Realfoodology - Environmental Toxins, Mystery Illnesses + My Personal Test Results | Dr. Kelly McCann

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

252: In this episode, I sit down with my own doctor, Dr. Kelly McCann, to go over some of my recent test results and the detox protocols I’m doing to prep my body for pregnancy. We talk about glyphosate, mold, and other environmental toxins—and most importantly, what you can actually do about them. Dr. McCann is a total expert in helping people uncover mystery illnesses, like MCAS and hidden infections, especially when conventional doctors come up short. If you’ve been feeling off and haven’t found answers yet, I hope this episode gives you some clarity, hope, and actionable steps to feel better. Topics Discussed:  What are the symptoms of glyphosate exposure and how can you detox from it? How do environmental toxins like mold and “forever chemicals” impact fertility and overall health? What is MCAS (Mast Cell Activation Syndrome) and how is it diagnosed and treated? What kind of functional medicine testing can uncover hidden infections or chronic illness? How can you reduce your toxic load at home and support your body’s natural detox pathways? Sponsored By: LMNT | Get your free Sample Pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at drinklmnt.com/realfoodology Our Place | Use code REALFOODOLOGY for 10% off at fromourplace.com/realfoodology Timeline | My friends at Timeline are offering 10% off, just for my listeners. Head to timeline.com/REALFOODOLOGYGUMMIES MANUKORA | Go to Manukora.com/REALFOODOLOGY to get $25 off the Starter Kit, which comes with an MGO 850+ Manuka Honey jar, 5 honey travel sticks, a wooden spoon, and a guidebook!  BIOptimizers | For an exclusive offer go to bioptimizers.com/realfoodology and use promo code REALFOODOLOGY  Beekeepers Naturals | Go to beekeepersnaturals.com/REALFOODOLOGY or enter code REALFOODOLOGY to get 20% off your order.  Timetamps:  00:00:00 – Introduction  00:05:38 – Gaps in functional medicine testing 00:09:17 – Mold toxicity & immune function 00:11:47 – Glyphosate in food and environment 00:14:34 – How toxins affect your pets 00:18:31 – Toxins in flooring and home materials 00:20:45 – How to reduce toxic overload 00:24:34 – Sauna use for detox support 00:25:54 – Dangers of forever chemicals 00:26:40 – Post-sauna protocol & skincare 00:27:32 – Using binders for detox 00:31:23 – Benefits of chlorella & spirulina 00:32:14 – Detox alternatives to saunas 00:33:30 – Courtney’s mystery infection 00:35:30 – Lyme disease & stealth infections 00:37:51 – Signs of undetected infections 00:39:55 – Infections and fertility health 00:43:31 – Dr. Kelly’s real patient cases 00:47:19 – What is MCAS (Mast Cell Activation)? 00:51:21 – Understanding the toxic sink analogy 00:54:27 – Why phosphatidylcholine matters 00:58:58 – Dr. Kelly’s book highlights 01:02:09 – Why chronic illness feels “normal” 01:06:07 – Small lifestyle changes that help Further Listening:  Detox Protocols: How to Remove Seed Oils from the Body, Good Fats vs Bad Fats, + Supplement Recommendations | BodyBio Glyphosate, Big Agriculture, + Cancer | Kelly Rhyerson Check Out Dr. Kelly thespringcenter.com Website Facebook  Instagram Check Out Courtney:  LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! @realfoodology www.realfoodology.com My Immune Supplement by 2x4 Air Dr Air Purifier AquaTru Water Filter EWG Tap Water Database Produced By: Drake Peterson

On today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast. Why do we have to wait? Why do we have to push? Why do we have to sacrifice our bodies when they're just doing what they're trying to get our attention? Hello, everyone. Welcome back to the Real Foodology Podcast. As always, I'm your host, Courtney Swan, and today's guest is Dr. Kelly McCann.

I've had the pleasure of actually working with Dr. Kelly McCann, and this is what's so cool about this particular episode is we go over some of my test results, what they mean and what I'm doing about it. One of them has to do with glyphosate. So you're going to want to listen to this one for sure. Dr. Kelly McCann is a functional, integrative and environmental medical MD. She also has a practice in Costa Mesa called the Spring Center, which is where I have been seeing her. And I got a bunch of testing done and I'm doing a bunch of detox right now because as you all know, I'm currently on a fertility journey. I'm trying to

prep my body for pregnancy. And one of the things that I'm doing is making sure that I get as much of the environmental toxins out of my blood as I possibly can. We are living in a situation right now where we don't have a lot of control around the environmental toxins that we're being exposed to. But what we can do is empower ourselves, learn about these things and where we're getting these exposures from, and then learn about things we can do about it. Right. And what's really cool about Kelly and the work that she does is she is known as one of these doctors that helps people solve quote unquote mystery illnesses, meaning that maybe somebody has bounced around to a lot of different specialists. They've had a lot of, you know, signs and symptoms that have gone undiagnosed. Maybe they've seen doctors and gotten blood work done and the doctor has said, well,

your blood work looks totally fine. You must be fine. You're great. But they haven't been able to find a doctor that has been able to get to the root of it yet. And Kelly is one of those amazing doctors that has a track record of having those types of patients. That's like, I've seen all these different specialists. I don't know what's going on. And she just is a wizard in finding these things out. So I really hope that you get a lot out of this episode. I hope that you love it. If you could take a moment to rate and review the podcast, it helps me so much. It helps the show grow and it takes about two seconds to do. So I appreciate your support so much. And if you want to tag me at Real Foodology, if you're loving this episode, I try to get back to all of them and repost as many as I can. So thank you all so much for the support. I love you. Thank you for listening.

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Dr. Kelly McCann, thank you so much for coming on today. I'm so grateful to have you. Thank you, Courtney. I'm so happy to be here. Yeah, we recently got actually got connected through a mutual friend of ours, because I was looking for very specific care, which we are actually going to go deep into today. And I had my first appointment with you yesterday, which I'm allowed to talk about, right? Yes, of course. It was your appointment. You can talk all you want about it. Okay, great. Because I never know, you know, with the confidentiality between doctor, but, you know.

