Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP: 169 A gold miner's encounter Part Two

Episode Date: November 29, 2015

Due to my grandmother passing away I am posting a replay of my show with Bob Garrett. I will be back tomorrow night posting some Members show. Look for that tomorrow night. I hate doing replays but I want to thank the audience for understanding. In Part Two of my discussion with Bob we talk about some of the behaviors that he witnessed from Sasquatch, as well as some of the stranger things he experienced while out in the woods. Sometimes fact is stranger than fiction. I discussed with Bob some witness reports on the show and get his take. Bob spent years living off of the land and in the mountains as a gold miner. We were chatting about a lot of things Sasquatch related, we were discussing past guests, I have had on the show to get his opinion on the creatures behavior. I told Bob "it would be great to do a show talking about encounters you had in the beginning, when you were mining and living off of the land, before you really knew about these creatures and behaviors you witnessed." Bob shared with me some of the best encounters I have ever heard. Bob also shared with me encounters that other miners had in the area. Bob talked about how the Sasquatches in Colorado are different than the ones in Texas. We discussed not only the physical characteristics but also the behaviors between the two. I am still thinking about some of the stuff he shared with me. Some of the encounters might surprise you. Sometimes it is important to go back and discuss why you got into this field before the days of the online Bigfoot world. If you have had an encounter email me [e-mail]

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wasn't a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given. Let's see him. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at it.

Uh-oh. Welcome to Sasquatch Chronicles, a place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. To the shore, one, thanks for being here tonight on a Monday night. We continue our interview with Bob Garrett. Bob Garrett, and last night Bob and I were talking about the Phantom Canyon, and we'll talk a little bit more about that along with some of the stranger things that you came across, Bob, and thank you again for being here tonight. I wanted to ask you right off the bat, you know, I get a lot of

different encounter stories. I hear a lot of people's experiences, and one of the encounters I wanted to ask you about, I know that you and I have talked about it off the air, but, for the sake of the audience, I had this gentleman on this hunter back probably 10, 15 episodes now, and he had talked about this Sasquatch, had picked up a rock and started banging it against a tree. And as a Sasquatch would do this, it would stop and it would listen, put its ear up against the tree and listen, and then step back and take the rock and smash the tree a few more times. And then finally it pushed a tree down. And it had grabbed a possum out of the deadfall

tree, smashed it against another tree, killing the possum. The Sasquatch then ripped open the possum and basically sat down and ate it. Did you ever observe that type of behavior when you were out mining? Well, we've talked about this before, as a matter of fact, Wes, but yes, They will bang or slap the trees like that. It's typical behavior that I have observed where they are feeding and they're looking for something that's scary inside the tree, and they'll knock it over, and they'll sometimes even use the rock to kill whatever they get.

They'll be looking for larva, and like I said before, pine bar beetles and, you know, wood drubs and even wood ants. You know, they make a lot of noise when you, you know, you go and hit the tree like that and put your ear up to it. Sometimes you don't even have to. You just listen. You can hear them moving. And you can knock it over and it usually falls apart.

The tree itself will fall apart. they can get those, you know, wood ant larvas out, and they eat them, and they eat the wood grubs, and they eat the larvas from the pine bark beetles. I guess they're, you know, omnivores. Is that what you would call them? You know, like a bear. And, you know, like bears eat moth. You know, you can go up and see where, you know, they've turned boulders over and eat those moths.

Well, you know, lo, lo, behold, you know, speaking of what they do, old satswatch, he'll do the same thing. But also, yes, they do do with Knox. They do do with Knox. They do with Knox as communication to say, I'm over here, this is where I'm at, where are you at, you know. It's not all just for communication, also for supper. Yeah, they're feeding just like any other wild animal.

Right, right. You know, Bob, last night we were talking about the Sasquatch that you ran into when you were mining somewhat of a rapport, and I was very fascinated by the encounter. I wanted to ask you, when you were out mining, was that the only creature that you ran into, or did you actually see other ones as well? Oh, I saw a lot of them. One of my other, I mean, this was just a unique encounter. that was basically unique, I guess you might say. As far as other encounters, yeah, I've had close encounters. I had one come out.

I've told a little bit of this before. I've had one come out while I was working a pocket in a creek, and it was across the creek from me. The creek was pretty good size. I just happened to look up and there he was and he was watching me, you know, fan gold and, you know, looking for gold. And I looked back behind me

and my rifle's way back behind me. You know, it scared me pretty good but he stood there. I just, I started saying the large prayer outside I mean, you know, out loud, as loud as I could go. So I started, I sang Puff the Magic Dragon and I sang nursery rhymes and I sang, I sang the Lord's Prayer. I just wanted to keep it, I don't know, it just felt like I needed to do that, you know.

I wanted to keep it interested in not coming to cross. and, you know, tearing my head off. It was way back and forth a little bit and everything, and I would look at it and it would straighten back up. I was trying not to, you know, look at it direct on. I would kind of look up, you know, through my, you know, over my forehead, you know, kind of, you know, to see it. And I just kept panning and kept panning the same damn rocks

and there was sick over and over and over again. I happened to look up. I looked at the shadows on the ground, and it lowered me, this has been almost an hour. I happened to look up at one point, and it wasn't even there anymore. Yeah, you hear about people who have encounters. I've had people on the show before that said they sang songs

or recited the Lord's Prayer or, and I remember I asked one guy I said, why do you think you sang a song? I don't remember the song he sang but he said, I think it was more for me than it was for anything else just to kind of, it was good for the soul, it was good for the psychology

of the situation just to kind of, so I wouldn't freak out is basically why he did it. Yeah, it probably is the same reason. I wanted to hear something. You know, I wanted to hear my voice. I wanted to, I want a noise to be made. I don't know why I want a noise to be made.

