Realfoodology - How to Win the Fight Against Corruption in Health and Agriculture | Senator Ron Johnson

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

EP. 227: In this episode, we delve into the efforts of Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin as he embarks on a mission to uncover corruption within health agencies and the agricultural sector. As the incoming chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, Senator Johnson outlines his bold plans to combat corporate capture in the health sector. He shares insights into potential collaborations with RFK Jr. under a Trump administration, emphasizing the need for transparency and reform in both health and agriculture. The episode explores the unsettling influence of corporate interests during the COVID-19 pandemic, highlighting personal stories of vaccine injuries and the urgent call for accountability and integrity in scientific research. Sponsored By:  MANUKORA  Go to Manukora.com/REALFOODOLOGY to get $25 off the Starter Kit, which comes with an MGO 850+ Manuka Honey jar, 5 honey travel sticks, a wooden spoon, and a guidebook!  Timeline Go to timelinenutrition.com/REALFOODOLOGY and use code REALFOODOLOGY for 10% off LMNT Get your free Sample Pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at drinklmnt.com/realfoodology Our Place Use code REALFOODOLOGY for 10% off at fromourplace.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 - Introduction 00:11:51 - Corporate Capture in Health Agencies 00:24:49 - Exposing Corruption in Health Science 00:28:41 - Corruption in Medical Science 00:40:02 - Vaccine Corruption and Control 00:47:47 - Agricultural Policy Reform and Political Dynamics 00:01:01:50 - Local Food Sustainability and Regulation 00:01:09:19 - Agricultural Policy and Health Implications 01:22:07 - Food Sustainability and Corporate Influence Check Out Senator Ron Johnson:  Twitter (X) Website Check Out Courtney Swan: LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! @realfoodology www.realfoodology.com My Immune Supplement by 2x4 Air Dr Air Purifier AquaTru Water Filter EWG Tap Water Database

On today's episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. It was all a big lie and they're still lying about it. They're still covering up. Hello friends, welcome back to another episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. I am coming to you live from D.C. Actually, I'm recording this intro in my house in Denver. But this particular episode, I flew out to Washington, D.C. to interview Senator Ron Johnson of Wisconsin. You may

recognize his name because he is the senator that hosted the roundtable that I spoke at recently at the U.S. Senate. And he is such an amazing guy. I love what he's doing right now, working so hard for the people, as senators should. I decided to bring him on the podcast. He is the soon-to-be chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations. Now, if you don't know what that means, don't worry, because we dive into that in the episode. We talk about what his plans are to expose and hold accountable the corruption within our health agencies and how he's going to move forward working with RFK Jr. under Trump. We talk about how likely it is that RFK will get voted in by the Senate. We talk about what actually needs to be addressed to make real change with our food industry.

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By the way, always listen to your dad. He's happy now, but at the time he was like, what are you doing? Because RD is a traditional track if you want to be an expert in nutrition and you want to work in any sort of field, at least federally. And so I pulled myself out because I realized that there was so much funding happening from these big food corporations like Pepsi, Coca-Cola, General Mills. And now what I'm seeing is with RFK Jr., there's a lot of these registered dietitians that are being very outspoken against him right now. And there's this thing happening in my world where we're both split, even though we're all supposed to be on the same side right now with nutrition. And you were saying you wanted to talk about this.

So this is one of the main reasons I brought you on this podcast today is because you are planning to expose and hold a lot of these corporations accountable. And that's what's happening right now in the registered dietitian world, in the nutrition world, also in science, in medical, in the medical system. So can we talk about that? Sure. No, I'd love to, because, and by the way, thank you for attending our public event there end of September. Yeah. And I didn't really expect you to listen to what I said in my opening statement, but I want to repeat or paraphrase my final paragraph, which I think is probably the most important one because I've said this a number of times in my events. I marvel at how much knowledge mankind has accumulated over the millennia and how our knowledge base is increasing exponentially. It's amazing what we know. But having stated that, what we don't know vastly exceeds what we do.

You're a smart man. No, I'm an ignorant man, okay? I know there's so much we don't know, the complexity of all these things. So as we move forward on this, and that was the point, because I had no idea what any of you guys are going to say. I have no idea what, you know, how hard everybody is in terms of their opinions. You have to take that level of humility and modesty into the search for the truth. And part of the big problem we have is science has been so corrupted. Eisenhower warned us about this in his farewell address, you know, military industrial complex, but the next warning was literally government financing of science,

funding of it. Whoever funds the science is going to get the result they want. It's always going to be a problem. If you had independent reviewers, and supposedly that's what peer reviewing is, but that is completely corrupted as well. I mean, the peers are not uncorrupted individuals or non-interested individuals. They have all kinds of reasons for peer reviewing articles that Nestle do not. Well, first of all, very few of them actually look at the data. A lot of this research, the data is not even made available. So you sort of start there. We have a fundamental problem in this country that research, scientific research has been corrupted. It is corrupt.

It's very hard to say what is true and what isn't true. I've got a couple of quotes from, for example, Marsha Angel, who used to be an editor of the New England Journal of Medicine, quit in 2000, started writing about it later on. And again, I could paraphrase her actually, maybe later on we'll quote her, but she slowly and reluctantly came to the conclusion that she couldn't trust the authorities and the scientific studies they were publishing in the New England Journal of Medicine, she resigned in 2000 because of that. 24 years later, it hasn't gotten better. I would say it's gotten worse. It's gotten way worse.

So, I mean, that's our real dilemma as we move forward now, how to make America healthier. You know, what should we be eating? What should we be putting on our body? You know, what supplements? I mean, as some use, you know, I'm an accountant. I'm not a nutritionist. I have no idea where to start. I keep sending my wife articles.

You know, she's the arbiter of this stuff. I mean, sometimes I say, you know, Jane, you don't need to eat because you eat so many supplements, you know. We are all baffled. And it sure would be nice if we had a government agency that was uncorrupted, not captured by the corporate interests, that literally could be the arbiters with integrity to try and sort this out. But they're the ones that developed the food pyramid because of corporate capture. So, again, this is – we're starting to learn this because of the good work of people like you. The public is becoming aware of this because of the technology that now exists with podcasts.

And people's eyes are being opened. But again, I'll go back to that. I want everybody to have open minds because we don't know the truth yet. There is so much we need to learn yet. Yeah. And I said you're a smart man for admitting that because I always tell my audience, I'm like, if you're ever listening to an expert that just says that they definitively know that this is the truth and you need to follow this, then they don't

understand how science works. They also don't understand that we don't know so much about, especially the human body. When it comes to the human body, just since I've been studying nutrition in the last like 20 years, so much research has come out about like, for example, the microbiome, things that we never knew when I first went into school. And now I'm having to learn it outside of school because they didn't know in my curriculum at the time. And so there's so many things we don't know about the human body. And this is, I do want to talk about COVID in a little bit, but this is what was driving me so nuts about COVID. Do you know Dr. Sabine Hazen? I don't know. Okay, I have to connect you to her.

I mean, she is the expert in the microbiome bifidobacteria. Yes. The connection of that to our immune system, how the vaccine was destroying bifidobacteria in the gut. Again, it's all complex. It is. It's all complex. It is. It's so complex. And then we have experts that are in charge that are saying that we know everything and that you need to follow this one science, but we know the science is corrupted. So I'm curious, when you first got into the Senate, into your job, did you know that this was happening, that there was corporate capture happening? No, actually, no.

So I'm a business guy, right? I'm an accountant. I ran a plastics manufacturing company for 30 years for food and medical device packaging, quite honestly. So when I first ran in 2010 as part of the Tea Party movement, primarily because we're mortgaging our kids' future. I did not come to the Senate to do this, to investigate, to get involved in health issues. This has been kind of thrust on me. But when I first was campaigning in 2010, I defended big pharma and big oil. Really?

The first speech I ever gave, I defended those entities. I said, am I the only guy that likes a gas station in every corner because I almost drive down empty? Or that wants a new life-saving drug? So I'm a defender of big pharma. Yeah. And it was literally COVID that opened my eyes to the corporate capture, the harm done by advertising. I mean, it only takes a second to really think about it. Why would these drug companies advertise? I mean, the advertisements are awful.

