Realfoodology - The Rise & Impact of the MAHA Movement | Del Bigtree

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

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On today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast. Once you prove the medical establishment, your doctor or Sanjay Gupta, once you prove that this is an incredible lie, now you have to think about all the things you believe coming from the mouth of these institutions. You have to put it on the chopping block and say, if they lie about that, then what else are they lying about? Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology Podcast. I'm your host Courtney Swan and today's guest is Del Bigtree.

He is the CEO of the Maha Alliance PAC. He's also the CEO of the Informed Consent Action Network and the host of the Highwire. And he also served as communications director for Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s 2024 presidential campaign. This guy has a big deal. I've been following his work for years with Highwire and just love everything that he stands for. He's truly a truth seeker and just a fighter for the people.

We dive into a lot of different stuff. We talk about his work before all of this. He was actually a producer for that show, The Doctors. He also worked on a documentary called Vax, which is great. And I would highly recommend checking that out. We talk about some pretty controversial stuff that really needs to get out there. There's a lot of shadows and darkness around this, and we need to shed light on the truth.

And when you do that, you upset a lot of people, and unfortunately will probably cause a lot of people to be triggered and send some horrible ratings and reviews my way. So if you could take a moment to give a five-star rating, it would really help me a lot, and it would help counteract some of the hate that we probably will get for the show. Also if you're loving this episode, if you want to tag me at Real Foodology, if you want to tag Dell Big Tree, it means a lot to us. I know that it helps get our message out there and we would really appreciate it. So thanks so much for listening, guys.

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I know. Great to finally make it happen. I'm so glad. Yeah, actually, I was so excited. I saw you in the audience last fall when we were at that Senate roundtable and I was like, oh my God, that's Del Bigtree. I've been following your work in high wire for so long. Yeah. And I'm just so grateful for all the work that you're doing. And so I'm super excited to

connect and have you on the podcast. I want to talk about before we started recording, we were actually talking about the way that you grew up. You grew up in Boulder and your mother was very, very on it with your health, like almost like extreme. I mean, it's the way I hope to raise my children. But can you share a little bit about your childhood and how you grew up? Yeah, sure. I mean, when I give talks, which I do all the time,

and people say, where does it start? I always think, how far back do I go? But I really, I do credit my parents and my mother, especially for being very conscious parents. In some ways, I guess, really ahead of their time. But, you know, my mom decided to not vaccinate me as a baby. My parents, I would describe as sort of, you know, 60s hippies.

I mean, they marched in Chicago, like at the big march where the cops were beating up people. And so I grew up with stories about, you know, the JFK assassination, but marching against Vietnam. So that was very much a part of the culture that I grew up in discussions about movements, civil rights movements, like, I mean, like since I was a very young child. And then on top of not vaccinating was this idea that you really don't need. My parents were radical. They, you know, practiced meditation and thought that your mind was the strongest healing tool

that you have. So my mom would even run in and throw essential oil on a cutter or something, she'd say, get up, you're fine. I remember one day I came home, I had been playing soccer, and I jumped through the air and landed on the ball and just rolled my ankle so bad it felt like it went like went all the way up to my knee, like really bad. And I came like, someone gave me some crutches. This is just to show you just what my mom was like.

And she opened the door and said, what happened? It's like, oh, I really, I think I might have broke my ankle or something. And my mom grabbed the crutches, threw them in the front yard and said, come on in, you're not walking around in crutches, walk it off. And that was it. Everything was like that. Like, you don't, we're not taking a doctor, we're not so, um, like, wild that way. And so the food, very much, like, we had to grind our own wheat. Uh, we had money, I mean, we're, you know, I would say we were middle class, it

wasn't that we were poor, but my mom would like, we'd like take turns, my brother and sister, like, grinding this hand-cranked stone ground, you know, grinder, and went to school. So my sandwiches were like homemade bread. It was really thick, would fall apart. Oh yeah, with tons of seeds in it probably. Yeah, homemade mayonnaise, which was relatively thick out of the blender. But by the time you open up your lunch at school, it just soaked through the bread. Bread's falling apart.

The lettuce is wilted. Every sandwich had to have lettuce. I would try to trade off my sandwich to someone that getting the school lunch program, like, oh, it's pizza day, never worked. No one wanted to touch in my rock hard, carob chip cookies, like made with whole wheat flour. They were really better at like, in slingshots than actually trying to eat.

So I grew up just with a radical health concept that was very, my mom was very aware of aluminum in deodorants or anything. She would read things and say, you don't ever want aluminum anywhere near your body. We never had non-stick pants. I mean, from, I mean, back in the, I mean, I was born in 1970. So back in the 70s, when all of these products were coming on the market, my mom was like, no, like only cast iron. And so she was just like, like now I look back and, and she like made us obsessed about it.

Like I would like go to her friend's house and they were cooking in a nonstick pan and be like, oh, I don't know. Like I think I'm just going to head home. And now we'd know that those are forever chemicals that are all through our bodies and causing all sorts of problems. I wouldn't describe my mom as like this scientist. She just mostly intuitively just said, we're going to stick as close to nature as absolutely possible. It had a huge effect on my life.

Ultimately, I wanted to be in film and television, and I'll never forget when I started working on The Doctors and ultimately, I wanted to be in film and television and I'll never forget when I started working on the Doctors television show which was a real shift in my career. I won an Emmy Award on that show. My mom called me and she said, what are you doing working on a medical talk show? You've never been to a doctor in your life.

I said, yeah, I know it's weird. I'm like a Trojan horse in here. I'm bringing alternate perspectives on health. I'm challenging the medical establishment in every episode I'm creating on this show. And I just happened to be the highest rated producer on the show. I think people were really eating it up. My executive producers didn't recognize that I kind of had an agenda. And all they cared was I was getting great ratings.

