Realfoodology - Why Most Diets Fail: Ultra-Processed Foods, Plant-Based Myths & Real Satiety | Brian Sanders

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

282: In this episode, I’m joined by Brian Sanders, founder of the Food Lies docuseries, to break down how we ended up trapped in a culture dominated by ultra-processed foods and confusing diet options. We unpack why so many popular diets fail, how to actually find satiety, and what human cultures around the world reveal about the link between plant-based diets and longevity (it’s not what you think). Brian also exposes the truth about seed oils, cholesterol, and why his health markers improved when he embraced a more animal-based approach. If you’re overwhelmed by conflicting nutrition advice, this episode will help you finally make sense of it all. Topics Discussed: → Why are ultra-processed foods making us sick and hungry all the time? → Do plant-based diets really lead to longevity? → What do hunter-gatherer diets reveal about the best human diet? → How do harmful industrial oils stack up to traditional fats like olive oil and tallow? → Is cholesterol actually bad for you? Sponsored By: → Paleovalley | Save at 15% at https://www.paleovalley.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY.  → Manukora | Head to https://www.manukora.com/realfoodology to save up to 31% plus $25 worth of free gifts with the Starter Kit, which comes with an MGO 850+ Manuka Honey jar, 5 honey travel sticks, a wooden spoon, and a guidebook! → Timeline | Don’t let another year go by feeling less than your best. Grab 35% off your one month subscription of Mitopure Gummies at https://www.timeline.com/realfoodology35. → Cowboy Colostrum | Get 25% Off Cowboy Colostrum with code REALFOODOLOGY at https://www.cowboycolostrum.com/realfoodology. → MASA | Ready to give MASA a try? Get 25% off your first order by going to https://www.masachips.com/realfoodology and using code REALFOODOLOGY. → Our Place | Our Place is having their biggest sale of the year right now! Save up to 35% sitewide now through January 12th. Visit https://www.fromourplace.com/realfoodology, no code needed.  Timestamps:  → 00:00:00 - Introduction  → 00:05:19 - Calorie Myths: Processed vs. Whole Foods   → 00:14:10 - Finding Satiety with Real Foods → 00:21:06 - Plant-Based Diets, Hunter Gatherers, + Longevity  → 00:33:55 - Blue Zone Truths  → 00:43:55 - Industrial Oils → 00:49:31 - Health, Politics & Government → 00:58:52 - Brian’s Workouts + Diet  → 01:03:50 - Raw Milk for Beauty  → 01:06:47 - Food Lies Docuseries  Show Links: → Food Lies  → Peak Human Podcast  → Sapien Center  Check Out: → Instagram    → Sapien Center | Instagram Check Out Courtney:  →  LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE →  Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! →  @realfoodology →  www.realfoodology.com →  My Immune Supplement by 2x4 →  Air Dr Air Purifier →  AquaTru Water Filter →  EWG Tap Water Database Produced By: Drake Peterson

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honey jar, five honey travel sticks, a wooden spoon, and a guidebook. That's Manukora, M-A-O-R-A-com slash Real Foodology to save 31% plus $25 of free gifts. First of all, Brian, thank you so much for coming on. People listening, if you've been around for a while, you will recognize Brian because he came on about two years ago, which is so wild. I was actually living in L.A. and we did virtual, but now we're here together in Austin. I love it in person. Yes. So I wanted to bring you on because you and I were at an event recently, and we were talking about how confusing it is to navigate nutrition in the time that we're living right now because there's so many different diets.

There's so many schools of thoughts. There's so many different experts that tell you, okay, it's the plant-based diet. And then we have Dan Butner telling us that, you know, the blue zones and everybody's eating plant-based. And then we have the carnivore people. Everybody's confused and everybody's wondering because people want to actually be healthy.

What is the truth around nutrition and how do you navigate all this and know what's best for you? Yeah, it's a hard question. I've been doing this for 10, 11 years myself, eight years full time as my job. I have a quick backstory. You can go back and listen to that old episode as well. But I lost both my parents to chronic disease.

And I was around 30 and I woke up, changed my diet, changed my life. We were doing the right things. We thought we were doing the right things. Eating low fat products and avoiding red meat and whole grains, like grains, grains, grains, grains, all that. And probably eating canola oil, heart healthy. Yes, doing all the things. And it just didn't work.

It almost works. It's like, the general thought is kind of decent, but it's just, it's really not the right way to do it. And I think people, they just gain a pound a year and then you all, you wake up and you're 40 and you have chronic disease. So I've been on this journey for 10 years. I've interviewed hundreds of doctors and scientists. And I feel like my role in this, I'm a mechanical engineer by background, so I'm not in the nutrition field necessarily, but maybe that's helping me because I'm not indoctrinated into the system. I didn't go to medical school. But again, some doctors will, like, like, we'll just say, I'm just some dude on the internet, which I kind of am. But I'm trying

to distill the best information from the best people and give it to people with actionable advice, right? Things they can use. And so by the end of this episode, I think people should know how to eat, not get tricked by the next diet and really just, yeah, understand, foundationally understand food and nutrition because it's a big topic. And so I like to start. out, like food is four things. It's protein, it's vitamins and minerals, it's fats, and it's carbs. So people kind of know this, but calories are very different in these different things. So protein and vitamins and minerals, these are the building blocks of your body, your organs, your tissues. And then fats and carbs are generally used as energy sources, get you through the day.

So these are very different types of calories. It's like building block calories and energy calories. Yet, we all just group these together as the same thing. And you go to any website, any doctor, any nutritionist, everyone's just saying, well, you just need to balance your calories and balance your calories and balance your calories and cut your calories. You just need a calorie deficit. I'm like,

okay, I mean, I understand energy balance. Yeah. I understand that there is something to do with energy balance. I can't eat unlimited food and expect to lose weight. Yeah. But like, you guys are missing a big part of this is, are we talking about bodybuilding beneficial calories or energy calories, which most people get too much of. And then you can get down into processed calories versus whole calories or processed foods versus whole foods. So people

from the very beginning need to consider what type of calories are we talking about? Because if you're just arbitrarily cutting calories, now you're getting less protein and nutrients and less energy. So of course you can lose weight by just cutting calories, but you're getting less protein and nutrients. This is why I think some people on the GLP-1s, they lose muscle mass, they lose their bone density even. Part of it is because they're not getting enough protein and nutrients. So from there, we can get into all these different subcategories. But generally, my main point is people need to consider the protein, nutrients, vitamins, minerals, and the energy. Because for all of history, we had adequate protein and protein,

