Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP: 886 Something Out Of A Nightmare

Episode Date: September 4, 2022

Next week I will be traveling but I am going to pack my equipment and do some interviews. I am also going to try to do some video production. I am packing up for PhenomeCon. If you are going to be in Vernal Utah next week stop by and say hi. Tonight I will be posting a rewind one of my favorites. Something Out Of A Nightmare Bill writes "I was 15 it was second day of buck season. It was around 7am. It was snowing so the sun wasnt out full like usual. I heard what sounded to me like a damn bull running through the thickets. There was a deer run just next to it. My stand was about 25-30 yards from where the deer run shot through the thickets. I had clear shots all around. Our stands were built 360 around two giant oak trees. Anyway I was seriously waiting to see a damn brama bull come plowing through this scrub. So I sat on the bench up there and figured whatever it is my chance of getting a buck were gone for next few hours. So I leaned back against the tree and put my 30.06 across my lap. My dad insisted we always loaded heavy with hollow points. My dad reloaded all out ammo. I'm not sure what grain he used in the shells. But I know you couldn't buy them with that much grain powder in them. Anyway. All sudden everything just goes silent. You know that Erie silence you hear when it is snowing. Like the snow absorbers all sound. No more birds, squirrels, nothing there was no sound. Lime mother nature hit the mute button. Then I saw movement. It was about 6 doe trying to sneak by. When they got near the thicket my jaw dropped. These doe jumped straight up in the air! And there legs were running in mid air as well. 4 doe sprinted away when the hoofs hit the ground. But what exploded out of the thorny thicket was these two massive BFs they were on top of these does in milliseconds grabbed them by the throats and snapped the does necks as if they were breaking twigs! These monsters were both reddish brown. Their faces were something out of nightmares. I froze. Did not move a muscle. I just watch as they threw these does probably about 150 pounds each over there should like I would have my book bag from school. And then they walked right under my stand. And stopped. Then what happened next it was all I could do not to piss myself. From right under me came this Unholy roar. That seemed to go on forever. The tree stand was vibrating from the sound waves. Then when the roast stopped, I heard the other go like humph!! And then they walked away with their prize over there shoulder. As they walked I watched them and it was if the trees swallowed them up and they were gone. Next I heard running towards my stand, but it wasnt heavy. It was my dad. He ran to me when he heard the roar. He was running towards me with the intent to shoot anything to save me. My dad did three tours in Vietnam. He was running as if he was going into battle. I didnt recognize it when I was 15, but after my training in the Navy. I was a Navy Corpsman with 2nd Marine recon battalion out of camp legune NC. When I saw there faces I became terrified because it triggered a memory from when I was like 5 or six. And something with that sinister face and teeth would stare through the window in my bedroom of that cabin. I was to terrified to run to my dad. I couldn't even speak. I was frozen in fear. My mind must have blocked it out, until I saw them that day when I was 15. My dad had to climb up to me in the tree stand and assist me down the tree. It was if my brain locked every muscle in my body. I couldn't even speak for about 10 minutes or so. I was in shock. That roar right under me sent a fear through every fiber in my mind body and soul."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind. It either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up. That shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moved like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chumtering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet of what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus, get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right here.

Uh-uh. This is Casey Shaw, and you're listening to Sasswatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here. Got a great show planned for you. We're going to be chatting with Bill. And I met Bill probably three or four years ago, and he was telling me about his encounter,

and Bill got really sick, and I had not heard from him in a long time. And I'd actually thought a lot about Bill's encounter when he told me about it. I've thought about him over the years, and he recently reached out to me, and I'm so happy to have him on tonight. Very scary encounter in Pennsylvania

when he was hunting with his dad, and then later in life he got married and kind of moved out in the middle of nowhere and had a strange experience out there as well. If you've had an encounter and he'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquash Chronicles.com, and let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Bill to the show. Bill, thanks for coming on. No problem. Yeah, I appreciate it again. And I know that we're going back to the 80s. And this is in Pennsylvania. It was kind of a family of property. If you would, take us back to that moment. Kind of what were you doing and what happened?

Okay. Well, we had about 15, 16 acres in dense pine woods. Okay, so it was prime, prime white tail hunting. It was great. And in the summertime, we would go up, and my dad had four tree stands he put up. And there were permanent tree stands. You know, one thing, it never really clicked on me until what happened happened was my dad put these tree stands 20 feet in the air. And, you know, I asked them several times why we're putting these up so high.

And he just said, because you get. get a better shot. We cleared out shooting lanes and stuff. He goes, you just have a better angle. I didn't question them. I went hunting the first year when I was 13 and got nothing. I basically fell asleep in the woods. But he had me in, he put me up in the one tree stand in the far corner of the property.

