Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:100 The Hunter or The Hunted

Episode Date: May 4, 2015

Tonight I speak to a professional game hunter with over 40 years of experience in tracking and hunting wildlife. David said, "I was trying out a new call to call in a predator and I saw what looked like a bear coming in on four legs about 400 yards out. It was coming right to me. At about 200 yards I realized this was not a bear, at 100 yards this thing stopped, smelled the air and stood up on two legs....I focused on it with my scope...I have a very detailed description on what I saw and I am not sure this was a Bigfoot I think it was something else.." I also will be speaking to a gentleman who grow up around a property that had many strange encounters. He says that the family would find dead animals around the property like a bobcat that had been ripped in half. He would find strange tracks. One night they found out what was making the tracks and killing the local wildlife when a creature came to his back door. The same night the mother had an encounter on her way home from work. My last guest is Tara, who had two separate encounters but the one that has stuck with her is when she was at her husband's grandparents' for the weekend. She was taking a bath when she noticed a figure watching her from the window. She thought it was her husband playing a joke but soon realized it was NOT her husband and that the window where she saw the figure was 8 feet off of the ground.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and I know what a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. What are you putting? See him. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six. Yes, I'm looking right at him. I'm going to Saskwatchewatch, a place where people share their encounters.

Let's start the show. Episode 100. 100 shows down. I think it's actually technically like 135, but who's counting? I'm excited about tonight. I'm really, really, really happy that I've actually hit episode 100. and I really want to thank all of the listeners out there who have stuck with the show and who've really enjoyed the show.

You know, it really means more to me when people say, hey, there's nothing more I look forward to on Sunday night than listening to the show. And it's kind of like going back in the old times and where everyone kind of sat around the radio listened to their favorite show. So I think it's really cool and I really do appreciate it. You know, the idea for the show has always been to create something really cool and a safe place for people to come and talk about their encounters and have it be something that everyone enjoys. So I really do thank everyone out there who supported the show, who continues to

support the show. Last week, I actually, I did two shows last week, and it was with Bobby Hamilton from the GCBRO, and he went in and talked about his encounter, about having one coming up to his window at night and kind of motioning for him to come to the window. And Bobby shared so much. He shared all of the encounters he's had over the years and his whole feelings on the topic, kind of his theories on what this is. And take a listen to that show if you haven't heard it. There's two shows that I did last week.

Take a listen to him and tell me what you think. Tonight's an exciting night. I have three witnesses for the listening audience out there. The first person I want to actually talk to is David. And David has over 40 years of tracking animals. He's a big game hunter. He actually does calls that he records. And commercial companies out there digitize his calls for people to blast while they're out there hunting.

So David knows his way around the woods. And David actually ran into, well, I'll let David tell this. story, but pay close attention to the details that he's describing on what he actually ran into. You know, David, when you and I spoke the other day, I really wasn't, I'm sorry I can provide any comforting words for you on what you ran into. I've heard of it before. I've talked to a lot of witnesses before that have ran into what you ran into, which is a little bit different than Sasquatch. But if you would, we take the audience back to the day of your encounter describe what you were doing

and then describe what you ran into. Yeah, the day, just reflect back on the day, it had been something that I'd done numerous times before many trips out there to the same location because I've hunted that place. I know like the back of my hand. I've been going there for 25 years. It was the day that I was actually hunting by myself,

and I'm kind of used to that because I do better when I'm taking pictures, and that was one of the things I've been that day. I did some photography work. Just when I turned to take a put with me, then with the handgun, you know. I usually don't even take that if I'm taking pictures. But it just so happened to be,

