Realfoodology - Glyphosate, Big Agriculture, + Cancer | Kelly Rhyerson

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

EP. 209: In today’s episode, I’m thrilled to welcome Kelly Ryerson, widely known on Instagram as Glyphosate Girl. Kelly, who you might remember from the film *Common Ground*, is here to explore one of the most pressing issues of our time: glyphosate in our food. We discuss its health impacts, the troubling industry corruption, and how big agriculture influences regulatory bodies like the EPA, FDA, and USDA. But it’s not all doom and gloom—Kelly also shares some hopeful developments and practical tips for a healthier lifestyle. If you’re passionate about clean food and environmental justice, you won’t want to miss this eye-opening conversation! Timestamps:  09:43 - Kelly’s backstory  15:12 - Glyphosate Cancer Trial  18:27 - The EPA & glyphosate  20:28 - Weaponizing online confusion  25:16 - Glyphosate and GMO seeds 28:17 - Glyphosate, GMOs, and pesticides  32:36 - Impacts of industrial agriculture 36:27 - Glyphosate health impacts 42:48 - Fertility and pregnancy advice  46:31 - Glyphosate and organic food  50:08 - EWG Dirty Dozen and Clean 15  52:01 - Farm Bill  56:23 - Reaching out to politicians  58:21 - Feed your mind curriculum  01:00:02 - Big agriculture and lobbying  01:03:31 - Industrial agriculture and our food system  01:05:56 - Exciting policy changes  01:08:15 - Regenerative farm movement  01:11:03 - Glyphosate and your pets  01:14:13 - Living a healthy life  01:16:01 - Kelly’s health non negotiables  Sponsored By:  KION Use my link to save 20% at GETKION.COM/REALFOODOLOGY Organifi  Go to www.organifi.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY for 20% Off Seed Go to https://seed.com/realfoodology and save 25% your first month with code REALFOODOLOGY BIOptimizers  Get your free bottle of magnesium breakthrough while supplies last at magbreakthrough.com/realfoodologyfree ARMRA Colostrum  Get 15% off your first order at tryarmra.com/realfoodology Check Out Kelly: Website Instagram Check Out Courtney: LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! @realfoodology www.realfoodology.com My Immune Supplement by 2x4 Air Dr Air Purifier AquaTru Water Filter EWG Tap Water Database  Produced By: Drake Peterson

On today's episode of the Real Foodology podcast. Now, just actually recently, this has been in court for years. Just recently, the federal court said it goes against Bayer's freedom of speech to force them to put the label on the bottle. They spent $2.3 million just in the first quarter of 2024 to go in and lobby and try and get it so that there's something called federal preemption of all pesticide law. So then they're also going forward and trying to go state by state and get legislation passed that no one can sue a pesticide company if they get sick. It's nuts. And I just fundamentally can't understand a few things. One, I can't understand how anyone that is living and breathing and has a family would think that this is possibly okay. And two, the lawyers that go in and are willing to represent, I mean, that's sick.

Hello, friends. Welcome back to another episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Swan. And if you're watching today's episode on Spotify, you may notice this new podcast flag that I just got. It's so sexy. I'm loving it. I'm also sitting in my new podcast chairs in my new podcast studio in Denver. I have not finished the whole setup. So you guys will see in the coming weeks that it's going to change a little bit. I'm finally building out a podcast studio in my place and I'm very excited about it. So more to come on that.

Today's guest, you may know her from Instagram as the Glyphosate Girl. Actually, her name on Instagram is Glyphosate Girl. Also, if you have seen the film Common Ground, which is a film that I've talked about a lot recently on the podcast, it is from the makers of Kiss the Ground. If you have not seen that documentary yet, I highly recommend it. It is such an amazing film. And they address some of

the stuff that we talk about in the podcast today. Kelly Ryerson, otherwise known as Glyphosate Girl, is my guest today. And she was also on Common Ground. She was featured in that film. I have been following her work for a while. I initially came to know about her work through Zach Bush. If you guys remember Zach Bush, he was on the podcast last year. He's an amazing doctor who's really speaking out about glyphosate right now about GMOs. He's so eloquently spoken on the subject. And he actually did a talk with Kelly last year or no, actually it was a couple of years ago now. Cause I believe it was during 2020. Anyways, it doesn't matter. That's how I initially found her. And today's episode was just, guys, I don't know what it is about this particular conversation, but I am so passionate

about this. I think I see it as one of the biggest issues of our time, of our generation. And that is the issue of glyphosate ending up in our food. It's being sprayed so much in this country right now. I urge all of you to Google the map of where glyphosate is being sprayed right now and also how much is being sprayed. I mean, it's being sprayed in the millions of pounds every year all over our farmland. So we talk about that. We talk about the health effects of glyphosate. We also talk a lot about the industry corruption and how big agriculture colludes with the EPA, with the FDA, with the USDA to really keep us in the dark right now. It looks very similar to the tobacco playbook of the seventies, which is essentially they are paying off scientists. They're paying off doctors. They are manipulating the science and the data. They are paying off scientists, they're paying off doctors,

they are manipulating the science and the data. They're also paying the, they're funding for the education at the big agriculture universities. So they're also getting the farmers early on in school and brainwashing them. And it's, it's absolutely tragic because when we see how it's affecting our health and what's happening to our farmland, the degradation of our soil, it's really infuriating. So we talk a lot about that. We talk about what exactly is going on right now. We also talk about some exciting things that are happening right now. We give you a lot of hope in this episode as well, but it's really just an all-encompassing, comprehensive class, if you will, on GMOs, glyphosate, big agriculture, and corruption in the EPA, USDA, FDA. So it was an amazing episode.

I really enjoyed this conversation. I think you guys are absolutely going to love it. And like I said, we leave you with a lot of hope. We also give you a lot of tips on how to do the best that you can in avoiding glyphosate so that it doesn't harm your health. I say this towards the end of the episode, but I also just want to remind you again as the listener, look, this is the unfortunate reality that we live in and we can either put our heads in the sand or become victims of it or throw our hands in the air and just say, you know what? I give up. I'm not going to do any of this. It's too much to

handle. Or we can choose to allow this to empower us. I personally, I find it incredibly empowering knowing what's going on because then it gives me the roadmap to navigate all of this so that I know exactly what I can do and I know the things that I can control. And then I have a lot of compassion and grace for the things that I just can't control. You know, unfortunately, there's a lot of things in this world and in this life that we can't control, but there's a lot of things that we can control. So my mentality and my motto is control the controllables, control the things that you can control in your own life. And the rest of it, you know what, you're doing the best that you can and you can't stress about it because stress and anxiety is also going to cause a lot of health

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because I just – this is a subject that I have been so, so passionate about for so long. Like, I found the work of Mani Hari, the food bae, back in 2011, and it was one of the driving reasons that I started real foodology because I got really invested in what's happening with agriculture, with genetically modified organisms, with Roundup more specifically, I've been following the Monsanto. I remember when Bayer bought Monsanto back in 2018, right? Oh yeah. Yeah. Just ridiculous. All of that. So anyways.