Wow. Remind me because I actually, I maybe saw a couple of episodes of The Doctors, but were you able to integrate a lot of more of like a root cause preventative type approach on that show? Well, I mean, there's only so much you can do, but we were the competition to Dr. Oz. I'll be honest, I would watch Dr. Oz like yearningly because he was much more into his show brought in vitamins

and a little bit was, I would say, more alternate health intuitive. But yeah, I would just, just things like chiropractic is being brought into the Cleveland Clinic. I remember doing a whole show about that or a surgeon that's using acupuncture instead of anesthesia and just always pushing the envelope. Every time some surgeon or some new technology was helping us be less invasive and, you know,

on our attack on the body and whatever they were doing, that was the focus I took. And then I did a lot of shows really challenging. Like one of the big ones I did, I did when the WHO in 2015, IARC, which is the Cancer Institute for WHO, came forward and said that glyphosate is probably carcinogenic to human beings. This is the chemical at the center of Roundup. It was Monsanto at the moment. Now Bayer owns them. But in 2015, the WHO said this is probably carcinogenic to humans. It was a huge, it was after a two-week symposium where every scientist in the world came and weighed in on the topic. I mean, this is an herbicide that sprayed on 80% of our crops. Of course, it's getting a lot more attention now. Didn't have a lot of attention

when I was working on the doctors. And so for instance, in that case, I reached out to Monsanto and I said, hey, do you want to send someone to our show to defend your product? Now, they don't know I grew up totally organic and that I absolutely loathed them as a company. And really they felt safe. And this was what was amazing about my job. They felt safe because this was always amazing about my job. They felt safe because it was doctors

They know it is sponsored mostly by pharma and and chemical companies So this will be the safest place for us to do this. Yeah, we're gonna send Donna Farmer our head of toxicology From Monsanto and so I reached out to Jeffrey Smith who's a GMO activist that had written books on Monsanto on on this chemical. And I said, would you like to come and debate the head of toxicology at Monsanto? He couldn't believe it. I mean, he was like, you're kidding me. Like they never get on television. I was like, well, they're about to do it.

And so I did things like that. And my executive producer was like, what is this story about? Like an herbicide? I was like, is it, it sounds boring. I was like, oh no, trust me, it's not. And you know, in that debate, there was people like, you know, hissing and booing and cheering. It was like a Jerry Springer episode.

And my executive, I was always on the headset, the executive producer was like, what is going on? Tell, what is this story? You know? And ironically, or at least, you know, shockingly, years later, probably about five or six years ago, I was doing an interview now that Monsanto is losing these cases and the Dwayne Johnson case, of course, the most famous thing was like maybe like a two or three billion dollar settlement for the cancer that's all over this gardener's body.

And I had Brett Wisner, the head attorney into the show, and I was interviewing about it. And it came up that I was like, you know, I did the Doctors television show where I interviewed Donna Farmer. I know all, and he said, wait a minute, the debate between Donna Farmer and Jeffrey Smith? I said, yeah. And he's like, that's one of our biggest pieces of evidence. Like, we use that in every single trial we do because now that we have discovery, we show the jury

this is what the emails that Donna Farmer was writing, what she knew about how toxic this chemical was. Then we play your episode, pieces of your episode, the doctor's, and she's saying the exact opposite. And seeing the contrast of that lie, we think is helping us win the case. So there's things like that. Like you have no idea how you end up affecting the future, but those are the types of stories I did.

With this show that was just a medical talk show, like why are we getting into that serious a debate? I was always pushing the envelope in ways like that. I mean, that's so incredible. And is that how you ultimately ended up doing a show like Highwire? Did you just decide that you wanted to have a show where you had full control over the topics that you were talking about? It was almost accidental.

I left television because I stumbled onto the vaccine conversation. I had an inside source because I did controversial stories all the time. I had a doctor I'd worked with a year earlier. He had said to me on this story we did, you don't want to have me on your show because I'm controversial. Some people call me a quack online. I was like, oh, why? He said, well,

I'm one of these doctors that believes that vaccines cause autism. I said, well, this story we're doing has nothing to do with that. He's like, I know, I just don't want to undermine your show. I said, I'll worry about that. Then he said, would you this story we're doing has nothing to do with that. He's like, I know, I just don't want to undermine your show. I said, I'll worry about that. Then he said, would you ever do that story,

like vaccines and autism? I was like, yeah, we pretty much have a very strong perspective on this show that vaccines don't cause autism. I said, but people write in all the time, people whose children they say have been injured by vaccines. I'm interested in the topic, but it would have to be a big sea change in that conversation.

So if that ever happens, let me know since you're watching it. And so a year later, he said, there's a CDC whistleblower, he called me, he said, there's a CDC whistleblower that's coming forward and saying they're committing scientific fraud on the vaccine safety studies. Wow.

And I was like, oh. And he's like, in about two weeks, the recordings of an interview this guy's done are going to go public. It's going to be a really big deal. And so I pitched it on the show to my executive producers. They wouldn't let me anywhere near it. They're like, are you crazy?

We're not going to challenge the CDC as somehow committing fraud on safety studies. They let us in. Every time there's a flu outbreak, we would go backstage behind, you know, in CDC headquarters and see them rushing around, do shows about and celebrate them. And we're not going to go against the pharmaceutical industry. And I was like, okay. But I ended up deciding to make a documentary on that. An amazing set of circumstances put that in my lap. But if you're, that was, I mean, as anti-pharma as you can get is to go after vaccines.

And so I knew I was walking away from my television career because 70% of TV is pharmaceutical ads. And I made a documentary called Vaxed, from Cover Up to Catastrophe, which ignited this firestorm across the world. We got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival. We had bomb threats in theaters as we traveled the country and it just swept the world. We got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival. We had bomb threats in theaters as we traveled the country, and it just swept the world. Everyone was fascinated by that documentary.

And after doing that for a year, I started a nonprofit. I wanted to do more research into vaccines. That film was just about the MMR vaccine, the measles mumps rubella vaccine, and a study in 2000. Really, it was the last study ever funded by the US government looking at the connection between vaccines and autism. It's a total fraud. They did see a correlation,

and instead of showing the public, they committed fraud on that study and changed it. So while doing that, I was doing a podcast just like this in a studio, and I got done as being interviewed. And when I walked out, the head that owned the studios, like just all these different rooms, he walked up to me and said, you should have your own podcast. And I was like, oh yeah, that'd be great.

And I was trying to leave, and he literally blocked the door. He said, no, I'm not letting you leave here till you pick a time. We were sort of like television. You pick a time and a day. I want you to try doing this. I really think you'd be amazing. I was like, oh, all right. I was like, Thursday, 11 a.m. was in California. And that's how the high wire started.

And ultimately, my nonprofit has a huge legal side. We have one of the greatest attorneys, I think, in history named Aaron Seary. And I wanted to, because vaccines have liability protection, you cannot sue the manufacturers or anyone if you're injured by a vaccine. It's one of the only products like it in America. We decided, because we would never then get to do like a Donna Farmer story. You're never going to see the emails of what Moderna knows, how dangerous this product is, or what Pfizer actually knows, because you're never going to get into a courtroom. And so we started suing the government, since

they're the ones that took on the liability protection. In 2017, I started bringing lawsuits against the government, and we've won against HHS, CDC, FDA, NIH. And I really saw the high wire as a way, since mainstream media was never going to show what we were, the cases that we're winning and what we're learning about this product and others like it, we got into pesticide lawsuits and things like that. But the high wire ended up being that vehicle where we were able to show the world what we were discovering. And I think to date, I've probably spent nearly $30 million suing the government of the United States almost completely on the issue of vaccines.

