Realfoodology - What’s 15x More Effective Than Capsules & Gummies? With Dr. Mallory Blair

Episode Date: May 11, 2022

93: On this episode I speak with Dr. Mallory Blair, founder of 2x4 Nutrition all about liposomal supplements and why they are more effective and bio available to the body. We also talk all about the supplement I am releasing with them, Real Defense! To pre-order now: https://2x4.com/products/2x4-real-defense-preorder Check Out Dr. Mallory: https://2x4.com/pages/dr_mallory_blair https://2x4.com/ Check Out Courtney: Courtney's Instagram: @realfoodology www.realfoodology.com Air Dr Air Purifier AquaTru Water Filter EWG Tap Water Database Further Listening Are Your Probiotics Arriving Alive? It's Normal to Be Health

On today's episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. I don't think taking a year to not be anemic anymore is a supplement working. Liposomal just makes it really, really work and right away. Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of The Real Foodology Podcast. I'm your host, Courtney Swan. Today's episode is really interesting. We dive into the world of liposomal supplements. If you're an avid listener of this podcast, you know that I am releasing a liposomal supplement with a company

called 2x4 Nutrition. And I actually have the founder of 2x4 on the podcast today. If you haven't heard about the supplement that I'm releasing yet, we dive more into the actual episode. And it's so cool because I get to talk to the founder all about this supplement that I'm releasing yet. We dive more into the actual episode and it's so cool because I get to talk to the founder all about this supplement that I created with her team. But just to give you a little bit more of a background, so it's a liposomal supplement. If you don't know what that means, listen to the episode because you're going to hear from Dr. Mallory exactly what that means as far as a supplement goes. And what it is, is a deep immune supporting supplement. After everything we went through the last couple of years, I just realized that everyone more than ever is concerned about keeping their immune system healthy. And I wanted to create a product that I could count on as well

as all my friends and my family and you, my listeners, that we could all count on for if and when we get sick or when we feel like we're getting sick. It's also great just for daily maintenance. And what it has in it is vitamin D, zinc, elderberry, chaga, quercetin, eleuthero, and astragalus. All of these vitamins and adaptogens and nutrients do different things for the immune system to help keep it in tip-top shape so that if you ever encounter any sort of sickness, it's just going to make sure that your immune system has the ability to fight it off. I am really, really excited about this product. It is on presale now. I left a link in the show notes if you guys want to order it. It is getting shipped within the

next couple of weeks. I don't know exactly when you're going to listen to this podcast, but it should be shipping by mid or the end of May. And as always, with every product that I back, and of course, a product that I am selling myself, it is of the highest quality. It's sugar-free, it's non-GMO, and it's just a really great product that I am so excited to get in your hands. Okay, so now more about today's guest. Dr. Mallory Blair has her PhD in analytical chemistry, a master's degree in bioanalytical chemistry, and she has over a decade of experience in researching and manufacturing liposomal

supplements. She launched 2x4 Nutrition because she's a mother of two and she's always struggled with finding nutritious vitamins that are not only effective, but also ones that her kids and her family in general enjoy taking. So that was really the driving force behind creating 2x4. And I wanted to have her on the podcast today because I wanted to talk all about the supplement that we are releasing together. And also I wanted to give you guys an understanding of what liposomal actually means. So everything that we go over in this podcast is about liposomal supplements. What is liposomal delivery? How is it more available for the body? What makes liposomal technology different from other supplements? And we also

talk about NutraStack, which is the liposomal delivery that 2x4 uses. We also talk a lot about supplements and why some don't work and what to look for when you're looking for a supplement. So this is a really informative podcast and I hope you guys enjoy it. Also, if you're loving the podcast, could you please take a second to rate and review it? I know it may not seem like it, but every rating and every review really helps and your support means the world to me. Thank you so much. I hope you enjoy the episode. Did you know that most cookware and appliances are made with forever chemicals? Yes. That means your nonstick pans, your air fryers, your waffle makers, your blender could possibly have PFAS and yes,

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for 20% off. Again, that's Organifi. It's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I.com slash realfoodology. Mallory, thank you so much for coming on today. I'm so excited to talk all about liposomal supplements. I'm excited to be here and represent 2x4 and just give some education about supplements in general. Yeah. Okay. So before we dive into liposomal supplements, because I want to talk all about that and what it is, because I'm sure a lot of people listening are pretty new to the world of liposomal supplements. So we'll go into that in a second. I want everyone to hear what your background is. So can you tell everyone what your background is, what you do, and how you got to this place where you started 2x4? Sure. So I am a PhD chemist. I went to undergrad at Gonzaga University, got a master's in organic

chemistry at University of California, Irvine, and then got my PhD at CSU in analytical chemistry. And I teach chemistry at Colorado State University. I lecture on and off depending on my schedule, but I, especially when I got pregnant and I was really paying attention to the nutrition I was consuming and supplements, the more I delve into it, I was a little worried about what supplements I was taking and the fact that there were so few scientists involved in manufacturing vitamins or selling them. And a lot of the stuff I was reading just didn't make sense. And I will say since that time, the FDA started regulating vitamins. So the landscape is so much better than it was, you know, 15 years ago when I started looking into this.

