Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP 30: [phone] Open Phone Lines

Episode Date: May 5, 2014

Despite my better judgement we will have an open phone lines night...LOL. I have made it a personal rule to take as little calls as possible and try to provide the entertainment for listeners but so many people are calling in to try to ask questions I thought I would dedicate a show to answering questions and taking your calls.

When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. Number one, what are you reporting? Get somebody out here.

What's going on now, sir? That's the son of a bitch is about six foot. Yes, I'm looking right here. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Radio. Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. This episode is brought to you by audible.com. Go to audible trial.com forward slash bigfoot hotspot for your first 30-day trial and a free downloadable book. So tonight we have a special call-in show. I wanted to welcome. I know last couple weeks we've had so many people call in. and a lot of people wanting to share their encounters, we decided to do kind of a special call-in show.

So if you have an encounter, you want to share an experience, questions, comments. The call-in number is 646-716-8791. And it looks like we have a long list of people that have called in already. So if you're on hold, just hold tight. We'll get to you. Before we actually get to the phone calls, I wanted to mention next week we have Justin's Seeley on the show. He's a director of a new movie called Hunting the Legend. It's kind of a, looks like a Bigfoot horror flick. But I wanted to, I wanted to go ahead and play the trailer teaser for you.

Yeah, I guess this place is kind of, it's known for Bigfoot. Everybody has a story. I've always believed in Bigfoot. Half of them don't say anything. They don't want people to think they're crazy to. Like somebody knocking on wood, it started up on top of their meal. I heard this god-awful sound. And he made this awful growling cry. And the hair on the back of my neck stood up. He smelled like wet dog and blood.

I look over and there's this big black figure. I mean, it was just gigantic. It was tall. It was like eight foot tall. Reddish fur. When he passed by, like the moon disappeared for a few seconds. It was that big. It was more human than anything.

And it was walking with this. My name is Chris Cope. If there is something out there, that's actually a cast. Looks like a pretty good movie. I don't know if you've not seen the trailer yet. Well, I went ahead and threw it off on Facebook for everyone. I'm kind of excited to have them on the show. Yeah, you should be a good guest.

That trailer, if that doesn't get your attention, I don't know what will. Yeah. Yeah, it looks like a good movie. I'm pretty excited about it. Well, as I mentioned before, we're doing a live call-in show to share your encounters. I'm not a huge fan of doing these type of shows just because it's nice to kind of talk to the guest and prior to speaking with them.

And a few of these I have talked to just before we went on air. But the first one I wanted to bring on was Ted, and I wanted to have him share his encounters. Let me bring him on the line here. Hey, Ted, how are you doing tonight? I'm doing fine. How are you doing? Oh, we're doing pretty good. Doing pretty good.

I have Will in line with us. Hi, Ted. How are you? Good to meet you, Will. Appreciate you coming on the show, Ted. Why don't you go ahead and tell us about you? Now, you had a daytime sighting, but you had a siding where you saw the creature, didn't you? Got a pretty good look at it?

Yes, yes. One encounter was a siding was, you got a very good look at the creature. Maybe I should call it something else, but it's hard to put a name on it, Bigfoot, Sasquots, whatever. But all I know is quite a size to it, you know. Now, what were you doing prior to having the encounter? I was actually driving home. Where I live at is basically the foothills of the Cherokee National Forest. and I've had numerous things happen up in the woods

and maybe a few questions on my own towards the park rangers over here around the High Watsy River if I could even get one of them to be honest with me there's a trail, a very well-known trail, the trail of tiers that runs through a portion of eastern Tennessee and, you know, in 1996, I went up on that trail and decided to hike it because I wanted to go up into North Carolina. And I didn't get very far that day. It wasn't, I didn't start my journey out real early.

I probably started out about 10.30, 11 o'clock in the morning. I probably should have started earlier. in the hiking sense. Because like I said, I didn't get very far. I got about three miles up the trail. I was by myself. Probably the wrong thing to do because I do know that there are bears and there's mountain lions in this region as well.

Of course, I know how to spot things in the woods fairly easy. And I can read signs. I've been in and out of the woods my whole life. But on this particular day, weird, and now you're taking me back to it. The same way I did that day. When I got up on that trail in that part of the trail, I was way away from the river. The woods were nice and quiet. I was walking along.

And I seen a shadow. If you ever been in the woods and the sun's setting on one side of you, and the tree shadows are on you on one side, and maybe on the ground in front of you, everything's nice and peaceful. And then all of a sudden I seen a shadow just dark, right in front of me. And immediately I thought, it's not a bird. It's got to be a bear or a mountain or something of that nature. And I start looking up towards the direction of the shadow.

And, of course, all I could see was the sunlight beaming through the trees in my eyes. And I tried to put shadow in my eyes where I could see a little bit better. and I was still, I was listening, started hearing walking, like a man walking through the woods. I know what a deer sounds like, any four-legged animal. I know what they sound like in the woods. This was no four-legged animal. That startled me because that portion of the woods, I mean, you're either with someone or you're alone. And where I was parked at the parking area, there were no other vehicles when I was.

parked up there. My truck was the only one sitting there when I started in the trail earlier that day. And I started getting a little spooked and thought, well, there's somebody else out here. Maybe they're hiking in from the North Carolina side, and I'm fixing to walk up on somebody, or I'm going to see somebody. And I didn't walk very much further, probably another 200 feet up the trail. And whatever it moved on my right, I could hear it off. distance and it was circling around me in front of me on the trail, but way up ahead of me, probably another couple, two or three hundred feet, just far enough in the woods where you really couldn't see that well.

And then it come back over to my left side, and there's a ridge on my left as well. I'm kind of in a valley a little bit. That trail is kind of in a valley in that section before it comes out of that valley, and then there's a rock cliff that you have to climb to get down. And I do know there's some caves up there because I've been in several caves in the past. And I wanted to get up there because there's a good view. And I wanted to get past that rock cliff part, get a little further. I stopped and I was listening.

And whatever was running up on the left side of me now was running to me. And the footsteps were heavy. and I hollered. I got scared and I yelled. I said, hey, it stopped. And I walked up the trail probably about 30 foot. And I didn't know what it was. I had no knowledge of Bigfoot at the time.

I'm looking to try to see if I can see anything, any kind of movement or anything going on, but it was nothing then. It was just still quiet. Birds weren't even chirping. But normally when you walk a trail, you hear birds and everything's nice and pleasant. It was dead still quiet. So I started, I turned around because I got scared.

I never really been scared in the wood. I didn't have a gun on me. It wasn't hunting season, of course. When I started back out of there and thought, well, I'm going to do this another day, maybe I'll bring somebody with me. And all these thoughts are running through my head. And it was like I was confused. because I started out of there and then I was worried, confused, whatever it was when I started walking on that trail back out, it would walk with me.

And there was no leaves, there was no leaves on the trail. So my footsteps, I was fairly quiet walking. And I did test the theory of stopping to see what it was would keep walking. When I stopped, it stopped. I've done that approximately three times, and I started hearing the faint sound of the river because I was eating back towards the river some. This went on, mind you, for probably an eighth to a quarter of a mile. And when I started hearing that river, I couldn't help myself, but I broke in a run.

I'm six feet. I'm 43 years old now. I can outrun all of my teenage kids still. I stay in really good shape. At that time, I was only 26 years old. I hit that trail, and I didn't look back. But the footsteps never went away. As I was running, it sounded like a pounding or a heavy heartbeat

because that's how close they were. The ridge on the, mind you've turned around, that ridge is on the right of me now. And it got a little bit steeper on the trail, even though the trails down below, up high, you can only, you know, site was very limited. I could look up and I could only see about 20 foot. And then the way it crested over that hill, you couldn't see no more.

The only way to see was to actually climb up there. And there was no way I was going to climb up on that ridge to see what was chasing me. And I made it back to about, ran for about a mile and a half without stopping. and I stopped about quarter to a half a mile before I got out of there and I started leaning, I got up on rocks on the edge of the edge of the water and trees were hanging over the edge of the water so I'm holding on and I'm leaning back looking up and I'm trying to see what it was because when I stopped

even though I could hear that rushing water those switch steps they conquered over that rushing water they were that loud but when I stopped it stopped and I couldn't see I stood there for about five minutes looking and gazing through some of the treetops to see if I could see any trees shaking

any leaves falling off the of that steep kind of hill there nothing what I done was I walked back to the edge of it got away from the river and I hugged the rocks and I creed side of it and I creed silently for a little ways until I started to see the parking area and the bridge.

And when I seen that bridge, there wasn't nothing stopping me. I broke at a run, and when I hit my truck, I never looked back. I never got a glimpse, an actual glimpse of what was chasing me that day. I did see a shadow move on the ground, and I know what I heard. It was pretty frightening when you don't see, when you hear something and you don't see it, more scary, I think, than actually know there's something there. And even that day, after all that happened, I still didn't have hardly any knowledge of Bigfoot at all. Moving forward to 1998, that was in August of 96.

