Realfoodology - “Vaccine Safety Studies Don’t Exist” - The Myth of Safe & Effective | Del Bigtree

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

275: Del Bigtree is an Emmy Award-winning producer and a leading voice in the anti-vax movement as the founder of ICAN (Informed Consent Action Network). His latest documentary, An Inconvenient Study, reveals the shocking truth about unpublished research from Henry Ford Health - and why a study like this has never been done before. I’ve been telling everyone to watch this film - what Del discovered is eye-opening, and more people (especially new parents) need to hear this right now.  Topics Discussed: → Are vaccines actually “safe and effective”? → Why are there no long-term safety studies on childhood vaccines? → What did the Henry Ford Health vaccine study reveal - and why wasn’t it published? → How are cancer drugs tested more thoroughly than childhood vaccines? → Why does Del Bigtree say being pro-vaccine is actually anti-science? Sponsored By: → BIOptimizers | For 15% off go to https://www.bioptimizers.com/realfoodology and use promo code REALFOODOLOGY. But if you are listening to this on the week from Nov 23 to Dec 3, you can get 25% off plus gifts with purchase on orders above $250. → Timeline | Visit https://www.timeline.com/realfoodology for 10% off your order of Mitopure! → Manukora | Go to https://www.manukora.com/realfoodology to get $25 off the Starter Kit, which comes with an MGO 850+ Manuka Honey jar, 5 honey travel sticks, a wooden spoon, and a guidebook! → Our Place | Our Place is having their biggest sale of the year right now! Go to https://www.fromourplace.com to save up to 35% sitewide now through December 2nd. Shop the Our Place Black Friday Sale right now, no code needed. → Everyday Dose | Get 45% off your first subscription order of 30-servings of Coffee+. You’ll also receive a starter kit with over $100 in free gifts by going to https://www.everydaydose.com/realfoodology or entering REALFOODOLOGY at checkout.  → Paleo Valley | Save at 15% at https://www.paleovalley.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY. → Vimergy | New customers can save 20% off their first order! Visit https://www.vimergy.com and use the code REALFOODOLOGY at checkout. Timestamps:  → 00:00:00 - Introduction  → 00:03:52 - The Myth of ‘Safe & Effective’ Vaccines  → 00:09:49 - Vaccine Safety Studies Don’t Exist  → 00:28:25 - Henry Ford Health Study   → 00:37:45 - Vaccines + Autism  → 00:50:42 - Rushing Vaccines to Market → 00:55:08 - HPV (Gardasil) Vaccine → 01:00:03 - Why Henry Ford Health Study Wasn’t Published → 01:05:16 - Making Anti-Vax Mainstream  → 01:10:07 - Impacts on Newborns    → 01:16:31 - Vaccine Debate & Next Steps    Show Links: → Watch: An Inconvenient Study  Check Out: → Instagram  Check Out Courtney:  →  LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE →  Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! →  @realfoodology →  www.realfoodology.com →  My Immune Supplement by 2x4 →  Air Dr Air Purifier →  AquaTru Water Filter →  EWG Tap Water Database Produced By: Drake Peterson

On today's episode of the Real Foodology podcast, what I think this film really shows is they have no science. And when you do science, all you see is we have made a catastrophic error with these products of all the things that we should have done blindly. This was not it. Welcome back to the Real Foodology podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Swan, and today I am joined by Del Bigtree, Emmy Award-winning journalist and producer of the groundbreaking new documentary and inconvenient study. The film investigates an unpublished vaccinated versus unvaccinated study

conducted by the Henry Ford Health System and the shocking reasons it was never released. We dive into how safe and effective became the unquestioned mantra of modern medicine, the lack of true placebo-controlled vaccine studies and what this means for the rise in chronic illness among children today. This conversation is a powerful call

for scientific transparency, informed consent, and honest debate in public health. I really hope that you love this episode. Please go and watch the film afterwards too. It's free. It will blow your mind, send it to everyone you know, especially your friends that have kids, parents. Everybody needs to see this film.

I'm so grateful to Dell for coming on today and also for sharing the information that he has because it's pretty mind-blowing. So as always, if you could rate and review the podcast, give a five-star review. It means so much to me, and it really, really does help the show. Thank you so much for that.

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So make sure you go to timeline.com slash real foodology. That's t-I-M-E-L-I-N-E dot com slash real foodology. Well, Del, we have to get directly into this. I'm so excited to have you on. Thank you so much for coming back on. I recently just watched your new documentary, which is what we're going to be talking about today. And I immediately texted you. I was like, I have to get you back on this podcast because this, what you discovered and revealed in the documentary is mind-blowing.

And I just also want to say, I want to honor you. I'm so grateful that you're doing this work. I know that you didn't mean maybe necessarily to get into it, and I know how hard it is to reveal all of this because there's a lot of pushback and there's a lot of people that want to discredit you and ruin your reputation, but you really are doing amazing work and you were helping so many parents navigate a really, really hard situation right now. Well, first of all, I just want to thank you for having me. I was just saying to you before we started, you know, for the last nearly 10 years now, I've been on this issue of bringing transparency to this vaccine conversation. But there was a group of people who's hard to get to, right? Young mothers and that were about to make this decision with their children. And so you've been, you know, you and several other podcasts,

Alex Clark, has just been amazing at reaching an audience that is the most important audience there is. And so it took a risk for you to do that just as it is for any of us to get into this conversation. This is a conversation that has been absolutely controlled by the most powerful industry in the world. the pharmaceutical industry. But I'll say it hasn't been, I mean, if you're a journalist or, you know, a reporter of any kind, obviously your dream is to break a story, to get a story where no one else had covered it and you get to show the world what you found. And so it's always been exciting for me to be in this.

It's never felt like, oh, my God, I can't believe I have to do this or why me. I actually, from the beginning, I've been very excited about it. Because as I've been saying, it didn't take long to start realizing, oh, my God, they have been committing fraud for a century on this. They have no science. They've got no cards. And I liken it to a poker game, you know, where I don't have to be the greatest poker player in the world.

If I sit down, I know what a royal flush is. I know I have the best hand that there is. So I don't care if you're Phil Ivy or some world-renowned poker player or, you know, the prince of Saudi Arabia, you can push all the money in, you can intimidate, you can yell, but in the end, at some point, we're all going to go like this, and I know the hand we've got. And I think that's what's happening right now. They have no science, and they're really, really in trouble now. And all the science is on the side of the people have been questioning these vaccines. Yeah, I mean, so this is what's so mind-blowing about it is that we keep hearing over and over again safe and effective. effective, it's safe and effective, it's safe and effective. But what we're starting to realize is they don't even actually have the data or the science to back it up. So where did they come up with this safe and effective narrative? And how do they continue to parrot this without actually have anything to back it up with? Well, I mean, I would say you can go all the way back to the

beginning of this experiment called vaccination, all the way back to Edward Jenner, who creates the first smallpox vaccine, recognizing milkmaids that are milking cows, aren't getting smallpox, sees the lesions of cowpox that the cows are getting and says, wait a minute, maybe because they're coming in contact with cows, cowpox is protecting them from smallpox. By the way, they're kind of genius. I'm not against the concept. I see where the concept is,

but then they start scraping that pus and cutting people open and slapping. This is how it starts, right? Vaccine is vaca, meaning cow. So that's where it comes from is this moment in smallpox. So smallpox, that vaccine started smallpox outbreaks in areas that didn't have it. They had side effects. From the very beginning, polio vaccine caused cancer, had a simian retrovirus slip into it that caused cancer for millions and millions of people. Also cause polio.

The original polio vaccine can cause polio. The polio that's circulated in the world right now is vaccine-derived polio, the majority of it. So it can start polio outbreaks. All of these are side effects. So I think 100 or whatever years ago when this all started, what they said is, look, we have problems with this idea. It's a brilliant idea. We're really excited about it, but it has side effects.