That's on my side. Okay, perfect. I can't talk about you behind your back, basically. Great, perfect. But I'm giving you full, I'm giving you a microphone to talk about me right now, so it's fine. Exactly. But yeah, so one of the things that I love to do with my podcast actually is I'm very

open and transparent with my audience as I'm going through things, as I'm getting testing done because my hope is that they will learn and then be inspired either to go get that testing done for themselves or maybe they might recognize some symptoms that I talk about and go, oh, maybe they can connect some dots for themselves. And then hopefully if they live anywhere near you in California, maybe they can come see you as a patient as well if they're dealing with similar things. And one thing that I really love about the work that you're doing is you are known

for solving mystery illnesses, meaning that if someone has seen, maybe they've seen a ton of doctors and they've gotten all these testing done and they're just, they're having these symptoms that they just can't, the puzzle pieces are just not fully coming together. And I would love to hear your thoughts on this. But what I understand is a lot of times what's happening is there's

probably some sort of like underlying infection that maybe is just not, it's going undetected and there's signs and symptoms that are showing up. But then when you get certain blood work done, if you don't know the exact blood work to look for, a lot of that can go undetected because some of your blood work will look fine. And they're like, oh, you're fine, but you're clearly not because you're dealing with these symptoms. Right. Yeah, it's it's a deeper dive with functional medicine than what you would get at a conventional medicine doctor's office. So you go to a conventional medicine doctor, you tell them your list of symptoms, they run a

complete blood panel looking at your white blood cells, your red blood cells, your platelets, maybe look at your kidneys and your liver, do a TSH for your thyroid. If you're lucky, you get vitamin D, and they say, oh, you look fine on paper. Well, you didn't actually look it very much. Yeah. You know?

So there's many different ways to look more deeply in things. We can look at inflammation. Just in conventional lab work, I can look at something like uric acid. Uric acid gives me a little kind of clue into the function of the mitochondria, which is super important because many people are coming in with fatigue. And so then we can look at things like that. We can look at hormones.

But oftentimes I'm getting clues from the conventional labs as to where we need to dig deeper. And for all of us living on this planet, we know that we're getting exposed to chemicals on a regular basis. And the number of chemicals in the environment is just escalating. There are hundreds of thousands of chemicals

in the environment today, and we can't avoid them. So when people start to get sick, oftentimes it's because they have a bucket, their bodies, that are overflowing. And they can also have chronic ill chronic infections too, which are complicated by the environmental Toxin exposures as well as I see a lot of patients, especially in Southern California with mold exposure It is a rampant problem and it's not because we're near the beach It's because the construction

is not great. We don't build for snow and cold weather, so people will throw up houses overnight and oftentimes they're not built with enough regard that you can avoid things like pinhole leaks or slab leaks and stuff like that. Yeah, you know, it's interesting when I moved to California over the years, I just started having more and more friends that were saying, oh man, we just found I have mold toxicity. So many of them, in fact, and I was lucky when I We did most recently know, but there were definitely some things that were a little off like your white blood cells are low, your platelets are low. What is going on with that? That's not normal. In fact, Quest recently, well, probably within the past 20 years lowered the reference ranges

because everybody was lower. So they decided to just rather than investigate this, lower the reference range. Wow. So and unfortunately, a lot of the environmental chemicals, some of the mold toxins can impact the bone marrow, which is where your white blood cells, your platelets and your red blood cells are made. And it's causing a problem there that you're seeing in your blood work. But this is never something that conventional

medicine doctors are taught. It's something that even functional medicine doctors don't know as deeply unless they've really gone and specifically studied environmental medicine or dealing with mold patients. For sure, and I will tell you just in my own experience of working, because I feel very fortunate that at a pretty young age, I started to learn about functional medicine, integrative medicine,

and I had started seeing doctors in that realm for almost like 20 years now, I would say, just because I became very awoken to that realm. But it hasn't been until very more recently that more and more doctors have been talking about things like Lyme, mold, glyphosate exposure, heavy metals, like all of these different things. And I want to be very careful and just remind the listener that we're going to give you tips and tricks on how you can combat all this. It's never my intent to have someone leave a podcast just being like, oh, my God, everything's just, you know, screwed up. But it is just something that's a reality. So I'm sure my listeners, when they hear about that some of my levels are really high, they're going to go, what if she has it? I probably have it too.

And that is part of my point actually, because this is the last couple days I've been having conversations with friends. My friend that I'm staying with right now literally said that to me yesterday. She goes, man, if you have it, then I definitely have it. And it's becoming more and more concerning. And the one that really made me the most concerned was the glyphosate. Yes.

This has been something that I have been on a crusade about for the last at least 10 years, because when I started learning about it, I was incredibly concerned. So I've always had my levels checked. And when I was living in California, my levels were, at the time, my doctor told me there was some of the lowest she had ever seen. And so I was living in California, my levels were, at the time, my doctor told me there were some of the lowest she'd ever seen.

And so I was like, oh, great, everything I'm doing is working. Well, I moved to Colorado last June, and I got this testing done in January or February, and my glyphosate is through the freaking roof. Yeah. Yeah, it was a 95th percentile or something like that. Really, really scary. And so what that tells us is that before, when you had control over your environment and your diet, you did great.

When you move to another environment and your diet stays the same, because obviously that's gonna stay the same, right? It's the environment. And so we had this conversation yesterday. My question to you was, do you have dogs? Yep. I got two.

Yeah. And do you walk them in the grass? Yes. And do they go in your bed and on your sofa? And with that answer being yes, that's probably the source of the elevated glyphosate. Many communities will spray, many neighborhoods will spray,

your neighborhood right next door might be spraying and you don't know. And many people who are not involved in functional wellness don't realize that that, you know, roundup that they're spraying on the weeds in the sidewalk that they really don't want is potentially killing people or at least causing some challenges for people. So it's really important to know about.

And that really was an eyeopening moment for me because I've thought about it in the past. And in fact, actually right when we moved to our house in Colorado, because we have a house at the yard, and we have with our landlord, we have a guy that just comes and takes care of the yard. And that was the first conversation I had with him the very first time he came. I said, look, I have two dogs.

I'm incredibly concerned about their health. Please do not spray Roundup or anything toxic. And I literally told him, I said, I will buy you something if it's like out of what you use that's non-toxic. And he goes, oh, no, no, no, you don't have to worry. Like I don't use Roundup or anything like that. He's like, I have dogs and he actually knew about it. And I was like, okay, great.