It was towards the end of the summer close to our family reunion. I only remember that because the family reunion was really close to that. And then in July of 98, I went back up on that trail, but I went on the opposite side of the river. I had those same feelings on the opposite side of the river, but I didn't get near as far. I felt like I was being watched. That was the last time I've been up on that trail on July of 1998. I won't even let my children go up there, and they ask me all the time, Daddy, let's go up on the trail. Well, the park service has that trail shut down.

and they've got it shut down, I believe, for a reason. They closed that trail. Actually, that trail is closed when I went up there in 96 and in 98. There was a sign hanging that said, do not walk the trail, no trespassing. I'm there to walk the trail. I'm thinking, you know, that trail is pretty historic, you know, to the people of this country. But yet the Park Service has that. trail shut down. There's a lot. There's another, there's a couple more things that's going on.

I really want to tell you about, I'm going to save that to the very end, but in 2012, the day after Thanksgiving, I was hunting about two miles from there, three miles roughly. The property kind of joins the Cherokee National Forest. About 200 acres of farmland in between his hunting property and that Cherokee National Forest. And, I was in an area that me and my uncle never hunt. I didn't know why my uncle never hunted it until after this day that I was up. And I went hiking up on top of a ridge and I found a good hunting spot. That's where I wanted to go next morning.

At about 4 o'clock the next morning, I started up. It took me almost an hour to get to where I wanted to go. I get up there and I'm hanging out in my hunting spot. I picked out the day before, and I started hearing noises in a thicket back behind me that, and I remember my uncle telling me, Ted, we don't really need to go past that thicket, and I didn't know why until after the... As I'm sitting there, I know I made quite a bit of noise getting up there, but I heard something running away from the thicket on both sides of it.

It was kind of to the back and to the right of me. And I was thinking, you know, what the world is that? You know, I know I'm the only one out here because this is private land. And I actually flipped my safety off. My gun was loaded. I was ready to go. And I was expecting to see a hunter, an orange kind of in a, it was about a quarter to a half a moon that morning. And I was going to get on to somebody to tell them, hey, you know, you're on private property.

Well, as I'm looking back over my right shoulder, looking back at this thicket wondering what is going on back here, I could see a shadow, a big shadow. It stepped out of that thicket towards me, but was standing about probably around 30 yards from me back to the right sort of behind me. You have to explain to me what it was. when I took off of that hunting spot where I had picked out of it, there was a tree that was falling down up there. And what made me pick that spot was there were beds around this tree that looked like deer beds I thought were deer beds. But after thinking back on it, I believe I got into an actual Sasquatch bed

and didn't know it. But as I was hiking up that morning, I do believe, that I might have startled it or several of them. And it caused them, I moved them out of their beds, I believe. Because as I'm sitting here realizing what I'm looking at, I mean, you could see the figs here, plain as day in the moonlight at about 30 yards. I was mesmerized. Couldn't move for just a few seconds.

but when it dawned on me what it was, when I jumped out of that tree, I must jump 20 foot. And I started back down that mountain, kind of in a holler. I've never run that fast in all my life. And I started thinking about what was just happening to me. Well, the footsteps behind me,

the footsteps back to the right of me, and then what was standing back there come out of that thicket, I think I was being surrounded. They were trying to get around me. But these legs are quick. When I made it to my truck, and as soon as I opened my truck door, I could hear something crashing through the woods to the left of my truck up on a hill. You got to remember it took me almost an hour to get up there,

but it took me up at about 10 or 12 minutes to get to my truck. That's how scared I was. and as I'm listening to the sound to the left of my truck trying to get my door open and trying to unload my gun so I don't shoot a hole in my floorboard, I hear this loud cracking noise and something come flying through the woods over my head and over my truck and landed in the road behind me and I jumped in my pickup and started it up

and I tore out of there and as I flipped my headlights on, it was a log. it was about three feet long, it looked like it was broken in the middle, like something had picked it up, and it either slapped the side of a tree, or it just threw that one piece, and it come crashing through the woods over me and my truck.

I quickly got out of there. Well, I went straight to my uncle's because my uncle's supposed to have been there. We were going to meet up that morning and go hunting. But I got there early. I went to his house. I woke him up, said he wasn't going to come out there until about daylight, and I explained to him what happened. That's when he pulled his phone out and some pictures out,

and he started showing me pictures of 14, 15, roughly inch footprints he's finding in there around the creek. And I said, why didn't you tell me about this? And he said, why didn't want to speak you? He said, you're my hunting partner. I said, you're a hunting partner about lost it this morning. I said, I could have got hurt and maybe even killed, but we went back out there together. I didn't even go in the woods. I told you, and I said, I don't care if you got a gun, we got the Army with us.

I'm not going in there. And that's the last time I hunted was the day after Thanksgiving in 2012. I just won't go back in. I had got a glimpse of that figure. not only that there's a house about two miles down the road that when you turn off the highway to get back into the hunting property

there's an old woman that had passed away in the nursing home and her son he up keeps that house and the electric is still on there, still have lights, there's motion lights on the corner and one night driving through coming home as I'm approaching that house I notice

the motion lights on that house had flicked on. And it caught my attention, so I'm looking at the house. At the corner of this house, this is the sighty. At the corner of this house, a monster. I mean, eight foot tall, as I'm slowing down, looking at what I'm looking at, it's almost like it takes your breath. it was it was it was huge I mean its head come to the gutter

the top of its head it had to have been four and a half five feet wide at the shoulders it looked like an athlete it was amazing and when I seen that I actually got a little sick in my stomach even though I was in awe of it

because I thought to myself if those if that is what is in the woods here I'm definitely done. There's no way. You can't outrun it. You can't talk it down if you piss it off. I think that everybody needs it.

How far away from the creature were you when he saw it? About 60 yards. And was this during the day? No, it was during the night. It was during the evening because, yeah, I was on my way home, and like I said, that house there, it sits out on the highway, and then right in you pass that house, probably an eighth of a mile, you'll turn on a county road that runs back into my

uncle's property. There's only that house and one other house that's probably 300 yards behind that one, on the same county road going back into the property that are the only two houses on that road. It's a desolated area back in there. A lot of it, like I said, a lot of it. of that land is hunting property. There's roughly, I would say, somewhere around 20 to 25,000 acres. Various people own different portions of land for hunting property only.

There's about 250 acres, roughly, between all of that hunting property and the Cherokee National Forest. Yeah. You know, and... What was the creature doing? Was it looking in the windows? Or, I mean, is it just standing by the... He was looking in a window. and he was kind of turned not completely sideways,

but he was actually facing the window. And I already know that that house is empty. But when the motioned to you when you came along, it did not. It steadily looked in the window. And the motion light, when it kicked on, that's what caught my intention. And when the motion light kicked on,

it was, if you're standing in a shadow in a light, it was about a foot in the shadow of that light, but the lights, the motion lights kicked on on both corners of the house. He was very visible. You could make him out real easy. So it's kind of hard to explain him standing in the shadows facing. He wasn't actually facing. He was kind of turned probably at a 40-degree angle looking in that window.

And as I'm looking at this thing standing, I'm thinking, what in the world? Am I seeing what I'm seeing? And, you know, it's just amazing. I mean, really it is. He might even been closer than 60 yards. But I do know one thing. I slowed down to about 35 miles an hour, 30, 35. And as soon as I got just past it, I sped right up real quickly.

I was not going to stop. There's no way. Because then you got an actual, I could see the fingers on its hand. The ridges on the top of its feet. You know how the bones are on the top of your feet? I had to imagine, you know, this thing had to wear at least a size 18 shoe. Very thin at the way. So you could see the muscles and the thighs.

You could see the calf muscles. He wasn't standing up straight. He had a slouts to him. His hands, fingers were long. I think his fingers were, they had to be six, seven inches long, his fingers. You can make his hands out really good.

Matter of fact, his finger tips probably he wouldn't have to reach down to even scratch his knee. Yeah. The head was small. Wide. shoulders, four and a half, five feet wide.

The thing looked like he was wearing shoulder pads. But you can see the muscles in his upper back and neck. We actually really wasn't no neck at all because it looked like the back muscles went completely to the top of the head. Yeah, and the head sits a little lower into the shoulders. Yeah, because the head was, so as those back muscles look like they come all the way up, it's like the head is dropped down in the front exactly and when I was looking at this I was like

you got to be kidding but I'm glad I got to see one you know you made an interesting remark when you talked about seeing that that's something that's exactly what I saw you know if if this thing would have turned around and put his feet in the light there probably would have been

hardly no hair on the feet at all Yeah, that's kind of what I noticed, too. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's funny you mentioned. And even the hands, and even the hands, seeing the fingers like I did, I think that there would be gobs of hair hanging off the arms and hands. There wasn't. This thing was very refined.

I would say the hair on it probably wasn't no longer than probably some are around two inches, two and a half inches. Right, right. The hair was not real long at all. I mean, you could make out the muscle. on this guy. He was definitely built for business. When you look at the pattern?

You know, with the encounters in 96, 98 up on the high-wassee, and even the one back in 2012, I really still didn't have no knowledge of these creatures at all. I didn't really start researching the Internet and found your radio show. Thank goodness. Now I know I'm not the only crazy person running around the earth. You're glad you found us too.