in vitamins and minerals. We had high nutrient and we had correct energy in the diets from around, wherever we were. Around the world, they're very different, but they were always high nutrient, correct energy. And right now they've switched. So people can see my hands. It's low nutrient, high energy. And then what happens, your body's constantly hungry because it's never getting what it needs. So you're going to be overeating energy calories, specifically. no one got fat from eating too much protein or vitamins and minerals. So you're eating too much energy, especially processed energy, and then of course you store that as body fat. Yes. Well, let's talk about why, because I use this as an example a lot too. I always say my joke is no one's ever

binging on salmon. It's very easy to binge on something, an ultra-processed chip like Doritos. Why is that? It's because protein is incredibly satiating. It keeps you full and satisfied. It has a bunch of vitamins and minerals and that protein in there that actually keeps you full and satisfied and it satisfies your body's needs for those particular nutrients. Something like a Doritos chip doesn't have any actual nutritive value that your body is going to go, oh, thank you, I needed that. 100%. It's a great topic. There's a book called the Dorito Effect. And Mark Shatsker is great. And so I like to differentiate the difference between just hyperpalability. That is a great argument. and I'm, of course, not for hyper-palatable foods.

And everyone knows by now, there's food engineers that design flavors to make you overeat them. But that's only half the story. Other part of the story is exactly we talked about. Your body is looking for vitamins, minerals, and protein. And if you're not getting them, it will keep eating. And so it's actually beneficial to food manufacturers to put less vitamins, minerals, and protein.

And then whether they kind of know it or not, it's beneficial to them to get you to eat if they put less nutrition in them. So we're at odds with them. And then there's a hyperbalability argument, right? They're separate. It's like your body is wanting these things and it will eat till it gets there. And there's great scientists, Robinheimer and Simpson,

they're out of Australia, interviewed them as well on my peak human podcast. They wrote a great book called The Five Appetites. And they don't get everything right, but they talk a lot about the protein leverage hypothesis and deeper into why all animals they eat to get a certain amount of protein. And they did these rodent studies, and they were part of many studies or they just put together all these studies that other people have done

that show that you can take two groups of mice and you give the one group, the normal rodent chow, it has the right amount of protein, the right amount of fats and carbs, whatever they need, they live a normal life, everything's good. They give the second group an identical chow, except it has lower protein, therefore more, and they just bump up the fats and carbs a little more. And the second group just eats way more of it.

And they get obese, they die sooner, they have left offspring. And then they did the math and say the first group was getting 10 grams of protein per day. The second group also got 10 grams of protein per day. They just had to eat more food. To get it. To get it, right? And that is what's happening to our environment. This is like our food, or everyone in the U.S.

is our food environment just is a version of that low protein, low-neutral, nutrient with higher fats, higher carbs, especially refined fats, refined carbs. And so everyone's just slowly overeating. No one wants to overeat, right? Everyone's trying to, but you can't win that battle. There's no, like, willpower you can use to fight this long term. You can fight it short term. So that's why I get why it's, diet's confusing.

So many people try any number of diets and it works in the short term. I'm like, yes, I get it. Like I said, you can short term use willpower, be hungry, eat less protein, eat less nutrients and eat less calories, and then you will lose weight. But that is not the long-term solution. Exactly. I mean, I think everybody probably knows that feeling of trying some diet and then, you know, maybe week three in, you're just like, I'm starving. I'm starving all the time. Because if you're not eating the right balance of nutrients and protein, and you're, at least for me, like, I'm speaking more specifically when I was in, like, high school and early college

where I was eating like slim fast bars and drinking the slim fast shakes and being like, why am I starving all the time and I'm not losing weight. I'm just eating more food all the time. And then you hear calories in, calories out, you have to be in a calorie deficit. But then you're looking at that and going, how in the hell am I ever going to do this? I'm starving. Satiety is a huge component to this. And it goes beyond satiety. It's like this long-term nutrient problem that to solve it, you need nutrient dense real foods. You need animal foods. You might even need organ meats and stuff that people don't usually eat or oysters. You know, things that have high nutrients that will give you, like last things to tie to get your body

what it needs so you can stop eating without being desperate and hungry and miserable all the time. And since I've started doing this, I have no need to snack anymore. That's me too. Right? It's just, it's not like taking willpower to not snack. It's just I'm full. I'm good. Yeah. That's the thing. I talk about this so much because I, talking about what I just talked about earlier when I was younger, I felt like I was in this prison of just like, oh my God, how am I going to get through the day without just like eating all the time because I'm starving all the time versus now I go, I get to the end of the day and I'm like, oh, I didn't even like think about it unless if a meal was there. You know what I mean? Because before it was this like,

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to make this long term successful. And part of that is also the whole food, the intactness of the food, is that even another component is cellular structure of the food. It's like why are whole food's good? Why are processed foods bad? And there's a lot of reasons, right? There's industrial oils and all the sugars and MSG fillers, additives, all these things are bad. Then also it's because the fact that they were mechanically processed down into a fine powder and that interacts with your body differently. Yeah. So another great guest I had on was Gabor, Erdosi. He's not really famous for anything. He's, I don't know, he has like a chemical engineering degree or something. And he just did a great presentation and really

studies what happens in the gut. And there's, that's how I heard about GLP1. Like many, many years ago before all these Wigovi and Ozenpik came out, he was talking about these gut incretins are called incretins and there's GIP and GLP and there's all these like peptide Y or something and they react to different foods. So if you're eating a highly refined food, it interacts with these incritons in your gut in a different way and it gives you different blood sugar responses, different satiety responses. So the wholeness of a food matters as well. And I'm not like a super fiber person. I think fiber is great. It's fine. but it's not like this magical thing.

It'll be all, yeah. Everyone thinks, oh, we need like 100 grams of fiber per day. And I'm like, okay, fiber's good. It just means you're eating whole foods. Yeah, really. That's like the crux of it is, it means you're eating whole foods. So of course, every study that shows people who eat more fiber are healthier, I'm like, yes, of course, they're eating more whole foods.

Yes. Like the real magic of your diet is avoiding processed foods, right? That's the absolute magic. We're talking about all these different diets, different people, Dan Butner, to Sean Baker. Who's a friend of mine, not anything bad with him? But there's people with all these different opinions. And what makes the diet good is the wholeness, like the lack of processed foods,

is one of the biggest things. It's the protein, it's a nutrient. So it's adequate protein and nutrients on one side, which requires animal food. So I do not believe in vegan diets. But you also, you could eat a plant-based diet and still be okay. You can be fine because people around the world have done that. You can be very plant-based by volume, but you have fish and oysters and maybe some raw dairy. I'm thinking of cultures around the world that have eaten this way.