That, I think, was my motivation more than anything outside of the fact that I was praying. Yeah, and I don't blame you on that. You know, Bob, when you were out living in the way you were, middle of nowhere, what type of vocals did you hear from these creatures? Oh, much like what I hear now. You know, the, the screams, the, uh, Well, what you would, I guess, you know, kind of like battling, kind of, you know. Oh, like the jibber, the chatter. Yeah, you know, like they're talking real fast or something. Like they're discussing something or whatever or, you know, long-distance communication and a lot of brunt and things of that sort.

They really, I really didn't get a lot of vocalization out of them. As I did the grunning sound, where we used to live, we had a canyon. There was a big cut in the ground, and we used to go up. There was a family group that lived in that canyon that we discovered. And we would go and sit on the rocks above that canyon. I guess it was probably at that point, that part right there was probably about 300 maybe feet deep or something like that, you could hear, you know, their screens and they're, you know, kind of like a well and stuff like that. It's pretty much what, you know, we've given you before.

That's pretty much all the same, except for sometimes it's really, really intense. You know, I've had guests on before. You and I were just talking about it earlier. But, you know, in that situation where the Sasquatch was storing your food, like I said, that's not too far off on their behavior. I mean, I could definitely see something like that going on. But then sometimes you get the other side of the coin. I had a guest on The Insider Edition, and he talked about the Sasquatch being a crazy bag lady. I think he used the term homeless crazy bag lady moments.

Like it would walk and what he would describe. describe is this thing would look like a huge hairy half man half ape or half woman half ape and he said that it would just seem like it was crazy like it was insane he said that early in the mornings it would come down off the ridge top and it would be going through his area and he said what this thing would do was it would gibber and throw its hands in the air kind of like what you'd see a crazy homeless person doing and he said it would almost be like it was yelling at something, and then it would stop, and it would walk, and it would walk another hundred yards or so, and it would stop, and then it would have another crazy baglady moment. It would start, like gibbering, flailing its hands in the air, like it was

yelling at nothing, and then it would go back to walking. Do you think that with these creatures, some of them are just plain nuts? Put it bluntly, I think some of them are prone to mental diseases the same as we are. And the reason why I say that is because that night that Travis and I had been out on the

Long Star Trail in Texas, and that female came in and tried to kill us. She had a meltdown. I mean, just, you know, like a very horrible emotional meltdown. It was like watching an old lady

with Alzheimer's. And I have watched old ladies with Alzheimer's in my family and seeing them have their meltdowns and everything. And it was sad. Also, as well as scary, being six miles

out in the middle of nowhere, for her to do that. And she just sat down and would just scream bloody murder. I don't know how to describe it other than just, you know, insanity. And I have heard also, you know,

many of my Native American friends have also told me that they are prone to, or can be prone to, you know, insanity. They can have schizophrenic tendencies. They can be bipolar, I guess. They they can have emotional problems. And I do believe that. I believe that they can. I believe that they can have our diseases, our cancers, and everything else. I know we assume a lot of times that these things are killing people. I think you and I are on the same page that, yeah, they do kill people and possibly eat them.

Do you think that is a result of possibly some sort of mental disorder? Or do you think that's a result of someone crossing a line or doing something? something that's perceived to be wrong in the Sasquatch's eyes, so it sets it off, and that's what happens to people who cross the line? Well, this is my opinion, and this is my observations, okay? Some of it is my opinion made because of the observations. I believe that we are on the menu a good bit of the time. I believe that, yes, there are bad ones and there are good ones.

There are ones that would never bother you. There are those that don't mind taking your head off and taking you home for dinner. There's some that would don't mind just tearing you to pieces and throwing you up in a tree. there are some that don't want to have a confrontation with you. I fully believe and I have observed the fact that you get too close and you can be toast. You'll pay for it. If you hurt one, you're going to pay for it.

If you shoot at one, even if you don't hit it, you may just very well pay for it. That's why you should just always leave them alone. If you want to observe these creatures, do it in a manner where you're not putting yourself at risk. Do it in a manner where you're not having to get terribly close to. Does that make any sense to you? Yeah.

It makes a lot of sense. You're going to have trouble with them. If you mess with them, you're going to have trouble with them sometimes regardless. You're going to have them observing you. They're going to scream at you if they don't want you in the area. If they have young around, that's dangerous, just like a bear or a cat or any other wild animal. If they have young ones around, like what happened to us here not too long ago out in the field. Was that the story with the game cams? Do you mind telling that story?

Yeah, we went into an area and, you know, where Squatchez had been. Actually, it was where the female was. I believe that she has passed on, actually. It's been over 20 years. But it let us know right away. This email let us know right away that we were encroaching on its domain, I guess you might say. We put up game cams, and we went back in there two days after that, and I got screamed at right there by the truck in the middle, you know, around 11 o'clock in the morning.

I figured that they have something in there, you know, like young ones and females, that he just doesn't want us to be, you know, be missing with. He didn't want us out there. One of our members, Javier, he's a very good tracker, and he went in there. I was resting at the truck. He went down into the meadow area. And he found bedding places,

and he found also very small footprints. They came back up. Javier said, Bob, they got young ones. out there and I said that well you know what I figured they did have illness out there and that male he didn't want us out there he didn't want us messing with it anyway it was also consistent because we got we got some sayings off of the trail cams of young ones you know about five feet tall maybe five six five five whatever because I put the cameras up about six feet and they

They were just below the camera. You know, we got some of them. We got several hundred pictures, actually, of them playing with the cameras. And so I guess Big Daddy didn't want us out there because of that. And what they did was, and I presume this was Big Daddy because the tracks were huge. They pulled up about 15-foot, 20-foot pine trees. they drug them up, crossed them on the trail, and they also crossed some fine limbs on the trail.

They tore down some small trees all around where the camera was, and the footprints that Javier and I were finding were probably 17, 18 inches. That's just telling me that, you know, hey, you guys need to get it. you know, don't leave these toys out here anymore. You guys need to go. The game cam was actually scratched up.

The ones in Colorado, you know, had more of a human-like look to them. The ones in Texas have more of a chimp-like look to them. And I know it's a very vague description I'm given. But did you notice a difference between the two? I mean, did you think in Texas, Jesus, this is nothing like a real. ran into in Colorado.