Oh my gosh. Oh yes. Very excited. Quite some time. I know. And you know, and it's so great. I mean, Vanny is also the one I think like when she first brought up food dyes, and I was like, what? That's why my son is hysterical, right? Like, wow, he's having these food dyes. I'm like, Oh, well, pull those out. I'm better. I mean, she did such great work. She really did. I know. It's just incredible what she's done. And I love that she was really highlighting glyphosate, which is something that we're going to talk a lot about today. So first and foremost, if anybody is not aware of your work, I'm curious to know too, because I don't know how you actually got into all this. So how did you get into being essentially an activist for glyphosate. So I was like so many, I feel like particularly women age 30 and up is what I'm

seeing. And I was like many who just, my body was failing me. And I had all of these different physical problems. And probably for a lot of your listeners, it's something very familiar. And it's like, what is it? Am I food sensitive? i don't know why i'm getting these rashes i don't know why i'm tired all the time i don't know why my hair is so thin just even my eyesight was dim and it was really bad because i went to probably 30 different specialists to find out what was wrong with me and no one really could tell me but they did layer me on a lot of medication so because i'm woman, I had to be just stressed and needed like two antidepressants and a benzodiazepine, you know, and I'm like, I'm stressed because I don't feel well. Like that's why I'm stressed. And I don't know why

I don't feel well. So I, um, I finally found this doctor who said, I think you should try going gluten-free. And it was at a time that, like, I feel like today that may be even on more people's radar, but at this time now, probably seven years ago, I guess, I was like, okay, well, I guess I'll try it. That sounds ridiculous. Went gluten-free, started getting better, and then went to a conference at Columbia University where they were talking about the new huge surge in non-celiac gluten sensitivity and celiac. And there were scientists that were standing there and they're like, we just don't know what it is because with the non-celiac gluten sensitivity, which is what I have, we can't really identify exactly what the triggering part is. And so I went up to the microphone and I asked, are they spraying anything on this on the farm?

Now, I am from suburbia. I'd never thought about a farm, but it did occur to me, well, that might be a good place to look. So they said, oh, we don't know. I don't think so. You know, whatever. And then a scientist from General Mills found me afterwards and said, oh, yeah, on the grain, they spray Roundup right before harvest. And I thought that was kind of weird, frankly, because all I knew about Roundup is that you could buy it at Home

Depot. And so I went home and I started looking through the research and I'm like, gosh, this is strange. There is actually quite a lot of research about glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup and how it causes health damage. But it's weird because there are only a few scientists that have been able to actually publish, say like, oh, this impacts the microbiome. This does this. And then when you looked online, if you go over to Google, you're like, oh, like what is Stephanie Seneff's background? Because she's a very preeminent scientist in this area. And there's all this hate for her and for similar scientists online, like she's crazy. She doesn't know what she's talking about, like all this horrible stuff. And so I'm like, oh, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe there

isn't anything here because I didn't understand just how deeply misinformation campaigns go at that point. And so then amazingly around the same time, there were the round of cancer trials that were starting in San Francisco and I live near San Francisco. And so I went up and I actually was expecting to go and protest because at that point, I knew that Monsanto, the manufacturer was pretty much a bad guy. And I was expecting big fanfare, got there and there was none, walked right in to the courtroom and sat down with the lawyers and noticed there were probably maximum two different journalists there to talk about this epic, epic lawsuit. It's the first time that Monsanto is going to trial in front of a jury. So this is a huge deal.

And I tried to tell ABC, I tried to tell NBC, I'm like, you guys, this is a huge deal. And no one really was taking. And so I decided at that point, I was gonna quit my job. And I named myself glyphosate girl, and blogged those trials, and the blow by blow of it. So that would just be public record. And, and so that's how it all started. It was kind of a freak happening, but I just was like, oh, there's something here. Wow. Okay. I didn't know that about your background, actually. Was this the trial? I forgot the guy's name, but there was the grounds guy at a school. Yes. Is this that trial?

Yes. Yes. Wow. Okay. So for my listeners that are unaware of that trial, this is actually really, this is a really important thing to know about because this was actually the first time that we publicly started to recognize that glyphosate most likely causes cancer. So can you talk about what was, what happened with him in that trial? Sure.

So it was very interesting because the reason why even this lawsuit, when you have a lawsuit against something like glyphosate, you have to have to meet this bar of scientific evidence that it can stand up in court. So it means you have to have like a pretty big library of evidence, of scientific evidence. And IARC, which is the International Agency for Research on Cancer, had come out in 2015 and they said this is a probable human carcinogen. And so the attorneys were able to bring a lot of that evidence, not that they didn't do their own work too, but it sort of substantiated this argument that it's a carcinogen. And so the attorneys were able to bring a lot of that evidence, not that they didn't do their own work too, but it sort of substantiated this argument that it's a carcinogen. And they brought it over to the court. And it was just, it was really phenomenal to watch this. This poor groundskeeper was spraying a school. I mean, because that's what you do, right? With pesticides. I mean, he's wonderful and everything, but he's doing his job that is done all across this country all the time.

And he had a few accidents on his backpack and then another sprayer, and he was covered with Roundup, and then he developed a really, really aggressive form of lymphoma. And it really, it was the first trial of its kind. And so with that, Bayer had just bought, like during that time, like during that trial, Monsanto, Bayer, the pharmaceutical company. So there was a lot of mayhem anyway. And they had all this evidence that was presented and made public about how Monsanto really was working in cahoots with the EPA. Amazingly how there was a letter from the White House, and at the time it was Donald Trump,

but I wouldn't say it's even political because every single political group is supportive of this chemical. So, but at the time it was Donald Trump and he said, the White House has Monsanto's back on glyphosate, don't worry. So it was that kind of evidence that was presented over and over again. And what Monsanto really was able to do, they didn't win this trial,

thank God, but they always pointed to the EPA that the EPA says it's safe. And assuming that the jury would be like, okay, well, if the EPA says it's safe, then it must be. And I have to admit at the time I was first seeing this, I didn't actually ever give any thought to our regulators. And I assumed that they're pretty good guys. Like why would they not do their job? Like presumably they're pretty smart. It can't be that bad. I didn't realize how deep the corruption runs. So it was, and so then the moments of right before the verdict came out, I mean, it was like a few days while the jurors were deliberating. And it was, it was cool for me because I was able to make friends with these

attorneys that were really deep into it, as well as later on some of the, some of the expert witnesses, like the oncologist and other scientists. And it allowed me to feel very substantiated and claims that I was able to then make it a little bit more public. Wow. So what is the EPA still saying that glyphosate is safe? Oh my gosh. Okay. So this is crazy. The level of just corruption here is so huge that it's insane. And in fact, there's a Dr. Luoping Zhang. She's lifelong practical. She's towards the end of her career, toxicologist at Berkeley. And she's wonderful. And she was selected to go to the EPA and look at all the evidence because they do this when there's a question and people are starting to question things. And so after the IARC decision came out, EPA said, okay, let's call in these

independent scientists to look at the evidence for fresh eyes because of public interest. And so she was selected. I feel like it's independent. Yeah, independent, right? Scientists, yeah. And so she was called in. And it's interesting because in her case, she said, I was actually pretty independent. So I don't know why I was there. She understands how corrupt it is. And so she looked at, she was in charge of the epidemiology and she was with a team of

a few other scientists and they looked at all the epidemiology on the carcinogenicity of glyphosate. She's like, okay, this looks like it causes cancer. This causes non-Hodgkin's lymphoma or it puts you at increased likelihood of getting lymphoma when you're exposed. And so she put her together a report, gave it to the EPA.

