Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP: 581 HorrorHound Weekend Interviews

Episode Date: September 13, 2019

We spent a few days in Indianapolis to attend HorrorHound Weekend, and spent time with some great people. I was able to do a show with several guests while I was there, and wanted to include everyone who was unable to attend. My mic was damaged in transport so my voice sounds hollow...   Several people sat down with me on the final day including Bob Gimlin, Travis Walton, Claudio Bergamin, Amy Bue, and Justin Snyder.   Bob Gimlin: https://www.bobgimlin.net/   Amy Bue: https://www.facebook.com/amy.bue.71   Travis Walton: https://www.travis-walton.com   Claudio Bergamin: https://www.claudiobergamin.com | https://www.bergaminart.com/   Justin Snyder: https://www.facebook.com/pathofthebeast/

Just got back from Indianapolis, Indiana, from Horrorhound. Had a great time over the weekend. Love the town of Indianapolis. People are awesome. Food is awesome. Great town. Can't say enough about it. Thank you so much for the warm welcome.

And I can't wait to visit again. Tonight I actually have interviews from Horrorhound. Bob Gamelin, Travis Walton, Amy Boo. Several people sat down. We did an interview while we were there. My mic was damaged in Transatl, transport. So if I sound a little hollow in the interview, that's why I gave the better mic to my guess. But if you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. And this episode is sponsored by MyBooky, MyBooky.ag. Definitely check them out. MyBooky.ag. It's fast, it's easy, they pay when you win, and let's face it, where you're betting is just as important as who you're betting on. With the NFL season starting in the U.S., this is the best time of year to bet. Bet with the best at mybooki.ag online sportsbook. Only at my bookie, can you bet on your favorite teams, athletes, and receive rewards for your action. What are you waiting for? Join now, and MyBooky will double your first deposit. Use promo code.

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It was horrible. I mean, I've never seen nothing that evil. It ran towards me at a rate that I can't even explain, turned and stared at me, and this look of, I just want to kill you. I want to say it was human, but it wasn't. He was yelling out me to grab a gun, grab a gun. I was like, for what?

He said, just grab a gun. And there's footprints all the way to the door of my house. It had went inside my garage all the way to the door. 911, what are you reporting? What's going on now, sir? That sort of a bitch is about six. See him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-oh. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Check us out online at Sasquatch Chronicles. If you've had an encounter, email me. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. We are here at Horhound, and I'm sitting with the legend himself. My good friend Bob Gemlin, Bob, how are you, sir? Fine, thank you, Wes.

What do you think of this event? Hey, this is great. Hey, I met a lot of wonderful people here. This is just a really great event. Yeah, I kind of missed your presentation yesterday. I wish I would have went in there and saw what you were doing, but it's been, you know, this is my first time in Indiana, Bob. You've been here before? Well, no, not really.

Been all around here, but not here in Indiana. Yeah, it's nice, and it's nice clean city. I actually really digging my time here, and I know what do you get going on this afternoon? Well, not a whole lot, just kind of finishing up here. We'll be closing down here at the Horer Hound event. here in about an hour I saw, and we'll be packing up a little bit and getting ready to head out. Yeah, I know the fans love you, Bob, and I know this will be your last, one of your last appearances. Any plans for what you're going to do?

Well, Wes, I have a little bit of things I got to do. I've got a right knee that I got to have worked on on the left shoulder. So if that all turns out, it won't be my last, but this, you know, I can't make any real advanced talks about it or anything because I don't really know what's going to happen. I haven't had them evaluated yet because I just haven't had time. But I figure about in November or December, I'll get something done. So it won't hinder me altogether from anything in the spring. Yeah, I know a lot of, I mentioned on one of the past shows, was just going to be one of your last events because I hadn't talked.

you directly, but a lot of fans were bummed out. But it'll, uh, if it was the last Bob, it was great. It was great having dinner with you last night. I know we did, uh, cheers last night. And I'll definitely miss seeing you on the road. Oh, hey, Wes, it was a great evening. Had a great dinner and great cheers with you. And everything's, you're always a great guy, Wes. And, uh, I, I hope all the listeners out there understand this that, because, uh, if you knew Wes in person, you'd love the guy. Oh, you're too kind. You're too kind, Bob. Oh, no, no, never, never, no.

It was great seeing you. I love seeing you, and you're one of the main guys that wanted to come. Even though we're friends, I'm like, I've got to see Bob. I got to see Bob when we get there. So it's great seeing you on this trip. Well, thank you, Wes, because it's great seeing you too, you know. You're always doing great things for me, you know, and I really do appreciate it. Thanks, Bob, and thanks for coming on.

Well, hey, you're welcome, Wes. It's a pleasure to be coming on and talking to folks. I just hope that everything is, I hope everybody's having a great time and enjoying life as much as I am with West. Absolutely. Thanks, Bob. You bet. Thank you. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Amy Boo. Amy, thanks for coming on.

Thank you for having me. Yeah, I appreciate you being here. And I know you had your own encounter of yourself. Sorry, as people take pictures of. It's really throwing my game off. And tell me about your encounter if you would, because I know we briefly talked about it the other night. Great. I've had two possible encounters. One was what got me into Bigfoot. It was in 2012. And I was a passenger in a car driving over a bridge over the city's water supply. It's called Neander Reservoir in Youngstown, Ohio, in Mahoning County.

And I saw something along the tree line on the opposite shore from where I was. was there were some birds flying around and so it drew my attention over there and what it looked like was a bigfoot i mean i just say it because i mean i wasn't into bigfoot before that but i had watched in search of and everybody knows the patterson gimblin film and everything so i knew what they were supposed to look like and it was standing there holding onto a tree was very large i've never been able to get back into that area to do any size comparison although by now it wouldn't you know wouldn't be legit. Because it's against the Department of Homeland Security to be in there.