Well, I was actually amazed at the frequency of the vocals that we got. I was totally amazed and blown away by the frequency of the fighting that we were getting. Yeah, I think they're different. I think their mentality is different. I think if you go into an area as small as the one that we're working in right now and you have them in there, you're going to probably have some trouble with them.

I think if you go in there leaving, you know, things like, you know, what people call offerings and putting up altars and stuff like that, but to them this is saying, you know, I'm taking this area, you know, and you're going to have trouble. with them. I think they think different than the ones in Colorado or up north, put it that way. As far as them looking different, well, you know, they have more than one look here.

They have, you know, the ones that are really, really big and they got the round heads and the little bitty ears. They look kind of, sometimes, you know, some of them look kind of retarded. And I hate to say it that way, but that's what they look like. You know, they bungalids, you know, in their look. some of them look like big old huge bikers until they turn around and it's not a big biker in a coat it's a you know it's a squatch some of them are a little ball-headed they got round heads and they're ball-headed some of them have the chimpanzee look and cross with a rain of tain and maybe something else yeah, they're quite different here in the south.

I think from the Carolinas all the way down to Florida into Mississippi all the way over to the Texas. I think they're quite different. But they do have, we do have the black ones here with the Chronicle Head and they're tall and everything. And most of the time, you know, don't have any problems with them it's the other ones and and if you don't mind me saying so in this one area or if you don't mind me continue going on yeah

please do you have the mic this one area that we have down here now for over 20 years and we're not the only ones that research this area well I've got some very good friends that come in there too this one group the old man he's really big. But he, we came to the conclusion is that he keeps them from messing with the campers that are primitive camping in that area. He doesn't, he doesn't let them or like them to mess with the human beings. And he keeps them on a short leash. And that's, and that's a That's what we have observed and ascertained. Now if you're in the woods in the middle of the night, yeah, they're going to scream at you,

they're going to look at you, they might throw some stuff at you. But the nighttime is their time out there. You know, you can go out there all the time you want in the daytime and in the evening, but, you get out of there by the time it's dark because they're going to be hunting and eating and everything and going down to the creek to drink. And I think that he had enough sense to know or did have enough sense to know that you don't mess with these people. People come out here all the time. They hunt, they fish.

One of the recreation areas is right up the road. Another recreation is right down the trail. There's a game reserve in there and you can't hunt in there and they go in there a lot. I just think that he has kept his group all these years from, you know, messing with the campers, basically, messing with the people, basically. How did you come to that conclusion? Because they never mess with us. The primitive camping area is about an acre, two acres, and you make it into there, and he set up. your camp and everything they may come and look at you but that's your area and

that's where you stay the fact that I can say this the fact that no one has had any complaints or or or come up with injuries or anything like that and like they have in other places in that forest he doesn't seem to mind at all. He doesn't seem to mind that we see him. His group doesn't seem to mind and they seem to stay out of our way. Kind of co-assists together there, you know. We've been in there for over 20 years or so. And Glenn, a good friend of mine, he has been in there with his group for close to 20 years. and never have there ever been any confrontation or any problem whatsoever. They have come into camp now when we're gone. You know, you get in there and you might see them run off.

And that happened to Tim and some of the guys one time before too. And all full seven of them got to see them. It's just a feeling that you get, Wes. These guys, they don't bother you. They don't mess with you. They don't care that you're there. And when you go to other places out there, my God, you try to put up your camp and you're getting things thrown at you.

You're getting screamed at. I mean, I'm glad that they're throwing stuff and screaming at us before we get the tents out, you know? That way we can just go on about our business. And, you know, sometimes you get hurt. I mean, like, they can throw a log, a pretty damn big log, and they can hit you with it. And it'll hurt you. It'll break your bones.

I had some muscles torn in my arm, my shoulder one time, because I got hit with a log. But out there, you don't feel any danger, you might say. You just have no problems with them. Yeah, and I think you and I know firsthand about the log throwing and how they can throw logs. Yeah, you remember that, don't you? Yeah, I remember that really well. You know, one of the things I wanted to ask you, and I got all kinds of emails from people who were wanting to hear from you and love when you're on the show and all kinds of questions. I'd like to tell everybody, I appreciate it very much.

I think they appreciate you being on. One of the guys asked, he asked a question about, did you ever run into any dogman when you were out there mining? And what's your take on the dog man? I never, ever said I've run into a dog man while I was mining. Not ever. Just final squashes. a few wolves, a lot of coyotes, and a bear occasionally, a badger, but never a dog man.

My take on Dog Man is that well up to about a year ago or maybe a little over a year. I honestly never believed in Dog Man. I used to find tracks down here that were strange, and I thought, well, you know, this is something wrong with Squatch. This cannot be, you know, a canine-type creature. I discovered, and I'm not going to tell you how I discovered it, that I'm wrong. I do believe they do exist. I believe they're rare, and I believe I've been finding their footprints from time to time. and I have pictures of those footprints, as a matter of fact,

and I think I've shown them to you. I guess that's pretty much all I have to say about, or all I can say about dog man is, yeah, I think they're real. I never believed in it before, but I've always had an open mind. But I think the prints that I've been finding, yeah, are dogmen. Do you think it's more a canine type? And that's what I was going to ask you. Do you think they're more of a canine-type creature, or do you think it's more of an offshoot of Sasquatch?

I don't think it has any Sasquatch in it at all. I think it's more akin to a dog, to a wolf. Yeah, very canine. Yeah, very canine. I mean, I really don't know what they are, to be honest with you. I think they're pure evil myself. Yeah, and you hear that a lot from witnesses. Evil seems to come up a lot whenever someone's talking about a dog man encounter. One of the other questions, I know there were so many questions, I apologize to the audience, I'm not getting to all of your questions for Bob.