I was going to be in an area where I've called from big coyotes. So later in the day, I was going to have with my rifle, the last part of the day. You know, the day was a good, sunshiny day. It was hard of the winter. Out in the morning, started getting something like 20, 45-30 pictures of different coyotes that I called in that morning and afternoon. and I just kind of

on the oil well, I was kicked for a little bit, and I was waiting a couple hours for the evening hunt, so I was going to hunt with a rifle that evening because there was a good chance of maybe killing a big one. So I drove into an area that I, the stand up hunted, I couldn't tell you how many times I hunted,

and I had no, like the back of my hand. So I drove my truck up there at the pump road and got out, and as soon as I got out, I noticed these funky tracks, I thought. I ain't never seen tracks like that. You know, that what I could see, were three toes at first. And I tracked here for quite a way,

he's up the road, but it was, you know how the road is like where it drives down the center, there'll be graft in the high spot. And his thing was walking down the center of that road,

so the split was kind of off to the edge, it looked like. So when I got to where the road it ended, the tank battery, where I was going to, I saw one track that had five toes on it, but the length of the track

is like nine inches long. So, you know, I thought, man, that is weird. I just kind of looked at it for a second, kind of blew it off.

And the wind was behind me, and I don't normally call with the wind behind me like that, but I was up high on a kind of a mesa, so if anything came in under me, I'd have a chance. I sat down and... I used it.

When I started the crawling stand, I always sat down, left area, calmed down before I was the innocuous first in case you see anything standing out there. You want to blast them out. The sequence and kind of waited and looked and there was other period over for another sequence and down the edge of this canyon.

up of what we call a finger low valley in the brush, you know. It was solid black. And I thought when I first seen, the black bear doing this far east out of the, you know, I thought I never seen a bear coming, you know, in on all four. So that's why I thought it was a bear out there. And I usually, we range everything on a mill,

you know how mill dot radical works on the scope. I do, yeah. Yeah, well, so, you know, you learn to range up mill dot radical in the military and stuff. So, you know, we leave them on 10 powers so we can get an accurate figure on the, on the mill dot rating. So scope was on 10 power, and I was looking at this thing.

It was coming in. I was sure it was a bear. I mean, it was black. It was that kind of a size. I thought, I've been in the black bear. It's going to run right over me. I've never seen nothing like this. So it kept coming, and when it got to about 400 yards,

it just all of a sudden it stood up. I mean, this thing stood up. It was about eight feet tall. I may not hear of him. I've ever been concerned in the woods or any, any hundred of the United States in just about every state you can think of for coyotes, lions, and hunted at night all over the desert, bow hunted all over Oklahoma, and plate there, you know, and never had a concern ever.

And this thing, when it stood up, I mean, it kind of shook me a little bit twice at what I was looking at, you know, so I could tell us about any feet tall on the middle about reticle, so I cranked the scope up to 24 power, and that's when I really got concerned. I looked right into its face and this thing looked like a big foot but it was shoulder super wide

you know three foot wide at least maybe four it had a dog's face you could tell definitely tell the snout and the nose and the ears were like a dover and pantry they were sticking straight up

about three to four inches high you know like I said I'm hunting with my AR-15 and in Oklahoma they don't wait for you the state lofts as you can't and he's going five rounds in the magazine. So I had five rounds in the mag.

So when I seen this thing, so I dropped that five round magazine and I shoved into 20-round magazine because I always carry one in my pocket to carry my extra rounds in. And if this thing charges me, I'm going to be in trouble. So I didn't have my...

19-11. I usually have the ARFECO. If it blinked its eyes, I can see everything perfectly. I mean, that scope is crystal clear. I have the best option. money can buy. It looks left, it looks right, it takes about three or four feet, comes ahead, you know, and I think, oh, man, I flipped safety off. I got ready. I mean, I was fixing to give this thing the whole 20 rounds when it got to about 100 yards on a dime, and it hauled ass out of

the thing I'd ever think. It had jumped over a five-strand mob wire fence like it wasn't even there. It went out across the road, went out across the oil field, there's any more of them, you know, but that really freaked me. I mean, I couldn't believe the size of this thing. So over 40 years of experience, you've been out in the woods, you know what you're running into,

you know what different animals are, you know when you're seeing a bear, you know when you're seeing something that's not a bear. Was this the first time you've ever ran into something unknown when you're out there in the woods? Yeah, that's the first time I've ever, ever run into anything like that. I've had, I've been out like we can go out night calling and do an exhibition for magazines,