So then I just never thought about it again. But then when you told me that yesterday and I started thinking about, so there's a park that I walk to, there's two different parks near my house that I walk to almost every single day with my dogs. And we throw the ball for them, we like let them run around and we walk through the grass to get to a path that goes around a lake.

My golden retriever, I don't even know how like I called my fiance afterwards and I was like, I don't even know how we're gonna what we're gonna do because he is so obsessed with getting in the grass that he runs around and then he full blown goes like this on his back. I mean this dog is 70 pounds like even if I try I could not keep him from doing that like it's just what he does. So now we have to try to figure out okay do we just take them somewhere else for walks or do I just strictly take them on hikes now because I know they're not going to be spraying up in the mountains you know.

Yeah. It's a problem. It's a huge problem and in the mountains, you know? Yeah, a problem. It's a huge problem. And I'm sorry. Now you have this problem with your dog. I mean, I'm grateful to know it. You know, right. Yeah. For some people or for other dogs who you could just put booties on or

I mean, it's very impractical to give the poor dog a bath every time. Yeah. I mean, it would just be like with my little dog. We also have a little 12 pound dog. And I mean, he's so easy. I just throw him in the shower with me and it's two seconds, but the golden retriever, it is a whole thing. Oh yeah. I had a golden. Oh my gosh.

I remember getting like practically naked, hopping in the shower with my dog. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. No, it is like a whole, I mean, it's just a whole process. So it's like not even possible. But I'm grateful to now know that because now we're going to we're going to just try to figure out. Because the other thing for me was I was racking my brain, trying to figure out where that would have come from, because I have water filters, I eat organic food.

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Your cells will thank you. There was something else that you said to me that was pretty high and you said, you know, that it's often found in glues and like flooring or maybe in beds or like couches. Yeah. So there were a couple of things that we found. There were metabolites, so metabolic processes, metabolites of two volatile organic compounds, styrene and ethylbenzene. Think about flooring, polyvinyl flooring. Most people these days have that kind of flooring and the glues and the backing of the polyvinyl fluorine, polychloro... Oh, God.

So hard to say. Yeah. Vinyl chloride flooring can off-gas, can have a bunch of chemical toxins that were very high in your blood. I mean, think about styrofoam cups, right? So styrofoam cups, styrofoam food containers, and I know you're not eating out of those or eating off of those.

So where is it coming from? It's coming from our homes. We can do the great job with our food because we know about that. A lot of people know about their personal care products. And even your cooking utensils, right? So nonstick pans to avoid the parafluorinates like PFOS and PFAS. But it's the building materials that are really very toxic and the indoor air that's probably the most toxic and the things that we don't necessarily have control over like the flooring or the glues or the

You know some of the other Markers were in the glues in the foam in most of our furniture and I don't know about you, but I priced an organic couch. It was like ridiculous I did we looked at him too, we were like, this is insane. Yeah. And then my organic couch was in a moldy house and I lost my organic couch. Oh no.

So all this to say, we're really trying to arm you with understanding and arm you with some tools. So absolutely, if we know that the air in our homes is a place that we can get contaminated, air filtration is gonna be important. If you have the means to build your own home, there are people who know how to build healthy homes. They're known as building biologists. If you're not that wealthy,

then you do the best that you can. You make sure you filter your water, you filter your air, you vacuum a lot. A lot of the chemicals end up in the dust. So think about all of our plastic things, right? And even just our computers, our TVs, sound systems, vacuum cleaners, like there's so many things that are plastic in our lives. Those plastics end up in our dust.

Makes sense. Yeah, they're breaking down. They're breaking down. So now we've got microplastics and nanoplastics in our dust. And if we're not vacuuming on a regular basis, we're inhaling them in. And then, you know, for our little ones or our pet, our pet babies, they're close to the floor inhaling that dust. So vacuuming on a regular basis, not wearing your shoes in the house. That's super important to really try and avoid contaminating your space. Super important to really try and avoid contaminating your space. That's a really big one and I'm glad you brought that up. So in my home, at home in Denver, we have a rule that people can't wear shoes in the house and we just pile our shoes up by the back door.

Because yeah, I think it's disgusting everything that gets tracked into the house, like, and then we're walking around barefoot and then it's just getting, but you know, it's interesting. I think about that though. And I think about my dogs all the time. I'm like, oh, but my dogs are just wearing their shoes everywhere. I know. All the dogs need little booties. They really do. But you know, and it's like, I want to share this with the listeners so that they are hopefully also inspired

to, to, to be this way. I'm trying the best that I can and I'm taking note of all of this and I'm more hyper focused on this than normal because I'm hoping to be pregnant by the end of this year. But I don't want people to feel like they just they have to live in a bubble because it's just not reality. And this is also why we're having this conversation because I want to just share like, okay, this is what we found. This is what I'm doing about it. I'm going to try the best I can. And I literally told my friend Krista yesterday, I said, look, I'm going to do all the suggestions that my doctor has. I'm going to up my sauna game.

I'm going to do all the supplements. We're doing these detox IVs that we're going to talk about. And then I'm just going to let God. At some point, it's like you just have to like do the best you can and try not to just because I'm not going to live in a bubble. Well, yes, you don't want to live in a bubble and especially if it's plastic. But yeah, very true. No, we live on the planet, right?

We live here and we have to figure out a way to navigate and do the best that we can. I will admit when I did my fellowship in environmental medicine, I think I had an existential crisis because it was pretty overwhelming. All the alphabet soup of all the chemicals. But what I have learned is that we can make slow incremental changes over time and take ownership of our health and take ownership of our bodies as best we can, right?

If you don't have the money to build your own home that's perfectly green and EMF free and all of that, don't sweat it, I don't either. So, you know, but I do the best that we can. We filter our water, we have air filters, we eat organic, and then at the end of the day, you know, you just, that's all you can do. Exactly. Yeah.