Now, he was in another tree stand. Like I said, we had four of them. there's where how we had them is there there was two on the on the west side of the property on two on the east side of the property and if you're on the west side you could see each other in the tree stands there you mean probably about a hundred 150 yards apart you could see the orange through the trees um he put me put me up there and we didn't have a ladder we didn't use ladders or anything like that we use climbing spikes he didn't want any he this is what he said and it didn't you know it didn't dawn on me until you know uh we use climbing spikes so that nothing else can climb up to the tree stand i didn't question him about that but um okay let's get to the needy-gritty um it was the first day of first day of deer season we walk out from the from the cabin it's dark you know he told me we don't need to flashlights, you know, he goes, just follow me.

He was, my dad was, uh, did three tours of NOM. He goes, I can see in the dark. Just follow me. Um, okay. We got to where he was going to put me up there and I climbed up and he made sure, you know, I had everything situated and he climbed back down and then he went off to his stand. It was, it was just starting to flurry. Okay.

And you know how when it's not, when it's not, when it's. when there's snow in the air, it's like dead silent. It was like that. And then it got, they got lighter and lighter, but it wasn't completely daylight yet. It was still like in between. I don't know what you want to call that. But the snow stopped and I started hearing a squirrel going crazy. I want to say apeshit because he was going crazy.

And yippening. yoplin and barking and everything and then all of a sudden nothing i mean it was quieter than this when it was snowing and i could hear something walking sneaking and it was it was four legs walking through and as i looked it was it was about four or five dough sneaking through um now it was it wasn't dough season it was it was only buck season so the dough we just let go by But as I stood there, I mean, I was sitting in a, sitting up in the tree, and as I sat there and I was looking down, I had a 30-odd-six, I had it going, I had it laying across my lap. What happened next?

It felt like it came out of a horror movie. There's a lot of Laurel and thorns on each side of this game trail where the deer sneak through. At the end, where we cleared everything out, They, the laurels and the thorns just stop. Well, the dough snuck out and all of a sudden they, they, they, something spooked them. And they just, they kind of like took off, but something moved like a flash. I mean, it was like, you know, snap your fingers and it's done. Grabbed a hold of that deer.

Actually, it was two of them. Grabbed a hold of, it was two of these creatures, grabbed a hold of two deer. and broke the necks of these deer. And, I mean, so fast that if you blinked, you would have missed it. And I didn't think creatures could move this fast. I mean, it's unreal when you watch these things move. Okay. I just sat there, motionless, and I could feel the wind at my back.

And as soon as the wind hit this creature, his eyes went up because he smelled me. and but I was up in the air and then it's like he walked up and look he was underneath the tree stand there were two of them there was a big one I mean he was ginormous I would say he had to be at least 10 feet okay and like five feet five feet of the shoulders 10 feet tall and the other one was about eight feet they're both male I only say they were both male. I didn't see any genitalia, but they both had like the triangular shape,

ripped muscles, abdomen and stuff. It didn't look like a female's body. The big one walked underneath the tree stand and looked up, and I looked at this thing, eye to eye,

and it led off a yell. I mean, it roared underneath my, I mean, I felt my whole body shake. It was like, I quivered. I pissed myself. Okay. It reached up and put it as it was roaring, it grabbed the top of the tree stand without even leaving his feet off the ground. Now, that, okay, I'm sorry. It touched the tree stand, like right next to where my feet were. Just put its hand on the top.

And it was, I kind of was like, I can reach you if I want to. I could pull you down if I want to. I think the only thing that saved my life at this point is I never moved that 30 odd six off my left. I never, it's like I forgot it was there. I was trembling. Like I said, I pissed myself. I felt, I, I, I, I could not move. The roar had, I mean, I've, I've heard lions roar in the zoo.

And this thing has those things beat by far. A lion would run from this thing. And my dad, I started hearing, I started hearing him running from where he was. from where he was. Now, let me tell you this. He carried a 30 odd six as well. But instead of carrying a sidearm, wherever we went, no matter where we were,

what time of the year it was, he carried a salt-off 12-gauge, pump-12-gauge. So it's not like a double barrel. It was a pump-12-gauge. He had the plug taken out so he could put six rounds in it and one in the chamber.

I think it was five in, I forget how, because I forget, how he did it. Anyway, and he had, he called him pumpkin balls, is what he called him, but they're buckshot. And that's what he carried in this thing all the time. So he had to know that these things were there. Now, I don't even know if that would have hurt this thing. It would have hurt it, but I sure as hell, it wouldn't have killed it. And I know when people think of this, and they say, well, I want a shotgun, a 12 gauge with full buckshot in it, kill this thing.