The EPA said, thank you. And then came out and said, there's no evidence of any harm to human health. So she and these other scientists, there's another woman at University of Washington, they're like, are you joking? We just presented all this stuff. Of course, there's evidence. And so they published their own separate research that's like one of the top hits now on PubMed, but there is because it's so emphatically correct. And so that just was

really alarming. And you think about how often that must happen. I mean, all the time. I remember actually Vani Hari was talking about this a lot. And I can't remember if you have stories of this as well. But when she started talking openly about Monsanto and about glyphosate and she was trying to sound the alarms, she started noticing all of a sudden there was this massive attack of her online. And it felt like everybody was saying the same thing kind of you know it was like when you go to an Instagram post and everybody's like posting all these comments and it's very similar rhetoric or whatever well

come to find out she found that there was internal documents in Monsanto where they were emailing and specifically naming Bonnie Hari as somebody that they were like, we need to attack her online. And so they would have these bot farms where they would essentially be like fake accounts and pretending like they're all these like scientists and, you know, like farmers and people in at school for like for the university, agriculture universities, all that kind of stuff. And it came out that they were just faking all this. And what they wanted to do is they wanted to create confusion in the public. Because you know, if I'm somebody just going to Vani's page and not really knowing anything about this, and I'm, you know, alarmed by what she's

saying, and then I go in to read the comments, and everybody's like, Oh, no, no, no, no, the science says blah, blah, blah, blah, well, then it's creating confusion. And so what she revealed was that they are purposely creating this confusion because they know that their products are causing cancer, but they don't want that to come out. Oh, my gosh, totally. And they even there's some reference to a fusion center that's there that is where they operate. It's very dark where they operate with the misinformation campaign and the disinformation campaign, really. And yeah, she was in there. Neil Young was highlighted because of his album, Monsanto Years.

He was one of the first ones to see this happening in Canada. And he's like, this is not good. And so he had like, I got his concert t-shirt for a bit. He's like, yeah. That's amazing. But they, yeah, so they have this elaborate scheme and that's exactly it. It's about creating confusion because that's the tobacco playbook. Like, what can we put out there to make people question whether whoever the person is that wrote the article or did the science might not be quite right or that there's still enough confusion out there?

In fact, this is very frustrating because it becomes effective also, I feel like, at the court level because because state of California has something called Prop 65, which maybe you've seen. And that is a warning that the state of California thinks that this might cause cancer or an endocrine disruption or something. And so a lot of products have to be labeled once they're put on this list in California. And glyphosate was put on that list following the IARC decision. And Monsanto did not like this. And so what that meant is that the rounded bottle would have to be labeled. And they have been pushing far and wide. I mean, I don't understand why they don't put a label, frankly, because it would stop a lot of lawsuits because then you're putting the warning out there.

But they're not. And so now, just actually recently, this has been in court for years, just recently, the federal court said it goes against Bayer's freedom of speech to force them to put the label on the bottle because there's enough scientific, there's not enough scientific consensus. And so their free speech is that, I mean, it's just, it goes so deeply ridiculous at this point. And this is the thing that the lawsuits keep coming and coming. I mean, if they keep coming at this rate, it bears going to go bankrupt. They've already had to restructure. And they are so adamant about not labeling this product that they are willing clearly to continue on.

And so they took this other approach now to try and save themselves from bankruptcy. So what they're doing now is they've gone to the federal level. They spent $2.3 million just in the first quarter of 2024 to go in and lobby and try and get it so that there's something called federal preemption of all pesticide law. So that means that states and local jurisdictions would have no authority over saying that they want to be able to keep a pesticide legal or not. I mean, crazy. So that all the power would go to the to like what the EPA says, which they own and they basically own the EPA. So they know the EPA is going to cooperate, but they don't own the state of California right now. So they don't like how California is acting. So then they're also going forward and trying to go state by state and get legislation passed that no one can sue a pesticide company if they get sick.

This is another thing that they're working on. I mean, it's nuts. It's beyond. And I don't understand. And I just fundamentally can't understand a few things. One, I can't understand how anyone that is living and breathing and has a family would think that this is possibly okay. And two, the lawyers that go in and are willing to represent, I mean, that's sick. Yeah, it's disgusting. That's exactly what was just going through my head. And I'm also wondering,

like, anybody can look this up, like how much money Bayer has already lost in the courts. And they're still, like you said, they're still being sued right now to this day. Why are they so adamant on continuing to pretend like it's not causing cancer and just allowing themselves to be sued out the ass? What I don't understand is why don't we pivot? Why can't we find another product that's not causing cancer? And then to your point, like, don't all these people have kids? Like, are they not concerned about their own health? Like, yeah, it's so strange. It's so strange to me. I was at a city council meeting and, and I have, I have actually,

this is a separate conversation, but we have a big 5g tower they're trying to put in front of my house. So this is upsetting. Yeah. That close. And, um, and someone went there and he's like, you can go. He's from industry. He's like, you can put it right in my front lawn. I have three little kids and I'm happy to do that. So I don't know what she's talking about. You know, it's like, what's wrong with you guys? You should be protecting your kids, right?

So I think like to your question of why keep doubling down, doubling down. It's like the main thing that's there is that these GMO seeds depend on glyphosate. And so if you ban glyphosate or you say this causes cancer, that's gonna really throw a big wrench in the whole GMO world of GMO corn and GMO soy, which is pretty much American agriculture. And so the farmers are putting so much pressure on,

the conventional farmers that want to continue using whatever toxin they want are putting so much pressure on government and lawmakers to continue this because as long as they're planting those GMO seeds and they're spraying those chemicals, they get their subsidies. And so they don't have to do much more outside of that. If you take away glyphosate, then the actual way that the seed works suddenly is no longer relevant. And that is, I guess it's too big to fail, except it's failing us because now we're all getting sick. So that's like where you balance it.

Where do you want those subsidies to go to continuing to pay? This is like the crazy thing. So we pay for these subsidies to go to these farmers and then we pay for health care. And the whole situation is bankrupting us. Yeah, I mean, it's bankrupting us. It's also making us incredibly sick. I mean, if you I will never forget, I saw this graph once. And it's interesting because I haven't been able to find it since.

