Realfoodology - Fertility After 30 - Tips For Boosting Fertility, Reducing Biological Age | Dr. Z

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

EP 220 In this episode of the Realfoodology podcast, we dive into a fascinating and informative conversation with Dr. Zagone, exploring the results of my Clockwize fertility test. As a 39-year-old navigating the misconceptions of "geriatric" pregnancies, I share my journey and the insights we've uncovered about fertility and aging. Dr. Z and I discuss my biological age, the pace of my aging, and the potential impacts of various toxins on fertility, including parabens and phthalates. Whether you're on a fertility journey or simply curious about reproductive health, this episode offers valuable information and hope for anyone considering parenthood.  Timestamps:  00:00:00 - Introduction 00:06:19 - Dr. Z’s Pregnancy Journey 00:08:59 - Dr. Z’s Fertility Lifestyle Changes 00:11:15 - Courtney’s Fertility Goals 00:13:24 - Biological Age Markers 00:15:38 - Steps to Improve Your Biological Age 00:20:10 - Handling Stress, Positive Self-Talk, and Mindfulness 00:20:01 - Mantras for Reducing Stress 00:23:29 - Supplement Recommendations 00:25:05 - Incidents That Accelerate Biological Age 00:26:49 - Aging Rate 00:32:17 - IVF Risk Factors 00:33:01 - Toxin Markers: BPA and BPF 00:37:37 - Phthalates and Parabens 00:40:43 - Importance of Clockwise Testing 00:41:46 - Limitations of Clockwise Testing 00:48:14 - Tips for Addressing Toxins 00:51:05 - Detoxing from Phthalates 00:53:29 - Hidden Plastic Linings in Your Food 00:57:31 - Overall Fertility Advice Show Links: 190: Reverse Your Biological Age + Hack Your Fertility | Dr. Z Sponsored By:  Organifi Go to www.organifi.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY for 20% Off Cured Nutrition Go to www.curednutrition.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY for 20% off ARMRA Collostrum  Get 15% off your first order at tryarmra.com/realfoodology Seed Go to https://seed.com/realfoodology and save 25% your first month with code 25REALFOODOLOGY BIOptimizers MagBreakthrough Get 10% off at bioptimizers.com/realfoodology with code REALFOODOLOGY LMNT Get your free Sample Pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at drinklmnt.com/realfoodology Check Out Dr. Z Instagram Clockwize Website Clockwize Instagram  Check Out Courtney: LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! @realfoodologypodcast @realfoodology www.realfoodology.com My Immune Supplement by 2x4 Air Dr Air Purifier AquaTru Water Filter EWG Tap Water Database  Produced By: Drake Peterson

on today's episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. Again, information is power. Once you know what the potential risks are, you can decide whether or not you want to eat the soup out of the plastic or not. One time in a year, maybe the risk is minimal and that's fine and you get to enjoy yourself. But it is the habits that you... It's the habits. It's the daily habits, the weekly habits, what you're doing consistently that really impact you in the long term. Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Swan. And today's episode is a really fun one. This is a different episode

than I have done before. Well, I've done one other one like this, but I'm sitting down with Dr. Zagoni and we are going over my clockwise results. Now, if you remember, I did an interview with her earlier this year, all about fertility. And so many of you wrote me on Instagram saying that you loved this episode because it's all about fertility and all of the things that we are not being told in the mainstream. For example, I am 39 years old. I am considered to be quote unquote geriatric if and when I get pregnant. And there's a lot of conversation that if you're having a child after 35, you're quote unquote too old, you're going to have so many complications. And Dr. Z and I had an amazing episode, which I highly encourage you to go back and listen to, all about all the things that mainstream has gotten wrong about, quote unquote,

geriatric pregnancies, and also all the things that we can do. There's actually a lot that we can do about our fertility, first and foremost, just because you are 39 does not mean that your DNA and your cells think that you are that age. So I did the clockwise fertility wise test with clockwise, and I brought Dr. Z back on to go over my results with you. So you guys are going to get to listen to what it sounds like to be in a one-on-one consultation with a naturopathic doctor going over results. We go over my true age, which is my biological age, the age of my cells and my DNA versus my chronological age. We also talk about my age speedometer, which is the pace of my aging. So like at what pace is my body actually aging? And then we go over the results of the different toxin exposures that

they test for. So for example, they test for parabens. They also test for BPA and BPF exposure, and then a bunch of different classes of phthalates. So this was an awesome episode. I loved it so much. I think you guys are going to get so much value out of this. And I hope that it helps anyone out there that's struggling, or if you want to get pregnant someday and you're hoping to not struggle, I believe that this episode is for everyone that is hoping to be a parent someday. It is so informative. I also just want to take a moment to say that if you are currently on a fertility journey and you are struggling, my heart goes out to you. I know a lot of people are struggling right now, so you are definitely not alone. And I'm hoping that this episode gives you a lot of hope because there are a lot of things that can be done.

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to that first because we really dive into fertility. We talk a lot about infertility and what's been going on with women. So if you're struggling in any way, or if you're like me, and you're close to your 40s, I'm 39 and you're concerned that you missed your window to have children, go back and listen to that episode because it gave me a lot of hope and a lot of science-backed research to back it up. And I'm just, I'm so stoked to have you back. Awesome. Thank you so much, Courtney. It's such a pleasure to be here. Yeah. Well, first of all, you're pregnant. Oh, can I say that? Yeah, totally. It's public knowledge.