So it was unusual. I've been over that bridge thousands of times in my life, and it was just unusual for anybody to be in there. So if it was a guy in a suit or something like that, he'd be in big trouble. And I knew it wasn't a bear. I've been around Black Bear all my life. They're unusual in that part of Ohio,

but we have them occasionally. But there was no muzzle. It was very large. And it moved. You know, it kind of turned its whole body at one point. It looked like it was facing toward those birds. There was like a cement block out in the water, and they were flying around, and that's what it looked like it was looking at.

But it was about 100 yards away, so I can't say for sure. Yeah, I mean, was there any details I remember, though? I just remember it being all solid, one color. Very tall, very broad. Like the width of it was what impressed me, I guess. It was holding on to a tree brand. But again, I was too far away to see any kind of. Except it did not have a muzzle.

And its head was a little elongated, I guess, more than a bear would be. Like I always say, I would estimate that it was about a football field away, and I think I would know a bear from the end zone. I think so, too. But, you know, I always have that little bit of skeptic in me. But it's what got me started. I started researching, you know, Googled it. What in the world, you know, is there some, in my head I'm thinking, is there some guy running around where you shouldn't be doing this?

And instead I found other encounters right in that area. And bam, like I was hooked. Yeah, and I know you interview eyewitnesses. And a lot of times when you talk to people and they see something like that, they're like, it's either Bigfoot or was a guy in a... In a suit. That's what I say. Or like a furry coat or... Because they're not really sure what to make of it.

But I think if you were to saw, man, you know, we have a good... Russell's running around here in a bigfoot suit. I mean, most of the big foot, you can tell their suits. Yeah. And then the thing that I saw, it was through a Fleer in 2018, and myself and another guy I was with watched this really large creature walk away from us down a power line cut. And after it disappeared, you know, because all we could compare it to at the time was

there were the radio towers and then there were trees. And so it was walking down the pathway between in the middle of the night. We were watching it through the Fleer. There's a longer story, but I'm making it short. And we sent two guys down there. First we sent Lester down. And I'm not sure how tall he is, maybe 510, 511. And he looked dwarfed to where this thing was.

And we positioned him right next to the base of a radio tower because that still had some residual heat. So we knew that was the first place that the guy was with. Jesse had spotted it. So Lester looked really small. And then we had a guy with us named, we call him Big Kevin, because he's like 6'7 or taller. And we put him down there, and he looked really small compared to what we had seen. And we were, we didn't talk to each other for three weeks about what we had seen.

We both wrote down what had happened. We both threw pictures of what we saw. and then after three weeks got back together, had researchers that were with us, like kind of cross-examine us, I guess, and matched up really perfectly. So that, even though it was through a camera, that impressed me more

because it was so big and it walked all the way down the cut. I knew from being there in the daytime that there was a river down there and a pretty steep embankment. And it's not that it would be impossible for a person to go, down there, but it just like went down.

Like you watched it go down there. Yeah, usually on a fleer or two, you can tell someone's wearing clothes or not. Yes. And we watched, we could tell the people were people. We could tell the deer in the area were deer. This thing, I drew it kind of almost like a walking Christmas tree. I said, like it had very, it was poignant at the, not a sharp point, but narrower at

the top and then just kept widening out. It was very large. You know, and again, the skeptics. in me. I was like, well, could it be somebody in a rain suit, you know, or something, but it just it looked different than... So we're a place to be to in the middle of the night. Yes. Yes, it was. And it was rainy. It was like perfect. Yeah. I know you take a lot of reports. Is there one report

from an eyewitness? Because you do a lot of work with the BFRO. And so you talked to a lot of eyewitnesses. Is there one in particular that really sticks out to you? There's a couple. One of my favorites. I have two favorites, but I would say my very favorite that I've personally taken. You know, I've interviewed the person. I've taken their report. One was in Mahoning County again, the same, not too far the way the crow flies from where I had my sighting, possible sighting. And this was a wildlife exterminator. So he was out calling coyotes and he knows his animals, right? Yeah. and he was there.

He was getting his rifle and different stuff out of the trunk of his car, and he saw something like through the forest, like over into a meadow that was white. And he thought maybe it was some kind of a turkey or something at first because there were other turkeys around. And he's like, maybe it's just an oddly colored something, but it would seem to be at a little distance from the rest of the turkeys that he saw. So he didn't really pay it too much mind. but then when he went into the woods, he's looking for these coyotes that have been bothering people.

And he said, he saw, he used to also manage like a wildlife preserve down in Florida. So again, this is in Ohio, but he knows animals and he knows wild animals in particular. So he saw from a little bit of a distance this white something again. And he's like, is it in a really large snowy owl? You know, is it a porcupine? Because sometimes they can be white, the quills. and it kind of went away and then it came back

he was going into the forest it came back the closest he got to it was about 50 feet which isn't very far and he said he thought some kind of a primate had escaped from somewhere he said it was small

it was like four foot tall and it was swaying back and forth it would go into the woods and then it would come back out almost like it was curious about him but it would be further back and further back and he said at one point

he wanted to lift his gun to get a better look at it and then he just hesitated because it looked so so much like some kind of a primate he thought well could it be a kid you know dressed up or you know like all these things going through his head he he never thought about bigfoot that wasn't on his radar and um finally he said whatever it was seemed to be wanting him to follow it and he didn't want to follow it anymore and what's interesting about that one first of all the witness was so credible but also I talked to another guy several years later who had never heard of that report, and he said that he was in that same area.