They're not all just crushing steaks like Sean Baker, but you don't have to. That's the thing. It's like we just need some of this animal nutrition and we need whole foods. And that is what makes the good diet. Not that, you know, some magical thing like, oh, we need to eat like asa'i berries or like, you know what I mean? Like, people think that there's like these magical superfoods that make your diet good or the fact that I had like 100 different colors of vegetables and that's why my diet's good. It's like, no, it's good. I get it. I mean, there's different flavonoids and different carotenoids

and different good things and different colored vegetables. But that's not like the end-all be-all. It's more that you're not eating processed foods. Yes. Well, and to your point about the plant-based things, so you and I are very much in alignment with this. I will say the only time where I feel like a plant-based diet might be beneficial to someone is maybe if their culture and their ancestors only ate plant-based. Like, for example, like in Indian cultures where they don't eat any animal foods. Or actually, I don't know if that's true. They eat dairy, that's true.

Yeah. That's true. So, okay. So they're not vegan. That's right. They're just vegetarian. Where I'm like, okay, if you come from that line of ancestry, then a plant-based diet may work for you. Whereas for me, I come from Eastern European.

French, Scandinavian, and all they eat is meat, basically, I feel like. And I tried the vegetarian diet, and it failed miserably for me. I was so sick. But something that you and I talked about, so we got on the phone yesterday before this recording, and something that we were talking about was now in 2025, because people have the resources, they have a grocery store to go to, they have supplements, they can eat a plant-based diet and not die of nutrient deficiencies. But back in the day, when people didn't have grocery stores,

stores to go to, people are eating whatever they could get their hands on. It's a very modern thing to say, oh, you can have a plant-based diet and you can totally thrive and be healthy and feel good. Most instances where you lived and you grew up, you were eating whatever you could get your hands on and that was not going, oh, no, thank you. I'm not going to have the beef because I'm vegetarian. It's like, no, you ate what you could get your hands on. For all of history, humans have exploited our environment to gain as much animal nutrition as possible. And this is something I've learned. I've been to Africa with hunter-gatherers. My good friend Dr. Bill Schindler studies this. He's an anthropologist. He's a food scientist. He travels the world. This is just

a fact of nature. If we were near the equator, we didn't have just giant cows running around or pre-cows like buffalo or bison, stuff like that. We would eat smaller animals and we'd eat frogs. We'd eat fish. We'd eat eggs. We'd eat anything that we could around us. oysters. Oysters were a big part of human history. They found piles and piles of oyster mounds 100,000 years ago. And they were all shucked and eaten by humans. We were always by water. Oysters have amazing nutrition in them. So we were always exploiting our environment to get as much animal nutrition as possible and then filled it in with plant foods. And so Indian vegetarians, that's also kind of fine. There's actually two groups

of Indians generally in the north and south and the ones that have more more animal foods are a lot healthier, and they actually have less chronic disease. Which is really fascinating. And actually, I want to talk about this because you were with two different tribes, the, I hope I'm saying this right, the Hazda and the Messiah. The Hadesa. The Hadsah. The Hadsah and the Maasai. And you were telling me something really interesting that I want people to hear about, well, one, so how did the tribes live and how do they hunt and how do they eat? And then what did you discover about the people that were living in between the cities

and where people are living in the rural tribe areas? That was the most interesting part that I didn't expect. But as expected, I've heard about the Maasai and the Hausa for many years. They're well studied. These are people still living like our ancestors did. The Maasai are eating blood, milk, and meat. So they'll do blood and milk for maybe three days. And then they'll butcher an animal, maybe a goat and eat meat for a few days and then go back to blood and milk.

And this is more for the men. Traditionally, the men would do this. But they could go, the men could go off. If there's no good grass, they're nomadic pastoralists, and they'd find good grass with their cows. And they would just go out with just their cattle. And they would have to survive on just blood and milk. That is so wild.

Six months. I could not do that. I drank it. It was fine. What did it taste like? Really irony? Irony milkshake is better with the milk. We had some goat's blood straight, and that was not good.

But with the milk, so it's like fresh raw milk. I was with this group of Lassai. They let us in. and they were just there for breakfast. It was kind of funny because they do this thing. They have this little arrow. They hit this vein. They bleed some of it out.

And then they patch it up. The animal's fine. It's just like donating blood. Oh, way. Yeah. So they patch it up. Animals's fine. Wow.

Then they have the milk and they just mix them together. And all these guys are like, hey, give me breakfast. Like what are these white dudes doing here taking our food? But yeah, it tasted fine. And this is how they lived. Strongest, tallest people I've ever seen. Amazing bone structure. you've heard of Weston Price, I'm sure you and your audience know about,

he studied especially the jaw and cavities and the bone structure of the face and how they develop and why that's so important. Well, it's a sign of health, really. So he went around the world that he did study the Messiah. And it was all true. Everything I read in nutrition, physical degeneration was true. These people, the glowing smiles, huge, wide jaws, teeth, healthy. these guys are like 6-2, just muscled, just looking great, living a long time.

And no dental work. They had no dentists. Absolutely no dentist. They would not know what a dentist is. And then the hods as well. The hods are smaller people. They're more wiry. I'm kind of wiry. They kind of look like me, maybe a little bit shorter. They are out there hunting animals and they are so good at hunting animals. So anyone ever tells you, oh, man, meat eating was occasional or, you know, if we got to hunt, That is not true. So these hodzah, they don't have land anymore. They're pushed off their land.

It's actually another issue of, it's a sad story of the government. They have all the animals and the game reserves, and they're making money off tourists doing safaris. Right? And then there's people in the city, and then there's these hunter-gatherers that they just throw in this little area Lake Ayasi and they just give them this small plot of land with no animals on it.

Yet, the hodzah, the few remaining people that still do this, they get animals every single day. If they saw it, it was food. If they saw an animal, they got it. With homemade bow and arrow, it's insane. Like, they would get little birds, whatever they could. They weren't getting the big animals that they used to get. So that's a big point.

My Instagram, everything I'm doing is called food lies. There's a lot of food lies out there. And one of the lies is that our ancestors didn't live a long time and that they did not get meat very often. The hunter-gatherers got meat every day. And how old are they living to? So in the studies, yes, there's only one study. It came out probably like 15, 20 years ago.

