Realfoodology - Politicization of Health + Is Ozempic for Weight Loss? | Jillian Michaels

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

EP. 223 Renowned fitness expert Jillian Michaels joins me, Courtney Swan, for a candid exploration of the often turbulent relationship between politics and health. Jillian opens up about her lifelong journey as a Democrat in California, sharing her personal experiences and insights into the unsettling political shifts she has observed. As we exchange stories, I recount my own evolution from a Republican upbringing in Texas to embracing progressive causes, only to feel a sense of disillusionment with recent political developments. Together, we navigate our political dissonance, emphasizing respect, empathy, and the quest for clarity amidst a polarized world. The episode also delves into the pressing concerns about corporate influence and media manipulation. We confront contentious topics such as the use of drugs like Ozempic for weight loss, the obesity narrative, and the urgent need for regenerative farming. Through personal reflection and insightful discussion, we underscore the importance of remaining informed and open-minded, encouraging listeners to engage critically with the narratives that shape our lives. Check Out Jillian Michaels: Instagram Sponsored By: Organifi Go to www.organifi.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY for 20% Off ARMRA Collostrum  Get 15% off your first order at tryarmra.com/realfoodology BIOptimizers MagBreakthrough Get 10% off at bioptimizers.com/realfoodology with code REALFOODOLOGY Cured Nutrition Go to www.curednutrition.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY for 20% off Paleovalley Save at 15% at paleovalley.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY LMNT Get your free Sample Pack with any LMNT drink mix purchase at drinklmnt.com/realfoodology Check Out Courtney: LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! @realfoodology @realfoodologypodcast www.realfoodology.com My Immune Supplement by 2x4 Air Dr Air Purifier AquaTru Water Filter EWG Tap Water Database  Produced By: Drake Peterson

On today's episode of The Real Foodology Podcast, I think you feel this way too, is where I never really was political. I never really cared. I never really paid attention. They made it political. Exactly. And then they made health. They put it in our backyard.

Hi, friends. Welcome back to another episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. As always, I'm your host, Courtney Swan. And today's episode, I sat down with Jillian Michaels. This was a very different podcast episode than I've ever done because it is actually not fully based in health. So we weave what's happening right now in politics with the health world into just a general conversation about our thoughts around the election and what made us feel as though our party really left us. I've talked about this a lot

on my Instagram. I've never actually really fully addressed this on the podcast. I feel like there's no one better than Jillian Michaels to have this conversation with. She's so eloquently spoken. She's very outspoken as well about her beliefs and what she feels like has been happening politically in the last couple of years. She's a gay woman. She has been Democrat her whole life. She grew up in California and she started noticing and realizing that there were things that were happening in California that she felt like were crossing the line and going too far. And I myself, you guys know, I lived in L.A. for the last eight years. And I would say the last like four years I was in LA for the last eight years. And I would

say the last like four years, I was starting to feel the same way where there's just wacky stuff starting to happen. Policies being passed, like the $900 merchandise law. By the way, if y'all don't live in California, may not even know that this is happening. But let me explain to you a couple things because some of them we talked about and some of them we didn't. Things that started to wake me up personally was there was a law that was passed in California where people could walk into a store, steal up to $900 worth of merchandise and not be convicted. In fact, the security guards were told that they are not legally allowed to intervene at all. So you don't have to look that far to find the videos. You can go online and find videos of people just waltzing out of a Walgreens with $900 worth of merchandise in a shopping cart and

the security guards just standing by and letting it happen. In fact, in San Francisco, where this policy was, I believe, first instated, a bunch of different companies have had to pull out. Walgreens, I believe CVS as well, where they've been pulling out of areas in San Francisco because it got so bad that they could no longer stay open. It's also why if you live in California, a lot of the products are now behind sealed glass containers and you have to ask an employee for a key. So when I went to Target, one of the last times I went to Target before I left LA and I moved to Denver, I was trying to get deodorant and I had to wait for a sales associate to unlock the glass door for me to actually get my deodorant.

So that's one. There's also, I actually have a friend and I wanted to tell this story in the podcast and I wasn't able to. I have a friend who was robbed while he was out of town. They stole his car. And when he called the police to get a report done, the police said, you know what, honestly, we can't really do anything about this because even if we find this person and we bring them in, they're going to release them the next day because they're being soft on crime. So there's all these stories of

people continuing to do crimes and then getting released the next day. So crime has become rampant in LA. So there's just a lot of really crazy things that have been happening. And I feel as though hopefully some of the tides are going to be turning on this, especially because of what just happened in the election. Whether or not you like the results, I'm praying for a better America and a better future for all of us. So we'll just have to see what happens. And we can obviously agree to disagree. And Jillian and I go into full extent about all of this and our feelings about all of this on the podcast. Jillian is such an amazing human. She's so sweet. I feel so lucky to have met her and got to speak to the U.S. Senate with her. And also, if you hear my coughing in the background, I'm very sorry.

You guys can literally, this is not an ad, but I have my cough drops right here, my safety cough drops, because I can't stop coughing, because I'm on day 12 of having some nasty viral infection. Got full consent with Jillian before, and she was okay with filming. So don't come at me being like, you're going to get her sick. She knows what she was walking into, and she agreed to do the podcast. So anyways, I hope you all love the episode. Please write me and let me know. I know this is a very different podcast than I've done before. It's a little vulnerable in the sense that I'm sharing some opinions that I have that

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Republican in Texas, but I wasn't even paying attention. So I go to a super liberal arts school in Colorado, and then I become really liberal because everything that I really cared about were things that liberals and Democrats really cared about, right? Like gay rights. I had one of my best friends growing up was gay. And so I felt so... No war, these things. Yes, exactly. I remember those days.

Right. Isn't this crazy? The crazy times we're in right now. So I believed in all of that. And then all of a sudden, this weird fucking shift started happening about 2020. I was living in LA. Were you in LA during 2020? Or had you left? I left in March of 2021. Wow.

Okay. So very unfortunately, I was. Yeah. So I started seeing the tides shifting. And I was going, wait, wait, wait, wait. Like I care about all these things, but I feel like everything is going so far left that common sense is going out the window and everything started turning. Right. Where it was like before it was like everything was about like my body, my choice. And then they mandated a vaccine,

experimental vaccine on everybody. But then it said like, oh, my body, my choice. But no, no, no, not in that case. And I was like, okay, you're starting to lose me here. The hypocrisy. Yes. Yeah, I know. Yeah. And so like you, I left California. So I actually, in 2021, I left for a couple months and I went on a little like tour, if you will. And I was in Colorado for a little bit and Telluride and Boulder. And then I moved to Austin for a while. And then finally I was like, man, I really miss my friends. So I went back and I've been here until this year.

And then I met my fiance. Oh, okay. Yeah. And we were trying, it was very meant to be. We were actually trying to get him to move back here. And it just, it became more and more difficult. And I was holding onto LA so badly. And then I hit a point where I was like, you know what? Actually, I'm fed up with this. I'm fed up with the crime going up. And then everybody gaslighting me telling me that crime's actually not up. Like if you turn on CNN, they're like, crime's actually down. I'm like, oh, but what about that law in California where you can walk into a Walgreens and steal $900 worth of merchandise and not be prosecuted for it? Yeah. You know, they just voted that down. I know. Well, it's been amazing what just happened because I feel like the people are fed up. They are. And rose up and we said, we're done.

You know what's wild is that everybody I've been speaking to casually, like friends, you and I have a relationship outside of here as well. So I now consider you like part of my coterie, if you will. And every one of those people is a former Democrat. So what I find interesting is people are trying to find evidence of 2020 being fixed because it's like, where did all these votes go? Oh, yeah, just it was a flip flop. Yeah, They weren't lost. It was disaffected Democrats having had enough. And when you look at California, it went 12 points more towards the right. Same with New York. It still went blue. By significantly less votes, less percentage, more red than previous years for like a couple of decades, I think.