It ended up being about a half a mile away from that same year had found, and he showed me pictures of some small, unusual footprints. So it was a half a mile, maybe even less than a half a mile from each other. So in Ohio we have quite a few reports And going into the Alleghenies of Pennsylvania Of white creatures So you know maybe it was the same one Why did he say he thought the thing wanted it to follow him

Well he said that was just the impression you know that he got Because it was closer and then it would disappear and it would come back out And they would disappear and come back out further further away And he was following it So he didn't know like I mean he said I've actually heard that before from my witness That's why I asked a question. Yeah.

Yeah, he said it. He felt like after a while he was going after, and he's like, wait a minute. It's like toying with them a little bit. But that was one of the reports that he came on with my Project Zoo book with the conference call, and he was telling them about it, and, you know, the swaying back and forth movements and just the curiosity if it was some kind of a juvenile really resonated with them because they work with great apes. Yeah. So it was kind of cool.

And I know you have Amy's, what is it? I can't see. Amy's bucket list expedition. It's like an acronym for ABLE. Able, yeah, on Facebook. But do you want to talk about that and your Project Zoo Book? Sure, I can talk about that. Thanks.

Well, Able is something very personal to me. I am a two-time cancer survivor. I didn't know that. I am, yeah. And I decided after, they thought I had had it back for a third time. It ended up being this weird disease called histoplasmosis, which you get from breathing in bird poop. So it's kind of interesting.

but if you're going to have something, might as well be interesting. Anyway, I got better from it, and I'm like, you know, like, I've wasted a lot of time being miserable in my life, and I just want to actually come up with a real bucket list. You know, you hear about it,

and I want to do these things. So Bigfoot is way up high. It's actually not the highest thing on my bucket list, but I want to actually do this because I'm really interested in it. Then after my brother passed away in 2015, I kicked it up a notch and I really started started going after that.

And so now as much as I can, I try to do the things I really want to do in life. So I... What's on the bucket list? Do I know my number one thing? Yeah, number one. I want to be in a demolition derby. What?

I do. Like so bad. So I keep telling Lester, he needs to find me a car. So next year I think is going to be the year. Really badly want to be in the demolition derby. That's kind of an odd. I know.

I know. I love... I've always... loved watching them, I want to be in one. That's cool. Yeah. So it's going to happen. What's number two? Number two? I, oh man, number two is that I would like to go on an adventure with Adam Davis. Oh yeah, Adam's a great guy. He is so, he's such a hero of mine. If you want to say that,

I know it sounds lame, but it's true. He'll laugh about that. But he's been a really good influence on me navigating my way through all this craziness we call big footery or whatever and it's crazy it is and so he he's just been a big help and i love i the reason i like him so much is that he's also an educator i'm a teacher and he started out going on all these adventures on his own dime because he wanted to he wanted to get all this do all these things and i feel like i'm a lot the same yeah so i would love to do something with him someday i got you yeah well talk a little bit about project zuba would you? Project Zoo Book is my favorite. It was very serendipitous how it came about. I met a young lady through Facebook, which I'm on entirely too much. But a lot of the times when I'm on there,

it's because I haunt different Bigfoot groups just to kind of see what's going on. I met her through a page that she was on asking about going on an expedition. Turns out that, long story short again, she is a primatologist. She works at a zoo, and she was telling me, before I even knew that, she was telling me that she and her coworkers were really interested in Bigfoot and would like to go out looking for Bigfoot sometime. And I told her, I said, you know, you don't have to pay for a big expedition. You could just do this, you know, you can just do this like I do.

And I said, well, if you're anywhere near me, I would take you guys out. Again, at this point, I didn't know she was a primatologist. And later found out that the co-workers, she was. talking about that she listens to your podcast. Oh, cool. That's how they started. They all work at the same zoo, and they're the primate department, so they work with gorillas and chimps.

So we started this little thing. We were kind of laughing about it. We were like, well, we should have a logo, and we should have a name, and we called it Project Zoo Book, because we were saying that, you know, even though they are very interested in Bigfoot doesn't mean their zoo boards are. And so we kind of keep it on the down low a little bit. It's a cool name. I like the name. I liked it. I liked it. So they, you know, they have been out with me out to the Pacific Northwest,

looking at the nests that were found out there with the Olympic project. We do a lot of conference calls. And at this point, we have some more primatologists. We have some physical anthropologists, some biologists in there, lots of ologists. And so it's like a collaboration between Bigfoot people and science. that are interested. You know, they always say in the Bigfoot world that science won't take it seriously. Right.

I think honestly, because a lot of them listen to the show, I think there is a lot of closet scientists that are keeping it a distance, but they are very interested to see what's going on with Bigfoot. You know what I mean. I agree. That's what we say. They're in the Bigfoot closet right now, but we're trying to break them out. But we always say our goal is to continue on with what Dr. Bender Nagel did and

make it less taboo to talk about Bigfoot. And they are so open to it. Their joy to listen to and to talk to. So it's a fun thing. So let me ask you. I ask everyone this question. What do you think Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer.

Okay. No. I think that Sasquatch is undiscovered. I don't know if Undiscovered is even the right word because a lot of people have seen them, but an unclassified North American primate. I don't see a reason why it couldn't be that. But I always say I'm open to other ideas because I don't think anybody has a leg up on anybody else. Yeah, there's no experts.