They live, the most common age of death, it was between 72, 74, 76. Some of these, so it was between 70 and 76, which is really good for living in the dirt. Like they have no modern medicine, they have nothing. They're getting infections. They're dying of other things, right? They're dying of injuries, accidents, you know, bacterial, problems. And so they are living long. And I think if they had just like the most basic stuff that we have, they could live to 100. This is what the human body is capable of, right? We know the

human body is capable of living to 120. And so these people are living the best way possible, clean air, clean water, clean food. And so they just die of other things. And they can get meat whatever they want. And they are eating the whole animal too when we first showed. up. They opened the animal. We eat the raw liver. Wow. And yeah, they're just eating everything. They're gnawing on the head. This kid was just gnawing on the head, like eating everything. They ate the brains. They're eating everything. I tasted the brains. It was good. It was good. It tastes like nothing. Do they eat it raw or do they cook it? They cook the brains. I think they know. They've kind of learned along the way. It's like eat the liver raw, all the nutrients. It's safe.

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What do they do after to preserve the meat? Because obviously they don't have refrigerators. So they just have to eat everything they kill immediately. Oh, yeah. They just go through it. They give the guts to the dogs. They have hunting dog companions. They give the rest of the women.

The women are actually gnawing on these tubers. And they're not like potatoes. They're kind of more like sugar cane. Have you ever chewed on sugar cane? So it's very fibrous, but they're not able to eat the fiber. So there's another food law is that they've got like some mountains of fiber every day. The men, I don't think they're eating any fiber. They're just eating animals.

The women are baking these big tubers. They're very fibrous. And then next to them is a pile of the cud or the, I don't know, just fibrous remains. Inside of it, maybe? Yeah. So they're just chewing on it. They're getting some glucose and then they spit it out. They gave it to me.

I was chewing on it. It's impossible that you cannot eat the fiber. But you're getting like prebiotic. You're getting some of the soluble fiber. You're getting some of the just bacteria around you. They're eating off the ground. So why I think Hunter Gathers have such a good microbiome and people study them and they think it's because they're eating this magical bouquet of fiber.

Like, no, they don't have grocery stores. They're not just able to eat like a cornucopia of colors. They just have a few foods. It's just like the potato, the tuber and some meat. But they're getting all these other things from the environment. They're building their microbiome based on their environment, not so much from eating fiber. Yeah, I mean, this is fascinating. This is what I love so much about the work that you do,

the account that you have, and also the docu-series that you're working on right now, is that you're dispelling all these myths and these lies. You and I were talking about this yesterday. There is this myth that blue zones are mostly based on vegetarian diet. And it's doing this whole blue zone study, the work of the blue zones, such a disservice, because, yes, everything else we're talking about the blue zones

is very true, and we should talk about, we should outline all the things that we think are really what make Blue Zones so significant for people's health, but also we're acting like they eat plant-based and that vegetarian is the way for longevity and why these people are living so long. And actually, it's the opposite. Most of these communities are eating a lot of meat.

Absolutely. And you mentioned Dan Boatner in the beginning. I just talked to him a couple days ago. I saw him at the conference and kind of bum rushed them. And I was like, hey, I'm making this thing called Food Lies. you know, I told him I was more supporting animal foods and he's like, well, why are you supporting animal foods when our ancestors didn't live along and all the people who ate plant base lived longer? And so I went into some of this stuff. It's like, I saw this firsthand. And

I think he just has a bias and he went to prove this. And now his whole career is based on them being plant based all the, in these, what is it, nine different places. And so he can't change his way and he doesn't want to see any new information. But all these populations are healthy because they're eating real food. All of the blues is they're eating very, very much whole food diets. They're constantly moving and exercising into old age. Old people are like carrying groceries up hills and everything gardening and all this stuff. They are all sleeping well. They're all getting vitamin D, nature, clean environment, all these things. And then community is the last pillar. Purpose, community, they're living together into old age. All these things

are very true. And then in the diet part, the whole food part, that's the magic of it. And so I've been to some of these blue zones. And also my friend Mary Ruddick, who I've had on my show a lot of times, has been to a lot of these blue zones, almost all of them. And she is also debunking this. They're very animal-based, like Ikaria is one of them in Greece. They're eating goats and lambs, nose to tail. They're eating the organs. They're cooking. with the fat. I went to the Quayo Peninsula. Costa Rica is one of the blue zones.

I went to one of these little farms and these people were dead broke, right? They have nothing. But they have chickens, so they're eating the eggs. They have pigs and they have cows and they have dairy animals and they're getting raw dairy every morning. They're making cheese and yogurt

out of the raw dairy and they're butchering a pig every few weeks whatever they need to do and they're saving all the fat. everything in the lard, they're eating the pork, they're eating the eggs, they're eating the raw dairy. They're diet. If you look at their calories, that's animal-based, right? If you have all that, so if you have a plate of food, it could be 60% plants, but if you look at the calories, it could be animal-based, right? Over 50% calories because the fat has more calories, protein, all these things. So I think a lot of these blues zones are actually animal-based by

calories and someone like Dan Butener who has an agenda will go around and just see what he wants to see right so it's like of course i could make a documentary that people are kiwi based and i could just go to a place and see how many kiwis they eat you know i don't know it's just whatever i want like that's like he just saw what he wanted to see he went to find people that were plant based and he found them exactly yeah and again let's be clear it's not like they're not eating any plant foods. That's not at all what we're saying. We're just saying that we're leaving out a key part of the conversation, which is they're eating a lot of animal foods, which are incredibly nutrient dense. We need them. To your point where you said earlier about how you have to eat

so much more of these plant-based foods in order to get the amount of protein that you actually need versus, like if we are talking about energy expenditure, which is a real important thing here, because like you said in the beginning, you can't just eat copious amounts of food. food and think that you're going to lose weight. There is a balance there, right? And if you are looking to manage your weight, manage your calories in, calories out, the most efficient way to do that is to eat animal foods because you're going to get satisfied, you're going to get full, you're going to have to eat less calories. If anyone has ever seen, I see these all the time on Instagram where they compare like a steak versus how much protein you get in the steak

versus how much protein or how much beans, for example, you'd have to eat in order to get the same amount of protein. It's like six cups of beans or something. Who's going to eat that? You're going to be farting yourself. It's crazy. Or like beans and rice are like, oh, if you like combine beans and rice, you're going to complete protein. And you have to eat 2,000 calories of beans and rice or you could eat like 800 calories of steak. So yes, calories are part of the story. And actually, I just realized we didn't finish up. The question you asked about the villages. Yes, we need to talk about that. So that kind of fits into the story of the blue zones. And there's these villages. So they're not the hunter-gatherers and they're not the people in the city. This is in