Yeah, and I'm grateful for utilizing things like sauna, for example, and actually that's something we can talk about. So now knowing this, that I have some of this stuff in my blood, so let's talk about some of the things that I'm going to start utilizing. So one of them is sauna, and you want me to take a binder when I go in my blood. So let's talk about some of the things that I'm going to start utilizing. So one of them is sauna and you want me to take a binder when I go on the sauna. Can we talk about a binder? What is that? Sure. Let's talk a little bit about sauna first. Right? So why is sauna so great? It

heats up the body. It enables many of the toxins, not all, but many of them to get flushed out of the body through the skin. And the skin is the largest organ, so it's a great organ of detoxification. The key with the sauna is you have to sweat. You actually have to break a sweat. So if you're not breaking a sweat when you get in a sauna, then that gives me a clue that you probably need to keep doing this, right? Keep doing this until you start to sweat.

And then you want to make sure that you shower afterwards because all those chemicals are in the sweat. There was a Canadian physician named Dr. Genovese, and he did a ton of research on sweating and the chemicals that could get out with sweating, including heavy metals and mold toxins, most pesticides, and then the plastics, not the microplastics, but the chemicals that go along with the plastics like phthalates and the

bisphenols. The one thing that doesn't get out with sauna or really much else are the, the, we call them parafluorinates. So the P F O S is the forever chemicals, the forever chemicals. Yeah. That we really have to avoid, um, because they're not coming out, um, unless you're going to do a phlebotomy and, um, like an ozone would ozone help with P F S is no, you literally have to do a blood exchange. Wow. Plasma, pharesis. So yeah, throw away all of your nonstick pans immediately, please.

And then get, I use cast iron. I love my cast iron pans. So anyway, back to sauna, fabulous way to get out many, many of the chemical toxins. And then you want to shower, use your glycerin soap to bind up those chemicals. Oh, yeah. So, okay, let's talk about this for a second because I'd never heard this before. So you want to use glycerin soap after to make sure that it binds to the chemicals to

get them out. Yes. Yeah. That's what I learned from my teacher, Dr. Walter Crinian, who was a forefather of environmental medicine. And so that's what he always taught us. So you can buy your glycerin soap, scented, unscented, doesn't really matter. I would say unscented because of the endocrine disruptors, but yeah. Absolutely. And then in terms of taking a binder, so when you heat the body up and the chemicals start moving

around the body, hopefully some of them are getting out in the sweat. The other ones might get filtered through the bloodstream, through the liver, into the gallbladder if you still have one, and then they dump in the bile. And when they're in the bile, the body actually recirculates bile. It's kind of expensive to make bile energetically in our bodies, and so we wanna preserve that hard work that we did to make the bile. The bile is used to digest our fats.

So the bile and our toxins get dumped into the gastrointestinal system and then they get recirculated, which we wanna avoid, right? So you wanna have more in the toilet than what's coming back into your body. And we do that with binders, things like activated charcoal, bentonite clay,

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bits and I stopped taking it for a little bit. Would that be something that would be good to take just in general? Potentially. Potentially. You really want to be careful of the sources. Where are they growing? That ideally it's like not in, it's in facility not in a um a place that could potentially be contaminated yeah that makes sense and what about spirulina would you put that in the same kind of boat or

is that yeah okay cool yeah because i feel like i need to start taking that again but i need to check on my sources okay so basically what you're saying with the sauna is that like majority of that kind of stuff that as a population right now that we are getting exposed to we can we can mostly get out except for the forever chemicals which is a really good sign for everyone listening oh this is what I wanted to remind people of if you do not have access to a sauna like I get it saunas are very expensive there's a couple different options that you have first and foremost if you can't do a full-blown sauna there's the sleeping bag saunas now that are great. I have a lot of friends that just have gym memberships that just have access to a sauna. I actually, I'm in LA right now and I went on class pass and I found something through class pass that I can go use there in Fred's sauna. So there's a lot of different options. And then if you just really don't have the resources for that, I would also say an Epsom salt bath, where the water's hot enough, where you work up a sweat. Would you say that's a decent workaround?

Yes, absolutely. And then the magnesium sulfate that's in the Epsom salt also has supportive detox qualities too, as we talked about when you're trying to support your liver to help with the detoxification of a number of these different chemicals, there's a process in the liver called sulfation. And so it's helpful to have the enzymes, I'm sorry, the Epsom salt baths. Okay, that's awesome. So that's good to know.

And then look, the tried and true, like, get a good workout in and it makes you sweat, you know, and that will also get your lymphatic system moving. So there's a lot of different options. And I always like to provide people with that because I want to be sensitive of like where people's budgets are and all that. Okay, so the other thing that I really wanted to talk about that we found was the kind of like mystery underlying potential infection that I might be having because you'd mentioned that I had low white blood cells, which is also something that really concerns me. And we did a test, which you're going to have to remind me again of what it was. I know we were testing for Babesia, but that came back negative, right?

Right. So there's a general immune marker called CD57 that ideally is run through LabCorp. Sorry, Quest, you don't do it properly. But LabCorp does it properly. There may be other independent labs that do it properly. But LabCorp does it properly. There may be other independent labs that do it too. And it's an immune marker. A CD57 is a tag that goes on a special kind of cell called a natural killer cell. And we have lots of natural killer cells that have different markers on them.

But this is a specific class of natural killer cells that tend to get suppressed when people have chronic infections, often associated with Lyme disease. It's not a perfect test. The medical literature is kind of split on this, whether it's good or it's not. I learned about it when I first started learning about Lyme disease probably 18 years ago and I found it incredibly helpful as a screening test it's you know, $130 as opposed to some of the the left lab testing for

Infections which can run in the thousands of dollars. And so it's a great screening to see, is this an issue or not? The reference range that they look at is between 60 and like 300. I would say optimal is around 200. Less than 60 is a little bit more concerning that there might be an infection. Yeah. And so we're wondering now if maybe I have some sort of infection and so we're gonna have another test done to see. So I guess like what would be the other possibilities outside of Lyme that it would be?

Or does it just mean that it probably is Lyme? No, there are a variety of other infections. So Lyme is actually one, is what we call a variety of different Borrelia burgdorferi. So Borrelia is the genus and then the species is Borrelia burgdorferi. So it's named for the guy who identified it in the 70s. It usually is, I feel like. It usually is, like the names for those things usually come from the people that I didn't find.