And the thing about a vaccine is it's a preventative. So it's only going to work if we can get everybody to take it. So we've got to convince everybody. It's perfectly safe, very effective. It's going to save the world. But, you know, while we behind closed doors work out the problems. But if we talk about the problems, this is it. If we tell people, it could kill you, we tell people it could give you polio,

we tell people it could start a smallpox outbreak, then we're not going to get to that herd immunity we're looking for where everyone's taking it. So let's put a big, happy, shiny face on this. We'll just say it's perfectly safe and effective. And then behind closed doors in our universities, we'll start trying to work on the problems. I think that's what happened. It was great. The only problem is the ones that were working, you know, behind closed doors weren't telling the world, and they weren't talking about it in universities. And the university students started growing up to the same mantra, safe and effective, safe and effective, and weren't told these older scientists that are dying off now have been trying to work out the side effects of these things and can't.

So what happened was the real religion of vaccines, the real clergy died. They died trying to make them safer and never told anyone else, we don't. didn't do it. We couldn't achieve it. Wow. That's what I think we are. And so we're in a century of safe and effective as a slogan, but not as a scientific statement because they've never been able to prove they're safe and haven't even attempted to, which is what is at the heart of this film. Yeah. Okay. So this is, I think, probably the most mind-blowing thing. Now, I knew about this only because I started digging into this whole conversation a long time ago. But for many people for watching it for the first time, in fact, my dad, I told you about this before we started recording.

My dad has been one of the hardest people in my life to convince of this and other stuff, too, that we relied to about, you know, in the medical complex. And he watched this film and he texted me afterwards and he said, oh, my God. He's like, I'm going to send this to everyone I know. Everybody needs to know this. That is some really damning evidence. And one of the things that you revealed was that we have never actually done real safety studies on this. Can you explain what that actually means? So at the heart of this study, for those that haven't seen it, the film's called an inconvenience study.

Back in 2016, I was traveling the country with the first documentary that put me in the center of this. As I said, the last time I was here, I was a producer on the CBS talks for the doctors. Science and Medicines My Jam, like that's a report on that. But then I started an investigation of vaccines because there was a whistleblower inside the CDC that said they were committing scientific fraud and the vaccine safety. I made a documentary about that called Vaxed, which a lot of people say ignited the medical freedom movement. It was a worldwide sensation. And it threw me in the center of this conversation and I wanted to study all the vaccines. That film was just about an MMR vaccine. But while I was traveling, I traveled for a whole year in a bus, the Vax bus, and people were signing the names of

their injured children on the side of like a driving memorial. I was pulling up through Michigan And just a couple days before, someone in this medical freedom movement reach out to me and said, look, I know the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health, Dr. Marcuservos. Henry Ford is one of our leading, you know, clinical investigation research institutes. Cleveland Clinic is up there. Henry Ford. They do some of the most important science studies that we see.

And I said, sure, I'll sit down with the head of infectious disease. That sounds fascinating. And so we went to dinner. And I'll just put it in his words. He sat down with me and he said, look, I just, I just want you to know I'm pro-vaccine. I'm taking this dinner because this friend of mine is a very close friend and they really wanted me to meet you. And he said, so I watched your film, faxed, and it's very compelling.

He says, but, you know, you've been saying something. I looked into you. You've been saying something as you're traveling this country that I found very disturbing. you keep saying that they've never done the proper science to say that vaccines are safe. And he said, so I sit on the biggest databases in the world. Obviously, you know, I went and looked into it so that I could show you all of the research. And he said, and I am shocked that I have to sit across from you and tell you you're right. That's how it started.

The head of infectious disease at Henry Ford says, I have to tell you, you're right. We have never done any safety studies on any of the childhood vaccines. And he said to me, now, let's be clear. That doesn't mean they're not safe. It just means we can't actually say they're safe. Because we haven't proven it. Because we've never proven it. And I said, that's all I've been saying.

I haven't, he's like, no, no, you've been very careful. I've been watching you. You've been very careful about that. So what does that mean? What it means is every pharmaceutical product is supposed to go through a double-blind placebo-based trial. We might have done this the last time on your show, but let's say it again. Yeah, we learned about this in high school. If you're going to test if a pharmaceutical product is safe, you do a placebo study.

And so what that means is let's say there's a thousand people in the study. 500 of them get the product, the test product, and then 500 get a placebo, meaning the definition has no effect on the human body. Yes, like a sugar pill or a salient injection. If it's a pill, it's a sugar pill, if it's a sugar pill, if it's an injection, it's a salient injection. And then with drugs, we followed both of those groups for like five, oftentimes 10 years these studies go on. Cancer drugs take five, 10 years. We'll deny a cancer patient the opportunity to try a trial drug. This is changing right to use.

Donald Trump was big on his first time he was into. I think a cancer patient that's dying should be allowed to try a drug if they want. I agree at that point, yeah. But we held them back. We said, no, no, no. Safety is so important that you're going to have to wait until after. after this trial is over. They're like, I'm dying of cancer. I won't live to the end of that trial. I'm willing to take the risk, and we wouldn't let them take the risk. So that's how

important safety is supposed to be in a pharmaceutical product. We have never, ever done that for any of the childhood vaccines. We never gave one group, 500 people, the vaccine, and then a saline injection to the other 500 kids and said, let's track you guys for the next, I would say at least two years, but probably five years would be ideal or 10, but, you know, at least two to five years and never been done. And so what, and I know this because I started a nonprofit after making vax. I started suing the government. We got an attorney, Aaron Siri, to sue the government in the United States and say, show us the placebo trials for each of the vaccines. They've never been able to produce it. They don't exist.

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body, had eczema ever since, or my child's had lupus ever since, or my child's never been the same. They can't speak. They have autism, whatever, but there's just millions of people with complaints about side effects from these products. And you'll say, look, you know, how do we know the vaccine's not causing that? Because they'll say, hey, we don't believe the vaccine's causing it. We don't have any studies that show that the vaccine caused it. Yeah, you know. never did any studies at all. Exactly. You did zero studies.

You don't have anything to prove either way. Right. And if you watch, if you watch the news, this is what they say. We've looked at it and we don't have any science that shows the, you know, correlation or causation of that issue in the vaccine. They've never done the science. So it's lying. Now when you ask them, well, do the science now, do that placebo-based trial now, grab a group of people and let's see if these are real side effects to the vaccine. They'll say, I'm sorry, now the products on the market, it's unethical to do that study.

And why do they say it's unethical? Because think Tuskegee experiment. Yeah. I mean, not to like you go down too far down a rabbit hole. Tuscigi is African Americans that they, in some cases, gave these men syphilis to see what syphilis does in a population all while they had antibiotics. They had penicillin. Penicillin cures, you know, syphilis. But then that's why our government's paid out hundreds of millions of dollars on this.

It's a horrific moment in science where we used African American population, especially men, some women pregnant, to just study them. They were poor. And we let them die of syphilis instead of giving them a product that already existed just to do the study. So that's how they make this unethical statement. We can protect you from measles because we have a vaccine. So to do a study where the placebo group doesn't get that vaccine, is putting you at undue risk, therefore it's unethical.

Does that make sense? Yeah. That's how they're arguing this. And so in the end then, since they never did a safety trial, which is the only way to establish safety is a placebo-based trial, and now they won't do a placebo-based trial because it's unethical, all you're left with is what's called a retrospective study, which is to look back at people that have already made the decisions. We didn't make you not vaccinate.

We didn't put you in a placebo group and deny you access to the measles vaccine, but we grabbed these families who just didn't vaccinate their kids, and we're going to compare their health outcomes of the unvaccinated to the vaccinated kids. And that's what this study is. In that dinner with Dr. Marcus Zervos, who admitted they'd never done a placebo trial, he said, look, I still believe in vaccines. I don't know what I can do for you. I said, well, would you ever do a study at Henry Ford comparing vaccinated children

to completely unvaccinated children. And ask just what are the health outcomes? Who has more cancer? Who has more diabetes? Who has more ADHD? Who has more lupus? Who has more Tourette's? Who has more eczema?

Who has more psoriasis? All of these things you see the commercials on, all these autoimmune diseases, who has more autism? I mean, everything that we're seeing explode right now. Exploding. All of these chronic diseases that are exploding. It's exploding.