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Yeah, because you'll never be on CNN. They'll never talk about it on MSNBC. I mean, even Fox, I mean, they've lightly dabbled. They're starting to, you know, open up a little bit. But the truth is, is this is the third rail of all third rails, and it's the holy grail of modern medicine. And so to challenge it, to ask questions about it is heresy. But now, obviously, a lot of that's changing as we speak.

I mean, thank God. And thank you so much for all the work that you've done. Because I really think a lot of what you've done with Highwire and getting the information out there, and also with Vax, like, you really have helped propel this movement forward. You, Bobby Kennedy, also the moms that have been coming forward about all this. You mentioned a CDC whistleblower that, can you share

what they found out, what the CDC found out? So the guy's name was Dr. William Thompson. He was the epidemiologist. So when you're doing a retrospective study, which was, this was like looking at a group of kids that had already been, you know, vaccinated or not vaccinated. It was out of Atlanta. And there was a few thousand kids in the study, mostly African-American because of the school system that they took the kids in from.

And so the epidemiologist is the most important part. I think it was four, five other scientists directly involved by the, you know, working for the CDC. The reason the study was done was because right at that moment Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who's the famous doctor in England that first said, I think the vaccines are causing autism, every time this story pops up it's like, oh the fraudulent doctor, Dr. Andrew Wakefield's been debunked, it's all, and the truth is he was the director on the film, on Baxed. And I celebrated that fact, and I will go down in history with him.

That is one of the greatest scientists and doctors that ever lived. He absolutely was onto something, and we would have saved millions of lives had we not let our CDC and the government's, you know, the pharmaceutical industry around the world destroy his career. That is the fraud. And one, you know, more and more people are waking up to that. But at the heart of this study was looking at, there was a timing study. And they thought if the MMR causes autism, then would there be sort of a timing issue we could see?

And so they studied the kids and said, were you more likely to be autistic if you got the vaccine earlier in life, like prior to 12 months of age, or after three years of age? And so they sort of compared those two groups against each other. So there was no unvaccinated control, if you will.

The control was those that received the vaccine after three years old, versus those that got it a year, a year and a half. And what they saw was four times the rate of autism in the children that got it younger, which was really, really damning. And then the fraud ultimately is they kicked half the kids off of the study once they discovered that. And this is what the whistleblower came forward and said, like, we saw a direct correlation four times the rate of autism, just if you got it earlier versus delaying that vaccine.

And then to kick half the kids off the study, every study in science has a protocol, they set the protocol. So every scientist involved in the study agrees, is the group we're going to look at, here's what we're going to look for, here's how we're going to look for it. You decide it all ahead of time and then you lock in that study protocol, that's how you keep it honest. You're not allowed to change what you want to look at or the group you're looking at

mid-study because you're not seeing what you don't want to see, which is exactly what they did. And I'll say this, a lot of people, if you watch Vax, it's an incredible film. One of those that I look at it, and I honestly, it's like somebody else made it. I still think, I don't know who made that film, there's something so powerful about it, we were all just vessels to make that happen.

But I want to be clear, a lot of people say that vaccine, that Vax, the documentary proves that vaccines don't cause autism, that do cause autism. I say it doesn't do that. What it proves is that five scientists at the CDC were so panicked about what they saw in an MMR study of autism that they went and committed scientific fraud to hide that. And that's all you can say. The rest, we have a lot of work to do. That's what Robert Kennedy Jr.'s being very objective right now about this process, which is we're going to put it all on the table. Let's look at all the food supply.

Let's look at glyphosate. Let's look at the chemicals in our food, our dyes. Let's look at fluoride in water. Let's look at, you know, pesticides and herbicides that are, you know, on the plants and hormones in our beef and the pollution in our air, the vaccines that we're injecting, and also the forever chemicals, you know, non-stick, you know, pans and plastics. All of this should be on the table. And I would venture to guess that there's going to be a combination of things that we see

there. I don't think there's just one smoking gun, but I do think it's gonna be clear. Just because I've interviewed thousands of families that have gone through this autism journey and many of them are lawyers, many of them are doctors and scientists themselves. And when you hear enough of these stories from very intelligent people, it's clear there's a reaction of vaccines that's happening in some of these kids. And so I think what we'll discover is that it's probably an issue of a toxic load on

a child and that they genetically may have a predisposition that they don't clear that toxic load as fast as other children do. But that probably the best delivery system for toxins is injecting it straight into your bloodstream like you do with vaccines. Yep, and then we're not detoxing the kids afterwards

and then they're just overloaded with everything that you just said. And may even be making one of the things I think you'll have to look at is may even be making the situation worse by giving them Tylenol. In all honesty, on the night they're getting fussy. So you remove the glutathione from the body and now all of a sudden the main ability to detox is taken away from the child. So those are the types of things we have to look at. I mean, I think you will probably see a synergy

between Tylenol vaccinations, the kids that are starting to have a very severe reaction, then you wipe out their ability to overcome that reaction, and maybe that's the death nail. So super fast, I mean, I'm really fascinated by this topic. I think as a journalist, I've done more research in this space than anyone on earth just because they're brought in the lawsuits and the, you know, transparency and suing the government on top of everything else.

Yeah, I'm so fascinated by all of this too. And actually, there was just a recent announcement done and I know you just did a podcast about this. Marty McCary, who's a mutual friend of ours at the FDA, just announced that they're going to go make it to where they actually have real safety studies done on vaccines. Can you explain that? Because I'm getting all this heat from people saying, oh, they've been doing that forever. This is a lie.

They haven't. No, clearly. I mean, and like, look, mainstream media is upset about it. It's so crazy. They're literally saying this could delay the vaccine program. So then you're admitting it's never been done. And that is the case. Bobby Kennedy and I have both been attacked for saying, and this is the truth, not a single

childhood vaccine we give our kids has ever been through a double-blind placebo trial. Like what we hear is a randomized control trial. Not one of them ever went through that process prior to licensure, not a single one. I know that's a crazy statement. It's been attacked as being misinformation, but this product has been being rushed onto the market with no proper, and that is the only,

by the way, that's the only way to determine that a product is safe. It's the gold standard. Everything else after that's an assumption. You can assume it's safe, you can hope that it's safe, but you can't actually scientifically say that the product is safe if you don't compare it to a placebo group, to a product that has no effect on the human body.