Well, once you see it and see the mass of this, you understand why it ain't going to kill it. So, but when he was running up, I just heard his footsteps. These two things, creatures, Bigfoot, you know, I did not know. I watched the Patty film before, and this is not Patty. Okay. And I didn't realize that these things lived in Pennsylvania. I thought they were like, you know, northwest states, you know, like everybody else did. It had one hand up on the tree stand.

And in the other hand, just to give you an idea how massive these hands are, he was holding the back of the deer. and the deer's legs were not touching the ground. He was just holding it. Like as if somebody were to palm a basketball and hold it there. He was just holding it there like it was nothing. And the other one had the deer slung up over its shoulder just standing there and looking at me. After he roared and he was touching the tree stand,

he kind of went like, at the end of the roar he went humph. like okay I put you in your place I'm done and these two turned and walked away and they made no sound as they walked away and it was like as if they were walking away they just like disappeared into the woods

I mean they were just like there and then they were gone and my dad comes running up and he finally gets there and he's and he's calling me and calling me and calling me and I'm not responding. I'm just like catatonic. So he climbs up and I end up basically waking up in the cabin. So I found out that my dad had to actually carry me back to the cabin. He left all the stuff in the tree stand and just carried me back to the cabin

and laid me on one of the beds in there, sat there and waited for me to wake up. And when I did, I didn't really remember everything because I was just still like in just shock. The next couple days, I was, I felt like I had the flu, the worst case of the flu I've ever had. And now I know he probably hit me with a ton of infrasound. Yeah, it could have been infrasound. And I know this isn't the easiest thing for you to do. And it's not an enjoyable experience talking about it. But I'm really glad to have you discuss what.

happened to you. So after you wake up during this time period, do you ever sit down and actually talk to your dad? Oh, yeah, we had a nice long talk. You know, after I kind of came out of my cloud, he sat me down. He goes, so he goes, are you ready to talk about those things? I'm sorry, I mean to swear on your show.

He goes, they're not your friends, okay? he goes, trust me, they're not your friends. He told me about how he got introduced with these things from my mom's dad and my grandfather, because it was his cabin and property that he built up and we just go there and hunt. Well, now it's all the families now, but anyway, yeah, we had a very long talk. We were supposed to go up deer hunting for the, for the entire week. well the first day we went hunting and then it was like the rest of the week we just kind of vaged in the in the cabin and talked because i refused to go outside period i wasn't going

outside and he goes you got to go back outside and i said nope and he goes let's put it this way we had an outhouse okay so if he had to do number two you were going outside I always wondered, you know, when I was younger growing up, why if I had to go to the bathroom or somebody had to go to the bathroom at night and they went out to the outhouse, there was always somebody out there armed while you went to the bathroom. It never dawned on me. I mean, my grandfather, he kept an elephant gun up there. Now, that would bring that thing down. I mean, a real elephant gun up there. Yeah, I've heard a few encounters.

like this bill and mainly it's from bow hunters because you know bow hunters are kind of the ninjas of in the hunting world they're the guys that you almost have to be with the way they hunt and what they used to hunt and a lot of times with these bow hunters they're they're covered in camo and before I ask you about descriptions and everything when you were in your tree stand were you all camoed out in in Pennsylvania for deer season you cannot be in camouflage. You have to have a lot of orange all over you. Now, I wore orange flors and orange camouflage. I had black and orange on me, but it wasn't like tree bark or anything like that because you can't do that in Pennsylvania. Well, back then, I don't know the rules now because I don't live in

Pennsylvania anymore. Yeah, and the reason why I was, I asked you that, Bill, is I've talked to bow hunters who've had this sort of experience where these creatures will walk up to a tree stand and almost kind of like what in the world are you? And every one of those guys was really camoed out. I guess when the wind changed and it hit the creature, that's really what changed this whole atmosphere of this encounter. For the audience, can you kind of describe what you saw? It had like a charcoal gray skin,

but instead of being like, everyone's black hair and stuff, it was like a burgundy, brown hair. The other one was darker. It was closer to like dark brown and black, but this one was like a brighter burgundy brown. But his skin was like charcoal. When he roared, I saw the inside of his mouth. And the best way to describe it is, I mean, how wide it went, is you could probably put one of those seedless watermelons, and he could probably, you know, bite that in half.