But anyway, with my background and my husband's background as well, we met in grad school at UC Irvine. We kind of realized that there was a way that you could make vitamins work better by making them more bioavailable. And that's what we'll be talking about today. So that's my background and how we kind of got involved in this field. That's amazing. I didn't even realize that you went to Colorado State. So I went to CU Boulder. Oh, nice. Yeah. I love Colorado. Yeah. Great school. So I'm a huge fan of that. Love hearing that. So this is what really got me interested in liposomal supplements because a little bit

about my background, when I started studying nutrition, I really thought initially I was taught like, you know, we can get all of our nutrients, all of our vitamins and minerals from our food. But as I started diving into more our farming practices and just how we are creating food these days and how we're growing it, we're just not getting the same vitamin and mineral profile anymore because our soil is not as healthy anymore. And this is why I really started to get super interested into supplementing. And then fast forward to liposomal coming on the scene. I was very intrigued by it because it's more bioavailable for the body. So can you explain to people what liposomal delivery is and how it

makes it more bioavailable? Sure. So if I think it's best to start with, um, why, why is bioavailability necessary? Why do some vitamins not absorb very well or as well as they could, right? And there's three kind of categories here. So number one, you take a vitamin and it gets destroyed by your stomach, maybe all the way or partially, right? Another thing that could happen is the vitamin causes your stomach to get upset. Then you're rushing to the bathroom, for lack of a better way to say that, and then it passes right through you. So you're getting no benefit. And then the third aspect of this gets a little more complicated and is dependent upon the vitamin, but there are different mechanisms or reactions that need to happen for a vitamin to get absorbed.

I'll use B12 as an example, which is a vitamin that really does not absorb well at all when it's not liposomal. And it requires a glycoprotein called intrinsic factor. Okay, so this is something that's produced in our stomach, but humans don't produce that much of it. Some humans have, it's not uncommon to have a disorder sort of where they don't produce very much intrinsic factor at all without this protein binding to the B12, it's not able to get into the cells. Okay. And that's just one example. So, so there's these different mechanisms that need to happen. All right. So keeping that in mind, when you use liposomes, the liposome you can think of as like bubbles that wrap around or encase the nutrient, right? And they do several things. So number one, it protects the supplement from breaking down in your stomach.

Okay, let's say it's vitamin C. It's inside this liposome. Your stomach isn't breaking the vitamin C down. Okay, the second important thing liposomes do because they're made up of these, these lipids that are similar to the structure of a cell wall. They're able to pass through the intestines, right? So bypasses your stomach through the intestines and right into the cells. Okay. Because they, they're similar to cell walls. They're able to get, get through there and deliver the vitamin right where they're needed.

So that is the idea behind liposomes and what they do. And I think a good way to think about them is breast milk, right? So breast milk is, is literally liposomal technology made by nature. So when you have a newborn baby, um, you don't feed them obviously, you know, real food. And that's not just because they can't chew it's it's really because their digestive system is not fully developed yet. Right. So they wouldn't be able to handle even liquids. Right. So breast milk is, you know, it's these fatty, you know, like little liposomes and they are encasing the nutrients coming from the mother, you know, the baby ingested and all the nutrients get absorbed through their intestines where they need to go. So really, um, especially our liposomes are a copy of breast milk that just

deliver nutrients where they're needed. That's amazing. It's like breast milk is the OG liposomal supplement. Exactly. Yeah. Well, nature really does know what it's doing. And is that, you were talking about B12 and it not being bioavailable. Another thing too that I'm sure a lot, well, I'm sure a lot of my listeners are, well, they know this probably because a lot of them are very well educated. But there's also a thing where if you have the MTFHR gene, you actually can't methylate B12. And so you have to get a methylated version of it. I'm curious, um, for someone like that, if it was in a liposomal form,

would it be more bioavailable or do they still have to have it in a methylated version? No, if you are taking a liposomal B12, it should not matter if it's methylated. And what you brought up is another good example of that third reason that things don't absorb. That's really broad and depends on the vitamin, right? The methylation is yet another mechanism that needs to happen, but with the liposome, you're kind of bypassing that. Cause that's the methylation needs to happen for absorption. If you have a liposome that's already causing it to absorb, then you're, you're getting that out of the equation. That's really interesting. And that's pretty game changing because then it, it means that, um, well, one, obviously that the vitamins are going to be more bioavailable

for people, but also if someone is unaware that they have one of these gene mutations, which are pretty common, like for people listening, if you're new to this, like that's pretty common and it doesn't, it shouldn't be anything to be scared about. It's just like how your genes are made up. And sometimes certain vitamins and minerals and nutrients aren't available to your body unless if you have like, like we just said, the methylated version of the B12 or whatever it is. So that's another argument for taking liposomal supplements, which is really cool. Do you want to hear the biggest discovery of our time for promoting healthy aging? Of course you do, because all of us are concerned about aging. There is a class of ingredients called senolytics that were discovered less than 10

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taking vitamin C, um, that's not liposomal, I'm not going to say it's not doing anything, uh, to really feel the effects and you'd have to be taking a lot. It would probably upset your stomach, but it's, it's helping somewhat, right? With liposomal, it's absorbing two and a half to three times better, right? So it, we're not seeing that huge, huge jump, but two and a half to three times, it's still a lot. Um, and that's because vitamin C already kind of absorbs. So just showing how every vitamin is, is a little bit different. Um, but the liposome is always going to give it a pretty big boost. And it means that people taking liposomal supplements can take less of it, right? Because it's more bioavailable.