But you know what? I'd love to show you a video, I think to finally end this placebo conversation because Robert Kennedy Jr., still, he'll still say, I mean, I was his director of communications, so I made sure when I gave, you know, we're like making sure you're telling the truth. But even now as HHS secretary, he will say they've never done a placebo-based trial on any of the childhood vaccines prior to licensure. And then experts will come on CNN and say, that is categorically untrue. There's a database that proves otherwise. and they've been pointing to this guy, Jake Scott. Jake Scott was brought in on all the major.

He's like, I have a database of 600 studies. Placeba-based trials that proved that Robert Kennedy Jr.'s lying. Well, we had him under oath in a hearing about this study. It's the center of our film and in-communist study, the Henry Ford study, and he made that statement. Can I, let me show you. Yes, I want to see it, yeah. We documented 661 trials using inert placebo controls. We confirmed that all 16 antigens routinely recommended for children,

have been studied in placebo-controlled trials. The claim that childhood vaccines haven't been tested against placebo's is demonstrably false. But when you actually drill down into those 661 trials, let me give you the breakdown of them, okay? 567 of these trials were not a routine injected vaccine for a disease on the CDC childhood schedule. So totally irrelevant to the safety of routine injected childhood vaccines.

The remaining 94 studies, 70 of them, did not involve healthy children. Again, completely irrelevant to the safety of childhood vaccines. Of the remaining 24, 21 did not involve a U.S. licensed vaccine. That leaves us with three studies, three, that were claimed to have an inert control that were relied upon to license a routine injected childhood vaccine out of this entire list of 6161. And these actually helped really highlight the problem we have in terms of assessing safety. One was a trial for the chickenpox vaccine, the varicella vaccine.

It was only a few hundred people, so it was underpowered anyway. But Dr. Scott says it's got an inert control, but actually it was an injection of neomycin, an antibiotic. That's not inert. The second one was Gardasil 4 trial, which had thousands and thousands of girls and women in the control group. Almost all of them got an aluminum adjuvant injection. And then there were a few hundred, only a few hundred, that were labeled as a inert control, but they weren't. They got everything that's in the vial except for the antigens and the alum, which included el-histidine,

Polysorbidate, sodium borate, yeast protein, not inert. And then the third one was a Gardasil 9 trial, which finally, by the way, did have a saline injection. The few hundred that got the placebo, but they only got it if they first got three doses of Gardasil four. So again, not an actual inert control group. The result is there's zero trials, zero, which were relied upon in this list of 60-61, to license a routine injected vaccine on the CDC schedule that included a placebo, as well as zero trials of a vaccine used as a control to license a routine injection

vaccine on the CDC schedule. Yeah, I'd be very surprised if you went through all 661 trials. We haven't even conducted the full analysis yet. But once... I think Mr. Siri kind of has. You should join our team. I'm... Yeah.

You've got a pretty cracked team doing that. Yeah. If you let me make the decisions, I'll join your team. I love Ron Johnson so much. Okay, so he just admitted that they have not actually combed through all those studies. Right. I mean, is that amazing? So let's just break that down for a second.

This is the leading scientist in the world that everyone's just relied upon. He's going to finally prove this statement that placebo trials haven't been done wrong. Demonstrably false. And then our lawyer, Aaron Siri, who represents informed consent action network, my nonprofit. He's one of the reasons that, you know, we were in that hearing because of this study at the center of our film. but Jake Scott gets up there, comes in knowing he's here for one reason to prove this statement wrong. And then he says, I got 6161 studies. And then Aaron Siri lays out all the studies, you know, over like, I think it's like, was it out of 661, like 590 have nothing to do with our childhood schedule, totally relevant.

You know, I'm not going to go back. We just watched it. Yeah. And then at the end, when Aaron finally lays out that zero of these studies are actual placebo-based trials that reference our childhood vaccine program, So you came to win this argument, you came to win this debate, and then your final statement is, I'm surprised, I doubt you really look through all those studies because we haven't even looked through them. That is exactly what I've dealt with for 10 years.

This is where the science is at. They actually think they're just going to win this debate on bravado and, you know. And trust us, bro. And trust us, just faith, have faith in us. I was like, this isn't a religion. This is science. And by the way, what school of debate did you ever think you'd win, your argument being, no way you looked into that because the evidence I brought, I haven't even looked at it.

I mean, it's just, it's an embarrassment for all of science. But it happens to be the issue that we're in. There are no studies. No one can give you a placebo-based trial. So now as parents with kids, we've got to ask ourselves, you know, how much faith do I have? you know and because that's all this is now this is a faith-based religion i'm starting to say this that if you are pro-vaccine you're anti-science because science would have demanded they do the placebo trials science would demand that they do retrospective studies like this one at henry ford

you know testing kids that got all the vaccines versus those that got none and show us that the vaccinated are healthier that is the heart of this film that's what henry four did and when they set out to prove the anti-vaxxas wrong. Pro-vaccine establishment, you know, Henry Ford, head of infectious disease told me so many times on pro-vaccine Dell. When he finally did this study, it ends up showing that the vaccinated are so much sicker than the unvaccinated. It's really, it's really shocking. Now, I want to be clear, we've received a cease and desest letter from Henry Ford. They're accusing us of defamation. So I want their perspective to be known. This is a scientific debate.

Yeah. They are saying that in our film, you know, I let Henry, you know, I let Mark Zervos do the talking, but our film allows him to say, which he does with hidden cameras in the room, it's a good study. The only reason I didn't publish it is because I'm afraid of losing my job. Henry Ford wants the world to believe the only reason it wasn't published is it's bad data. It's their data.

I don't know why it's bad, but it's bad data. And it's not, the study doesn't meet the science. scientific rigors that they expect from Henry Ford. And all I would say is, I have your head of infectious disease who did the study. He also ran your Moderna trials. You didn't seem to have a problem with them. You've never had a problem with his science when he's done other things. But now suddenly you get results that are so bad for the vaccine program, my opinion is this.

Had the results been reversed and it was the unvaccinated that were 2.5 times more likely to develop chronic disease in their life compared to the vaccinated, then I think you would have seen this study. And it goes on ultimately the vaccinated in it, 2.5 times more likely have chronic disease. Within 10 years, 57% of children vaccinated will have chronic disease. 57%. I really love coffee. It's just part of my morning ritual and it's something that I personally don't want to give up.

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is when they did this retrospective study is what it's called, right? So what they did is looking back retrospectively. And I don't know if we actually defined that. Maybe you did, but just again, people listening. So basically what that means is since they haven't done the studies in real time, they went back and looked at all the data and compared unvaccinated to the vaccinated. Maybe you did already say that. Yeah. So just to put it into terms so people understand it, prospective means looking forward, meaning I'm going to block a placebo group from getting the vaccine and then have those that get it and we're going to track them. That's the best, that's the old standard of science.

That's the best signs you can do. Retrospective is we've got to find two groups of people that have already made their choices so that we haven't affected them or put them. mental harm's way on either side. And that's what this study is. It's about 18,500 kids-ish that are in the study, 2,000 of which are unvaccinated. So you're comparing about 16,000 kids that are vaccinated to 2,000 kids that are unvaccinated. And I want to be clear, it's not across the board. If there's five here and five here, we don't say, see, it's the same issue. Clearly this is a larger group. What is the percentage inside of that group? What's the percentage inside of that group that have asthma? What is the percentage inside of this group? And then compare those

percentages. And that's what we're looking at six times the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders amongst the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated. It's just, it's off the charts. Well, and what's so maddening is if it had been the opposite and they had found, oh, yeah, vaccines really are helping and they're saving lives and kids have less chronic disease, they would have been, I mean, this would have been all over mainstream media news. This would have been headlines. They would have been celebrating this. But now that it does not fit their narrative, they want to hide it. And what makes me so mad about that is that what you guys found was not just, oh, you know, there's a little bit here and there. The amount of cases of chronic diseases

that you found in children that were vaccinated versus unvaccinated. Also, the cases that you, in, okay, so there was no cases of ADHD found brain function issues, diabetes, ticks, behavioral intellectual disabilities or other psychological disabilities in the unvaccinated, zero. Which was a problem. Here's why. We can't even get a statistic on it. It doesn't, there's no way to do math if one of the groups has a zero. So those don't even, those aren't even a part of the study. They just show these little infinity symbols meaning couldn't determine. And so those are all all issues that didn't even appear in this study because like since there was zero in the unvaccinated. We have no way of coming up with a ratio or a rate. So we're just leaving it

blank. So those didn't even enter in this day. Where it did was where you have hundreds and almost none, but you need at least one case to do any math whatsoever. And in multiple columns, like you said, like ADHD, zero cases amongst the 2000 unvaccinated kids. I mean, that was wild. What I wanted to ask you about, because I was actually a little bit unclear about this. So there was also something about autism. You asked him, does this mean that we're wrong about autism? Can you explain that more? So, I mean, obviously the work that I've done starts with the question of autism.