Just very quickly, I mean, they taught it in it my high school class I wonder if they still are like how a double-blind placebo trial works but essentially you have a test group half the group gets the product let's say it's a pill like Viagra you know half the men will take that pill the other half will take a sugar pill painted to look just like Viagra they don't know which one's which and it's You know, half the men will take that pill, the other half will take a sugar pill painted to look just like Viagra. They don't know which one's which. And it's called double-blinded because the scientists giving it don't know either.

Why is that important? Because the scientists are being paid by Viagra, right? So they have a conflict of interest as soon as they step in. So we want them to not know who's getting what. If it's an injectable product, the placebo group could say saline injection, and then you track these individuals. Usually, I think Viagra was

studied for 10 years in a safety trial, and you track all the health outcomes of both groups. Then when it's all over, you ask really clear questions. Who has more cancer? Who has more diabetes? Did anyone get a mutagenic effect where their genes mutated somehow?

Are they autistic? Who has a larger group of autism? That's how you do it and most drugs are tracked for usually six to 10 years in order to be approved for safety. When it comes to vaccines, never a placebo group. The longest studies you can find on a few of the vaccines is six months, and some of them are as short as four and five days.

When we're talking about the hepatitis B vaccine that we give to a day one old baby, that was based on 147 children studied for five days with no placebo. And I can prove it. I mean, and people will challenge this. And every reporter challenges me on this. It's really easy to check.

Just go to Google FDA licensed vaccines and then scroll down to RacambaVax is one of those two, EngerXB. Those are the two hepatitis B vaccines we give on day one. Click on it and then it'll say package insert. This is the warning label you should have received, but you did not. You click on that and then just go to 6.1. It has all the different sections, all the ingredients. You can see the nasty ingredients that are in there, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, thimerosalp

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a fascist and nothing's ever going to get done. And I can't believe that, you know, you're signing with the wrong people in history and just all this hate. And I'm sitting over here going, you guys are the ones that's politicizing this. I just want to see humans get healthy and thrive. For so long, the liberals were against big corporations and the poisoning of our country and our people and our food.

Now all of a sudden, they're fully against it. I'm sitting over here going, I'm so confused. It's one of the craziest pole shifts in politics. I think in history, but certainly in our lifetime, I've never seen anything like it because, you know, I grew up in Boulder, Colorado, which I call the crystal cathedral of liberalism. I don't, you know, maybe that Aspen, Berkeley, there's a couple, but I mean, you can't get more liberal than Boulder, Colorado. And those were the places where national food, you can't get more liberal than Boulder, Colorado. And those were the

places where natural food, you know, the first organic health food stores were like Boulder, Austin, Berkeley. I mean, that's how we grew up. And then we were all the children of hippies that were flower power and natural, like the natural life, right? And all the exercise, all of those things. And so, the fact, and so, and even vitamins. I remember, you know, I went to, in Boulder, there was this guy who was a homeopath, he was a naturopath, he was a chiropractor, he did acupuncture, like super genius that had all of alternate health. And he would say, the Democrats are going to come after our vitamins. All the way back, I'm talking back in the 1970s, 80s. I remember him saying it. He's like,

you cannot trust the Democrats. And my mom's like, what are you talking about? I mean, like we're, we're the natural health movement is Democrats. So he had a vision. I've called him since like, how did you know? How did you know? He said, this only ends in authoritarianism. And ultimately the Democratic party does not believe in freedom. They're not, they're going to come after the way that we do medicine. And so decades later that happened. But, um, to that point, I watched in, you know, I was director of communications for Robert Kennedy Jr. while

he ran for president. And, you know, this was an issue that we've seen it in California, SB 277, the law that was going to force vaccinate every child, they wouldn't be able to go to school, which is a destruction of any religious right you have, any First Amendment right. Wasn't that passed in California or am I wrong? It was passed, it was passed. It's what fueled the work that I did because I wasn't vaccinated. I hadn't vaccinated my baby and all that was happening

while I was at the Doctors' Television show. So that ignited a movement. I mean, in many ways, I joked, the senator that started that was a guy named Senator Richard Pan, very famously wrote that bill. I wanna erect a monument, a statute to Senator Richard Pan for waking up the sleeping giant on this vaccine issue. He thought, look, at that point,

it was like 3% of children in America were not vaccinating. It was such a non-event. Most of us that were living like that, we're just keeping it to ourselves. Weren't out there talking about it. But when he attacked us and said, I'm gonna make your way of life illegal, we, I got loud, and a lot of people did.

And then COVID hit, which if we decide to get into that, that was like manna from heaven. It was a horrific experience. But finally the world got to see how quickly we rushed these products out, how much our government will lie about their effectiveness and their safety, and everyone just started going, what is happening here? So now that 3% unvaccinated has exploded to probably a 30% vaccine hesitancy rate and maybe even as high as 50%. If you look at,

vaccine hesitancy rate, and maybe even as high as 50%. If you look at, I think like 80% of the people that are being recommended the latest booster shot, like number 10, 80% aren't getting it. So that means 80% of the people that used to believe the CDC are now rejecting what they have to say. Thank God. But all that to say is Bobby was running on the issue of I'm just gonna do science, right? We're just going to put

vaccines back on the table and say are they contributing to this chronic disease explosion that has gone from 12.4% in the 1980s, early 1980s, to 54% by 2017. And now the numbers we're hearing is 60%. That's the greatest decline in human health that has ever been recorded and something environmental is doing it. And by simply saying, I'm gonna look into it,

all hell broke loose, all mainstream media was against him. And so I sat with my brother on the day he'd been through the confirmation hearings, which were intense, and then the vote was coming in. We were sitting in the Senate hall and watching over hours as people coming in, Republican, Democrats and voting, and every Democrat coming through the door was voting no on Bobby Kennedy, who was just publicly stating, make America healthy again. Like you're voting no against making America healthy again. Everyone in the confirmation hearings,

even the Democrats admitted, yes, we have the worst healthcare system in the world. We have more babies die on the first day of life than every other industrialized nation combined. We have the sickest nation in the industrialized world. We have the sickest generation of children this nation has ever seen. They all admit, they concede all of that, but the guy that wants to actually investigate

what's doing it, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. And I sat there with my brother and I said, we are watching the party that we grew up in, the Democratic Party, seeding all of natural health and the investigation into how to make citizens healthy and look at what corporate interests have attacked the human species, if you will. We're watching that all being seeded over the Republican Party right now. This is history. I could not believe what I was seeing.