Yes, absolutely. Um, you're not, cause you do end up wasting so much. A lot gets our stomach, our stomachs are, you know, very acidic. There's a lot going on in there. So you're losing a lot of it. Um, or if you had to, if you to take enough to get, you know, really feel effects and have those great effects, um, you're probably going to end up having an upset stomach. So this is, that's another thing the liposomes do because it protects, it protects the vitamin from your, from getting broken down, but it also protects your stomach from the vitamin. Um, if, if your stomach gets upset by certain supplements. Interesting. So for example, zinc, zinc is very notorious for making people nauseous, especially if you don't eat. If you were to take your liposomal zinc without eating,

will it not have that effect on your stomach? No, it shouldn't affect your stomach at all. Now I will say if you're taking, let's say too much zinc, um, it's not necessarily going to affect your stomach, but you don't want to over, you don't want to take so much zinc that then you get sick because you're, you're getting toxicity from too much zinc, but that's a separate issue, right? That's just taking too much of something. But yeah, I don't, I take most of my vitamins first thing in the morning without food. Everybody always recommends take, take vitamins with food. Go ahead and do that if you want, but, um, you shouldn't see any effects on your stomach when it's liposomal. Awesome. Oh, this is just so fascinating. This is a newer world to me, the world of liposomal supplements. I've been, like I said, into supplementation for a long time now, but this is, um, something I'm very excited about right now. Obviously I just really, or we are releasing right now, the supplement that I created with you guys that I'm so excited to get out into the world. And, um, I'm excited to see

how people love it and that it is a lot more effective than just taking like a gummy or a capsule 15 times more effective, right? Yeah. Depending. Yeah. And your, um, formula is great. I think with all the antioxidants anti-inflammation that's in your product, people are going to notice a difference right away. And that's what we keep hearing. It's also anecdotal. Like we have clinical data, but we also get people contacting us just saying how great it is. We actually had this guy really freaked out. He was a bike athlete, like did bike races. Um, and he was taking our glute, uh, liposomal glutathione and vitamin C products. Um, and he was taking it while he was training. Cause that really helps with muscle recovery. And he called like a week before

his race. And he said he had to get tested for, um, you know, doping steroids and stuff. And he was really worried. Cause he said, I just, I really don't believe you guys that there's no steroids in this because I've never seen effects like this. And we promised him over and over again that like, I, we swear it's all just vitamins. You'll be fine. And he was, but we kind of laugh about that now. That's cool. I mean, he's like, wow, I'm feeling such crazy effects from this. There has to be steroids in here. Like that's a huge testament to the product. I agree. Yeah, that's really cool. I actually, I have kind of a similar story. I have a girlfriend who, um, has pretty horrible endometriosis and she had a very intensive surgery and I believe it was January. And I happen to have a bottle of

your liposomal turmeric that I brought to her. And after maybe like two or three weeks, she called me and she was like, oh my God, where do I buy more of this? She was like, that was incredible. She's like, I've never felt the effects of turmeric like that before. And it really helped her get over all the inflammation and everything that she was dealing with post-surgery. It was really cool. That is great to hear.

And it's not the first time we've heard that, that yeah, the liposomal turmeric or liposomal curcumin, um, people love that one. Yeah, that's amazing. So I want to dive a little bit more into just supplements in general, because there's, I believe there's a lot of different misconceptions and maybe I don't even fully have the story, right. So I would love to hear what you have to say about, um, supplementing in general. And obviously you can compare liposomal, which we've already done kind of to like capsules. But in general, I've heard two different camps. I've heard from people that supplements don't work at all. You just pee it all out.

And then I've also heard, you know, well, I guess there's three main talking points because then there's some people that are like, you know, there's in between in the middle where like some do work, some don't work. And if that's the case, how would you tell people to navigate the supplement world and finding one that works? And then there's another camp that's like full blown for supplements. They work it's BS that you pee it all out. So where do you kind of stand as far as like, do supplements actually work? Supplements work. Um, and, and this is, this is a tough question. So let's start with, there are some supplements

like fish oil, for example, you do not need that in a liposome. It absorbs great. Um, and I don't even know, I've never seen liposomal fish oil on the market. So hopefully companies aren't out there trying to sell you that. Um, but well, it's because it's, it already is a fat. I'm so sorry to, um, interrupt you, but is that right? Cause yeah. Okay. So that's probably why it works. So if, yeah, anything that's like that, it's going to absorb well anyway. And then, then there's degrees of things, right? So like I said, B12, you really need that in a liposome to, to, to have any effectiveness. I wouldn't say that every, any supplement you take, you're just peeing it all out. Vitamin C, for example, it does absorb a bit, but again, if you want to get really the effects you're probably looking for, it's better to have it liposomal.