Yeah, like I found it, I get to name it. Exactly, I claim it. But then there are other species of Borrelia too. There are some called tick-borne relapsing fever Borrelia. So they're related, but if you ran a test through like a commercial lab, it might come back negative even though you have this other Borrelia. There are infections. There's a bacteria called Bartonella, which is also known as cat scratch fever. Some of you listening may be old enough to know the name of the song cat scratch fever. That's okay. I'll date myself. But it can be transmitted by more than just a tick, right?

Can you literally get it from a cat scratch? Yes. So a cat can scratch. Oftentimes they're not sick, but sometimes they can be sick themselves. The cats that are carriers, it can come from a scratch or a bite from a cat. It can come from a flea that was on the cat that's infected that bites you and then you can get Bartonella. There are a variety of other species of Bartonella. It can come from lice and mites and all sorts of different places too. So we call it like a co-infection with Lyme, but it's not always in that same tick that

would transmit the Lyme. And then yeah, there's Babesia, which is a blood parasite kind of similar to malaria. And that too can be transmitted by a variety of different insects. And you know, honestly, I don't know anyone who's never had a mosquito bite. Exactly. So. Well, and I'm glad you brought that up because I was just thinking, you know, honestly, I don't know anyone who's never had a mosquito bite. Exactly. So well, and I'm glad you brought that up because I was just thinking, you know, if this conversation is new to people, I'm sure some people are going, okay, my mom was this way when I was trying to explain this concept to my mom, or she was like, what do you mean

you could have an infection, but you didn't know you've had like you didn't even know that it was that it was a bite or like anything. And maybe you can explain that because I have a hard time even explaining that because a lot of people like anything. And maybe if you can explain that, because I have a hard time even explaining that, because a lot of people are like, what do you mean? Like, wouldn't you know that you have an infection? And it's like, well, you could be having just these low grade symptoms that you like,

weren't able to correlate to that. Sure. So some of the medical literature says that only about 50%, maybe less, have a recollection of a tick bite, number one. I think the studies for the bullseye rash, the classic hallmark bullseye rash that's associated with Lyme disease is even less, 10 to 30%. I actually think it's probably lower than, on the lower side.

So you can be somewhere, get a bite. And then the other thing to think about too is these ticks are tiny. The baby ticks called nymphs, they look like a poppy seed. You could miss it easily. And then it gets, it bites you and injects the infections and like falls off and you don't even know you were bit. Or if you get sick with what looks like the flu,

feels like the flu looks like the flu, it's that time of year in the fall or the spring, and you just assume that you got sick with something else, you think it's a virus, you have no idea that it's a bacteria. And then on top of that, many people's immune systems are resilient enough to fight it off to the point where the immune system can wall it off. So I think about it really simply,

like if your immune system is here and the infection is here, your immune system's gonna keep it in check and you're not gonna have a lot of symptoms. But if your immune system gets depleted because of toxins or mold exposure, and then the infection starts running rampant, you develop more and more and more symptoms.

Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, because it's interesting. I just feel like I'm not going through the day feeling like I have some sort of infection, but then we look at these numbers and I'm like, oh wow, Oh, wow. Okay. What is going on there?

Right. And then, you know, many people, you're in a different situation right now. You're looking at your health, trying to be preventative and conscientious and make sure that you're the optimal state of health so that you can have a really healthy baby. And that puts you in a different category. If somebody was in your situation and felt fine, we might not be doing this deep dive. Yeah. Or conversely, if you didn't feel fine, then you should be doing this deep dive.

Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that's how all of this started is I started on my self-proclaimed maybe six months ago, like, okay, I'm really going to start getting my body ready to get pregnant. And I started doing all this testing and you know, it's just kind of an onion, right? It's like as I peel back one layer to go, there's another layer to pull back and you know, and I'm, I feel hopeful, like I honestly, when I first got these results back, I was so bummed and like

defeated and just like, Oh my God, where's this coming from? And then when I saw you yesterday, I was feeling a mixture of that, but also feeling hopeful in the sense that like we have a great plan. And also to that you found that really low number, which is probably correlating to some infection. You're the first doctor that has ever found that for me. And I have seen a lot of doctors, and I'm sure you hear that story all the time, and a lot of functional doctors and a lot of integrative doctors and a lot of people that are doing a lot of testing, but for some reason have never tested me with that. And you're the first doctor to be like, I think you might actually have something like

Lyme or something going on that we need to get, you know, hold of. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It's important because if there is Lyme there, if there are these infections there, then we can do something about it before you get pregnant. Whereas if we don't know about it, it's very difficult to deal with it afterwards. And, you know, Borrelia lime is a spirochete, which is a form of a bacteria.

It's related to syphilis. They're both spirochetes. And so we know that syphilis can be transmitted from mom to baby. Lime and these different infections can be transmitted from lime to baby, mom to baby. So it's important for women who are looking to get pregnant to check that box too. Yeah, absolutely. And also, I think all the environmental toxins too. Yeah, absolutely. By far,

because super important. Yeah, well, because we know that an overburdened mom that has just a ton of this stuff in her body, it can be passed a baby in utero. And then it can be, you know, there can be a lot of, a lot of issues down the line for baby. And two, another thing that concerns me is that like, once I'm pregnant, we can't really do detoxing. Like we can't be doing much about it. Right. Right. Yeah. Dr. Kurnian used to say the fastest way for women to detox is to get pregnant. Ooh, which is really bad. Yeah, that's terrible. Because then you just detox it into your baby, right? Or a lot of the chemicals can cross the placenta, cross into the placenta and go into the baby.

So, you know, preconception work is key. Finding out what you have and doing something about it is key if you want to have a healthy baby. Yeah. Oh man. So just in the vein of talking about finding these underlying infections and just helping people with their mystery illnesses, is there a story or two that maybe you can tell where you just had this like aha moment of maybe someone was really struggling and and they've seen a lot of people and you nobody really could give them answers maybe they were struggling with symptoms they were being told like oh your blood work looks great but actually you

were able to find something and help them through that. Sure. Anything you were able to share. Like maybe one that was just like wow wow, this was such a cool story. But yeah, they're all pretty cool. But I had one woman, this poor, this poor woman. She probably suffered for like, I don't know, 10, 15 years before she found me. She would have these weird dizzy spells. She would feel fatigued.