I mean, it's crazy. I see so many comments from people saying, and I think this is part of the issue is that notoriously the Republican Party was Always on the side of you know, big oil big corporations And so I see all these comments from people saying well, there's no way that the Republicans are gonna care about this There's no way they're gonna care about the environment. And so what do you say to people when they say that I was just in a meeting and I watched Glenn Rink, who is, I believe, on the board of water keepers, but a really big environmental activist his whole life, and the head of Heritage Foundation in a discussion on how to clean up water.

Thank God. I mean, I was like, I said, can we all just stop here for a moment and just look at what's happening? You know what I mean? We have an environment, one of the most profound environmental groups talking to Heritage Foundation, which is I think the most conservative think tank there is. And they're having a mutual conversation

about how can we clean up the water? Something amazing is happening. It's really unfortunate that the Democratic Party is setting it out. I don't understand. I don't understand, at least publicly, behind the scenes in the work that I'm doing with our non-profit, Maha Action, we all,

I will say there are Democrats that we're talking to, that very much want to be a part of a nonpartisan consortium that are worried about the fact that Monsanto right now is looking to have liability protection Just like vaccines so that they can poison you and get away with it and you'll never be able to sue them So there's some bipartisan support There's some Democrats, but they're so like they they literally hide from cameras when they're around us, which I'm just like, really like stopping the poisoning of the food supply is not a democratic principle to the point where you need to sort of secretly work with us on this.

I know. And I've been really bummed about this, actually. And it's why I kept bringing it up with you on this podcast, because I really wanted to hear your take on this, because I was living in LA for the last 10 years and I was largely a liberal, I would say, up until COVID and my eyes really opened during COVID. But I've been so bummed about this whole movement. I mean, Cory Booker, for example,

I mean, I looked up to him for years. I've been trying to get him on my podcast for years because he was in, you know, Common Ground, he was in Food Inc. He's in all these amazing films talking about all these issues that we need to go after. Same with Bernie Sanders. I looked up to Bernie Sanders for so long because he back then was talking about we need to go after GMOs and Monsanto.

And then Pharma, like the Pharma, we can't trust this company. It doesn't care about our health. It's all out for its bottom line. All of these things, right? Yeah. I'm sitting over of these things, right? Yeah, I'm sitting over here going, I don't understand, and you would think that like Bobby Kennedy's famous quote

of like, we need to get over the hate and come together, botching this, but come together for the sake of our children. Yeah, he said, we've got to love our children more than we hate each other. Yeah. It's a really profound line, I remember when he said it. It's so profound.

Yeah. And I don't understand how we can't all come together and build this alliance together because this is how we're going to move forward. I was kind of happy because I've been at this for years. I've been at this autism vaccine thing since about 2015. And they really, they took the, like, we pushed them so far into a corner that they ended up saying the argument was, we're just diagnosing it better. That's it.

It's genetic. It's always been here. We're just diagnosing it better. There's a great book by a guy named Mark Blacksell called Denial that's all about this. Very, like a great researcher. But let's just remember right now, let's just take California is now at 1 in 12.5 boys, which is insane. The national number that Robert Kennedy Jr. just announced was 1 in 31 children.

It's about 1 in 20 boys nationally. But we think it may be as high as California's. They're just doing better, you doing better research on it right now. And so to say that it's always been here, let's just say one in 20 boys. That means in Egyptian times, we should have Tourette's, Charcot. We still rely on their clinical writings of all the maladies they saw in Insane Asylums. I mean, that's what they did. They couldn't really cure anything, but they would visit Insane Asylums and just write

each strange anomaly, human experience that they could find in there, right? Not one of those guys, not one of those books has a description that we would say that's the description of autism, especially severe, with the hand flapping, the walking on toes, the stemming as they call it, the banging of the head, like those things in the severe autism, not a single description of that anywhere. I'll also say Leo Kanner, who was the person that first discovered autism and named this issue was in America.

He had like 12 children. This is all, I haven't really talked about this for a while, but like 10 to 12 kids he was studying that had this very unique set of issues. Psychologists and psychiatrists flew from around the world to see these kids because they had never heard of anything like it. If it was one in 20, why did they travel from around the world to look at autism in a hospital here in America? It obviously was not profound. from around the world to look at autism in a hospital here in America.

It obviously was not profound. And lastly, Bobby makes the best point there is, which is if autism's always been here, where are the autistic men my age? There should be one in 20, which means they should be filling old folks' homes right now, standing in corners of a room in diapers, unable to speak, stemming and having recurring motion disorders and the things that we know as severe autism. I would say find me one that's 70 years old.

And then how about a dozen? And like it should be thousands and thousands, if not tens of thousands of them, at the numbers you're saying has always been here. Now, every one of us knows this issue. We have a relative that has it or a neighbor that has it. It's everywhere. It is profoundly changed.

And so the fact, and I always say this, once you prove an incredible lie, once you prove the medical establishment, your doctor or Sanjay Gupta, once you prove, which I think I just did, that this is an incredible lie, now you have to think about all the things you believe coming from the mouth of these institutions. You have to put it on the chopping

block and say, if the lie about that, then what else are they lying about? Thank you. And this is what we've been trying to get the general public to understand for so long. But the media, everybody's protected because of what you said earlier, that is it 70% of ads are being paid for by the pharmaceutical companies? As soon as Robert Kennedy Jr. said, I am calling this an epidemic, like three weeks ago, autism is now an epidemic, these numbers we've got to investigate it.

And he was very clear, there's about 26 or 28% that are really suffering severe autism. It goes all the way, the spectrum goes to college students that are doing great and maybe are quirky, you know, they'll say, and then all of a sudden there's this massive campaign by pharma saying, you're insulting all of these beautiful autism children because you hate them, blah, blah, blah, like this whole,

that's a pharma driven message, which is we've probably caused this epidemic, but now we are also funding the Autism Is Beautiful movement. Oh, we shouldn't do anything about this. We should just love these kids, which we do. Of course we do. Bobby and I are passionate about this issue, but I'm especially passionate about those that won't ever go to college, won't ever be married, won't ever have a job, won't ever experience all

the dynamic beauty in life. And I want to point out something. As a part of that argument, this is my own perspective. I haven't really heard anyone else say this. But part of it, they said eugenics, that Bobby doesn't want autism, so he wants to like that they're saying it's eugenics, that we're going to erase autism from the planet.

Let me be perfectly clear, that is the mainstream perspective. They're not telling you that when all they do is look at genetics, which they haven't looked at vaccines, they haven't looked at pesticides, haven't looked at anything but genetics since about 2000. For 25 years, they've been trying to find that gene that causes autism. As I've said, no gene can cause an epidemic like this.