Maybe you have seen it and you can find it. But I saw this graph a couple of years ago that was showing when we implemented glyphosate and GMOs in the food system. And then it puts side by side infertility going up, um, autoimmune disorders going up, cancer going up, thyroid issues. And it was like all just like when we started doing that, all of these disorders just started skyrocketing and they're just continuing to, because we're using more and more and more glyphosate. What you just said about GMOs, I had never made that connection. That is exactly it. It is a huge money maker for them. And of course they don't want to give that up. And I didn't even think about that, the connection with the glyphosate and the GMOs. And one more

thing I want to state, because I hear this all the freaking time as people say, oh no, GMOs means less pesticides. I'm like, no, it means more. It means more pesticides. Isn't that crazy? Because that was their big sales pitch when they came out. Monsanto said, if you plant these and you just have to do a pass of glyphosate, it works so beautifully. For those who don't know, the GMO seeds are genetically modified to be resistant to the effects of glyphosate. So they can grow even if you spray it. So, and you know what, I actually believe maybe, although there were some, I was reading about some plant scientists way back. They're like, they're going to, the weeds are going to become resistant to that, like in a couple of years, this isn't like a lifelong thing

that's going to last. And so now what you see indeed, there's so much resistance to glyphosate in the weeds. And so they're really threatening crops. And so now there are these GMO seeds that are resistant to four different, five different herbicides, including 2,4-D, which is Agent Orange, Dicamba, another one. And these are all in some ways increasingly toxic. And some of them are higher toxic load than glyphosate. So the system itself is just, it just can't continue. I mean, the soil's dying. This summer, I have been all about embracing every moment, whether it's traveling to new places or simply enjoying the little things closer to home. And through it all, taking care of my health remains a top priority. That's why I've been relying on Seeds DSO1 Daily Symbiotic to support my gut health every step of the way. I have been

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He sits right next to a conventionally farmed ranch or farm. And you can see the stark difference between what's happening on their land versus what is happening on his land. His land looks green and lush and full of life. And then you look at this land right next to his where they're tilling and they're spraying the ground with pesticides like glyphosate. They're absolutely destroying the whole ecosystem there. And I see that immediately. And I'm like, how are these farmers not seeing what they're doing to the land? And why are they fighting for these GMO crops? This is so strange. And one time, yeah, Gabe is so wonderful.

And in fact, reading his book, Dirt to Soil is a good idea for everyone. It's fascinating. It's just such a cool how you can convert a farm, basically, like biggest little farm, but on a grand scale. And he was saying, well, because I asked him exactly that. And he said, they're just waiting for their subsidy checks. They don't want change. They're doing fine.

They are able to have a life, although some of them are in bad financial shape because if they have crop failure, and then they have jobs outside of the farm. But another regenerative farmer who I know, and he's fantastic. And he said, it's just a lot of the joy of farming was taken away. And a lot of people who really would have enjoyed that process of rehabilitating soil or having these healthier approaches got out of farming. And so now it's just all, it's truly factory, sort of like how we treat animals too, it's just factory. So it's about, I think, getting more people back in that care about farming and rehabilitation and enjoy that.

And some of the stories that Gabe tells are so phenomenal about the joy that people that are into farming and are farmers, and when they see this transformation starting to happen and their inputs decrease and just they get excited and they get addicted to like, how high can I get my carbon content? And so you hope that enough people will feel that way to reverse the way things are. And another interesting thing is that Mexico recently said that they don't want to be importing any more GMOs from the U.S. that are would be used in human food. So in their tortillas and which makes sense because that's corn is a huge, huge food for them. And so they don't want it anymore. They actually don't want glyphosate either. This has been a huge international fight between the U S and Mexico.

And there were plenty of farmers in the U S they're like, well, why don't we use this opportunity? They're not going to import our GMOs. Why don't we use this opportunity to convert over to non-GMO corn? Because we'd have a market. Right. And they were so quiet and they're still out there. Like we don't get it. Like if the world wants this, let's do it, you know? Right. Also, time and time again, all these studies have proven that it's way more sustainable to do it in a regenerative way than the way that we're doing it right now. Because if we continue down this path we're going right now, we're not going to have any more land left to plant. No. You know, like we're not going to have any soil. It is so scary. I mean, infertility is just skyrocketing.

Yeah, so actually, so let's talk about some of the health effects that we're seeing that are directly connected to glyphosate. What's happening? What is glyphosate doing to our bodies? Yeah, and it's, of course, hard to just isolate glyphosate. And the reason why I focus on glyphosate is because it's the most used pesticide of all time. And we sort of have a focused amount of time when they really started spraying so much on our grains, which is the main way that we're getting our chickpeas. And the part that really interests me so much is the explosion in leaky gut syndrome and how much we know now about the microbiome and all of these unbelievably convincing scientific studies there are and how it impacts, like I say, specifically kills beneficial gut bacteria.

So it's so strange because it actually works selectively where it really attacks the good gut bacteria, but allows the bad gut bacteria to proliferate. And I find that really interesting because almost all of us now are walking around with this major dysbiosis it's causing. I mean, it was the heart of my problem for sure. And a lot of issues is gut health. And that's been to me, the biggest impact with the autoimmune cascade. And it just, you know, you can just see the science is all there. And it's strange because the way the EPA evaluates things, they wouldn't even look at say autoimmunity because it's very specific, tiny lens that they look through. So there's that, there's the liver

and kidney disease, which is also through the roof. Interestingly, I recently saw, because I always am looking around at the obesity epidemic and I always am thinking, okay, we know that it's bad food in our food system. I never ever am one to think, oh, this is because people don't have self-control. I don't believe it. And there's a study out there that's showing how if a pubescent girl is consuming glyphosate, she's far more like increasing levels are going to increase her likelihood of becoming obese later in life, the way it changes you metabolically. So that was really interesting. The infertility stuff really creeps me out. And I, several years ago, sent three different semen samples into a lab to see if there was glyphosate from three different men. And all three came back positive for glyphosate. And there are existing

studies that show that glyphosate kills semen. I mean, it massively can decrease the quantity of semen and the quality of semen. And so now you start thinking, we also know that it goes in and it can detach an embryo from the side of the uterus. It impacts that as well and can like create miscarriages and it impacts estrogen levels and testosterone levels and it impacts the ovaries. And it really is such an incredibly potent endocrine disruptor. And that's so scary to me. And I'm actually surprised that Europe is like usually on top of endocrine disruptors. And with this one, they're still allowing it. And it's surprising to me. That to me is so sad because so many women are struggling and couples are struggling to get pregnant. And they don't know why say the man has like decreased sperm counts. And that would be like a logical thing.

And this was sort of amazing because I had asked scientists, well, I didn't know that it crosses the blood testes barrier. Like I didn't know that that was a thing. And people were just like, oh, I don't know. And then recently a study came out of France just this year that they were looking at French farmers and the semen had levels of glyphosate in it that were concerning. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, it also happens from your diet apparently too. So and then we have this problem where some of the studies show that it's not until two generations in you really see the full impact of the exposure of glyphosate in utero. And so that is very sad.

And I think that's exactly what we're experiencing right now, because we're about two generations out now, right? I think so. Yeah, we are. Yeah. Yeah. And I actually, I just very recently learned this, that initially it was, I don't know the right term, but maybe it was patented as an antibiotic? Yes. Yeah. So it's patented as it's an antimicrobial that works as an antibiotic. Okay. So I actually didn't know that. I knew that it acted like an antibiotic, which, I mean, what you just said explains why everybody's dealing with gut dysbiosis now, because even if you're eating organic food, you're still getting exposed to glyphosate just because of how much they're spraying it everywhere and then you think about like you look at all of the different health effects that we're dealing with right now in this country and a lot of it the root is gut issues and a lot of people are dealing with

gut dysbiosis which anybody listening doesn't know what that means it means an imbalance of good and bad bacteria and essentially what's happening is that glyphosate is killing off a lot of our good bacteria and allowing more of the bad bacteria to prol essentially what's happening is that glyphosate is killing off a lot of our good bacteria and allowing more of the bad bacteria to proliferate. And so then we have higher levels of bad bacteria in our gut. And then it's affecting everything that we just talked about.