I was like, oh shoot. I hope she's announced it. Okay. Yay. I'm so happy for you. That's so amazing. Thank you. That's so exciting. And I'm happy to share more of my story. If you if you're curious. Um, you know, being in this industry, there was definitely like pressure, like, am I going to struggle? I'm'm 37 my husband's 46 um and you know not most cases don't go this way but we did conceive very easily on the first try and thank you um and i know that a lot of it had to do with like the fact that i've been preparing my body for years at this point uh and that i made my husband test three months before our wedding, like I made him do a semen analysis, which was not the most fun thing to do for him, of course, but he was willing

and, and we did blood work and all of that. So we prepped, we were focused, we set the intention, and we were very grateful. We're very grateful that this little one has come in. And we also recently found out we're having a boy. Oh, congratulations. That's so exciting. Thank you. Oh, that is so incredible. I mean, that should give every listener hope. It definitely gives me hope of being 39 because all we hear is like, oh, you're geriatric and you're going to struggle. And we're here to tell you that it doesn't necessarily have to be a struggle. And there's also things that you can do. And there's a lot of tools that you can have that you can put into place to ensure that it doesn't necessarily have to be a struggle. And there's also things that you can do. And there's a lot of tools that you can have, um, that you can put into place to ensure that it's easier than they say that it's going to be. And you're living proof of that. And that's why your

company is so amazing clockwise. So the reason that I brought Dr. Z back today is because we're going to go over my results. So I did the test with them and I figured that it'd be fun to go over in real time, the results with you guys. So one, you guys can see what the process looks like, what exactly they test for, what it tells you. And yeah, just to give you a little like insider peek into how it all works. Yeah. Before we dive into it, is there anything else that you wanted to say about like, as

far as, I don't know, are there certain things that you did that you feel like really, really made a difference to make it a lot easier for you to get pregnant? Yeah. The things that I, I really had to change in my life leading up to when we were planning on conceiving, um, I actually decreased my workload pretty considerably by about half. And I knew that stress was like my biggest,mesis. And also when I felt into it from a spiritual perspective, I barely had time for myself. How was I going to have time for a baby? And so I made the choice and I'm blessed that I was able to do this and was able to cut back my hours and it didn't...

And financially we were able to to make that work um because i knew that my body needed that because i have been going like hardcore type a built of practice in la um built you know building this startup i've been non-stop for my entire career and that's like 11 years at this point so um so i made sure i had a couple of months to, to chill the F out. And, um, and with that, I also, every morning would go out on the back porch and drink my little like morning mushroom coffee, get some morning sunlight, put my feet in the earth and really just reconnected to nature. Um, and, and that's something that the less work and the reconnecting to nature, aren't things that we necessarily spell out in like our recommendations for people. Like we're talking about decreasing stress and we talk about,

um, you know, sleep and that sort of thing. But, you know, some of, some of their, the very foundational basics that allow our physiology as women to really thrive were the two things that I think, you know, made the biggest difference. And I wasn't taking a ton of supplements and I, you know, I was, we i was we were eating well but um those were the things that i think really allowed it to happen very easily for us that's so amazing i also just feel like you were literally speaking to me in that moment because that's something i admittedly really struggle with and i've been struggling with trying to reduce my workload for a while so it it's a good reminder that, uh, that's probably should be something I need to focus on more. Um, yeah. Okay. So, well, let's, well, first of all, thank you for sharing that. I think it's going to be super helpful for a lot of women and let's

dive into this test. And again, I want to remind you, go back and listen to this first episode. If you guys are a little bit lost and confused on what we're going over, cause we go over more in depth about what this actually is. Um, But I did the clockwise fertility test and I'll let you just kind of start if you want to start, like we'll kind of go through all the results. Yeah. And before we get there, I'd love to ask you because, you know, we use this test to help women plan their lives and their fertility. So I'm curious, where are you with if you want to be a mama and when you want to be a mama? Yeah, so I'm very clear on this. In fact, Hector and I, we actually broke up for a little bit of period of time, which I don't know if I've ever shared that publicly.

And the main reason was because he was expressing a little bit of uncertainty around kids and like when he wanted them. And I had expressed pretty early on, early on in our relationship that as much as I loved him and cared about him, that if he was not on board to be a dad and kind of soon ish that I had to leave because that has been my desire since I was four years old. I know that I need, I know that I'm supposed to be a mom and I really want to be a mom. And so we broke up for a little bit of period of time, which is actually right when you and I connected, which is so interesting. Then we, so we had kind of a break and then we both had realizations. One being that he came back and was basically like, you know what,

I'm willing to speed up my timeline if it means that I'm not going to lose you. And since then, I mean, he's like fully on board now, which is really cool. Like he's not like, oh, I don't know. Like he's fully like we were in Telluride like two weeks ago and he was like, oh my God, I just, I can see our kids running up and down these streets. And I was like, did you just say that? I love it. Oh, like I'm going to cry thinking about it. So we're fully on board with that. We just got engaged like two weeks ago. Congratulations. Thank you. I'm very excited about that. So we are planning on getting married. Hopefully next June is the plan. And then we are hopefully going to get pregnant like right after that is, is the plan. So yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. So, um, so this test is a great test for you to have

done. Cause it gives us an idea of how fast your biological clock is ticking. We're looking at the age of your cells, your biological age, which is different than chronological age, the age based on your birthday, just to remind everyone. And so I've got your results pulled up right in front of me. So the first marker we do look at is that biological age marker. And we use a marker that's based off of DNA methylation, also called epigenetics. And this particular marker in this particular, let's say algorithm, this pattern that we're looking at, the reason we chose this one and not any of the other, you know, biological age testing methods out there is because this one is connected to

fertility outcomes in the research. And so, you know, I just share that this number does matter. And so your chronological age at the time of taking this test was 39. And your biological age, the age of your cells came back at 42.25. Which, let me share this really fast. I was really shocked by. And this was the one I was expecting to come back really low because I did another test with Function Health, and it came back that I was 24. So then when I got this, I was like, wait, what? But we'll dive more into that.