that's where we were calling creditors in at night, and calling that float for the truck. And sometimes we get away from the truck. I'd have to get off the truck and go out with a camera while my partner held the spotlight. I take pictures of these big bobcats and coyotes, right? I mean, just, you know, six, seven feet away sometimes. And I was never concerned one bit, you know, walking around out there in the dark. I mean, I've been out on it in the Mexico. out in the middle of the desert,

where most people would be afraid to be out there at night a lot of times, but it never did concern me. And the biggest thing about it was that I never, I wasn't a big foot follower, one of these guys that reads like magazines to worry and just, you know, just follow in every TV show and all this stuff. My dad had taken me to see the Roger Patterson, so I would have been about haters with my mom's cousin up there, you know,

and that was when I was little, they talked about it and stuff, what they did. ever see where it went until I start, you know, I'm a welder by trade. I mean, I work on power plants and aircraft plants. I do engine work for the government and stuff, and I've done every aspect of welding. But when I was working on this one plant, I run into these guys, and they had a ranch down in southeastern Oklahoma and LaFloricern. You know, you probably know that area well, I'm sure, from your background.

Yeah. And that's down around Honebby, where you, you know, what's his name, Mike? Yeah, Mike Humphrey, Siege of Haramie. Yeah, I had the encounter down there. Matter of fact, I started bull hunting down there a few years after that had happened, and those guys sat down there in that camp where we were at. We're still talking about that incident, and a lot of them didn't believe it. They said, oh, you saw a bear or this or that.

But, I didn't put, I mean, I didn't give it too much concern, you know, but I crossed my mind once in a class walking around. my bow standing in the dark down there in the Kynish Mountains, you know, what would I do if I run onto one of these hills or even if I was in my tree stand and I saw one. So I knew they were real. I mean, as much as I know about animal, calling in and doing the things that I've done with my photography and stuff, I know in tracking animals, I know that Patterson film was real. Anybody would announce to sense and see it, not a hope.

You know, and it would have been very hard to hoax the, hoax that good of the seats back of those days. You never, you ever than any thought, you know. I mean, I never, like I said, I wasn't a big foot follower. I knew the creature was probably real, but we never thought they was in Oklahoma. I mean, I never heard of them being down there until I ran on to these guys I was well and looking at this power plant and I started hunting down that part of the country with them. Now let me ask you, when you saw this creature, can you kind of describe it for the audience?

It was running on all the floor down close to the ground. When it stood up, when I got a good, good look at it, it was the, it was the, I mean, I cranked that scope up on 24 power, and I had it sitting on instead of the shooting stick, so it was rock solid. And I could see the muzzle of this thing. It looked like a dog, you know, or a wolf. It just had a big, long snout, and the eyes weren't real big. They were just, like, a couple little marbles, you know. But the main thing was the ears.

I could see those ears, and the ears were moving on the head. You know how a dog will move his ears when he's listening? Right. Well, those ears were moving the same way. He was listening, and I think he was listening for my call. because he knew the direction that called come from. And I noticed that the front feet, or the words of what I call feet, the arms were long, about the chest and wide,

but the shoulders came down, and it wasn't like dogs, it looked more like hands. You know, you could see the distinct finger on the hand. As the body came down, it wasn't like you know, like you normally see these pictures of sackwash where it's thick and heavy on the legs, and it was thinner, come down more slendered like a dog's leg to the bottom.

But it freaked me. I mean, it was just as much as a, it'd be like a coyote or a wolf standing on his hind leg and looked like he'd been with a bodybuilder. And when the, what would you guess would be the weight of the animal? Well, besides, I was looking at the telescope when I ranged it on 10-power with the middle-out reticle, as tall as it was, it would have been,

I couldn't believe how wide its shoulders was. I mean, it was definitely very thick in the top of the body when it went down to its waist. I mean, it was super heavy. So you're talking about an animal that tall and that big. For estimation, I'd say at least 600 pounds. So when it ran off, it actually ran off on two legs, correct? Right.