So it's been a ruse and a waste, colossal waste of millions and millions, if not billions of dollars. But let's be clear, why do they want to find that gene? Because they want to do the same thing with autism they did with Down syndrome, which is if they can find that gene, they can find it in utero and they will try to convince you you should abort. which is if they can find that gene, they can find it in utero, and they will try to convince you, you should abort. So if you really are worried about eugenics around autism, it should be the mainstream right now. It's not us. I want you to live forever. I'm trying to figure out how to,

how to make you healthier. We're talking to scientists and doctors that are actually reversing autism, helping some of these kids get into college because it's, you know, they're able to finally start speaking and communicating. But if you're going to bring eugenics into this, the eugenicists are your mainstream science. Has been what NIH has been up to, CDC has been up to. If they can find your gene, they can erase you from the planet. That is how they see this. And I challenge anyone to tell me differently. That is so amazing. I've actually never heard anybody say that. And that's spot on. I mean,

we're just trying to not poison people anymore because we largely believe that autism is being caused by This poisoning and onslaught of everything that we've talked about in this episode So if we can get rid of those poisons in our environment, maybe we can avoid autism altogether Which for those families, especially the ones that are really suffering. I mean, I I was just at the dr Phil's show recently for a maha Event that he did a special that he did, a special that he did, and there was a mom there that had a son who was non-verbal, 20 years old. She's never heard her son speak to her ever, totally non-verbal.

Those are the people that Bobby Kennedy is talking about that he wants to help. Yeah. Because can you imagine if that child could actually speak again and have a real conversation with his parents and go to school and live a normal life? That is what he's talking about that he wants to help. I just want to give a shout out on that issue, because I do care about these kids. There's an incredible, probably the biggest miracle in autism

that I've seen in the decade or so I've been on is spelling to communicate. I saw a video about that. It's so amazing. So anyone that might be watching that perhaps has a non-verbal child, I walk up into people in grocery stores now where I see the child has, you know, got the headset on and is just,

you know, I'm always walk, is your child verbal, you know, just not to, you know, and if they say no, I say look into spelling to communicate and there's great books about this now. I've done interviews on it, but essentially they've found that these non-verbal autistic children are fully educated in sight. Even if they're pounding their head against the wall, they actually have been observing and they, just very quickly, the thing is they use gross motor skills to teach them to spell. The idea being that autism somehow has hurt the fine motor skills that move a tongue or brain connection to a tongue or the ability to

write. But if you get into larger muscles and get them A, B, so they use the spelling board, and by doing that, they free up communication. And the people that created it said every autistic child is in there. And I've interviewed several that went from non, like they remain nonverbal, but they can suddenly start communicating. And these parents realized they thought maybe they're at a third grade level. They couldn't really tell

because they weren't communicating. Several stories within a year are doing calculus, going into college and are able to communicate like poetically. It's like awakenings. It's really mind blowing. So I just want to give that for anyone out there, check out Spelling to Communicate. These kids are trapped. And that's what's so sad. It's beautiful. These kids are trapped in a body with a fully developed mind. They're being treated as though they're, you know,

a kindergartner or something by people, and it's just because they can't communicate. That's what autism's done to them, you know? And so I don't think that that's beautiful. I think what's beautiful is allowing a child to communicate or making sure that they never have brain damage that removes their ability to experience what we all get to experience in this life. Yeah. You know how I learned about that spelling board was I watched a video that went super

viral. You've probably seen it where a mother sat down with her non-verbal child and she said, what do you think about RFK? And he's pointing on the thing and she's saying the letters and he said I think he I think RFK jr. Is correct about autism and I think he wants to help us free us from this prison of silence is what the kid said I mean I cry I'm gonna cry thinking about it now. It makes me super emotional. Oh And that's what we're trying to help for help those kids. Oh You know to give it perspective, because I mean, this is also triggering for people, and it shouldn't be,

but we discovered that children are going blind in Africa. And we realized they have no vitamin A in their diet. And so we looked at things we could put vitamin A in. Hilariously, MSG ended up being the most widely used product, more than salt. So we put vitamin A in MSG, and suddenly we don't have blindness now in Africa. Now are the people that discover that anti-blind? No.

Are we anti-blind people? If you could figure out what's doing this and cure it, does that make you anti-something? You care about these kids. And if they don't have to be, if this is environmental, but this is the problem. When the industry that's the industries that are causing the problem own your television set, which means they own your news anchors, you're just being riled up into a fight that goes against everything you would believe at your core if you're actually sat and listened and had a conversation like this.

Yeah. You know? Exactly. That's part of the problem too, is people aren't speaking to each other anymore. They're not listening. They're not having these conversations. It's like they're just seeing a headline and then they're just getting mad and then they're arguing with people online and nobody's actually hearing each other and meeting in the middle,

which is what we really need to be doing. Yes. Well, that's supposed to be how our system works in America. Our politics is now it's my way or the highway, whoever's in power, it's really terrible. It's supposed to be kind of these two extremes that whatever they can, you know, whatever they compromise to that lands them in the middle, that that's actually where our country's supposed to be run. Instead, it's just, it's like watching school children tug of war. It's just nothing's getting done. Economies crash.

Everything's a disaster area. It's crazy. But I'm so hopeful about all this. I have two more questions I wanted to ask you just in the essence of time. Just wanted to let you know that. So I'm curious because I think you speak really well to this and I am seeing some comments. I'm getting some concerns from, you know, let's say like the super old school maha moms that are, that got maybe into all this, they were awakened by the vaccines and

they're feeling disillusioned or like Bobby has forgotten about them or they're kind of scared about some of the remarks that Bobby is saying currently now that he's in the HHS. Can you maybe speak to that a little bit? Because I think you and I are on the same page with this and I think you speak to this very well. Well, I want to be clear. Once Bobby was confirmed, I started running Maha Action to work with the public and keep the movement going. And I'm going to keep suing the government. I don't care that Bobby's in it. We're going to keep suing.

And hopefully, they don't resist as much and just start handing us everything we need. But politics and government is very complicated. And I think what people have to recognize is, you know, Bobby is trying to strategize how to have lasting change. And it's something we discussed before he got in there. Well, you know, if this is ever possible, I think we've got to watch that as a movement that we're revenge oriented at the moment,

right? We want revenge. We want Tony Fauci in jail. I mean, I want that too. You know, I want these people to pay and you want to hurt, but that really isn't what's going to bring about a better future, right? We've got to think about how do we get it so that this whole country recognizes that it's a problem. Right now, let's say it's politically divided, although I think Donald Trump got the mandate he did, maybe even won because of the maha moms, and many of them are Democrats. I mean, a lot of liberals moved over on this health issue. I think the Democrats have committed suicide in a way until they wake up to this. But let's say there's two halves of this country.