So yeah. Yeah. And different, like I said, different types of testing. I think Fun function bases their number off of the blood biomarkers. So still important for your health, but this particular marker is looking at what your DNA is saying is your cellular age. Um, and most people, I would say 90 plus percent of, of women and men who take our test come back older. And most people are not happy about that.

Yeah, I was not stoked. Yeah. And unfortunately, a lot of people go into denial and then don't end up taking action. But that's the opposite of what should happen here. Information is power. And this is just a baseline. So everything is reversible. And it's also helpful to know where this number comes from. So about 30% of this number is going to be genetic. There's not a

whole lot we can do about it. But what that does mean is 70% of it, there's a lot we can do about it. And the things that we look at to improve this number are going to be food, which I'm, we're just going to assume that you've got that all perfect. I'm not even going to ask questions on that. I hope so. I know what's up. The second would be fasting. Do you practice any fasting at all? I do. Actually, I practice something that I call intuitive intermittent fasting. And so depending on how my body feels when I wake up in the morning is going to depend on how long I fast for. So I, and I've noticed that it's interesting. It kind of lines up with my menstrual cycle, like pretty beautifully as I'm gearing up to start my period, I've noticed that I'm

significantly hunger and I hung more hungry and I need more calories. And so on those days I'm waking up and I'm eating pretty much about an hour or so after I wake up. But on the days right after my period, all of a sudden, my hunger is just like it goes down pretty significantly. And so those are the days that I wake up. And let's say I usually wake up around 7 AM. I probably won't eat until 11, noon.

And I'll have coffee with like a little bit of like coconut milk creamer in there just to like keep, you know, my blood sugar stable. But I just, yeah, I try to practice intermittent fasting when I can. And I usually stop eating dinner at the very latest by like 8 PM, but it's usually, I usually eat around like 6 30. Okay. So for the future, when you're actually trying to conceive, I would recommend making sure you get a good breakfast in. Okay.

Still listen to your body. So maybe it's a little bit less, but we want to make sure we're sending, you know, the nutrient and there's abundance in the environment. Okay. I love that. And then fitness wise, what do you do for exercise? So I am doing now, actually, since we last spoke, I've started incorporating more strength training in. So I'm doing two weeks or sorry, two days out of the week.

I'm doing this booty class, like a strength training where we lift weights and it's primarily focused on like butt and glutes. And then two days I go to Pilates and then the rest of the week I'm either walking or I'm going on a hike. So I try to do like a mixture of a bunch of different workouts. Amazing. Fantastic. I love it. You're hitting frequency.

You're hitting the different types. That's all super supportive for rewinding the clock. So food, fasting, and fitness are probably not the reasons your age came back a little bit higher. So let's look at some other ones. Um, how about stress? Stress I think is my number one biggest hurdle that I deal with it probably in life. Okay. That's a big one. Yeah. Um, and what is your internal self-talk like? So it depends on the day that you catch me on. Cause I kind of oscillate

back and forth between, um, extreme gratitude for my life, for my health, for where I'm at in my life. Um, and then the other internal talk is, um, I'm very hard on myself. I'm not doing enough. I should be doing more. I'm not helping people enough. Um, I always feel like there's more that I could be doing because I feel like, because the work that I do is so passion driven and I want to help so many people that I often feel like I'm not doing enough or like showing up enough. And so I kind of like berate myself for that. And I'm like, you should be doing more and you know, you need to have more energy and more time to do this, which I know is silly, but yeah.

Very common, very normal. Maybe, maybe not the most helpful and supportive. It's definitely not. Very normal. I'm really trying to practice to be, I'm practicing, I'm trying to practice being more mindful of when those messages come in to just be kind and compassionate with myself and be like courtney you're human you're doing your best but yeah it's hard sometimes definitely and i think there's there's kind of like two avenues to look at one is the in the moment like re-coaching yourself and the other is like

is there something from the past from childhood that's creating this sense of, of either not enoughness or not doing enoughness, um, that could be healed or cleared or something along those lines there may, or there, there may not be, um, but some things to consider in your, in your journey. Um, can I offer a mantra that's kind of like coming through in this moment? Yeah, I would love that. Yeah. So sometimes mantras work for some people. It's not the, you know, it's not one thing for everybody. But of course, I was like scrolling on Instagram the other day and a Bashar video came up. Do you watch any of the Bashar? I don't think so. It's like a, we're going to get real woo-woo real quick here.

