Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:10 A hunter's encounter with Bigfoot

Episode Date: January 11, 2014

In EP:10 we bring you a hunters encounter with Sasquatch. A listener contacted the show and wanted to share his encounter with Sasquatch. The listener wrote us saying "I had an encounter years ago (1987) in Eastern Washington. It was a three day ordeal with a couple of witnesses. I didn't see them by choice, but was able to hear them "talk" to one another.Several years ago I spoke to an individual named John Berry who is now deceased, and gave him the details. He was the only person in the bigfoot community that I have spoke to about this. He was very interested in my encounter but I shied away from going further with the ordeal. I'm not looking for public attention and It seems that many of the bigfoot community lack integrity and shame and I just dont want anything to do with that circus environment. You mentioned an area in your interview with a couple of brothers, the Souixon area in Washington, this is an area that I have been hunting and camping in since the 70's. This is an area that I am very familiar with and that I often bowhunt alone for more than a week at a time. I am interested in knowing more about the activity in the area. I have never found a track but have seen a suspicious figure in the dense fog on the Squaw Butte Trail above Skookum Meadows. I cant be certain as to what I saw there and have filed as merely a unique log and branch combination. I sometimes feel the need to share my experience with a credible individual(s) and maybe get some insight to what I encountered."

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extracted me from my vehicle, and there wouldn't have been a damn thing I could have done about it. Look, this thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving me. What are you reporting? What are now, sir? That's the start of a bitch is about six foot.

Yes, I'm looking right there. Welcome to Bigfoot Hot Spot Hot Spot Radio, Sasquatch Chronicles. I'm your host, Wes, along with my brother Woody, and researcher, author, and friend, William Jeffey. Let's start the show. Do Sasquatch bury their dead? I know this is a question a lot of people ask. A lot of people, the main question when talking about Bigfoot

and a lot of skeptics out there, the main question people ask is, why don't we find any bones? And so this week, I thought what we do is discuss Sasquatch and possible burial sites for the show. I know before we get to that, we had Robert call in from Washington State with an encounter he wanted to share on the show. So what I thought we'd do is bring Robert on first, have him share his encounter with us, and then we'll get into our topic for this evening. What do you guys think?

Sounds good. One thing I want to do is mention, I want to thank Joe Zirat out there for the new cover art. a lot of people, if they notice on iTunes and on our Facebook, they'll see the new cover art. So I really want to thank Joe for sending that out to us. I know Will, you're wondering if maybe he could do a little artwork for you for your upcoming book. Yeah, I've actually got three projects I'm working on it. And, you know, speaking of people.

Yeah, Bruce is the man. I know he's sent us a lot of love on Facebook. I also want to thank Melanie West. we did a story last week I'll take the blame for it about giganticithicus in Canada and it was a spoof website Melanie West sent us the update on it

letting us know it was a spoof website so sorry everyone about the news story well let's go ahead and bring Robert on and hear his story and then let's get into our topic okay hi Robert very nice to make your acquaintance you know new

and out of respect for your anonymity, we'll only mention your first name, and if you wish any of the names of locations or anything else, you know, we won't mention that. We'll just say, you know, if you want to just... I don't mind, I don't mind disclosing where it was. Thinking about it at that time. Well, at the time, I wasn't sure, but it was actually true or not. I guess I tended to, and I know my dad, 174, and we were at Fort Lewis, that time. On the front of the paper was a picture, first introduction to it. I didn't know if

Dad was pulling my leg trying to scare me or whatever. You know, I had no idea at the time where I guess I read a couple of books on it, still not totally convinced, but it was interesting. Leading up to this year, I was hunting, and there was a group of us bowhunting deer over in eastern Washington on the other side of shoahunt deer there. And so this was back, this dates way back to 1987, I believe it was, and we intended to spend nine days up there. My friends were going to

talk and tell us to get one of the guys that Saturday night, she kept hearing things around about it the next day. We just all assumed she heard deer or something around camp. It was, it was, we just unfamiliar with what she was. No, no, it was just, it was just

noise, something walking like said, we just all assumed it was deer or something. Next day, everybody left. that afternoon was, I don't know if I'd a couple hundred yards up towards the end of this road. And that's pretty much where the road dead ends and turns into, it's over to the William O'Douglas wilderness area. They had packed up and left, too. I was completely alone up there. To camp, after dark, I make my dinner relax, settle in for the night.