I mean, it's pretty phenomenal what happened because, and like you said, I mean, you even look at the people that have now sided with Trump. All of them are former Democrats. Elon Musk, RFK Jr., Tulsi Gabbard, my freaking girl. I love her so much. All these people were Democrats. Actually, I was just having a conversation with the guy that runs the podcast studio here right before you came. And we were talking about how like there's so many of these people that, so everybody's moved over and it's made the Republican Party almost be like

moderate now. I feel like it's moderate because now they're anti-war. From what I understand, from what I've heard on podcasts with RFK and with Trump is that they're pro-choice. They want to end wars. They care about like not mandating vaccines. The pro-choice thing, I don't want to gaslight women listening that are concerned. And I know you and I have different positions on this. Yeah, let's talk about it. Trump did campaign in his first term on pro-life, on getting rid of Roe v. Wade, and he actually did it.

He put three people in place that succeeded in overturning Roe v. Wade. Now, I am for, personally, a federal protection up until a point. Like to me, I feel like 12 weeks is where most of Europe is at outside of, I believe, the United Kingdom and maybe like one other country. But there are 12 weeks and like, okay, you've got birth control, you've got the morning after pill, and you've got three months to figure it out. There's a lot of like fail safes there. There's a lot of places you can kind of catch this before you end up in a bad position. And when you do that, you don't have primary care people leaving the state, midwives leaving the state. You don't have women bleeding out from an ectopic pregnancy

in a car in Texas. I'm sorry, but both sides would like to tell you it's 1%. It's 1%. It's 1%. For me, it's 1% too many. It's one woman in a car bleeding out because they didn't give her the proper care in Texas. Too many when it could be avoided. And while I am not for late-term abortion, and to me, rape and incest, you know if you've been raped. You know if something has happened to you. So again, morning after pill, three months. But why we would need to go beyond that outside of a health issue, I don't really understand. It's not for me to litigate. These are just my personal views. But what he did there is alarming. And he did other things. Courtney, listen,

I voted for him, but I refuse to gaslight people and tell them that some of the things, some of the things, he's not Hitler. That's ridiculous. And I don't think he'll institute a national abortion ban. But there are some things that happened that were alarming to me. And I like overturning Roe v. Wade, like having those very conservative justices that I wonder if something goes to the court for getting rid of gay marriage and you kick it back to the states. There's no such thing as kicking that back to the states. It has to be federal. It's associated with 1,100 different rights. They're significant. I mean, it goes from me dying and being able to leave my money to my wife without her having to pay taxes all over again to sharing benefits for veterans.

And I mean, it's massive, 1,100 rights, child care. It's just, I could walk away from my children if I was a scumbag and tell my ex like, sorry. Like it protects kids and gay families. It's important. So knowing those three people are in there, you know, you do think about it. Now, I don't think it will happen, but the potential exists and blocking gay people from adopting again, like these are rights we've only recently

gotten in like the last decade or so, give or take. And, you know, I'll be honest, I didn't like January 6th. I did not think that. I don't think that was the way to go about that. I don't think anyone liked it. Just a lot of people are like, you know, be peacefully protest, but... Well, do you know? So I can't speak too much about January 6th, but I just want to say this.

I can't really either, but I'm not for it. Let's put it that way. Definitely not for it. I was alarmed by it. I don't feel like making an enemy out of the current president, but there's definitely more to it. Yeah, for sure. My only point is not to gaslight people that are concerned. I want to say, I understand your concern. I'm asking you to take him at his word right now because the one thing we can definitely say with certainty

is that Donald Trump tells you who he is. That's why people hate him. He'll tell you what he thinks. And no one's used to that. So I'm taking him at his word. And if you and I turn around and he sidelines Kennedy and he does an abortion ban or he takes away a gay marriage, I will humbly beg for forgiveness for getting it wrong. I will eat a shit sandwich for as many days as I would need to, and I would fight the good fight on the other end to bring things back to where I had hoped they were going with this administration. I just simply don't want to look at people who are alarmed and say like, ah, you're crazy. Now, I do think all the things you're saying, like the MSNBC, the New York Times, it's fear porn.

Yeah. Totally agree with you. Totally agree with you. Well, to be honest, a lot of it were lies. That's been really my experience in the last four years of unraveling all this is that. So 2020 really woke me up with the whole vaccine thing. I feel like we have been lied to for so long that this year in this election, this is what happens when enough people wake up and they're like, enough, we've had enough. You didn't give us a great candidate. Am I super stoked about Trump? No. Honestly, I voted for RFK. And I don't know how you feel about that. But honestly, like,

I love him. I'm with you. I'm with him entirely. You know, what's interesting about that is, both, by the way, deeply flawed. I mean, not that I'm not. However, I'm not running for president. So I don't have a magnifying glass on my character flaws. That's, you know, it's like people are, did he really leave the bear in the park? I'm like, I think so. Yeah. I know. There's some weird shit there.

Like, is that a bad guy? You know, but yeah. Is it really a worm in his brain? I'm like, I think so. It's in the divorce. You know, it does check out. Yeah. However, here's, I've done some deep soul searching on this. And I wonder, I wonder what you'll,

you think of this. Because I am afraid to have gotten this wrong. It will feel like a massive betrayal to many different people who've asked me why I made this shift and why I advocated for Trump in the end and Kennedy and all of this. When I look at the landscape, to do the things these two guys are saying they're going to do, there is no question that a normal person cannot do it. And if we were to just take Trump, for example, one lawsuit is hell. I've lived through many. It takes years off of your life. The amount of time, the character assassination, the amount of money that you lose, and it's all a stick up. It's all a money grab.

It's all an exploitation of the way the system works. But it's a hell ride. And that's why people settle. That's the game, right? The game is, I'm going to ruin your life. So you can settle the, yeah, you're going to spend a million dollars on a lawyer. Or you can give me $250,000. And we fight every single one because otherwise the line at the Sue Jillian window goes from four people to 400 people once you start settling. Nevertheless, each one is a nightmare and each one comes with some thread of blackmail.

You know, we'll tell people she did this. We'll tell people she did that. And you're like, go ahead, tell people. But it's always a game. So it's like, nevertheless, this man was indicted 34 times. I would die from the stress. I know. I would be riddled with tumors. I'm not kidding. My hair would fall out in chunks. Then they shot him in the head. And still.

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And again, I'm not sitting here like saying I love Trump or anything like that. And by the way, I said I voted for RFK, but what I meant is that I voted for Trump to get RFK in. Yeah, just to be very clear. By the way, I haven't had this conversation publicly. I've been starting to share some of this on my Instagram because I just kind of had enough. And when you start diving more into this kind of stuff, like, again, I am not a proponent for January 6th. Same. I do not think that it was a good thing. If you go and you watch the videos, though, why do all the security guards open the doors for them and just let them walk in?

Like, I just have questions about it. It's calling Georgia and saying, find me 15,000 votes. Yeah. It's okay. Just saying. Again, I'm not trying. I'm actually trying to avoid alienating anybody. For sure. Including the president. However, the reason that I feel adamant about validating warts on both sides is because there's a great book, and you're young for it, but maybe you've heard of it. It's called How to Win Friends

and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. I haven't read it, but I know it. Read it. It is like an all-time bestseller for a reason. It is 101 of diplomacy and win friends and influence people. So one of the most important takeaways is to let the other person know that you hear them, you see them, you validate their feelings. It doesn't mean that you say you believe in, you believe what they're telling you is true, but I hear that you're concerned about this, Courtney. Eye contact, name. You're worried about a national abortion ban.

You say it again. Oh, she hears me. She said what I'm concerned about. She's seeing that I'm upset. She's using my name. She's looking me in the eye. Then you've earned a little bit of trust to try to explain why you think it's not probable, right? Because they're like, okay,

so we're not just going to fight because immediately they're going to put down some of those defenses. And you can then say, okay, we've had an opportunity here. You know, what would Kamala have done if she got in? She couldn't have reversed anything. Where do we think we're going? These are the reasons I don't think this is going to happen. That said, I can appreciate your concern. I can see some of the reasons you're concerned. Some I agree with, some I don't. And you can try to find some sort of middle ground. But if you immediately turn around and you're like, you dumb fuck, all of these were lies.