I'm here for it. Like a channeled message from a being, Bashar. Okay, cool. And I can't remember the guy's name who channels this being. But, and I only, you know, I always take what resonates and leave the rest. But what he was saying is that the most powerful mantra on the planet is, I am who I am, and that is enough. So if that resonates, if that's helpful, you're welcome to use it. I love that. Okay. So we know stress is a top priority. Stress is definitely

a significant accelerator of that biological age for a lot of people. And even the negative thinking specifically is listed by True Diagnostic, our lab, as a contributing factor to accelerated biological age. So some very clear areas that we can already, you know, rewind. Yeah. How's your sleep? So I've had an interesting relationship with sleep. It's a lot better now. but for a long time, because of the work that I was doing before I was in health and nutrition, when I was working with bands, my sleep was all over the place because we never had a consistent schedule. We were flying in between time zones.

We were flying from Europe to Australia, back to the US, like my basically long winded way of saying my body and my circadian rhythm was really messed up for a long time, which is also what I think is probably contributing to that, because I've really been working on this for the last couple of years, like rewiring, trying to get myself back on like a more natural circadian rhythm. Now I would say I struggle a little bit here and there with the sleep. But for the most part, I'm going to bed by like, I mean, I'm in bed sometimes at like 830 or 9pm, which is my dream. I love it. And I'm getting up, like I said, around like seven, like 637. And it's getting better. Yeah. Awesome. And how is your light usage? Like, are you avoiding screens before bed? Are you getting some sunlight in the morning? Yeah. So I do both. So even before, well, no, I've had my dog for a while, but, um, I've, I was already doing this anyways, just cause I have a dog. So I'm naturally letting

our dogs out in the morning, every morning. And so I just go out with them and I get sunlight in my eyes. Um, and then at night I started doing this about maybe like two, two and a half years ago where at night after the sun goes down, I don't use any of the overhead fluorescent lights. I use all like, um, Amber lights in my house. Oh, I love it. And it's really helped me cause it's helped like signal the melatonin. And also it's just like a really sexy vibe. Like it just kind of feels like everything is candle lit and I, I love it. Amazing. A plus, A plus. Yay. How about supplementation? I would imagine you've probably got a long list of things you take. I do. I actually just started seeing this new doctor recently and we were both laughing because I lugged it. He was like, just bring in all your

supplements. I lugged in this massive bag of supplements. And he helped me pare them down a little bit. So yeah, I take a lot. But we're working on bringing them down a little bit. Awesome. Yeah. No supplement overwhelm, please. And I'll just speak to some of the big supplements we see that can improve biological age are making sure you've got the right methylation nutrients on board your folate, your B12.

NAD can be really helpful or those precursors. You know, if you're going to be supplementing with some organs like grass-fed beef livers, fantastic for rewinding the biological clock. I never put supplements as a top priority. These are like, you know, the icing on the cake at the very end. So we don't need to dive too much into that. Um, okay, cool. And then toxins we'll take a look, we'll take a look a little further down on your toxin panel to, to look at those, but those can absolutely contribute to an older biological age and then, um, trauma can contribute. Yeah. Do you, do you have any significant trauma that you're aware of? I have very significant trauma that we don't have to go into depth because I've actually talked about it a lot on this podcast, but yeah, I lost both of my, my siblings when I was younger at separate times in my life. So,

um, a lot of my adult life has been, um, through a lot of therapy, EMDR, um, psilocybin journeys. Like I've, I've expressed, or I've shared all of this with my my listeners all the different modalities of healing that I've gone through and I think when you have tragedies like that you never fully get over them but I've come a long way from where I once was with them for sure wow thank you so much for sharing. Yeah. Thank you. So interestingly enough, a study just came out at the end of July in Nature that connected grief specifically with the loss, two or more losses of a close family member in childhood or early adolescence showed an accelerated biological age via DNA methylation. Is that not the craziest thing, like the timing of the whole thing right now? That's really wild. Also, if we had recorded this earlier, that may have not come out yet,

which is also really wild. And I would have never heard. I probably wouldn't have heard that. Wow. Well, it checks out for me because I lost my sister when I was eight and then I lost my little brother when I was 21. So it was earlier in childhood, especially with my sister. Yeah. So, so that could have been part of, part of that age acceleration. Wow. And then, and then the last piece that we haven't quite gotten to yet would be what I call associated conditions. So these would be other medical things that contribute. You know, and you had actually sent me all the other labs that you had run and you had a lot of stuff run. A lot looked really good. We did find a little H. pylori, which you were aware of and you were working on. And there is a connection between H. pylori and biological age acceleration,

also connection between H. pylori and some fertility struggles in some research. Wow. In fact, I've had a handful of couples where really all we did was kill off the H. pylori and heal the gut. And that's what got them pregnant. So I'm so glad you handled that like way back when. Me too. But now like getting a little bit more of your history, I think the stress and trauma piece are probably the biggest contributing factors to that older biological age. And it doesn't mean that number won't reverse, but I want to go to our second marker now, because I think

that is, it definitely is a more accurate marker of all the lifestyle things that you're doing in this moment. So our second marker is called the Dunedin PACE marker, Dunedin PACE algorithm. It's out of Duke University. And this is what's being used in the rejuvenation Olympics, which is like the aging, the anti-aging Olympics right now. And it's a very accurate reflection of what you're doing in this moment. And it's very sensitive and it's going to change very quickly based on the changes that you make in the day to day. Whereas the biological age marker, that first one takes a little bit longer to change. So I like this and I call it the aging speedometer because we can retest, you know, in a month and see if those changes that we made, you know, are helping you, hurting you or not doing anything and stop