So the question that's difficult, you know, actually, I'm also going to back up a minute and say, it depends on also what you mean by, by does a vitamin work, right? So if we go back to vitamin C, you could say, okay, I take it for a week. You're not going to notice anything. Maybe after six months of taking vitamin C every day, you'll start to notice effects taking six months for that to happen. Do we consider that working? You know, it kind of depends. Iron is a huge one. I personally recently found out that I was crazy anemic, like so anemic. I hadn't been feeling well, actually ever since I gave birth to my twins, like three years ago, I think I just got used to it and thought like, this is just what it's like to be a mom. Maybe

that is not true. You shouldn't be feeling awful, but I was getting headaches every day, which is not normal for me. So we realized I was anemic and my doctor says, well, start taking iron supplements. Um, you might start noticing changes in six months and then it'll probably take you a year to get normal again. Well, I was like, I'm not, I can't go another year like this. This is awful. Now that I know that this is what's been going on, you know, so I was asking if I could get transfusions and while they were trying to sort out that, um, I was like, you know what, let's, we don't have an iron. We're kind of talking about an iron liposomal product. Let's just get one together. I'll be the Guinea pig for that. Um, within two weeks, my headaches went away. Um, it's been two months now and my levels are, are back. So like,

I'm so excited. Uh, we just finished a bunch of clinical studies on a liposomal iron. And I think for women and teenage girls, this is going to be really huge. Um, but again, my, my point here, it kind of went off on a tangent was that I don't, I don't think taking a year to not be anemic anymore is, is a supplement working. So you see what I'm saying? It's like, you're not just peeing them all out. Eventually, most supplements will work, but liposomal just makes it really, really work and right away. Yeah.

I mean, that's actually a great point. I had never thought about it like that before, because you're right. I mean, sometimes they say like, okay, you got to take this for a couple months in order to feel the effects. But if you can go ahead and take that in liposomal form and feel it right now, that would be way more effective and better for you. Right. And then I also, you know, back to the iron, if how many setbacks do you have? Like when a woman gets her menstrual cycle and then you're dipping back down again, and then you're trying to bring it back up. I could just see it being this ongoing battle, um, with something like that. So I just, and then liposomal supplements,

especially for people that have any kind of, um, like maybe they've gone through chemo or they have just kind of some health issues, stomach issues. Um, they are people who, who really need liposomal supplements, because if you're, if you're not, um, your body might not be absorbing much if you're already have some other kind of sickness, you know? Yeah, that's a great point. Yeah. I mean, so I'm, I'm right now, so I've been taking the same, um, I guess you would call it a multivitamin, but I don't, I don't really like multivitamins. So I get my vitamins right now outside of the liposomal ones that I take through two by four. I also have been on this protocol for like two years now through this company called, uh, honed vitamins. And what I really like about them is that it's bio

individual. So you send in a clip of your hair and then they do like a whole analysis on your hair. And then they tell you what you're deficient in. And then they build those vitamins based on what's happening in your body. And I will say like, I've really noticed a huge difference, but there's a part of me now, like listening to this and having this conversation where I'm like, do I need to just switch all of those over to liposomal? Would it be more effective? And I don't know if you even have the answer for that. It's more just me like pondering and thinking like, huh, I mean, this has been working for me, but maybe I need to do something more effective. I think depending on what the vitamins are, um, most likely liposomes would be more effective, but I think that's great what they do. Um, because I totally agree with you

about the multivitamin thing. And that's another issue is, um, over supplementation, maybe taking things you don't need. So multivitamin, not everybody has different needs, right? Like depending on your, your habits, like your diet, your size, how much fat you have in your body, um, that dictates what different vitamins like absorb better or don't. Um, it, it is different for everybody. And I think that's what makes it hard because how do you know, how do you know what to look for um googling is is really awful when it comes to vitamins because there's so much information and you know companies of course where everyone's going to claim that they have the best ingredients so if you do have um access to a nutritionist to kind of guide you or a company provides a service like what you talked

about um i think that's pretty great. I know we, this is why the big push at two by four was to have this service where when you go to our website, you can access a nutritionist, you know, 24 seven, we have advice. So before you check out in the cart, you're not just putting random stuff in there. They're kind of like asking you questions about, you know, what makes sense for you. So talking and even doctors should maybe know more about what supplements have been studied more. It's not always the case, but it's, it's better than nothing. I also think like a quality and I stress quality, a quality podcast like this one is helpful

because you've like, you obviously know what you're talking about. The guests that I've heard on your show, um, are experts and seem to like, really know what they're talking about. So you're getting good advice. Um, I've found them to even be helpful. So, Oh, thank you. I really appreciate that. Thanks. That means a lot. Well, you're going to be one of those amazing experts. So I'm very happy to share with my audience. Cause like I said, you know, liposomal is a newer thing to me. So I was really excited when we were talking about bringing you on, because as I learn new things, I want to share it with my listeners because we're all kind of in this together and this journey of learning. And that's what I love