It turned. What it did is when it got up on two legs, It knew where the sound came from. It knew. It had to be pinpointed. It had to, because you blow that call, and they can come from a long ways off, and they can pinpoint you within a couple of feet where you're at. And this thing was looking right at me.

He, I don't know if he, I don't think he's seen me. I think he might have smelled me. He says the whim was at my back. And he was farther down that draw around the end of the canyon there. He was kind of up on the edge of that. He turned his head to the left, but he looked down the draw. He turned his head back to the, right to look over towards the road and then look back at me and then took a couple more steps

he come forward and then he stopped and then he just turned man he was out of there you know the speed of this thing i mean i shoot some fast rifles that that was my normal coyote gun because if i'm shooting big coyotes i don't like to blow the hides up on them so i shoot a two three which is the the AR-15. And as fast as that thing moved, I've shot a lot of coyote in the time that I've been doing this. And I'm telling you, I would have had to have a pretty good lead on that thing to hit him. I mean, he would have been in the edge of the scope, probably.

I'd had to leave him that far if that he was moving. You brought up Mike Humphreys from the siege of a hobby. And one of the things that, when I spoke with Mike about his encounter, when you talk with him, he was talking about a time one had jumped out of his dumpster and took off running on two legs. He had a gun on him, and he said, Wes, I don't think I could have, he goes, it was moving so fast. He goes, I don't think I could have picked it off. It was moving that fast. So, Mike said he didn't think he could get a shot. How far was it away when he was? I don't remember the distance that he said, but he said the same thing you just said.

He goes, man, you'd have to have a major lead on it. and everything happens so quick, he goes, I don't think I could have hit it. He goes, I don't, he goes, if I would have fired, I really don't think I would have hit it. Well, shooting at these coyotes running out on the desert, you know, is, I've been doing it so long. I've gotten pretty good at it.

Even with an AR, an AR don't shoot, but I've been pretty good with that. But I'm shooting my, I had to lead that thing like I do with the A, and run 40 miles an hour. So you're talking about, you'd have to trap this thing in the scope, you'd have to lead way past him,

just when you seen him coming to the scope, you'd have to shoot. And if something running on two legs doesn't give you the length of kill zone than it does if it's running on four. Has this changed your mind on going out in the woods and being out there alone? I mean, like I said, I've bow hunted. I've been a bow hunter too all my life, you know, and I mean, I've probably now for listening to your shows and some of the things I've heard other people say,

I would probably, I wouldn't go out in a wood with my bow without carrying my 1911. That'd be a last-inch effort, but I mean, I think you could kill a big foot or anything on top of you with the 45 if you have the right bullets in it. It's made me think about, you know, actually trying to do a little more investigation and see if I can find this thing

because this call that I have that I invented myself. He came to that call just like a coyote would. And, I mean, he was coming, hard and fast until he got the 400 yards. And then he just stopped. What I use is not to release it now. And I've made a lot of sound for electronic call company.

It's just now that I know that this thing works on this animal, I probably won't release it. It's almost like the creature either heard you when you snapped in the larger clip and it knew it was walking into a trap or both. Well, I don't know because when he stood, you know, when he's... stood up. I mean, I just, I mean, from being in this business, you know, as far as hunting coyotes, you know, working with that AR, I mean, I just didn't drop the magazine on the ground. I just released it down in my hand. He had his round chamber. He didn't want to follow it. If I didn't need him, but I think he smelled me, or he knew

someone right. I think he smelled a light wind from the north. And a lot of guys, you know, the general, you can, you can let that wind blow to them and still get them. You know, Sasquatch are known to be aggressive, or they can be aggressive. We have many, many reports of them being aggressive. What you ran into, though, is something, you know, I wish I could give you some great knowledge on what you actually ran into. Your description of the creature that you ran into, I've never heard anything good ever said about that creature, ever. See, the thing that throws me off about what you ran into.

I've talked to a lot of hunters and I've talked to a lot of researchers and a lot of witnesses too. And one of the things they'll tell you when they run into what your description is, it's not a primate. They'll come out and say it's definitely a canine. It was canine what I ran into. Well, that's what this thing was definitely dog in the face.