That's why I made vaxed. It's a huge part of it. And when I've been demanding a vax versus blood, can we get someone to do a vax versus unvaccin study? That's where we would see if autism is being caused by vaccines. In this study, for some reason, there is not enough autism. in both groups to really come to a conclusion on that. Okay, because there was one in the unvaccinated, right? There's only one in the unvaccinated, and there's only 23 in the vaccinated group.

Now, we, you know, in the film, we're like, how deep do we want to go into this? Because there's a lot to look at there. For instance, the fact that there's only 23 in the vaccinated is far less out of 16,000 kids. if you just think this was a study of kids that were born 2000 to 2016, so 16 years, that's who they were looking at. At that time period, your autism rates, roughly one in 150 in there, maybe one in 250, depending on how conservative you want to be. We're at 1 in 34 right now, just to be clear, it's been skyrocketing since that time.

But even if you took those numbers, there should have been at least like 150 cases in the vaccinated. And obviously, we don't know if unvaccinated infected, but they're probably would be more there, and that would have been a natural number. Why they're not there, Peter McCullough, I asked him about this, and he said there's what he thinks is happening is prior to 2013. So at 2013, they changed the rules on the diagnostic criteria. All of these, the way the study is done is every ailment you have as a number, right? When you go into a hospital, you have a cold, it's like, you know, whatever the number,

280 and then, you know, everything has a number. And so all these numbers are how we come to these conclusions in these studies. So prior to 2013, so for 13 years of this study, you were not allowed to diagnose someone as having both ADHD and autism. And so they couldn't get those two diagnoses. You had to choose one. So 13 of the 16 years of this study, they were limited. And he's what he believes, and you see the numbers much larger than it should be compared to autism and the ADHD numbers. So he says likely what's happened in this study is at least that group of kids were all diagnosed as ADHD in that time period for two reasons. Usually in the initial diagnosis, he said doctors don't want to have this really difficult conversation and they're not quite sure yet. And there's drugs available.

There's money to be made. And so there's a lot of reasons why let's just call it ADHD. And not autism. And so he believes you could probably, you know, if they really cared in this study, all you would do is call all those ADHD, you know, children, those families and say, did they ever end up getting diagnosed with autism? And then you would probably fill the gap and we could actually study it. So that's, you know, a major part of the problem.

Andy Wakefield looked at it too. He weighed in, Dr. Andrew Wakefield. And he said also most of these kids were about five years old was the extent it was a young, younger study. In autism, you tend to really get the bulk of autism between four and eight years old. So he says a lot of them haven't been diagnosed yet. So in this group, the children are too young and it looks like they're being put in a different category. You'd have to sort of unpack that. And so that makes a lot of things. You know, that's where that's at. It's unfortunate. I mean, look, there's so many parents. We would all hope, boy, that would have the big answer.

But, I mean, luckily this week, Peter McCullough has just put out a groundbreaking study of, I think it's 126 studies that he said it's unequivocal that vaccines are definitely one of the leading causes of autism. This whole conversation is changing as we speak. But you know what? I have another video if you want to watch it because when it comes to this autism discussion, we keep hearing this mountains of evidence. Autism is the one thing we've studied. You know, and, you know, and I love this statement I always see with Sanjay Gupta. We don't know what's causing autism, but we know it's not vaccines, which is like the craziest statement I've ever heard. But my nonprofit, because we sue all the time, we've had some of the greatest scientists in the world under oath.

So I have an under oath, Catherine Edwards. She's one of the leading scientists that studies vaccines. She's one of four authors on a book called Plotkin on vaccines, the Bible. of vaccines. She's the second biggest person in the world on vaccines, short of Plotkin himself. And so we had her on the stand, and she was there to prove that the vaccines had not caused, in this case, Yates Hazlehurst, this kid who had gotten autism, that there's no way those vaccines caused autism. Let me show you what she has to admit when she's under oath. This is my...

Ooh, I can't wait to see this. In the expert disclosures for this case, it asserts that among other things, you will testify that, quote, the issue of whether vaccines cause autism has been thoroughly researched and rejected, end quote. It's your testimony that MMR vaccine cannot cause autism. That's correct. It's your testimony that head B vaccine cannot cause autism. That's correct. It's your testimony that iPod cannot cause autism. Yes. It's your testimony that HIP vaccine cannot cause autism. Yes. It's your testimony that Varicella vaccine cannot cause autism. Yes. It's your testimony that Prevnar vaccine cannot cause autism. Yes.

It's your testament that D-TAP vaccine cannot cause autism? Yes. And do you have a study that supports that D-TAP doesn't cause autism? I have, I do not have a study that D-TAP caused autism, so I don't have either. Do you have any study one way or another of whether I-Pol causes autism? No, I do not, sir. Do you have any study one way or another of whether Enderx B causes autism? I do not have any evidence that it causes autism nor that it does not.

And what about hid titers vaccine? Any evidence one way or another whether it causes autism? And what about Previnar vaccine? Any evidence one way or another? No, sir. And how about various cellal vaccines? Let me just finish. Are there any studies one way or another that's report whether it does or doesn't cause autism?

Part of MMR, but not as Baricella by itself. No, sir. No studies that say it does or no studies that say it doesn't. Right. There have been studies that have found an association between hepatitis B vaccine and autism, correct? Not studies that I feel are credible. Okay. Which study are you referring to when you say that?

Well, why don't you show me this study and then I'll see whether I agree with it. I mean, that's insane. And she said that under oath. Let's just make that very clear. So under oath, it's during COVID, which is why she's sitting in her home. So these cases are happening via, you know, online. This is her deposition. And let's just unpack that we hear there's mountains of evidence.

she is the second highest rated scientist in the world on vaccines. She's shown up to this court case as with the evidence, with the evidence that Sanjay Gupta only talks about the evidence. She's the one holding it. And then under oath, when you list all the vaccines that Yates Hazard has, so you have science that shows that D-TAP doesn't cause autism. And she says, no, not that it does or that it doesn't. And so, and you go through it, you just heard it.

So there it is. That's mic drop. This conversation's over as of that. I mean, I don't, again, like Jake Scott in this hearing, I don't know what you thought was going to happen. Did you think you were going to show up into a court case under oath? And we were all just going to assume like we have for the last hundred years that you must be telling the truth. Finally, our attorney again, that's Aaron, serious, same guy that's in the hearing, is going, where's your evidence? Do you have evidence of what you're stating? No. And it's so interesting. This is, it just shows. you, this is how they've been able to get around the conversation for so long, is what they say is they say, well, we don't have any evidence to prove it either. Right. And so then everybody goes, oh, okay, well, we can't prove it scientifically, but then they can't, they can't, they can't, they can't, exactly. So it's like either, it's just gaslighting you. So they never, the only way, by the way, you could have causation say that this vaccine causes this issue is you needed to do a double-pline study. You needed over the course of a five-year study to say this many

kids that got the vaccine had, you know, autism compared to this many that got the placebo, and that's how we know the vaccine causes autism. You cannot get the causation without that study, and they've skipped that study. And then they don't do any studies after that because it'd be unethical. And then that's the game. Well, we don't have studies either way that show either way. And so we're just, we assume, we assume it's not being caused by the vaccine. And that's all this is. Again, now it's just a religion because it has no basis in science. And lastly, is, you know, what they'll say is we have 50 documented years of the safety of vaccines. We don't need to do those studies.