He didn't have, like, the flat teeth, like some of them. He had, like, the baboon-style teeth with the fangs of, you know, what I mean. You know, there was no snout, no like that. It was just a flat face, but when he opened his mouth and roared, those teeth, that's the one thing I remember the most is these teeth. they the best way I can describe them

is they were like car keys I mean they were I mean they were huge I mean they were I say they were huge but they were

proportionized size for his mouth take your car key and you know look at it and I'm not talking you know like the black part

I'm talking the silver part that's how long his canines were they were freaking huge and then the other ones just looked sharp but they didn't look like

you know pointy and jaggy they were the flat ones it's just those canines and the eyes were brown the nose was flat I mean he had humanoid features the head

you know everyone says it's like pointing and like the conical I didn't know the word conical until I started listening to your show back when you started. It wasn't like a football. The best way I could describe it is like a rugby. You know, rugby ball?

The fur was long. I want to ask you, you know, you'd mentioned kind of the humanoid type of appearance. When you were watching these creatures, did the expression on the face change? I know you're mainly focused on the large one, but did the expression on the face change at all. Yeah. When they came out of that Laurel and

Bramble-like thorns, it was a smash that came out of there. Like I said, it was so fast that, you know, I kind of like shook my head that did I really see that? When they grabbed those deer and just like snapped their necks real quick,

they looked at each other and they were kind of like, they kind of like, I don't want to say grunted or cheered or like Jerry or anything like that, but they were kind of like they got their deer. They got their meal. They're, they were, they seemed happy. And then as soon as that wind blew and he got a whiff of me, it just like went from, you know, like when, when you're smiling and laughing and all of a sudden, you know, somebody just pisses you the hell off. And you just. stop laughing and the whole facial expression goes to I'm going to kill you.

That's basically what I had looking at me and I was like I said I was 20 feet near and this happens where it happened at was maybe 20 yards from me, 25 yards. So it's not like it was that far away or they snagged these deer. not sure the opening that we opened up for our shooting lanes and they were using them for their hunting

and I ruined his good time and ruined his hunt he didn't like run up to me but I'm saying 25 yards away where they were where they got where they were standing there they got these deer to the underneath the tree stand, like I said, he didn't run. He just took like three steps and he was there.

And I mean, that's how big this thing was. I mean, you just took like three steps and he's there. The way he moved, it wasn't like he was really walking. It was kind of like he glided those three steps across. Like, like it sounds stupid and almost unimaginable, but it was like almost that he didn't even touch the ground when he walked across there. That's how smooth he moved. And he didn't just like stand under there, you know, and wait a second, you know, he glided there and when he got underneath the tree stand and one fail swoop had his hand on my tree stand and then looked up and yelled and, you know, I say, I say roared, but he was probably yelling and screaming at me. It's a terrifying encounter, Bill, and I don't think I would have handled it. I really admire you.

you because I don't think I would have handled it as well as you did at that moment. I guess really, what do you do? I mean, you're a 15-year-old kid in a tree stand. This thing walks up. I mean, really, what are you going to do? You know, as far as the way they move, and I've heard probably half a dozen, maybe a dozen encounters like this to where they run down deer or wild hog. And when hunters describe it, they describe it very much like, hey, you just did.

I mean, it's like a flash, and they snap the deck. and the animal's dead and they're walking off with it. Listening to the way you describe the way they move and, you know, other eyewitnesses, it makes you wonder, I don't know any other animal on the planet that can move the way these things move. It was, it was like something in the 80s, okay, we had the movie The Howling, how fast those things moved in that movie. That's the speed. That's the terror.

That's, you know, I mean, they didn't look like that, obviously. But I'm just trying to compare that's how fast, aggressive, and mean, you know, I mean, if anybody can remember that iconic 80s horror movie, it was right out of a freaking horror movie. I mean, pure horror. I mean, I can't, I can't, Wes, I've been to war. And I wasn't as afraid as when I was there. And that sounds stupid. And especially with, you know, what's going on in the world today and everything. But I was getting shot at.

And I wasn't as afraid as when I was then. Because when I wasn't bore, I was trained for that. I knew what I was supposed to do. I had no freaking idea what I was supposed to do at this time. Yeah, I don't think that sounds stupid at all, Bill. I get completely what you mean. I mean, you're prepared to go to war. I don't know if you're ever really prepared to have someone shoot in your general direction, but you train as best you can. This situation, though, is very different. You know, this is something that isn't supposed to exist. This is something most people laugh about, you know, but they're very, very real. And it's like when you're in the moment and you find out that it's very real, you just don't know what to do. You're hoping not to do. You're hoping not to do. something to escalate or piss us saying off to where, because, you know, if it comes for you, there's really nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. I mean, if they, if he wanted to, you know, if he wanted to reach up and grab my leg and, you know,

whip me around and smash my head on the ground, there's not a damn thing I could have done. Nothing. Yeah, and I have a few theories about your encounter. I want to ask you, though, Bill, you know, when it walked up and it didn't harm you, I remember first time you told me about this years ago, I was wondering, I almost wonder if it didn't hurt you because it realized you were just a kid. I mean, you're just a 15-year-old kid up in a tree stand. Or if it was something else, what are your thoughts? Why do you think the creature didn't harm you? I had, you know, I've had many years to think about this.