so much about this space is that, uh, we're always learning new things about the human body. And then of course the science is going to change. And I really, I find it fascinating keeping up with all of this and, and pivoting, you know, with my diet, my supplements, all of that. Yeah. And there is a lot to keep up on. Yeah, absolutely. There's a, there's a lot going on, you know, and it's, it's wild. I always think about this. We barely even knew anything like 15, 20 years ago about gut health. We had no clue the connection to the brain and how much it dictated our ability to get diseases and just how much it played a role in our health. And so I always come back to that and say, like, what's going to be the next thing that we discover?

Like, oh, wow, we didn't even think about this and the connection to our health and how much of a role it plays. I agree. Your podcast a bit ago with, um, about the mushrooms blew me away. And I was like, I kind of knew a little bit, but I was just like, Oh man, this is something I really have to, to look more into and get in on. Cause it was pretty exciting. Yeah. It's so exciting. Everything that's coming out about mushrooms right now is really cool. Really stoked about that. I mean, mushrooms are fascinating. They basically have their whole entire world that we're not even aware of at all. I agree. That's really cool. Okay, so let's talk about NutraStack, which is 2x4's liposomal technology. What is, what makes it different? So NutriStack is the result of years and years of us perfecting our liposome technology. Um, so I would say the way that our liposome technology is, is done, it's no solvents, um, which can't be said for everybody. Um, and solvents, you know, are not healthy for you generally.

Low pressure. So basically, you know, I talked about how breast milk is like natural liposomes. We manufacture our liposomes in a way that occurs naturally as close to nature as possible. So that's what's great about our technology. And NutriStack is just what we've named the very like last generation of this that we feel like we've perfected. And NutriStack is just what we've named the very last generation of this that we feel like we've perfected. And all of our clinical studies, and we have quite a bit, are done on mostly the NutriStack version, which is just that last version. Awesome. Well, I love when a company like yours actually has the science to back it up. Is there somewhere, if people are curious to look more into it, have you guys posted these studies anywhere online where people can see them?

The two by four website should have links to a lot of the studies. Um, yeah, that would be the best place, the easiest place to access them. Cool. That's awesome. Yeah. It's great. I love when, like I said, when companies have that accessible to people, um, how, so are there best times to take supplements? I mean, I know a little bit

about this as far as like, um, you know, there's certain things that you want to take in the morning, for example, like B12 gives people energy. And so you really want to make sure you take that in the morning. And then obviously melatonin, you only want to take at night. Otherwise, are there like specific things that people should pay attention to as far as like what to take in the morning and what to take at night? Or does that really matter? So I think you've kind of hit most of it, um, any kind of antioxidant. Um, so B12, but antioxidants like, uh, vitamin C or glutathione tend to give you a bit of an energy boost. So it's best to take them earlier in the day, just in case they keep you up at night. Um, as far, I can really only speak to liposomal because it doesn't upset your stomach. You don't really have to worry about taking it

with meals. Often people like to anyway. Um, so in that case, other, other than just worrying about being kept awake by kept awake by antioxidants or, or B12, you can really take them anytime. Um, now non-liposomal supplements. Um, I think you have to worry more about, you know, does your stomach get upset easily by things and then make sure you're taking it with food. Okay. Is there, I just thought about this. Is there such thing as a liposomal probiotic? Is that even a thing or in like, would it even be a thing? Like, would that be something someone would want to do? So I'm, I'm not gonna pretend to know a ton about probiotics. It's not what we do. I mean,

I would guess that that wouldn't be necessary. And the reason I'm saying that is, I think the point of probiotics, right. Is to affect what's in your stomach and the liposomes are go straight to the cells. Yeah. The function is to bypass the stomach. So I don't see why that would be necessary or like why you would even do it. Yeah. Okay. That's yeah. I mean, I guess I can't think of why there would be a good reason for that. So is there, is there anything else that we haven't gone over about liposomal supplement supplementation that you think is really important for people to know? Just that if, especially for liposomal products, because they tend to have a higher price point, um, there are, you want to make sure you're not getting

duped, right. And there are companies that claim they're making liposomes. Um, so if you can find examples of their clinical data, um, and very few companies have any, it is, it is good to kind of check into that. Um, cause like I said, a lot of companies will say they have liposomes, but then there's not really data to back up the fact that they do or not. Yeah, that's a great point. I mean, how would someone even go about, uh, maybe you can kind of walk us through, how do we know what is a good liposomal supplement versus what's not obviously two by four, everyone listening, go get two by four liposomal supplement versus what's not obviously two by four, everyone listening, go get two by four liposomal supplements, but let's say someone's listening in Europe or