I have no idea what any of those drugs is for. You've got people being happy. Frolicking in the grass. Yeah, you know frolicking in the grass yeah you know throwing footballs they're dying you know it's like just wonder and then the last 30 seconds are are just a portion of the horrible side effects that they've got a list so obviously no business would literally pay money to tell you that their drug could kill you okay so why do they do it there's only one reason they want to capture the narrative and they did capture the narrative. So they've captured the

agencies, they've captured the media, the social media, to the detriment of American public's health. And you are soon to be the chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, correct? So I have so many questions about this. First of all, what does that mean and what are your plans moving forward with that? So this committee actually existed before the full committee that I was chair for six years. But in our conference, you time out after six years. So I was chair for six years, I time out, which puts me in line to then be the chair of the permanent subcommittee investigations. As chair of that, I will actually have stronger

subpoena power than I had as chairman of the full committee, which I will use. So I have written, for example, well over 60 oversight letters to the federal health agencies, Department of Defense, you know, anybody associated with our miserably failed response to COVID. I've basically been given the middle finger. They haven't responded to me. My guess right now is you've got the shredding machines, the furnaces, whatever they do to wipe disk drives, the bleach bit going fast and furious inside these health agencies.

Which is scary. But again, in the modern age, it's hard to wipe out electronic records. I mean, there's copies all over who you send them to, that type of thing. So I've laid the foundation for oversight work just from a standpoint of our response to COVID, the way we turned our back on the safety surveillance systems, ignored VAERS, the safety warnings. Right now I'm reading Brianne Dressen's book, Worth a Shot. I'd recommend it to your listeners. I mean, it's just, it's hard to read just in terms of what she went through as somebody who was

totally pro-vax, so pro-vax that she signed up for the AstraZeneca trial and then was immediately abandoned. I mean, she had an adverse, a horrible, serious adverse event that day, and then just got worse and worse and worse. AstraZeneca did nothing for her. They eventually sent her like a $1,300 check and said, well, this ought to take care of it, even though her medical bills were hundreds of thousands. And that was duplicated time and time and time and time again. Federal health agencies still don't acknowledge it.

She was working with somebody within the NIH, thought they were, you know, so they were really quiet about it, didn't want to upset the apple cart there. They were just stringing her along, stringing all these vaccine injured along. And then Facebook shuts down their support groups, which led to suicides because so many of them were suicidal. I mean, their lives were completely shattered. Yeah.

And you've got the media. You've got our federal health agencies. You've got the medical establishment. You know, all these people that pushed the vaccine said they were safe and effective. They didn't want to admit that they were wrong. So they completely ignored them. I mean, think of how lonely that would be. It's like, I have no hope.

How am I ever going to get treated by these people that you deny? I mean, they're saying it's all in my head. No, this is, so again, I would really worth a shot, brand dress and read it and just put yourself in her shoes and then get angry and demand action. I'm very angry about what happened during COVID. And I was very outspoken during then too. Actually, in fact, my Instagram was shadow banned for years because I was very outspoken about all this. I remember years ago too, I didn't talk too much about vaccines on my podcast, but I would talk about them on my Instagram. And then people would go to my podcast and give me one-star reviews calling me anti-vaccine. And I came out time and time again.

I was like, I'm not anti, but look at the studies that are coming out right now. And we can't deny that people are being injured. I had a very, very close friend still to this day is in and out of hospitals because she has pericarditis, which is inflammation around the sack, around the heart. And I just, but then people would call me anti-vax. They would call her anti-vax if she came out and just said like, look, I took it and I was injured and people are still calling them anti-vax, even if call her anti-vax if she came out and just said like, look, I took it and I was injured and people are still calling them anti-vax even if you already took it. It was insanity. I'm so grateful that you were outspoken about this. I was actually talking to Grace right before we came in here and she said that that's how she met you was through her school. They were trying to mandate the vaccine. And so she, her mom, I guess, met with you

during that time. I'm so grateful that you were outspoken during this time. What was the, I'm assuming you got a lot of pushback from that in this world. Oh, yeah. So it's interesting reading. I almost feel bad recommending the book because I come out looking like a saint, which I'm not. Okay. But what was interesting about that is nobody else would listen to him. Ken Rutgers, who is a Green Bay Packer,

not my constituent, he lives out in Oregon, but he heard what I was saying about VAERS, and I was acknowledging these things. So he reached out to me. I was the last elected official they wanted to be associated with. I was so poisoned to them because of the media, the way they were painting me, the way they were vilifying me and ridiculing me. Because you were outspoken? Because I was just pointing out the VAERS system. I mean, I was fortunate enough to have talked to somebody called Dr. Michael Yeadon, who worked for Pfizer for 30 years, ended up being vice president of research, his specialty

is in toxicology. He was beside himself when he heard what his former colleagues were doing. Again, they all were educated. They all know the same thing. He said, Ron, there's a long list of ingredients we don't put into injectables because they're toxic to the body. When I heard my colleagues were going to invent an injection that was going to turn the body into its own manufacturer of something that

is toxic to it, encapsulated in something that is designed to permeate, difficult to permeate barriers. Okay, so all these lies. And he published, you know, the 13 lies of COVID. But it starts with, oh, it's going to stay in your arm. No, they knew it wouldn't. They had studies in RAS that that lipid nanoparticle travels all over the place, concentrates in the ovaries, the adrenal glands.

They knew it was going to happen. And then, of course, the mRNA, which is not real mRNA, which does degrade very rapidly, which is why they encapsulate that. This is modified. It was modified so it wouldn't degrade. So when those lipid nanoparticles delivered that mRNA to enter a cell, turn the cell into a little manufacturing site of something toxic to it, so those cells express that spike protein, what does the body do? It attacks it. It's not me. It's not part of me. I attack it. I destroy

what's not me. So if a lot of that settles on the heart, inflames the heart. I mean, when the body attacks itself, that's called inflammation. Attacks the nervous system, you know, that's what caused all the neurological. And yet all these doctors are just completely, because during COVID, you know, the people that testified before my committees, like Peter McCulloch, Pierre Corey, they got fired, they got sued, they had their careers destroyed. It doesn't take many individuals to be completely destroyed by the medical establishment, by the media, before other people say, I think I, you know, I've invested about $500,000 in my medical license here. I want to be able to practice medicine. Maybe I just shut up.

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How did they not shut you up? And how did you keep your job? They can't shut me up. Oh, yeah, okay. I guess because you were voted in. That's true. I'm a US Senator. That's true.

Now, what happened is they don't invite me on the main news shows anymore. I used to go and argue with Chuck Todd all the time. I don't get invited back to ABC, NBC, CBS. Well, they're all going under anyways. They're all. I realize that. But again, I did not realize how poisonous I was to the vaccine injured. I didn't really.

Now, they quickly met me, and their concerns were relieved. But prior to that, they really thought I was just, well, Bobby Kennedy in our event. He said, you used to be a supervillain to me. Gee. I don't view myself as a supervillain. I view myself as a pretty reasonable guy. Relatively, I don't view myself as a supervillain. I view myself as a pretty reasonable guy, you know, relatively, you know, I'm not bombastic. I'm pretty reasonable in my rhetoric.

Yeah. I get passionate about things. Which is a good thing. And I'm so grateful that you've been so passionate about all of this last couple of years because, I mean, so in my world, I feel like I've been fighting this battle for 20 years. Because like I said, you know, when I went to school, I woke up very early. I also have a brother who was vaccine injured when I was 21. And so that woke me up to the vaccine stuff. How badly injured? He ultimately passed away.

Yeah, like 10 years later. Actually, he was 11 when he passed away. So when was he vaccine injured? At what age? Pretty much like right after he was born. And then because he was born super healthy. And then day three, they gave him some routine shots, which I still don't know what those shots were. The nurse just told my mom that she was going to give him some shots.

His fever spiked. He ended up in an incubator for three weeks after that. And then he was neurologically never the same. Horrible. Yeah. You know know that's how bobby candy got involved in this too yeah i mean he he was environmental speaker right yeah it was all those moms that came to his events that he just i know he's like go i don't know

anything about i don't want to deal with this you know until the one mom had the you know tenacity to find out where he lives showed up with research a research paper, and to his credit, he read the research. And to his further, even greater credit, once his eyes were open, he couldn't shut his eyes. And that's, I think, true of all of us. That's how all of us feel. People say, oh, you're so courageous. No, my eyes are open. I'm sorry.

I can't close my eyes to this. I mean, I'm looking at this. We need to prevent further harm. That's exactly how I feel, too. And I look around and I see with our current food system, how many people are being harmed right now. I mean, 74 percent of our population is either overweight or obese. Fifty percent of our children are. And you know all this because we spoke about it at the roundtable. But so I want to start asking you a little bit, like what, I think we already know this, but I want to hear you outline this a little bit. What actually needs to be addressed to make real change with our food industry? So first we have to repair science. Yeah. How do we do that when

everything's so corrupted? Well, first of all, you have to expose how it is corrupted. Yeah. You know, Sabine Hazen, we talked about her earlier. She's got a really good tweet thread that just shows how corrupt, and that's maybe the wrong word, how biased or how tainted. People have their agendas. Peer reviewers have their agendas. Peer reviewers have their agendas. And there are some that have very high integrity, but there are an awful lot that don't. So they'll come and peer review a paper that is contrary to their findings and they just rip it. So it doesn't get published. Again, so that system doesn't work. The fact that research is funded by people who want a certain result.