And I had a lot of conversations with my dad before he passed away. I think he remembered me because I would go, we would go up to the cabin, you know, as I was a little kid. I grew up going to the cabin and spending weekends, weeks there, you know. And I've totally forgotten about it because I was a kid and I just blocked it out. I would go up there. We had a big picture window in the front of the cabin. At night before going to bed, I would have my match boxes and stuff all over the the couch in front of the window there.

And I would look up and I told my pap that there's a, I said, there's a black man, a very large black man looking at me. And, you know, I didn't know. And my grandfather walked over slowly and closed the blinds and said, let's get away from the window. Then after that, you know, they made sure that the windows were closed at night. And, I mean, not closed, but the blinds are closed.

Because it was like when they sensed when there was kids in that cabin. Okay, because, you know, it wasn't me. It was cousins or, you know, you know what I mean. I have siblings, younger siblings. And they can recall seeing these things through the windows. up there. But they never had an encounter hunting. Only I did. So maybe he remembered me. Maybe he didn't. You know, I don't know. But if there was a child up there at Spentonite, those things are tapping on the windows. It is strange how they do seem to focus in on little kids and they will

come up to windows at night, especially the little kids for some reason. I know you come from a long military family and your grandfather obviously knew about him and kind of a weird reaction to be like, hey, let's just close the blinds and good enough. But later in life, I know that you had spoken with him and he knew about him. Your dad knew about him. And it sounds like most of the family knew about them. Going back to when you were in the tree stand, and I realize your focus is mainly on this one right there in front of you, were you able to kind of see what the other one was doing when the large one walked up to your tree stamp. I have no idea.

He kind of like faded into the, into the, it was like a, he just like kind of blurred out. I mean, I was focused on this thing in front of me. I never looked, you know, to see where the other one was. I mean, for all I know, he walked behind me on the, on the, it was on behind me of the tree. And then, you know, when everything was said and done, he was back over there because they moved so fast, he could have done that. You know, I don't know where he went. All I did was focus on that.

one that where my boot was, the toe of my boot, to his tip of his huge, you know, sausage-like finger was less than an inch. So, I mean, and, you know, I could tell, I saw the, his fingernails. They were black and they were shark. I mean, it's, it's, it's not like they were like, like, uh, claws, you know, like a, like a cat has claws or something like that. It was, It was thick fingernails. And, you know, you could see some of them were broken, you know, cracked and here and there. But you could also tell that they were, some of them had like, they were, they were a little bit longer. They were thick.

And it was almost like, if you were to take a stone and just like kind of put an edge on them, that's what they're like. Yeah. And I understand that. I mean, you're, you probably even forgot where the other one went because, you know, this thing is right there in front of you. I get that completely. And it's so cool that you were able to, I know you don't feel this way, but you were so close and you're able to see so many details. I know you'd rather soon just forget this whole thing ever happened. You would tell me about your father. And when he was in the, in the military, he had an encounter up at Fort Lewis here in Washington State. Do you mind sharing that? when he was like 18, 19 years old, after he was drafted, and I went through boot and everything, and they were getting ready. They were going to depart for Vietnam in,

like, say, six months or so, and his unit was doing guard duty, roving patrols, and they ran into these creatures out there. They ended up shooting at them, but they got a report that there was, somebody heard noises next to one of the fences. And it was one of the new fences that they had just put up

out on the very edge of wilderness. Because, you know, military bases, they put them in remote places for a reason. They just put this brand new line of fences up. And the one guy radioed in and said that it sounds like something's ripping the fence out of the ground. And we're talking like a six foot, you know, chain link fence with

barbed wire on the top. And he says, like, it sounds like it's ripping it out of the ground. And my dad's like, what? And so they went and investigated it and the poles that, you know, they cement in the ground.

There was like four or five of them that were just like pulled out, like, as if somebody was pulling a route. you know, then they saw movement and they thought they told them that if they don't stop and show themselves, you know, they're on a military base, they will be shot at. I mean, this is 68, 69, maybe somewhere around there. And they ended up shooting at these things. And, you know, they didn't find any blood. They didn't find anything.