And, you know, there's something very strange over here. I mentioned a few minutes ago going on over here around the Cherokee National Forest about these park rangers shutting that trail down. About seven years ago, we had a little girl, God bless her soul, she was killed up there in the state park. And, you know, I don't know what killed this little girl. But the strange part is, is the park service here brought in a team from California to hunt what they claim was a bear. Do you know how many bear hunters? Do you know how many bear hunters live in East Tennessee alone?

Yeah, because we know these woods over here. Exactly. You know, we know the way of the land. We know what they eat, where they sleep. you know like I said I've crawled in several caves in this area and found beddings up in the and of course I assume these are these are bare beds of course you wouldn't really know unless you actually hung out in the cave and waited for something to crawl in there and that's something I am not going to do let me ask you a quick question like they were pushed down on purpose

you're talking about the ones up on the hunting property yeah was that in they just in Was it material brought in? The beds were around this huge, huge tree that had fell down. I don't know if the tree fell down from dying or it was an old tree, a lightning got it. I don't know. But what made me pick that tree was the way it was laying, the roots were sticking straight up out of the ground. When I got to, I walked the very top of the roots, or from, you know, the tree all the way up to the roots. I was about eight or nine feet off the ground sitting on.

There was a couple of roots that kind of branched out. I sat in and was like, yep, I'm going to sit right here. I don't have to drag a deer stand up here and climb a tree. This is plenty high enough to look at this game trail and look down at the bottom between these couple haulers here. This is a good spot. Well, the beds, there was a lot of leaves piled up around this tree. and the center of the leaves were all pushed down into beds.

And the beds, really after thinking about it, I ain't been back up there since that day. I mean, I flat refused to go out there unless I'm with several people. You know, when me and my uncle went back out there, I didn't feel safe with me and him holding gun. I said, I'm not going back in. I said, I'm going home. If you want to go in there,

have a good day. There's no way. There was a lot of small limbs piled up around this tree. This tree was probably 40 or 50 feet long. I mean, it's a huge tree laying there on the ground up on the very top of this one small mountain. Up around a little thicket. It's never been in that thicket up there. And it goes back in there quite a ways.

I do know it probably covers a couple hundred yards. on the top of that ridge that we've never been in. It's too thick up there. And like I said, after what happened that morning, see, I can't say for certain because it didn't one step out there in the daylight and say, how you doing, Ted? I probably messed myself. But I do know what was going on around me,

seeing the shadow, the outline running in two different directions. I got out of there very quickly. When I come home, I was upset. And I think I was more upset with my uncle not sharing the footprints with me that he had took pictures of. And, you know, we had drip bags out there hanging that were, some of them were seven and a half, eight feet off the ground, and something kept taking them down. Because my uncle had asked me, if you take that drip bag down, I said, no, I didn't touch it. Definitely rules out of air. definitely rules out anything, really.

Even a deer standing on its hind legs ain't going to get no taller than six foot. I guess they could probably reach a little bit more with their neck extended, but I don't see that happening. Well, I know we have a lot of other callers said. I wanted to ask you first, though. You'd mentioned you have a hard time going in the woods again? Yes. I don't want my children in the woods right now.

You know, I'm not all. about shooting one of these things. I don't, you know, I don't want anybody to get the wrong impression to me. I definitely don't want to see one killed. I sure would like to be able to get back in the woods one day and hunt comfortably. Just right now is not a good time for me. I mean, these, you know, these encounters happened to me a long time ago, and they still bothered me.

Yeah. You know, after what happened to me out here at the hunting property and, you know, what I saw over here at this old house before you get to the hunting property I definitely you know want to be more cautious about myself in the woods and I don't want my children out there

send this email and right that'd be great you want me email now no you can send it over if you want to Bigfoot hotspot at gmail.com

and we sure appreciate you sharing your encounters. I know how hard it is to share an encounter when you've had one. You know, it's one of those things to where, you know, like you mentioned in the hands. That takes me back to what I remember seeing. You know, I had limited light, but I remember, God, I shouldn't be able to make out this much detail

from where I'm at and with the light that I have. But the creature's just so big that, you know, you're just like, oh, Jesus, I can make out all five fingers on this thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely. I mean, even in him standing in the shadow of those motion central lights, it still, you know, lights him up to a degree. And there was no hiding the fact that you could point out all the detailed, you know, features about this guy.

And, I mean, I really recommend anybody to, I mean, they really need to see it. If they love the outdoors, they really need to see one. Your jaw is going to drop. you know and you're going to start asking yourself's question what what am i looking at is this real um you know i was driving on i drove on to the house and and and all these things kept running through my mind and and and and a happy feeling too and i was thinking man i finally got to see one of those things and they're huge and i want to see them from a distance i don't want to see them up close But, you know, I kind of helped you put two and two together from when you, when you heard the thing, you know, escorting you out the first time.

You know, we should. Right. I told my wife the very same thing, you know, because I recently talked to her about what happened to me back up on that trail. Because I try to forget about that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you can't forget, but, you know, that they probably were escorting me out. They probably didn't want me up in there. You know, that's, you know, that was their range, not mine.

Yeah. You know, if they wanted to, if they wanted to harm me, they probably could have easily. Yeah, I'm sure they could have if they wanted to. Do this for me, Ted. Send me an email, will you, with your contact info? Sure. Again, it's, I have your number, but it's Bigfoot hotspot at gmail.com. And let's touch base in the future.

I can't thank you enough for coming on the show and sharing your encounters. we really do appreciate it. Hey, I appreciate you having me. It's very, very nice to meet you two. Thank you, Ted. Yeah, thank you so much. That was a good encounter, man. Very interesting.

Yeah, very interesting. I want to welcome No Shoes Curly in our chat room. We're huge fans, man. There's a guy in there called No Shoes Curly. My buddy is in the chat room. Yeah. We're huge fans. No job.

debonair paper pants yeah well I thought I thought I saw in there he was saying that he's having trouble finding paper bags and the plastic bags don't work out so well so you know now what's he going to do when he goes to a place where they charge for yeah

they're going to make the man go naked yeah oh man too much well we got a long list of callers you know I really hadn't planned on doing a two hour show but I don't know if we're going to have to I know we might have to But next

So if you're on the If you want to call in, share your encounter The phone number again is 646-716-8-7-91 And our next call is 207 I think that's Brian that we spoke to Right before we went on the air Let's bring him on and hear his encounter What's going on, Brian?

Hey, how are you guys doing? Doing good, how are you? peachy, where the snow's gone. Yeah. Well, I have Will here on the line. Why don't you tell us what you were doing prior to that led up to your encounter and then kind of walk us through the encounter?

Well, I'm originally from Connecticut, but I moved up to Maine in 1989 with my mom and my sister. And, you know, I lived in Maine pretty much my whole life since 89. Well, I moved to Hollis, Maine, about three years ago, and I noticed a lot of things. The trash was getting knocked over a lot, and the bags were getting ripped open, and I couldn't figure out what was doing it. So I started putting in bigger containers that locked down, and I step-daughter, about a week after that happened, my stepfather wanted a pet rabbit. So we got her a rabbit He's outside He's an outside rabbit

And I'd say about a week Into having a rabbit bangs Like I don't know It was like somebody Taking a baseball bat

And smacking trees And I was like You know I thought at first It was my brother-in-law You know Fooing around with me and stuff But I realized

He was eight miles away He's not going to come at two o'clock in the morning To bang on trees You know I started getting into, you know, realizing that maybe it was a bear or something. You know, I didn't want my stepdaughter outside during the daytime because, you know, if it's going to happen at night, it's going to happen during the day. Well, you know, things are just going down weird.

Howls and I'm like, oh, man, you know, we moved to a spot where there's mad wildlife and I don't know if I should trust my daughter being outside, you know. I just had a baby a little while back about seven months ago and I noticed something really peculiar every time you would cry you know

just kind of like get him not to cry him or whatever and they seemed like he was still crying but he wasn't crying and he was like a mimic you know outside and I was like

kind of like going nuts at first. Oh, I think we lost them. I think our I think our switchboard dropped them. Yep, it looks like it dropped them. Oh, great. He probably doesn't know either. Yeah, I have his number. I wonder if I should, I saw it on the caller ID. I wonder if I should call him back real quick. Yeah, I get that. Feel bad. Feel bad. We got 55 calls in queue. Everyone hold tight. We'll

we're in trying to get to you. That's why I don't do call-in shows. Yeah, blog talk definitely has a issue No, that's too bad Well, we should just Call him another time and apologize to him Yeah, Brian, if you're listening Call back into the show 646-716 8791

609, I think this is Chris and Ed Is this Chris? Hello? Hello? Is this Ed? Yes, it is. Hey, Ed, it's Watson Will. How are you? Good. We're really enjoying the show tonight. Oh, we appreciate it.

Appreciate it very much. Yeah. So, Ed, I know that you and Chris both had encounters. Do you want to start or does Ed want to start? Well, I'm the dad. I'm Ed. And I'm ready. Mine is really short because most of my life, going back to 63, I thought it was an 850-pound grizzly bear.

not a grizzly a black bear I grew up near Lake George, New York Glens Falls Yeah And I You want me to start with what happened? Yeah, tell us what you're doing and kind of what led up to it Yeah, I had a

Drop Dead gorgeous blonde girlfriend And I was with her I was leaving for military college the next morning. And I wasn't allowed to have the car that night. I picked my dad off, and anyways, he was punishing me. But I couldn't not say goodbye. So it's about 10 o'clock at night, and we're at the foothills of the Adirondacks.