And so, especially with the scientists, that's what I'm looking at it as. But I hear a lot of other stories that I can't quite discard, you know, and they might be something more paranormal if you want to say. But we talked about it this weekend that I really, truly think a lot of things that are called paranormal, we just don't know how they work yet. So that's my view. viewpoint. Well, it was great meeting you this weekend, Amy. Yes, I had so much

fun. I did too. You're my favorite. Thank you for coming on. Thank you so much. And next up on the show, we have Claudio Bergman and Mr. Travis Walton. Travis, thanks for coming back on the show. Claudio, thanks for being here, man. Thank you for having us. Yeah, nice to be with you. And Claudio, when you talk him, we talk

as close as you can to that. Okay. You're a rock star, man. You should know that. I appreciate you guys being here. I know Mr. Walton has his book coming out, firing the sky. Travis, where can people get your book? Travis Walton.com is the website. You can order it there. Got a PayPal. Real simple.

Click and click in order. Yeah, and I got a copy of it at the International Bigfoot Conference. Great book. Claudio did a lot of the artwork. If you guys get a chance, definitely check out his website. Claudio Bergman.com and Bergmanart.com. I'll throw links up on the blog for people check it. You've got to check out Claudio's work.

I mean, it's ridiculous. Isn't it, Travis? Yeah, yeah. The only officially approved representations of my experience. And The Fire in the Sky book, I actually started reading it. It's mainly just your experience throughout the whole thing, isn't it? Yeah, well, you know, there's a lot more to it, you know, the investigation and all the attempts to suppress the incident. quite an onslaught from the skeptics.

And Claudio, how did you get into art, man? Because I know we were talking the other night, you were a musician. And you look like a rock star, so I assumed you were a musician. Well, you have to play the part. Yeah. But tell us how you got into it. Well, I got into art since early age. I mean, I've been drawing since I was a toddler.

And my dad was an architect. and my mom was a huge fan of art in general, so they basically approved. I mean, since I showed interest in drawing and picture books and art books, they just bought me paper, professional paper, and pencils since I was a kid. So I started copying the cartoon characters I used to like for Saturday morning cartoons,

and that's how I started, just copying comic books and copying. characters from the TV. What made you interested in doing the artwork for Travis and his was it just the encounter of what happened to Travis? Is that what drew you into going, I got to be a part of this, I got to draw it, which is amazing artwork. Well, I've always been interested in UFOs and strange phenomena.

And I've been into it since almost the same time I started drawing. I remember watching In Search of with Leonard Nimoy and all those classics UFO documentaries of the San 1970s. I think I watched them all. And Travis's experience is obviously one of the most renowned, not just because of the nature of it, the quality of the encounter, but also because of the amount of witnesses,

and it makes it stounds out for its legitimate. legitimacy of so many people, you know, saw it, you know. It was great spending a day with Leonard DeMoy being interviewed for his show. And it was kind of cool that, you know, UFO magazine asked him, what do you think about UFOs? And years later, you know, what came to mind as he mentioned spending that time with me and saying that he felt I was being truthful. So that was great.

Probably the most definitive UFO encounter ever, really. I mean, when you think of a UFO abduction or encounter, Travis Walton comes in mind. And Betty and Barney Hill. Betty and Barney Hill? Yeah, absolutely. Travis and, you know, Wittler is another famous case. The problem with the, not problem, but the difference with the Wittler experience is it's only his account. Right.

You know? As opposed to Travis and Betty and Barney Hill. it's more than just one witness. Yeah, I tried to stick with all the things that I could document. And there are some pretty interesting stuff that I don't include because I can't document it. Yeah, one question I want to ask you, Travis. I was thinking about you the other day in your encounter, when you and I talked, you were talking about coming out of one ship into the next,

and he ran into this human-like being. Do you ever read the accounts about Valiant Thor, the guy back in like the 50s that he supposedly looks like a human and he had an IQ of I don't know, some ridiculous IQ. Well, I can't say I've heard of that, but it might be interesting to look into.

Yeah, I'll have to send it to you. It made me think of that one account when he said you ran into one that looked kind of human-like and I was listening to this valiant Thor. Anyway, that's all known. Well, I did the DNA study recently, you know, and it was interesting that I had.

some of that Nordic DNA. I've read in several books. I don't know what you think about that, but I've read in several books that the Nordic type of aliens are not, that's not the real physical form. It's just a projection to give you a certain sense of familiarity and to make the contact easier. I don't know if that's true or not, but I don't know, it's an interesting concept, you know, that these aliens look so alien that they need to project into your mind, you know, a reassurance type of image, you know?

Yeah, I agree. That was kind of one of the explanations that I came up with as to why that was what was the type of being to intervene once I was combative and wasn't going to. going to cooperate. And you know, the three little guys that were there when you woke up, they left the room, and then the tall blonde guys came, the one guy came in, right? It's like one guy's out and then one guy's in. So the theory was they came up with something I wasn't going to, you know, be combative with that I would cooperate with because it was very important that they'd get me back under anesthesia in order to complete the medical treatment.

It's an amazing account. Definitely check out Fire in the Sky, and it's Travis Walton.com? Travis Walton.com. Travis Walton.com. And another important thing we should mention is Travis is going to put out a new edition of the book next year. Oh, cool. And it's going to have a whole set of new illustrations.

So we're probably going to start promoting that towards the end of this year. and early next year. Well, you guys are welcome to come back anytime you guys want. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah, absolutely. And definitely check out

Claudio Bergman.com. Again, I'll throw up links and Bergmanart.com. You got to check out Claudio's work. He's got mad skills. Mad skills. Fantastic stuff. Yeah.

That's what people say. Thank you. Thanks, fellas. All right. Thank you so much. Well, I want to welcome Justin to the show who made a movie

Path of the Beast. It's coming out. Justin, welcome to the show, man. Hey, Wes, how you doing? I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. What made you come up with a movie, a Bigfoot movie? Well, as I was telling you earlier,

ever since the Legend of Boggy Creek, I've always wanted to make my own, like, Bigfoot movie, right? And my first film was a horror film, and I was like, man, I really should just stick to the horror genre. Especially I feel like Bigfoot's so good for that. But at the same time, it's like I didn't want to make something that was putting Bigfoot in the wrong kind of light, that it's some kind of evil monster out there, right?