And Project 2025, he said he had nothing to do with it. And he said he's not going to do this. And he said he's not going to do that. You stupid, like, oh my God, you crazy bitch stockpiling. It's first of all, it gets you nowhere. Yeah. It's going to get you nowhere good. And the reality is that if we look at the situation through their eyes, right? So stand in their shoes, right? What is it? Walk a mile in that

person's shoes. You're going to see a lot that would scare and convince you, even if it's not true. When the New York Times is lying to you, that's hard to wrap your head around. I have tried to pull that plug out of the back of these people's heads so many times and they will bite your head off. Sometimes people don't want the red pill and I don't mean, you know, it's like the matrix. Oh, it's so hard because I feel like I've been fighting this battle for so long because I don't know if you feel this way, but I, so I've been in the health and wellness world for 18 years now, working as a career for 13. So you definitely have a big head on me. Not a ton, though.

But I feel like people have been fighting me tooth and nail for all the things that I've been saying, which now finally it's starting to really come out about health. And we'll talk more about that. But I feel like now, again, it's happening with politics. And, like, what's so crazy is I think you feel this way, too, is where I never really was political. I never really cared. I never really paid attention. They made it political.

Exactly. And then they made health in our backyard. Literally, they put in our backyard. They made us wake up and care about it. So now I'm incredibly, incredibly political. They also made health super freaking political, whereas like they were saying that if you care about health and are working out, you're suddenly a far right extremist. Right. Nazi. Yeah. It's rooted in the Nazi movement. It's NBC. I reposted it in case

anybody doesn't believe it. Oh, yeah. I mean, I was it's so crazy. And what I'm really struggling with is because I'm having a lot of people come in my DMs right now trying to have like this gotcha moment with me. And I'm just trying. Gotcha. Like, so when he's started announcing all these different people that he's like bringing on, he's like, oh, well, how do you feel? You know, somebody wrote me yesterday. Well, how do you feel about Matt Gaetz and his sex trafficking thing? And I'm like, one, that was debunked. And two, I don't know enough about all this. Like, I'm pretty new. And I've been very public about why I voted for him, which was for RFK. Do I think he's perfect? Do I think he's going to make every perfect pick? No. Well, we could play this game, though. If we're going to play this game, let's go tit for tat.

OK. You know, and that's what I would point out is look at all the people in Biden's administration. Oh, girl. I mean, if we're because because the reality is it's politics. Also, nobody ever paid attention to who everybody Biden was appointing until now, all of a sudden, everybody's looking at it with a fine tuned comb to come. And it's like, were y'all paying attention for Biden? Do you know that he literally hired somebody from Monsanto to be in his or no, it was Obama had somebody in his administration that was from Monsanto. By design. Because we all know the way it works, right? So the reason this stuff has become political

is because it's an easy way to sideline the movement, or it was, by calling it MAGA. But the problem is, the more factions and little subcultures that you paint with that brush, the bigger you widen the movement. So if all health is MAGA, okay. And moms who are concerned about vaccines for their kids, well, they're MAGA. Right. It's like, well, fitness is MAGA.

And then these guys are MAGA. Then the people who don't want wars. Now you've effectively captured the majority of the country. Congratulations. Well, and you know, what's really interesting is that now we also have these like registered dietitians or like nutrition experts that are coming out against the MAHA movement simply because they're liberal and they don't want to be associated with it. But I'm like, I think that's it. Do you? What do do you think it is do you think it's a corporate capture yeah oh my courtney surely you saw that there was a huge and the washington post nevertheless there was a huge expose about the registered dietitians they're all getting paid oh yeah derail the shame like to endorse artificial sweeteners, to endorse junk food. It is the exact same thing that big pharma does with doctors and not all doctors and not all registered dietitians.

Exactly. But this is a game. Callie says that best. In other words, these big corporations have a revolving door. So big food, big pharma, FDA, right? State department, military industrial complex. It's just like this. And if you think about who are the biggest lobbies, I think it's big pharma right next to big insurance. I think it's Big Pharma, right next to Big Insurance. I think they kind of trade. And then Big Food. But when you think about that, nobody is getting to the presidency without their money. And I've looked at it from a different perspective with regard to insurance, because I did a whole show, don't even ask me how I ended up here, but a whole show about people who've lost their homes in natural disasters, haven't aired it yet, and the insurance companies are refusing to pay the claims.

Of course. So then we're talking about Florida because I have no problem going after Gavin Newsom. I think he's a scumbag. But, you know, Ron DeSantis has done a pretty good job with Florida. So I was like, how is this happening in Florida? So, of course, the conversation becomes how much money do they give the politicians? And even if, let's say they don't give Juan DeSantis a ton of money, the guy that wants to replace him, he's taking a ton of money. Of course. And it becomes, okay, that's fine. If you don't want to

do what we want, that's okay. But we're going to make sure that our other guy gets the other guy. He's getting in and he's going to do our bidding and he's going to, that's okay, but we're going to make sure that the other guy, he's getting in. And he's going to do our bidding and he's going to- It's a game. Get policies passed. It's a game. And so usually it's he who has the most money wins. And you see that the Democrats were like, well, this is the age old playbook and we have twice as much money, so we're winning. Cannot believe, they were just so corrupt and so filthy and so insane that people like you and I were like, all right, enough's enough here.

Yeah. And the people on the other side, they don't see the things you're talking about. They don't. And this is where I really struggle with this because I obviously have compassion and empathy because I know a lot of them are really scared. Everything that we've just talked about, right? But anytime I try to show them receipts, because look, I've spent the last four years really educating myself on this. Right. Right. There are receipts. But every time I try to show receipts to these people, even if I'm very kind, they tear my head off.

I mean, I get like, that's it. I'm done. Like, I'm done here. And I'm like, wait, but will you please just, will you look at this one thing or will you watch this one video? And this is where I'm really struggling because there is this, not everyone, I think a lot of people are waking up, but there is this certain subset on the left that's kind of putting their head in the sand.

They're going, la, la, la, la, la, la. And they don't even want to admit that there is corporate capture happening. There is money involved. And that's where we're in so much trouble. And this is why like people, everybody that voted on the left is scratching their head now going, how did so many people vote for Trump? It's because we were voting against Kamala and the deep industrial complex, military industrial complex, big pharma, big food, all of this collusion in our politics. Did the attempt to take away the First Amendment? Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. The New York Times literally had a headline that says,

do we actually need the Constitution? It might be getting in the way of politics. I was like, I'm sorry. And then they have the audacity to say that Trump is going to go after the Constitution. I'm like, I just I started realizing that everything that the Democrats and the left are saying the right is doing is what they're actually doing. Yeah, it's the ultimate gaslight. But but hold on. Ready? So here's what happened. Let's let's go back. So if you go back to 2016, you never heard anything about pursuing or prosecuting your political opponents legally, weaponizing the DOJ. That was never a thing. Now, Trump would lock her up, lock her up. Benghazi, not great. I get it. I hear, okay. But but still he didn't do it but he's inflammatory

yeah so the problem is he opened pandora's box and the democrats were like great fucking plan buddy 34 indictments later and then he said any second amendment people out there that want to take care of hillary for me no he said that he's a little nutso kibbutzo courtney this is what i'm saying you i have a little nutty kibbutzo he's a little i have a theory he he's like he's kidding obviously but he says some you know now didn't do any of it but he's like any second amendment guys out there i want to you know kind kind of like, oh, you know. Okay. But then they're like, actually, yeah.

And then they turn it on him. You know, it's like, oh, God. All right. If you look at it, he flirted with these crazy, dangerous ideas. And I think for Trump, he's a genius at getting free media. For example, they were coming out saying he's against IVF. So he turned around and he was like, these bastards. I mean, think about it. I'm guessing. And he's like, what can I say that's so ridiculous that it'll get enough coverage to get out that I'm not? He's it. I'm guessing. And he's like, what can I say that's just so ridiculous that it'll get enough coverage to get out that I'm not? He's like, I'm the father of IVF.