But one of the questions, a guy asked, he said, please ask Mr. Garrett if it has ever crossed his mind that he thinks that Sasquatch is demonic. the reason why I ask a question, they're almost impossible to get a clear image or a clear video of one, yet I believe that people are running into these things. And it's a fascinating question, Bob. I think a lot of people are curious about, you know, you hear so many different things like the glowing red eyes, or you hear about different paranormal things that happen to people in the woods, and they liken it to Sasquatch or they relate it to Sasquatch, even though I don't think it is.

I could be wrong at the end of the day, but I don't think it is. There is a lot of weird things that happen out there in the forest to where I think some people think Sasquatch has to be a demonic entity that isn't really flesh and blood, but when people see them, they think they're flush and blood. Well, you know, my daughter and my wife, they're told me. culture, they have some beliefs that they are demonic and also messengers and also this and also that, you know. To me, I think they can just be mean. I think that they can look mean.

They can just be mean as far as the glowing red eyes. Honestly, the only glowing red eyes I have ever seen are on pigs. because their eyes flow red. Right. However, I think that they're flesh and blood. I think they're unique in many ways. If they do have any type of supernatural abilities, the abilities aren't born from living in the wilderness.

But as far as demonic, I could say that there has been times that I thought about that. It has crossed my mind, but I don't really know what to say about it. I'm confused, I guess you might say a little bit. Some of them are very bad, and that may make them seem demonic, very hateful, bullies. they'll kill you. Some don't really want to harm you. But if you get in the way, they will.

And as far as, you know, getting blurry pictures and stuff like that, well, I got to tell you, I get very few blurry pictures of Sasquatch. I get some really good pictures of Sasquatch. I get some really good videos of Sasquatch. I just don't put them out. I don't think Sasquatch have to be blurry. That's my take on that. Yeah, and I wish you'd release some of that, some of the older stuff that you have, Bob.

You know, I think anyone that's been involved in this topic or has an interest in this topic, at some point the demonic question, I think, comes up. And anyone who has been in this for a long time and that hasn't crossed, or says that hasn't crossed her mind, is lying because I think that does cross people's minds sometimes. You know, there's a lot of situations out in the woods. I'm trying to think of one right now that can come across very paranormal, come across very, I guess what you would call demonic. I'm trying to think of a good example.

But there's other situations, too, that are very natural. You know, I've been outsmarted by a cougar. Cougar was stalking me and Woody and my brother, and we had turned around to go back to backtrack it, and it had turned around and flanked us from the rear. Now it knew that we had turned around and was coming back towards it. it made a maneuver to flank us from the rear, but, you know, I've been outsmarted by different animals out of the woods.

I think as humans, we tend to think we're the smartest thing out there, and that's not really the case. No, you're right, it's not. And, of course, you know, where we live, we don't live in the wild. You know, many of us are city dwellers and small town dwellers and, you know, people like that, and we don't have what they have. And to a fugger, yeah, you're pretty lucky. because to a cougar, you're always on the menu.

Yeah. And I know you've come across cougars and bears out there, haven't you? Oh, yes, I have. I've had it to do with two of them, as a matter of two cougars, as a matter of fact. You ended up killing one, didn't you? I've killed two that have attacked me, yeah. One was up in the Four Corners area. I was down in some canyons, and I had it come on me.

I only had it 22 at that time, and it wasn't even put together, my little survival of 22. And I actually, it tore my shoulders up a little bit, or a good bit, with its claws, because it come up and jumped on me, you know, from the front. If it had been behind me, I think it probably would have got its teeth sunk in my neck, and I probably had a broken neck. but I beat it with a piece of wood that was fairly long and, you know, really hard. It was hard, dried canyon wood. And I beat it pretty good in the head, was able to get a couple of good wax into it. And I meant to kill it, you know. It went off.

And that night, I stayed up pretty much all night and fed wood into the fire. That morning, just as the sun come up, I had gone down. and it was probably about 20 yards from the overhang where I was at on this little ledge that led up to the overhang. And I presume it led to death in the brain. It died. I was, well, to be really honest with you, what I did was I took its pelt and I cooked some meat. Yeah, I don't blame you. And then the other one was here in Texas.

I was up on a big cottonwood, not cottonwood, but a big water oak tree that had gone over, and it was still alive. And I was hunting back in this area that we do a lot of work in also. Anyway, I was hunting. I was up on that tree down there at the base where the big root system was, and was using that as the backdrop or, you know, it's a cover for me, you know, I was deer hunting. And I just felt that tree moved just a little bit.

And just as I turned around to see what had moved the tree, I turned around to see what made the tree sway like that, you know, go up and down. Like I said, you know, it wasn't all the way on the ground. It was, you know, kind of going up, laying over. as soon as I turned around, sure enough, it hit me, and it knocked my rifle out of my hand, and I went down off the tree, and it come down and buggered me up a little bit,

and I got to clean the pine trees. I had a bolo with me, and I could throw a knife. I threw that knife into his ribs, which really pissed him off. Anyway, I was trying to keep... We were racing around the tree, and he kept smacking me on the shins, and I was bleeding, and he had me opened up pretty good on my calves and my legs and on my shins. And from the fall, I had broken a couple of ribs, and I reached down, and I picked up my 30-30, because that's what I was hunting with at the time.

and I turned around real quick as they come around that bay it was a big old pine tree you know you got it wasn't one of a little tiny pine tree this was a big old pine tree as he come around that pine tree he was coming across the bark

you know up about head high and I popped him with that 30 30 he fell down the screen about that time I pumped about three or four rounds into him and he went running into another onto another big

water oak and went up in that tree died up there in the branches of that tree you could hear the blood dripping down dripping down dripping down

the boys my boys you know Travis and Brandon they come up after the shooting was over with and I said because they were

probably about two or three hundred yards away from me and I told them I said gee thanks guys and they say, well, hell, we weren't coming over here while you were shooting like that.