something and they can't get it. Um, what would be a way that they could figure out if it is like an actually good one? So, um, there are several companies that have clinical study data on their website. If they, if they've done clinical studies, I assume it will be on their website because why would you pay all that money and take all that time and then not use it in your marketing? So look, you know, look to see that their website has clinical studies. And then hopefully this isn't too common, but recently there's a company that just posted a clinical study that is very obviously false. And I'll just tell you how you would see this. And hopefully this would not come up a lot, but they did a clinical study and it says right on their

chart that they gave the subjects one gram of vitamin C, liposomal vitamin C. And then it shows that the subjects absorbed five grams of vitamin C. I don't care whether you have a liposomal vitamin C. And then it shows that the subjects absorbed five grams of vitamin C. I don't care whether you have a liposome or not, you can't absorb more than one gram if that's all that you started with, right? That just is against the universe. So I don't know, they didn't even put effort into faking their data. So I don't know what that's about, but hopefully that's not a common practice. So just kind of being aware, does this make sense? Yeah, that's crazy. Okay. Well, um, it's good to know. I mean, it's sad. There's, there's a lot of that happening now. There's like meddling of data. There's also, you know,

companies can pay to have studies done and then they pay for a certain outcome and it's hard. That's why you really have to, um, you have to know what you're looking at. And you also have to be pretty good I have, I was in school for 10 years and know how to read charts and stuff, but I don't expect everybody to understand, you know, what a PhD chemist does. And just because it's a field that takes a lot of study, it doesn't mean someone's not intelligent. It's just really hard to be able to sift through all that kind of stuff. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it's something that you're trained to look at and look for. And that exactly, it doesn't mean anything about anyone's intelligence. It just means that you've spent a lot of time or, you know, whoever studied that has spent a lot of

time studying that. So of course they're going to know more and understand it. Yeah. Okay. So speaking of, um, stuff to look out for, I'm very curious to know what you know about nanotech and maybe you can describe it to us a little bit. Yes, this is an important subject. So let me start with what the definition of nanotechnology is, because that in itself could be confusing. So nanotechnology, in order for something to be nanotechnology, there are two criteria. Number one, the size is very, very tiny, right? So between one and a hundred nanometers.

Okay. And just to give you a point of reference, the thickness of one page of a newspaper is 100,000 nanometers. Okay. Or another good one. Wow. Yeah. nanometers. Okay. Um, or, or another good one. Um, if a marble, if the definite, if the diameter of a marble marble was, um, one nanometer, then one meter would be the size of the earth.

Oh my God. Okay. So nanometer is very small. Wow. Um, the second criteria though, is it's, it's not just the size it's that there is a size function correlation. And what that means is nanotechnology, if we're not talking about supplements, is fascinating. It's an amazing field, very cool to study. And what happens is when you get to this size, the properties and behavior of matter, let's say it's gold particles, you know, and any substance, when it gets to that size, it often changes its behavior and properties. Um, and so that that's what makes nanotechnology cool, um, when you're not talking about supplements, right. And so if you have,

you can have nano, you could have liposomes that are within, um, you know, maybe like 50 nanometers. Um, as long as it's not changing the function of the vitamin changing properties, um, then it's not really nanotechnology and it's fine. It's just acting the same as, you know, even bigger liposomes, right? So the issue with this is there is really great nanotechnology that has been used in the pharmaceutical industry for drugs. Okay. So, so just an example, they have nanotechnology drugs, pharmaceuticals that can target tumors and help, you know, get, get rid of tumors. Right. But think for a minute what it takes to get a drug on the market, right? The hoops they have to jump through to prove safety in itself is a ton, right? As it should be.

And then to prove efficacy, is it worth the risk to take this? You know, does it actually do anything, right? So in the supplement industry, first, I want to note that it's actually against FDA regulations to claim that you have nanotechnology. So anyone doing that is breaking FDA regulations. Interesting. And so they're, they probably will eventually get caught. You know, people get away with it for a while. And here's why, if you really are, if you really have nanotechnology in your product, have you done any safety studies? Have you done enough to prove that it's actually safe?

I haven't seen any done. And if so, it's definitely not to the level that it would need to be, right? So that's that. The other thing, so worst case scenario, a company says they have nanotechnology and they don't have enough safety studies, if any, so they don't even know what's going on. Okay. Best case scenario, they don't actually have nanotechnology and they don't have enough safety studies, if any, so they don't even know what's going on. Okay. Best case scenario, they don't actually have nanotechnology. They maybe have nano sized liposomes, but they're not really doing anything different than any other liposomes. So worst case, they're just kind of using the term to, as a marketing thing, but it's not,

hopefully it's not harmful. It's just not really doing anything different. Um, and I know we've actually done studies, you know, on our own liposomes to see if there's any correlation between them getting into the nanometer size versus, um, you know, bigger than that micrometer size or whatever. And we're not, we don't really see any, any difference. So my question has always been, why, why are you doing this? If you can't prove that, that it's any better. Yeah. So I'm not saying that there couldn't be, um, uses for nanotechnology and supplements. I'm sure, I'm sure there could be, but you would have to pretty much treat it like a drug and have it go through trials and really, really prove safety. And here's why, here's an example of a paper I