I wanted to give it some kind of human elements as well. So when I was coming up with the concept of Hath and Beast, I thought, man, let's just make this, you know, a good Bigfoot film, right? So to be honest with you, I did a bunch of research when writing this script for this film. And I actually started with Sasquatch Chronicles because I thought, hey, what's the best place to, you know, figure out what the heck Bigfoot is? Because for me, it was like the hardest thing is defining what Bigfoot is, right? because it fits on any so many different realms. So I checked out Sasquatch Chronicles. That's how I actually discovered you guys.

Been listening to a ton of your episodes. I was telling you there's so much content out there. It's just fantastic, man. And once I kind of figured out what I wanted to do with it, I started writing the script. I got involved or learned about the missing 411 stories. And I thought, oh, that'd be a great element to kind of pull into my movie as well. And yeah, that's kind of what got me going. And is a movie out or when is it set to come out?

It's actually right now it's in post-production, so everything's been filmed and all we're doing is waiting for editing, color correction, all that jazz. And once that's finished, we're going to look for shopping around for distribution. But, yeah. Path of the Beast. I'll definitely have to have you back when you bring it out. How is it going to be distributed? Through Amazon and Netflix or is it going to be DVDs? So, as any filmmaker, there's different things or techniques you can kind of do.

I'm just going to shop it around. I think I'm trying to go to the American film market and see if I can sell out, right out. But if not, the thing I'll probably go for is Amazon, because a lot of people have Amazon. Yeah. You'll definitely have to come back when you get the movie out. Now, you made another movie. What was it, Black Eye Kids? Yeah, it's about the Black Eye Kids.

It's called Black Eye Children Let Me In. I actually made it a couple years ago, a few years ago, actually. I was in college, and I heard the stories and I said, what a crazy or scary concept. Why hasn't anybody made a horror movie about this before, right? So, yeah, I got some friends together, some actor friends. And I used my sister, who was 11 at the time, and I made a full-length horror film. Yeah. Where can people get that, the Black Gate Kid?

Oh, that's, it's all over the place. But Amazon Prime, I send people to because if you have Primes on there for free, so check it out. All right, cool, man. And I'll definitely have to give you back. I want to ask you, though, real quick before we go, what do you think Bigfoot is? Holy cow. I get pulled all over the place with that one. I, you know, not to give anything away from the film, but I really feel like it's,

it's some type of human, right? It's like a subspecies of human. And, you know, I don't want to go too crazy with it, but it's like, for me, it makes sense because, like, if there's this human out there, like, what kind of rights does it have? And I feel like if it's out there, the government knows it's out there, right? And why aren't they revealing that they know? Well, maybe it's dangerous to the public, the general public, and maybe it is humans. And like I said, what kind of rights does it have?

That's a good point. I know a lot of people think that. And that's the beauty of this topic as no one really knows. You know what I mean? But as you hear encounters, there is times where you listen to it and you think, well, it's very human-like behavior. There's a lot of times you're listening to go, that's very animalistic. But there is those weird times, man, where you're not really sure.

I was just telling a fan had to stop by, and we were talking about episode 515, I shouldn't be alive where Claire from the UK came here to visit. And a lot of what she describes reminds me of almost like two individuals arguing. It wasn't like animals. It was more like people arguing over whether to kill her or not. You know what I mean? It was bizarre. So you're right.

I mean, you could be right on your theory. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. And, you know, I was just thinking, like, they're around with the Native Americans and they probably saw what happened when, like, the settlers came over here. and how these Native Americans kind of fizzled out. So it would be in best interest for Bigfoot or Sasquatch to stay away from people. So that's why, like, for them, it's like to stay away far away from these guys as possible.

And they're like, they know so much. They're like part of nature and they just know how to live and survive, you know. That's a good point, man. Well, just don't have to have you back, man, when you get your movie out. But I appreciate you coming on, brother. Yes, sir. Thank you so much. This is awesome.

And we are back with Lee. Lee, welcome to the show. Thanks for coming on, man. Thank you. What do you think of a horror hound? I like it. We just came from Crypticon because we found out everybody was down here in Indianapolis, and we were from here, so we just beat feet back to Indiana to come here.

Oh, nice. To be with you guys, because we saw the lineup and thought, this is cool. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate you coming out. And I wanted to, I know you were telling me about your grandfather earlier. Would you mind kind of recounting what your grandfather told you? Yes, sir. I sure will.

I'm from Northern Indiana originally I around the Yorktown Muncie area and I'll give you a little background of my grandfather he was a Sunday school teacher part time and he also was a

he worked at a like a tool and dye shop oh sorry a tool and dye shop where they he was part of the packaging and distributing you know like boxing stuff up and shipping it out

but this story that happened to him happened probably the early 60s is what I'm gathering from it because he had said at the time he had three young children when he talked to this individual and couldn't go with him where he asked him to go but he worked a night shift at a place that did shipping and handling because that's kind of what he did his whole life for a regular job and a guy hires in and as things go at nighttime when you're working and things get slow, you tend to have a conversation about different things. So the conversation came up.

My grandfather asked him, he says, well, do you think that there's such thing as other life in the universe or aliens or UFOs or whatever? And the guy looks at my grandfather real seriously, and he says, well, you're not going to believe this, but he said, I'm not from here. My grandfather's like, yeah, right. You know, this guy's crazy.

and the guy goes on and he tells him that he came from the planet Venus that they lived in the interior of it. The cloud cover on the outside was man-made. And so my grandfather is thinking, man, this guy's really weird here. And this story that he's told me is not like my grandfather to talk about anything like that because he was always into sports and race cars. He built cars and stuff like that. So it was real unusual when I first heard it.