So we could hear all the screaming and hollering, and we knew it was a cougar. We're just going to sit up here in this tree and park to be over with. And I said, man, you guys are really something. And, you know, Brandon says, oh, pop, you know, how we knew you could handle it. They didn't want to get hit with a straight bullet is what it was. you know

and uh anyway brandon he takes his damn boots off and hunting boots off and he's gonna he's shitting up the damn tree I said what he's doing he said I want the felt I said I've torn the felt to pieces get back down here before you break something he reluctantly comes back down

and uh you can hear the blood just dripping drip and dripping dripping and you could see it up there and running down the side of the tree you know the blood anyway they took me to the hospital. You know, a few sutures here and there.

I was just fine. Well, the funny thing is, too, you know, you hear about some of these researchers that go out, and they're like, oh, I never take a gun. You know, Sasquatch is the friendly forest giant. There's no reason to take a gun. And Sasquatch isn't the only thing that'll kill you out in these woods.

No, you've got to be careful. You've got to take use of protection. out there, especially here in Texas, because, I mean, you've got some big, big blunt tails, and people who don't know what a blunt tail is. It's about a five-foot-long water moccasin, and it takes more than a 22 to put them down. And you've got hogs. You know, we've had hogs come at us. We've been treed.

we've had the down, you know, hogs before on one of our areas out here where we're doing our operation Overwatch. We were getting screamed at by a big, big boar. And Javier, you know, he looks at me and I looked at him and he said, he said, fig, you know, screaming at us.

Have you ever been screaming by a pig? You'd think of Sasquatchews are screaming at you. heard that. Then, you know, there's the 600-pound pig that walks that road, that old fire road that we walk in on to the

San Jacenta River. It's got it's about 600 pounds by the look of the hoofs. And you can smell the damn thing because it just gets out of the way. It's got two big wallers there that it wallers in. It'll

go off into the woods and wait for us. to pass. Well, one of these days that big sucker is going to come out on us. Just like Javier said, you know,

it's going to do it sooner or later. It's going to get tired of this. And, you know, you got to be careful. Of course, you know,

we got cougars here not, what, two years ago, we got a cougar on flare in the area that we work.

We got two, we got another one twice on flare across a pond that we worked in, worked by. And, of course, you know, Buku's a bobcats, which, you know, they can give you a little trouble, but they don't want to mess with you anyway.

You know, sometimes we get a wolf. Yes, there's still wolves down here. And then, of course, you got the alligators where we work, too. And the cane breaks, I mean, they don't just, they're just on the ground. They hang in the trees. there's nothing to see, especially in the spring when they're giving birth and everything,

to see, you know, five, six to ten young ones curled up to the trees and mama swallowing a squirrel. So, yeah, there's a lot of things out there

that'll kill you. And then, of course, you know, up up in Colorado in different places like that, you know, I had a bear come right up to my elbow. I was hunting deer and I was sitting in this wall I call it a wall it's a rock wall that runs from miles

and there was a broken place in it and I was sitting there looking down at this meadow and it come up and just you know steamed to be up boy I've made it you a hot breath all over me and all I had was that 22 you know I guess he decided

that I wasn't worth taking a bite of. It was a big old black bear, which is kind of uncommon for black bears. They usually run. But he came up to see what I was doing. When he was satisfied of what I was doing, he just turned around and walked off. As he walked off that way,

I let him get about 20 yards away, and I got off, and I jumped the rest of the way down into the metal. which was about a good 20-foot jump. So, yeah, you want to always keep, you know, at least a pistol with you, get your CHL or get your hunting license down here. You can carry, open carry a pistol if you have your hunting license

and your public hunting permit. And, you know, I suggest that you, you know, take it with you. And, you know, you don't have to be blood, hungriended. or whatever, you know, it's just good because you need the protection. Yeah, Mother Nature doesn't suffer fools, that's for sure. You know, and even if Mother Nature doesn't get you, well, going back to these creatures, you know, they can be very, very unpredictable. I'm still thinking about your encounter from last night.

One of the encounters I was thinking of, though, I had a hunter on one time, Bob, and I know the audience has heard this a million times, but I had this hunter on the show. And what happened to this hunter, he really wasn't doing anything. The guy was out hunting, minding his own business, and the Sasquatch comes out and starts screaming at him, and he, it throws a rock. And that's why I was asking about how the Sasquatch saw a rock, because the way he described it to me off the air was identical to the way you described it. And in that situation, like I said, it might have been territorial, but basically the Sasquatch attacked him. And he ended up shooting it in the head with a 22, and he's pretty sure it didn't kill it.

He didn't think it penetrated to school, but he knew it hurt it. He hurt the creature. It bled. And it went off screaming. You know, you hear about some of these encounters when people are out there in the middle of nowhere, and I can't imagine not being armed in a situation like that. One of the questions I got from a listener, one of the questions someone wanted me to ask you about, was the Albert Otzman story. And I think everyone out there listening probably knows that account. If you don't, I'm sure you can read about it online.

But basically this guy was sleeping in a sleeping bag. Sasquatch picked him up and took him to an area where the rest of Sasquatches were. There's certain things in his encounter where I've always felt like that was a true story. You know, like he talks about the gibber before anyone, you know, really mentioned it. Ever talked about these things chattering?

he describes these things chattering back and forth. And I've always felt like that was a legitimate encounter. One of the listeners wanted me to ask you what your opinion on that encounter is. Well, you know, I've been on the fence on that one for, you know, quite a long time. And I reread the story and I hear it retold and everything many, many times. And I think it's extremely interesting. and some of the aspects of it are quite consistent with watch activity, you know, normal swatch activity, like the way they chatter real fast and talk, you know, in other words, conversing with each other,

the interest in his coffee and what he's doing, the interest in the fire. I believe that that actually happened to him, to be honest with you. I hope it never happens to me. But I believe him. You know, I'm kind of, I've got one foot off the fence. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, and I tend to agree with you on that. I know a lot of people say that they don't believe this story.