I'm in my, I get in my sleeping bag, and I think it was reading a map or something. and by the time I turned my lantern off, it didn't take long. Let me kind of give you a description of, I was camped in a hairpin turn, just before the last hairpin turn on the 1500 road, just a few hundred yards up from there at dead ends. And like I said, it orders the wilderness area. I was camped right in the hairpin.

And as I turned my lantern off, I laid down, and all of a sudden I heard something, walk across the road, and it was on two feet, and it was loud. And it came from the opposite side into my side of the road. It startled me, and I sat straight up in my sleeping bag wondering what the hell I just heard. I'm listening. I can't hear anything. And then I can start hearing branches and stuff.

It seemed like they were getting closer and closer to my tent. I couldn't hear footsteps. I still don't know what I'm listening to. All as I know is something came across the road. It was on two legs, and as it got on my side, it was quiet. But like I said, I'm starting to hear it approach. Then you couldn't be. No guns with me at the time by all this.

And suddenly, it must have been right. I spun around and slammed into the side of my tent. And I grabbed a machete that was the only thing that I had there next to me, the machete and holding on to this. It had to been so close. I didn't smell. I thought it could hear in my heartbeat. then as it hit the ground.

And it wasn't a pop from expansion. I know if you ever dealt with them as the sun goes up and down, the temperature changed. They'll pop sometimes. This wasn't a pop. It hit the ground. And then it walked over towards my car, which is about 10 yards away from the tent.

And once again, I did hear it go through the brush or there was another tree over by the cup, maybe 10 foot high, and it still had, it sounded light. It was moving up against it, almost like, I don't know, but I could hear the branches move. And all this lasted. It must have, its curiosity was, I think, I thought was ton with me. I don't understand what could have snucked. I never heard any sound once it was in camp.

I never smelt anything. I didn't hear it breathe. But now I'm listening to this thing about 100 yards below me in a gully. and it starts tearing a log apart. Convincing myself that's a period, you're getting all worked up over. And a little upset thinking about this stuff, the noise stops. It stops tearing the tree up, and suddenly it's coming up on two feet, and that is no doubt.

And I thought, you know, this, I don't know what the hell is going on, but I've had to switch. Turn the lantern on. I slid my boots on. I didn't even lace out of a tent. My mind, I thought, remember not wanting to see whatever it was, and I slammed my mirror. between me and the steering wheel

I basically did a 12-mile race down the mountain on this logging road back down to Highway 410. The way this gully and this canyon work and the road runs parallel thing was going to intersect me. Or between before I got down far enough, before I got down

to McGannes Lake, I kept thinking this thing's going to run down. It can come down the side of this mountain and intersect me and it's landed in between me and the steering wheel and I'm racing down the mountain like the Dukes of Hazard. I didn't even shut this lantern off until I got down the highway 4Kenn, and I shut the lantern off, and thought about this. I talked to my girlfriend at the time.

And, of course, she was skeptical. I wasn't sure what I was talking about and didn't really want to believe what I was saying. But I grabbed a little sleep. The next morning I got up early. I grabbed a 12-gauge. Before you go into going back, Woody, doesn't it remind you of our encounter when you hear footsteps and a million things go through your mind and you think, okay, is this a bear?

Okay, it's not a bear. Is this a deer? Okay, it's not a deer. Is this a person? Okay, that doesn't make sense either. Doesn't it kind of remind you a little bit of our encounter of hearing the footsteps and realizing, I mean, a million things go through your mind and you think, Jesus, what is this thing?

Right. Yeah, yeah, no, no, it does. It totally reminds me of so many emotions going through your head. and you don't know quite what's out there, but how should you react? And I think that's the biggest thing is you don't know exactly what to do because you don't know exactly what you're hearing. So, yeah, no, I'm – yeah, you're doing great, Robert. This is a great interview.

I'm really involved in it. 27 years later, and I'm sitting here, I'm still nervous about it, you know. I really – and, like I said, I was – Maybe I didn't know what it was going to do, and I didn't know what it was. and I thought for sure hunters don't do this you don't play games with other hunters and I know I wouldn't screw

with another man's camp considered that it was that hunt those areas too I'm from Puea and people just didn't You get yourself shot Yeah you identify yourself and very clearly come into somebody's camp

You know because everybody's armed Like I'm still nervous about this It's something that never gets away No you never get over it it took me years to be able to time again, be out and absolutely nothing. There was a smudge on the, and it looked like it tossed in the daylight there, and so tracks are going to be difficult. It's Monday now, and I went ahead and went hunting.