She lived on what was called Cottage Hill, part of Queensberry. I lived in Glens Falls. Now, it is so black that you couldn't see the white line in the road, and you couldn't see like the white sneaker. Now, this was about the 20th of August, 1963, and I'm walking down aviation road by feel. You know, there's a crown in the road, and I'm just walking down. it and probably 15 minutes down the small mountain I feel I can't see anything I feel these thuds the whole unsandy soil the ground shook and I had a funny feeling I had all my hair stood on end what I had at the

time at the military college and didn't have much but this whatever it was came right up to me I would say I pedally was walking on two feet

and I mean you know I assumed it was a bear and I'll tell you why later but it came up to about three feet from me I had never been so afraid in my life. It was like I knew something wasn't right or there was an aura or an emanation that it was giving off.

And like I said, it stopped about three feet away. I'm breathing so hard and I'm so scared. I didn't even try to smell what it was. And I figured out the best thing to do. I did a deep knee bend. I jumped about three feet straight up in the air. I had my hands, you know, my fingers curled like claws. And I let out a ki-eye, which I didn't even know what it was until maybe 30 years later.

Like a Japanese battle cry. And, I mean, I let out, you know, like a life, life or death scream. and I came back down on my bended knees. And I just stood there with my hands out in front like claws. And if I counted, it was probably a minute, but my heart was almost pounding out of my chest. And whatever it was, turned around and lumbered off. I mean, every step shook the ground.

So, and then, you know, our first caller, he was talking about how fast he ran and everything. Well, I'm a military cadet at the time, and I ran down the rest of the hill. I know I was taking 30-foot strides. I was so scared. I don't even know what the, you know, the mile or so that I ran, but I'm sure Jesse Owens wouldn't have beat me. And so anyways, I get to military college. I told my mother, and it seemed that that same night,

there was an 850-pound black bear marauding our neighborhood. And the local Glens Falls police put 200 rounds into him, and they found him downtown in a cellar hole at the, Bridge Bookshop and blah, blah, blah, blah. The rest of my life, I figured it was bear that came up after me. So until we started hearing the shows and reading Kawani's book and all kinds of stuff, you know, I figure now it probably was a Sasquatch that came up and, you know, wanted to talk to me, but I couldn't even see it.

So all I had was fear. So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Yeah, well, we appreciate it, Ed. You know, it doesn't sound like Black Bear behavior to me. I mean, Black Bears don't... No, no, and I'm with you because of everything that I've studied, you know, later. Let's just say maybe the last 10 years, I thought, yeah, there was some show, I think, where the guy gets a moose head and he goes in with moose,

and because he's up as high as they are, they accept him. And I'm thinking because I jumped so high, you know, maybe I scared the bear away. And I went through all these misnomer's, but I'm learning. It's too bad it was so dark that you couldn't get a good look at it. It was, I mean, you can just understand. I'm not afraid of the woods. It just couldn't see anything. Yeah.

It was a shame because, you know, maybe you would have communicated with me. I don't know. Yeah. Or had you for dinner. Or kill me. Yeah. I had Chris right here, and any questions, we're sitting together. We're actually out in Susqueh territory.

But here he is. I appreciate you sharing your encounter. Hey, Wes. Hey, Chris. I got Will on the line, too. Hey. Oh, hey, Mike. Will, everybody, Woody.

How's everybody doing? Doing good. Doing good. Thanks for coming on the show. We appreciate it. You got it. Yeah, my dad, I kept taking him back through his, what happened to him, he told me that all growing up.

And I said, Dad, I said, you know, a bear doesn't walk up on you on two feet like that. I said, you would have heard four feet. I said, was it on four feet or two? He said, no, he was on two feet. He kept talking about him. I said, that's not a bear. I said, you had a fast-bodge encounter. So I got him listening to all these shows.

And he's all, you know, he's a believer now. Well, we appreciate you guys coming on. I'm sure if a bear would have had the nuts to walk up on him like that, it would have attacked him because, you know, black bears will generally run for him. Oh, yeah. And they don't walk up on you like that on two feet across a field 100 yards. I'm not going to walk up on two feet.

They'll just, they might go up and sniff a little bit, but they're not going to walk on two feet. No, no Well, tell us about Yeah, well, not even grizzly bears You know, bears can't really walk that well on two feet They're kind of They can walk on two feet

But generally not for very long And they're kind of clumsy Yeah, they're kind of clumsy on two feet Yeah Well, I started I just started checking this stuff out A couple years ago I started getting into a little bit of this stuff

And I had an experience back in 97 And Shana Doa which I couldn't really explain. I was out camped on the Appalachian Trail, and I just stayed in my tent the whole night and just the whole night I just heard just weird noises all night. And so that kind of got me kind of a little bit,

somewhat interested in something. But I didn't even know what it was until later down the road. I started getting into a little more. But after I sort of watching that Finding Bigfoot show, I started kind of getting a little more interest, and listening to different shows and this and that. And then I realized, I said, you know, I'm right on the, I live right on the edge of the Pinelands,

Pinelands National Forest, New Jersey. And I started going on the BFRO website, and there was a lot of sightings, you know, all through the area here. So I said, I might as well start going out every Sunday and just take my wife with me and we'll go, you know, we'll go kind of squatch around and then go get dinner. And that's what we started doing every Sunday. Just like today, we're out, I took my dad with me. And we went out to Bass River State Park, and we didn't see anything.

I was like, it seems like the more people that are around, the less of them, whatever I was experiencing, like in February. Like, I had a pretty cool encounter there. That was my first, that kind of made a little bit more real for me. I went out there, and I was with my wife, and it was right before dark, just before dark, and she finds all these prints, these big footprints on the beach there. So we took some pictures, and I said, this is February. I said, nobody's out here barefoot, especially after all this snow and rain and stuff. I said, this is not from the summertime. And she says, I know they're huge.

They're like, you know, probably 18 inches. I have some pictures. I could forward them to you. I put my hand next to them for just for size value. And then I was out. She's like, let me make a couple of those calls. Like I did on the show. I said, all right, go I make some calls, honey.

So she makes some calls into the woods, and she doesn't have very good hearing or eyesight. And so I get out of the car, and I'm just kind of out there listening and just kind of hanging out before dark. I start hearing jibber-jabber. Like, it sounds like Japanese people. I was like, hey, do you.

I was like, hey, do you hear that? She's like, I didn't hear anything. Get back in the car. Let's get back out of here. It's getting really creepy. And I kept hearing it. I kept hearing the jibber-jabber. And she couldn't even hear it.

So I just said, I said, you know what? Let me just get the heck out of here. This is weird. I knew there was nobody else in the state park. And anyway, after that, I went online, and I saw there was a state police officer. I had a huge report on a website. And I think the BFRO followed up with him. And he has a really cool encounter at Bass River State Park.

So if you just look up Bass River State Park Big foot that comes up and he saw two he saw a like a six or seven foot one and a five foot one and anyway so then we started going back down

let me ask you this Chris how far away from you was that chatter it was like it was like as far away as it could possibly be but for me to still hear it that's how I could describe it it was like it was as far into the woods as you could like you could

possibly hear somebody talking or something talking, you know? Did it sound like this? Ooh, I was wild. Just like that. Exactly like that. That would be exactly, but maybe even like a little more, more chattering. Hmm. I assume.

I was just kind of curious you mentioned the chatter. Yeah, it was like Japanese. It was just, it was weird. It was like a whole other, I was like, what that? I was like, that is creepy. So we just got that got out of there. My wife's like, there's probably some campers back there. I'm like, hey, it's February. Nobody's camping here, and there's no cars.

It wasn't even like a Ranger car. I mean, this place was, like, desolate. Hmm, interesting. And so it wasn't, it wasn't like monkey chatter. It was more of, it sounded like the Japanese. No, no, no. Yeah, this had, like, more of, like, a, yeah, like a Japanese kind of like a samurai-type flavor to it. It was, like, some kind of, like, shit, like some weird flick you might catch up TV late at night.

And you're out in Ohio, aren't you? No, New Jersey. I'm right along the I'm on the edge of the Pinelands National Forest Bass River State Park is probably only about I would say maybe 20 to 25 miles out of Atlantic City I mean we're not far from you know civilization Actually we're out we're out in a spot right now

That's actually I come after this other spot that I've had I had my next encounter And this place is it's a wildlife refuge And you can only get in in the daytime There's no hunting here And it's a large, area. It's all blocked off. And again, this border is the Pinelands

National Forest. I just won't say where it is, because I don't think I'm even supposed to be out here. This is all blocked off. But at night, this place gets really creepy, it gets weird. It's around midnight. All of a sudden, it's like this place gets real, it just becomes alive.