If we want to make sure that our children are not forced vaccinated with products that are rushed onto the market in the future, I mean, this is only a four-year window right now that we're going to have this. You have to assume the next president that comes in may not carry any of the same values. And so what happens if Bobby just goes in and just,

let's just say he did what media said he was gonna do and just erases the vaccine program, which he doesn't even believe in. I mean, he has meant it when he said it, he's not anti-vaccine. I frankly am more anti-vaccine than he is. I just, because I never got one. I don't vaccinate my kids at all.

He vaccinated all of his kids. So there's varying degrees of where we're all going to be at this. But he can't just go in and start tossing vaccines because the media will say, this is insane. This is what we told you. He has a bias. He's coming in. You have to do the science. You have to have NIH and the institutions that do the science that you then show to the world. Say, here's our database. We're being totally transparent with you, have your scientists check our work, which

is how science is supposed to be done. You've got to be able to repeat a scientific experiment. And you and I both know that more than 50% of the peer-reviewed science in medical journals cannot be recreated. They can't do it. So it's false. It's bunk. So he has got to have science that not only gets done

correctly, but can stand up to, you know, all of the attack and can we reproduce the science. At that moment, then when you say, oh my God, the COVID vaccine in children is clearly more dangerous than the disease itself, which everyone with blood moving from their brains understands right now, but it hasn't been done by this NIH, the CDC, or FDA. And so our government doesn't usually, you know, look at foreign science or science done outside and then really make a determination. They say, that's a red flag. We are now recognizing it.

Now we're going to see if we can reproduce that science. And that's what he has to do in order to work the way our government, the way you want it to work, which is don't just believe a group of academics that maybe got funded by pharma or had some bias. You don't know. Now bring it into the government, which is supposed to be unbiased.

It hasn't been. Now finally just do that science. And then once he does that, then he can show the world and say, this is why we're pulling the COVID vaccine. Now I get it. We're all saying babies are dying every single day. Kids are trying to get into school. You know, this fall is gonna happen again

and we want it yesterday. Hepatitis B vaccine should not be given to day one of life except for a, you know, hepatitis B positive mom which is so rare, it's incredible. I mean, we want these changes right away but there's a step that has to happen. If Bobby does this right, at least this is our belief, Democrats, people that think they hate him,

I think they're coming his way on chemicals. I think most maha moms, even if they're, you know, closet maha moms will say, I'm gonna be kind of happy. I can buy things off the shelves and not have to read every label. Know that my government's protecting me. He's gonna start winning people over, and then you're gonna have to look at this vaccine

issue with new eyes and then decide, do I want to take it or not? And I think if he takes his time correctly and does this the right way, you have an organic, natural intuitive change in the hearts and minds of the people of our nation and the people of our world. And then when you make that change, it will last. Anything else will be a sand painting. Boo-yah, we got our way for four years, which is all we see in this government. Back and forth and back and forth. This pendulum, this, this, we're not going to get here again. We're not going to be in this moment again. And to rush it and just make it another pendulum moment would be really, really stupid. Yes.

Oh my god. I'm so glad I asked you this question, because that was, I feel like this is what everybody needs to hear. Because you're right, we need to get everybody on board. Yeah. And I get it. They're chomping at the bit, because they got here way sooner than most of society.

But we need to get all of our institutions on board. We need to get our science on board. We need to get all of us on board. And by the way, if you're frustrated with the kids that are dying right now, that's us. That's our job. Go out and tell everyone you know, don't take that COVID vaccine.

Leave California if you have to. I can't believe how many people are like, oh, I got to put my kid in school. No, you don't. No, you don't. There's no 20-foot wall around California. This is not Nazi Germany. There's no barbed wire there.

Go get a job in Texas, Arizona, you know, Utah, where there's not even fluoride in your water now. There's better places to live if that's where you're at. You know, use that as God telling you, I think I'm getting out of California. I shouldn't be here, maybe. I shouldn't be here. And there's people that say I'm staying in California

to fight the good fight, great. But if you vaccinate your child in order to fight that fight, man, I do not agree with that. You will not. And people, I think, honestly believe that my hands were tied. They'll say if my child was injured, what choice did I have? I have interviewed these parents. And if you think that you will let yourself off the hook for saying, I had to keep my job or, you know, whatever the case may be, I guarantee you, once it happens to

your child, you will live in regret for the rest of your life. I don't want that. I don't wish that on anyone. I'm just saying that is the observation of a journalist that's interviewed over a thousand parents of these injured children. And let me clean up one of the things. The mainstream media will tell you and doctors will tell you, oh, they're just blaming the vaccine because they need something to blame. I have never met a parent that jumped to the conclusion that it was vaccines. It's the last thing they wanted to be.

They want the doctors to tell them, it's your genes, there's nothing you could do about it. They want to be absolved of anything that caused this horrific experience in their child. And then as they vaccinate again and it gets worse, and then the second child comes along, they remember, oh, now I'm watching this one. This one's perfectly healthy. And then I give them a vaccine.

Oh my God, that one started getting sick. And then they're like, that's usually when it happens. It's usually on the second child, they go, whoa, oh my God, it is the vaccines. I just watched it when I was looking at it. And now they have to come to the terms with, this is a choice I made. This is something that I did

that I could have decided not to do. That is the hardest moment in every parent I have ever interviewed. It is the last thing they ever wanted to be. So when Sanjay Goop or anyone says, oh, they just want something to blame, that is the last thing they ever come to because then they're blaming themselves

and nobody is designed to blame themselves. Yeah, I mean, it's classic medical gaslighting. Yeah. Oh, it's so awful. That was amazing. I wanna ask you one last question just to kind of end on a positive note. What are some things- Yes, it's so awful. That was amazing. I want to ask you one last question just to kind of end on a positive note What are some things?

What are some things or maybe one or two things that you're really excited about the Maja's working on right now Well, let me just say it's totally exciting that after having you know Tried to get this information out as long as I can having a guy on the other side of the stage and Robert Kennedy, Jr I can, having a guy on the other side of the stage and Robert Kennedy Jr. fighting this fight the same way, getting ripped open for...he's even longer at it than I am, for nearly two decades, dragged through the mud, tarred and feathered on this issue. He could have walked away. He's one of the greatest environmentalists of our times, greatest environmental attorney. Democrats loved him.