Her heart rate would skyrocket, and she just felt awful, she had headaches, and this went on for such a long time, and nobody knew what to do with her, nobody. And then eventually she got a new primary care doctor, and this is after like a decade of suffering, right, and she would go to the emergency room feeling like she was dying and people do her blood work and say, oh, you're fine, you're fine.

She's like, I know I'm not fine. I know deep down inside, I'm not fine, right? But she didn't know where else to go and nobody had any answers for her. And then her primary care doctor said, you know, it sounds like you might have POTS, Postural Orthostatic Tachycardic syndrome. She was so excited. Oh, I have POTS, I have something, right? And she managed to put herself on a waiting list to be seen at Mayo because nobody

else knew what to do with her. She waited two years to be seen at Mayo because now she had this label. And she gets to Mayo and he's like, well, I'm gonna put you on a beta blocker to slow down your heart rate. And oh, I think you have mast cell activation syndrome. And he sent her home. That's it. The best that conventional medicine has to offer. And after two years of waiting for it.

After two years of waiting for it. And he gives her a beta blocker and sends her home with another label. And she's now like, okay, I can figure this out. I can figure this out. And she keeps trying to, you know, trying different practitioners, trying this guy, trying that guy. And she gets into my office finally, and she's, you know,

pretty struck by the fact that I was down the street all this time. And what I said to her is, well, I didn't know all of these things that I know now when you were struggling. So I'm glad you came now. But yeah, the poor woman couldn't sit through our first appointment. She had to lie down during our first appointment because she was so dizzy and lightheaded. And I put her on a better medication for POTS, explained more about mast cell, because nobody had touched mast cell activation syndrome the entire time that she had this label but was searching for answers, and put her on a bunch of things that will help to calm her immune system down, her mast cells down, and found that she had Lyme and was in a moldy house and was in a marriage that wasn't

really serving her. Eventually her husband decided to leave her and although that was devastating, she has now blossomed. She's exercising now, she works full time, She's just, she's alive in a way that she was not for a long, long time. Oh, I'm happy to hear that there's an ending, a good ending with that story. And you mentioned two things actually

that I did wanna talk about. So let's start out first with the, I always call it MCAS, but is that the right way to say it? MCAS, yeah. Okay, MCAS. So I have in my little pocket of the internet, I've been seeing so many women talk about it I always call it MCAS, but is that the right way to say it? MCAS, yeah. Okay, MCAS. So I have in my little pocket of the internet, I've been seeing so many women talk about it because a lot of women who have been on Botox for like 10 years are now starting to have this like MCAS reaction and a lot of them are starting to get off of it because

they had this reaction to it. And then actually, you know what, funny enough about the Lyme, I also have a very good friend in my close circle who has been struggling with his health for a long time and finally got to a doctor that's really been helping him like get to the bottom of all this. And they were like, oh, you have MCAS, like you have like this histamine reaction happening. They're like, well, why do you have histamine reaction happening? And then turns out he has Lyme. Yes. So what is that?

Let's talk about the MCAS and why is it happening for Lyme? Why are women seeing it when they have too much Botox? Like what's going on there? Sure. So mast cells are what we're talking about. They're a certain kind of immune cell and their job is to seek out and fight foreign invaders. So it makes sense that in some people, their mast cells get turned on.

And there's a genetic predisposition for people who have a tendency towards mast cell activation. Oftentimes they're kind of allergic kids, they might have asthma or eczema when they're younger and they grow out of it and then they develop into something else. Not always, but sometimes. And the job of the mast cells is to line the areas

of what we call interface. So your upper respiratory tract, your mouth, your GI tract, your lower respiratory tract, they're on the skin, they hang out around the nerves and the blood vessels, and they're constantly seeking foreign invaders. And when they see these foreign invaders, they're filled with all these chemical messengers called mediators, they release all their mediators,

remember the cytokine storm? That's mast cells, degranulating, dumping all their inflammatory mediators, remember the cytokine storm? That's mast cells, degranulating, dumping all their inflammatory mediators, calling to the rest of the immune system, hey, there's a problem over here, come here. And so that's what we want our mast cells to do. And then in the unfortunate, roughly 20% of the population who has a genetic predisposition, their mast cells can get turned on and then they don't turn off. And so it's an activation syndrome where the mast cells are activated all the time, they're hypervigilant.

And the most common triggers for MCAS that I've seen are mold, bartonella, which is that cat scratch fever, Lyme, environmental chemicals, EMF. So it's not surprising that women who get Botox, it's a toxin, are getting MCAS. A lot of long haul COVID is actually MCAS. Many people end up with POTS and MCAS after COVID. And there is a histamine component, but there doesn't have to be. So histamine is one of the chemical mediators in those mast cells, but not in everybody. And it turns out that the composition

of the chemical messengers, the cytokines, chemokines, histamine, they're different in every person. And not only that, they're different in every tissue in a person. So some of the mast cells can have lots of histamine, some of them don't, which is why mast cell activation looks so different across the board.

Some people will have neurological symptoms. Some people will have cardiac symptoms. Lots of people have GI symptoms. There is no mast cell patient looks the same. Yeah, that's so interesting. And it's interesting because I feel like more recently than ever I've been hearing about MCAS. Like, I mean, I just feel like I see it all online.

I have friends, multiple friends that have been dealing with it. And I'm just wondering if maybe part of it is that just we are, again, like what we've been talking about this whole episode is we're just being, we're in a toxic soup. Like I don't know how else to say it. You know, we're just getting like annihilated, for lack of a better word, by all these toxins in our environment that we can't always avoid. So I think there's a really great analogy using a sink. So some people have huge sinks and really narrow, I'm sorry, and big drains, right?

So they can take in a lot of toxins, they can take in a lot of infections and their body is very resilient. And then there are some people who have these really shallow sinks and really narrow drains. And you put in a few things and they're overflowing. That overflow is the development of symptoms. And yeah, I think the world is really toxic. COVID didn't help. Even if you chose not to get vaccinated, just the infection itself. Wrecked havoc. I don't know about you, but I had terrible brain fog after that. I don't know.

I didn't have any lingering symptoms. I got really lucky. I lost my sense of taste and smell for literally a day and a half. It was so weird. And then it came back like that and I never had any lingering, but I know people that did, you know, so it's just as weird how it affected everybody so weird. And then it came back like that and I never had any lingering, but I know people that did, you know? So it's just as weird how it affected everybody so differently.