Yeah. I mean, climate change. I mean, all this, all this stuff. I mean, it's just that just makes sense. Like, well, I'm paying for the research. That's not the result I want. And let's face it, somebody who's getting that grant, they know exactly the result that the funder wants. And particularly if they want another grant and another grant and another grant and so that's been been happening with anthony fauci for 40 years oh yeah as he's the highest paid federal employee i mean would you know with controlling the purse strings of billions of dollars in grant money people knew exactly what he wanted and they gave him that result so that has been corrupted so in order to fix any problem the the first step is, A, admitting you have one. Then secondly, completely diagnosing it, defining it properly.

I mean, what is the root cause? I mean, what has corrupted science and what can we do? So you've got to go through those steps and then you can start coming up with solutions. But from my standpoint, at the heart of it is going to lie independent boards of people from different disciplines that just, you know, really look at this stuff. And, you know, somebody published a research paper, the data has to be made available, easily accessible, easily, you know, manipulated, I mean, or analyzed, whatever, not manipulated, but analyzed. So it kind of starts there. But it starts with the acknowledgement that it's been corrupted.

And that's going to be difficult to get the public to accept because the public, by and large, doesn't want to believe things could be this corrupt. That's the silver lining of COVID is it was so obvious that something's wrong. Yeah. OK, I mean, as much as they keep pushing, the subcommittee, the House subcommittee, just published their results. Most of it's pretty rock solid. Nothing particularly new.

We all knew this stuff. But they come out big supporters of Operation Warp Speed. The COVID vaccine saved millions and millions of lives. There's no... I still can't believe people are saying that. I mean, we've got Dennis Rancourt saying, no, it killed about 17 million people

globally. I don't know what the figure is. I know that hundreds of thousands in America lost their lives lacking early treatment because they sabotaged the use of, whether it's ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, budesonide. I mean, there are a host of things. Yeah. Treat the pneumonia with

antibiotics. Instead, they slapped them on ventilators where they knew the fatality rate is going to be about 90%. Remdesivir, which is a corrupt little enterprise there, knocked out people's kidneys. They had, you know, I'm not a doctor, not a medical researcher. I think these protocols turned hospitals into killing fields. That's my own personal belief. I know it's a harsh statement, but I think that's just true. And I've heard story after story after story.

I'm talking to a lawyer right now that represented hundreds of families who wanted, once their family member was in a hospital, begging. But they went beyond begging. They sued the hospitals to administer ivermectin. Yeah. And the half that he won, only like three people died. Of the suits he lost, they all died. So he's going to be testifying for, I'll become chair, we'll hold a hearing on those hospital protocols and kind of what he's done. That's amazing. I think one of the biggest mistakes they made too was they were telling everybody, don't do anything. If you get COVID,

don't do anything, don't do anything. And then you wait until you're so sick that you can't breathe. And then you go to the hospital and then they throw you on that protocol. And at that point, there was no stopping that protocol. Like you just said, people were literally having to sue the hospital just to get their family on ivermectin so so the fun what what has caused that what has turned medicine into rather than prevention and then worst case treatment now we want to prevent with a drug a vaccine okay which in theory sounds great man if you can inject somebody and you never get that illness, fabulous, okay. But when you start playing around with God's amazing immune system, what could go wrong? A lot. A lot could go wrong, you know, particularly when you're

injecting like six different vaccines at the same time into a three-month-old child. Okay. Gee, maybe something could go wrong. But don't ask that question. Don't ever have it, you know, argued in a court of law because we've given everybody immunity from liability. And again, that's a fundamental problem now. Again, I'm not a fan of trial lawyers and I'm'm not a fan of multimillion-dollar judgments which bankrupt businesses. I mean, we do need – I do want drug companies. I do want them conducting research and developing new life-saving drugs.

I want that, okay? But I don't want them corrupting the process. And there's got to be some system to hold them accountable, force them to do the studies. I mean, we bypassed so many studies and then ignored the results. I mean, that's the really result of the Pfizer papers, which if you want to know how corrupt that was, the fact that not Pfizer, I mean, I think Pfizer probably would have gone to court. They didn't have to. The FDA went to court to try and keep the trial data from the public. Why would the FDA do that?

Could it be because they, well, so my last oversight letter based on the Pfizer papers, they had very early indications of a myocarditis in youth. It was obvious and they were scrambling. They're going to do a health advisory network warning on this, right? So they're all emails, heavily redacted, but you can tell they're going to warn the public about this. In the end, they didn't do that. Instead, they came up with a 17-page talking point memo, which is 100% redacted. We don't know what it is, but through four requests, they got it all redacted so i've written an oversight letter i'm not subject

to redactions i want to see that letter i want to see what you were doing yeah okay um so again total corruption because it'll show that the people in the fda the cdc nih they knew that these vaccines were causing myocarditis in youth and they hit it. But even worse than that, I mean, what I was looking at, because I'd been tipped off by Michael Eden, so I was very wary of this, we were looking at VAERS. I confronted Francis Collins in a meeting with, I don't know, five or six other Republican senators. They're all patting themselves on the back because they finally got the testing kits out. And I said, you know, I was the skunk in the room. So yeah, Dr. Collins, are you watching VAERS? I think at that time there was something like in the room. I said, yeah, Dr. Collins, are you watching VAERS?

I think at that time there were something like 3,000 deaths reported. I mean, that's unheard of, you know, a new drug associated with the COVID vaccine. At that time, about 46% were occurring day of vaccination within one or two days. So like thousands of deaths, 46% occurring within two days. And okay, I know, Dr. Collins, that VAERS doesn't prove causation. He said, well, you know, Senator, we've attributed six deaths with the J&J vaccine, you know, the clotting. But, you know, Senator, people die. Really? 3,000 within a couple months, 46% within a couple days. Especially with a new drug. So they were completely unconcerned about it.

Right now, the stats, these are worldwide stats, about over 37,000 deaths, 24% occurring on day zero, one or two. Now, they had a higher death rate early on because the early injections were with elderly. People, they couldn't handle the adverse. They just blew it off. They are continuing to blow it off. And again, the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus, again, chaired by a doctor, card-caging member of the medical establishment. I mean, everybody, almost every member here probably cut videos, did radio interviews,

get vaccinated, we've got to end this pandemic. So they all pushed the vaccine. Doctors pushed the vaccine. The social media and the media companies pushed the vaccine. So nobody wants to admit they're wrong. Yeah, that's a big problem. Nobody wants to do it with me. I guess maybe we should have been a little more cautious.

Maybe we should have listened to people like Michael Yeadon, who knew what he was talking about, could explain it in layman's terms. Because trust me, once Michael Yeadon very quickly explained to me what these injections were, there was no way I was going to put these in my body. So, you know, when I think my first moment of controversy was a local reporter asked me, you know, Senator, have you gotten the vaccine? This is like in February. And I said, again, I'm not a doctor. I don't know. I'm not'm not a doctor I don't know I'm not going to impose my you know I'm not going to spout off I said well no we don't have enough vaccines right

now there are other people more vulnerable besides I already had COVID asymptomatic by the way and we should talk about that yes already had that so you know I've already got the natural immunity which is probably better than the vaccine and I just got slaughtered for that you know, I've already got the natural immunity, which is probably better than the vaccine. And I just got slaughtered for that. You know, as a matter of fact, I went on to say, probably once I'm getting slaughtered for this, I said, listen, why are we so arrogant? I know. To think that mankind can produce a better immunity than what our creator has. And oh, by the way, everybody, you know, as Fauci is denying the ability of natural immunity,

what do you think the vaccine is going to rely on? Exactly. It was meant to trigger our natural immune system to, if we encountered this coronavirus, to kick in. And supposedly a vaccine that only is the spike protein, as opposed to your natural immune system is recognizing your entire face, the vaccine is only going to have your body recognize your nose. You can change your nose. And plus, natural immunity,

why do you think half the world population apparently got infected with the coronavirus? Again, that's a PCR test. You can go down that path too. But didn't have symptoms. Well, their natural immune system must have taken it. They probably had another cold of some different version of a coronavirus. You know, coronavirus isn't new. Most colds are rhinoviruses, but there are coronaviruses,

and maybe they're close enough, and maybe those of us who had a coronavirus in the past, maybe we already had natural immunity to it. We knew how to fight it off. But all this stuff was denied. It was all a big lie, and they're still lying about it. They're still covering up. I mean, it's so sick. I just wonder what it's going to take for those people that still believe all the lies to actually realize what really happened during that time. Because I remember, like I said, I was paying attention during all of this because of my brother. And I was like,

oh, I'm not going to take this new vaccine. I don't understand this at all. This is a new medication, despite them saying, oh, this is safe and effective. And we actually have 20 years of research. Well, the research showed in the animals that it was killing people or killing the animals. And so I already knew that. And then also, if you actually took the time to read the studies that were coming out, Pfizer came out with a study and they showed that they, one, they didn't even test for it, but they didn't even know if it was going to keep us from transmitting COVID or not. And then I'm watching the news and Rachel Maddow and everybody's going, if you get vaccinated, Biden said this too, that you will not catch it and you will not be able to transmit it. And I was going,

yeah. And I was going, wait, but that's not, that's literally not what the science says. Like what is going on here? And then the thing you brought up the myocarditis, and I think this is important for people to hear this. There was a study that just came out kind of recently, and it's the largest scale study they've done on children, COVID and vaccines. And they found that not a single child that had just gotten COVID got myocarditis. The myocarditis was only coming from the vaccine. Only, period. And myocarditis is not mild.