They've been proven safe by how long we're using them. And then I'll go, excuse me, we have the sickest kids we've ever seen in this country. 54% of them have chronic disease. This study shows 57% by the time they're 10 years old will now have a lifelong chronic disease or neurological disorder or autoimmune disease, which is up from 12% in the 1980s. So 12% to over 54%, one in two kids now is sick, sicker than any other kid in any other nation in the world, sicker than any generation we've ever had here. And they'll say, we don't have the science to say the vaccines is causing us.

I don't even care about that. What I'm pointing to is you're using their health as the proof that your product is safe and they're sick. Exactly. Right? So you're saying, yeah, that we have a long-term study. The 50 years has shown it. Yeah, the 50 years has shown

the greatest decline in human health that's ever been recorded. It's great. And then autism is going up. Right. But then they tell us, oh, no, that's just because we've gotten better at diagnostics. The most ridiculous.

We wouldn't know if kids were nonverbal, if they were stemming, if they were hitting their head against the wall. Like, that argument just makes me so mad. Like, do they think we're that stupid? I think they, they, they, they, they, they, they, used to believe we're that stupid. Now I don't know what they're going to do.

But let's be clear on that. We're now at 1 in 12.5 boys are being diagnosed with autism in California. Those are the highest rates we've ever seen. And again, pointing out, that's a 4-year-old study. So what's it going to be when they get to be 8 years old? As I said, 4 to 8 is where you see the major. It's probably going to go above 1 in 10, which is just so incredibly shocking. And so that means if it's always,

been here. Let's go back. I don't see any hieroglyphics and Egyptian, you know, temples of autistic people. We see no discussion of it anywhere in science. And, you know, we don't see Freud, Charcot, Tourettes. These are all doctors that went into insane asylums and drew up, you know, some of the most graphic depictions of mental illness that we still use today, not a single description of autism. And so this is a ridiculous statement. It didn't, really, it didn't exist until about the 1970s is where we start seeing the first cases. But to Bobby's point,

if it has always been here, where is the 12.5 men in the elderly, old folks' homes right now that are in the corner stemming or the ones that are severe that have diapers, have been nonverbal their whole lives? Where are they? Yeah, they don't exist.

And I would say, and that's using reason to have this argument. Now, any doctor that just made that statement to you. Anyone you watch on the TV that makes that statement, it's always been here. We're just diagnosing it better. I just gave you the simplest way you can prove that's ridiculous. Now you've got to ask yourself, oh my God, they can't be that stupid. Or they're either stupid or they're lying to me. But why would I trust a single other word out of these people's mouths now? Exactly. I know. This is the problem is that we're starting to realize

the veil is being lifted and we're starting to realize all the things that we've been lied to about all of this stuff. What I don't understand is, okay, so they have, never done a double-blind placebo study, how did they get away with that in the beginning? Is it just because, is it similar to kind of what we did with COVID where it was like, oh my God, this is an emergency, people are dying, we just need to like roll this out. Is that kind of what happened back when we started doing vaccinations in the beginning? And then we just started saying, oh, yeah, we've done the studies, we've done the studies. And then it just kept getting repeated.

Yeah, I think that that's exactly what happened. If you think about, like we said, smallpox, very scary disease, by the way. I don't want to undermine, you know, smallpox is ravaging, you know, know, many parts of the world. If you had a product, I mean, and again, it's like we could die from this thing. We'll try anything. And so the vaccine program, they just start trying it. First, just slapping pus from cows into your wounds in your arm.

And then they're, you know, making really rough vaccines. And some people are getting smallpox from the vaccine. But they're willing to take the risk because they're in a crisis. Then they use that same sort of intensity around polio. You know, polio, oh, my God, people are getting paralyzed. We've got to get a vaccine. we got to do, you know, and so that gets rushed on the market. Who wants to wait for a five-year placebo-based trial when polio's around?

But the problem is chicken pox wasn't an emergency. Oh, we had chicken pox parties when I... You know what I was having chicken pox. No one is, you know, but they got away with it because there'd been a precedent set. Oh, these just get rushed on the market and we just, we skip the placebo trial because of the emergency, and they treated every illness after that as though it's in the same situation. It's in an emergency, but there was measles. Frankly, measles was not an emergency.

Measles has, I mean, I always want to say this. People, because we have been so programmed to hearing that measles is deadly. Yeah. You know, just type in Google Brady Bunch measles episode. I mean, it's really important. I mean, I know that people like, well, it's a television show, but the zeit guy, like the thing that, what were we thinking when we had measles? Were we afraid of it then?

No, the entire family in Brady Bunch gets the measles. And it's a laugh track all the way to the point where the last, I think, laugh is dad got it. You know, the whole kids are all like, you know, I think the one kid, they're playing board games. They've all ended up at home. And he's like, boy, if you have to get a disease, you sure can't beat the measles. Lafract, because you didn't die. Exactly. Well, it was a reflection of what was going on in society then.

Right. They did not. I was just at a, I was just giving a talk about a week ago. And it just happened to be a fairly older audience. I could tell about 1,200 people, probably, 60 or 70% were, you know, above the age of 60. And I just said, you know, I've never done this. Well, everyone in the room that had measles, like wild measles, a child police stand up. And I mean, it was like the majority of the room stood up. And I was like, how did you survive?

And they burst out laughing. They burst out laughing. Right. And so to that point, it wasn't deadly. Before there was ever a vaccine, the death rate of measles about one in 500,000 in America. So we've allowed the pharmaceutical industry to control our television. It does. It's 60% of the advertising, which is 60% in the funding. So your sitcoms have disappeared. We don't laugh at it now. Now it's deadly.

Oh, my God. Deadly measles outbreak. Be afraid, be very afraid. But to that point, they rushed the measles vaccine. We didn't need to rush that. We could have done placebo-based trials. You know, we could have done placebo-based trials on mumps. We could have done placebo-based trials on chicken pox.

But they've made it all like it's a smallpox outbreak. And so they've skipped all the proper safety science. And now what we see is the autoimmune disease crisis of all times. And that's what I think we've done. I think what we've done, if you look at it is we've traded trivial childhood illnesses that lasted like five days. We've traded that for permanent lifelong disease. I could have had a rash for five days of the measles, been uncomfortable. but instead I'm going to have plaques psoriasis or eczema my entire life over my neck and my ears

and all of my body. You see the horrible commercials. People that suffer this. It's horrible. Horrible. You know, and that's the lightest side of it. What if autism? What if, you know, having no ability to speak, you know, repetitive motion disorders and living

in a diaper the rest of your life, you traded that for a five-day rash? I know. I just keep thinking about that. the story of that boy Colton that you showed in the, in the documentary. I actually, I'd seen him on Instagram because there was a video circulating. And what happened to that boy is so unbelievably heartbreaking. I mean, I can't. It makes me emotional. I mean, he was paralyzed from the neck down, from the jaw down, actually. Colton was a 13-year-old, healthy, strong boy. He loved anything that has to do with an adrenaline rush. Motorcross was his passion.

The doctor says, hey, he's the age that you should get the HPV vaccine. I said, okay. So he was administered the vaccine. That evening, when he sat up to take a drink of water, he just flopped back. And his head just hit the pillow and I went, Coulton, are you going paralyzed? They immediately took him down to primary children's hospital and saw like original diagnosis was transverse myelitis.

When the doctor came out and asked, me has he been sick I said no he hasn't been sick he had the HPV vaccine on February 1st and they went oh well we'll be reporting that to Vars it does suck like not being able to play sports anymore I have the set on sideline just watch everybody got to do your research like you don't you can't just trust a doctor anymore do your own ways to find out what's best for you. One of the really weird things about Gardasil, I've no idea if it's a scientific basis,

but is that all the parents said my daughter died after a cardosal vaccine or my child's been many paralysis. Paralysis is a huge deal. Also, sterility. Girls have, they have menopause at like 14 years old right after the vaccine. Oh my God, after Gardosso? Yeah, it's terrible. It's really, really terrible. But the paralysis one, every parent, I almost want to see every parent, and I heard this

more than a dozen times as I travel the country, my child was a star athlete prior to being paralyzed by this vaccine. And I started thinking, I mean, I heard all the other injuries, died after flu, blah, blah, blah. I didn't hear this star athlete thing. But with Gardasil, it was always star athlete now paralyzed. And in this case, Colton, you know, a major motorcycle racer, very active athlete. I honestly would love to see a study to see if there's something about blood flow in athletes that maybe that vaccine is worse if you have a, I mean, something about being athletic and that vaccine is destroying teenagers' lives. I don't know.