Tanzania and Uganda where I went. So people in the city are getting unhealthy because they have access to all the processed foods now. And I know on your show two years ago, I talked about the Uganda people who, they only had the farmer's market, but they had a lot of cooking oils. And they had these gatorade bottles of cooking oils. And people over 40 were getting really overweight and sick. And these are the industrial cooking oils to be very clear, not olive oil. It's not fresh, fresh, fresh olive oil. This was corn oil, soybean oil, canola oil in, like, plastic, like, Gatorade bottles. And they would fry their food and it was really gross. But they were eating all whole foods. Yet they were using all these cooking oils. They couldn't afford fast foods. And they were getting away with it into their 40s. And then once 40 and beyond, you could see the metabolic damage catch up. So there's a lot of narratives right now that it's just about processed foods or fast food. And that's not true. Because they didn't even have access to processed food. They, they couldn't, they could not afford McDonald's. McDonald's is 10 times as much as their normal meals, maybe 20 times, right?

It's for tourists. Like, they have a few in Uganda or these other cities, but it's not what they're eating. So it shows how bad the oils are and cooking in them. And then also, this was a different group in Tanzania that the village we went to. And this was the most interesting one. So we organized this. We wanted to spend time with some of these elders. And we thought we'd see all these people in their 80s, like, thriving.

Yeah. And we ended up in this agricultural village, and they were eating the most ideal diet that modern nutritionists would love. Modern nutritionists would love. It's like all plant-based whole, just grains, they had like cornmeal or different grains, they had, and just plant-based fruits and vegetables, and they couldn't afford much else than that. And these people were in terrible condition.

So these people were in their 70s, and they were, were bent over. They could barely walk. We couldn't even finish our interview. It was this group of 20 of them. And people were leaving. They just had to hobble away. They had bad knees, bad backs, hunched over, terrible, like kind of degenerative type of stuff, autoimmune type of stuff, sort of arthritic type of stuff. And sarcopenia just like very under muscle. They just were not getting enough protein and nutrients. So it's just funny that people think that this is the the best diet possible. And I don't think anyone's ever studied. Dan Biedner has not seen these people. I don't think scientists have gone and done studies on them because they're either doing

the Hotsa or they're doing. This was just a very specific group of people that I didn't even know existed. Agricultural is eating from the land organic as well. So this is the thing we can't, I know I'm trying to eat only organic food and of course I believe in all that. But these people were eating. They were just eating from banana trees and stuff. There was no pesticides. Still, they were not doing well in old age because they didn't get the protein and nutrients. Wow. So they weren't getting enough protein and it was probably also the industrial oils that they were using too. This group might not even had oils. The second group I'm talking about Tansity, the Uganda group did have the oils. This group didn't even have the oils. They were in a remote village. All they had, they have

Ugali, which is cornmeal and water. If you're really poor, you can't put milk. If you have a little more, you have an animal, you can put milk in it and you can do okay. But these people are eating like porridge. This is like a dietitian's dream. It's like eat your, your like oatmeal like porridge, eat fruits and vegetables. Eat from the land, eat organic. They probably got a few eggs, but just not enough. They just did not get enough protein. Wow. We need to have more people studying this. This is why I'm so excited for your docu-series to come out, because are you guys going to show that? Yeah. Yeah.

It's six episodes. We go the whole story. Episode one, we start at the back of human history and we look at how we've developed to require animal foods and how our guts have changed, you know, kind of debunking a lot of the vegan arguments. Then we go into the agriculture revolution. We talk about Weston Price. We talk about the advent of agriculture, all this stuff. So it's basically calories at the expense of nutrients, right? We had a whole bunch of calories from grains and we could grow them, but we didn't.

know that we were not getting enough nutrition from those, right? So then we go into just all different diets, explaining all this stuff, explaining kind of these nutrient to energy ratios I was talking about, explaining what to eat, like really getting into these details. And then episode six is about regenerative agriculture, environment and ethics. Right, so that's part of the story too. So we're putting it all in one like amazing story so that you could finally understand what do we eat. Yeah, what do we eat to finally answer it? That's so cool. So we've been talking about oils, and I want to know your thoughts on industrial oils. Now, to be clear, we are talking about, quote-unquote, seed oils, but it's become such a, I don't know what to call it, like a trigger word.

It's a hot-button word now where everybody, you know, fights about these seed oils. And I'm over here going, we've known this for a long time. I've been telling people to avoid canola oil for 20 years. But every time I say seed oils now, everyone goes, ugh. You're like a right-wing extremist. If you talk about seed oils. Yeah, it's a little triggering now. I actually probably will stop even using the term seed oils.

Me too. I think it's, yeah, industrial oils. I just hate that this has to be political and we have to argue about this. I want to just kind of like shake people. Lane Norton is sort of a friend of mine. We're like frenemies, I guess. How can you be friends? Well, okay.

So we're like, if we can't beat him, join him. So we got him in the series. So we were thinking, we want to look at all sides kind of like. We should. We should. We have them and he talks about his view and he actually agrees with a lot of what I've been saying this whole podcast. We talked about nutrient and energy and he, he understands all this stuff.

So I like that part, but I also don't like the part where he's just being combative online and trying to like be like the protector of the internet. He's like, I'm here to save you, you know, everyone's wrong but me. Yeah. Right? But he knows generally what's up. But the seed oil part or industrial oils, he's still like on that side. And a lot of people are on the side of like they're fine. The studies say this. So it's hard for one to do good studies on this stuff. And I just think it's weird that they side with the food industry without like kind of realizing. I'm like, if you just

simply think what about human history about simple logic what is better something that we've always eaten like oils and fats that we've always eaten throughout history and it could be coconut oil it could be olive oil butter tallow yes basically those four things is that better logically or this highly processed new oil we just invented yeah like why just think like this I want to said I've tried I did two podcasts with him already I don't know if we've gotten to the bottom of anything. But just think, I know there are, you know, some of these studies that kind of, you know, very cloudy, you know, it's these population, it's so hard to do population level diet studies. You can't be that controlled. Yeah. And that you're studying an unhealthy

population. And actually, the people that ate the more industrial oil, the higher polyunsaturated fat, they died less of heart disease, but they died more of other things. Yeah. Well, exactly. Because it's driving inflammation and it's causing other issues. Exactly. And the cholesterol piece is actually, it's so nuanced and there's so much there. But we're focusing so much on Pufa specifically on HDL cholesterol. And LDL? Well, and lowering, yeah, that's true.