Yes. And we don't know what the long-term effects of that is. How do you explain all the sudden deaths? Yeah. All these, you know, they go to sleep, they don't wake up. I mean, the athletes dropping dead or unconscious on the field and it's like, and all those, and every time that would be reported, you say, well, did they get a vaccine? They would never ask the question. I know. All these vaccine-injured go to their doctors, and they just refuse to acknowledge they had anything to do with the vaccine. I know.

So, no, nobody ever wants to admit they're wrong, right? All the people who got the vaccine, they literally just want to move on. They want to forget about it. They want to put this in the past. They don't want to look at the studies that might show that some of these things, the DNA contamination, the SV40 sequence that are contaminating these vaccines, that that could produce cancer sometime in the future. Nobody wants to recognize that, and I understand that. I don't even like talking about

it. I know. But it's just, it's the truth. I mean, you're getting these terrible cancers. You're having cancers that have been in remission come roaring back into stage four. I mean, this is happening. It's not being reported on. And yet they're still pushing these things. That's the most outrageous thing. This was experimental. They knew it was going to—I mean, they should have known all these things. That's what Mike Eden says. I know what these guys know.

I know they're lying to us. I know they know they're lying to us. And yet they're doing it, and they're still doing it brazenly. Was it—I know we don't know definitively, but in your opinion, was this a control thing or was this a money thing? To me, it seems like a money thing. And I'll say this really fast. I'm going to outline this. So part of the reason or the way that they were able to emergency authorize this vaccine in the first place is because in order to enact that, there can be no other viable medication to treat that. Now, I was sitting over here going, wait, wait, wait, wait, there was hydroxychloroquine.

I was holding earrings. There was all this other stuff that we knew, but they intentionally suppressed all that so that they could push this vaccine forward. Now, do you believe that that was for money? So when you consider the global cost of the pandemic, I mean, just the economic cost, the human suffering, it's trillions of dollars. The profit made in the vaccine, tens, hundreds of billions. I mean, it's not even close.

So I have a hard time thinking. It could be the profit motive. It could be people being so unbelievably greedy that they're just waiting to spring anything they could call a pandemic. Of course, there are people who say there was no pandemic. I mean this didn't spread – again, I'm not going to wade into that because I just don't have any expertise. I do know – and my first hearing – well, my first hearing was in actually February. But the one where I really started questioning things was in May. Of 2021? Of 2020, this was very early on. I'm hopping on board hydroxychloroquine, talking to Novartis,

who produces it, and they were going to have like 12 studies, and they're all going to be coming out in May. They went dark by the end of April because I think that's when somebody, they made the decision, this is going to be vaccine. Don't worry about anything else. But my first hearing was with Johnny and Edis and others trying to calm everybody down because they're the Princess Cruise. So we had that crucible of a study. It's just a perfect little 700 person, whatever study. And from that, we could understand the lethality of this thing and the vulnerability. So if you're old and elderly, had certain comorbidities, comorbidities. That's a hard one to say.

Well, especially when you talk fast. Yeah, this would be a threatening disease. But if you're young and healthy, you know, it's going to be like a flu. Maybe a bad flu, but whatever. The Center for Evidence-Based Medicine at Oxford, they were very early on predicting an infection fatality rate of about double a bad flu season. So this isn't Ebola. It's not SARS. It's not MERS. This is going to be maybe double a bad flu season, which is serious. Take it serious.

Load up on vitamin D. Of course, like the Grinch, Fauci, solid world hunger told no one he was taking vitamin D. Of course he was. Why didn't he tell anybody else to do that? Because he wouldn't make any money for all of his environment. I know. But again, I think it's more about control. If you look at him and Rick Bright, who was the guy who really torpedoed hydroxychloroquine, but they're at a conference with the Milken

Institute, I think in October 2019. And they're just bemoaning the fact that they don't have a universal vaccination program. And flu's never going to do it. People aren't convinced. You don't have a high enough program. And flu is never going to do it. People aren't convinced. You don't have a high enough percentage. It's probably going to take a pandemic. Well, isn't it interesting? The coronavirus is already probably circulating because of Anthony Fauci's gain-of-function research

that Ralph Baric took the next level and then transferred to the Bat Lady in Wuhan. This is all pretty obvious to me, okay? And they got their pandemic. They were ready for it. They had the Trusted News Initiative from the Event 201 that occurred a few weeks after that Milken Institute thing. I mean, of course, Bobby Kennedy lays us all out in the real Anthony Fauci.

Everybody should read that book. Absolutely. They'll find out this guy is a, he's an evil man. Very evil. I know. I was, and I caught onto this early too. I just felt like during 2020 and this whole, the last like three and a half years, I was going, oh my God, what is happening to everybody?

Everybody was under a trance. Oh, King Fauci, you know, our Lord and Savior and the vaccines and all this stuff. I just was blown away that people could not see the corruption. But I say this often, once you open your eyes to one part of it, you basically copy and paste it to every other institution. And this is what I did with food because, you know, I've been studying this for a long time, the corruption. And this is what I spoke about at the Senate roundtable was I my eyes were opened with glyphosate, how it's being sprayed on all of our food. Monsanto has a full well now Bayer has a full monopoly over our food system. Essentially, it's a big agrochemical company that is producing the majority of the seeds for our food.

And once my eyes were open to that, I was like, oh, copy and paste. This is happening in all of our other institutions. So this actually brings me to, I want to talk a little bit about, I asked on my Instagram because I wanted to see kind of what my audience was wanting answers from. And I got a bunch of things back. First of all, is it possible to reallocate farm subsidies from corn and wheat and soy to healthier food items like fruits and vegetables, livestock, dairy, meat, things like that? First, real quick on glyphosate. So do you know Stephanie Senhoff? No. Okay, so I got to introduce you to her as well.

She's an interesting person from MIT. She's really been digging into this. And it is interesting. Glyphosate, as a pre-emergent, requires, obviously, GMO seed. Yeah. Okay, that might make sense. I mean, I think you always have to be concerned about what are we doing to our soil microbiome. But at the same time, you can test that and see what's happening.

But it's when they realized that it was also a really good desiccant and they started spraying it on our food. Yep. It's like, okay, now, okay. Now, I've got to put, and I'll get to your question, but it was interesting after our event, okay, about a couple weeks later, this letter was written to the chair and ranking members of the Senate and House Ag Cultural Committee. It's signed by over 250 ag cultural interests. Whoa. Okay, let me just read you a couple.

Okay. Genetic improvement technologies are likewise essential for continued U.S. ag cultural productivity, sustainability, and competitiveness. Pesticides are essential for protecting public health and infrastructure from deadly or destructive pests such as mosquitoes, termites, rodents, bedbugs, and others. The United States has risk and science-based statutory authorities in place to support the safety and proper use of these important tools. Products of biotechnology, for example, are thoroughly regulated by USDA, FDA, and EPA to ensure they do not pose environmental food or food safety risks. To go on. Should these misunderstandings persist? I mean, should we persist?

We are concerned with the impact it would have on U.S. consumers' ability to access safe, nutritious food supply. Farmers need tools to protect their crops and livestock, which is essential for food national security, providing affordable goods to consumers and U.S. competitiveness and global economy. I agree with that last. OK. Yeah. And I'm not saying that they're not making legitimate points here. Yeah. OK. I think I think so. I want to be a very honest broker in this. I'm kind of like not taking sides. I've got a completely open mind. I mean, obviously, wonderful things have happened with pharmaceuticals. Wonderful things have happened with advances in chemistry. Things like pesticides. But as I think probably the most, as great as your testimony was and everybody else, I think the most important thing said in that event, the end of

September, was by Dr. Chris Palmer, psychiatrist, looking at nutrition as it relates to mental health. When he said they, they don't want to discover the root cause. That's the whole issue. And that has to sink in. They really, I mean, autism. How can the FDA, how can they not be just doing study after study after study how could they completely ignore of course you've seen this the things with bill thompson in the movie vaxxed about how they destroyed evidence that they did prove the mnr was attributed to i think autism in black children

um black young boys i think it was yeah i could be wrong be wrong don't fact check me on that research yourself but this if we do find the root cause of these things it can completely disrupt these industries so I understand you know profitable industries kind of going to be careful here and we should be careful

whatever we do has got to be completely science-based, which is why, again, the first thing we have to do is we need to restore integrity to science. And what the government funds is done not with, you know, an evil dictator like Fauci, totally compromised, thoroughly captured, and completely independent board of a bunch of people from coming. These people ought to be at the table. Yeah, I agree. I mean, they ought to say, hang on, that doesn't make sense to us.