Oh my God, I saw that. Okay. Now my mom calls me and she's like, this is unhinged. And I said, but mom, you know what I think's happening here is he's trying to let you know because you wouldn't hear it any other way because they're not going to err on the view that he's not against IVF and that he wants to get it covered for people gay or not gay, by the way, gay families, not gay families,

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So like if you actually so what I've started doing and I challenge anybody to listen. I agree with you. Anybody that's listening to go and actually watch the whole thing. You can't just take the headline. You can't hear one little thing they say on The View because they're. Oh, it's complete. The good, very fine people on both sides. I can't.

Obama literally said that like two weeks ago. I know he did. Or it's going to be a bloodbath if he doesn't get elected. He was talking about the automotive industry. That he's going to be a dictator on day one. He's like, only day one because I'm going to close the border, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, with executive orders. Or you're never going to have to vote again. Do you know what that was? He literally said he was talking to the Christians specifically because apparently the Christian population doesn't vote normally, which this is new to me.

I didn't know that. I knew the Amish population has just been mobilized politically. Oh, yeah. They were really mad about the raw milk, which I want to talk about that for a second. But with the – wait, what was I just saying about – Hold on. That was my fault.

That was totally my fault. Never have to vote again. So he said that, but if you actually listen to the whole thing he was saying i'm talking to the people that don't normally don't vote period he was like a lot of the christian population they're notorious for not coming out and voting period they don't go vote and he so he said i'm asking you just come vote this one time and then you can go back to being a non-voter that's literally what he meant he wasn't saying like you're never never going to have another election. Like, y'all, this is like, this is why we're in this right now, because people are listening to little bites and clips and headlines and not actually

listening to the whole conversation. Now, hold on. Let me play devil's advocate for you. If you want to have that conversation with the person that's heard all of those things manipulated and regurgitated in a terrifying way, you first have to give them the, I hear what you're concerned about. Yeah. Tell me all the things. Let's go one by one. Okay. That one, that's alarming. I get it. However, you know, I think it's also happening on the other side to a greater degree. And we'll get back to that. This one's not real. This one's not real. This one's not real. But to get to it's not real, it's not real, it's not real, you've got to earn the ability to have that conversation with them. And that's the validate

the feelings, reiterate the concern, look them in the eye, say the name. And while it may be like, well, that's highly manipulative. That's diplomacy. Yeah, I don't think it's manipulative. That is diplomacy. And I think it's also your own kindness. What were you going to say? Courtney, you're right. Everything you're saying, I'd say 99.9% of it, I totally agree with you. And I've also experienced the moment where they won't have. I've had that conversation of the, I'm not having this conversation a hundred times in the past two weeks. But here's my thought is that this, as Gad Saad says, this woke mind virus, it creeps and it will infect your life. And when it does, there's no question it will find you where you live and on the issues you care about.

And that's the wake up moment. Yeah. Just sit back. Because it's going to happen to all of us. It's going to happen. I was talking to, did you ever follow Anna Kasparian? The name sounds familiar, but no. I think you might like her. She's on a show called The Young Turks. And it was very, very, very liberal. And to be honest, I really like that show,

even though I don't always agree. And Cenk Uygur, who's kind of the main host, is extremely liberal still to this moment. But he's still a good guy. And even when I don't agree, I want to hear his opinion. And I end up learning or seeing things I wouldn't normally see if I'm watching only moderate or conservative stuff like News Nation or Fox. So Anna comes on my show and I was like, I got to be honest. Like, you are one of the only voices on the left I can really listen to in a concentrated way on a regular basis. And Anna moved to the center because she

got attacked here in Los Angeles. Physically attacked? Physically attacked by homeless people. And as you know, we're letting criminals out of jail. We've like eliminated numerous prisons. All this stuff's gone on here in California. And she got attacked by the far left for going after homeless people. Oh, I can't. And she didn't go after anyone. She just told her story about being attacked. And there you go. It comes for you. I was at Dave Rubin's house recently, and he had this group of people who were all popular podcasters. Winston Marshall, Brett Weinstein, and Heather Hanks. Like that whole group, right?

Yeah. Schellenberger. And everybody just took turns talking about when they were canceled. And it was my turn. And I was like, when I didn't celebrate Lizzo having diabetes. When I did not think Lizzo should have diabetes.

And it was the most, it's like when I liked so-and-so's post, when I read this book, when I, it was the most ridiculous shit. But that's my point. When I talked about being attacked on the streets of Los Angeles and thinking that we needed to stop closing prisons. It comes for you and it will come for them. It feels like a cult.

It honestly does because look, I was a part of that group. And then the second that there was one thing that I started asking questions about or saying, this doesn't seem right, I'm suddenly kicked out of the cult. You're purged. And now, yeah, I'm purged. Even though, like, I'm an old school Democrat, I still believe in probably 90% of what y'all believe in. There's just some far left

things that I can't get on board with. But yeah, that's exactly it. It finally comes for you. And actually, I was going to ask you about your experience with that Lizzo getting canceled, because you know what? I remember, if I remember correctly, that was one of the first like public cancelings that I really remember being like, oh shit, we're like going for people right now. Yeah. Especially because in my world, like I was feeling very similarly as you. Healthy at any size. You're like, that's not really a lie. Oh, I cannot. But I was too scared to speak out about that at that point. But I'm sitting here as a health professional knowing that every single chronic disease goes up as your weight goes up,

diabetes, cancer, like all of it. 170 different comorbidities. And we're sitting here and we're putting morbidly obese women on the front of Cosmopolitan and telling people this is healthy. The healthy part. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Go to town. Whatever you think is beautiful, have at it.

Healthy, that's not true. And the earth is not flat. That's like, it's that absurd. It's absurd. But it was, but think about this for a second. This is the point that it was a narrative created by big food. 100%. And this is their, this is their narrative to tell people that you can be healthy in

any body and keep buying our processed foods and just you know get bigger don't worry about it the shame yeah there's no shame in eating all this processed food all day isn't it it is and then big pharma comes along with their drug yep now we have the solution now the narrative is you know jill, I hope you understand it's very unhealthy to be overweight. I'm like, you motherfucker. I've been catching bullets for this message for 30 years. You want to come at me with that conversation right now? It's unbelievable how many MDs and PhDs have the exact same talking points for these drugs. And that's one of them. And I'm like, I'm sorry, you're new to the game here?

When did you get your medical degree? Five seconds ago? Who's paying you and how much? I'm not being paid. And it's like, you know, Big pharma has spent over a billion dollars influencing medical researchers. It's just like, come on, dude. That just came out recently.

It was a good headline. It's all the same game. These narratives are manufactured and they're bought and paid for in every form of media. Exactly. And that's the problem. The doctors, also the registered dietitians that I was talking about earlier, they're obviously getting paid. But also it goes even deeper than that. So my audience knows this because I've talked about this a lot, but I was on the track to be a registered dietitian back in

2012. I was on the track. I was taking the classes and I pulled myself out of that program because I started having conversations with friends that were registered dietitians. And I was also looking into who was actually funding the American Dietetic Association. Well, at the time it was Coca-Cola. I think it was General Mills. It was the dairy industry. And I pulled myself out of the program because I was sitting there in these classes and my professors are going, oh, organic doesn't really matter. We don't need to worry about processed foods. If your client needs to gain weight, give them an insurer. Oh my God. Oh yeah. I'm sorry. How am I swearing? The insurer. I can't. They gave that to my mother. I was like, mom. I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, but you're spot on. It's like insane. And the professors are gaslighting

us and telling us, oh, the insurer, right? The dietician gave my mom insure her registered dietician and i have to sit there and be like can like listen mom wait but let's and she's like honey she's got a degree in this i can't i can't i'm like but mom mom and then they sit on their pedestals and they act like you're dumb i love those credentials yes and they're like well the science says and i'm like well the science is fucking funded by these companies and so was your education but that's when you get this is what i've learned to do because i've had that conversation so many times you're not an md and in fact i have i think this will be out before our episode airs i'm releasing this debate that I had with the Nadolski brothers,

who are huge Ozempic proponents. So they've been one of my most vocal critics. So I was like, okay, no problem. They're like, she knows nothing. And she's, tell me you know nothing about these drugs without telling, anyway, going after me, going after Peter Atiyah, going after Mark Hyman, going after everybody, Bill Maher, Joe Rupp, everybody. So I was like, all right, let's have the conversation. And they started with the you're not an MD. So I went to all the doctors that I've worked with who, by the way, are terrified that the pharma cartel will come after them. So they weaponized me behind the scenes with all the information and the studies in France and the studies out of Canada and the studies that aren't funded by Novo. And I just fucking smashed these guys' faces in. Really? For an hour and a half.

