. Making you can do that.

Right. I mean, it's not that easy to measure NAD levels. Like, you just measuring it in blood doesn't necessarily solve it. So it gives you the answer, like it's some sort of indication. Yeah. But, you know, what matters is that the tissue, tissue is. The measure is much harder to take tissue out. Oh.

And it's very stable. And he's not very stable. So it counts harder. Okay, so there's not actually a real biomarker. I wonder if there's any sort of biomarker that... You can measure MAD and glut, but that's not... But that's not going to tell you what your stores or...

No. Yeah. That doesn't... Yeah. Keep you the right answer. Okay, so I didn't think about it like that. That's really interesting. Okay, so, I mean, there has to be a connection.

I'm also curious. I know I mentioned to you before we started recording it, and maybe you don't know the answer to this, but I've been asking... So I've been having a lot of conversations on the podcast about health span, longevity, and mitochondrial function, something that I'm really focused on and curious about right now is fertility. Do you think there's any effect on fertility

and our ovaries and our eggs and, you know, the DNA in our eggs with NAD and NMN? Do you think it's having an effect on our fertility health? Absolutely. I forgot to even mention. We get great reports, and then there's some leading OBJI runs doctors they are recommending and they are also importing good results and it makes so much sense. Yeah. Because you know your osides, your eggs, they mitochondria is key into the quality of your eggs is dependent on the quality of your mitochondria, the quality of your overall health. So I think it's much more common now when you know

people who are trying to get pregnant they are put on so a much better diets and we're trying to get the mitochondria as optimal as possible. And an 18 plays a huge role because mitochondria uses a heating. Yeah. To create energy. Yeah, we were talking about this. I'm very excited to see where this goes because this is very new. In fact, I think about very new. I mean, I think about when my parents were having children, no one thought about, oh, you know, we need to do a cleanse and make sure that our DNA and our mitochondria is really clean and, you know, we get a detox and all this stuff. And now all my friends are doing this. I mean, my husband and I have been on this journey for the last year. We just got married in June. We just fed the last year completely

overhauling everything. You know, we got tests done. We wanted to make sure we didn't have any heavy metals and environmental toxins. And, you know, we've been doing some detoxes and taking certain things that are really good that they're scientifically backed for the mitochondria. And it makes, to me, it just makes so much sense. And what I would love to see is more studies being done on things like, you know, NEMN, NAD, urolithinease, something else I'm really excited about just because of the studies or the science behind how it's affecting my chondria. And in my head, I just think, you know, of course, common sense, it's going to, of course,

have some sort of effect on it. We just need to have the data in science to back it up. Well, I'm very excited that very soon the largest trial is coming on. Zed by a medium-middle spoon. We're part of a grant sponsor, and they were kind enough to invite us. I think they like what they contribute. So people, both male and females,

they're going to be taking in a matter, different doses. And the results are going to be public, good or bad, see if you be out there. So, I mean, there's a company, I think is for RNA, is the one there for two of the clinics. And they're the one's there, they're behind it. So I have taught them for their efforts.

That's really exciting. Well, I'm excited to see what comes with that. It'll be really cool. Do you have any other clinical studies that you want to do or maybe you have down the pipeline that you're excited about? We want to do so many. One of them I cannot talk about it, but it's a very basic little commission that most of us suffer.

So I can't wait to have a product. the side effect is longevity. If the pharmacy solution was the side effect? Yeah. ...or better health back. I mentioned we're looking into starting our clinical trial on the eczema. Yes. Because people are reporting really good results,

but we just don't know how long it saves, what like doses necessarily. If the first results are promising, you'll go further into us. I'm curious to see if this will have an effect. I'm going to have my husband start taking me. husband start taking this. He has had psoriasis for the last 10 years. And you've been on this journey for the last two years trying to figure out. And it's gotten way better. We've really gotten a handle on it. But we want to get it fully clear. And I'm wondering if this will have an effect on it. So I'll report back anecdotally, of course, but I'll report back what happens with that.

That'll be interesting to see. Is there anything else, let's see, that you really feel like people need to understand about NMN, NAD, maybe WonderFiel specifically. I think dosage is super important that people need to understand. Some of the earlier studies actually were even done with smaller doses, and some of the results were not impressive. So we think that's because of the dosage. But we know that the optimal dosage is super important. So ours has 900 bivograms of NMN.