You ought to be at the table. interest in here, including patients and consumers. We need honest brokers providing oversight in terms of how we proceed with this science. That is the issue, though, is because we do not have honest brokers, which brings me to, we can get back to the other question I asked. I haven't answered your question. No, it's okay, because this goes into other questions that I had for you. I'm concerned, and I know a lot of people are concerned about this. How likely is it that RFK Jr. is actually going to get voted in? Because he has to be actually voted in by the Senate, correct? Well, so nothing happens around here without public pressure. Yeah. Okay. What gives me the greatest, first of all, I'm kind of doing the unofficial whip count. So I've talked to 41 of the 49 Republican senators. I've got almost all the conversations go the same way.

They go, boy, there's a lot of stuff. I just love what Bobby's talking about here. Right. But yeah, I'm really concerned about, you know, there's about three or four issues. Okay. Which I think, you know, having listened to Bobby, I think he'll be able to alleviate those concerns pretty easily if they have an open mind. But I think the greatest thing he has going for his favor is all these people here who understand that they are representing their constituents and their constituents are speaking loud and clearly in a nonpartisan way. We want to solve the chronic health care crisis. want to get the bomb this we want to understand what the root cause is yeah and so um the fact that and again i i just give bobby so much credit for you know first having the courage to run for president you know he he was risking his life. He wasn't getting Secret Service protection. Working his tail off, okay, for so many months,

recognizing in the end, listen, it's two-party, you know, third-party candidates just, I mean, the probability of success is so low. Recognizing that early enough to reach out to both campaigns and say, listen, I'm on a mission for this. Will you work with me? And to Trump's credit, he said, yeah, because that's something they agree on. There's all kinds of things they disagree on. But, yeah, let's focus on that.

I think Trump knows some people that he also believes were vaccine injured from the childhood schedule. So he had an open mind to that, which is why initially he was going to appoint Bobby in his first administration to outside committee. And somebody inside, probably Fauci, tanked that for him. So I think Trump probably realized that was a mistake. And the two men set aside their differences to focus this and i'm hoping bobby really appreciates how welcomed he was within our party yeah i think i would assume that he probably does because he got so ostracized by his other party um and it's so interesting to me that so many people still don't see that they They just see like, oh, I don't even know what their argument is other than like they say that like Harris rejected him.

And so then he, you know, went to Trump to try to get in some party or another. But people don't recognize that he's been a lifelong Democrat and they essentially pushed him out. He was essentially running. He was running for a Democrat. They wouldn't let him in the primary. They wouldn't let him in the primary they wouldn't allow i mean the the party that claims they're going to defend democracy was the most this has been the most undenic democratic primary in an election on the democrat side in our history oh it's unreal they wouldn't allow for primary challenges they completely blocked him with the help of the mainstream media who would never give him an

airing wouldn't you know i remember when bobby said earlier in the campaign this would be the first presidential campaign decided by podcasts now for for him to win that would have to be true so i mean i said well i wish it were true because these podcasts are great this isn't a three-minute interview we can get into depth in these things i still believe that's true though i think well i think in the end it was so it didn't elect him, but I think it went along. You know, Bobby's joining the team with Tulsi Gabbard, you know, showing that coalition, a nonpartisan coalition. You know, plus then Trump going on, you know, Theo Vaughn and Joe Rogan, obviously. So then America could see the person I know when I talk to him in person, which, you know, I've always said, if you spend time with Trump, you cannot not like him.

Yeah, I've heard that. Obviously, he's charismatic, he's funny, he's engaging. But that's kind of like the media has turned me into a supervillain. I'm really not a supervillain, but that's what we've done to him. You're just honest, and you're going against their narrative. They have a specific narrative. They have a specific prerogative. And anyone that steps out of that line, they're going to immediately bastardize.

So what I'm – because I'm generally not an optimist. I'm pretty pessimistic. We're going down a destructive path here. But what gives me hope is that we at least had a majority of Americans that had their eyes opened and realized that. Yeah. I don't think very many people who voted for Trump thinks he's a perfect human being. Okay, they have misgivings, I'm sure, but they were so outraged by how he'd been treated, you know, starting 2016 and all the way through the torment, you know, and then, you know,

particularly, you know, in this last round, the lawfare, all that kind of stuff. I mean, people said, no, this is grotesquely unfair. This has to stop. And I think that was a, there are many factors that, you know, decide the election. But I think that was a big one where people just said, this can't, this is just wrong. This is what's going to destroy our democracy right here. Yeah. Well, I know myself and I think many people listening voted for Trump because of RFK, like RFK was my guy. And when he sided with Trump, I was like, all right, I'm in, let's do this. Were you initially disappointed though, that he did that? No, I actually wasn't because the way that I saw it was, I felt like this was actually the perfect pairing. And I felt like this was the way to get Bobby into a position where he shines the most because I really thought

about it at first. I was like, oh, man. And then I really thought about it. I was like, you know what? I actually really believe that Trump is more equipped to actually be president. And I believe Bobby is better and more well equipped to be in a position like the HHS where he can actually really focus on the things that he is, he's an expert at. So I, I really ultimately was very happy with it and I'm very happy. And that's what I was going to ask you about him is, so if he gets voted in, do you believe that he will really be able to help institute some change in some of these corrupt institutions? Like, will he, I don't, I don't know anybody better suited, which is why the Wall Street Journal Ed Board came out with a pretty negative column here today, which I was disappointed to see. You have Scott Gottlieb, who is hard to, other than Fauci, think of somebody more compromised

than Scott Gottlieb, FDA commissioner going over to Pfizer board. Oh, yeah, it was that guy. Pushing Remdesivir as well, because I think he's associated with Gilead as well. So, no, Bobby, because of his work in environmentalism, saw the corporate capture of other agencies, understands the process, acknowledges the problem, first step, right, you've got to make, you have a problem, has already done a fair amount of root cause analysis. Now, again, it's going to be difficult because, as I said, I think the

shredders and, you know, the erasers of disk drives are in full force. So, you know, he'll want to expose, I'm going to help him, you him. I'll be subpoenaing these records. So it's not going to be easy. I mean, my concern about Trump is over-promising, under-delivering. My concern about Doge. Yeah, me too. Great ideas, but you guys, I mean, you're dealing with this Leviathan here. Yeah. It's slow moving.

So my approach in business has always been to under-promise, over-deliver. Under-budget, beat the budget. So America has to understand this is going to take some time. So you got to do it step by step. What I hope Bobby does is lay it out. Let me handle the vaccines. Okay, that's too controversial. Okay, you focus on what America wants. I mean, we want to get to the bottom of chronic illness. In, that's too controversial. Okay, you focus on what America wants. I mean, we want to get to the bottom of chronic illness. In doing that, you will expose the capture of those

agencies. You'll expose the corruption, but do the fundamental things. Figure out a way to fix scientific research, to restore integrity to it. I hope Bill Clinton, with the Bill Clinton with his, you know, signature of a pen allowed Big Pharma to advertise.

I hope that they roll that back. I mean, it's just, again, I'm a free market guy, free speech. Let people advertise. No, now that I saw why pharma does it and the impact of it, let's let only one company one country in the world you know a lot of big pharma i was gonna say there were only one of two like what are we doing here with that and so this brings me my to my next question because i'm seeing a lot of concern about this on both ends of the spectrum so i see people criticize bobby because they're

concerned about him deregulating everything. And I live kind of in the middle where I believe like some of these things have to be regulated. I mean, if we are knowingly poisoning our population, we have to do something about that. But I see a lot of concern of a nanny state, you know, and I know this is a big Republican thing where people want to be left to their own accord to make their own decisions. So where where do you feel like is the middle ground? And can we maybe speak a little bit to that where people are concerned about both ends of the spectrum?

So what I'm hoping is through education, podcasts like this, events like we held, the public becomes aware and starts demanding it. Yeah. Okay, so it's public pressure. It's market demand that is going to drive people toward non-GMO or healthier food, that type of thing. But you need regulation.