I stayed near camp. I mean, I love to hunt. I want to make sure that I fully don't one side of you got on my side. Any vehicles that are coming, you can hear them echo for miles. I'm laying there. I start hearing this car. I'm thinking, all right. Okay, it is a prank.

You watch. These guys are going to come in here after a cart like they're doing now. They're going to shut the car down, and then the game's going to begin. Camp with us initially, Saturday and Sunday. He had left Sunday. He had talked to Angela, and she told him what happened, and he had to see for himself. In the camp, I explained everything to him, and by now I'm so exhausted. I'm tired.

I haven't slept, you know, the stress. I'm trying to get some sleep. I'm not hearing anything. yet and what time is it? And I said, and jokingly, I told him he's late. And I started gazing off. By that time, Mike shakes me again. Robert, did you hear this?

Did you hear this? Listen. I'm listening, and you can hear movement down on the other side of the hairpin again. But now you're hearing what I called, at that time, I called it gibberish. There were chattering. There were tones together. Tense voice. It wasn't that it was overly louder and intense, a very strong voice, if that makes sense.

Don't laugh at me, but I'm going to try to mimic a little bit of kind of what I was hearing. And it sounded almost like a... And with clicking going on while he was doing this, 20, 30 yards up from him. And then a third one. And so we were semi-surrounded. It was incredible. You get this went on. There was at one point Mike wanted to leave.

He couldn't handle it anymore. and he wanted me to actually shoot warning shots to do my tent. I thought absolutely not. That's not going to happen. I didn't feel threatened enough to shoot, scared enough to where I didn't dare. And I don't know what's going on. And I don't know what this is. What if it's people?

You know what I mean? I don't want to shoot somebody. And I don't know what I'm shooting at. I'm not pulling the trigger. After a while, he suggested we leave and that he would hold the flashlight. He'd get us to the car. I'm not leaving, Mike. I said, if they come across the road, you wake me up.

Wake me up if you hear anything on that road or come across us or I don't know what the hell they were doing. I really don't. I just know they're scared the hell out of me. They scared the hell out of Mike so bad up and out. I don't know what goes on, but it spooked him bad. And it spooked me bad to kind of get over it. And I don't like you said, I don't think you really do because I'm not over, like I said, 27 years.

And I still hunt. I forced myself out in the woods. I do my thing. The fear isn't as bad. I can actually think about the scene. I guess they've got variances are, I think you're lucky. I think they were just... You're talking to three guys that have witnessed Bigfoot first hand.

And we've heard, with Westinize encounter, we've heard growling, breathing. We've seen the move in front of us. So don't feel like, don't hold back anything. I'm really appreciate your understanding. counter. So don't feel like, you know, don't feel like you're, you're on the spot or anything like that. But I want to let you know we really do appreciate your counter.

But the question is, 27 years later today, how has this changed your life? Is there anything that you look differently, maybe going hunting or out in the woods type thing? You know, I'm actually, I think I'm a lot more brave than I, a few years ago, because it's maybe maybe it was that one-time thing and maybe I'm not totally convinced or I've got here when I'm hunting. Sometime back and you run through this

and you want to make sure that you're not jumping to conclusions. You're not making something up that I haven't convinced myself. It's something that it's not. Probably had the opportunity to go out and look at one. I'm brave when I'm out there. I'm in the woods at night. I can do what I have to do.

That monkey's on, no pun intended. You know what I mean? I'm a lot more aware if that means. Well, no, it really does. doesn't, you know, but, you know, when you're younger and you're the apex for that anymore, you know, I'm not the apex. When you fit that right country, you know, I felt like I was invincible. I would like to see one.

I just want to see it on my terms. And I just want to be absolutely convinced. I just want for my, for my own, I just want to see these things. But at the same time, once again, what's it going to do to my hunting if the reality of that? 100% factual. Well, these things really, really do exist. I can't deny it anymore. How am I going to feel about hunting?