So what I don't understand is, how would it be, it has the same features as a Bigfoot on top. I mean, the wide shoulders, the forearms, and the biceps and stuff are massive. You know, they're huge and it gets down to the ham. So, I mean, it freaks me out. I mean, you know, you hear about werewolf stories and all the time. And everybody's watched these movies on TV. But, I mean, until you see something like that, you just, I never didn't believe it.

I always laughed at that stuff, you know. But then when I've seen this, I mean, all the way home, driving home, I thought, man, you know, I was just trying to figure out how many times if I've been out there walking around out there without a gun in my hand, away from the truck, and bo-hunting, walking in my tree, standing in the dark,

coming out in the dark, and you don't know if these things are watching you. You don't know if they're there. Well, and that's the thing that throws me off about your type of encounter, because everyone I've talked to, see, we've speculated, we've had people that said there

from the government that claimed there was a different type of Sasquatch. And that may be that this might be another type of Sasquatch, kind of like the baboon. You know, the baboon is probably one of the most aggressive primates out there. They generally are in a bad mood 24-7. There seem to be more vicious than a lot of other primates. But the thing that throws me off about this type of encounter,

you know, you've been out there hunting for 40 years. I've talked to other people that have been hunting that have no clue about Bigfoot. that I've been out hunting for many, many years, and they'll run into one of these things. And I had a guy when I was down in Texas, you know, first thing he said to me was, Wes, this wasn't a primate.

He goes, you guys have this whole thing wrong. This wasn't a primate. And the description he gave is identical to the description you just gave. He said it had Doverman pinch her ears on the top of its head, and it kind of would move them like it was trying to listen, like how you'd see a dog do. And he said it was definitely a dog's head. It was not a primate's head.

And so I'm kind of taught. I'm kind of thrown, you know, I don't know what to think. You know, and then even being down there in Texas, finding the tracks that I found, those weren't primate tracks. Those were something else. And the vocalizations that we heard were something else. I've heard some of these sounds.

I've heard on your channel. It's weird sounds. I know I heard them same sounds, and we couldn't pinpoint. We just thought it was a great big coyote out there, Howling and it didn't. It could have been this thing, you know what I mean? There were times we went into this same area and hunted, and we would see nothing. There was no bird.

I mean, it was like a wasteland out there. I was talking to a guy that was a biologist, and he said, well, he said, that thing could have come through there, Dave, and everything just left the area. Next time you go back, and it hasn't been through there, and everything's moved back into the area. Two or three different degrees on it. but I know localizations are main thing of this, this Bigfoot deal. If I was these people couldn't be out there going around making Bigfoot towns in the middle of the night.

They might get something they don't want. That's the thing we always warn, you know, I was always trying to warn people is be careful when you, you know, you call something in. You might regret calling, you know. And I don't know that a lot of people call it. Well, I take that back. Down in Texas, there was guys that were using,

uh, primate calls to call them in. But, you know, in your situation, calling in a predator, and you got what you were trying for. This thing came like he was a freight train.

He was, he was, Terry in the mail coming in. And until he got to that 400-yard mark, and then he stopped, you know. The big, the biggest deal,

people go out there, you know, and I'm watching these guys on TV, this call blasting deal. I mean, I can't, them guys ain't going to find nothing. They're going to get this in the way.

they go about it. They got an entourage of people with them, waving lights around, two or three cameramen. They got all these funky outsounds out of their playing. We've got a high-fi stereo system out there. They're blasting the woods with. Animals ain't going to come into that.