wasting your money on those supplements kind of thing. and so your dunadin pace came back at 0.7 and so the range is 0.6 to 1.4 1.0 is you're aging at the same rate as time so you can get 0.7 so you're aging slower than time pretty considerably which means all the all the lifestyle stuff that you're doing right now, you're right on point. In fact, Brian Johnson, who's like, I think the number one reverse ager in the world or whatever title they're giving, and also spends like $2 million a year on this aging thing, his genetic pace was 0.64. So you're hopefully spending a lot less money and almost as well as him. Wow. Okay. That just made my day. That's crazy. I'm definitely not, I wish I had 2 million to spend on my health. Well, you don't need it. You're good. Wow. That's so cool. Yeah. So,

so celebrate that. That's fantastic. And then we're going to go look at your toxins. So this is not the most comprehensive toxin panel on the planet. I wish we could figure out how to do that via a finger prick at home. But we look at nine fertility toxins that have been shown to accelerate ovarian aging, meaning age your ovaries faster specifically, and also have been shown to cause like decreased success rates with things like egg freezing and IVF, meaning fewer eggs, fewer embryos, poorer quality embryos, et cetera. And it also is crazy to me that more IVF clinics are not utilizing this research because there's a ton of research on it.

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IVF process without even just communicating to women that this is also a huge risk factor and could also make your IVF experience a lot more viable and a lot easier too. So it's just maddening to me that they don't really talk about this on a large scale and women are just going through IVF and maybe having to do multiple rounds and are, you know, struggling and my heart goes out to them and they're not even communicating this to them. Yeah. We're working on the paradigm shift. We really are. Yes. Love it. It's starting to hope. There's hope. So the toxins we look at, we have a paraben marker, we have a tubus phenol marker. So that's going to be your BPA and BPF.

And then we have six different phthalates. And our results show either an N for not present or not exposed. You're not currently being exposed or a P for present or you are currently being exposed to that toxin. And so also I'll say we haven't had any results come back yet with zero toxins. Even our cleanest living people come back with at least one, usually two.

And so my coaching for everyone around this is it kind of, you don't go neurotic, like sanity first. You do your best. You do what you can with the avoidance. You support your body in processing these things efficiently. We also have evidence that certain nutrients help mitigate any of the, not all of the negative effect, but really help mitigate the negative effect of some of these exposures. So take away hope. And that again, information is power. If there's a few tweaks you can make, great. You know, and take it in holistically. If there's a lot of things to get rid of, you got to clean some stuff up. If there's a few things, you may or may not find the source. And

sometimes that can be frustrating, but it is what it is. So Courtney, for you, you did not come back with parabens. So that's great. Thank God. Bisphenol. So no BPA. Woohoo. However, you did come back with BPF, which I call it BPA's toxic sister. Yeah. For people listening that maybe not, may not know this, if you're using things that say BPA free, but it's still plastic, chances are it probably was replaced with BPF. And I'm I this one I was actually shocked by because I've been pretty aware of that. I'm wondering if I'm getting this from canned sparkling waters so i was gonna ask about like canned goods can canned usage because a lot of those cans say non-bpa lining um especially like the good organic ones and that doesn't mean they're not it doesn't mean they don't have bpf yeah

so that's something i have i have since been on a journey um since we did this test of and not even because of this because of other things I found out that all these aluminum cans the sparkling waters are coming in your sodas I mean hopefully now people are not drinking sodas but even olipop I love olipop but all these aluminum cans have plastic liners in them yep oh it's like never ending but it's also doable there's a a lot of, I'm starting to find more companies that do sparkling water and glass. So I'm just starting to buy that instead. Fantastic. Now just watch for the PFAs. Sorry. I don't want to make you go crazy. Oh yeah. No, it's true though. The PFA, the PF, um, wait. Yeah. The PFASs.

Yep. I was like, wait. Yeah. Um. And then also just a reminder on the toxins, which I believe we spoke about this last time. But, you know, so we're looking at it from a conception standpoint of, you know, we want to decrease ovarian aging. We want to improve success with egg freezing or IVF if somebody goes that route. But when these toxins are showing up as present, we're looking at epigenetics. We're looking at the switches that are turning genes on and off. So what this is really saying is that BPF is in your system and it's turning a gene on or off. And so it's altering gene expression. Some of these gene switches get passed down in our eggs. Yeah. Which is concerning. Yeah. So, but again, I'm trying to not be Debbie

Downer doomsday planner. There's a lot of hope, do your'll, let's keep going. So that's our best friend goals. Then we've got our phthalates. And you had the MBZP came back present and then your MEHP came back medium, which is pretty standard. Like the reason for the MEHP, it's basically low, medium or high because none of the samples that were tested in the studies to create, you know, the correlation between the urine levels of these things and the DNA testing that we're doing, none of the samples had zero amounts in them. Interesting. So I'm curious. So the, the, the BPFs, I know where those, well, I don't know if definitively where it's coming from me, but I know kind of examples of like where you get BPFs. Do you know examples of where people