They're like, there's no safety signal for thyroid cancer. I was like, why? The safety signal for thyroid cancer came out of the European Medicines Agency. This guy, Jean-Luc Follet in France, because I had it all. It was sent all to me. That's incredible. And what they did was they went through the database and there were this many cases of thyroid cancer. So it is rare. It's rare. But I have one of them saying three times in different interviews that we have zero GLP-1 receptors and we have, it's only a rodent thing and it's actually believed to not be. We have much less is what I've been told, much less. And unfortunately, sorry, not unfortunately, we have many less

GLP-1 receptors and the cases of thyroid cancer are rare. However, and then they sent me like all the meta-analysis of all the studies out of Europe for Xenotide, Liraglutide, all the different versions of these drugs that this guy had researched. And there is a significant increased risk for thyroid cancer. Wow. And he's like, I never said that. I never said that there were no cases of cancer. I was like, you did. And it's like, one, two, three. I said, again,

some placebos. I'm like, well, this, but this is compared to placebo. Well, I said, I, they raised the safety signal because of rats. No, they raised the safety signal

because of this guy out of France who went back and looked through the database. Wow. And these are the guys that are going around bashing everybody. But I had to, literally, I went to a pancreatician because they're like, well, you only get, you know, pancreatitis. That's not a thing. Cases are so rare in the NOVO trials. Of course.

And then the one out of British Columbia that said you have a 900% increased chance of getting pancreatitis on these drugs. Wow. And then there's another one out of Europe that was like we did a meta-analysis of 64 different trials that show differing results to the select trial and the flow trial. But like I had to have all these different doctors send this shit to me. And it was like a gastroenterologist, a pancreatic, pancreatician, an endocrinologist. But they're afraid. Bill said to me on real time, he's like, why are you in the chair? Right. And I have these doctors talking about it. There's big pharma will come for them. Terrified. One of them said to me, I wish I'll go nameless, but she's like a really incredible

gastroenterologist. So I did real time and she messages me the next day and she's like, great job on real time. Couldn't have said it better. And I'm like, well, it should have been great if you had. I know. And she's like, well, I call it medical McCarthyism. And they just terrorize them. They kick them out of networks.

They weaponize the DOJ. They also dangle their actual medical licenses. Yeah. They have the Department of Justice go after them for health care fraud. Brigham obviously talks about all that really effectively. Just had him on. He's amazing. That's the problem is that they are all pressurized from every side. And so they're like, they just sit back and I don't have a medical license. I'm not in network to take patients for Blue Cross Blue Shield. I don't like this. Nobody can go after me for insurance fraud, health care.

So they all just give me the information. And then I. Well, that's the thing is like when people fight us I'm like well I don't even have a dog in this fight like I'm not being paid by anybody I'm just sharing what I know and sharing information that has been blocked from people so I actually have a question for you about the ozempic thing because I will tell you so I have a really close friend who's a doctor and she's actually been very vocal huge proponent for ozempic but hear me out titrated yes so in very small doses from compounding pharmacies instead of going to the actual ozempic but hear me out titrated yes so in very small doses from compounding

pharmacies instead of going to the actual ozempic because her argument is that people are getting the same dose no matter your weight size height whatever and you're getting this massive dose and essentially what is happening is people are overdosing on it without even realizing what are your thoughts after digging into all that do you think that that's what's happening okay here's here's the issue that i have with the drug in general. I just had a debate with JJ Virgin, who I really like, but we had a panel about Ozempic and she's talking about cognitive health and titrating the drug. And I was like, you are on Mars. Right now I'm on Venus. Like you're having a conversation about a completely different issue

and a completely different application. And we can have that talk. Yeah. But you're saying or the world is saying this is a miracle drug to solve the obesity crisis. And there when you look at Wegovy, that's the one that's FDA approved for weight loss. Ozempic isn't? Nope. Same drug. Is it for diabetes? Is that what it is?

Okay. Same drug. That's so interesting. So what's the difference? One's a higher dose. The higher dose one is the weight loss one. That's the Wegovy one. It's a higher dose. So they didn't even give you Ozempic for weight loss. You're supposed to be on Wigovi.

And Trozepatide, my God, you want to talk about a sledgehammer. It works on two different hormonal pathways. So, I mean, now they're working like a King Kong agonist that goes after three of them. So here's the thing. Number one, it's expensive. Yeah. Okay. So is this sustainable? I don't think so based on cost alone, but let's say it is. Great. Okay. Now let's look at the side effects. You okay there, kid? I'm good. You're holding up like a trooper, by the way. I'm very impressed. Okay. So you've got the side effects. So 50% are going to experience nausea, vomiting, constipation, this, that, the other. The parting line is it passes. And in some people it does. But even if you look at, I believe it was the SELECT trial, because I messed this up in my debate with the Nadolsky brothers. I think I said it was the FLOW trial. It was the SELECT trial. 16.6% of the people

that were on the medication couldn't tolerate it and had to exit the study. So there was also a survey released by Prime Therapeutics, which is one of the biggest pharmacy benefit managers in the country. And they managed 38 million patients for Blue Cross Blue Shield. And they showed that 66% of the people that are put on these drugs get off of them the first year alone because of side effects, then cost, then plateau. So, okay. If 66% of you are going on it and getting off, that's not good. And we'll getting off, that's not good. And we'll get to why that's not good in a minute. But, all right, the side effects within the first year are going to be the easy shit. It's going to be nausea, vomiting, constipation.

Yeah. Because, and as much as they're like, that's not true, the risks of pancreatitis, or even in the thyroid research, these risks go up within the first to the third year. In other words, the longer you're on it. And if we also look at, just anecdotally, something like intestinal blockage, there was another study, of course, independent, and I recommend people look it up, where they found in patients that were going to undergo weight loss surgery, like a sleeve, lap band, they found that six out of 23 patients, I believe this is the number, forgive me if I'm wrong, look it up for yourself, but a good amount had something called a gastric bezoar, which is this ball of undigested gunk, which inevitably would become an intestinal

baggage, right? Exactly. So in 100 patients that they looked at that were going for the same surgery, they zero had a gastric bezoar. Now, my point is they're not looking for that in these trials. And in fact, in other research that I put out on this podcast, they're like, well, we're not really going to find some of these more serious side effects because the timeframe is not long enough. It sometimes happens in three years. And then they're like, oh, these drugs have been around for a long time. Right. And the French, well, they have in different forms. Yeah, but not being used in the way that they're being used. Not to that dose. Right. Not the exact replica. However, that's where they got the thyroid

safety signal from was the database from all of the previous incarnations of these drugs. So, okay. You're on it for a short period of time. You get off of it. We know that that's going to make you gain the weight back and arguably then some. There's a host of reasons. But first of all, there's refeeding syndrome. If you're eating very, very, very little because the drug is facilitating that, well, they say that the cravings come back anecdotally from an observational perspective. People I've heard talk about it say the cravings come back with a vengeance. So now you're hungry with a vengeance, but you've lowered your metabolic set point because your calorie intake has been so low. Hence the yo-yo, that's what yo-yo dieting is. It's a refeeding syndrome. It's your body being

like, oh shit, let me hold onto this for the next time we're eating 500 calories in a day. That's why the back and then some game, right? But you've also lost muscle. And God, I think Dr. Oh my God, not Lufkin, Dr. Lustig. Okay, Lustig. Dr. Lustig and Peter Attia were saying they were seeing muscle loss, like 60% of the weight was muscle loss. That's a big concern. I think the trials showed like 40%, which is still too high. And if you're eating less and you're moving more, it should be no higher than 25% lean mass. And that's alarming to begin with. So, okay, you've lost muscle, you've messed up, you've lowered your metabolic set point. You've probably, I mean, if we just use common sense, if you're supplementing GLP-1 exogenously,