Yeah. And so anyway, they start talking, and he tells him different things about Venus. He asked my grandfather, he says, if I could arrange it, would you be interested in going there? And my grandfather said, yeah, but the guy told him, he says, if we take you there, you're going to be there for 10 years. And he says, if we take you there for 10 years, he said, when you come back here, he said, you will be so intelligent that the smartest people that are on this planet, it will seem to have the intelligence of a monkey to you. And so my grandfather told him, he says, well, I can't, I can't do it because I've got three small children that I got to take care of.

And if I did, and I would sure like to go. And so one night the guy asked my grandfather if he'll take him home. And my grandfather says, yeah, he said, I'll take you home. And so they get in a car. They start heading to this guy's house or wherever he stays. and my grandfather said back then the gravel roads were like washboard roads and real rough suspension back in those days in the car is because they're not wouldn't as smooth and as good of technology as what we have now

so anyway they're driving down the road and it's just really bumpy and beating them to death in the car and my grandfather says the guy turns to him and looks and says do you notice anything different about the car and my grandfather says yeah the road smoothed out well this guy told him, he says, I'm making it levitate off the, you know, to where the suspension's not. He actually could. He wasn't touching the ground. Well, it wasn't that the car wasn't touching the ground. He had relieved pressure with his mind off the suspension somehow.

So my grandfather thinks that's weird, you know. So he takes him home or whatever and comes back to work. So they get to talking more about the extraterrestrial stuff. He says to him, he says, if I could ever. arrange it for you to go to any planet in the solar system where would you like to go and so my grandfather tells him that he would like to go to um mars because he always liked to watch uh i think it was either buck rogers or flashboard but i think it was buck rogers and that kind of piqued his interest and so the guy says okay well i'll arrange for you to go well at the same time he'd asked my grandfather

about um he'd never been with a woman before because he said where they come from that they didn't do do that or whatever, you know. And so he asked my grandfather if he could arrange for him to meet a woman. So my grandfather said, yes. And so my grandfather takes him to the red light district. He goes in with the guy. He said he picks out a woman. They go upstairs.

Can I say that on the air? Yeah. Sorry. Picks out a woman. They go upstairs. And about 15 minutes later, they come back down. And the woman is like shaking her head disbelief. And so my grandfather said,

Becky, you just didn't ask people what happened or, you know, because it wasn't a proper thing. do. Right. And so might have been okay in a whorehouse, so. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, it might have been, yeah. So, time goes on, they go back to work. He arranged for my

grandfather to go, basically go to Mars, and my grandfather takes him out through the country, picks him up, takes him out through the country in the car. They drive, my grandfather described it as a lane that went back into a woods out in the middle of nowhere, and he said that inside

the woods was a little square area where there was, it was just a flat pasture and he said sitting in the middle of it is a silver disc shaped object or craft. And he said they get out, they go on board. He said there's three others and he said they look just like us. You couldn't tell the difference. And the guy he worked with the guy look human, I would imagine. Yes, yes. And they get on board. My grandfather said he remembered as the things pulling away, he said how pretty the earth looked from space. And And he said, just as they were getting above it and away from it, he said it was just like the flip of a switch.

They were in the atmosphere of Mars. You could see Mars. They're coming down. They're going down to the surface. And he says as they're approaching towards the ground, the crew tell him, they said, now we're going to go down here and we're going to show you that there is life here. And he said the life lives underground, but he said in no way, shape, or form are we to make contact with these beings. So they land. My grandfather and them, they get out of the craft. He says,

he describes it as like a desert, like red surface. And he said there are boulders. There's a great big boulder outcropping. There's behind it observing these creatures coming up out of the ground. And my grandfather, I asked him, I said, well, what did these creatures look like? And he said, these creatures, he said they were seven to eight feet tall, covered in hair from head to toe, but they had human features, facial features, and he said it's what people would consider what a big foot, they think a big foot would look like. Interesting. And so he gets so excited.

This is the story he tells. He says he gets so excited. He's like, I'm from Earth. I can't believe it. I'm on Mars. I'm just so excited. He's just pumped. And he tries to go around the rock to make contact.

And he said, when he tried to do that, he said it was like he got zapped, like they knocked him out, like stunned him with something, knocked him out. and the next thing he knew he was bouncing half on and half off of the bed at home. At home, huh? At home. And so he goes back to work. The guide doesn't come back to work. He's gone.

And so weeks go by, and it's like this guy has never existed, you know, kind of thing. And my grandfather's thinking he's going crazy. And then he remembers that he had taken him to this brothel where this woman was at. So he goes back. He goes back there. and he finds the lady and he says, do you remember a few weeks ago or whenever this happened?

I brought this guy in, such and such, and the lady tells him, she says, yeah, she said, I remember that. And he said, do you mind if I ask what I happened? And she said, no, not at all. And she tells my grandfather, when they get up to the room, he doesn't want to do anything with her, but he wants to interview her and ask her why she does,

what she does, how she does it, more anatomical questions like anatomy and stuff like that. Strange, strange. And it's a strange story for you, I mean, if he's going to make up a story, it's such a bizarre story to make up. I mean, did he, was there anything else from that that you remember from him telling me about either being on Mars or this gentleman that he? Well, the only other thing else that I have about it is that my great-grandparents, they were alive when I was a little kid, and I remember my dad and them talking, that's how I even found out about it that even happened because nobody would ever talk about it. He didn't even tell me about it until I asked him. And he tried to tell them the story. And when I would go over to my great-grandparents' house,

and I'd try to watch, like, Logan's Run or Battlestar Galactic or whatever in the 70s, they would say, you're not going to watch that. And they would shut it off. And I never knew why. And my great-grandfather had tried to tell them, or my grandfather had tried to tell my great-grandparents why it happened, which had been his mom and dad. And they told him that, they didn't believe him, they made fun of him, they ridiculed him, and he started crying.