Yes, definitely a tribute to you draining your bucket and working really hard to eat healthy and live as healthy as you can. So good for you. Well, I hope so. Yeah, I hope, because I'm like, man, I do a lot. I hope it's helping in some ways. Absolutely. I know it is.

I know it is. It's just, you know, it's like there was that level of feeling super defeated when I got all these labs back because I just, you know, I've been following a lot of this stuff for a long time. I mean, you know, some of the stuff that we tested more recently, like I said, the co-infection kind of stuff, like I had never had that tested, but all the glyphosate, the BPAs, the BPSs, like I've been following those numbers for years.

So it just was really, it was a shock. But it's a good lesson, you know, it's a good lesson that even if you're doing like everything, you know, quote unquote, right, there's still so much going on that it's like, at a certain point, you're just, you're in the environment you're in and like you're doing the best you can. Exactly. Yeah. And I don't mean to say that people who have long-haul COVID

are doing something wrong. Oh no. Yeah, I don't think you're saying that at all. But I think that what it tells me is that there was something underneath that needs to be addressed. And oftentimes COVID completely depletes the body of nutrients. And I find that for a lot of people, they need a whole bunch of different kinds of vitamins and minerals to really replenish things and to start working on their cell membrane health. Oh my gosh, which that's what we need to talk about that. Yes, yes. Okay, because I got so focused on the sauna.

Okay, so this is probably the I would say is the number one thing that I'm doing for the glyphosate Detoxing that I think is the most important which I'm taking something called phosphatidylcholine Which I've talked about before in the podcast. In fact, I had the founder Jess Kane on of this company called body bio and I'm not only taking body bio PC every day and just so people know exactly what I'm doing of this company called BodyBio. Kind of. And so I figured out a little hack where I just do a tiny little bit of water, juice or whatever, and then I put it in there and then I just take it back like a shot and then you don't taste it, you don't even notice it. Yeah.

So I've been doing that every day. And then I've also been coming to you to get these PC pushes with glutathione in there. So can we talk about what's happening with that phosphatidylcholine that's helping your body get out? It's not only glyphosate that it gets out, but it's also heavy metals or mold, mycotoxins. Absolutely. So phosphatidylcholine, I'm going to take you back to like high school biology, cell biology. So every cell in the body has a lipid bilayer. You might remember that lipid bilayer. If you don't, that's okay too. But, and then on the outside of the lipid bilayer are, actually the whole lipid bilayer layer

is made up of multiple different kinds of phospholipids, but PC is the one on the outside of the cell. And so if you have a toxin sitting in your cell, sitting on your DNA, you can take phosphatidylcholine as a supplement and it will clear out the toxin from that cell and literally move it outside of the cell. There, we used to have an amazing test that's no longer available out of Germany that was able to identify Exactly what environmental chemicals were sitting on the DNA and where they were sitting. So what this is called is an epigenetic Or DNA adduct. So as an epigenetic insult we talk about genetics as in the DNA

Epigenetic means on top of the genome. And so when you have an epigenetic insult, it's not changing the DNA, but it's changing how the DNA gets transcribed and translated into proteins, which is a huge issue, right? And the body biopc can wash that away. and the BodyBio PC can wash that away. So we would be able to do before and after tests, looking at people before they started their PCs, their supplementation, the oral and the IV, and then do it after. And we would see that literally they would be washed away.

It was amazing. So cool. I've seen, I've talked about this on the podcast before, but for those that have not heard this yet, BodyBio sent me a chart from one of their patients, which obviously they didn't give me the, you know, the patient's information or anything like that, but just showed me that where their markers were in the beginning before they started taking PC and then where they were at, you know, after they had tested again. And I was like blown away. I've never seen anything like this before. The glyphosate went down, the mold went down,

the BPS went down, heavy metals went down. It was wild all across the board. It's like magic and not enough people are talking about it. Quality is important, I will say that. You can go to Costco probably and buy some phosphatidylcholine. Please don't waste your money. It is soy lefacin and it's not gonna help or have the impact that you really need.

I'm a big believer in the body bio company and their products and I really stand by their products. At one point I was in a moldy house and I was getting muscle twitching on my legs. So my muscles were literally twitching. I would take about eight, this is before I learned how to do the PC liquid, I took eight capsules and within 15 minutes

the fasciculations would stop. Wow. I was like, oh my God, this stuff is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It really is amazing and I'm excited to see, hopefully we'll do testing maybe like after I do these next IVs in June because I want to see, I'm like, please let the numbers be

down. I'm sure they will be. I hope so too. Well, before we go, I do want to talk because you're writing a book right now. I am, working on it slowly. And you were telling me a little bit about it before we started recording and you were talking about how, which I mean, you were just speaking to me and it was really resonating in the sense that you're writing this book about how you're sitting with your patients

and please correct me if I'm wrong, this is what I understand is you're helping them reframe that your body is not against you. So can you tell us more about that? Sure. I think that when we start to not feel well, people get they get upset, they get frustrated. I hear a lot like this idea that my body is so tired or my body hurts or my stomach is not working properly. I feel bloated and gassy and I can't figure out what to eat. And there's this antagonism, this fight between the body

and what your will, right? What you want. I have to drag myself out of bed. I have to do these things. And oftentimes in our culture, especially as women, we push. We push ourselves to do what we think we need to do, want to do, et cetera, and we're ignoring the messages of our body.

And I would liken it to, maybe let's think about our body as a toddler. So if you had a toddler saying, hey Courtney, Courtney, pay attention to me, right? What are you gonna do? Oh, honey, what do you need? You're going to like love on that kid and pay attention to it. But what do we do instead? We say, get away, kid.

Don't bother me. I don't want to hear what you have to say. I've got to do it my way. I'm going to ignore you. And why are we doing that? It seems, when we think about it that way, like our bodies are on our side. They always have been on our side.

And I think this really hit home for me when I was in the ICU during my training and trying to understand why people would get so sick and septic, you know, and they would nearly die and their blood pressure would bottom out and their body would get flooded with fluid because they were in a cytokine storm.