And so the next encounter was, we went to our favorite restaurant, my wife and I, we closed the joint. We were like, all right, well, it's getting late enough here. Let's go out there and let's go sit and, you know, just hang out, you know, try a couple of calls or something. You know, I didn't really know what I was doing. But I was just like, let's see.

I'll make a couple calls. I made a couple calls. Nothing happens. She makes a call and all, and she does, like, these funny little things. I mean, I have it on, it's funny. I should actually afford it to you, but she does these little, like, woo, woo, woo, woo, kind of feminine and stuff. And she's, like, five foot two, one hundred and seven pounds.

And all of a sudden to the right, like, almost immediately to the right of us, in this, like, pitch pines. It's like pitch pine forest with brush, barb brushes. It's really swampy slash pitch pines slash marsh. I mean, it's a real weird area, and it kind of goes in between grassland to little patches of like

little forests, little, and then again openings, and then marshlands and then trees and then like shrubs. It's like pretty much everything. So there's everything out here from cactus to lizards to to Fox to turkeys to anything you can imagine. It's pretty much out here. And this is, again, this is right near where the Jersey Devil sightings were. And right up alongside my big van, I have a 4D150 van.

It comes to these huge. Like my dad said, lumbering footsteps, six of them. It came right up alongside the car. My wife, she looked out the window, and I had it down about halfway. And I had the security system on my van. So it takes me a minute before I have to start the car, I turn off the security system. So I have to press the unlock button. So she screamed and scream and scream and scream.

and get, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she has her eyes. She wouldn't even look at the thing. And, you know, I guess, you know, Native Americans said they wouldn't even let the, they said, don't look him in the eyes. But instinctively, she just covered her eyes and just started screaming. And so I just got the heck out of there. And when we got far enough away, I actually talked her into going back.

I said, I said, listen, let's go get a couple drinks over at this spot over here. We'll get a couple glasses of wine. I said, you've got to come back with me. I got to go see, you know, what the heck that was. I mean, that had to be all made up. And she really didn't want to go back. She was freaked. She said, you know, she's like, you know, Chris, she's like, I thought this was just

like a good joke. Like, we would just go out here and this was like something, something we would do to spend time together. I didn't think there was really anything out there. She really thought I was like, you know, just kind of like nuts, but she was just going along with me. So she said she saw the whole, like, the whole, you know, this oval shape figure, dark figure.

And it was like, it was looking right at her through these reads. And I said, I said, I said, well, we got to. to go back there. I said, I got to go back. And she said, you're not going back with me. You leave me there at the bar. So finally, after a couple of drinks, she comes back with me. And so I go back out to the same spot. And I just start doing a couple of whoop calls. She wouldn't let me open her window. So I opened up my window. And I do them out the other end. And as soon as I did like a little whoop, immediately right back, whoop, right back. I did it again. I did it three times, immediately right back. And that was it. She was done. She was like, get to have. She was done. She was

I'm done, I'm done, I'm done, get the hell out of here. We just, we took off, and that was the last time she came squawching with me, but my dad's been coming with me and my dog champ, and we've been hanging out. We haven't had any, any action for a few months, but we've just been coming out and hanging out, having a good father sometime together. Yeah, do you ever worry at all when you're out there? No, not really, you know, like right now, I'm out here in the middle, middle of, like, nowhere here, and this, I'm not even supposed to be back in this area, and maybe I should

be a little more worried, but I'm in a big band, and I kind of, you know, I got my dog here, and I got my, uh, I figure if my dad, if anything goes down, you know, I'm, I'm ready to get the heck out of here, but, uh, you know, I kind of, you know, I kind of want to have another experience because it was kind of, I've had some experiences, but, you know, I don't know, I don't really have the, I mean, my wife scared to come back out, but I kind of want to, for some reason, I'm still interested. Yeah. Yeah, it kind of, uh, once you, once you've had something happen, and it's kind of hard to, it kind of consumes you up for a while. I'm sure we'll agree with me on.

I wouldn't want to be out camping, though. I hear about these people going out camping. People camping alone and stuff and going out there and sleeping out there and giving them food gifts. I'm like, I'm not doing anything like that. I'll sit in the car with my dog. I have 105-pound American bulldog and my dad. I said, we'll hang out here, but I'm not doing the food. I'm not camping out here.

I mean, these forests are real creepy. I'm telling you. After about midnight, it gets even the whole vibe of this whole place changes because everybody goes to bed, and there's nothing going on here. And it's what's really funny. This is the thing I've noticed the most is that all the deer, I'm telling you,

you can't go more than a mile without deer coming across the road. And they make you stop your car. You would actually hit one every mile or so. They actually, it's like they're attracted to the car. And I was like, I was thinking to myself after a while, I said, you know, why would they be coming up the road so much? And my dad said, you know, they might be scared or something. They might not want to be in the forest.

They really hang around the homes back there. And they really hang around the lights. If they see cars, they come right out on the road. And the whole family, all of them. And they stick all together. It's not like just one. And then another one. And then another one.

But the whole herd of deer will come right across the road and come right back across the road. And I mean, like, they just keep doing it. It's funny. Yeah. Those deer know what's good for them. Yeah. Well, thanks, guys. I love your show.

We've been listening every week for about six months now. I really enjoying it. I appreciate it. I appreciate you and your dad listening. Yeah, absolutely. All right. I mean, you've got a lot to call, but thanks again for having us on. Oh, thank you, Chris.

And tell your dad, tell your pops I said, said hi and tell them thank you again. You got me to Squash be with you. All right, guys, take care. Oh, I'm telling you, well, we might have to do another one of these shows. I'm not. I'm thinking so. With the list, because there's still a pretty big waiting list there. 57

57 57 quite in Q right now Yeah Let's see Well let's just pull the next one on 740 Oh I believe this is Lynn Hey Lynn

How are you? Oh pretty good How are you? Oh, I'm doing pretty good Thanks for holding on Setting on hold I appreciate it No problem

Yeah so why don't Will's on the line too Hello Hi there Hi And why don't you go in and start, tell us what was going on in what you were doing prior to your encounter and tell us what happened with your encounter. Okay. Well, my first encounter was back when I was 18 years old.

And at that time I was living in Ohio as well then and born and raised here actually in Ohio. And I live in the southern portion. I live in a little city called Lancaster, well, it's not too little anymore, but back at that time it wasn't really big. And it's about a 15, 20 minute drive from Hocking Hills National Forest Land. So I had gone to my high school boyfriend's house for the evening and his family fixed us dinner. And at the end of dinner, his dad tended to, his dad wasn't always a very nice person. He tended to kind of torment us kids and the dogs and stuff. And as he started to do that night, I kind of got a little picked off with it,

and I just told my boyfriend at the time, I said, you know what? I said, I'm taking this one dog that we kind of claimed as ours. And I said, I'm going to take him for a walk. And where they lived was out in this little resort setting, but it was outside of town, and it was settled into the woods, and it's called Pine Lake Resorts. Well, when you go into it, it's a lake, and at the front of the lake is a dam, so there are no houses on this dam, but the road crosses the dam. And then it just makes a complete circle around the lake.

And on one side of the lake and then on the opposite side of the lake are the houses, and they face the lake. And then on the back side of the lake at that time, it had been undeveloped. So on the side of the lake on each side where there's houses, that section of road is paved, and it's a little wider, even though it's one lane. It's kind of wide enough to allow for two cars. But as you get to the backside where it's undeveloped, That just narrowed into more or less of a single car-sized dirt path that would go around the back there because, again, it wasn't developed.

Now, the brush and the trees and stuff were really tall, way taller than me, and I'm about 5'8, 5'8 and a half. So the dog, and it was early winter, late fall, early winter, and I headed down the paved road part towards the back of the lake with full intentions of just walking it completely around. the lake. And wasn't too far into the walk, maybe just a minute, maybe two minutes. And the dog started to act funny and started to kind of whine, kind of sit down and sit right in front

of my legs and stare off to the woods. And he just didn't want to go. So, you know, I kept making him go. As we were heading that direction, I would make and go. And it finally dawned on me, I was hearing something walking in the woods with us. and it was walking on two feet.

Wasn't walking on four. I've been out in the woods enough to at least hear stuff as it comes through brush and all that, but you kind of get an idea that it's breaking through brush, it's on four feet. This wasn't. It was just walking right alongside of the road, practically right alongside me.

It didn't take me too long to realize I kind of caught a foul smell, but the first part of the walk, I didn't really hear anything. Now, on the closer I got to the back side of the lake, the dogs started to become more and more disturbed about something. It would look to the side of me, and then he started to look towards the front of us. And as I got a little closer to that dirt road, my nerves were just really kicking in big time. So I just thought, I'm not going on that dirt section.

We're going to turn around, and we're going to walk back. and so as soon as we turned around, the dogs pack were trying to drag me home. And so we kept walking. We kept walking. And whatever was beside me had turned around and it was pacing right along with me on the way back. And I know West earlier I said to you that I hadn't heard any sounds. I got myself confused on my second encounter. On this one, I heard some heavier breathing.