might be possibly getting or myself be getting like MBZPs and then the MEHPs? Like where are those found? Do you know? So I haven't been able to track the specific metabolites to like a specific type of plastic or fragrance. Um, there may be research out there that I haven't seen yet. There may be somebody, actually I should talk to Asha, my pregnancy safe cosmetics lady. But, um, the way I typically tell, you know, everybody's like, there's a lot of places that plastics are hiding and we have microplastics in our body. So, you know, is it, nobody has studied this yet, but like, could this level be reflecting the microplastic, the credit card of microplastic

that we're taking in at whatever interval that's possible. Um, and then similarly with fragrances, but maybe a little more obvious, you know, I also am looking to try and figure out, you know, if I walk through a Nordstrom in the mall and I pass through the fragrance aisle, just because I have to get to somewhere else, like how impacted am I by that? If I did that the day before I got the test run. Um, I wonder about that too. Yeah. So, so there are some confounding, compounding factors to think about. I was trying to do a quick Google search and just trying to see if anything came up. And I ended up on EWG.org. So it says the first one that I mentioned, monobenzol phthalate, which is one of the ones that I have exposure to.

It says a breakdown product of this phthalate used in vinyl flooring, car care products, and some cosmetics. So that's good to know. And then the other one, let's see if this one says any, this one isn't showing anything. I'll look it up later. And if I can find anything, I'll add it in the, either in the show notes or like in the intro. But yeah, I was just curious. I'll actually email Afshan and see if she has specifics on those two okay yeah that'd be awesome just so that people know uh so were there other ones from that because i have a couple questions regarding this let's see um those were the only two phthalates that showed up for you and that's essentially the end of the report so we did your biological age we did your speedometer, and we did your toxin panel.

And then the rest of the report, which I don't know if you've had time to go through or not, but essentially the questions that I asked in the beginning with your biological age are all the things we look at for recommendations of what to do to reverse that biological clock and also for toxin avoidance. So good resources. And we've actually just built out more resources on our platform. And now everybody who takes our test actually gets a free one-on-one consultation with our functional medicine practitioner. Amazing. Yeah. I mean, I just, I love what you were doing with this company. It's incredible. And like I said a little while ago, not a lot of people are talking this, talking about this on a large scale.

It's starting to happen a little bit. But I feel like mainstream is still not fully aware of this. Like I feel like often, you know, somebody gets, um, uh, I don't know if you'd call it a diagnosis, but I'm going to call it a diagnosis of like infertility. And then they're having to go through IVF. And many times they'll go through the whole process without anyone even having a conversation about any of this with them. You know, what's your diet look like? What are you being exposed to? So I think it's incredibly important that you're doing this. And it's also why I wanted to bring

you on the podcast and why I wanted to go through the results with, um, with you so that everybody could hear, because I think this is so important. And so many women are struggling with this right now. And, and also too, for the women, um, listening that are, that maybe are struggling, don't forget your husband or sorry, not your, your man or your, your partner exactly, um, are also involved in this. So don't forget to get them tested as well, because it's, it may not even be you. Um, so it's a good reminder to get everybody involved and tested. Definitely. And I also want to speak to some of the limitations of this test. So this is best for women and couples who know they want to be parents someday. And it may not be right now and are planning for the future and have the time to do the

things to make the changes to rewind the clock so that they can hopefully get pregnant easily when it's time. And a healthier cellular, a better cellular health, a lower biological age, or a lower Dunedin pace algorithm does translate across the board to healthier hormones, lower inflammation, some of these other hallmarks of aging that also impact fertility. But I also want to just make sure that we speak to some of the things that this test can't test for because sometimes people struggle for years and it could have been an easy thing. They could have tested something else and had their answer very quickly. And I share this because I just saw a couple that had been trying for about 18 months

and he had had a semen analysis, but it wasn't even read properly. Like he, there were there, let's just say there was an issue with the semen. And also she didn't know if she really had any, um, fertile cervical mucus. And, you know, if in his case, the semen was too thick and didn't get to the right consistency for the sperm to actually get out of the semen and into the reproductive tract. And if she doesn't to the right consistency for the sperm to actually get out of the semen and into the reproductive tract. And if she doesn't have the right cervical mucus to get those sperm up where they need to go, where fertilization actually happens, it can make fertility very challenging.

It can make conception very challenging. And both, you know, blood work-wise look really healthy and, you know, a lot looks fantastic. But it's like if there's something very specific that's holding you back, if that specific thing is not addressed, you can suffer for years. And I share this because one, I don't want people to suffer, but it's the importance of getting a really thorough workup and also working with a functional medicine practitioner. And sometimes that's in combination with a conventional fertility clinic to get a semen analysis done,

although there's at-home testing for that now too, which is fantastic. So there's a lot of things to look at, and the earlier you start and prepare, the easier it is and the more time that you have. And so Courtney, I just want to acknowledge you for starting early, planning ahead, and also just for as much as you've taken care of yourself over the years

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going to be this. I mean, none of us know, right. But I, I always thought I was going to be like a younger mom, you know, and here I am at 39 and it's totally fine. I've made my peace with my journey. Everybody has a different journey and I'm, it's taken me longer to find my person for whatever reason. And that's okay. But I'm just so grateful because had I not paid so attention to taking care of my health, who knows where I would be right now, you know, and I'm just so grateful that, I mean, and I'm just so grateful that I mean, obviously, nobody's perfect. There's some things in here that I need to work on. But I am grateful that overall, I've really taken care of my health. And this is a message for

my younger listeners that even if you know, you don't want to be a mom for, you know, 10 years or so, like, it is so imperative that you take care of your health now, because you've never you just never know what's going to happen in the future. not to mention too I mean your vitality and longevity and your overall experience on earth is all dependent on your overall health you know like there's so many different factors that are improved just by taking care of your health so it's not just about fertility it's about many things. 100%. Super grateful. Yeah. I did want to ask you, so because I do have these couple, I know we had kind of talked about this a little bit before, but I want to reiterate this for the listeners.