And lowering the LDL cholesterol part that we're forgetting there's an entire other conversation that needs to be had about cholesterol specifically. But anyways, yeah. Yeah, I've had many conversations about the LDL story too. I've had like five cardiologists on my show. some of them are in the series. And yeah, I think that's a whole other topic. Yeah.

But it's, okay, my example is I stopped eating the industrial oils. I stopped eating refined sugars and refined grains. And I started eating more animal foods. Say there's 100 health markers. 99 got better for me. And pretty much everyone I know, say arbitrarily, call it 100. Like my joint pain went away, acid reflux, away. I lost 20 pounds of fat. I list 100 things. H.DL got better. Triglycerides got better.

A1C got better. Everything got better. 99 things got better. And then my LDL went up a little bit. So is it that LDL is just trying to kill me or do we have the wrong view of LDL? Exactly. Exactly. Which is a larger conversation, which we could get into. But I've also, I've had conversations with, I had Johnny Bowden on if people want to go back and listen. it's such a long, nuanced conversation. But basically, though, the skim of it is that we have gotten cholesterol largely wrong. I don't get sick anymore. Actually, my LDL is not even that bad. I mean, I have really good, I'm more interested in the triglystereid to HCL ratio. So I have a very low triglycerid ratio. It's like almost 0.5. Like high HDL low trigs. So about, say,

like 90 HDL 45 trigs. That's a 0.5 ratio. That is amazing. like my health has never been better. I've barely been sick in eight years. Like you could barely count my, I haven't missed a day of work in eight years. Yeah. I mean, that says a lot. That right there and just what you said about all your markers getting better. I mean, it's the same for me too. I started eating more meat and more animal foods and same as you. All my numbers got better and my LDL went slightly up. My doctor was like, I'm not even worried about this at all. It was a smart doctor. Exactly. One of the few ones that like actually didn't freak out. Exactly. Well, because she understands that we've gotten cholesterol largely wrong.

We were kind of talking about, you know, Lane Norton and this is not specifically directed at him. It's more about you and I have talked a lot about how health has become so politicized, and it's doing all of us such a disservice. I mean, you were just at an event where you saw Ph.D. Jessica, I refused to call her Dr. Jessica. because she's a Ph.D., and there needs to be a way to differentiate between Ph.D. and doctor, but I digress, because she's not a medical doctor, that's my point. But there's a lot of these accounts out there now that have made it where we are at war. We are literally at war now with our own colleagues and people that should be on the same side, that all should be fighting for Americans better health.

And it's become this fight online where everybody says, I'm the expert, listen to me. I have all the facts. I know the truth. And people are confused. And this is what makes me so mad is that now people are more confused than ever and now we have this war going on where people are fighting with the people that are genuinely trying to create better change.

Like I have people in my DMs all the time trying to pick fights with me and have these gotcha moments and I go, okay, do you feel better? Like you're attacking the person that's on the front lines right now and genuinely trying to make food better, healthier, more accessible for everyone.

Why are we fighting people on this? It's really sad. And I think it's part of human nature, we're tribal. Yeah. And so there is a bit of that, right? And it's political, too. And I really stay out of politics. Yeah.

Like, I'm pretty, like, independent. Right. I don't like the left or first right. I think they're two sides of the same coin. They are. They are. You know, so I'm like, I don't want to stay out of this, but I know I agree with more of one side than the other.

And then I think I've kind of gotten to the bottom of it, I think, is that the right is more than the side. of personal responsibility, and the left is more on the side of, let's outsource our responsibility. So if you look at any of these issues with COVID, it's like, give me everything, give me all the medicines and shots, and that's how I'm going to be healthy. And then me and us, all our people, are kind of like, I'm... Leave me alone. Doing it myself. Yeah. I can take care of myself. I'm taking health into my own hands. So that's just a fundamental difference in a philosophy. It's a great point. Right. So now, at some point, I've become...

more Zen about it, where it's like, well, there's going to be these Jessica-type people. She posted about, I posted about her first because Dr. Will Cole did a little debate with her. And I posted a picture, and I was on the side of Will. And so she posted that. And now her followers are DMing me. But I don't really care because I just get it. You guys believe in outsourcing your health. She believes in funding the FDA more and giving more money to these government organizations.

And that's how we're going to solve our problems. And our side is more, let's do less. Like, I don't want to give the government any more money to do things worse. They already do things so poorly. Exactly. Historically, okay, this is a great example. I saw this the other day and I was like, wow, I could not put this better myself. Think about how the DMV is run, okay?

Think about how horrible it is going to the DMV. Think about how horrible it is going if you ever have to go to the hospital. And, I mean, you can literally be bleeding out and you sometimes sit in the ER. I heard a story about a guy that was laying on a stretcher for eight hours in the ER. So, like, think about how every government ran business runs, the post office. Another perfect example. Permitting. Kind of a disaster.

Permitting, exactly. So think about that and then think about them running our health and trying to get Americans healthier. It's already a disaster. I mean, 93% of Americans are metabolically unhealthy. And so this is my beef with Jessica. And to me, I'm like, she talks in circles and she's, incredibly hypocritical because she gets on stage with Will Cole. She agrees that everything's

corrupt and that we need to do things differently. And then in the same breath says, but we need to give those same institutions that got us here and got us into this mess in the first place, we need to give them more money. No, we need to do this completely differently than we have done. And I'm not saying the solution is no money, but I'm saying that we need to completely uproot what we have done and admit that what we are doing right now is not working. Like we have the DMV trying to run our health right now and it's an absolute disaster mess and why do we think giving them more money is going to be any better it's it's really crazy so that's why i don't get political because i don't think this stuff is solved from the top down yeah i think some of it is good and

bobby's kennedy's in there trying to make some changes and you know we should have some like regulations something going on at the top but really it needs to come from the bottom that's why i'm making food lies that's why i love what you're doing and doing your podcast all these years and blogs and everything you've done is that we need to just change the people's opinion of what to do and let people understand that a good diet isn't just about counting calories and it doesn't just come from eating like some arbitrary grams of fiber like if they kind of understand oh like these oils are actually bad or these processed foods are actually bad I can't just outrun the bad diet they understand animal foods are healthy right just simple stuff like this yeah then that can change

everything. Yeah, absolutely. And I was just thinking about this too. So what we, part of the mess that we're in right now is because we have taken a one-size-fits-all approach for diet, nutrition, medical system. And while yes, I do think that in one instance that we can say everyone should be eating more whole real foods, but also different things need to be tailored to different people based on where they are in their life. If you want to be a bodybuilder or let's say you're pregnant or you're breastfeeding or like whatever it is. Like there's different things that need to be kind of tailored within that real food movement

in that real food structure. And when we're dealing with the government doing all these laws and all these regulations and all these policies, it's always going to be one size fits all or the majority of the population. And we've lost this bio-individualized care, medicine, and nutrition.