But like you said with the chatter, you know, he's talking about these things, gibbering back and forth really fast in kind of a weird monkey chatter. And this is really before anyone talked about them chattering or gibbering. Well, you know, Wes, there's so much out there. There are so many mysteries out there that, you know, most city dwellers, and I hope no one is offended by me saying that, but that's what I call people of the city. city dwellers, little town dwellers, you know, they don't know. And in man's arrogance, they don't want to believe.

You know, oh, this could happen, you know, that can't happen. Oh, you know, people have explored all of this. You know, people have been everywhere in the United States, but that's simply not true. People have not been everywhere in the United States. there's a large portion of the mountains in Colorado that have never been explored fully and there's a large portion of our mountain ranges all over, you know, the cascades

and I think you understand what I'm saying is that there's just so much that people really have not seen I mean much less Native Americans probably haven't seen and much less a white person, you know. Let me ask you this. How many times

has a person truly experienced silence? Very few. That's right. But there's places here in America that you can go and experience true silence. And you would be amazed. how much silence hurts your ears.

I've had people tell me that, yeah, it's so quiet, my ears are ringing. It's so quiet, I can't stand it. But there are places here in our mountains and in our forests that you can go, and the only thing you may hear is the wind blow. And to me, that's the most beautiful sound in the world as far as that goes.

And you have to climb a night or whatever yourself to get used to it. Because if you think about it, people always hear something. You're always hearing your air conditioner. You hear a car, you hear radio. You know,

a lot of people sleep with their radios going. There's always a noise. But you get out there where there's true silence where very few people go and it's deafening to a lot of people, sometimes almost scary. I didn't mean to get off on that.

I was just saying. Yeah, no, you're fine, Bob. You know, it's something to where I've always said, it'd be nice to make enough money in life to go live in the mountains and never have to talk to another person or never have to see another person. So, I mean, I completely understand what you're saying.

You know, and there's a lot of weird things out there, too, in the woods. I got a few questions for you. People wanted me ask you about some of the, I guess what we call quote unquote paranormal stuff that happens out in the woods. And it got me thinking as I was reading this question, when I was a kid, there's a place up towards Mount St. Helens. And I want to say it's called like Washington's Vortex. And I'm sure my mother still has the picture.

But you walk, it's this really weird place. You walk, there's a cabin there. And it's kind of a tourist trap right by Mount St. Helens. And as you walk into this cabin, it's service. survive the blast and it still has all of the food in there. It's still, it's almost like a time capsule. But it's called Washington's Vortex. And if you walk into that area with a compass,

your compass will just spin and spin and spin and spin. But in that area, there's, as you walk into this little cabin, and I don't know what causes this, but they tell you to take a picture while you're standing inside this cabin. And you walk in, you, and everyone, you feel like you're all standing up straight and they snap a picture. but everyone's standing at an angle, but when you snap the picture, you feel like you're standing up straight. And it's just this weird place, and I'm sure there's other places like it around the country,

but it's just this weird place that you run into. While you were out there mining and hiking all around the country, did you ever see anything that we would consider, I guess, paranormal or anything strange out there while you're in the woods? Well, yes. When you live close to the land like that, and like the Native Americans do, like I did, and other people have, I mean, I'm not the only one. I mean, there's people up there right now living exactly the same life I live. When you live out there and you live so close to the land and you're out there every day,

this is where you live. The stars is your canopy, you know? Yeah, I've seen the ords. I don't know what they are. I can't explain it. My wife would explain it, of course, to her culture as woodland spirits. She warns me of not messing with them, and I don't want to mess with them. It's not what I do.

I don't like the paranormal. I have experienced it out on the land, but I don't like it. And I have seen the orbs. I know that they're real, and I've talked to many on it. who come up and, you know, admit that they do have seen the orbs themselves. Yes, I've had paranormal encounters out on the land. If you like, I can give you one particular thing that, you know, happened to me out there. Yeah, please do.

I came out of Mesa Verde area out off the Ute reservation there, and I came into Mesa Verde. Mesa Verdi, and I'll came down, that switched back. If anybody's ever been to Mesa Verde, I walked that switchback with all that traffic, all those RVs and everything coming down, and you're going to say, oh, my God, if you've ever been out there. Was this in Utah? No, no, that's in Colorado. It's outside of Durango.

Anyway, I took a canyon that I thought was still BLM land. And some of it was. And I walked several days through these canyons, this series of canyons. I got to where I was on, I had found a trail. And it was so amazing, West, because the trail had been cut in by feet. So many thousands of years of use had actually, I guess, just melted into that rock. And you could see the feet,

really, and truly you could see where the feet had come down. You could see the indentions and everything. And I just love these old places, you know. As I walked, I wondered about the people who had walked there, you know, way before me. And I wondered if I was one of the first people in maybe hundreds of years to walk

that trail again. and it pretty much gave me cold chills. But I had found an area where you could see, you know, the wind and the rain and everything. And the soil had, you know, come over, but there was definitely a campfire there, and it was old. I mean, this was ancient. And the ring was still there. And, you know, I fixed the ring back up. And I put my campfire there.

And the first night, I heard voices, and I heard the whisper of feet. You know, it's just mops and whispered feet as they walked past. You know, it was quite amazing. It was a little scary, of course, you know, because I don't like paranormal. And the second night, I decided that I wouldn't put my campfire back in that old. old ring, I would make me a new one and I put my campfire, you know, in that one. I was asleep and I heard this noise. It sounded like my coffee pot, my teapot.

And I looked up, and when I looked up, I swear to God, there was an old man, some type of Indian. I had no idea what he was, and I thought that I should speak to this man, and then I realized that I could see through this man, and he was sitting by my fire, and then he was gone, and I thought, oh, holy cow, you know, I just saw a ghost.

You know, it stays with me today. I mean, nothing was really bad happening or anything, but he was just there. And I thought to myself, you know, this is what he did. He camped here, and he sat by his fire. I spoke to a friend of mine, her name is Jen, and she's a ghost on her. And she, you know, told me that, you know, some of that's probably residual. And, you know, explained to me what that was. and, you know, it made sense.