You guys are... I hound up by Indian Heavens. I understand you are way into Elkamp. Off there at Indian Heavens, 10 miles away from camp, and that was up on the Ridge Road above what we call the Ridge Road 3220, I believe it is, up above Skooka Meadows. Right, right. There's a nice little herd of elk in there.

Oh, there's plenty of elk in there, and it's big, big country. No reason for him to be there. it's going to be too hard. There's no, basically a limited time, like you said, to be up there. When the conditions are I stretched out towards it, and it looked like I caught it in mid-stride, not make out any detail in the fog. And I wasn't going to go in there any closer and look at it.

The rifle on it, dialed, still couldn't make out anything. We were from a dealhead fish on the Washington. I would like to see one of these things, like I said, on my terms. I've asked West to, what I'd like is if you had information on that area, that I hunt up there. I would love to know more about what's going on. I don't want to mention a particular group's name that I'm fond of. Your website

seems to have dried up with some information and I don't always trust what I read on it. And I think that there's a lot of I think a lot of the Bigfoot stuff is turned into... Yeah, it really has. You know what I mean? And he just wanted

me to... But mostly I thought it's not like somebody speaking as loud as they could. It was it was just a powerful voice and it was a language there I do believe they were talking to they had to been talking together and one would stop talking

and another one would pick up and chatter a little bit and another one would, you know what I mean? And they weren't long drawn out sentences. One made the clicking sound though I will give you that. Only one, the one that was directly below my tent or about 30 yards directly in line from me right here that one was making the clicking sounds.

I don't recall hearing the clicking from the other two. I would suggest that. Bigfoot hunter, that's not what I intend to ever do. I ever see one. I always towed a camera with me. I've got a digital camera packed my head.

If I ever get the chance, that's all I need. And I don't care about making any money on it. I don't want to, Bigfoot exists. We can certainly help you look for certain things, different signs, things like that you've probably seen and didn't know that's what they were.

We'll see one thing that we have up there where I elk hunts is that you've got a lot of remote, hidden camps because a lot of these people are probably illegal. Closed off gates, so where they're not supposed to be necessarily with vehicles and so forth. Right, right. I've also heard rumors of them stealing coolers and food and stuff like that. So I don't know how much activity or things that I've seen up there that I just

automatically, yeah, I mean, I just happened to be going through for something interesting. It happened to be going through YouTube and I got lucky and listened to. you three. Because first of all, I don't think I could have handled that situation, especially by myself in art. The situation they were in, that's for sure. Yes, they did. Why, there was three of them the next day.

They set in 27 years later, maybe they had ill intent. I don't know. And you know, it's interesting. A lot of the native people, look at the time of year. Exactly. What the hell are these things eating? I've often asked myself that. What are these things surviving on?

They'll eat elk. I interviewed Well, I had a family friend Up By Wilkison back in 1980 When I was stationed at Fort Lewis This guy never had a phone He lived off the grid So for him to go to the phone

And said no, he didn't hear anything And asked him what it was all about And the guy says, well He says, I can't tell anybody But I'm going to tell you this story Some mushroom pigs That lake to the area And how does an animal that large

survive? What are they eating? You know what I mean? They're not using tools, they're not dressed walking bipedal primates have been around about seven and a half million years. We're just a lot very well during the ice age. So cold weather, wet weather doesn't bother them. Every time I found tracks near the snow lines, they're always going up in elevation. So the snow, no effect on them.

You kind of have to get out of that human way of thinking about it because these guys have their own ways of doing things and how they function, how they survive. One thing I did find a couple years ago is that they, you know, they see maybe thousands of square miles. And they move from one area to the next. They split up and spread out a couple miles apart. What oftentimes do is they'll lay in wait like a big cat will until, you know, near a game trail where something comes along.

They use a quick burst of energy. They're conserving energy while they're waiting. And usually, you know, deer out feeding at night most of the time, especially when it's clear. And I think my mind was always, based on some of the old literature that I read when I was younger, they make them out to be vegetarians. You know, and if I really want to know too much more, actually, you know, it's

because like I said, I get back, especially up in that area, the Tucson area and Lewis River area, that's the center of my stomping ground up there. I myself most of the time. And when I take off in the morning, they don't see me until maybe that evening, you know, and

I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. And I really haven't When you heard the chatter, I'm kind of jealous that you heard that because that's something I've never heard. But it's kind of one of those things, careful what you ask for. What was going through your mind when you heard that, and it's kind of a two-part question, what was going through your mind when you heard that? And then looking back 27 years later, what do you think their intent was?