right? You're giving the body GLP-1, well then, or something that replicates it, the body's not going to make it. It's also bypassing the vagus nerve. So then the vagus nerve could arguably become dysfunctional because you're not utilizing it. Yeah. Which is another reason it's a faulty assumption to think that somebody who's healthy taking these drugs is going to have the same effects as a person who's unhealthy. They already have a dysfunctional vagus nerve. They already have advanced heart disease or chronic kidney disease or a messed up microbiome. The housewife taking it to lose 30, 40 pounds probably doesn't. So now you've gotten off of it and it cost you money and you messed up your metabolism and you

lost muscle. So 66% of those people are behind the eight ball. You stay on it forever, but you will plateau on it. That's been shown in every meta-analysis. So they're like, well, we don't want you to waste away. Well, if you're 300 pounds and you've lost, what, 14%, 15%? Because those are the numbers they put out. And even if it's like, well, I've seen more. Okay. But if you're 300 pounds and you need to be 200 pounds, you've lost, what, 40 pounds? We got 60 pounds to go. So somewhere you're going to have to dig deep because you plateaued on this. And then God bless Fatima Cody Stanford, who came out and was like, well, we could take this drug and that drug

and fentramine and this and that and the other. It's in Medscape. Here's a cascade of drugs to break your plateau. So you plateau on it. I don't love that. And over time, your risk of a more serious side effect improves. And you are running a greater risk. You've slowed your stomach motility. Think about that. We know that's what creates SIBO. What is one of the top contributors

to SIBO? A decrease in stomach motility. If we know that gastric bezoars are building up in people, that inevitably leads to an intestinal blockage. If we know we're making your vagus nerve dysfunctional, and there are so many mechanisms of action on depression. And I find this also fascinating. And then I'll stop yapping about this drug because we could go on for hours about these drugs. But if you're a person with addiction, you can absolutely see why it would help because it kind of numbs that pleasure center of the brain. Food noise, yeah. So whether it's food noise, alcohol, drugs, sex addiction, very fascinating tool.

But if you weren't arguably hypersensitive, that dopamine hit, and I don't have an addictive personality, are those the people that then get this numbing and this general malaise and fall into this kind of dystopian depression or darkness, which is not everybody. So it's just a very complex, nuanced drug. If somebody was to titrate it, my question becomes to what end and to treat what? Because if it's like, well, it's neuroprotective. Okay. Maybe I certainly haven't done any homework on it. That's JJ Virgin's argument. I haven't looked into it for this. There's cerebral lysine. If you want to get into peptides that are neuroprotective, you have to get it from Austria or Russia, but it's arguably designed for that. If you want to go into peptides that are neuroprotective, you have to get it from Austria or Russia, but it's arguably designed for that.

If you want to go down that rabbit hole, I mean, you can get it. There's different things. There's psychedelics that are supposedly neuroprotective. Like if we're going to have the neuroprotective conversation or the… There's other things. It's also my biggest issue with all of this is that we're not addressing the root cause. And the root cause is massive. And we need to fix it.

It's also it goes back to what we were talking about and why we need RFK so bad is because why are we now just instead of going, OK, maybe we need to stop allowing big food to collude with Washington, lobby in Washington, and allow these companies to sell these products that we know they're simply on the shelves because they want to make more money. They serve no health benefits at all whatsoever. So why are we not addressing that and making sure that also like if we want to talk about like lower socioeconomic families that do not have access to real food. And they are only eating processed packaged foods and they are getting so sick. On purpose.

Why are we not addressing that? Because that's the issue here. We don't need to do a drug audit. But you do, but you get called a racist, right? That's Callie's. Exactly. But I am deeply concerned about what happens with RFK. Are you?

Do you feel like it's not going to happen? You really? You feel like it's not going to happen? Really? You feel like it's not going to happen? Do you think it's because he has too many big pharma lobbyists and people in his ear about it? Let's look at what this would upend. Not one industry, not two industry, not three, four that I know of. So let's talk about that. Big food, big farm, a big insurance.

Big farming. Oh, yeah, big agriculture, duh, yeah. I mean, his family has a history. I don't want to say it, but I'm like, God, I hope they don't try to take him out. I don't think he gets the job. Really? I hope so. I read something the other day that said the Senate needs to agree.

Oh, really? Yeah. Okay, so that I don't know. God, but we need— I heard it through the grapevine, because I was like, why is this taking so long? And then someone told me, and I could be getting this wrong. Obviously, I'm not an expert in this area.

But I did look it up, and it said that Supreme Court justices, like, major advisory roles, all these things, need a Senate majority? And if you're like, well, he has a Senate majority. Well, do we think that these lobbies just pay Democrats? Yeah, of course they're paying all of them. Yeah.

So that's interesting. I thought he had, but yeah, that's interesting. I'm hopeful. If it doesn't happen, it's certainly, I don't think it's Trump. I think that the forces moving to act against this would be so great for so many reasons. I don't know what a world without this corruption would even look like? What does farming look like when you don't have genetically engineered crop? Is it scalable? It is. Yeah. So this is something I'm very passionate about. I've studied this for a long time. This is you. Go. So there is a, actually,

I wanted to present this to the Senate, but I didn't get asked that question. It was one of the questions I wanted them to ask me, but he didn't ask me it. Can you scale it? You can. So there is a 40-year ongoing study through the Rodale Institute. It's been going on for 40 years now. And what they've been doing is they have been organically farming next to conventional farming, and they have been testing to see what the results are.

Now, what they found is that when you are farming organically, you yield the same, if not sometimes more than in conventional farming. Plus you have the added benefit of sustainability because the problem is, is that what we're doing right now with conventional farming, I encourage everybody to go watch. We're killing soil. We are desertifying our land. What do you think happened in the Dust Bowl? It's the exact same thing that happened in the Dust Bowl, but we're doing this all over the world right now. And I encourage everybody to go watch Common Ground and Kiss the Ground because they explain this very well in full, long details. Fantastic documentaries. Kiss the Ground's on Netflix. We are desertifying

our land, meaning that we are killing the soil and it's becoming this like top layer of just like sand that just like blows away jesus and when that happens we lose the ability to plant in that land so we are getting to the point where if we desertify so much of our land where does everybody think we're going to be planting our crops would love somebody to answer that question to me so that is why we need regenerative farming because it's it's a win-win for so many different industries that we're worried about right now. Everybody's so worried about climate change for good reason. I am too. Regenerative farming, it allows a natural process with the earth that happens when you leave earth and mother nature alone to let her do her thing.

When we're not mitigating this with spraying all the crops and killing the soil and desertifying the soil, there's a process that happens where it pulls carbon out of the atmosphere. What are we so worried about right now? The carbon in the atmosphere. So if we can get back to regenerative farming, we can have more healthy crops for people that are not being sprayed to high hell with all these horrible carcinogenic pesticides. And then we're going to have more nutrients in our soil, which what does that mean? It means more nutrients in our plants, in our vegetables, in our produce for us. And then we're also going to be pulling carbon out of the atmosphere. And we can yield enough of this for enough people.

Also, we're at a place right now in this country where they'll pick your produce like six weeks before you get it at the grocery store. By the time you get it, it has no nutrients left. It's all oxidized. So we need more local farmers in more local communities so that people can get their local produce. This is not working. You're getting a tomato in the grocery store. That thing was picked like six to eight weeks ago. And then it was sprayed with something on the truck on its way to you so that it would finally ripen in the truck. And it's like six weeks old. It's disgusting. And this is the reality of our agriculture right now. So like all these people fighting back,

well, the science says and the conventional farming is producing enough and we're going to feed the world. First of all, why don't we figure out how to feed our own country first? Not saying that I'm not worried about everybody in other countries, but like, why are we not worried about our own people first? Why are we not trying to figure out? We are seeing the effects right now. You literally said this actually in your Senate speech about who we're, this crisis, we're basically going to extinct ourselves if we don't intervene. So what are we doing here? And we have everybody digging their heels in and we have all these corporate lobbyists that are just

fighting for us to keep these old systems. And we're all going high. We're all fucking dying here. Everybody has chronic disease. I don't know a single person in my life that's not dealing with some sort of chronic disease. I know. You know what's wild? I got an MRI. Have you ever done the full body MRI? Prenuvo? Yep. Yes. I did that too. Courtney, how'd that go? Well, I'll tell you later. I haven't been public about mine yet, but yeah. Okay. Ready? Okay. I haven't been public about this yet either. Okay. Thyroid nodules,, by the way, I have known about since I was 30. So I know they've been around that long because I have a birth defect in my – God bless my parents – a birth defect in my jaw called, like, a lymphangioma.