just read that was done by Cornell University. So they were doing nano iron. So nanoliposomes with iron inside of it. Okay. And what they found was that it was nanotechnology and it was changing the makeup of the cells in the intestine. Okay. And this is what was getting the iron to absorb. So first few weeks are doing it. They're seeing all this iron getting absorbed. Okay. That's great. But then they noticed, and they didn't expect this, the cells in the intestine were being changed permanently. Okay. And the reason that was a problem, yes, you're getting more iron absorbed, but now everything else is getting absorbed too. So toxins that you're inhaling from the environment, toxins from, you know, pesticides, I don't know, whatever. Now it's

just like the floodgates are open and anything can get through. Um, and this was, they were doing this study on, um, human cells. So they weren't doing it to people and then chickens, because oddly enough, chickens absorb iron the same way humans do. So, I mean, they weren't even to the point where they were giving this to people because that would have been unethical, but that's just one example of where they were, they didn't know what they were going to see happen, but because these things were acting differently because they're on the nano side, they were permanently disrupting what the normal cells should have been doing. And that's concerning. That's probably what the person who messaged me was talking about. The whole reason I wanted to ask you about this is, you know, we talked about this off air, but so my listeners are aware. Uh, I had someone recently

reach out to me cause I had posted about a supplement that I found and I was just talking about the way that they had written on the bottle, you know, like we use this nanotech, blah, blah, blah. And I didn't know, me being naive, I thought that that just meant that this was a form of liposomal technology. And, you know, me being new to liposomal in general, I was excited and I was like, oh, you know, it's this nanotech thing. And then I had someone reach out to me and they go, oh my gosh, no, no, no, no.

This is like a form of, they told me this, and I don't know how correct this is, which is I wanted to ask you. They were like, no, nanotech is very much a form of greenwashing. They make it seem like this is something really good and really healthy. But the way they described it to me, the problem is that they're concerned that they say it's harmful because it crosses over the blood brain barrier. And for those listening that don't know, the blood brain barrier is basically our body's way of protecting us from toxins getting to our brain. And really that's our, kind of our, our last form of defense. It's a good one, but if you can get past the blood brain

barrier, you're, you're not in good shape because whatever's getting to your brain could be very harmful. Right. And this, and I think that I just used one example. I, when I was like delving into this, there were so many. And you said like, you know, you are naive. You didn't know. Why would you know? There's no reason that someone would know what even nanotechnology really means, you know? So now I think they're going to have to, because this is being kind of used as a marketing thing for a lot of people. But I think the person that contacted you, he probably knows of other examples, um, that I don't know about it, how dangerous it can be. So I just think in, in supplements, it is something to stay away from now. If you know, you have some kind of drug for a specific

purpose that has been studied and developed, that's a different story. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We're talking more about supplements and just in a field that we know it's not regulated or studied enough yet because it's so new. Yeah. That's really interesting. Cool. Well, I'm glad I got the chance to ask you that because this was a question or a comment I'd just gotten very recently. And I was like, oh man, I know nothing. I've never heard about this before. So I wanted to ask you. Before we go, I guess I kind of wanted to talk a little bit about the supplement that we're releasing together because I'm very excited about it. And I want my listeners to really understand, I guess, why we created this product, how it came about, what it does for you.

So I was really excited when I had the chance to release this with you guys. And for my listeners, this is, I've been kind of, you know, talking to them a little bit about how I'm releasing this, but I haven't had a full conversation about it yet. And I wanted to go over really quickly what is in it. Now that everyone understands that liposomal is more effective, I wanted to say kind of why I've created this. So, you know, over the last two years, obviously more than ever, immune health has really been put on the map for people. Everyone's a lot more concerned about their immune health. And for me, I just, I wanted to create something that would help boost your immune system in case, you case, you know, you come across anything like I,

for, I think my listeners know this, but before I started this podcast, I used to travel for four years with a pop star. And that meant that we were in airports constantly. We were living off of a tour bus. We were in, uh, you know, we were, airports, hotels, all this stuff. And any time me or anyone in the band that I worked for felt like we were getting sick, I would just overload them with everything. I was like, take vitamin C, take zinc, take astragalus, take all these things. And most of the time, if we got ahead of it, you know, just when you had sniffles or like a sore throat, it wouldn't go into a full-blown cold or cough or, you know, when just when you had sniffles or like a sore throat, it wouldn't go into a full blown cold or cough or, you know, whatever it was. And so this is really why I wanted to create this is to have something that's that people could take on a daily basis. And then

especially if they feel like they have a sore throat or something to just give their immune system a boost so that then they wouldn't have to full blown go into that sickness. Now I'm not claiming that this, I'm not making any medical claims or anything. I'm not saying this will like cure you or anything like that. But I will say that there is something to be said about taking certain things that do put your immune system into overdrive and it can either keep it from going as full blown as it would be, um, or, you know, minimize the amount of days that you're sick or whatever it is. And again, making no claims is totally dependent on your body, your immune system, how it responds. But I was really excited about this supplement, and this is why I put all these in here.