Now, I do want to say too, and we don't have to spend any time on this, but just to like note it, because I've talked about this on other podcasts. Now, I don't think that glyphosate is the only issue. I think it's a huge issue right now because, one, because we have the EPA and all these agencies that are supposed to be protecting us from this saying,

oh, it's totally fine. And it's being sprayed by the millions of pounds, I think, a year, right, in this country. So it is definitely a really big issue. But I do also think that some of the other infertility and cancer and all this other stuff is also being fueled by microplastics, the phthalates in our food and, you know, and there's a bunch of other stuff happening, but glyphosate is, it's pretty glaringly obvious that it's a really big issue that we're dealing with right now. I mean, you just mentioned that we found it in sperm.

We've also been finding it in human placenta. We've been finding it in breast milk, which is incredibly concerning. Oh, so terrible. I know. And you think you're doing the right thing, right? When you're breastfeeding and then you find out that there's glyphosate in it. That's so heartbreaking. But I found it even, I sent in my daughter's baby tooth after she lost it. Glyphosate in the baby tooth. In the baby tooth? In the baby tooth. I was so upset. I mean, I wish I could go back and have my pregnancies again, because I would have been very different, but I didn't have this information, which makes me so sad. Wow. Okay. So for anybody listening, that's maybe pregnant right now, or is hoping to get pregnant, what would you have implemented differently knowing what you know now?

I certainly would have been eating as organically as possible. And I was someone that had really bad nausea and vomiting for my pregnancy. And so it's like, I was just happy to be able to eat anything, but that didn't help. But for other people that don't have that severe issue, it's anything you eat, if you can find it organically, that would be absolutely the very best thing to do. If not, then just being really selective about what you're eating. Like a lot of times you'll find that you might say, oh, I want some hummus, say. That sounds really appealing to me right now. You want to be sure that you don't buy the hummus unless it's organic, because that is a classically very, very high level glyphosate food, because they dry out all of the beans, the chickpeas right before harvest.

And so you end up with a really heavy level of glyphosate in it. And I would, um, that is, I mean, that's really all that you can do is avoidance. There are different products out there that claim that it pulls it out, but I, I don't vouch for any of them. I don't know. Um, so really it's just, just isn't that sad that that's like all it is? Can you just do your best to avoid it? And it's expensive to buy organically. I mean, I buy a lot of my stuff at Costco, because thank God they have that. And Trader Joe's is getting a little better, but not great. So it's hard. Is it just me or is colostrum just totally taking the internet by storm?

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and the reason that it's getting into organic food is because unfortunately with the wind, it's picking up and carrying it into organic fields now because they're spraying it so much. Also, they're just spraying it so much that it's ending up in the water, the runoff from the farms. Like it's just, unfortunately,

it's everywhere in our environment. Now I will give you guys some, some hope and peace of mind. Personally, anecdotally speaking for myself, I primarily eat organic and I have been eating organic since 2011. Like when I really started paying attention to all of this, I recently got an environmental test done and my glyphosate levels were one of the lowest. And my doctor said that she has seen. Same with other pesticides and environmental toxins. So I will tell you, at least in my experience, that mostly eating organic is definitely going to protect you from that.

For sure. Oh my gosh, that's such a... You're reminding me I'm due to have a test. I want to see how I'm doing. Because if it's weirdly high, like it was the first time I tested, I'd be like, okay, well, where is it coming from, you know? But, you know But in another way, we recently discovered that some of the glyphosate levels are high and not high, but they're traced in organic food is that a lot of the organic farms are using manure from the capos. And so they, because they can't use synthetic fertilizers.

So they're taking the manure where there's all this glyphosate because those that cattle has eaten the GMO corn and like soy, and then it lands in as a fertilizer on organic farms. That's a really big problem, actually. But I guess finding inputs for organic farms is hard to do. So you're sort of left with what there is. That's concerning. I never thought about that either. I'm surprised that they don't have more implements for organic farming. But I mean, I guess it makes sense because the majority of our farming right now is conventionally done. And so it's GMOs and glyph regenerative because regenerative, technically, you could still spray and a lot of farmers do, but they're in a process of improving. And so that's why they're regenerating. But a lot of organic is actually industrial organic. And so they'll be growing a plastic. They don't really care for their soil practices.

They're very input based, like going and getting the manure and using organic pesticides. So it's not really the system that you might visualize oftentimes. Like Driscoll's berries is a prime example. Like a lot of their stuff is grown in plastic. Oh, that's so concerning. Another question I get a lot from people is, can you wash it off of your produce? If you're buying conventionally grown produce, can you wash glyphosate off? What's so sad is you cannot wash it off. It's a systemic herbicide, so it actually goes throughout the plant, which is too bad. But that's

not to say don't wash because there are other things like fungicides that are more topical, contact. This is a systemic, which is a bummer. Something to note for people, because I don't want everybody to completely lose hope. The EWG, well, I'm curious to know what you think about this. So the EWG every year releases the Dirty Dozen and the Clean 15. And essentially what those mean is Clean 15 is like 15 produce items where they say that if you're buying these conventionally, the chances of it being really high in pesticides are a lot lower. And then the dirty dozen are the ones where they say, if you can, you absolutely, it's imperative that you buy these organic because they are sprayed really heavily with pesticides. And often what you see on the dirty dozen are, you know, berries, almonds, like things that we know that

are really being sprayed with pesticides. And then on the clean 15, it's more stuff like avocados, bananas, where they have a harder skin around it that protects it. I will say one thing that does concern me, you just said it's systemic. And I always think about this like, okay, so it does have this outer shell that's protecting it, but also it was growing in, well, it depends on the produce, right? But a lot of it was still growing in soil with water that has been treated with glyphosate that's still getting into the food. Completely. Yeah. So I actually do like those lists and I look at them with interest because as we were saying,

it's not just glyphosate that's the problem. So I do look at it with interest, but I also do think that way. And I think that way also when I'm looking at almonds and orange juice and because it all is picked up, that's the problem with the systemic is that when you're in an orchard, the glyphosate is picked up from the soil and brought all the way to the fruit. And then it's just in the fruit. Like there's no washing it out. But I think that like by and large, it actually is that EWG, that may be the best thing that

they do actually is getting that out there because at least they've tested those things and you kind of have a sense. Yeah, what the EWG is doing right now is so amazing. I actually just had Ken Cook on the podcast and I just, I love the work that he's doing so much. Nice. Yeah, I just heard that they were over trying to fight this federal preemption on the farm bill situation. So I'm very glad they were there. Yes. Wait, can you speak a little bit to that, this Farm Bill?