But this is what the ironic thing is. They were supposed to ship to Vietnam in six months. Well, when they came back and did their reports, they left in two weeks. So do you think the Army already knew about them? I'd say so. You can't tell me the government doesn't know about these things. Yeah, there's a lot that goes on at Fort Lewis. I mean, I even have spoken to a retired colonel.

Many years later, he was telling me about an encounter he had at Fort Lewis, but I've had so many guys come forward and say, you know, here's what I ran into. And it's pretty well known for encounters. You know, I'm curious that there's so many people in the family that have seen it. Why do you think that they were hanging around this property? Yeah, well, the thing was, it was family-owned land. I mean, we had 15 acres of pines of perfect deer hunting, turkey hunting, small game. I mean, there was one section that was nothing but almost like almost look like winter wheat fields, wild winter wheat fields that were nothing but fessence.

I mean, it was just prime hunting ground for anything. And then he had the stream with the fish in it. I mean, that's why my grandfather bought these acres, because he wanted a place to go to relax and hunt. My grandfather, he was a World War II vet. Yeah, and I know you kind of want to keep your identity safe. And I know your grandfather was a, part of a kind of a battalion in World War II that was really famous and really popular.

But as far as the land goes, it sounds like there was tons of food, there was tons of water, and a lot of cover. Sounds like a beautiful place to grow up, actually, minus these creatures. But I want to ask you, so when you, going back to your encounter, when you were looking at this creature, would you say it reminded you more of a man? Would you say it reminded you more of an animal? both okay and i'll tell you this is how i say both because after the kill they seemed happy and cheery and like a person and then they turned it turned into a a a ferocious beast it went from zero to a thousand

you know in a snap there was no breaks there was no thought there's no pause i think the only pause it gave me was the roar. And since I didn't move, I didn't try to go for my rifle. I think that's a big thing there. If I would have went for the rifle, I wouldn't be talking to you right now. Because like I said, it was just laying across my lap. In fact, I don't even think I put my hands on it. I mean, it was like I just froze.

But to answer your question, it was both. After they'd made their kills, they seemed like after after, after when you go hunting, how, you know, you come back, you get a deer or turkey, whatever you were going hunting for, and you come back with what you want for, and you're happy. And, you know, you're ecstatic. Okay. Hey, I'm going to, you know, and you're talking. I remember when I got my first year or the next year, when we were dragging it back to the back in the same woods, I was in the same tree stand.

Because my dad told me, he goes, he goes, if you want to go hunting. again, he goes, you got to get back up in that same tree stand and face your fears, well, you'll never go hunting again. So that's what I did. And I never saw it. I never saw it again hunting. Uh, well, not hunting up in Pennsylvania, not hunting in that area, but hunting in other areas in Pennsylvania.

Yeah, I ran into it. Uh, but that's different stories. Uh, okay, hang on. I need to calm down a minute. Uh, no, that's all right. I was curious if you had ever gone back out there and knowing that you have. And I kind of get that just from the amount of time you and I've talked off the air. I understand your family, understand the military background.

And your father and your grandfather, while being great men, were very hard-nosed. And, you know, I could see why they would kind of push you to get back out there. You know, the part that I have a hard time with, and maybe you can answer this bill, maybe you can't, you're a father, I'm a father. If I had a piece of property like this and I knew these things were out there, there's no way in hell I'd put my kid in a tree stand, but he did. Why do you think he did that? I asked my dad, actually, that question, you know, after, I did Desert Storm,

and then I was post-9-11 as well. So after I did my tour over and first tour in Iraq, I came back. I'll tell you right now I was a changed man when I came back from there but the first thing that my you know I said to my dad I said I he's like welcome home glad you're home you know very somber very very military you know my dad got out when he got out of the army he was an E9 so you know he was very military he was he he he was a boot camp drill instructor after his three tours and Dom so you know how I was brought up But I asked him, and I came back, I was like 19, and I looked at him, and I said, why the hell did you do that to me? He's like, what? I said, the first time I ran into those, I said, you know, those effing bastards. And that's all I had to say. And he goes, he goes, well, you had to learn some way.

Yeah, I hear you. It sounds like, it reminds me, it sounds like something a Vietnam vet would say or a hard-known, veteran would say very, you know, they're cut from a whole different cloth, very, very tough guys. So I kind of get it. You'd mentioned earlier about another encounter you had many years later in Pennsylvania. Tell me about that if you would. It was after we, we bought our first house. It was up in, I'll just say, coal country in Pennsylvania. The house we bought, it had It was about an acre. It backed up to the woods.