I heard what I thought might have been a grunt, but I'm really not too certain whether it was a grunt just heavier breathing. But as I continued on and got to the clearing where the houses start to get, where the houses are built and, you know, where you can end the woods and start for the clearing for the houses, I just started to walk a little bit faster. And as I got past that point, this halaciously loud screen came out and it just vibrated right through me. And at that point, I just took off running and I ran back to my boyfriend's house,

he was coming down the driveway at the time to meet me because they had heard that scream in their house. It was just a scream that reverberated right through my chest. I mean, to this day, I can still feel how that felt when that happened. And it's been a really long time ago. So I went inside his house and told his dad, his dad's like, what the heck was that? And I said, well, I don't know. I told him what happened on the walk and how something was following me and how something

appeared maybe to even be done with the day. the end of the lake. And then, you know, when I came back, I said, I got past the woods and into the clearing area there, and I said, it screamed. And he said, well, he said, that was just all coincidence. He said, we had, at that point in time, we had a, like a low-level type prison system for boys, probably about another, I don't know, four or five miles past their house. And he said, well, one of those boys had escaped the prison system, and he said, they were just following you. He said, lucky you probably didn't get right down there. And I said, I don't think it was anything like that because if it was, it had to be an extremely heavy person

walking in the woods because you could hear the thud, thud, thud, thud of the feet. And it wasn't like just breaking knees or breaking little branches, you know. It was a definite impact to the ground. And then he said that the screen was just a bobcat because he said, we've had some bobcat sighties out here, and that was just the bobcat. Well, I was 18. I really didn't know much about Bigfoot. I'd heard a few stories from my uncle who lived in Idaho at the time about Bigfoot. And I had seen the Patterson film when I was about 8 or 10 at the movie theater. But I still really didn't know very much about Bigfoot.

And I guess the last thing you'd think of in Ohio is running into Bigfoot. So I never thought too much about it. Well, fast forward about another eight years, I moved to the state of Idaho, lived at Coralene, Idaho. I don't know if you guys are familiar where that is, but moved there to Coralene, Idaho. Yeah. Okay. Well, my husband that I ended up to be married out there in Idaho, my uncle and aunt were still out there, and they lived in Calais. and my uncle had quite a few mining claims throughout Idaho, Montana, and Washington State.

And so this one mining claim that he had was just outside of Wallace, Idaho, and he had a pole barn on this plant on this plot of land, and he kept his supplies and stuff in there. So he had asked my ex-husband and I if we would care to clean this barn, and said, yeah, sure, we would do that. So we went out to do that. We drove through the little pasture area there to get to where you had to cross through the creek. You drive through the creek.

Up a little embankment, then you just kind of topped the embankment, and that was a little piece of level area there right where the pole barn was, and you just park your vehicle there, you know, and take care of the barn. And then right behind the barn, it just jotted straight up to go up the mountainside, and you could have another little ledge up there, and then it went on up the mountain side. So we came through, we crossed the creek, we go up the little embankment and just get to the top of it, but I don't think we even had all four tires up on the level spot. I remember right, we only had the front two, and there was a big tree down across there.

And my ex-husband had a little upset because he's like, why would your uncle put this tree here knowing that you and I were coming out here and we'd have to move this tree, especially since at the time, I was about four, or five months pregnant. Like, it really struck me funny because I would have never thought my uncle would do that. But when we got out and we moved it as much as we could to get the truck up there on all four tires, and then he just hooked it up to the truck and he'll move the tree the rest of the way off. So he turned the truck back around facing the creek.

We stopped and got out when we cleaned the pole barn out. it was full pack rats and so he killed off a bunch of pack rats and he just kept throwing them out back we had taken a 22 with us we'd also taken fireworks with us because when we went this was like the last part of june first part of july right around the 4th of july time frame and so we have the 22 and we were just done cleaning the barn getting with the pack rats getting the ready to leave, we'd taken some things out to the truck that we were supposed to take back with us, and we came back in the barn, and I started hearing things hitting the backside of the barn. They were facing the mountain side.

And so did he, and I looked at him, and I said, what in the world is that? And he said, I don't know. He said, almost sounds like a hail storm. And we went out and looked, and about that time, some good-sized rocks were coming down that mountainside and some of them were quite as long as even a baseball. And they were coming down with quite a bit of force and they were putting dense into the pool barn. And then you'd hear what we finally realized, quickly realized, was like breaking the branches and then these bigger branches started getting hurled down

that mountainside. Well, we were running back in to the barn because every time we came out, it would start throwing. All this stuff would start throwing out of. And it started, we were trying to get to the truck, you know, to leave and get out of there. And the truck was just far enough that we couldn't get to the truck safely. And so we went back into the barn, came out a few more times trying to make the mad dash to the truck, had stuff thrown at us again and again and again. We could never see anything up there because of the way the ledge was and it was all heavily wooded. We couldn't see anything, but we could tell it was coming from that general ledge.

And so we got back into the barn, and by now I'm crying. I didn't think, I didn't know what it was. I had a kind of suspicion, I guess, that I was thinking is this like a big foot reality coming true? But I wasn't really sure, but by now I'm crying. I'm thinking, you know, I've got a 14-month-old son with my aunt right at the moment and pregnant for our second child, and we're not going to get out of here alive. and so my ex-husband said, you know, here, take the 22. He said, I'm giving you the 22.

I'm going to like these firecrackers. And that's those little packets where you light the fuse and a whole bunch of them go off standing like multiple repeating gunshots. And he said, I'm going to throw that at the hillside. When I throw that, run, run. He said, run, run. And he said, if you have to shoot the 22, but he said, run for the truck. And that's exactly what we did.

As soon as those fireworks went off, we ran like crazy for the truck. We jumped in the truck, and it was a standard truck. So he just pushed the clutch in, and I know it was rolling down the embankment, probably what he did was probably just jumped the clutch to make the truck start, and we kept on going. As soon as we got across that creek, we heard this god-awful scream again, and all it hit me was that's that Sammy-Sack scream that I heard all those years ago in Ohio.

So the other thing my ex-husel was really upset about is as we left, we got hit in the back of the truck with a nice big tree branch too. So it was still trying to throw things at us, but I would say the firecrackers probably bought us the time we needed to make it to the truck. A couple days later, well, before that, I mean, when we got home, we told my uncle what had happened, and he kept saying, Bigfoot, that's a big foot encounter. You had a big foot encounter.

He was trying to keep the guys in the barn. And, you know, we asked about the trees. And why would you put that tree down, knowing that we had to move at me being pregnant and stuff? And he said, I never put a tree down there. So a few days later, he got a group of guys together to go out there and check things out. And we, mainly me, reluctantly really went back with him.

But the one guy that went up towards that ledge said, you know, these tree branches that were thrown down there at the back of the barn, which they were all there. It was just like a big debris pile of rocks and tree branches. He said that you could see where they had ripped them off the tree, or whatever it was ripping them off the tree, throwing them to throw them down there, and it was just like green wood, and he said they snapped it off like kindling.

And they were big branches, and they weren't anything real small. They were big. And he said it was up pretty high for where, they were ripping it off the tree. And that's really, but, pardon? No, go ahead, Len. I didn't mean cut you off.

Oh, no, I'm just going to say. That was really, you know, pretty much what I could say. That was, I don't believe that they found any foot tracks. I know that there were more times than not that, you know, these guys went back out there searching. I never heard whether they found any footprints or anything like that. I just know that, you know, from what happened to us, they were very adamant that it was a big foot encounter.

Yeah. Well, I'm kind of curious when it was pacing you in the woods, was it pacing you from behind or was it pacing you from the side? From the side. It was right beside me. Yeah, and that's crazy about it throwing the tree in the middle of the road. Woody and I came across that too to where something had tossed a tree in the middle of the road and we were trying to figure out why would someone do that, you know,

who would toss a tree in the middle of the road and why would someone do that? Well, I mean, I guess when I'm thinking back at times, I could see because it was private property there, you know, with being my uncle's claims. But if he was sending us out there to clean the barn, I really couldn't believe that he would block the entry. I would think if he was going to try to do that, he would have told us. And like he said, he didn't put it down there. Yeah. How is your feelings changed? I mean, how do you feel about the subject now, now that you've had these experiences?

It's intriguing I watch things on TV Or I find like I found you guys on the internet I want to hear more things about it But to this day I just don't go back in the woods And I love the woods I used to

I grew up with horses and stuff When I rode from morning to night all the time Never saw anything in the world about it You know took off on trails Even when I first moved Idaho, I got, which is probably foolish. I got up on, and got on my horse at, you know, 4.35 o'clock in the morning sometimes and just took off and hit a mountain trail and went riding.

And I did take a, I think it was a 30-a-6 with me at the time. I'm not real big into guns, but I think that's what my ex-husband gave me to carry in case I ran into something that I needed to, but I don't think that would have done anything for a big foot. and, you know, but I feel like I'm not brave enough now to do that. I don't know what's around the corner. Yeah.

And I would love to buy a little piece of land somewhere out where I can have my son's horses. Now, you know, now that my kids are grown and stuff, my kids still actively, where my oldest still actively shows horses. I would love to have a piece of land out where I could have the horses so that I can keep them there, you know,

and be able to go out and ride and do things myself, but I don't feel comfortable and safe doing that anymore. Yeah. And the scream you heard, was it anything that you've ever heard before? Like a Bobcat scream? Well, the screen that really kind of set me back off that I heard was one of your screens that you were playing one night on one of your shows. I know I said this earlier, and it states me again.