You know, all these years I thought the intent was they were just curious. and maybe wanted food out of the cooler. That maybe I was alone when Betsy heard everything, she'd be distinct animals. I've mentioned this before about how... And, you know, one thing that kind of sticks out in my mind too well is not only Weston-Mines' encounter with Robert is he didn't freak out. He didn't start yelling, screaming, he didn't start shooting guns.

And so that kind of sets them off a little bit, too. They're kind of like, well, these aren't acting like normal guys that would come out and start a blasted and right away, so they don't know what to think. So they're a little more cautious, I would think. Exactly. I'll just put them on notice a little bit. Oh, this thing, but, you know, the second night,

when I was there alone, and it came in, the thing was literally three to four feet from my head outside my tent. I mean, when I think about it, right next to my goddamn head, and it knew I was there. It knew I was there. That experience was very similar if you go back. I didn't want to believe, you know what I mean? You re-look at this and it wasn't going to do that.

But this thing probably is, if it's not a human playing a prank, every year, I mean, you know, when you hear two-a-go, see? And when the chatter started, oh, my God, guys, instantly, the chatter didn't scare me. At first, I think it was like what, it was, I think it was more surprise as it might be. It was a what-the-hell moment. What is that? Yeah, exactly. Looking back, don't you think, doesn't it go through?

your mind a little bit, like there was some planning going on? Well, yes. And that statement is because of an innocent ordeal. I believe these things are intelligent. I really do. And I think the thing has the ability to reason. Because, you know, with humans to our surroundings, as

a lot of creatures are, and if you're something like this that's perfectly well adapted to cold weather, you know, like I said, you know, freezing temperature, snow, they seem to like that. Their strength, sheer strength alone in size, they don't need tools. You know, they can, they can rip an animal.

Kept turning around, look out of his eye to look him into his trap. Now, at that point, that's, that's, uh, that's almost, uh, it's almost time to, uh, to shoot. And I don't want to be, I don't want to be put into a position to where I have to shoot something like that. I really don't. I don't know. And even your rifle might not be big enough. I don't exactly know how much control I'd have.

I mean, how much, uh, were bullet placement under that, uh, that guy kind of duress. I don't, you know, it's, uh, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I'll tell you what, guys, this, this has been, uh, stirred up my hiking and my activities outdoors now. And, well, that's just it as I do, you know. And in the summer, I end up in my favorite areas.

And I love it up there. It's still around Lone View. And, you know, I don't have to be in touch things I'd like you to watch for in those areas. Oh, absolutely. I'll tell you what. You guys, anything you need me to do while I'm up there, I would be happy to do it. And I'd be more than happy to help you. Yeah, and I want to thank you, Robert, for coming on.

I mean, we really do appreciate it. Like I told you before, it's so hard to get hunters, especially hunters, for whatever reason. It's hard to get them to come out and share their encounter. You know, it's like I told you before, I mean, we have a lineup of emails from people who, you know, want to share the UFO, Bigfoot, you know, the UFO dropped a big foot in the area and all those type of stories. but legitimate stories like yours, it's tough to get people to come out and talk about them. And, you know, I really do appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your encounter with us.

Glad you guys actually listened and not ridiculed me. That's one of those things my dad. He absolutely refuses to believe in this. So my dad doesn't even know. You know, and he just refuses to hear it. Bring your pops up to Mountain. We'll show them a few things. I'll tell you what, guys.

I don't know if I could handle what you guys went through. Man, it's incredible. It absolutely is incredible. You guys have actually seen these things. I mean, it's something that I was too chicken shit to get out of my tent and look at. I did not want to see what I thought I was going to see. You know what I mean? I don't think you want to.

And, you know, we had never heard the word Bigfoot. And same thing, you know, my parents said, a couple of bullets, and I let him go from his dog. I mean, what would? my mind went blank. Matt real quick, because you have seen these things. You have, you've seen their face. I was always

say you what, man, thank you very much for listening to me. And like I said, this is a true story. It's not a lie. I have no reason to lie about it. Robert, thanks for sharing it with us. We certainly appreciate it. Absolutely. If I could help you guys, or if you have any

more questions, you need me to do some scouting while I'm up. While I'll keep in touch with. We'll share some information with you, you know, give you a little more. Absolutely, I'd appreciate that. Thank you, guys. And like I said, if anything I can do for you, please don't hesitate to ask. And I swear to God, I will never interfere with any of your activities or anything like that.