And, you know, I know that, you go into an old building, you know, back from the 1700s where lots and lots and lots of people, you know, had lived their life and had been in there and a lot of things had taken place and everything that, you know, I mean, when it's real quiet and everything in there, you might hear something. You might hear voices. I don't know why it does that and why it sticks, you know, around like that. but I guess it does. And I moved on.

And that's one reason why I don't pick up anything. I don't pick up any of the arrowheads that I find. Just never once in a while I might, you know, take something, and I put it in this pouch that I've got. And I have a few things in there and some few rocks and scrapers, some broken stone knives and things like that. but I try not to pick it up and on this particular time

you know I was out where they Pana Sossi, you know, were I had no idea how long these things have laid there I had found a place where they had chipped a lot of rock and, you know, I found a, you know, a chipping hammer

I found some old arrowheads I found, I even found a hide scraper what I figured was a hide scraper at all, you know, where they made the punch holes into buckskin and stuff into their hides that they rendered and everything.

And I just could not pick it up because how long had it laid there and the wind has covered it up and uncovered it? How long has those things been there? I just couldn't pick it up. It just hit me that, you know,

It wasn't right. And I just, you know, I don't think it's right to mess with the dead either, you know, to dig up these bones and everything. But I don't know. People might say I'm silly or something, but that's just the way I felt about it. And so I left it. And that's when, you know, I finally found my way up into an Anasi ruin. And when I got up there, well, you know, the Anazi ruin, you know, were the scrapers. where they, you know, are grinders that they grind their corn and other, you know, things with.

You know, I found things like that up there. And the corn, you know, there was still corn kernels stuck inside of those grinders. And I found, you know, a corn crib that had, you know, still had little tiny corns in it. And, you know, they were dried. You know, like I told you, you know, I could probably use the proposting. car. You know, at night, you know, I've stayed up there for about two or three months. And at night, I could hear things that I know, you know, had to be residual or ghosts, you know, spirits, whatever you want to call it. But it didn't really bother me. I wasn't camping inside

any of the ruins or anything. I was outside. were the spring that ran. There was a big old spring that ran down there and made a couple of waterfalls and good sweet water and I was camped there. I thought it was more respectful to the dead or to whatever, you know. And yes, I've had a lot of Native American

influence in my life and that seemed the right thing to do. It was amazing, you know, staying there for those months that I stayed there and up on top you could see where up on top of the mesa or the canyon you could see where they had farmed and there were still little pieces of little little corn plants here and there and everything's been new little little things you know and stuff like that and you know it's just totally all amazing and to me I thought to myself how long has it's been here how long have these things reseated this

themselves. You know, how long has the anesthesia been, you know, been gone? How long did they live there? You know, a thousand years, 800 years, a thousand years, two thousand years, I don't know. But it was just utterly amazing because it was just like they were still there in a way. And I know that doesn't have anything to do with Sasquatch, but yeah, you know, that's kind of the paranormal things that I run into out there. Well, no, I think that's important to talk about. You know, there is weird things that happened. I had a guy one time who had a status watch encounter, and then we got off air, and he said,

you know, Wes, I want to tell you about this that happened to me. He ended up sleeping in the old Indian burial ground, and he ended up staying the night there. That's not what I won't do. Yeah. Well, he made that mistake, and he said that he heard what sounded like he was a woken at night and what sounded like old Indian language of a bunch of Indians all talking in the middle of the night. He would hear stuff run through his camp and there was nothing there and he decided to get out of there. But you know, it's like I always said, I really think that

stuff goes on. I really do. People, you know, will say, well, they don't believe in that. But I think that stuff goes on. I really do. I think there's weird stuff like the orbs. You know, who, whoever thought that people would see orbs in the forest, but yet, I mean, I can produce about a thousand emails of people who say

they saw these orbs out running around in the forest, flying around in the forest. A lot of that goes on. You know, it kind of goes back to what I was asking about, the glowing red eyes that people see. And they, they don't necessarily see a Sasquatch with glowing red eyes, but they'll see an outline of a figure

that's about seven to eight feet tall. all with glowing red eyes, and they think it's automatically Sasquatch. But to me, I think that's something more demonic. You know, there was an entity in some of the biblical writings about a demonic figure that would, they had glowing red eyes that people would run into out in the woods, up in the mountains, they'd run into this entity that had glowing red eyes. And it was a demonic entity that they'd run into in the forest. I don't think that has anything to do with Sasquatch.

I don't either Wes I don't believe that there are wards and everything have anything to do with Sasquatch I think it's a whole different bottle of wax

basically Yeah you know A lot of these people They see the glowing red eyes And do I believe them Yeah I do I think they probably ran into something weird out there Do I think it was Sasquatch related?

I don't But I do believe that they ran into something They are describing Something that they're running into I was just going to say there are things out there when you live out there like I did

and even some of the hunters that go out there and they spend a lot of time a lot of the old prospectors a lot of those prospectors today if you could get some to come on you know they might could tell you some tales

but you're out there on that land you're out there you're not anywhere near a town or a city, you're just out there. And this is all open land, all open forest. And things happen out there.

I mean, they don't just stand out there. The trees don't just stand out there alone. There's stuff out there. And, I mean, there's stuff that I've seen in the skies. I've seen come down and go through, you know, canyons in high meadows and stuff like that that I can't explain. there's stuff out there that's all I can say is that there is stuff

out there and there are some bad stuff out there too like what you're talking about I believe that demons also walk that country as you were saying you know you know something demonic I believe that

I mean I totally believe that I've had some run-ins with paranormal things that you know I just I just really hate paranormal. And that's one of the reasons why. I don't like it. I would rather deal with a Sasquatch than deal with ghost or something demonic or whatever. Put it that way. Yeah, a Sasquatch can bleed.