So that's the problem with why diet's confusing. This is how we started this discussion. Yeah. that no one is accurate about how like what it makes a good diet so they're trying to do the ones it's like my plate and jessica went on and on about how my plate is amazing and that we don't even use the food pyramid anymore and all this stuff she's like oh my plate is so much better than food pyramid and like okay this is not individualized this is not healthy i don't think it's it's it's generally i mean it's better than eating Doritos and mountain do yeah but at least they have some

things, right? It's like they're kind of encouraging more whole foods. But humans are very adaptable. We live in all different places around the world. And throughout history, we've had all different kinds of diets. So you're correct. And people have different preferences. And Indian people have different beliefs about not eating cows, for example. So yes, we're never going to have the one-size-fits-all approach. But we need to get a better explanation to the public of what the good diet is and that animal protein is healthy and, you know, eat more of the protein and and that processed foods are bad. It's just these narratives are controlled by big food, right? So it's always fighting this uphill battle. I kind of learned this actually. I started coming

to nose to tail. We sold meat. We did regenerative agriculture trying to get out to people. I made no money. There's no profit margin on meat. And I learned, I'm like, wait a second. Okay, I spent all these years trying to get the best meat to people. Even if I business quadrupled, I still wouldn't make a lot of money because the profit margin is so low. So then I was like, oh my gosh, that's why the world, no one's making money on lettuce or strawberries either. They're making money on the Doritos and Pop-Tarts.

They're making money into processed foods. So then I'm like, oh, that's why everything's backwards. And it's going to be really hard to change because these systems are entrenched with all this money. So if you have all that huge profit margin on processed foods, you can spend money on marketing, you can do lobbying, and you could even do these fake studies that they do that try to say, oh, it's just about counting calories. It's like, oh, pasta is like, you know, the Borilla studies.

You look at who funded the study and it's Borilla, the big pasta company. And it's like, oh, pasta's like the healthiest thing you can eat, you know. Or like that, this is my favorite. I always referenced this. There was a study done years ago where they tried to say that, God, how did they word it? They basically said that soda consumption was not connected to obesity. And then at the bottom, it was literally funded by Coca-Cola. Coca-Cola's like, no, drinking sodas doesn't cause obesity funded by Coca-Cola.

Like, what are we doing here? Until, I don't know, you've got to change the public opinion. And it's not going to happen from the top because of that money. Yes. So that's, yeah. Well, and this is why, because people are starting to focus more on protein. And now we're seeing all these ultra-processed foods that are loaded with protein, which is just driving me nuts.

It's like we have protein cereal. We have protein pop-tarts. Protein water. Protein water the other day. Protein donuts. And I'm like, what are we doing here? It's because they're realizing that we need more protein, but the profit margin is so much higher on these ultra-processed garbage foods.

That's it. It's so crazy. Yeah. It is really crazy. I want to ask you this before we run out of time, because I am personally invested in this and fascinated by it, especially because I'm trying to get Hector more on this train. You posted recently on your Instagram that you work out one hour a week

and you're ripped. You're in really good shape. How are you doing that? Okay, yeah, so it's one hour in the gym. So I do more exercise. So I definitely encourage people to do as much as they can do. Yeah. Right?

And then I do. I'm walking. I'm playing beach volleyball. I'm sprinting. But I only do two 30-minute sessions in the gym. and it's well I use drop sets to failure so I guess I'm an engineer so I like to do things the most efficient way possible and I've learned this over the years from interviewing other doctors and scientists Dr. Ted Naman Dr. Keith Barr, Stu Phillips is a protein researcher and I learned oh there's a

much better way and so yeah I made up a thing called hard 30 so you can find it hard 30 online I guess it's hard 30.co but it's a simple workout where I'm doing all the movements with a weight, say there's a push day and a pull day. So on the push day, I'm starting with dips. And I'll use a 50 pound dumbbell, hang it off a weight belt, and do as many dips as I can. Then I take that off, then use a 35 pound dumbbell, do as many as I can. Immediately take that off, use a 20 pound dumbbell, do as many as I can. Then I use no weight and do as many as I can. So I did four sets in a row of dips, and I am exhausted. And I've exhausted my muscles. I've gotten all these different muscle fibers down. That's all you really want to do is get the muscle

fibers worked so that they can grow back, you know, tear them down so you build them back up. And then I move on to another work at like a squat. So then I'm doing a squat and I do the same type of thing. It's also a lot safer way to work out because you're not going higher in weight. Yeah. Because then you can get hurt. Most people are, you know, struggling. They're trying to do one rep max and it's a very heavy weight and that's how you get hurt. So I'm going lower in weight, so I'm not getting hurt. When I'm really tired, I'm doing the lightest weight. So, that's so smart. So you can do it. It's only about 25 minutes, really. There's like a five minute warm up. But it's just, it's such a better way to do it. I mean, you're not necessarily

going to become ripped and huge and win a competition from this type of workout. But for 95% the population, it's all you need. And part of it is that it's sustainable. It's something that I'm actually going to do. So I can do it at a hotel room. gym, you know, like a hotel or an apartment complex. I've never even had a gym membership ever. That's so amazing. That's so cool. I need Hector to get on this. Well, Hector should do whatever he wants, but Hector is on this whole like fitness protocol right now and he's feeling like he has to go to these hour workouts every day. And I keep trying to tell him, I'm like, babe, you can do this more efficiently where you're not chasing these workout classes all the time to stay in shape.

I'm really into the simple, sustainable, enjoyable. So with the diet, it should be that simple, sustainable, enjoyable. I eat very simple foods. People might be wondering, okay, well, what do you eat? You know, we talked about all this stuff. I eat simple stuff. I make bone broth rice. I cook rice and bone broth.