But if you need me to do something, just let me know. Oh, no. We're going to talk again in the future. I guarantee that. I guarantee that, yeah. Hey, guys, thanks for you, and I do appreciate it. All right, Robert. Robert, thank you for joining the show tonight, and you have a good night.

You too. Have good night, Robert. Good solid account. Yeah, a really good account. It's tough to come out and share a story. You know, it's really tough to come out and share your story with complete strangers because you never know how people are going to react. You know what I mean?

And he, in you, it's taken... I'd love to have him back. I think he's a stand-up guy. I believe the story. One of the best interviews we've had so far. I'll say. Nope, he was awesome, that's for sure. And I know we burned up a lot of time with his interview, and I wanted to give him time to, you know, as much time as he wanted to come on the air and talk about it.

I know we're running really short on time, and I know we wanted to get into the burial sites. Before I get into that, Will, did you see the preview for the million-dollar Bigfoot Bounty? No, I didn't. I got a clip of the upcoming show. I want to play for you guys real quick. and get your guys' take on it. But this is the $10 million Bigfoot bounty that's coming to Spike. So tell me you guys think of this real quick.

Hey, everybody. Hey! Hey! We're going to get to know each other quite well over the next several weeks. How many people here have seen Bigfoot? How about your sighting? I saw him right on a ridge line walking nonchalantly through this meadow. He seemed to lean forward.

I knew it was not a man. It was just way too weird. As I yelled for my brother and my cousin to go get binoculars, I got to observe him for three to five more minutes, just walking very slowly towards this huge dark tree line. What time of day was this? It was right before dusk. How about anybody else?

I've shot and killed two of them. And you tell me about it. I was with my buddy. We're out there. It was just a normal day. We saw something. So I shot it. Justin is a little crazy.

He needs to be on meds. I'm a little nervous about being outside with him on a hunt tomorrow. I've done everything I could do to try to prove that I'm telling the truth. All that I can do now is go try to get another one. You know what's funny about that audio? There's two things that I thought of during that audio. One is I'm kind of shocked by everyone in the group. Like they play the, you know, Justin Spinej's, like,

like, or Smilah, however you say his name, he's like, I shot two of them, and it's like bum, bum, bum, you know, and everyone kind of jumps in. There's like this hush over the crowd like no one's ever heard his story before. Yeah. And it's kind of off topic, but if you go back and watch that, I'll post it up on Facebook, but if you go back and watch that, the first thing that I went through my mind was, yeah, I realized Justin Smejah's, you know, he's a solid B cup. Oh, guy.

Really? Really? It's hard to believe that we're a world power after watching. At least the C. That's all I got to say. He might be a small C. He's definitely a solid B, but he might be a small C cup. That guy is so full of crap.

You know, I got his phone. It's hard to focus on a story with those bosoms. Oh, no. I guess I guess I'd just. aren't any guy boobs. It'd have to be the real thing. Oh, man. So, what?

You're so going to hell. You know that, right? You're so going to hell. So do you guys think we should cover the Sasquatch bearing their dead next time? I think we should do it next time. Yeah. Yeah. Since we've earned up a lot of time.

I'll dig up a little more information, you know, for some back. background on it too. But I thought you guys would enjoy Robert's story. I mean, I really enjoyed talking to him. It turned out really good. I thought it was awesome. I think it's one of the best interviews with that, don't you guys think? Yeah, yeah. He did a good job. And it's nice being able to get a hunter. Very true.

It's like I told you guys about the, you know, the guy that I, with more people you talk to over time, you know, you can always reach back in your bag of tricks there and pull out stories that you've heard before. You're really similar to the No, we might have to do two shows this week, boys. I know we missed out last week, and a lot of people were asking us if we would do two shows. But I know we wanted to get to do Sasquatch Berries. They're dead. But I know with Roberts' encounter, I didn't think it was going to take that long. But I wanted him to take as much time as he wanted to share his encounter.

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