So for it to work, we need to take, in our opinion, at least 600 per day. Okay. And so the range right now is 600 to 1200s. And some people are pushing, they take it more. Mostly, I mean, it's again something your body produces, so it seems to be super safe. We haven't seen any red flags so far. Yeah. So those, and she has just the claims, like there's people say that it was almost better,

sublinguals better, this is better, that's better. None of them is proven. Most likely that those products don't work out well because there are so many problems, potential problems. NMN, ours or somebody else is a good clean NMN, is proven to work. There are always questions about, well, people say NR is better, NMN is better. We don't see it as, you know, one side is much better than the other. They both work really well. So both NMNNN are effective and NAD precursors, but the rest of them are not really in AD precursors. So if people are trying to sell in

or some make other claims about some other ingredients, really being at an AD or improving and increasing in heavy levels, I would not buy those products. Okay, that's really good intel. And do you feel like we kind of talked about this, but I want to ask very specifically the different Nutri-Suitables that you put in there, are you really finding that those are what maximize the benefits of the NM? Well, so argothynine, we talked about you as virtual.

So they do have a specific function and some of them are not even known, right? They were selected that we didn't want to put too many things in there because these, we know that they work. Yeah. The clinical trials that are preclinical trials we are doing is also showing how logistic BTA work better on certain biomarkers, like especially information. And we're seeing the positive results. But conceptually also, these couple of them are the CD30 inhibitors. So think about if it's a top you're trying to fill the N-Ainteta. And your spigot is like putting less because you're aging,

but then there are big holes on the leasing. So you want to make sure that you plug those holes. So that's a couple of ingredients serve gradual as well, reducing the leakage, if you will. And then the aerothynum is a really fat of well active ingredients that would think. More and more studies are going to come out on ibuphthalene that, again, babies benefit.

from it and so people with Alzheimer's benefit from it and it's that so we see the benefits on shouting skin conditions really really fascinating well I'm curious to see if we see any benefits with the with psoriasis I want to know specifically what your longevity routine is if you have one or health span I should say what your health span routine is well eating healthy good thing I love to eat so eating fresh produce, some sort of exercise. So I prefer to do things that I love like snowboarding and kite surfing, but they're not always visually available.

So then not get on a bike or a quick one or the bands, the elastic bands. Oh, yeah. Exercise bands are practical. Love it. Yeah. Don't have to carry a whole bunch of weight around. And they're really easily packable too because I travel a lot. I feel like you probably do too.

Some supplements, yeah. So again, I've tried to take my supplements from food. So omega-3 is a tricky one. We all hear about, great things about omega-3, and I eat a lot of seafood usually. Yeah. So I sometimes take it, sometimes don't take it. I'm trying to sleep well.

Yeah. But the more you work out, the easier you sleep. But it's not always to, you know, spent a few hours, sky surfing, there's no boat. Yeah, exactly. I also love snowboarding. So you said that and I was like, yes, I love it. I love snowboarding.

Well, I got through all of my questions. This was really fascinating. Oh, I remembered my question I would ask you. Is there anyone that can't take in and a minute? I would assume you probably have not tested during pregnancy. So I would assume probably not during pregnancy. Do you know anything about breastfeeding while you're breastfeeding? We don't know.

Yeah. You don't know. I would say young people, they love to do. like it, but I don't think there's a need for it or it's not proven. So if you're in your 20s, I mean, like the Kardashians, they do, I think the IDIVs, and I think they started in their 20s. Yeah. I think it's too young.

So what we usually say is like, you know, start with your, like when once you're 30. Okay. You don't need to start before those. There's nothing to prove. There's no proof that it's going to help you when you're 18 years old. Well, I would assume. two years old, yeah. Yeah, I would assume that age your body probably has a lot of NAD.

You know, I don't know more. That's our assumption. Yeah. Okay, well, thank you so much for coming on and please, um, Erin, tell everyone where they can find you and where they can find Wonderfield. Well, thanks so much for having us. Thanks so much for listening to us and our stories and our goals. Yes, you can find them at www.

www. Wanderfield. That's where we are. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. This is fascinating. I'm sorry. Yeah.

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