I eat burger patties. I eat steak. I eat fish, seafood, shrimp, oysters. I eat sauerkraut, pickles. I eat fruit for dessert. Like, it's the simplest thing. These are all single green foods. They're all absolutely delicious.

I cook it in 10 minutes or less, or I'll pre-batch, you know, cook a lot of stuff in the beginning. It's super easy. Everything takes like 10 minutes. And it's delicious, sustainable, enjoyable. And same thing with the workout. I don't want to spend hours and hours in the gym. You know, it's just not sustainable for me.

It just doesn't work. I have a busy lifestyle. I'm going to conferences, blah, blah, blah. I have a million things going on. I just, but if it's only 30 minutes twice a week, I know I can do it. I can force myself to do it. It's like, okay, I got to do it.

It's only, you know, you have your A day, your B day, you've got to do it. And it doesn't have to be in the same day each week, but I fit it in. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's amazing. And this is what I say all the time for people. It has to be something that you enjoy and love. Otherwise, you will not stay with it long term. For me, my number one exercise is going for a walk.

I literally walk my dogs for an hour every single day. I also weight train in the gym. but for me I love to walk and I do it almost every day and that is super sustainable for me for maintaining my weight for getting my body moving I get my dogs out the door every day and I enjoy it I listen to a podcast I get in nature I love it and so I do it every day because I love it and I tell people I'm like you got to figure out what you love to do because otherwise you're not going to do it

absolutely and get on a phone call talk to people you know have some we talked on one of your walks Yes. I take so many calls on my walks. I'm like, yes, join me on my walk. Let's go. You just need to fit in your life and make it simple. And I'm there. I'm there with you. I love it. Okay, so tell me about, we have this drink sitting here. What is this? Tell me about it. Oh, wow. Well, this is actually raw milk. And it's, okay, so after years of not making money selling meat, I decided that I was going to make something that it is everything that I believed in, which is protein and nutrients. this is all real food ingredients, no fillers, no additives. It's different kinds of protein and nutrients. And here take us out. Okay. This has, it tastes like cereal milk kind of. That's how

I just like cereal milk. This has, it's even has organ meats in it. Wow. So it took us so long to make it taste good. It's based on a bone broth, collagen, has protein, weight protein, different kinds of protein organs. It has some kelp for iodine. It has, some astral cherry vitamin C. So you can actually use the collagen. Amazing. Yes. So you get the vitamin C.

So you can, yeah, collagen is not even usable to your body unless you have vitamin C with it. I actually didn't know that. Yeah. So, wow, I learned something new on every podcast. I love that. It's called Brights. And the idea is, it's for beauty, actually. It's a beauty formulation.

Okay, I love that. Well, because we know collagen is really good for skin elasticity. The organ meats are amazing for your skin and just for your overall health in general. What else is in there that causes or that helps with beauty? Well, the protein and the, well, correct. The main thing is like the collagen and usable collagen, but that second thing would be the protein and the, well, the whole host of nutrients, the cofactors. That's a big thing.

So the organ meats have all these things, copper, selenium, bengenese. There's so many things that people don't normally get. And it has those in the organ meats. And then a few things like the kelp for iodine or the astralot cherry for vitamin C, it's basically trying to mimic nature and the right ratios and giving your body all that it needs. Amazing. But yeah, it's actually in beta testing now. Okay, cool.

How fun. This is so exciting. Thanks for letting me try it. Bright's beauty. And yeah, I gave you a box. And yeah, it's basically just the answer. It also helps you, oh, this is one of the most important parts. It helps you be satiated.

This is the whole point of everything we've talked about is that it keeps you satiated and then you will hopefully lose weight. So we sampled it and I couldn't eat dinner. Like I was sampling it all day and I just couldn't eat dinner. You're like I'm so satisfied and I don't even need food. Yeah.

So yeah, brights beauty.com and we're looking for beta testers. We're giving it away for free to a handful of women. Oh, nice. Okay, cool. So people can just Google Brights or how do they find it? Bright's Beauty, yeah. Okay, Bright's Beauty.

So look it up if you want to be a beta tester. Is there anything else that you feel like we didn't cover? I mean, we went over everything I wanted to talk about. I think we did it all. Yeah. I mean, basically, food lies. And the only thing else is check me out on food lies on Instagram, wherever. Yeah, he has a great account.

He's always dispelling all these myths about health and nutrition. I love following you, Brian. You always post the best stuff. You always post the truth, which is very amazing. and more than ever it's needed. And I love the post that you do. I always find, like, really fascinating new little, you know, health tips and tricks. And you just help to dispel the myths that really helps me a lot.

Yes. Thank you. It's been a fun eight years of posting every day. Same. Oh, yeah. I know. It's crazy. Okay, so you have this docu-series coming out, but you don't have a date for that yet, right?

Do not have a date? If anyone listening knows Chris Pratt. Now, we're looking for some A-Las celebrities. I'm trying to get, Hallie Berry was there at the conference this weekend. Yeah. She looks great. She's 59.

Wow. Insane. And she's big into real food and protein and, yeah. Okay, I love to hear that. So we're trying to get a hold of some celebrities already have some interested. And we're trying to get this thing on Netflix next year. Okay, awesome. So everybody, stay tuned for food lies.

I will obviously be posting about it when it's out. I've seen, I haven't even seen the first episode yet because I missed that. I know. I want to see it. I know. I came late to this conference that he played it at. But if it's anything like the preview, I'm obsessed already. The preview is amazing. Oh, yeah. The trailer's on YouTube. Just look for Food Lies intro. Okay. Everybody go watch it. It's so cool. Check him out on Instagram. Is there anywhere else that you want to plug that people can find you? All right. I have sapien.org. Sapien is kind of my broader philosophy on all this stuff. It's back to human. It's stuff that you believe in. And I'm trying to get people in our world to get along.

more. Instead of it's like, I'm the carnivore, I'm paleo, I'm keto. It's like, let's just get everyone under, you know, one roof, right? And Sapien is that. I love that so much. And if you're in Austin, come to the Sapien Center. They have a ton of amazing events. And there's always really cool speakers there. Sometimes I do panels and stuff there. So come check us out at Sapien. Sabian Center. Awesome. Yeah. Brian, thank you so much. This is awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much for listening to the Real Foodology Podcast. This a Wellness Loud production produced by Drake Peterson. Themesong is by Georgie. You can watch the full video version of this podcast inside the Spotify app or on YouTube. As always, you can leave us a voicemail by

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