And then as the woods got thicker and thicker and then went up to mountains. They had just started logging at the top of the mountain, too. So when we moved in there, my oldest boy, I believe he was eight at the time. And my second boy was three. And my wife was pregnant with the girls. the twins, they would hear tapping on the windows at night.

The first time I heard that tapping on the windows, I had a chill go down my spine because it took me back to the cabin. And boom, right there. I knew what was, I knew what it was. I knew exactly what it was. My wife, she's like, she's like, who could be knocking on our windows at this time?

I said, I'm not going outside. She goes, why not? I said, I'm not going outside. She goes, well, don't you take the, dog out and go out with you. And she was, don't you have guns? I said, yeah. She goes, well, then I said, I'm not going outside. Not going out there.

I lost that battle. So I took a Remington Revolver, 50 cow. I took that out with me and the dog. The dog we had, she was a cross between a Rottweiler and an African lion hunting dog.

she was huge. When I opened the door to walk out, she stood there and looked at me like I was crazy. The dog did not want to go out with me, but I put her harness on, I drug her out. And then once she was out, she walked with her tail between her leg the whole time.

I did not have my pistol holstered. I had it in my hand the whole time. You know, I wasn't going to waste a time to, you know, unholster it. Now, I don't know if even a 50-calt pistol would have, you know, maybe one to the head, but you have to pretty damn close. And when you're that close, they're so fast, you're going to miss anyway.

So I walked out and I walked all the way around the house and didn't see a thing. So I said, I'm like, I came back in. I said, there's nobody out there, you know, don't worry about it. And then I sat back down and then the tapping started again. And I didn't go back out then. And the next couple nights, my boys would be out playing on the swing set we had. My wife would call them in by name. You know, a couple weeks went by.

And we had a big window seat kind of window there. my boys would play not on the window seat but underneath there because there was the dining room table and they would be playing underneath the dining room table with all their action figures and stuff you know and they started hearing tapping on that window and their name is being called it sounded like my wife's voice it was a mimic of my wife's voice calling my two sons That's when I had enough. And the next day, I put bear traps around the house. And I called my dad and told him, now, his mom, my grandmother,

she was a lot of Cherokee Indian. I told him what was going on on the phone. And he said, I'll be up. Now, it was about a two hour drive from where he lived to where I live. after I got off the phone, he was there in about three or four hours. And because he had to stop at the store, he came up and he goes,

this is what we're going to do. And he goes, this is, he goes, I talked to my mom and she talked to determine the tribal members. This is what we're going to do. He goes,

forget the bear traps. He goes, that's just going to piss them off. So we pulled them all up. We took cheese bags, you know, like a cheese. cloth, he went and bought, he went to Lowe's or Home Depot and bought sulfur. You know,

you can buy just plain sulfur and we poured it in, we had, we cut this cheese cloths like a 12 by 12 square. We poured sulfur in, in the middle there, probably about half a cup or so. And then we took these and we tied them up with zip ties and we put a, uh, and then we zip tied them to, the downspouting, the trees, the swing set, to the picnic gazebo we had, to the swing, to the bench swing we had out. And we went and we did the whole line of the woods. We had a detached garage and we did the whole thing around there. Never had another one step foot on that property.

And if it rained, I had to go out and do that all over again because the sulfur got washed away. but that software kept those things away. Yeah, I've actually spoken to Native Americans who told me to do that. And, you know, I remember one time I had a lady on the show and I kind of told her, well, try this, you know, see if it works. And apparently it works. Why, I don't know. But, and it's kind of like what you were saying, Bill, I mean, the moment it rains,

you got to go out there and do it again. What's your take on the whole sulfur thing? Why do you think that actually works? you know these things have been around as long as the Indians have been around you know thousands of years i'm going to say they know how to deal with them they they would have tried everything a lot of people don't want to believe what the Native Americans want to say about these things that these things are real that these things can do this they're so fast you know you got to listen to them because they're not just blowing smoke and the stories get passed down for reason i went to powwows and

where they actually talked about these things, and it's only in that community that you learn this. Nobody else wants to hear it. You know, sulfur smells like rotten eggs. Okay. It's not a very good smell at all. But then again, these things will eat rotten eggs out of the trash, so I don't know. You know, I would have to say that it has to do with kind of like a, like Deke does to, to mosquitoes. It just repels them. You know, that's all I can think of is like it's, for some reason,

it affects their, you know, I don't want to say, you know, I don't want to guess or anything, but maybe their nervous system, maybe it just gives them a bad headache. Maybe it, you know, makes them dizzy. I don't know what to say, but, you know, once they smell this, they don't come back. Yeah, it's strange that it works. I mean, I've had people tell me that it absolutely works. Why, I don't know. You know, on this property, before we started recording, Bill, you were telling me about an incident, kind of one of the main sightings that you had. Do you mind sharing that? I used to work second shift, okay, and where I had a drive to, you know, I had an hour drive, I would get home around 1, 2 o'clock in the morning. And this was, let me take you back.