It's in Washington State. It's not. wall up? Yes, thank you. I don't know why I cannot remember that name. But you have played some screams one night on one of your programs, and there was some screams in there that were just like spot on for what I had heard. I don't think I... Go ahead. I'm sorry to me, cut you off. Both what I had heard, I mean, it just, they were the same. The one in Idaho was the same as the one in Ohio. There wasn't anything different, and I linked it to, after I got, got away from the one in Ohio, and as we got away from the one in Idaho, it sounded like it was frustrated and mad that we got away.

It's how I interpreted that. Yeah. I'm curious, I don't have the Pew Wallab screamer. I have a Snohomish scream I can play for you. Was it anything like this? That's it. Yeah, and those were very similar to the... Okay.

Yeah, that sounded like it. Now, something I can say that was just kind of funny. I had told Wes earlier up until just several years ago, I was a veterinary technician, and I worked for many, many years in the vet field. And one time when I was working at the clinic, we had, well, I shouldn't say one time, we had this patient whose owner was a park ranger here in the state of Ohio. And something came up one day about, you know, Bigfoot, and we were keeping about, well, if you ever get Bigfoot,

and needing bad attention, give us a call, you know. And I finally kind of looked down and he said, well, Mike, I said, have you ever seen or had any big foot encounters? And he kind of looked at the wall and he said, I can either confirm nor deny that. And I kind of looked at him and I said, Mike, he just kind of looked at me and shook him.

He said, I can either confirm nor deny that. And wouldn't say another word. Hmm. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it was kind of funny. But. Well, we appreciate you

As I said, we appreciate you sharing your encounter I know it's tough to It's tough to share your encounter's things that have happened to you At least it was for me And so I can imagine it's the same for everyone else around I'm sure we'll agree You know, and something like that's happened Yeah, it's hard to talk about

Because nobody believes you And you feel like you don't have anybody you can talk The only person I could really talk to Is my uncle And he's got tons of encounters But he's almost 90 now, and it makes it hard to get a good day to be able to talk with him. You know, I'm going to try and get his Bigfoot stories on tape when he has good day so that I could have those. But he was the only one I could really ever talk to about it, and, you know, I don't have that now.

Consistently, I should say. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. He's definitely trying to get encounters from him, you know, when he does have good days. I'm sure he's 90 years old. I'm sure he's a wealth of knowledge. He is. He's just, you know, like I said, if he's on these good days, he remembers everything, and it's crisp and clear, and he knows it.

But if he's not having a good day, then it's not. I will say this. My oldest son, both of my children live in Jackson, Ohio, which is down in a lot of the southeastern portion of Ohio with the woodlands and stuff. And back in, I think it was either 1995 or 96, there is a documented sighting of a Bigfoot in Jackson County, Jackson, Ohio on Pattonville Road. And I was teasing my son the day, and I said, isn't Pattonville the road you lived on the corner of? And he said, yeah, that's just what I need. So, you know, maybe they're still down there. Who knows?

But if we ever see it, we'll call you back. Yeah, please do. and keep in contact with us, Lynn. Again, our email is at bigfoot hotspot at gmail.com. And thank you so much for coming on the show and sharing your encounter. I just needed to kind of hear if you guys kind of thought that's what it was as well. I think that's probably what it was. I mean, a lot of the screens and a lot of the behavior that described,

I mean, it fits their behavior on what they tend to do for what we've heard that tended to you know so i really think that you probably had a saskwatch encountering you know especially with the way it was following you you know it's like i was saying with a bit with a bobcat when a bobcat stalks you they usually stalk you from the rear i've never heard of bobcat stocking you from the side right well and when we had the cougar stock us up at duty bay resort it stopped us from behind up behind and above even um it didn't um it didn't parallel us and this one did Yeah, and they're not going to stop once they hit the tree line. They're going to keep coming.

I mean, they're not worried so much about cover. If they're going to stock you, they're going to keep stocking you until they either get you or you get away. Right, right. That's kind of what I thought. They don't seem to be as afraid if they're going to get you, they're going to get you and take you back in the trees. Yeah. So, well, thank you for your time. I appreciate it.

Thank you for answering my questions. Oh, thank you for sharing. Appreciate it so much. Okay. Well, and if I get my uncle some stories from him, I'll definitely share them with you. Please do. Please do. And thank you again, Lynn. Thank you. Bye. Well, well, I know we're getting down on time. We got a boatload of people in the call queue. If we don't get to you tonight, everyone in the call queue, please email us at Bigfoot hotspot at gmail.com and send us your encounter. We'll have you on future shows.

I promise Shane I would Or go ahead, Will I was just saying You know The response has been huge So we're definitely Going to have to do more

You know Be able to talk to people Let people discuss what they've seen 66 now 66 and Q So yeah We definitely appreciate everyone Calling in the response

And we do apologize If we don't Because we are running short on time Yeah absolutely Well I'll go and bring Shane on I promised Shane used to run The Monster X show

Okay sure He's starting up a new show And Shane's always been a friend of the show Him and I are buds We send information back and forth on Facebook and I promise that he could come on And promote his show real quick And then we'll get to the next caller if we have time

Shane you on? Yes, I am. How are you guys doing? Hey, good, how are you, Shane? Very good, very good Hey, West Woody Thanks for having me on. Will, sorry That's all right

So tell us about the new show, Shane Well, basically, you know, I don't want to take up too much your time. You guys have a fantastic show, and you guys have some fantastic encounter stories on. And I just want to say, you guys, if not the best show on Blog Talk. Love you guys' show. And we will definitely, you know, part of my show will be promoting your show because it is a fantastic show. But basically, you know, we're starting up a show called Cryptologic Radio. It's going to, you know, our main focus is Bigfoot.

It will include other cryptids, you know, which most of our hosts are well versed in. Our hosts include Mike Richburg, AKA Apex Encounters, Shelley, Coenton, Montana, Cindy Bowers, and Russ Mock. And basically, we're creating, you know, we love you guys' show. And we want to, you know, we have a lot of things in common as to, as to. our goals, getting encounter stories on there and getting some, you know, we would like to get some of the bigger names out there like I did with Monster X to share their work, encounters and whatnot. Cryptologic radio is going to be a place to have serious discussion on scientific inquiry

involved in the arena of Cryptids investigation. We want to hear to do the scientific method in our research and ideology. We really want to raise the bar, I believe you guys have, with your show. We want to raise the bar too, and we want to have, you know, we want to bring something new to the arena, as well as bring interesting, you know, discussions and thoughts on what cryptids are. But, you know, like I said, Bigfoot specifically something that I'm involved with personally in my research areas, and you guys know about those. and also, you know, I'm involved with the Olympic project with Derek Randalls and whatnot.

So I want to raise the bar and, you know, get guests that are going to bring things, that are going to mean things to people, as well as, you know, share a lot of encounter stories because those are important. Yeah, man, appreciate it. And when is your show going to be on? It's going to be Wednesday nights, 8 p.m. Eastern Time, 5 p.m. Pacific. Our first show will be announced shortly, and we have a lot of encounter stories lined up. We also have a few big names lined up with one particularly working on. I know a lot of people are going to listen into because it's going to be a big show involving some of the most, I guess you could say,

famous people throughout history in the field, and hopefully we can get that lined up. and it'll be a fantastic show. But regardless, you know, our ideas and thoughts on doing what we're doing is to just bring something a little bit new to the field of Block Talk Radio and enlighten people. And hopefully, you know, we can provide a good format for people to enjoy our show. Nice, man. Well, we appreciate you coming on. It's Cryptologic Radio, and it's on Wednesdays at what time?

8 p.m. Eastern Time, 5 p.m. Pacific. You can find us on Twitter at Cryptologic Rad or on Facebook under Cryptologic Radio. And our email is Cryptologic Radio. Or at Gmail.com. Cool, man. Well, I appreciate it coming on. Hey, thanks, guys. Fantastic show.

I'll be listening in. And thank you so much for having me on. You're welcome. Thank you. Yeah, thanks, Shane. Thank you. All right, Will. Well, we got 20 minutes left.

I feel bad. I feel like we're shot- For one more call. I feel like we're shotgunning through all of these calls. I feel kind of bad. We're like, next, next, next. I know we like to take, you know, a lot more time and, you know, let people discuss what they want to talk about.

Yeah, I feel bad. I feel like we're Russian people. But should we take one more? Let's take one more. All right. I guess I'll roll the die. here. Area code 801.

801, you're on the air? Who are we speaking with? Hi. You're on the air? Who are we speaking with? Yeah, you're speaking to Jason. How are you doing? Hey, Jason.

Good. Good. How are you doing? Good, good, good. A buddy that I work with, he's a real big listener with you guys. And I'm kind of embarrassed to say that I've never heard of this radio talk show before, but he always listened to you guys

and I've told them some stories that I had one encounter myself and another one that was told to me but I would like to tell you the one that I've had if I could. Yeah, take your time. Tell us what you're doing leading up to the encounter and then go ahead and jump into the encounter.