I just had the Wisconsin Dairy Association, I think the National Dairy Association come in. So I asked them about raw milk, which I'm intrigued by. My parents grew up on dairy farms. So they probably drank raw milk. But one of the people in the meeting was in distribution. And I said, I mean, is it possible to make this widely available? And she's just going. Yeah. And it is. It needs to be with local farms if you want it. So it's kind of a specialty niche thing. But it's not. It's literally too dangerous to provide.

Okay. so for the cost benefit, the benefit doesn't exceed the cost of the potential outbreaks of, you know, whatever, the listeria, whatever that, you know, is knocked out with pasteurization. So, you know, you reduce the nutritional value, but it's a whole lot safer product with still a lot of nutritional value. So that's probably pretty good balance there. But again, those are the questions. Those are the offsets that you have to consider here. But you have to have information. You have to have science. That's why you have to have everybody at the table talking like decent human beings with the public's interest at heart. Not your own economic interest, but let's think of the public. Let's think of your customers.

Because as a private sector guy, first of all, customer is king. You take care of your customers and you do it well, you'll be successful in business. So businesses, again, I actually do have a great deal of faith in people who run businesses because they're not trying to harm their customers. They're not trying to harm their employees. They're trying to produce good products and stay solvent and make a profit so they can continue to do it. So, again, it's a different attitude here because, you know, coming from the private sector, I do have faith in most businesses. But I also realize there is corruption and there are some greedy people and that's why you need kind of government

intervention make sure they don't form monopolies that they don't capture the agencies that they don't you know corrupt the agencies for the benefit of them at the expense of their customers and consumers and that's the pendulum swung too far that way yeah so we got we got to rein that back in but i would i would you know so absolutely need regulation I would love the government to be the honest arbiter of regulating science. Organic. I mean, that's been corrupted. Oh, yeah. I kind of set my hostess donuts aside as much as that.

I'm still doing Smarties every now and again, sorry. And more organic. aside as much as that you know my i'm still doing smarties every now and again sorry and more organic but i have to admit i'm i'm i don't really have faith that all this stuff is that yeah okay they're calling it yeah i'm sure this is yeah sure grass-fed uh i know but i would you know i come from manufacturing where you have you know iso certification those are private sector companies they're a bunch of certification companies and the private sector companies. They're a bunch of certification companies. And the private sector itself can police itself. So if I'm one of the competitors, if I'm one of the businesses, that I'm being certified by this company, and my competitor is being certified by that, and they're cheating, okay, well, you can start calling the whistler. You can probably sue them in the private sector.

And that won't be perfect, but it'll police itself as opposed to having government regulators to get corrupted to get bought off so that organic food in you know in this state where they're importing all this feed from china that is not organic but but then they're labeling it organic but they're allowing it in that state because they want their agribusiness to succeed over that state's agribusiness. So, again, you have to understand kind of how business works, how it all works. And try and make this as honest as possible so the consumer is informed. Yeah.

So then consumer drives demand. And there's, by the way, there's a great book I read. The guy was actually a comms director for my 2016 campaign, Brian Reisinger. And he was raised on a small little farm in Sauk County in Wisconsin, a dairy farm. It was started by his great-grandfather. And it's just – the book is called Land Rich, Cash Poor. And it just goes through kind of the heartbreaking struggle of small farms trying to survive.

And we're losing, I think it says, 35,000 small farms a year. So what I'm hoping is that this whole organic better nutrition will create real opportunities for smaller farmers, smaller distribution

systems, to augment the big food processes, which we still need. I mean, we do need to deliver mass quantities of food at affordable prices. But, you know, the consumer demand all of a sudden, well, let's, you know, let's do Froot Loops, but let's do the Canadian version where it's natural food coloring versus all the other crap. Yeah. You know, the McDonald's fries, you know, let's do French fries, sea salt and taro. Yes. I love that.

I do research. I love that. Yeah. And that's all Bobby is saying too. And I think this is where it gets lost on a lot of people is he's not saying he's going to come in and take your Twinkies and take your McDonald's and all this stuff. He just wants to make sure the ingredients in there are actually really food. And that you know what they are.

I mean, first and foremost, this is what it is. And again, I think the event that you participated in, that opened a lot of people's eyes. I hope so. I mean, you guys do great jobs with podcasts, but there's something about a U.S. Senate forum to highlight it. And I mean, I've been really, it's fun to watch all your snippets out there, you know, two million views here. It's like that educated the public and that gets shared. This is how, you know, this is the beauty of what we have now with technology that as

long as it's not censored and God bless Elon Musk for buying X, he's going to lose his you know what on that purchase. But offering that free speech forum now for this information to flourish. And again, I would advise everybody watching, take it with a grain of salt. I'm sure Courtney's right on just about everything. But there may be some things, who knows? Well, exactly. And it goes back

to earlier what we were saying, like what we know now we may find out later was not entirely true. It wasn't the whole picture. And I'm always so open to that. And also the whole process of science is that, you know, we learn what we learn at the time and then new things come out, new hypotheses, new theories, and then we have to go and study those. And then we find out new, and that's the whole process of science. There's nothing more unscientific than the term scientific consensus. Yes, exactly. I mean, that's just like fingernails on a chalkboard. I mean, all during COVID, the consensus is, no, that is not scientific. Yes. You know, not even close. Exactly. So, okay, to go back to a little, because I have a couple questions about regarding like policies and all of that. So you had mentioned something about smaller distribution for small

farms. Now, this is something I'm super passionate about. Is there ever a world in which that could actually happen on, it's, this is kind of an oxymoron of like on a large scale, but not if that makes sense, where we have, I don't know if there's like policies in place that could happen where we could almost encourage the American public to shop more locally. So I think the best way of making that happen is returning these policies back to the states. Okay. I mean, our problem, you know, we passed something called a farm bill. It's a food stamp bill. Yeah. Okay. And we have made so many people dependent on food stamps, and we allow them to buy crap. 10% of it is spent on soda. The first thing, we should rein that in.

So at least what we're supplying in terms of food subsidies to families is we've got to buy healthy stuff. Sorry, you can't buy the crap in a package. Buy whole potatoes. Because otherwise you're going to end up on our health care bill. Yeah. So if we do that, again, I've said this for a long time, I'd much rather have Wisconsin lawmakers determining how do you support dairy pricing and not have to worry about, well, how are we subsidizing Kansas wheat and Florida oranges and sugar? Because otherwise it gets all wrapped up in the farm bill, all these different subsidy programs.

You probably throw way more money than you need to at it, and it's not good. I mean, in the end, the result is watered down in some way, shape, or form. So start returning those farm policies back to the states and let them figure it out for their own best interest. Because then they're going to be far more responsive to the type of agriculture in their states. So that would literally be my, again, I'm not a fan of the federal government. And if I have a mission, when I came here and it's still my mission, is to wean as many Americans off relying on the federal government as I can. It doesn't solve problems.

It exacerbates problems as it's mortgaging our future. We're $36 trillion in debt. This isn't working. Sorry, we're just not smart enough. Members of Congress sure aren't. Our staffs aren't. The bureaucrats aren't. I mean, try and deal with the complexity of ag culture markets, which, by the way, they need support.

I mean, agriculture is completely different than virtually any other business. I mean, you can dial up supply in other businesses. In agriculture, it's like you commit to the seeds and the fertilizer to grow the crop. And if you get wiped out by weather or you have a bumper crop and prices collapse again it's it needs support you know if we're going to feed ourselves you have to support farmers in some way shape or form but again i'd much rather do it at a statewide level as opposed to national i agree i'm fully in um in what's the word i'm looking for but yes i agree with you and full agreeance so okay you've brought up the farm bill and I had a couple of questions and I hope you're good.

I'm good to go until 1130 if you're okay. Okay. I think we get booted. Okay, perfect. Well, that's perfect. Cause I have, I'm a US Senator. I like to talk. Oh, I love it. And I have so many questions about like policies and stuff. And one of them was you brought up the farm bill and I want to talk about the subsidies, but also I know, so I don't know what the correct term is, but I read that the farm bill was, it was supposed to be up in September of this year. And there was something really concerning in the farm bill, which gives them immunity to litigation. If somebody feels as though they got cancer from their products, like glyphosate, they slid in there that they could have immunity from being sued. And that's

because they have been getting sued like crazy. I think they've paid out, don't quote me on this, but I believe it's 2.2 billion so far to people that have gone on Hodgkin's lymphoma and other forms of cancer. I think Bobby Candy got the biggest reward, right? Yes. Yeah, for that. Which is why they hate him. Well, exactly. Exactly. And it's why they go so hard after him. I mean, one of the main reasons why they go so hard after him in the media. But is it too late to fix this? Because I know once that goes in, it's four years before it gets readjusted.