They all but handed him the seat in the Senate in New York and he turned it down and handed it to Hillary Clinton. I think we can, it's probably one of the things I blame him the most for, but the point being, we took a guy that was so ridiculed in this space and somehow magically by the grace of God have put him in the most powerful health position in the world.

So that should just be hopeful forever. Anything's possible. I think we also, when I was in the Oval Office when that happened, he put his hand on the Bible, I just thought, my God, really, how did this happen? So there's immense hope right now. And look at the announcements that are coming out. Immediately Robert Kennedy, Jr. is putting focus on the Operation Stork Speed. So getting the heavy toxic metals out of our baby food and our formulas. I mean, how many times are we going to read these headlines? I know. I mean, for decades, like, oh my God, again, we found that they're toxic.

Why isn't our government doing something about it? So finally going to look at like baby foods, you've got him looking at fluoride, you see states that are removing fluoride from the water. This is huge for anyone watching that may still be clinging some idea that this is a really great idea. The multiple studies now dose dependent, the more fluoride in your diet of your child, the more IQ points they lose. The average was six IQ points being lost by children that come in contact with or drinking fluoridated water. That's a lot.

That's a lot. That's a lot. But, oh man, their teeth look great. I mean, come on. So dealing with that, you saw the autism numbers. You see Robert Kennedy Jr. finally announcing this is an epidemic. He's promising to do the studies to find out what's causing it by September. It's tall order, really praying for them there. That's Babe Ruth, the boy in the stands.

Okay, let's see how that goes. And then, of course, two weeks ago, Dr. Marty Macary and Bobby, everybody getting up and saying, we are taking all the petroleum-based dyes Marty Macarey and Bobby, everybody getting up and saying, we are taking all the petroleum based dyes out of the food supply. Again, decades hearing about it. Finally, someone's doing something about it. So at Maha Action, we're very excited about all those things. One of the things that I really like is we went and studied every bill that's currently in the legislative session right now across this country.

So if you go to MahaAction.com, you can see the country. Just click on your state and it pops up what we call the Maha bills, whether we think you should vote for it or against it. And then in that same thing, you can click on your representative phone number right there, put in a call and email. That really makes a difference. When Bobby was trying to get confirmed, even Cassidy, he didn't, he was on the fence, but he said, I have literally gotten tens of thousands of phone calls.

So you're obviously popular, Bobby. That was what Maha Action was doing behind the scenes. We're doing that on bills all across the country. And these state bills are critical. This is something that people have to understand. Most of your health legislation happens at the state level. Federal government has very little to do with how,

whether food supply being used in your school lunch program, that's actually on a state level. You can do something about that. So we want people engaged, and we're also gonna, what we're working on is building a tool. What I'm really excited about is not just helping people know what bills and what they can do about it, and when they need to go to a legislative session, show

up the Capitol because this is the day we're all going to do it together. We're also now working on a directory for all of the grassroots groups that are tracking farming bills, you know, pesticide bills, all of the different things that will be available. Not quite. We're working on it right now. So we're reaching out to every grassroots organization. Because one thing I want to make clear, Maha is a movement. It's the people's movement. You know, I'm just running, you know, a website, if you will, called Maha Action, and I wanted to direct people to all the people already doing the work. We're not going to brand it Maha. I don't need to, you know, create a grassroots group in every state. They're already there, whether it's Children's Health Defense has a group there, or, you know, Tex a grassroots group in every state. They're already there, whether it's Children's Health Defense has a group there,

or, you know, Texans for Vaccine Choice, or whatever their names are. We're gonna have a database so that you can click on your state and say, what are the different groups? Some of them are conservative, some of them are liberal, some are more aligned with you than others. We want that information, therefore you can say,

I wanna join that group. And that's what has to happen right now. Maha is the most powerful voting block, grassroots voting block, maybe I've ever seen in my lifetime. If you're going to challenge it, we'd have to compare like the Tea Party and that movement, which I was still a liberal

when that was going on. So I don't have a clear inside of it, but I know this, Utah is passing incredible laws. West Virginia took the food dyes out of their food before Bobby even said it. They also are removing sugar from the SNAP programs and bad foods so that those that are on, you know, taking food assistance programs, that they get good food that they, which we know feeds the brain and feeds the soul and makes them much more capable of, you know, changing their life and having their dreams. So state by state, the

power is in the people's hands and that power is being asserted and Maha action is at the front of that. And then ultimately, when we get through all of that and you can find every grassroots group, then I want to start building a directory for all of those nutritionists, all of the fitness experts, all of the functional medicine doctors that aren't afraid to call something a vaccine injury, that are working on modalities to change that. So many injured people, their doctors are still gaslighting and said, oh, it couldn't be the vaccine. Well, then how are they gonna heal you?

If they're not willing to admit what the injury is, so I want a database where you can find everybody that's not afraid to admit it, everybody that's gonna help you with that, and then those doctors that are gonna say, you know what, let's not make a drug your first choice, let's look at your lifestyle. So I think Maha, in my mind, is all of us, and it's the future of health, getting away from sick care, but really getting into delivering healthcare.

And so I want to just use this lens, you know, I think a recent poll that said like 65% of Americans have heard of Maha and they see it in a positive light. I want to take that attention and put it on all of the great thought leaders and all the great influencers and all the great practitioners that are already there. It's time that we get out of our silos. It's time to make this the national movement. We're just going gonna keep growing. And we are bringing incredible pressure

on the medical system. It's not Bobby by himself. It's not Dr. Marty Macri. They wouldn't be able to do anything if the pressure of the attention of the American consumer wasn't on this right now. The maha moms are ruling supreme. They are in charge on this right now. The Maha moms are ruling supreme. They are in charge of America right now.

So let's use that and make this really truly the healthiest nation in the world and the beacon of light and hope we've always wanted to be for the world. I mean, this is amazing. Like this is where we need to end because yeah, that was incredible. Thank you so much for everything that you're doing.

Please let everybody know where they can find you, Maha Action, Hire Highwire, all that. Yeah, so go to MahaAction.com. You can get involved there. We're right now going through a huge upgrade. Over the next few months, that website is going to be able to do more and more to help you find your community. We want to help find community groups all over, get action steps on what people can

do around them to really make a difference and to make a difference in their own health. Also, check out thehighwire.com. That's my other non-profit informed consent action network and I'm still doing that show every Thursday. And definitely check out the Maha podcast that I'm doing. Amazing interviews there and we're just now launching the Maha Substack where it'll be really a place where I want you to be one of the contributors, but all the great writers and influencers, I just want those voices like somewhere where new eyes are going, what's this maha? And they see all the amazing people that are part of it.

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