What would be your advice as far as like, if I wanted to maybe try to tackle these toxins? I mean, I know it's so hard to pinpoint it, but what would be your advice as far as like knowing that I'm being exposed to some of this, like, um, yeah, what would be your advice to address some of these toxins if it's even possible? Yeah. I mean, one, one thing to consider is you might want to just retest first and see if there's still an issue. Um, or do you could, you could also do a different toxin test, like a urine test and just see, you know, what in this moment,

cause these results are a little bit older at this point. So that's one thing, but typically the, so you did mention cosmetics. So, you know, and the phthalates are a particularly insidious group because they're in, they're in so many different types of, of products and chemicals and, and, and yeah. And they're in the packaging. I mean, it's the phthalates are scary. They're concerning. Yes. So, so they are

what make the plastic more flexible. So I think, you know, when I was in naturopathic medical school, I think one of our professors actually pulled out like a roll of like the glad, um, what was it? I mean, it's the plastic wrap. Oh yeah. The plastic wrap, like saran wrap. Saran wrap. Yeah. That's what it is. And I was like, here is, here is like all the phthalates right now. Breathe them in. Um, like as a joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. Um, I mean, I haven't even bought that stuff in like 10 years and I'm so grateful. Yeah. I'm so glad we have like so many alternatives these days, like the beeswax wraps and the glass and silicone and all that sort of fun stuff. But, um, one,

I would just say, start to notice what you use on a daily basis everything you touch everything you put in your mouth on your face on your skin um and and just start to get curious and notice could there be some sort of like plastic component to this thing in this thing and that's hard because we've got supplement bottles you know that are plastic yeah and you know is this com are the phthalates coming from those probably not because again the more flexible something is typically the more phthalate-y exposure is going to happen. That's not a very scientific term. I got the point across though. Vinyl flooring, for example, was like the other thing you listed on that one. And that's because of that's like there's the vinyl, the plastic compound. There's other off gassing chemicals that come from vinyl flooring that are pretty awful as well. You know what I'm wondering?

I got a new car last year and I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm wondering if there's maybe a connection there. And, you know, and this goes back to like what we were kind of saying in the beginning, it's like, look, you do the best you can there. You can't control everything. You know, I'm not going to not get a new car when I need one. So, um, it's just about being mindful and you know, I'm sure people listening are going to wonder this for phthalates. Can we detox those? Like, I know we can sauna and we can do certain things, but like, I think part of the concern is that they're a little bit harder to get rid of. Am I wrong? Um, so always avoidance is number one. Um, and then let me just double check this really

quick. Cause I have a little bit of pregnancy brain in this moment. So here's an article that says they are rapidly metabolized and excreted in urine, not accumulated within the body. Okay, that's good. That's good. So they should be non-persistent. So they should be non-persistent. They should be metabolized and excreted once the exposure stops. You know, one of the things I've learned is that, you know, all science is evolving. And so sometimes, you know, like is evolving and so sometimes you know like

let's talk molds for example you know one of the trainings that I originally did learning about like mold toxicity and mold exposure said you know all these certain types of molds are you know excreted from the body within a certain amount of time so it shouldn't show up if you know if the exposure was in the if it shows up the exposure is current is basically what that was saying. And then I did another training, you know, two years later, and this training was like, no, absolutely. They're, they're stored in the fatty tissue of the body and you can see in they're bound to albumin and, you know, and a little bit is, you know, mycotoxin specific perhaps,

but it's interesting that, you know, science evolves, information evolves. And so, you know, supporting the routes of elimination, urination, bowel movements, breath, drainage, lymphatic system, sweating, yep. So getting, you know, so number one, avoidance, two, drainage, opening the routes of elimination, and then three, perhaps supporting nutrients or supporting liver more specifically with herbs, nutrients, etc. Or supporting kidneys more specifically, if that's how it's eliminated. So amazing, that's super helpful. You know, another thing I just thought of that might be helpful for the listeners when I was living in LA. So just for to give everybody context as to where we are right now, depending on when you listen to this podcast,

I was living in LA when I got this test done. And I have since moved to Denver with my fiance. I was admittedly eating an air one, like almost every day. And the reason I bring this up is because those boxes that you get your food in and you get, you get a lot of the food hot there, they're aligned with plastic. And I just thought of this. I was like, Hmm, I wonder if that was also maybe contributing to that too. So a reminder that if you are getting a lot of takeout to be a little bit more mindful of that, maybe see if like you can, I don't know, have them put it in glass or I don't know what the workaround is in that, but just something to be mindful of for everybody listening.