Well, first of all, so we're just operating an extension. Okay. So we still have to pass the next iteration of a farm bill. I am sympathetic, as we talked about, as the adversarial system. I'm an accountant, business guy. I avoided lawyers in the judicial process like a plague in business. So I conducted myself well, so I didn't have to deal with that. accountant, business guy, I avoided lawyers in the judicial process like a plague in business. So I conducted myself well, so I didn't have to deal with that. Trial lawyers are not my favorite class of people, but they serve a very valuable purpose, but they need to be somewhat restrained.

We can't let trial lawyers run the roost where we just destroy industry after industry after industry, particularly industries that are by and large operating under the rules that we've laid. Okay. Call it good faith. You know, again, if you find out like the backer industries, these guys knew about it and said, okay, that's something different. So open up these companies or eliminate liability. You can certainly limit it.

I think it makes sense. Medical malpractice, we need doctors. We need nurses. Of course. We can't sue them to oblivion. Okay, so yeah, people screw up, sued, but cap it at some point in time. I think we'll have to do the same thing with vaccine injuries. I want to help the vaccine injured.

It can't just be they sue them and get billions of dollars because you've got juries that aren't thinking about the whole economic consequences on this. So then my question is at what point do we start going, huh, so $2.2 billion has been paid out to people that have gotten cancer and we're still spraying our crops with this. At what point? So I understand what you're saying, but it's like, at what point do we intervene and go,

maybe we need to investigate this? I think the point when we've fixed science and the research done has integrity and we can believe it. Yeah. Okay. So we're not going from one extreme to the other and go, oh, this is fine. I mean, the thing says here that we have rigorous controls versus people rigorous, you know, controls versus, you know, people that go, you know, this is going to cause it, but it's not. I mean, it's, it's low enough level and it's, it is safe. I mean, our body, again, our bodies are amazing in terms of how we can detoxify ourself. And we were,

we're subject to toxins throughout our lives and somehow we survive somehow life expectancy until, you know, the drug addictions, you know, drug overdose and stuff is limited, but we're doing a lot better. For some reason, that's why the event we had was not exactly how I outlined it. It ended up being wonderful and all that kind of stuff, but my outline for that event literally was history of sanitation, starting with dissolving illusions. Yeah, which is... They just recognize that, you know, the reason most of these infectious diseases are controllable

at a much lower level is because we don't live in squalor anymore. Yeah. You know, we have sewer systems. Okay. So that's the main reason. It's not vaccines that have eradicated these. It's basically good sanitation, which in some of our bigger cities, because we're not fiscally responsible, we're losing good sanitation. So anyways, so it starts there.

Then the next outline point I wanted was the history of and changes in agriculture. Now, let's look at that. How has it changed from, you know, what would you say? No, was it renewable farming? Regenerative farming. Yeah, regenerative farming. You know, that's how say? No, was it renewable farming? Regenerative farming. Yeah, regenerative farming. You know, that's how it always was for millennia. And all of a sudden, we figured out fertilizers.

You know, Rockefeller figured out how to turn oil into, you know, as a useful product. Pharmaceuticals. Could be great. You know, the wonders of chemistry. Okay. And again, during this whole history, if you go back 100 years, our life expectancy has gone from something in the 40s to now we're approaching 80. So we're not doing everything bad.

And one of the reasons, I think one of the reasons you have more cancers is, well, we're getting older. And our cells don't have the ability to repair. I mean, it's just, I hate it. I mean, I don't see anything good about getting old. My body's wasting away. But that's just life, okay? And until we figure out how to stop that aging process, and we may

never be able to, that's going to happen too. So again, as you can see, I've got a very open mind in terms of what's causing this. I mean, in general, we ought to really be focusing on is the chronic illness in youth. I mean, that's what's gone haywire, you know, obesity. And that's where we see the big issues. And again, that's what's going to be so popular. And that's what I really want Bobby to focus on is HHS. It's not controversial. Now, again, once we determine the right root cause, it might be very controversial for those individuals that are going to have to change their business model to minimize or alleviate that root cause. Yeah. Yeah. And that's a that's a big concern. And in my opinion, I think I mean, it's so multifaceted the way that we attack this.

But I think one of them is going back to what I said earlier was the subsidies, because we know right now that we're paying farmers subsidies to grow corn, wheat and soy. A lot of that goes to our livestock and that a lot of it ends up in our ultra-processed foods that are on the shelves. It's why when you read the back of the ingredient label, it says contains corn, wheat, and soy in almost every single one of those products. So I got a ton of questions about this. Is it possible and what has stopped us so far from changing those subsidies now that we know? Because I think back in the day, I think it was written in good conscious because they saw, oh, this is the most nutrient dense. We're going to be able to, you

know, send it all across the nation. We're going to be able to feed everybody. I think it all started in good conscious. But now in 2024, we know and we're seeing all these chronic diseases that many are linked back to these hyper processed foods. So is it possible for us to rewrite those subsidies? And would we do that? So I think it's, again, it's, you know, I'm the dairy state, right? My parents grew up on dairy farms. I've done everything except artificially inseminate a cow. My uncle tried to talk me into it. I didn't do it. But I have no idea how they determine dairy pricing. I mean, it's incomprehensible. I mean, the fact that you have dairy farmers, they don't know what they're going to get for the milk till like three or four weeks later when they get their

dairy check. So this is complex stuff, okay? In general, what I would try and do is design the subsidies to mitigate or alleviate the risk of farming. Okay? Don't design the subsidies to drive markets, to drive production. Try and let the market determine and what you sure don't want to do is produce subsidies that produces overproduction.

That's what's happening. Cheese, I mean, all kinds of things. So I don't have the answers on that, but again, if you define the problem properly, if you try and design the solutions based on principles, and again, principles are agriculture is difficult and we got to protect farmers with crop insurance,

from price fluctuation, that type of thing, and do it in a way that doesn't drive overproduction. Again, not an easy thing to do, okay? Yeah, that makes sense. That's really hard. And particularly when you've got a dysfunctional place like this where everybody, you know, pays to play, and they're all, you know, they got to see at the table and all they care about is you know we want x number of dollars for yeah you know media had yesterday somebody's like we we have four million dollars for this first of all let's not talk money okay so let's focus on you know if

there's a screwed up pricing program or something like that let's let's not talk about grant money for your advertising whatever it. It's like, we don't have it. We're just running an eight, $1.8 trillion deficit. We're $36 trillion in debt. I mean, quit looking at the federal government to fund things.

Okay. Yeah. Look to the federal government to quit screwing crap up, you know, and where we need a little bit of help, a little direction for the federal government, help us design the proper direction. Yeah,

no, I, I completely agree. So I'm curious what it's like with you and your colleagues right now, because I spoke about this briefly in the very beginning. I find it really interesting that I'm now fighting my own colleagues in the nutrition world over RFK and all of this stuff, because so many of them them were democratic and they believed that everything that they want to see changed was going to happen through the democrats and now they're kind of going like i don't like this i don't want it to be with the republican side with trump

are you kind of seeing similar things like in your world too with your colleagues has is it still pretty political in the sense that like people don't want to get on board with the mission simply because it's under Trump and RFK? Or is there more of just like a bipartisan thing happening? So I talked to a lot more Republican senators and Democrats. I think Democrats were pretty open. I think a couple of the Democrat colleagues, you could see that they harbored ill will toward what Bobby did politically and stuff. But again, almost the Democrats and Republicans alike, the first words out of the mouth, boy, there's a lot that I love that Bobby's doing. Okay, focus on that. I mean,

again, I'm a business guy, right? I mean, the bizarre thing about this is people push division because it works politically. In the private sector, you have to focus on areas of agreement. I mean, you don't get very far in the business world arguing all the time. So it's like, okay, I got a product, you want to buy it. We agree business world arguing all the time. Exactly. So it's like, okay, I got a product. You want to buy it. We agree on that. Let's focus on that. Okay, now we can haggle over the price.

So it is about focusing on areas of agreement. And again, that's what I give Trump and Bobby credit for is they talked. Yeah, that's something we can agree on. Yeah. Benefits both of us. You know, it helps Trump get elected. It helps Bobby finally get a position where he can do what he's been crusading to do for a long time. Exactly. Well, I'm so happy to hear that because,

like I said, there's a lot of fighting in my world with all of this. And it's so frustrating to me because I see it as a zoomed out, like, I don't see it as like left versus right. I see this as a bipartisan issue. And how can we all get on board? Because essentially, we all want very similar things, you know. And so just so for your Democrat listeners, yeah, now, you know, Bobby called me a supervillain. You know, the vaccine injured, I was the last person in the world they ever wanted to be associated with. I mean, do I sound really bad? No. Okay, so I mean. Some very smart and reasonable. So join our movement.

I mean, I would like, I don't like using the word bipartisan, I like nonpartisan. Yeah. There's nothing partisan about this. So let's not let it devolve into partisanship. You know, let's focus on the truth. Let's focus on, okay, what, again, how do we actually, you know, what's a step-by-step process? What do we do first? know, what's the step-by-step process?