Their body was doing everything that it could to keep them alive. And I think, you know, when we're walking around, not feeling well, our bodies are doing the same thing and they're sending messages. And what happens when you don't listen to a message, it gets louder and louder and louder until you can't do anything, but follow that message, stay in bed, go see a doctor. So why do we have to wait? Why do we have to push?

Why do we have to sacrifice our bodies when they're just doing what they're trying to get our attention? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that's a great learning lesson because I I think, especially in our society these days, I've been having a lot of conversations recently about this where I just feel like we've normalized everyone, just not feeling well.

And so instead of people, and there's obviously, there's this whole new resurgence of health happening, and I think more and more people are waking up and asking questions, but so maybe I should talk about it in the past, but a lot of people still haven't woken up to this yet, where they just normalize it. It's like, oh, my parents are on all this medication,

and that's just what happens when you're older in age, or their joints are bothering them, or they have to get into a wheelchair now because they can't walk as well anymore. And I'm not saying that some of that stuff doesn't come with aging, but like it's happening on such a crazy level now with people. And even like in my generation, it's like, you know, oh, I just got diagnosed with diabetes or my mom just texted me a couple weeks ago, like one of our friends,

one of my friends from childhood has a kid who's like two and just got diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and I'm like what is happening here? Yeah like stuff like that where I'm just like this is not normal and we've normalized basically ignoring all the signs and symptoms of everything right? And where can we get to a place of honoring, listening to our body, loving our bodies and recognizing that like a lot of these symptoms that we're all just going through life with,

just being like, oh, that's just how it is. It's just what aging is like, actually learning to recognize, no, I need help, my body's trying to tell me something, because I'm of the mind, and I'm assuming that you are too, that our body really wants to be well. Yes. And it's designed and meant to be well.

Absolutely. And given the amount of environmental chemicals we have that we're exposed to on a regular basis, we have to do other things to help it along. And we have to listen to the messages that our bodies are sending us. You know, so that's a little bit about the reframe. And that's where we need to start, really. But then I also think that the symptoms can sometimes supply the key where we need to go. So for example, I had a woman who was diagnosed with thyroid cancer a couple of years

prior to coming in to see me. And she was British. And so she had that very proper, I'm not gonna step on anybody's toes idea. I'm not gonna speak up for myself. I'm not going to make a scene, be loud, anything like that. That was not part of her persona. And she was in business with a woman

who basically destroyed her persona. And she was in business with a woman who basically destroyed her business. And she said nothing. Isn't it interesting, the thyroid too. That's what I'm saying. So she said nothing for so long that I think that that really impacted her thyroid. And as we're talking, and I throw out this idea like, would you consider that there might be some issue here? It was like a light bulb went off in her head and she was blaming

all of her health issues from the thyroid cancer and why she didn't feel very well. But I think it was much bigger than that because she really wasn't being her authentic self. She wasn't speaking her truth in a way that was in alignment with who she needed to be. Right? She didn't have to be a jerk, but she had to speak up for herself. She needed to stop being a doormat. And hopefully she went and took care of that. And I think that since she's done that, her health has gotten better. Her fatigue has lifted. I mean, so many people are suffering from fatigue.

It's very tiring to live a lie and to not speak our truth. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yes. That is such an amazing example of, I mean, it's horrible and devastating, but like an amazing example of how sometimes symptoms or diseases can manifest in our body based off of things that we might be withholding in ourselves. Sure.

I mean, I know a lot of women have cardiovascular disease, but men are notorious for holding on to their emotions and to blocking the flow of their emotions. They're taught in our society, men don't cry, it's not okay to cry. And what do they end up with? Cardiovascular disease. Yeah. They literally are blocking their hearts. Oh my gosh. Wow. So sometimes our symptoms can not only mean that we need to pay attention,

but how we need to pay attention. Where, it's like the map, right? Where is the issue that you need to deal with? If you're having inflammatory bowel disease, are you giving all of your energy away? You know, most of the people that are patients with inflammatory bowel disease, they're people pleasers. They're all about taking care of everybody else.

And you just keep giving and giving and giving. And all of a sudden, well, you've got nothing left for you. Yeah. It's interesting. And I would argue that many in the allopathic conventional medical space are not making these connections at all, which is really unfortunate. I'm not sure functional doctors are either, honestly. That's fair.

I was trained. So I have my master's of science in nutrition and integrative health. And I was very much trained in this kind of thinking, in this kind of world, because this is what they call the integration, right, of the allopathic way, but also this holistic whole body mind spirit. It's the molding of the two that really helps you get to the root of whatever it is that you're dealing with or trying to uncover. And I think it's, in my opinion, I think it's just the best way to practice because you're

so right. I'm very spiritual and I believe that there's unseen things happening around us that can manifest in different ways in our bodies and we may not always make the connection consciously until someone else helps you have that aha moment. So it's so cool that you're not only practicing that with your patients, but also writing the books. I think it's incredible and just super helpful for people. Thank you.

Yeah, because sometimes somebody else needs, you know, I'm that way. I mean, with the dog, this is a perfect example, the dogs and the glyphosate. I needed someone else to start digging around in my life and go, okay, what do you do? You have dogs? You have that? And then I was like, oh yes, you know, and that's like a more simple connection,

but it's just like, sometimes people need help to kind of dig into those kinds of things, you know? Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, well, I just wanna say thank you so much for coming on today. You were amazing, you're helping me so much. I'm so grateful to be working with you also and you're so grateful for your help

in uncovering all these things that I've had a hard time figuring out. So thank you for that. You're welcome, Courtney. So happy to be of help. Yeah. And I also just want to give the listeners a moment for you to share where they can find you or they can find your work, maybe where they can stay in touch with you about your

book and yeah, all that. Okay. I have a brick and mortar practice in Southern California, in Costa Mesa. The practice is called The Spring Center. You have to put the T-H-E on to it. I learned that. Yeah, thespringcenter.com.

And I also have a website, drkellymccann.com, where I have blogs and you can find me on Instagram, at drkellym McCann. I have a gut health program coming out in June and I'm not sure when the book is coming out but please stay in touch and I'd love to be able to share that with everyone. Yeah and if you guys are near California or able to travel there and you're dealing with something that we were talking about today maybe reach out and and see if she can help you. So thank you guys so much for listening and

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