This is before we put the sulfur out. the one night I was pulling into the driveway and I saw this thing and knew exactly what it was, wasn't standing, it was on its fingers and toes crawling like a damn bug. When I pulled in the driveway, it was in my front yard, like kind of just like, like a praying mantis would move nice and slow before it makes its kill. you know, it was literally on fingers and toes. His knees weren't touching. Nothing else was touching.

How strong do you have to be to do that? I didn't pull into the driveway. I mean, I kind of stopped and left my headlights on it. And it just like kind of froze there. And I didn't know what the hell to do because where I work, you weren't allowed to have weapons in your car because, you know, it was a government job. and they could search your car and then you could get fired for having weapons in your car.

So I didn't have any weapons in my car except for like a crowbar. And what's that going to do? So I just left there with the headlights. And then I finally pulled in. Our driveway was about 100 yards long. And when I when I pulled in all the way, the motion lights kicked on. So as soon as the motion lights kicked on, I said, okay, you know, I'm pretty good. So I got out and, you know, the lights are bright.

And I just, you know, grabbed my stuff and just walked at a fairly quick pace into the back door because that's, you know, the house. Because that's where the driveway, you know, when you drove up there, I used the back anyway. You know what I mean? and I walked in and closed the door. Everybody was asleep, so I just said, and the dog was hiding underneath the table. That same dog, I told you, that's huge. She was hiding underneath the table, and she wouldn't come to me.

So I went and just sat down and just listened, and I didn't hear anything, nothing. I just went to bed, but it was crawling on its fingers and toes. it looks like it shouldn't move that way. I mean, you know, there's no reason, there's no rhyme in this world that it should move that way. None. It's insane, actually. And it wasn't moving fast.

It was just going slow, like it was stalking. You know, what it was stalking, what I, you know, or maybe it was just kind of crawling across the front yard, trying to be quiet. because if these things don't want you to hear them, you won't. They can be walking on sticks and, you know, broken leaves and, you know, like, dried leaves, and you won't hear it. If they don't want you to hear it, you won't hear it. I'm convinced of that. Yeah, it is weird how quiet they are. And I really appreciate sharing that, Bill.

the whole bizarre, you know, the insect walk or spider crawl or whatever you want to call it, it's scary to see and it's weird when you see it. There's no reason why they should move that way. And, you know, not hearing them when they leave, that is something, you know, like even in your first encounter, all that snow you should have been able to hear, you know, crunch, crunch, crunch as they're taking off. It's strange. Can I ask you, Bill, and there's no wrong answer, what do you think Sasquist? watch is.

They are definitely an animal. I don't think they're spiritual. I don't think they're paranormal. I don't think that they have mystical powers or anything like that. It's definitely an animal. However, looking at how they walk and how they move,

I don't think they're related to like gorillas and monkeys. Because guerrillas walk kind of hunched over on fours, these things walk upright. And orangutan kind of does that shuffle walk, you know, upright. These things don't walk like that.

They walk like a man. I think that they are closer to us than any other primate. I think that they are a direct descendant or we're a direct descendant or I think we are totally linked to them. you know, as far as the gene pool goes, I don't think that they're closer to gorillas or apes or orangutans or monkeys or chimpanzees. I think they're closer to us. That's just me, you know. We're homo sapiens. I think it's homo something.

It was like we had a homo erectus and then we had homo sapiens. I think we had a homo erectus and then there was something there that, you know, we never discovered yet. or the government's saying that we never discovered yet. Yeah, and you could be right, Bill. You could definitely be right. It would make the most sense that that's what these things are. And hopefully one day we'll find out. And I agree with you.

I think the government absolutely knows that these things are real. And when you and I first spoke, Bill, I know we were going to talk about what's going on on this property in Florida. And as we were talking, he said, well, I already knew what it was because of what happened to me when I was a kid. There were amazing accounts, and I know from you and I talking off the air that you are going to come back for our park too, so we can talk about Florida, which is very different

than what happened to you in Pennsylvania. And I'm really looking forward to that. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on the show, Bill. I enjoyed chatting with you. Appreciate it. It was fun. Thanks again, Bill. And that's it for tonight.

Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at sasswatch Chronicles.com. Until next time, everyone.