It's vitamin D, zinc, elderberry, chaga, quercetin, eleuthero, and astragalus. And all of those different nutrients and vitamins have been clinically studied in different areas to show, uh, immunity boosting. Do you have anything you wanted to say to it about it? Um, just, no, it's, I think it's going to be a great product or already is, um, also all the anti-inflammation, uh, properties of so many of the ingredients are huge. Inflammation is responsible for so many issues that I don't think we realize. So that's going to be huge. And I was thinking when you said how, you know, people would be getting sick or yourself and you just start, you know,

taking zinc, taking all these different things. Another reason I like this product and the other two by four products is how do you know how much of everything to take, right? Like when I first started in this industry, I was coming at it from, okay, the science of bioavailability, but I was like, but I actually don't know much about like how much of different vitamins should be, should you be taking, or, you know, what is a stragglers extract? I didn't know what any of this was. And this is why it was great to have the nutritionists come onto our team and stuff like that. So I could get advice. So for your products, it's, it's great because it's the like great ratios to get that

sweet spot of how much of, cause it's not like it's equal amounts of everything, right? How do you know how much of everything to take? And you're not having to buy each of these, these ingredients separately. You have like everything you need in this one product. An expert has figured out what amount, you know, of each ingredient should be in there. And that's another like big bonus of this product, I think. Yeah, that's actually a really great point. Because people don't know everything that goes on behind the scenes of making something. But I had a phone call every single week with your team or a zoom call for how long has that been? I it's been like seven months. And that was part of the process is I was like, okay, I know I want to do, you know, X, Y, and Z. I want to put all these different things in there, but I had no clue what amounts to put in it, especially because liposomal so

new to me and it being more effective. I had kind of an idea from a nutritional standpoint where I was like, Oh, I think we should do X amount of milligrams. And you know, we went back and forth because they were like, Oh, because it's more effective, you can put less in here. And it was really, it was cool. Cause it was very much, um, yeah, like a symbiotic relationship of me being like, I want to put these in there. And then I got help really figuring out exactly how much to put in there to make it the most effective and so that it can really help people. Yeah, it's good. This is, I rely on my team a lot because everybody has their expertise of what, what they're good at. And this is what I think is so special about the company is the amount of expertise we have in all these different areas. You know, we're not just

throwing a bunch of stuff together. Yeah, exactly. Without being informed, you know? Yeah. You have a great team. I've really, it's been such a joy working with them for the last six, seven months. So, or no, it's been eight months now. Um, God, time has really been flying by. So I also just want to say, I'm so grateful and thankful for this opportunity. It's been such an amazing experience. I'm glad. I'm happy to hear that. Thank you. Before we go, is there anything else that you wanted to cover that we didn't talk about? I feel like we really covered the gamut of, of everything and more. Yeah. Awesome. Do you think I'm missing anything? I don't think so. I went over all my questions that I had. I do have a question that I ask all of my guests on the podcast, which is what are

your health non-negotiables? So these are things that you do on a daily basis to maintain your health that are really important to you. Um, and they can be really simple. Like for example, mine is I go for a walk every day in the sun. Um, exercises definitely would be one of them always has been, um, most days I'd like to do like a pretty intense workout. Um, that doesn't happen every day. I'd say that. And then, um, sleep, I've never been a great sleeper. Um, so sleep's important to me and I noticed a huge difference. So trying to get a good night's sleep would be another one. Yeah. That's been, that's top of my list. And you know,

what's really interesting, what I love about I, so I've been asking this question to every single guest I've had since day one. And it's really cool to see the overlap in everyone. And that's one that almost every person answers. It really – sleep is so underrated from a health standpoint. I think, you know, there's that mentality of like, I'll sleep when I'm dead. Yep. No, I think I noticed a huge difference and I used to kind of be that way too. Like,

oh, I, I, I feel lazy if I'm, you know, not working as hard as I can, as many hours as I can. I'm like, you know what, this is not good for me. And also I'm not as effective. So I think it is a big one. Same. I used to work into very late hours and then I realized that this was not helping me. And I'm a way more efficient and effective worker when I actually get really good sleep. Absolutely. It's a really important part of the routine. Well, this has been such a great conversation. I'm so grateful that you came on today. Can you let everyone know where they either can find you or they can find two by four, all the above? Yeah. The easiest way to access myself and two by four is just going to the two by four.com

website and that's two X four.com. Perfect. And we'll add that in the show notes that people can just click on a link really easily. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you. It was a lot of fun. Thanks for listening to today's episode of the real foodology podcast. If you liked this episode, please leave a review in your podcast app to let me know. This is a resident media production produced by Drake Peterson and edited by Chris McCone. The theme song is called Heaven by the amazing singer Georgie, spelled with a J. Love you guys so much. See you next week. The content of this show is for educational and informational purposes only. It is not a substitute for individual medical and mental health advice and doesn't constitute a provider patient relationship. I am a nutritionist,

but I am not your nutritionist. As always, talk to your doctor or your health team first. Thank you.