They're not going to get anything like that. These things make their living out there. They know when something sounds real and when they don't. No, and you said it. You definitely said it. I really do appreciate coming on the show and sharing. And be careful when you're out there with what you're, ran into you know you gotta be careful

Sasquatch but this other thing you gotta be even more on top of your game with this thing I've just heard too many bad things about it but I appreciate coming on and sharing it I hope more people come forward who've seen something like this will come forward and say hey I saw that too

because the reports of the quote unquote dog man are pretty rare but one thing I'll say about the reports is they are consistent well now I'm probably going to end up we're going to pay attention to what we're doing when we're hunting there, but we're going to be looking for this thing. And when I use that call, I'll be using it to look for him. But I did, I did believe out one

thing I was going to tell you. I was working on a job for the government up in the Pueblo, Colorado, at a weapons plant up there. And I had this kid working for me, and he lived down there around where this guy lives at Hohden River. He lived at around Tallahane up in there. This kid had a sighting back in the Haiti He told me He was in my motel room It was actually documented It's still on the internet

I looked the story up and looked at In the newspaper article That they wrote about him and his brother They seen this They had bills Down not far from their head They went down there every day And it's playing

And his little kids And he said that He raised up out of the top of that thing And there was a big foot standing About 12 feet from them With a tree spread apart Looking at them They tore that

fort down and getting down they're running for the house and they told their mom what they think where she

didn't believe them, you know. So they had to wait for their dad to get home and I guess

their dad went down there and he looked all the boys they never would John tell me

he said they never would go back down to that fort and never went back down there

but he said you know you could smell it and it's just the same consistent report that

you give on your all the other sidings you know this is this is to two young

kids you know telling their folks about it and this guy's a good Christian guy. He wouldn't, I mean, he wouldn't make anything up like that. He told it, you know, from his heart, so I know what he's seeing was true. I definitely believe him.

Well, David, thank you again. I want to be looking for this thing. If I have another encounter, I'll let you know. Yeah, please do. Please let me know if you run into it again. And be careful. I know you'll be careful when you're out there, but I feel like I've got to say it anyway. Be careful while you're out there and thank you again.

Okay, Wes, good talking to you. Thanks, David. Next on the show, I want to go ahead and bring Bill on. Bill, your encounter is very, very interesting because there's multiple witnesses and there's evidence that was left behind. If you would, go ahead and start from the beginning. Maybe start with the tracks. Talk about kind of what you were doing and what you found out there and then kind of walk us

into the encounter. Okay. First off, basically, it was we see sophomore in high school. It was in the winter of 81 to 82. We're living in a little place just west of Rondon, California,

off of 299 East, and it's over about 2,000-foot elevation. Fairly mild winter, but we did have some snow on the ground, maybe four or five inches or so. Brother and I had to walk up and down along with the other

kids on the road, a monkey, single-wood dirt road that was maybe three-quarters of mile to a mile long just to get down to the paved area where we can get on the school bus and ride it into town every day. And one day we're out playing on the road, not necessarily a school day, and we'd seen something off to the side. We'd walked over there and was my self-brother and I and a friend, and we found a bobcat literally ripped in half. it looked like somebody had almost cut it in half. It was fairly clean grip. But there was no signs of chew marked or anything on it,

which is kind of unremarkable, you know. At that time, never watched any real monster movies other than Frankenstein, Dracula, that kind of thing. So, you know, I didn't really know about Bigfoot. You can really think about it. There wasn't that much snow there was on the side of the hill. They got a little bit of sun,

so that we didn't see any tracks or anything. We weren't really looking for them. But it just seemed really weird that if an animal was big and tough enough to take down a full-sized bobcat, why wouldn't eat it? You know, we just didn't understand that part. Yeah, and that's odd to find a bobcat just cleanly ripped in half. You know, if a bear would have got a hold of it or any other predator would have got a hold of the bobcat,

bobcats aren't really an easy predator to take down, you know, unless you have a rat. rifle. But it would have been a bloody mess of another predator. You know, you would have think it would have ate it. That's strange finding it. Yeah, and having the two halves of it were laying there on the ground, separated by maybe 10 to 12 inches of space with this not much around it in, you know, in the way of, look like

blood splatter all over the place. It was kind of isolated to just the cat, you know, almost it was ripped apart and then put down on the ground. You know, we didn't really think much about it until a few days later. At that point in time, brother and I went outside to play, and it was an old A-frame house on 40 acres of land right next to a creek, and the hillside on one side of the little road that came into the property had the cut that bulldozer next to allow, you know, level traffic going through,