I'm just totally anecdotal. Yeah. But it was really weird. And it's horrific because you see, I literally would go into their rooms and see the trophies all over the world. wall and now they're in bed and they cannot move. Oh my God. The Gardasil one is interesting to me. I can't believe they still have it on the market. It's unbelievable. Because the amount of side effects that they've been able to put back on the Gardasil vaccine, because didn't they have a big class class action lawsuit against them too? There's, I mean, I don't know whether there's one CHD, I think is still in that

case. They're finally getting discovery. So it hasn't been finished yet. We're now finally one of the first times ever getting discovery into what they knew was wrong with that vaccine. But I'll say that has a massive load of aluminum. And that aluminum has been, you know, what do they call it, where it's, it's, it has, it's protected from investigation because it's a priority, like it's owned, it's patented by the makers. So we can't even see what's in that aluminum that is affecting these people. And, you know, it goes after the, cervix and all sorts of ovary issues, and it is just a really terrible vaccine. And guess what?

Ever since its introduction, zero reduction in, you know, cervical cancer, which was the entire point. I mean, none. None. It's been totally ineffective. So, and, you know, and then when we give it to boys, why is a boy even need it? It's crazy. Exactly.

Why are we giving it to boys? Just because it's so funny. I'm saying because it's more like a cult ritual now than it has anything to do. It's not science. I've actually gotten a lot of messages over the last couple of years about that one specifically, which I found really interesting, of parents writing me and saying, my doctor's telling me that my kid, my son, my daughter needs this vaccine. And I never, I never tell anyone that comes to me, I never say like, oh, you should or shouldn't do this. I just try to lead them in the right direction. I'm like, oh, I'm concerned about that one.

Go check this out, X, Y, and Z. But I just, I was shocked to hear that their doctors are still pushing it. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. Okay. So Marcus Zervis, who is the head of the infectious disease at Henry Ford Health Clinic. So he agreed to do this retrospective study. Yeah. And then he was so scared of the results that he didn't actually want to release it. That's my opinion. And it's also the statement that he makes. I'm saying that because there's obviously the potential for a pending lawsuit against me by Henry Ford Health. And I did not stop the movie. I have no intention of stopping the movie or the study. but, you know, they're allowed to have their opinion if they want to bring a case. I'll just say, you know, I'll have to defend why I have the opinion I do.

I have the opinion that the reason this study was not published was number one because of all of the doctors and scientists I've watched attempt to do this study that lost their license. And I want to make that clear. The most important part of this study in this film is that it doesn't stand alone. It's not an anomaly. If this was the only study of its kind that had ever been done, you have to take that with some like, okay, it's showing a signal, but it's a retrospective study. There's always limitations in that study. We couldn't perfectly control for how many African Americans or how many birth defects or those types of things.

There's some issues that in a retrospective study, it's not as clean as doing that prospective studies we've described if it was all alone. The problem is that this is at least the fifth study. And I think that in Peter McCullough, I'm now reading, he's saying there's 12 studies comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated. But in every study, so far that's ever been done, it's the same signal. The signal meaning we see a problem. And that is that the vaccinated are coming out far sicker than the unvaccinated. And there is not a study anywhere in the world that has compared these two groups of people and found that the vaccinated are the ones that are healthier and the unvaccinated are.

sicker. That's astounding. That's astounding since this product was designed to make us healthier than we already were. And every study is showing the opposite. And so what I'm saying in the film is this is now what we call reproducible science in a world where there's funding behind studies and many of the journals of medicine are saying, look, you can't trust just because we published it. That is true. Harvard has tested it. The Cochran collaboration, has testimony, studies, and they're saying less than 50% of the studies that are peer-reviewed can be reproduced, meaning it's baloney. It's not science.

If a different group can't come up with the same results, then it's not accurate. So in this case, you know, we have four or five studies that I talk about in the film that I know of, one done by Anthony Mawson at the University of Mississippi, looking at homeschool parents, he pulled, all these mothers. let me hear your health records and showed higher rates of autism, higher rates of neurodevelopmental disorders, you know, all of the autoimmune disease higher in the vaccinated. Then you have Paul Thomas.

He had a huge practice, pediatrician looked at, you know, I think he had nearly 10,000 kids he could look at. They were born into his practice. And then some I gave none, no vaccines, others I gave some, and he compared them. Same results. Sicker was. was in the vaccinated.

But Henry Ford, when Marcus Zervos decides to do this, he's not coming from Paul Thomas. He's not a doctor that has ever not given vaccines to kids. Paul Thomas, you could say he has a bias. And that's what science has said. His license was taken away, by the way. They went after his license as soon as he published these findings from his own practice. I'm talking about Paul Thomas. And so with Dr. Zervos, he's going to prove all these other studies wrong.

It's why he did it. We said, prove us wrong. Yeah. The vaccines are so great. You clearly believe in them. You recognize there's never been a placebo trial, so you can ethically do this study. So show us how great vaccines are. And that's what Henry Ford and Marcus Zervos set out to do.

You cannot beat a scientific study that is done by your opposition setting out to prove you wrong. When they prove you right, now you really have a problem. Yeah. Now you really have a problem. And had it been the only one, okay, we could question it. And we should. But now that it's saying the same thing we see every time. So my call to action for everyone in the world and any parent out there, personally,

I wouldn't touch a single vaccine now until either the CDC or NHS in England or Kaiser Permanente or any major medical institution until another major medical institution or government can produce a study that multiple scientists can all look at and say that compared vaccinated and unvaccinated and the vaccinated are healthier until you see that study, I don't know why you would move forward with this product. It's anti-science. There is no science. There's no safety studies.

And every study that's being done retrospectively is showing that they're dangerous and they're making kids sick. I mean, what we need right now is we need really courageous scientists and we need really courageous journalists to actually get this information out. And I really wonder what it's going to take to get our medical, our mainstream medical complex, if you want to call it, to actually start revealing this and doing these studies. What do you think it's going to take? You would have to remove their funding, which is their connection to the pharmaceutical industry. I mean, the pharmaceutical industry is making, they made over $100 billion on COVID vaccine. The number two and three products at most of these pharmaceutical companies now are vaccines. And I mean, I just interviewed Sherry Tenpenny recently and she believes they know that the vaccines are causing all the autoimmune disease that you have to take drugs the rest of your life to protect yourself, like to deal with.

And so you're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in products to deal with the side effects that the vaccines cause. I don't tend to go that far that they're doing it on purpose. I like to say, I think it's just accidental that they're making billions of dollars off of products that deal with the first product they gave you when you're a kid. Only because I just don't have evidence of that level of malice. Everything points to that, but I take journalism another level. I've got to be able to prove that that is the motivation. But one thing is for sure, these autoimmune and neurological disorders that you are having to give your kids drugs for, even ADHD, what happens if that was caused by the first part of the pharmaceutical industry sold you? I think that's what we're up against.

We're talking about. And by the way, an industry that is so much money, they're the number one lobby in America. They buy more politicians in your government than any other industry, even more than oil and gas. They spend twice as much money buying politicians as oil and gas does. And we fight wars in the Middle East for that money. What is Farmer getting? They're trying to hold on to this narrative. I think it's over.

I think it's falling apart. I think people are too smart. And now I think that they really have a problem. I don't care of New York Times, Washington, Poe, whatever. You want to keep like pushing this narrative. It's over. Every mom, it's ringing true. There's something wrong with this.