And so he just clammed up and would never tell that story. And he probably would have never told that story unless I asked specifically asked about it. And so I asked my dad, I said, when he was little, I said, did he ever take you and show you anything like UFO or anything like that? And he said one time, my dad said one time they got in the car and he took him out to show him where it had happened. and he said as they're getting approaching the place my dad said this silver bullet looking type object is hovering like above the trees and he said it turns just like a you know turns on edge and just shoot straight up just gone well so yeah it's amazing account you know you hear of accounts like that today and i don't really know what to make of it a lot of people claim they've been to mars and which you know i think back

when your grand one that happened to your grandfather you would think oh you know you know that's impossible. I don't know that it's impossible now. And you hear these accounts, you're just not sure what to make of it. You know, bizarre accounts. People go on there for 20 years, like on the confessionals, 20 years and back.

And I know the guy he had on that claimed he was part of some secret space program. He talked about Mars. And I remember telling Tony, either he's lying or that really happened or someone implanted those memories and that poor guy's head. I don't think he's lying because there's not, I don't get one sense that this guy's lying.

They're like, those memories to those guys is as vivid is just like, it's more than a, just like a dream or whatever. There's a guy by the name of Dr. Frank E. Stranges. I don't know if you can find it on YouTube anymore because the way they've changed things around, but if you can find interviews on YouTube

about Dr. Frank E. Stranges, it's almost the things that he says on there about that guy and like that he had, abilities like he could like appear well. Oh, you're talking about Valiant Thor? Valiant Thor, yes. And for the audience, look up Valiant Thor.

It's a guy that claimed that he was an alien. And there's a lot of weird things around this mystery man showing up and then he was gone, you know. I didn't mean to cut you off. For the audience, that's who Valiant Thor is. And there's a, the problem that I have with the Valiant Thor thing is, I think that, you know, Howard Minger talked about Valiant Thor also. And that's how Frankie Stranges got on to it, I take it.

But you know who Phil Schneider is, the guy that, the underground bases? Phil Schneider had a picture that, look, didn't look totally. He claimed that it was Valiant Thor, but like the guy has blonde hair in it. And the original photograph supposedly of Valiant Thor, he's got black hair. It's like black hair. Yeah, so I've seen that discrepancy. But Dr. Frankie Strangess says some things in there that my grandfather kind of validated before I even had ever heard of Frankie Strangers.

I was watching like a show at like 1 o'clock in the morning like sightings or something like that, like in the late 90s, and Frankie Stranges comes on and I'm like, I've heard this before. Yeah, and if you look up to President Eisenhower, he was acting weird right after this guy claims to have shown up. He does a lot of odd things,

his behavior's way off. Yes. And they claim that he met Valiant Thor, but his behavior as well. But I want to ask you about your encounter. You had the encounter here in Indiana, correct? Yeah, you want to know about the footprint and the eyes and all that? Yeah, tell us about it.

I'll tell you the first encounter that I had was around 93, 94. I didn't get to tell this to you, but I was deer hunting and we got permission to hunt a new place. It was me and my two cousins, and I didn't have a tree stand at the time. So I was going to hunt on the ground. So my cousin picked a place on the outside of this woods, and I went in about two, 300 yards, and I found an area where there was four ridges that met, and down in the bottom, it was a bowl.

And if the deer came in there, they was going to be within 30 yards, so I was going to get a good shot because it was an opening day of gun season. It was foggy out that morning. We got there about an hour before daylight. It was foggy. It was so pitch, dark, black,

that you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. So I find my way back to the tree in the dark because I'd broke up a tree, and felt my way back to there. I get to the trees where I set up my little blind behind the tree and I lean my gun up against it and I'm standing there and probably about 15 minutes into the hunt. I'm hearing something coming down the ridge to my right,

which would be in the deepest part of the woods. So I'm thinking, man, these guys are running deer in here. And I'm going to get the pick of them. You know, I'm going to get the big boy this morning. So I hear this thing coming to my right and he comes down or whatever. say he, whatever it was, it came down the ridge, got down in the bowl, and then got at an angle to me to my left. And these, it looked like, what at first when I saw, it looked like two lights kicked on. They had black slits in them. And what I thought, what it thought it looked like

was, uh, you seen the cartoon Felix, the cat? Yeah, of course, yeah. The clock thing where the eyes moved back and forth. Well, the, the eyes looked like that, but it was more of an amber color. eye shine or glow or whatever but there wouldn't have been shine because there wasn't nothing to for it to reflect off of us so at first I thought there's some other hunters

that's in here and they're messing with me and they put two coon lights on their you know like those on their hats or whatever and they're trying to scare me out of here so I'm just looking at it and I'm thinking to myself are you really seeing this

what in the world is this because I've never seen anything like that you know in the woods and so just as quick as it came it either closed its eyes or it turned its tail and then it just continued on out of the woods. You heard it leave too?

Yes. You talk about the slits, like a snake? Yes, like a reptile would have the slits in its eyes. But there was no, you couldn't catch like an outline. It was mainly just two glowing eyes. That's crazy. And the weird thing of it is that the light that was emitting from it was like it was self-illuminated. It wasn't like it wasn't lighten up the woods or anything.