and then the cut was maybe four or five feet high or so, maybe a slightly taller in that. Then it went straight up the whole side at about 30, 35 degree angle. And we had a little flat level spot where the house was, and then about maybe 30 to 40 feet deep of woods on the other side of the house, they went to the creek. On the other side of the creek was maybe only 10 to 20 feet of woods depending on the bend and the road,

and then Highway 2 feet was right there. But it was thick enough to when you went down to 99, you couldn't look through into our house. So, you know, I had some good cover over there. Well, the brother and I, we walked out, we were out playing in the snow, and we were going to try and make a snowman at first, and it was too hard. It was icy. It was hard. There was no way to scoop up enough to make a snow, and there's only like four or five inches on the ground.

Anyhow, so we got to another area of the yard looking to try and find softer snow. and we found footprints. And it was weird because one foot looked normal, but just huge. And the other foot looked the same, but it had to clob the big toe on it. The tracks, we were thinking about whoever made these with dumb dumb, they could even make them match it to the other foot, you know. We thought it was a total joke. We didn't really think anything much about it.

When I went to go kind of measured up, I'm wearing cowboy boots, and I stand up the cowboy boot in the track, put my heel up against the imprint of the heel, and the end of my foot would barely come to about the space where the toe touched the actual foot itself of the print. It was a little freaky, plus I'm walking around leaving imprints that are a half inch deep. These things were like three to four inches deep in the snow.

So something very large had to have made this. They came from the drafting of the creek, crossed behind the house. they went over a little wooden post with three barbed wire strand fence that separate the house property from the road. These tracks had walked over at about a six foot space between them, stepped over the fence. We didn't see any signs of it and they touched in the fence, which was a bit weird. One footprint in the middle of the roadway, and the next footprint was on the side of the hill about a foot and a half up from the cut. and then they went straight up the side of the hill,

through the brush and everything. My brother and I had to give each other a boost to try to get up there. Only one of us could get up on the hill. We couldn't pull the other one up. It was too steep the cut was, too high. He finally got on the side of it, and he tried walking up with vibrant souls on his shoes, and he could not walk up the side of this hill.

This thing had footprints only, as far as you can see, going up the hill up into the brush, and disappeared. we really didn't want to go any much further and whatever that was. I don't blame you. I don't blame you. So with the footprints,

was one of them, you said, was kind of deformed? I can't remember, honestly, like Twitter left, which one it was because we're talking

a long time ago, but I remember one of them was a normal looking footprint and the other one, the big toe was kind of club. It was kind of bent over,

like it had an injury or broke the toe or something sometimes. And like it said, at first when my brother and I saw them, we thought somebody had made some cardboard cut out, or some plywood, I mean, cut out, and, you know, was making footprints in the snow. Gordon-in-how are they doing it six feet apart without leaving any other footprints in between, and why would one of them be crooked when the other one's straight?

You would think they'd flip the pattern over and they'd have it for the other foot. We're kind of writing it off as a joke until a couple days later. I would imagine, too, you know, at that moment, you would have seen there's six feet, between each time it's taken a step down and it steps over a fence. I mean, that's pretty hard to fake, especially the weight when you see it going down three inches into the ice. And you're walking around in your boots and you're barely even breaking the ice. And then seeing this thing, you know, seeing the footprints go, you know, up this mountain. What did, did you and your brother talk about it?

We talked about it a little bit. And we actually told our friend that lived a little further down. It was in a morgue. So that's real real. you'll maybe 400 yards down the road from us. We talked to him about it a little bit, and he basically laughed at us, and we were trying to explain to him what had gone on,

and by then, you know, the sun had melted and came back out, and it kind of deformed the footprint, so it didn't look as sharp as it did the day my brother and I saw it. We've gone out there with, I had a different pair of boots on, so all three of us are wearing kind of an army-style boot with a, you know, a good soul on it, and we're out on the flat dirt road, And we said, okay, we marked off six feet.