What do we do first? Got to fix science. And that's a big, that'll take some time. So don't be jumping to your solution right away. Here's my bill, you got to get this passed. We're not ready for that bill yet. You know, we've got to get this right first, okay? Now, again, some things may be obvious.

There, you know, there may be a consensus, you know. No, honestly, I say, okay, you know, thinking may change, you know, new information. We have to be open to new information. But right now, the basic state, this is kind of what we think. So for the listeners, how can they personally get involved? Because I have so many people in my DMs just like chomping at the bit, like, just let me in, coach, because they all want. First of all, buy healthy food. Demand it. Talk to your grocers.

Literally talk to them. Can I talk to the manager here? I appreciate we've got six feet of organic. Can we get more? If you do, I'll pay the premium. I was talking to, I'll pay the premium. Yeah. You know, I was talking to, you know, for example, organic milk.

Sky-high pricing. I said, there's really no reason for that, right? Not really. It's just that right now, the demand far exceeds the supply. So the more the demand will be there, they'll get more supply, and those prices, I mean,

the marketplace actually works. So use the marketplace. Look at, you know, one thing I noticed is I'm starting, you know, putting my host's donuts, not totally, they are really good, okay? So we go to the organic section, we're trying to find the right oils,

you know, none of the seed oils, you know. So you get, that's different. we got some avocado oil yeah potato chips right uh-huh but like all these other oh yeah so everything's labeled as organic but most of it's with seed oil i know i mean so i did get like boulder chips or whatever is the one that you know with avocado tastes fine they're a little bit greasier when you get tail into the bag, but they taste just fine. But I thought that was very interesting.

So, okay, organic, but it has the wrong kind of oil. So how do we, you know, how do you get? So, again, what it will require is more people like me reading the label or my wife. And then, well, I'm going to pick this one. And all of a sudden, they're always out of the boulder. Well, why is that? Well, tell the supermarket manager. I'm looking for, I want organic.

At some point in time, I want certified organic. I'm not going by that label. I want a good label that's organic. This is really, and then, but I also want the right oils in these things too. So start demanding it. Because until consumer – and that's going to be the best way to solve this problem is through – Consumer demand and trends. And that can change very rapidly.

Yeah. That's true. That's very true. And Jason Karp mentioned that in our Senate hearing was that if a company feels like a 5% hit on their overall, what's the word, like income coming in, then they will be forced to change or they'll feel the pressure of it and feel like they need to change. So that's on us to stop buying those products, stop buying those foods. I just get concerned and we don't have time to go down this road, but I get concerned about the lower income families and the food deserts and the low accessibility. But you know, we have to- That's why I say these are legitimate concerns that these 250 some people are writing about. You know, we do need to make food abundant and affordable. Exactly. But it needs to be healthy.

There's really no reason in general that you can make things healthier without crossing an arm and a leg. I mean, right now it's just because the demand exceeds the supply and that will eventually work its way out. And it's the subsidies too, right, that are taking a cut from the overhead? Again, the purpose of the subsidies is just recognize that farming is hard and we need to support farmers in a very imperfect market. Again, that's my belief of what these subsidies ought to be. I'm not saying they operate that way. I don't think that, again, farming is not a highly profitable business. Now, if you're big, those big guys are probably making a fair amount of money.

It's the only way they can afford that, all their equipment and stuff. Again, you don't want to bankrupt them. No, we definitely do not want to. We've got these dairy farms, literally 15,000 cattle. It's like a manufacturing operation. It's unbelievably clean. The animal husbandry is really quite good there. It's not quite like chicken stuff.

With dairy cows, they are taking the manure.ry is really quite good there. It's not quite like chicken stuff. But, I mean, with dairy cows, I mean, it's – and they are taking the manure. They're turning it into methane. I mean, they're – it's a pretty good operation, okay? Plus, it supports the smaller guys too. It provides a distribution center. So, again, I don't know how it all sorts out, but we have Organic Valley in Wisconsin. And there's got to be opportunities here. Yeah.

Okay? And we need to protect the farmers, too, and their livelihood. And again, coming from a farming background, again, read land-rich cash reports. It's really written from the heart. It'll give you a sense of how difficult it is. And I would hate to see the tradition of the family farm go away. Me, too. I feel like I'm fighting so hard for this right now because I believe this is how we get out of a lot of our chronic diseases because we need to be eating more local, in my opinion.

And we need to get the chemicals out of everything. We need to move back to nature and farming regeneratively. And it can actually be done large scale. I've spoken to a lot of experts about this. But there's so much resistance with that because of the agrochemical companies and money. There's an easier way of doing it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Which is, again, that's economic efficiency, you know, equates with easy. And something's a little more hard. But, again, they will do what's hard if the public demands it. If there's demand for the product,

they'll do the right thing. Yeah. Okay, I have one more question for you. And this one's a little bit out of left field, but I had forgotten to ask you about this earlier. And I was getting, I noticed it was one of the most commented thing I got on my, the speech that I did at the Senate hearing. I was just getting comment after comment after comment. Essentially the same thing of, okay, well, this senator and none of his colleagues are going to do anything about this because they have stock in the agrochemical companies and they have stock in big pharma. And can you speak to that for a second? So what I did when I ran for U.S. Senate again, 30 years of manufacturing accountant, I sold all my marketable securities and turned it into cash. So I've just been sitting on a pile of cash, losing my you-know-what, because I don't.

I mean, my wife eventually took, and she bought an index fund. I have no idea what's in it. So, no, I think that is grossly overblown. Now, I think there have been some members who came in here pretty poor and left wealthier than others. I can think of a few, yeah. But we won't aim to be nonpartisan. That's not why people come here. Listen, I'm not a real fan of this place, okay?

But I think most people come here, do it because they're concerned about this country. They're concerned about their constituents, so they want to do right by their constituents. Part of the problem is they're defending their constituents, which is something good for that state, not particularly good for that state. And I want to get as much subsidy for my farmers, and I don't care about those cow herders over there. That's the basis of politics. I think what should be the genius of our founding fathers is a limited federal government. That's, I think, the really root cause of our problem. As government grows, our freedoms recede. Government's not good at what it does. It just isn't. It's really good

at mortgaging our kids' future, and that puts our nation at risk. So you got to take a look at the big picture here. The solution lies with individuals, individual liberty and freedom. And that is the secret sauce, right? The essential ingredient, freedom. That's what allows us to dream and aspire and build and create. Jealously guard your freedom. Growing government, your freedom recedes. So understand that basic dynamic.

Demand your freedom back. Demand government devolve back to the states as much as possible. Quit mortgaging our kids' future. And restore science. You know, let's keep your eyes open. Try and open as many people's eyes as possible and make sure they stay open. Yes. We don't have time for this, but I wish that we could have talked about lobbying for a second

because that is a big concern of people as well. So just real quick, they're educated. There's nothing wrong with it. It's a First Amendment right to petition your government. Lobbyists educate. The individual donations members get, that doesn't affect their vote. Now, the millions they give to the campaign committees, that can certainly impact what leadership does. But for individual members, I think it's way overblown in terms of influence of these

contributions I really do okay doesn't impact me at all I'm really happy to hear that because it's that is a big concern in my world and no no what drives people's motivation here is am I doing right by my constituents I mean will it help me get reelected I mean that's that's not a bad indicator some don't know yeah if you're actually healthy if I'm if I'm doing things contrary to my constituents I won't get reelected? I mean, that's not a bad indicator. No. Yeah. If you're actually helping people. If I'm doing things contrary to my constituents, I won't get reelected. Exactly. So I'm going to do things that my constituents are demanding.

Now, again, they're divided. One of them, you know, so it's a messy, it's political. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. But just maintain your own individual liberty. And listen, let's do this again sometime. I would love that. I really enjoyed this conversation. I also just wanted to take a moment and say thank you so much for

allowing me to speak on that Senate roundtable. Thanks for doing it. Yeah, that was a really big deal to me. And it felt really special and important to be there. And I'm just so grateful, one, that you put it on and two, that I was that I was able to be a part of it. That's a really cool room, isn't it? That was very cool. My, my fiance came with me and later he was like, I was freaking out for you. And I walked in because we just walked into this beautiful, gorgeous room with these really high ceilings. And he was like, I was nervous for you. A lot of historic things have happened in that room. So it was very cool. So no, thank you for doing it. You did a great job. They all did. Yeah, that was really great. Like Tucker Carlson told Casey and Callie means you're

going to change the world. Yeah, I believe that's true. I do too. Oh, it was really great. Like Tucker Carlson told Casey and Callie Means, you're going to change the world. Yeah. I believe that's true. I do too. Oh, thank you very much. Thanks for your time. I really enjoyed this episode. Thank you.

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