And why is it all you'll say is they're wrong? that study is wrong, but you can't show me a study of your own. Yeah. You can't show me a placebo study. There, it's, it's, this is really shifting very fast right now. Well, it's why all these mainstream media outlets are dying. I mean, they're literally dying. People don't believe them anymore. It's so funny when these articles come out now, Washington Post, New York Times, everyone laughs about it. Like, I don't even know if they realize that, but the majority of the population is laughing at the headlines that they're making now. Because it's just like, do, do they really think that we're that stupid? Do they really? think that we're not noticing what's going on and that we're not paying attention to what's happening to our children and how we're sicker than ever. I mean, it's just, you can't ignore it anymore as the problem. That was what was so interesting about making this film compared to having made Vaxed, you know, and it was one of the things like, how many videos should we have of the types of injuries? We were going to have a section of the movie. This study was finished

in 2020. They didn't publish it in 2020. From 2020 to 2025, how many kids would have been saved. How many kids wouldn't have had a neurological, you know, neurodevelopmental disorder or an autoimmune disease? And we thought about having that section. We didn't have a lot of time to make the movie, but I just kept thinking, in Vaxed, I had to show all these videos before and after these kids that were injured and had autism. Because autism still was rare. Maybe it was one in 50 when we made that movie. Now it's one in 30, but it's still one and 30. You know, it's still a rain man story. Yeah. This is not a rain man. story. This is more than half of our kids. One in two kids is suffering from these diseases that

this study is showing us being caused by vaccines. So I said to my team, I don't think we have to show a lot of before and afters. I don't think we have to prove this point because our audience more than half and probably 75 percent because you got two kids, you know, now the odds are even increased. Odds are one of your kids is having these issues that are being described in the study. And so I don't need to describe to you what it's like to live with eczema. I don't need to describe you what it's like to live with a gastrointestinal issue or, you know, all of these things were ADHD or speech delays because it is running rampant. It's touching everyone. It's touching everyone.

You're going to know, the only thing you're going to ask is, no, no, no, don't describe the disease. We have it. We have it. Our family. Show me what the evidence is that you actually know what caused it. that's all this film is about now. I know. Man, it's so, I wish that we had documentation of what happened with my brother.

But it's really interesting. I told you in the beginning that my dad watched that film. So when I was younger, so basically my brother was born perfectly healthy. In fact, they were doing the paperwork essentially to, like, release my mom that day from the hospital. And one of the nurses told my mom, we're just going to give him some routine shots. Now, my mom is now asking, she doesn't know, what shots he got. But after that, his fever spiked. He ended up in an incubator for three weeks. After that he could never hold up his head. He could never walk. He could never talk.

The only thing that he was there was that he had eye movement. And we could tell that he was in there in the sense that when I would talk to him or something, you could tell that he like knew who I was. But that was the extent of his like existence. And he ended up ultimately passing away when he was 11. And I remember as a kid, my mom told me this. She said, I just. I remember she literally like whispered it to me because all the doctors told her, oh, there's no way it could be this. You know, everyone, my parents flew him to all over the country, different neurological specialists, everyone. No one could ever give them a definitive answer, but she whispered to me one time she goes, Courtney, he got those shots and he was never the same. And so as a very young kid, I grew up with that mentality and that notion of, wow, you know, maybe something that we're doing here with these pharmaceutical drugs that we're injecting newborns with is doing something.

And after that film, when we called my dad, my parents both said, because my mom has since, it's really interesting to see because she said that to me. And then now, I think she's kind of in a little bit of this denial about it. But when they watched that film, they said, you know, we've really been thinking back about your brother and exactly what shots he got and everything. Because all those stories that you told in the film is a very similar story of what happened to my brother. And odds are, if that hospital, like any other hospital, what they definitely go is a hepatitis B vaccine.

Yeah. One of the dumbest, most pointless vaccines of all times. Yes. This is going to be the first vaccine I'm going to watch that thing. Well, COVID just went to shared decision making under Robert Kennedy Jr. The advisory committee on immunization practices ASIP at CDC, Dr. Malone's been very outspoken. They're looking very closely at hepatitis B. I think you're going to see that go to shared decision making, which means it's your choice.

You shouldn't have it mandated on you. You're going to start watching these changes under Robert Kennedy. Junior. He's taking his time. He's making sure that all sides, scientists on all sides are looking at the evidence. We'd all like it to happen quicker. But I would just say, get out of that hospital right now. Take a lawyer with you when you're giving birth and you have to. I can't tell you how many parents like, I didn't even sign off on the vaccines, but they took my baby away and then they came back. Oh, God, that's my biggest fear. I told my husband, I was like, I don't even want to give birth in a hospital because my fear is that they're just going to take the baby in another room and just

shoot them up and we won't even know it has happened we've brought lawsuits our nonprofits brought lawsuits and so far those lawsuits lose the judges are saying even if you wrote my child is to get no vaccines the hospital gives them anyway we haven't found a case yet the case hasn't won yet that says that was your right they went against your wishes and you have an ability to sue there's just I mean there's just so much of a religious belief around these things like well we're just and look at the other way is a mistake. What's the big deal? What's the big deal is probably, you know, what I would argue happened to your brother, which is 100% really, really unfortunate. Oh, I mean, it was right after, and his fever spiked and nobody could ever, he was born perfectly

healthy. There was no warning signs. They were in the hospital for like three days. And then, oh, conveniently after he got a shot, like what? Well, but think about how crazy this is. You just said your mom, your dad, they took your brother all over to all these experts. Did any of those experts ever asked, did your kid get a vaccine? No. No. No. How is that not? How is that not a part of the discussion, right? I mean, this is what I say is so crazy. I always, I mean, this is where I'm not a doctor or a scientist, right? I'm just a journalist. I just use common sense, right? And if we're in common sense, I always say to people, if you wake up in the morning and you've got it coming out of both sides, you clearly have food poisoning. What's the first question

You ask yourself. What did I eat? What I ate last night, right? If your babies walking and talking and they're doing perfectly fine, you know, nurse said they're really healthy, we're just going to take them in, and then suddenly they're fevering, they're screaming, they can't breathe, and they're never the same. Why is it not? What did we do to that child while they were healthy?

You know, it's crazy. And right now we just reported this on this on the high wire. There's now a SIDS case that's one in vaccine court that proved that the brain swelling event that killed their baby five hours after receiving 10 vaccines at 11 weeks. Ten vaccines at the same time in a baby this big. It's crazy. I mean, we are nuts. This is absurd. But it finally was proven since we've, I believe SIDS is a vaccine death. There's hundreds of them every single year. In one of the vaccine. Yeah, it used to. I think they, I think even that one's been removed, but I think you're going to see that change. But again, Florida, in Florida now,

they're looking to pass a law that says any SIDS case, in that case, the coroner, the doctor, whoever reports SIDS has got to report the last vaccines that were given so that we can have it in a database and start saying how close to vaccination this lineup. Is it shocking that that hasn't been a part of the reporting? I mean, certainly what do they eat? What else did they do? What happened in this child's life that suddenly they, it's sudden infant death. Like, that's a scientific statement. It's the dumbest statement there is.

They spontaneously combusted into death. And we have no explanation. And we're going to do no research. And by the way, if you even dare to look at vaccines, we're going to admonish you and call you crazy. And really? Because I see right here in the vaccine insert, it says encephalitis is a side effect of this. vaccine. That's brain swelling. Brain swelling can kill you in any other circumstances. Why is it that it wouldn't kill a baby? I mean, it's right there. And I was like, it couldn't possibly be.

And this is the level of denial, the lack of science. This is denial of science has gone on too long. It's why I'm saying, if you're pro vaccine, you are anti-science. Yeah. Because what they're saying is a religion. Have faith. And if you question us, you're a heretic and you should be, you know, you should have your license pulled. It is insane. It's crazy. It's like the witch. It's like witch trials.