And it's – long story short, they found this bump in my jaw, thought it was cancer. It's not, but they found these thyroid nodules. So I was young when they found those for whatever reason that they're there. Then they're like, well, you have fibroids in your uterus. I'm like, okay. Then it's like, but don't worry, that's common. Like you have cysts on your kidneys. I'm like, I'm sorry, what? Then they're like, don't, don't worry. That's common. And you have just some small white matter lesions on your kidneys. I'm like, I'm sorry, what? And they're like, don't worry, that's common. And you have just some small white matter lesions on your brain. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? What the fuck's going on here? Okay, no, hold on. Just let's

look at this for a second. I don't eat processed food. I work out. Oh, yeah. I get my sleep. I eat pretty good quality food. I take all my vitamins. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. Like, I don't do it. I think maybe I'll have max when I'm drinking two glasses of wine a week.

That's me. That's it. Yeah. Like if I really need to go to sleep, I will have a two milligram weed gummy once every six weeks. Like if I'm traveling to get on a schedule, because it's like literally clubbing me in the head. That's how sensitive I am to it.

I hate weed. Can't stand it. Like my body does not like it. Puts me straight to bed. So it's like a great night to it. I hate weed. Can't stand it. Like my body does not like it. Puts me straight to bed. So it's like a great night-night tool. There's nothing. So think about this. What the fuck is in the air, the water, like the food I'm eating at a restaurant, the products that are on my face right now to sit down and speak with you.

Exactly. All of these things that I, I mean, if I can't mitigate all of it, how are people that are not even paying attention to this yet? I mean, you and I, we've created our careers around keeping ourselves healthy. And I'm so grateful that I did that because I started digging a long time ago and started going, oh, wait, what's in our water? What's in our beauty products? Like, what are we eating? What are we spraying on our food? But think about the people that have no idea. They're clueless that this is even happening right now because our government is not coming out with any sort of plan or also even warning people about this. And then when I come and I talk about this,

I'm called a conspiracy theorist and I'm wearing a tin hat. And I'm like, okay, well, I've only been and finally now people are starting to pay attention but I've been over here for 18 years taking bullets because everybody's telling me I'm a conspiracy theorist and I'm like y'all this is not conspiracy and we are seeing the effects of it right now infertility is on the rise cancer is on the rise I mean like you said the prenuvo scan I mean they found little things in me too and I'm just like if they're fighting stuff in me and you I'm horrified for the people that are not eating organic that are eating their entire diets are ultra processed. They're 50 to 100 pounds overweight.

Not shaming them, but just like the facts of what's happening right now. I mean, we have a 50 percent obesity rate in children right now. You know, in Japan, it's 3 percent. It's an American problem. This is not a genetic thing. This is an American problem. Isn't that wild? But you just have to stop and ask yourself,

how much money does a person need? And a lot of people, and I've been guilty of going down a few rabbit holes recently. And I've thought things might happen that didn't come to pass. So I'm like, okay, you know, like, look, you know, maybe I'm maybe it's not as dark as I think. But all of this is about greed. And, you know, Callie is like, well, it's just the raw economic incentive. And, you know, this is just the way it's designed. And we just need to improve the

bottom line. And but if you really think that there aren't a handful of these guys, the Larry Finks, the George Soros, the Bill Gates, these guys, in my opinion, they own the majority share of these media companies. They own the majority of Monsanto. They own the majority of Boeing and Lockheed Martin. They own all of it. All of it. They have the majority. It's publicly traded, but they have 14%, 17% of the news channel, the drug company, the food. So I'm sorry.

This doesn't happen by accident. No. Obviously. It is a game of, like, freaking parallel universe ayahuasca chess that these guys are playing. Yeah, they're playing chess And we're playing fucking pick-up sticks, man. Oh, dude, it's like

whack-a-mole over here. Like, just trying to reduce toxin exposure. And you just have to think, like, how much money do you need? Have you just have to think, like, how much money do you need? Have you ever listened to guys like Patrick by David talk about Larry Fink? I haven't heard him talk about Larry Fink, but my fiancé is super into his podcast.

So I've started kind of diving into that. He's got to be the most powerful man in the world. Really? Like over George Soros? Wow. George Soros is like, this man manages the most money as a human. I think there's like a few people at BlackRock, but he's the guy, right? The most money in the world as a human.

So I think the only two GDPs that are bigger would be America and China, but there's no one human in charge of this much money. I mean, think of what you could do with this kind of money. But instead, who do you think got the contract to rebuild Ukraine? Them and J.P. Morgan for $400 billion. But it's just such a deep hole. And if you're thinking, what's the relation? They've already, because Ukraine had to take that money as a loan and they had to auction off their resources

when Monsanto and Cargill already got a hold of 30 percent of their farming land. I actually guess who owns a controlling amount of that fucking BlackRock. Of course they do. This is the part, Courtney, that you're just like, dude. Whoa. Anyway. No, but but you're spot on. And this is where I feel like I just want to shake people and be like, wake. It's too much.

Up. Wake up. It's too much. Because we're all being poisoned and they're all laughing their way to the bank. Like, it's really the reality of it. This is why, like, we think one guy is going to undo this. I mean, I hope so i i'm praying to god because i think this is where i think trump's character flaws nobody could stand up to this without having some of his personality traits like take a bolt in the head stand back up i mean okay

so you know i hope so but i just think that there are so many players and factors at work here to stop this from happening. I really, really, really hope so. But if it does have to get like Senate majority and all these different things, I mean, between you and I, it hasn't been announced yet, I'm guessing for a reason. I think there's a huge internal fight. It's just speculation. I think that's, I think you're spot on. I think there's some sort of political fight happening right now, for sure.

I personally have a lot of hope. I have a lot of faith because I have heard several people, including RFK himself, say that Trump is a man of his word. I'm just taking him. It's not just Trump, though. No, you're right. That's the problem. You're right.

You're right. I hope so. I agree. I'm wondering, yeah, it's interesting because, you know, to be honest, I didn't think about the Congress side of it. I'm thinking about it more from the side of. Look it up. It says like Senate has to be, has to approve just the same way with like a Supreme Court justice, I think. Okay. I looked it up and it said it doesn't specifically say head of HHS, but it's like any significant position, Supreme Court justice, cabinet rule, this, that, the other.

I was like, oh, fuck. All right. Well, because if we look at, I know I'm praying. If we look at some of the people that he's already instated, like, for example, Vivek Ramaswamy, who I really like, and Elon Musk. He's put them in charge of, what do they call it? Doge. Something government efficiency. Government efficiency.

Office of government efficiency. Something of government efficiency. So, like, he is placing people in there where I feel like they're going to hopefully be able to, I mean, the term is drain the swamp, right? And so maybe we can slowly start to unravel this. I'm hoping. But just if this doesn't go the way we want it to, you've got to understand that what's behind this is. Oh, yeah.

Well, I mean, that's why i've been fighting so hard for this i know and because you know i i had all these people in my dms be like oh my god as a woman how could you not care about women's rights and i'm like y'all don't understand we are we are becoming so infertile we are literally going to become become extinct and then abortion's not even going to be on the table anymore and i'm not not trying to be insensitive, but I'm like, I don't think some people understand the gravity of what is actually happening right now. I'm incredibly, incredibly empathetic to what's going on, especially with women in Texas. Are you kidding me? Of course I have empathy for that. But it's kind of like we had to weigh our options of like, okay, literally extinction and like World War III. Like we're not going to be worried about abortions if we're getting fucking bombed. I'm sorry. Like it just is the reality of what's happening right now. Of course I care about that. I also have done a lot of research on the other end and made myself at least feel a little bit better where like I've heard him say he doesn't want to do an abortion ban. Kamala wouldn't have been able to reinstate

it anyways. I know. So like there's certain things where I'm like, you know what? We just have to trust. We got to. Exactly. We just have to trust. And if it goes the other way and promises aren't kept and we were all duped, well, guess what? We're all going to vote again in four years. Exactly.