Okay, man. It was in Vernal. I live in Utah, by the way. And we were Archery Elkhutton. And we were, the area then was fairly new to me and my brother and my dad. And so we were just mainly exploring more than anything. And we had our balls with us. And like I said, we were just looking for elk.

And we were driving, there was this road, and it's called the Red Cloud Loop Road. And it's just a big road. It's a loop around this national forest area. And we were just driving. we've seen some elk off the side of the road, so we all got excited. We jumped out of the vehicle. And my brother and my dad kind of went to the right, and the elk were in some quakeys, just off the side of the road.

And the further you went down, the quikis kind of spread out wider and wider, and then it did down into a ravine, into some pines. And so I kind of went by myself to the left, and my brother and my dad and they stood to the right. well my thought process was to just to go deep down into the pines or the yeah into the pines rather and try to get on the other side of the of the elk so that's what I did I kind of hooked it down there when I got down there couldn't see anything I didn't see my dad I didn't see my brothers I didn't see the elk and so I was like man you know I was hoping I could maybe push the elk back to them or they were going to scare the elk to me anyway so that's what I was thinking so while I'm sitting there just looking around trying to look to see where the elk were at they disappeared they ran off so starting to get killed a little bit I looked to my right behind me and I would say maybe 30 to

40 yards away and this isn't your typical big foot sighting what I saw was ahead on top of a bush that was about 30 to 40 yards away and it was staring back at me and I'm getting a good view of it I'm looking right at it, it's looking at me and right away I'm thinking okay what the hell am I looking at

is okay it's not a deer it's not an elk it's not a moose I know it's not a bear all I've seen was a head looking straight back at me and it was probably, I would say maybe four feet off the ground. And it was round. It was brown. The eyes were facing forward. But there was no ears. There was no snout. Well, I'll get to that here in a second. The reason why I knew the face was round and there was no snout or anything to it because when it was looking at me, it would look away to its right. And then it was, it was,

would look at me again, and then it would look away to its right, which would be to my left. And I'm sitting there, and I'm like, what the hell? Because every time it turned its head, I didn't see no protrusion of a nose or anything. It was just a round head. So at this time, I'm freaking out because then I was thinking, well, what else could it be other than it has to be a bear? it's got to be a bear but why would a bear cub be standing behind

a bush sitting there looking at me and not moving? I mean a bearcote would run away and pretty soon mama bear would be right on top of me so it just stood there it didn't move. It just stood behind this bush and just kept looking at me

and whenever it would look to its right it was freaking me out because it was looking at something else that was that it was with something or it was with its partner or I don't know because I don't know what I was looking at. I couldn't make sense of what I was looking at. And how far away were you from it? This was probably 30 to 40 yards away.

And it was about four feet tall? Well, I'm thinking that all I saw was the head and it was on top of a bush. It was like Kind of like a bug brush Maybe like a choke cherry kind of bush And it was just a young Tree Bush thing

It was about three feet high And the head was right on top of it And I'm telling you I was looking at it Like I was looking at somebody's face Standing 30 yards away And it freaked me out to no end Because I couldn't make sense of it I know my animals

I'm 42 years old this probably happened maybe I was probably in my mid to late 20s it freaked me out anyways so after having this little stare off with it for about two to three minutes I got freaked out because I didn't know what this thing was and I went in the opposite direction of where it was at and I hooked it back to my to my brothers and my dad

and I told them and I'm like I think I just seen a bear I don't know what the hell I've seen but and then I explained to them what I've seen and then they're like that wasn't no bear and then we just kind of drop it and left it at that

and I really didn't tell anybody this story I told my wife now I told her I told a couple of buddies from work because they're kind of into the big foot thing you know but um it was it was freaky you know I I can't

tell you what I saw, but I can tell you what I didn't see. That's what I always tell people, because I know my animals, and I know what I was looking at, and it freaked me the hell out. Interesting. It, yeah, that's a strange one. You never saw any other animals? You just saw kind of looking off to its right? It was, it kept looking off to it, and I didn't see nothing else. Nothing else. I didn't see those elk. When I was down there at the bottom, I didn't see my brothers, my dad, my uncles, with us, I didn't see anything. I kind of beat them down into that canyon before they did. And I don't think they even went down that far, to be honest, but I think they kind of

stood high, and they probably seen the elk leave, and I kind of hooked it way around the elk and got to the bottom. And I didn't see anything. I didn't smell anything. I didn't hear anything. I just saw what I saw. And the rest of the body was obstructed by the brush? It was above the brush.

It was. I didn't see nothing but the head. That's all I seen was a head. And when I say head, I mean space. Not like deer head, elk head, bear head. I seen a face, but it was brown. I couldn't really, honestly, I couldn't make out hair because it was about 30 to 40 yards away. but I know I had forward-facing eyes

and there was no ear that's what freaked me out the most was I didn't see no ears and I didn't see no snout because whenever it would look to the right it was just flat it was just a flat face I've heard that their profiles are kind of flat

yeah it freaked me out it freaked me out and if any animal in the woods has ears right I mean you're going to see the ears especially that close and I didn't see nothing it was just a round head

Has that changed your viewpoint about going out in the woods at all since you saw that? No, no. You know, I've been having ever since I was eight years old. We still go on archery elk cut in there every year. I've been going there for almost 20 years now. It's an area I love. We see tons of elk, tons of deer, moose. You know, we see bear.

We see everything. But that one time, what I saw, I haven't seen. sense and to this day I can't make sense of what I was looking at. Yeah. It was just a head. I mean, all I can say is I've seen a face head on top of a bush looking right back at me and it was probably maybe four feet high. Wow.

And the brush, the brush that was in front of its body was, I mean, it was just enough there to cover its body and that was it. It wasn't like a lot of brush. It was just one brush. And it was just wide enough and tall enough to wear all I seen was its head on top of it. And he was staring back at me like he was watching me the whole time. Interesting. I guess seeing a smaller one wouldn't so much scare you to the point to what you wouldn't want to go back.

No, yeah. If this thing was, you know, your typical seven, eight foot, yeah, I probably wouldn't care to go in that area anymore. Yeah. I'm sure just like Ramble 1 in our chat. Matt room says I'm sure that Mama was behind you watching you or off to the side watching him. Yeah. Well, you see, over the years, you know, because I get into Bigfoot, too, but at the time it didn't dawn on me that I could maybe possibly looking at a juvenile, Bigfoot. Yeah.

It didn't dawn on me. It did not even dawn on me then. It dawned on me years later because of the way it was acting and the way it was looking. it would look at me and then it would look to the right and then it would look at me and then it would look to the right and every time it looked to the right it's like it was looking for reassurance or something for somebody else or something else and it wasn't making any noise or anything no no it would just stare at me then it would look to its right but it was looking to its right just enough to where I was getting the full aspect of it and that's what freaked me out even more is they're every time it turned its head. Because normally I'm used to lift animals, right? Well, this, it was no, it wasn't your typical animal. Yeah, no, it doesn't sound like it.

Yeah, it was, um, it was freaky. It was, it was really freaky. It really freaked me out. It scared the shit out of me, to be honest with you. Yeah, I don't know it. You know, even though it was only four feet high, but I just, I knew I was looking at a head. And that's what creeped me out more than anything.

Kind of one of those, what the hell is this kind of a moment. Exactly. And to this day, I still can't say either way. What I was looking at a little baby big foot? I don't know. I know what I was looking at. I was looking at a head, a face looking back at me. Well, we appreciate you sharing it very much.

Thank you. I appreciate it. Like I said, I've never called you guys before or anything like that, but my buddy from work encouraged me to call you. you. And I was like, well, what the hell? I'll tell my story. I tell them the same way every time, you know, this is what happened. That's what I've seen. That's what I experienced. And that's all I can say. Well, I certainly appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Appreciate it. Oh, thank you. Thank you, guys. Interesting. You don't hear too many of the juvenile encounters very often. Not. Yeah. Well, I know we, I know we, uh, I know we're going to do. I know.

getting down to the end of the show, and I know we have a long list of people still waiting to call in. So I wanted to tell everyone again, if you would, please email us your encounters. It's Bigfoot Hot Spot at gmail.com. Send us your encounters, and we will have you on the show. I want to apologize to all the people we didn't get to. There's a huge list of people we didn't get to. But I want to thank everyone.

Yeah, we want to say thank you for to try to get on the show. We sure appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I want to thank everyone in the chat room, especially No Shoes Curly, because I know he lives out in the brush, and I know he doesn't have Internet.

I know he lives off the grid, and I know it took an extra effort for him to find the Internet and log in and everything. He probably put on paper pants, you know, the clean pair to come in. Yeah, so thank you, No Shoes. I appreciate you being part of the show. We certainly do. But until next week, careful one?

him as our mascot. You know, we should. We should. What's everyone think about that? Should we adopt no shoes curly as our mask? He says, he says, Kroger pants for the show. You know, the historic Kroger. He can be our field expert. He'd be our show expert. Okay. Oh, man, too much. Well, well, thanks for coming on. And thanks. I want to Thank you everyone again for calling in. Thank you everyone in the chat, everyone for listening.

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