Definitely. I think the worst example is like, you know, and I've definitely done this. You order Thai food and you get this like hot acidic, thin plastic like container that's about to fall apart. And I'm sure that's just like plastic soup that you're eating. But we forget that even the healthy places, you know, whether it's the regular plastic container, or whether it's the box that if it were actually paper, the food would seep right through. So you know, there's got to be plastic lining it. That's a really good reminder, really good reminder for everybody. Yeah, I actually posted about that last week on my stories because i was um hector and i were craving pho really bad and i was i couldn't first of all i couldn't even find a healthy place in denver that would deliver because we were getting home late from traveling

and i was like oh do i really want to cook all this from scratch right now and i was like okay i can't find anything that has healthy ingredients and then i was like you know what what i don't want to do this anyways because i know it's going to come in one of those big plastic tubs, it's going to be piping hot, and in plastic. And we know that when you heat up plastic, that it causes all those chemicals to leach out. And I know it's really it's, it's such a bummer, you know, but it's also something that people need to be aware of. Yeah, you know, choice you it. And it's, again, information is power. Like, once you know, what the potential risks are, you can decide whether or not you want to eat the soup out of the plastic or not. And maybe one time in a year, maybe that's worth, you know, maybe the risk is minimal, and that's fine. And you get to enjoy yourself. But it is the habits that you, it's the habits, it's the daily habits, the weekly habits, what you're doing consistently that really impact you in the long term. 100%. If you were ordering Thai food once a year and you get that piping hot plastic soup,

I'm not worried about you because I do it too. But it's more about if you're ordering that five nights a week, I would maybe try to reconsider that. Um, yeah, exactly. Okay. So, okay. There's one more thing I want to say, and then I kind of want to wrap this up, but, um, I'm reading actually in your test that it says, uh, EGCG from green tea, which is famously in matcha green tea helps to protect against certain toxin induced damage. So I have been drinking matcha every single day, actually, since I did this test, uh, because of the antioxidant properties. So it's just another reminder that there's little things that we can do, things that we can take that can at least help protect our bodies to be a little bit more resilient to these things. Because again, I want to remind their listener that nobody's going to

be perfect. You have said this several times on this call or on this podcast today that everybody is coming back with exposures, even the people that are being the most diligent. So the point of this whole episode is not to make you live in fear or to have you go just absolutely insane about every product and every food and everything that you're putting in and on your body. It's more just to help you become aware. And if there is something that you are struggling with, like for example, fertility,

hopefully maybe this will shine some light on something that can help you. But this is certainly not meant to make you live in fear. It's just a good reminder that there's a lot of things we can do. And then there's some things that we can't control. And sadly in this modern world, we're all getting exposed to this stuff, you know?

So we're all just doing the best we can. Yeah. So I just wanted to remind women of that. And then I wanted to end asking you, OK, so now that we've gone over everything and you've given some really amazing advice, what would be kind of your takeaways as far as like after seeing my results, like what would be maybe your top advice for me moving forward? Yeah, I would say you're doing a lot of things right. I think the biggest areas for reversal are going to be in the self-talk. And, you know, I don't know if there's more to do around the trauma or not. That's something that you kind of have to decide if you feel like there is or not. But I think the decreasing overall stress, so if that's work related, if that's the self-talk

related, I think that's probably the most impactful change you could make. And our biggest epigenetic input is really our thoughts because we're getting however many millions of those inputted into our system on a daily basis. And I think that overpowers a little bit of toxin exposure, to be quite honest. So for you, I would just focus on being as gentle and sweet and nourishing for yourself as you nurturing and nourishing as you can and keep doing all the amazing work that you're doing. And I would maybe say, and this is a little bit more of like an intuitive share as opposed to like, this is what your labs say, but, but I would say, um, okay. So the words that are coming through are take your hands off the wheel a little bit.

That is like the most real thing somebody has said to me in a long time. Okay. I'm listening. I hear you. I don't know, but I don't, I love it. I love it. I think your top priority is reversing that top number right now. I think your top priority is how can you get into the energetics of fertility when it, for when it's time. And maybe that's not a right now like maybe that's a future thing but um starting to feel into what does that mean for you and what does that feel like for you because i find the energetics are very powerful and i wish there were a way we could actually test that maybe somebody will figure that out one day maybe i'll figure that out one day that Maybe I'll figure that out. That'd be awesome. But I would say for

you, it's not about more work and more things to do right now. It's about, okay, enjoy the journey. You've worked so hard. You're doing so amazing. Enjoy it. Focus on what you want to feel like in those energetics of conception. What is that for you? And, and decrease that stress piece as much as you can and improve that self-talk. That's what I would say for you. Amazing. Thank you. Let's just say that very much resonates. Good.

I'm glad. Without having to share too many details, it very much resonates. Well, we went over all my questions. And I just want to say thank you so much. I'm so grateful for your time and I'm sure all the listeners are grateful that you went through all this with me because I think it's pretty cool to hear what the whole process looks like. And hopefully people took away takeaways that may be able to help them on their fertility journey. And then if you want to just share everybody with everybody where they can find you and then also where they can find the test if they want to do it. Yep. So clockwise.com clockwise with a Z because I'm Dr.

Z and Instagram. We're at clockwise fertility and I'm at DR Zagoni and we're excited to help shift the paradigm. We're excited to help more women and more couples. We're excited to help all these little babies come in. And I'm so grateful to be here with you, Courtney. Thank you for having me and for sharing our message and sharing your mission. Thank you. Thank you so much for your time and congratulations on your pregnancy. I'm so excited for you. And congratulations on your engagement. Thank you. Yay. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. view on your podcast app. For more shows by my team, go to wellnessloud.com. See you next time. The content of this show is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute

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