And a lot of us are thinking independently. So, you know. So maybe we'll actually get an independent in there or maybe we'll get Tulsi Gabbard, which would be amazing. I know. I'm literally like, please, girl. Please, we need you. That's going to be an interesting fight. And the reason I say that is because all of us that kind of pulled together on this one,

a lot of my guy friends love J.D. Vance now. And all my girlfriends are rooting for Tulsi. And I think this is going to bring down the house. Like, let's get there. That's true. Let's get there. Let's get there. But I think it's going to be tough in the house, man.

Because she's... But let's get there. Like, again, I'm just jumping ahead. Let's get there. Four years is a long time. A lot can happen. We've seen that. Yeah.

So I really hope so. I have a lot of hope. I feel like if everything, or not even everything, if some goes the way in which we hoped for and what we voted for, life is going to get better for everybody. You're right. I agree. So I'm just like, y'all, just let's hold on for a second. It might get a little rocky because we are also draining the swamp and we're draining a system that has been in play for a really long time that has been harming all of us.

So let's give it a chance. And hopefully, I'm hopeful, I'm actually really hopeful that we'll at least be able to get some of this stuff figured out so that we can create a better life for everyone, for everyone, you know? And I think like you talk to the majority of people and we're all, we're all pretty much on the same team. It's like, we all just want to be left alone to do the things that we want to do. We want to love who we want to love. We, you know, it's like, we want to, we want to be able to actually create a living for ourselves where we can actually fucking pay for groceries and gas and just to be left alone. Like in my experience having these conversations, most people feel pretty much about the same about all of that. And we just have different ways of getting there.

We do. But then you've got the more nuanced issues that you and I talked about. For sure. And that's where I think building this good faith within each other to deal with the issues that are, like, left a little. Yeah. We got to do that work right now. And I think we're doing it. I think we have to start listening to each other and giving it a beat. Yes.

And not pointing fingers and not attacking and seeing where it goes and understanding that it won't be perfect. I wasn't stoked about Matt Gaetz. I need to look into him but i don't i don't know anything about him here's the thing you can't this is politics it's like have you ever negotiated a contract exactly you got to give up on things it's like okay you got to give that in order to get this you got to give that in order to get this this is not to give that in order to get this. This is not heaven. Things don't always go your way. Exactly. It's a negotiation. I guarantee it's like, well, we'll let this happen if you let that happen. Yeah. Trump is not God. I mean, he's got to play the game. Exactly. And he's also not perfect. Just the same with if it was Biden in there or if it was Kamala in there realistically. Oh, God. I mean, those picks would have been.

I mean, it would have been catastrophic. It would have been all Monsanto and, well, Bayer now and big food, big pharma. I've actually been wanting to have this conversation. And you know what's so funny? I had all these other questions I was going to ask you about health, but this felt really important. And you speak to this really well. You speak to it really eloquently.

And also, Jillian, you're in a very unique position where you can actually talk about a lot of these things from a way where people can't push back super hard because you're a gay woman. You've been a Democrat and had a dog in this fight. You have a dog in this fight. Whereas if I try to talk about this, I get called every fucking name under the sun, homophobic, racist, you know, all these things. Oh, you must have the racist one or like, it's tough though, because like I said, I hold a lot of cards. So it's like, I've got, my mom's a Jew. My dad's Lebanese. That's bizarre. And it's like, oh, she's okay. What do we do there? Fuck. There's nowhere to go. Like, and then it's like, I have a black kid and unfortunately I wait on that child hand in front. So there's really nowhere to go there. Like I live to serve the child is why.

And then my son's Latin. Like there's nowhere to go. Yeah. And I'm gay. Well, I'm really grateful because I think it's people like you that came out and just said, you know what? We got to start asking questions. We got to start pushing back because some of this, the line has gone so far.

It's becoming absurd. So grateful for your voice in this. And you're so eloquently spoken and such a kind person too. I wanted to say this also. No, you are so sweet. So we met, and this is another thing I wanted to talk about, but maybe I'll bring you on another time and we'll talk about this. So we actually met because we were speaking together to the U.S. Senate. And I always had this, envisioned you as this like super hard ass, like tough love person, because that's who you were on The Biggest Loser, right? Oh, for sure. And by the way, legitimately, but that's a separate conversation.

Totally. Because that was a life or death intervention on a ticking clock. For sure. And I fucking meant it. So, you know, but different conversation for a different day. And I appreciate it because I think what you did there, you needed to be that in order to help these people. In certain instances, yes. And again, like we'd have to sit down because there's a whole so much that was, anyway, continue. You expected me to be. Let's bring you back. No, I didn't even expect you anything, but I just, I'd known you as this

like super, you know, hard ass, like tough love. And then I met you at the U.S. Senate and I was like, God, she is so sweet. I don't, I never told you this. And then we really have to go. I, when we walked into that room, I was shitting myself. I was so nervous. I was so nervous. And I sit down and you go, well, this isn't intimidating at all. It made me laugh. And I was like, oh my God, if Jillian Michaels is nervous, I'm good. And then I will never forget, you literally put your hand on my shoulder

and you were like, I've got you. And I was like, dude, I fucking love this girl. Like, I love this woman. Like, you're amazing. You crushed it. You were so great. It was intimidating, Courtney. That was wild.

It was intimidating. But then all of my fears subsided in the 37th minute of Jordan Peterson's monologue. I was like, oh, fuck me. Can I get that nicotine gum? Literally. I was like, oh, I can't. Oh. And we were the last to go, those fuckers.

I know. By that time, I was asleep. And we were supposed to be on the front end. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That was amazing. Well, I want to ask you a personal end. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That was amazing. Well, I want to ask you a personal question. I ask all my guests before we end, which are what are your health non-negotiables? So no matter how crazy your day is, your week is, what are the

things that you prioritize for your own health? Oh, man, I would say sleep is number one. I put that above sleep and food whenever possible. So like today I was so crazy and I grabbed like some snacks from home. I will avoid eating anything out as often as possible because it's so bad for you. Yeah. Getting my sleep and taking my supplements because all things I can manage. So sometimes the exercise, I'm like, well, you know, that'll go. That'll be the first thing to go because I can manage it in other ways. But those three things probably, sleep, food quality, supplements, because I can control that in large part. Exactly.

Well, I love that. Thank you so much for coming on. This was amazing. Please let everybody know where they can find you. Gosh, you could just go to JillianMichaels.com. It's like the hub for whatever the hell. I don't even know what I'm doing these days. My friends are like, are you talking about abortion?

Or are we going to talk about, you know, not gaining weight during the holidays? I'm like, I have no fucking idea. Well, they made health political and it's our life and it's our careers. So we have to have a conversation. I agree. Thank you for having me, Angel. You're the best. Thank you so much.

I loved this. Okay, so I just ended with Jillian Michaels. I just finished recording my intro and then I check my phone and I get this from Jillian. Okay, listen. Oh my fucking God, Courtney. Check the group text. It's happening, girl. It's happening. Okay, so y'all were here in the episode, but we talk about how Jillian's really concerned that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is not actually going to be able to be elected. There was a lot of concerning talk about how there was going to be a to be elected. There was a lot of concerning talk about how there was going to be a lot of roadblocks from him actually getting in. Well, I'm here to

announce, y'all, I'm going to cry. I'm honestly so emotional about this. I'm going to cry. Trump is going to be selected by or sorry, Robert F. Kenny Jr. is going to be selected by Trump to lead the HHS. This is exactly what we've been hoping for for so long. And it's fucking happening. And this is the reason why I voted for Trump. And I could not be more stoked. Let's fucking go. Let's make America healthy again. Thank you so much for listening to the Real Foodology podcast. This is a Wellness Loud production produced by Drake Peterson. Theme song is by Georgie. You can watch the full video version of this podcast inside the Spotify

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