We talked a little bit about it on another podcast, but if people missed that, this is an important one. Yeah, so there were lots of people that have been working on the Farm Bill. So the Farm Bill comes out every five years. It was due to come out last year, it did not. This is, I think, the first Farm Bill that's come out that really a lot of people have coalesced around

and trying to get more money put into regenerative practices and organics. And so we have some hope because the Senate right now, the majority are sort of thinking that that is a good direction to go. The House is not apparently because they released their draft of what they see this farm bill should look like. And they had all of these different protections for pesticide companies in it. And that is a huge shame. And what's very strange about that to me, and this is where like it gets into partisan stuff is I was on the Hill myself in May and met with a bunch of different offices and staffers. And it was primarily Republicans that I met with. They are different offices and staffers. And it was primarily Republicans that I met with. They are concerned about this, particularly the staffers. And to a lot of them,

they didn't even, it's not even on their radar. Yet you have a whole interesting, huge movement post COVID. And likely my guess is that it's tied in with people that are like, wait, you can't make me have a vaccine. They're like, oh, wait, you can't make me eat that. And there's this whole base of people that now are like, oh no, I don't want pesticides. And so it's strange to me that this house draft that came out of the Farm Bill was so anti-people, basically pro-corporation,

because I know that so many people don't want that. So it's really strange. And I think it's just a matter of increasing awareness around it. And this farm bill is going to be so vital because we just don't have any time left for subsidies to be going to this kind of chemical farming. We just, like, it's just no, there's no more time. And I think that the Senate knows that. And so the Senate is going to be coming out with their own draft and it has to sort of meet in the middle. And then what's going to be very important is who's president, because if we have a president that can veto something that says, oh, no, like states and local governments don't have rights to

govern themselves about pesticides, that's going to be a huge blow. So it's a very exciting time for agricultural policy, for sure. And I know Gabe is having like a lot of politicians to his ranch to show what can be done. And it's so hopeful and happy. So you just hope that that voice is loud enough. We don't have any lobbyists, though. In fact, when I was there, I mean, it's very, very rare someone comes in and talks about this stuff over in DC, whereas all the agricultural chemical companies have someone every single day and all these offices knocking on the door. And if that costs $2.3 million, I don't know how we'll ever compete because most people just do it like on their

own dime when they go there from our side. God, I just pray that more of our politicians wake up because this is what has really been driving me nuts. The more that I've gotten into this whole world, I've realized that what's happening right now is that we have all these politicians that are creating these policies that are incredibly important, that impact our health,

that impact our food system and all of this. And they have no education on this at all. None. Like none. And they're creating the most imperative policies around all this kind of stuff. And then of course, a lot of the education that they're getting is coming from the big agriculture companies themselves that have everything to lose or everything to win based on the policy that they create. And it's so incredibly frustrating. And what's so interesting about this in particular is that this is, in my opinion, one of the most pressing issues of our time. And so many people are unaware of what's going on. And you think about like, so many people probably are just like,

oh, I don't really care about farming. Like, that's boring to me. Like, I don't really understand. But if they really just took a second to pay attention and really understand how much this actually impacts their health and the health of their children and the health of this country, they would, I think a lot of people would become more passionate about this. And I just wish that there was more education. I wish we could get more to these politicians. Like, actually, I mean, that's a great question for the listener to hear. How can we get more involved with our politicians

and make sure that they're, you know, creating policies in the best interest of our health? Oh, my gosh. And I did this with my own congressperson when I got back from that trip. You they do listen. And what I think the best thing maybe to do is finding out who the staffers are, because any congressperson or senator will have staffers that really are doing the day-by-day work and interacting on email and responding.

Being able to talk to them about this issue and just putting it on their radar so that when they go in and they have a meeting with the congressperson, this is something that they can talk about. They tend to be younger, which I think is great because these are people

that are looking to start their families now and are starting to probably have problems themselves and are a little bit more aware and concerned. So definitely don't disregard or think that your voice isn't going to matter with that because no one really ever does it so then it stands out. It's like, what's this person talking about? You can say, I don't want this in my semen. I mean, quite literally. It's like what's this person talking about you can say i don't want this in my semen i mean quite literally it's like literally so yeah they're gonna go wait what especially men like anything about their sperm they're like wait what totally like let's get the man on board here you should be worried you don't want that in there exactly exactly but you're so right oh my gosh this communication piece you said that so beautifully and And it's like, I have a lot of times sit and I just try and contemplate how can you tell someone in the general public that they

don't have to feel as horrible as they do right now when they're having all these side effects from all these medications and they feel like their life is being stripped away from them and their doctors are telling them it's just the way it is. How can you convince them that it doesn't have to be like that? Because it's actually a really large mental leap to go from farming all the way to like, oh God, I have the worst migraine because I have to take this medication. It gives me headaches. You know, and most people aren't making that connection. No, sadly. And I, and I don't even blame them. Like that's not even a judgment. It's just so that there's no education around this. There's not. I went into, um, went with Moms Across America and we had a meeting with the head.

There's a new position at the FDA, head of human food. Okay. What does that even mean? Can you even imagine? What else would they be doing? Oh, my. That's a great point. Like what?

You guys have had one job and you're not filling the position for it. So we met with this guy and I told him when I was there, I said, I am very offended by this this program called Feed Your Mind and taxpayers pay for it. They get given $7 million in our tax money to go and do an educational platform for the FDA and EPA and USDA. They came together. And all it is, is feed your mind and it tells you why GMOs are so great. That's what's important.

There's curriculum for high schools and elementary schools. So it's a big promo for biochem industry that we are subsidizing. And so I said, I, you know, I was like, you can keep that on there if you really must, but you need a separate tab that says really what the future of agriculture needs to be, because this is ridiculous. You can't be saying this to kids. No, also because it's not sustainable. It's not. Oh my God.

Can you imagine? Oh God, it makes me crazy. I said the same thing to Cory Booker. I'm like, you have to stop. I can't stand this. This is the American agricultural education. I know. Well, it comes back to what you were just saying

a minute ago about the farm bill. There is so much lobbying happening right now. And I don't know how we got to this place in America where these large corporations have more power than anyone else in this country. And it's so sickening because big agriculture, big pharma, big food, people don't understand. These are large conglomerate companies that have so much freaking money, you could not even fathom how much money they have. And they're on the top right now.

They have all the power. And because they have all this money, and because they're making all this money, essentially profiting off of our sicknesses, they don't want to give that up. And so they are the ones that are creating all the education around this. I mean, in Common Ground, they talk about this too. They are funding the very universities where farmers go to, the agriculture industry.

They're funding their education. And then they're going off to the farms telling, you know, the public that, oh, GMOs are great for us and they're super healthy. They don't even realize that they're getting their education from these big agriculture companies that want to just continue to make money. They have no idea that that's the case. I mean, I really don't think they have any idea. They're just like, this is, I go to ag, I go to college for ag and I'm learning how to be a farmer

and this is what they teach. Oh, I had two different ag students in my comments recently. I posted a DM last week about GMOs. And of course it was the same rhetoric that you hear every time. This one girl was like, well, I'm going to ag school right now and we're feeding the world and blah, blah, blah. You know, I can't, I was like, it's 2024. And you know what I said to her? I said, okay, so if we are feeding the world, it has been 28 years since we introduced GMOs into

the food supply. We haven't fed the world yet. So like where that argument doesn't even withhold anymore. It totally does not. It is. Oh my gosh. It is so crazy. And you know what? This is even crazier.