It wasn't like headlight type of a light, if that makes sense. I don't understand. you know like the physics of it or how it works but that was just that was weird to me yeah that would be weird that'd be crazy too when you're out there you know and seen that and you know like they talk about how people have mind speak or whatever like things talking well this it wasn't really like I can't say it was like a voice in my head or a mind speak but

what I got away from that I took away from that experience was it basically it was like an understanding between me and it that it wanted me to know is like it said I want you to know that I'm here but it wasn't aggressive towards me. I didn't smell a smell. Now, I'm looking down a hill that's probably, I don't know, maybe 15 feet to the bottom, and this thing's almost up to,

not necessarily eye level, but a little bit lower than eye level. So it must have been tall, whatever it was. Right. Well, tell me about the, you said you found footprints? Yes, we found footprints in, should I say the place? Yeah, you can say it. It's Owen County is where it was at. I'm just going to say that,

If they're in there, I don't want people, I don't want people bother them or getting hurt. But it was last April, and it was during mushroom season. And me and my mom had went there. The water had came up in this particular area along a creek. And it's 7,000 acres back in there. And there's no roads in this area. It's like landlocked piece of property. And I go back about 200 yards into the woods around the creek.

I'm not finding any mushrooms. And the reason I took my mom there was because the water had come up, pushed the leaves out, and it was still cold enough out that we were kind of get to jump on everybody else to get the mushrooms if we could. And I went down in the creek, and I come up,

and when I came up the little embankment off the creek, I'm standing in a little depression, like, I don't know, it was a wash or whatever that go from the woods back to the creek. and as I'm standing there I just happen to look down and I see a little footprint and I think I think it's on the cliffs cliff Rockman site Can I plug? Yeah, of course. I'm sorry But it's it's on there you can see the it's the last footprint and his impressions thing as Cliff Brockman.com. I believe it is Yeah, from finding good just type in Cliff Rockman you'll find it. But anyway, it's it's in the it's in that impression. So when I saw it, I told my mom I said I'll circle way around here because I whatever this is I'm going to try to track

this if I can track it because I've hunted for 30 years and I'm pretty decent at tracking deer and finding them when nobody else can find him so she swings way out around so we're standing there and we're looking at it and I said what do you think that is mom and she said I don't have any idea you know I mean it looks like a little tiny human footprint yeah perfect little footprint and so I'm standing there looking and I tried to track it for about 30 40 minutes and there was no other footprint at all it was just like that one footprint and that was it and as I when I first found that footprint, it'd be to the north of where I was at, where I found it,

I could hear stuff back there breaking, cracking, like something is just hauling butt, bulldozing, bulldozing, going through the woods getting away. So I don't know if something, like, it had scooped up the baby and it had run off with it. That's kind of what my take on it was. Yeah, it could have been. It could have been.

What do you think that Sasquatch is leave? What do I think it is? Well, Daniel Boone talks about, supposed to be getting a Yahoo long time. ago. Yeah. And I don't know. I think it's,

if it ain't something from another planet, then it's been here ancient for a long time, and I think they live underground. I really think that's a possibility that they live underground. I think they store food maybe. Could be. Could be. And if you was an underground cavern and you knew how to store food underground,

that'd be a good place to do it. But I think sometimes they migrate maybe. They might migrate from place to place. I know that around Lake Lemon over where we're at, they've had some exciting at a campground over there. Another part of my footprint experience was in November, I had gotten a deer. And so I took it to the local processing plant. And I was talking to this guy, and he was checking me in. And I knew the guy because I've turned him in there before.

And I asked him, I said, do you, I said, where do you like to hunt at? He says, I hunt over in Owen County. And so I said, dude, I said, you got to see this picture of this little footprint that I found. And so I'm showing this footprint and it is like he turns pale white and he just like clams up. And he waits until we get outside. And he tells me, he says, man, he said, you're not going to believe this. But he says in April during mushroom season, he said, me and my brother was over, he named the, this little church up the road from where I found my footprint is a few miles away.

But anyway, he said they were back up in the woods mushroom hunting, and he said that they saw four of them. They saw a gray one and three black ones. And he said that the gray one, I think it was a gray one, it threw a rock at them, and it wooked. And then he said they run off in the woods away from them. And he said the weirdest thing about it was, as big as they were, he said they didn't hardly make a sound when they tore off through the woods. You hear that all the time, don't you, when eyewitnesses come on? You know, there's a famous case down there in southern Indiana. Is there?

White one? They were talking about the white one. I wear a gray one. Well, I had, after I talked to him about six months or so, after I talked to him, I'd talked to a real estate guy down around Spencer. We'd stopped in at like a little yard sale thing. And I started talking to this guy and I had a Bigfoot shirt on or maybe he had something with Bigfoot on.

But anyway, that subject came up about Bigfoot. And he starts telling me this story. I didn't even say anything about the footprint or none of that. And he starts telling me this story about his buddy was out mushroom hunt. and he saw a gray one. It came in and it saw him, and it turned around and just went right back up the trail and left. So they're seeing a gray one around there somewhere.

Yeah, definitely a lot going on here in Indiana. And Lee, thanks for the warm welcome to your beautiful city. You're welcome. Love it here. You have to come back and see this. You guys mind end up finding me here. I'll be the stepson to Indiana. Hey, well, you'd be more welcome, man.

I really appreciate it. I've been knee-deep in fingernails, trying to get on your show to tell you these stories. No, I'm so glad to get him young, man. Thanks again for coming on. I'm glad I got to tell you this, man. That means a lot to me. Yeah, brother.

Appreciate it. I wish you the best, sir. Thanks, man. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatchpronicals.com. If you get a chance, check out Sasquatchpronicals.com. You can become a member and get additional shows.

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