Well, I also just find it so funny that vaccines are the only pharmaceutical drug that we do not recognize has side effects. God forbid that we admit that a pharmaceutical intervention that you inject into your body, that we say that it might have some side effects. But we're crazy for saying that. I know. It's mind-blowing. I said that to Bobby recently when I had done. dinner with him because I was watching the last hearing where Bernie Sanders is just ripping into him. I said, Bobby, why don't you just, I can never stop being director of

communications for that guy. I was like, Bobby, why do you just say to Bernie? Bernie, what's going on here, man? We are totally aligned. You have spent your life saying that the pharmaceutical industry is filled with liars and thieves that are just out to make money and you're against how we push drugs on kids and all the ADD and the medication over. We are totally aligned until they just change the word to vaccines. And now all of a sudden, Bernie is like, can't question it. There are a bunch of angels that are making it. It absolutely couldn't possibly have side effects.

There's no way they're doing it for the money. Like, Bernie, like, drug, vaccine. I just have to change the word. And you are like out to lunch and now we're not buds and now we're not fighting on the same cause. It's crazy. It really is crazy. It's crazy. And the fact that so many people have fallen for it is really crazy to me, too.

that more and more people are waking up by the day. I've been having more conversations about vaccines than I ever have in my entire life this year. And like I said, I woke up about this a long time ago because of my brother. But I also learned when was that the 90s that if you talked about them, that you would have the Jenny McCarthy effect

where you would just be destroyed. So I just went like this for like 20 years. And now we can finally talk about it. And it's so crazy because people that I never, ever thought would ever come talk to me about. it. People are starting to write me messages about it. Hey, can you send me, you know, X, Y, and Z that you were talking about or like, you know, it's just, it's, we're in a really cool time, and I'm very, very excited that it's all coming out because it is, it is a long time coming. I want to just to address

what you're saying. Let's just look at, of all the products in the world, you would say, that would just obviously be so safe, we should never even need to test it. I mean, that's what they're saying with vaccines, right? And one of the things I say to, when I talk to, you know, senators or, you know, I would say, you know, would you ever give penicillin, just mandate penicillin for everyone that gets an infection in your state? They'll go, no. I was like, why? Well, because some people are allergic to it. I was like, okay, great. I was like, so we're agreed that a pharmaceutical product can cause an allergic reaction. Are you under some belief that vaccines don't have any element inside of them can cause an allergic reaction? Well, I don't

know. I hadn't thought about it. So let me take a step further. If I filled a stadium full of people. I couldn't find a piece of food everyone could eat here that someone's not going to have allergic reaction. So everything has allergic reactions. So just the statement safe and effective is insane to begin with. But let's look at this product, shall we? Of all the things we would say is safe, I just interviewed Gavin DeBacker, who wrote just written a great book on the, I forget what it's called right now, but about vaccine injury. But he, in his interview, he said, he says it in the book. This stuff is like, it's like Macbath, right? The witches around the cauldron is like, I have newt and toe of frog, you know, hair of bat and tongue of dog, you know.

And you're like, wow, God, that's crazy. They just about describe what's in a vaccine. Yeah. We have DNA of dead babies in MMR and Veracella. That is a fact. It's that we grow the virus on the cell lines of dead babies. And I have a video I can show We don't have time now of Stanley Plach

and the leading godfather admitting to not two abortions but 76 aborted babies that they used in science to develop the product by which they make vaccines on and they chopped up the tongues of the little babies

born there were three months gestation age and eyes and ears and toes and use that to try and figure out a substrate to grow the virus on monkey kidney cells hamsters, worms And then add in Mercury, the second most toxic substance on Earth finally has been outlawed from vaccines just now by Robert Kennedy Jr.

As though, and you've had Paul Offent saying this is a safe form of mercury. It's like saying this is a safe form of, you know, of radiation, you know, of lead. No, it's safe lead. It's safe lead. And Mercury, by the way, mercury is so much more toxic than lead. Yes. You know what I mean? And aluminum. And we're injecting it in the bloodstream.

Polysorbate 80, formaldehyde. I mean, this is the biggest witch's brew you've ever seen. So you better, this better go through some wild safety testing to say that our bodies are designed to handle that. And yet, as we've proven now, an inconvenient study, what I think this film really shows is they have no science. And when you do science, all you see is we have made a catastrophic error with these products of all the things that we should have done blindly. this was not it. I think you're going to see this entire conversation really starting to change in a fast way. And thank God. I mean, Bobby can't do it alone. We, the people, have got to demand it. I mean, if we, the people, just don't believe it. And then Bobby tries to do this work at HHS that he needs to do.

I mean, nothing in my film is lost on Bobby. We've been staring at the same science. Yeah. When he keeps saying, he's unqualified, he's been winning lawsuits against chemical companies based on science. He's been protecting our waterways based on science, our error based on science. You know, he wins against scientists that work for the companies because he knows their science better than they do. And he can prove the jury, this stuff is killing us. What better person to have at HHS. Exactly. I mean, he's a hero.

He's a true hero. And the people that are hating on him now will eventually be able to look back and know and see that. And I was going to say, you know, for all the parents, like you said, I mean, all we need to say, start doing is just we all say we're not doing this anymore, you know? I mean, if every child in California, if the parents just say, you know, we're not doing this anymore, the schools are not going to be able to force them to because they're not going to have any kids in their schools, you know? So we need to all just band together and say, no more. I think about that with COVID. You know, people would say, you know, with COVID that, you know, I'm going to lose my job.

I said, are you talking to everyone else you work with? I work in a big company. It's like, you should start talking to everyone you work with. Because if we look at the national average, at least 30% of people are not getting the vaccine at all. 50% don't want to get it. So if you go and start talking instead of being quiet and hidden by yourself, there's 30% of you in your business right now are all hiding in your own cubicles. If you find out each other exists, then go to your boss and say, hey, 30% of the companies all decided we're going to walk out the door if you force us to get this vaccine. That'll shut that company down. And by the way, a lot of people did do that. And those companies said, all right, mercy, we give up. We're not going to force vaccinate you.

We have to do that as a nation now, just like you said. How many people really want to be giving their kids 72 untested vaccines filled with aborted field DNA and hamsters and mercury and mercury and aluminum and all the thing? I mean, when I was going to say, it's so crazy, so we're injecting mercury, but then pregnant women can't even eat tuna because it's too high in mercury. It's unbelievable. Crazy. Yeah. Well, we're going to have to wrap this up, but I just wanted to say, thank you so much for coming on and talking about this. I mean, this is so mind-blowing. And I'm so grateful that this information is coming out because parents are more eager and hungry for this than ever. Everybody's looking for answers. And they're looking for,

yes, something to stand on, essentially, when they try to go up to their school board or just simply their families when they're saying, we're not doing this anymore. And this is a great example of the reason why we are all saying no to this now. And we want to protect our children. and we want to protect them from autism, the rising rates of chronic disease. And again, let's be very clear, you say this in the film, too. You're like, you're not saying we know definitively that this is what's causing them, but we are saying that we don't have the science to prove which way or another, and it's looking like this way, and we need to actually do the studies

in order to really make sure that this is what's happening. That's it's why an inconvenience study, just go to an inconvenient study.com, the movie's for free. Share it with everyone you know. this all I care about my nonprofit is funded and made this happen make your own opinion I'm not trying to you know the film tries to be you know one of the things I really love is people say about it I didn't feel like it was beating me over the head I think it's why it worked for your father it really just lays out the evidence as we found it in many ways it's like my last seven years of investigation in under 90 minutes a very short powerful film I really believe everyone should watch it and share it I'd like to hear I think we're now past we're well past 25 million people watching it on away to 100 million. I'd love to hear billions of people saw it because I think this is the most important conversation of our lifetime. We've made a tragic error. We are killing off our species. We're making our kids sick. We're destroying our fertility.

And if at the heart of it was a product, our government was making us do, our schools were making us do, we have to stand up together very loudly and say, we're not going to take it anymore. No more. All right. Everyone go watch the film. is incredible. Thank you so much for coming on. This was awesome. Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for listening to The Real Foodology podcast. This is a Wellness Loud production produced by Drake Peterson and mixed by Mike Fry. The theme song is by Georgie. You can watch the full video version of this podcast inside the Spotify app or on YouTube. As always, you can leave us a voicemail by clicking the link in our bio. And if you like this episode, please rate and review

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