So these new edited foods, gene edited foods are coming out and they're trying to call them not GMOs, but gene edited because they don't want them falling under the same thing, the same umbrella or have that tarnish or whatever. So the argument that one of the companies is making right now is that we need to do this if we're going to feed the growing population. I'm like, no, not that, not that argument. I can't. That is wrong. That is completely wrong. It's also like, okay, how are we as a country so, I don't want to say narcissistic, but what's the word? Like we are so misinformed or we are so egocentric, egocentric to think that it's one country's responsibility to feed the entire world. What are we going on about? We have people

in our own country that are starving right now. Why don't we start with the United States first? Why are we so focused? And look, I say that not from a desensitized place where, of course, I want everybody to know what it's like to have food, like access to real food. But my point is, why are we so focused on feeding the world when we have people starving in our own country? Why are we not first focusing on that? And why do we think it's our responsibility to feed the entire world? Clearly, clearly Russia doesn't need us to feed them. Exactly. And what's really crazy is there is a huge problem with children's access to food in the breadbasket. So like there in Southern Illinois and in Iowa, there are a lot of families and kids that actually go hungry.

And I think that's a pretty sad statement because there's nothing as edible there because it's this freaking soy and cornfields. I mean, that's so heartbreaking. It's like, why are we not focused on our own soil first? Also there's, breaking. It's like, why are we not focused on our own soil first? Also, we have completely destroyed our food system with this industrial agriculture. And we've done that under the premise of that we need to feed the world. But what happened to having smaller communities, having farmers nearby you? I mean, everybody's screaming about climate change right now.

Okay, well, what about the apples that are getting grown in New Zealand and flown all the way to the United States? Like, what are we doing? If we're worried about climate change, if we're worried about feeding everybody, why are we not more focused on more community-based, local-based food like we used to, where everybody has a farmer nearby, we're all going to the farmer's markets, we're getting our food from there because then the food's not traveling longer. I mean, I see all these videos of apples, for example. They pick them before they ripen

and then they throw them in a truck. They spray them with something so that they ripen on the travel for like five weeks before they even get to you. So by the time you get an apple in your hand, it has been five weeks since it was picked from the tree. Why are we doing that? Oh my gosh. I didn't know that they did that. That makes sense. It's so frustrating. And look, I get it. I'm not an idiot. I know,

I know why we're doing this because we obviously, we have a huge country and not everybody, not every environment is set up to grow apples or, you know, peaches or avocados or whatever you want to say. But there needs to be a more sustainable answer to this and not us buying our apples all the way from New Zealand. I mean, truly, let's just say you're so right. Let's just like start with our country and see how it goes. Can we establish these smaller farms back in local communities and give people those jobs back as well? That could be profitable. Oh, I know.

It's so frustrating. It's just like right there. It's hard because it's like right there. We can solve so many problems in this country with this for real. So many problems. And people would be happy again because they have nutrient dense food

and they'd be getting the minerals that they need to have like a calm and just healthy life. Exactly. And people will be less fatigued. They'll feel better in their bodies. Yeah. No, it's so incredibly frustrating. So while I always like to end the podcast on a good note, there's a lot of amazing things happening right now. Is there anything that's happening right now on a policy level that people can get excited about right now? Like what's something that's happening right now that's a good thing? Let's see. We mentioned corn. So this is a really big one. We just barely talked

about it. So maybe we can talk about that first. Mexico has officially said that they're going to ban GMO corn in Mexico. Yes, that is a really, really huge, exciting thing. And in fact, so the other thing that's happened, and you're seeing a little bit in Latin America of people waking up to this, in particular in South America. And it's really sad because Argentina has been kind of a dumping ground for GMO testing

and like lots of sick people around it. And they illegally passed this GMO wheat recently, like last year or something. And it's GMO wheat, it is resistant to the effects of pesticides. We don't have GMO wheat in this country yet. We don't want it, it would spread so quickly. And so this was just kind of shoved in

to past even the regulators, and now it's being grown there. And that's really upsetting. And it looks like that is going to be halted in Argentina. So that's some happy news because of people pushing back, which is huge. The other thing that's happening that's exciting is that in Europe and in the UK, it looks like this same new gene edited seed is going to be approved, not as a GMO. And there was an act in place in the UK ready to be signed that was not going to require

any labeling if this new gene edited type of food was sold. And because of the huge shift in parliament, we have a new, I just read the article this morning. It looks like that's not going to be signed right away. Because of the huge shift in Parliament, we have a new, I just read the article this morning, it looks like that's not going to be signed right away. And they're going to start digging back into it. And this was all once again, because of public pressure and a big letter writing campaign to tell the government they want their food labeled. So that was really exciting, because that was looking pretty grim there. And a lot of people in the UK were really upset. So those are some good things.

And I do hold out hope because of the Senate that the farm bill here is going to come through with some good things for regenerative ag. That makes me so excited. I'm so grateful for people like you, Gabe Brown, the Kiss the Ground guys, for really sounding the alarm on this, because I think that we would be in a much different position right now with this farm bill. Had we not created so much energy around all this, like the regenerative movement. There's been amazing documentaries that have been coming out recently. More and more people are aware of it. I mean, I grew up in Texas and recently I was back home and my parents were telling me that all their friends who have ranches and farms, they're all talking about regenerative farming now.

Really? What? Are you serious? Yes. Like it is really spreading like wildfire. Oh, I'm so excited about that. I know. It's incredible.

I was like blown away. So I was like, there's definitely people that are paying attention. There's definitely things that are happening right now. And I'm incredibly hopeful because I think, yeah, people are just fed up. I mean, literally people are sick and we're fed up of this. Totally so sick and fed up. That is so interesting about the ranchers there because there's an almond farm that's a regenerative organic almond farm in the Central Valley in California, and they have a field day each year. And so they have this field day and I went and I like to stand back and just hear what the farmers are saying. And there were a lot of conventional farmer, almond farmers that were

there and they would talk and they're like, God, do you think this would really work? And one of them's like, well, it has to work because I'm bankrupting myself on all the chemicals. And then there's like, well, so you don't think, well, I mean, look, they're doing it, you know, so they're thinking about it and they're like, maybe this is my option. So that's super exciting. That's incredible. That's so cool. Well, and what's so exciting too, is you watch films like Kiss the Ground and Common Ground and you see not only is it possible, but that these farmers are getting out of debt. They're no longer having to take these subsidies. They're able to actually have lush, alive, beautiful land if they stop

implementing all these toxic chemicals. So it's all just about the education and then being able to see the shift in their land and not using these. And so I think, yeah, I think people are coming around. I think so. Yeah. I think it did sound doom and gloom, but I do have hope that maybe also like, I just, I enjoy watching the, the weed resistance come up because I'm like, Oh, nature's showing us the way, right? Like it just is unsustainable. So something has to shift. Yeah, no, I completely, completely agree with that. I mean, it's awful. I hate that it's happening, but I also love that it's happening because you're right. Like there are these huge weeds that are resistant to glyphosate and these other pesticides. And I'm kind of like sitting

back being like, yes, mother earth, let's go. I know. I'm like, you go girl. Like, let's keep showing them that this isn't working. You know, like it's awful that they're having to deal with it, but it's also like you mess with mother nature and like, she's going to bite back. So yeah, it's cool. I love that so much. Um, well, okay. So before we go, is there anything about this subject that you think is really important for people to hear that we didn't cover? Or do you feel like we kind of covered everything? I feel like we covered the gamut of important things for sure. Yeah.