But there's things out there. Yeah, people should need to believe that there are things out there. I'm beginning to understand it a little bit more about why... You know, this topic is a funny topic because when you're talking to even some of the Native Americans, they'll call it the Forrest Brother or their friendly forest giant. And then you talk to some other Native Americans, and they'll tell you it's a cannibal. They'll rip your head off, it'll eat you. Yeah, or the giant rapist or... Yeah, or the giant rapist or, you know, and they'll give it different...

The kidnapper. The kidnapper, yeah. And I think a lot of that has to do with people's experiences with these things. I mean, to be honest with it, I think some of the Native Americans are just as confused as we are in the sense that everyone has a different story based on their own experiences. Yet I believe all of their experiences. Does that make sense? I mean, it makes sense. It's kind of like...

Because, you know, the Native Americans, of course, they live their life on the land. and they still do, and they still have that spiritual awareness that a lot of people, a lot of white people don't have. And I guess that's what I was trying to talk about or trying to, you know, relay is that, you know, I do have that spiritual awareness, you know, from being out there and living out there like I did. And so do they, you know, they understand

the spiritual world a lot more, a lot better than, you know, Anglos do, as they call us. You know, you go out there on the land and you'll see stuff. You will hear stuff that aren't have anything to do with Sasquatch. You know, you'll feel things.

You'll get... Well, you know, like I told you, you know, when I was in the Four Corners area, I was down in some of those canyons and I was sitting up on... Actually, I was sitting up on one of the canyon walls. looking down, you know, looking for a way to get down into the canyon. The air did something really weird.

It shook. The air, I mean, that's the only way I could describe it is that it shook. It shook all around me and all around. And it kind of had a shimmy to it, shimmer to it. And it didn't last very long, but when it was over with, I didn't recognize where I was at. You know, the trees were wrong that were down in the canyon. You know, some of the rocks were wrong. And, you know, I couldn't find my camp.

And, you know, I camped that night up on the rim of the canyon. And, you know, I had made a new camp and everything. I didn't know where my pack was. I didn't know where anything was. I was just totally turned around. And sometime in the night, you know, I woke up because it was doing it again. And when it was over with and done, my camp was about 20 feet away from me, my original camp. And how do you explain that?

How do you explain that? You can't explain that to people. And I found out that, you know, other people have had those same experiences. It's just something that I don't very easily talk about. It's very personal, actually. and it really is to me very personal. But this is what really happened. And I had some Native Americans, who I know,

actually explained this to me. They called it like a similar to a skyquake in a way. An earthquake. Like you have an earthquake, where you have an earthquake. I never heard anything like that before. but they were familiar with it. They had a word for it, you know, in their language. And it's something that they don't talk about very often,

especially the Anglos. It's kind of like when it's done, you're in a whole different place. And this has happened to me about two or three times out there, especially in the canyon lands around the four corners. Yeah, totally disoriented. Everything looked different. It was almost like everything was wrong. like you were in a different place somehow.

Yeah, I think what you're referring to, Bob, is it's called the skyquake. I think that's what you're referring to. And it's a real phenomenon that goes on on this planet. I think even Lewis and Clark talked about it. And kind of the same thing as you're describing is what they described. And they talked about the feeling of getting disoriented. Well, I was just going to say, and that's how it was explained to me, was that, you know, I was actually kind of lucky because,

Sometimes when that happens, they say people don't come back. There's stuff out there that we don't understand. When you experience it, you don't understand it, and you try to put it away. And if you tell it in our arrogance, we don't believe people who tell you these things. Or are we scuff at them, you know? There's things to be learned about the natural world that we don't understand. And I always say this to everybody that I meet, especially young kids who were demoralized or, you know, just don't understand what they were fighting for and things like that. I don't go on a walk about, you know.

Just go out there and climb a mesa. Go up there and fan some gold and stay out there for a few months, you know. You don't have to winter out there out there. or anything like that. You know, just go for the summer. Take a walk around. You know, it's very spiritual. I think all young people need to get out of the city

and spend a few months out there in the natural world. I think that it would be better for them. I don't know. Some people might not get anything out of it, but I think a lot of people would. I'm sorry, I don't need to be preaching. No, you're fine. Bob.

You know, and that's kind of one of the things why I hate to even say this, especially after the Bigfoot saving your life story. I'm going to feel like a real bastard saying this, but, you know, that's why I really want one of these things shot and brought in so that we could end this mystery and move on to the next. Yeah, but I hope nobody shoots any of them except for the main ones. They can come shoot the main ones down here. But yeah, you're right.

You know, yeah, I suppose that I guess you'd have to have a body to stop all the hell of blue. Hallibout blue, I guess you might say. And the thing about it is is that, you know, you got to do, I guess you'd have to do it all in secret and everything. And, you know, don't let anybody see it until you get up to a television station or whatever and then, you know, let people look at it. maybe have a veterinarian or a couple of doctors with you to verify that this is real. And the thing about it is, Wes, you know, I don't mind talking about them. I don't mind getting their sounds. I don't mind doing a lot of that stuff.

But in a lot of ways, I don't really care if Sasquatch has ever proved to be real. I know that they're real. And, you know, people are arrogant and they're not going to, you know, believe anything. you can bring a body in and show it on TV, and they'll still be stuffers. You know, there'll still be people that, you know, hate you for bringing it in. There will still be people who believe it's fake,

and then the rumors start and everything. And, you know, I just say leave it to be. Just leave it be. You know, they're fine where they're at, and we're fine where we're at. And anybody who wants to go out there and live, like I did, you know, I think it's a good life. I think they'll learn a lot of stuff.

They'll be amazed what they'll see. And they may not even see a Sasquash. They may never see one. But then again, they might. But I know they'll see other things, and they'll have other feelings. And by the time it's over with, they'll have a respect for Mother Nature.

Mother Nature is a very harsh teacher. She can either teach you and help you survive and you've got to get that lesson down or either she will kill you. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Bob, thanks for coming on the show. I really do appreciate it. I enjoyed talking with you, even though some of it wasn't really Sasquatch related. It was fun hearing the stories from when you're out there mining.

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