I guess, well, one thing, one thing also actually is to be aware of, this is just a practical tip, be aware of where you're walking your pets and your dogs because lymphoma is through the roof right now in dogs and cats. And a lot of that is, of course, environmental. And you don't want to have your dog dying at age five, which seems to be happening a lot with cancer. And so be aware that when you're walking, try and keep an eye out for which gardens might have been sprayed with Roundup and maybe go into the street at that point, because you don't want it getting on their paws because just like Lee Johnson in that trial, it just goes right through the skin and into the bloodstream. And that's when

the lymphoma can take off. So just think about your pets. Don't spray your back patio or anywhere that they're going to be hanging out. I'm so glad you brought this up. I literally just did a post about this like two days ago. My boyfriend and I just moved into a house. And it's the first time I've had a yard and I don't even know how long. And we our landlord has somebody that comes over and takes care of the lawn like once a week. And we actually had a conversation with him the very first week he came by. We told him we were like, we have two dogs and we do not want you using Roundup or any of these toxic pesticides. We even told them, we were like, we will buy the non-toxic stuff for you to use if it's like an issue, but we

do not want it sprayed. And his response was so amazing. He said, I would never do that. He's like, I'm such a dog lover and I'm so aware of this. I would never do that. And I was like, who knows? I was like, that's amazing. Oh, I should just be like, we moved to the right place. Yes. That's so good. Oh, you're happy babies. I know. We have two cute dogs. And I'm like, I just, yeah, it's horrifying what's happening.

Also, too, not to scare people, but put pressure on your schools. Kids, same with kids. Like they're spraying playgrounds and the school grounds. Same thing. We had an athletic field that was actually an artificial turf. And sometimes they would spray the perimeter with glyphosate. And we had a cancer pocket of female soccer players in high school here. And one of them died last year. And it's so horrible. And what those moms did is marched into the city hall, and now they have all organic care throughout the schools.

And so it just takes someone willing to put in that time because it's a hassle, but well worth it. Very well worth it. Yeah, it's amazing. A lot of lives are at stake. Oh, well, I know that this was a really heavy episode, but there is a lot of hope and there's also a lot of things that we can do. And I always remind people that you have a choice to either allow this to make you into a victim or you can allow this to empower you. And I always choose to allow this empower me because I would much rather know what is going on so that I know how to navigate this. And I know exactly what to avoid and I know what to do. And then also too, we also have to have compassion about the

fact that there's only so much we can do. So I never want anybody to be living through life just in fear and full of stress because that's also really unhealthy. So just remember that if you're doing the things that we talked about today, if you're implementing those things, just know that you're doing the best that you can. And then just don't worry about it. It's like it's an issue that everybody's dealing with. We're all doing the best that we can and there's only so much we can do and it doesn't help to live in fear.

Oh my gosh, absolutely. And I do a 70-30 rule for myself because if I don't go and eat with people out at restaurants or whatever, that is going to be limiting for me socially, which is also not great for my health. And so I'm probably 70% organic, 30% not at this point. Now, when I am sick or I'm feeling down, then I will get stricter,

but in general, when I'm doing pretty well, I can manage that. I'm the exact same way. My friends and I talk about this too that are also in the health world that if you are very careful about the things that you can control, so things that you can control, for example, are like the groceries that you bring into your home, and you're very consistent with eating and buying organic as much as possible, and you're really taking care of your health. When you go out to eat and you have that meal with your friends, your body is going to be way

more resilient and able to detoxify that better, handle it better. And just, it's all about the consistency, right? It's not about perfection because I'm also not saying you should never go out to eat with your friends. I go out to eat with my friends probably once a week. And I think that's healthy and it's good. And I don't stress about it. I'm not on the menu with the waiter being like, okay, does this have, you know, X, Y, and Z? I'm like, you know what? I do the best I can when I'm home. And then I want to enjoy myself when I'm out. Yeah. And it's manageable. Exactly. Yep. Because otherwise you're going to drive yourself insane. And then it's going to create other issues that you also don't want to deal with. And people think you're weird.

Yes. They already think I'm weird enough, so I try and not bring that to the table. Same, same, same. I know. I really try to tone it down in public. So I love that. Okay. Well, I want to ask you a personal question that I ask all my guests at the end, which

is what are your health non-negotiables? So no matter how crazy your day is, your week is, what are things that you prioritize for your own health? Oh yes, I do. I do have those. So the very basic ones on my basic day are, I am always taking magnesium and D and zinc and I take a probiotic and I just, and I actually paste my probiotics. I'm not taking it, like I'll take it a month and then go off of it and then go back on. So those are those things that are absolutely critical to me. I also try at least three times a week to get into a bath because, and I do my like meditation there because I love Dr. Joe Dispenza and he has some fantastic

meditations and I can really lose myself in those as long as the kids are being quiet enough. And, um, and I, I try and do lifting probably three times a week best I can. So those are the things, but I mean, there's so much more on that list. Like I wish I have a pop-up sauna and I just am lazy about using it. I actually have a red light that was expensive and it's hard to find time to do it, but there's other things I try and get done. Yeah. I feel you. I'm in the same boat. I have a pop-up sauna. I actually just started reusing it again and I'm trying to get back into the habit. Are you feeling good with it?

I actually am. Yeah. Cause I'm also, I'm on a gut detox protocol right now. I found some, we found some pathogens in my gut that I've been trying to get rid of. And so there's that whole like bind and then release, you know, where you, you want to bind the toxins, but then also like sweat them out. And I've actually been noticing a difference. Yeah. I feel a lot better. Okay. That's motivating tonight. I'm going to get in there. I mean, it's not that hard. I don't know why. No, to be honest, the hardest thing for me is that I really try to go as long as I can without washing my hair. And if I'm sauna-ing a bunch, then I'm getting super sweaty and I have to wash my hair more. I know it's the stupidest thing, but then I'm like, oh, I have to wash my hair so much more.

Yeah, no, that's a hassle. Yeah, it's just a whole thing. But, you know. Well, thank you so much. This was such an amazing episode, and I know people are going to absolutely love this. So please let the audience know where they can find you and they can find your work. Oh, yeah. So I put up a website called glyphosatefacts.com and that I specifically put up so that when people say, is glyphosate safe? It won't only be there in Monsanto. They're like,

it's perfectly safe and the EPA. I think that's the top hit. So that's where you can go there and you can find all the research that when someone says that's not true, it's all published, peer-reviewed research. Second, you can find me on Instagram as glyphosategirl. And I try and keep people updated on news when it comes to regenerative agriculture and glyphosate and pesticides. So that's the other place. Yeah, definitely go follow her. You're a great follow on Instagram. I love, you're just really good about getting all this information out and keeping everybody up to date. So thank you so much for that. Yeah, you don't want to bore people. But then on the other hand, I'm like, are other people as nerdy about this as I am?

Or they're like, this is a big deal. I am. I'm glad you are. There's someone. Exactly. I love it. No, I think a lot of people are. I think a lot of my audience is.

So I think people are going to be stoked to find you if they already don't know you. So awesome. Well, thank you so much for your time. This was such a great episode. Great. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for listening to the Real Foodology Podcast. This is a Wellness Loud production produced by Drake Peterson and mixed by Mike Fry. Theme song is by Georgie. You can watch the full video version of this podcast inside the Spotify app or on YouTube. As always, you can leave us a voicemail by clicking the link in our bio. And if you liked this episode,

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