And we're trying to make six foot prints. Well, to do it, we had to be running at a good clip to try and even get close to six feet. And when we're trying it, we're not actually getting close enough to six feet. But when our footprints would hit, the heel would slide a little bit, the toe would push off a little bit. It would be fairly clear-looking print like we were looking at. You know, we're cheering up the hole as we were making our footprint

and gone down the muddy road. So just that in itself was enough to get my friend to scratch his head a little bit, but still all three of us weren't really much of a believer at that point. And then what happened next? A couple of days later, considering this house had no phone in it, we only lived there for the one winter, about three quarters of a year total. My mom had graduated with, so she's gone back to college to get a GED, and she was taking anthropology classes with a couple other ones.

But she was in town at school. It was one of those days that we had off for a snow day, but the college did my brother and my stepdad were all sitting in the living room. The way the house was very rectangular in footprint, and the living room came in off the south end of the house. The living room was on the east, yes, east wall. My mom's bedroom was on the west wall, kitchen, and dining room were on the north wall, and then the kids' bedrooms were upstairs.

Well, my cat was in my mom's bedroom, meowing his head off. It had just been, you know, it's winter, so it's dark at 5.30. It's probably 6.6.30. And the cat's meowing like crazy. My stepdad says, why don't you go let the cat out? Well, to this point, we saw some goofy footprints, and we thought somebody was playing with us. We didn't really pay much attention to it. My sister walks into my mom's bedroom.

She bends over and picks the cat up in her left hand. She takes the right hand and she flips the curtains over and which were kind of lace. So it was kind of a see-through curtain almost. She flips it over and she flips the light on. And she says for a second she was stunned because she's looking, going, why is there no light out there? Then she kind of looked up. And as she looked up, she noticed a pair of eyes.

They was standing on the deck less than a foot and a half away from the glass door, staring down through the lace curtains at the cat. And she didn't notice it was even, she stared right at it at first and thought it was just darkness. She looked up and saw the light of the eyes. She said they had kind of a slight glow to it like here in a headlight kind of eye shine, you know. She screamed at the top of her lungs, dropped the cat, and basically just froze. We came running into the bedroom to see what was going on, and it was already gone.

It had leapt off the porch and took off into the bushes. It was clean gone by the time we got in the other room. The other three members of us were in the living room. We were talking 20 feet distance away and had to run around a corner, and it was completely gone. So it moved really quickly. out of the snow at that time of day. My brother and I, there's no way we could have covered that distance.

And the time it took us to get to the better. What did your sister say that she saw? She said that the eyes were about the height of maybe an inch above or below, but right at about the height of the top of the door frame, it was standard sliding glass door. That's where the eyes were. She couldn't see the top of its head because the angle she was standing at and the thing was so close to the Glepa, that far up.

She says they had a shine on it. They had kind of a reddish-colored shine. And she says the hair on it was really dirty like somebody had not washed their hair in a couple of months. You know, really matted and dirty and also looked like it had patches of hair missing on it, like it had names or something. she said it had a really white

wide face and the nose was not like a normal human nose but it wasn't real flat like an ape's nose and she didn't get much detail about that other than that I should say that I can remember right offhand

just huge dark colored you know I don't know if it was the time of day but she said the fur was really blackish colored at the time so you guys all go running in there and I can just imagine the scene. You guys all go running in there. She gets done screaming.

She looks to you guys. You know, in her words, what did she say she saw? She was really just, at that moment, I mean, I had to get the description out of her at a later time. At that moment, she was kind of almost, like, stunned, almost in shock, kind of babbling more than anything, and it was really hard to make out anything because we tried to talk to her,

and she just sat there and kept staring at the window and just eyes three times the size of normal and mouth open just in an amazement and shock is all I can say with the immediate look on her face. She was extremely terrified and did not want to go anywhere near the sliding glass door, much less go outside. One of the parts that made it even weirder

was I happened about two and a half hours later. As we had no telephone, and there was no way to contact my mom. She was coming home from school down that dirt road, where close to where we saw the bobcalf before. And in the mud and everything, you're trying to ditch the deeper potholes and mud holes in there. So she's swinging the car around a pothole,

which was kind of directly lined up with the road. The headlights were pointing slightly off to the left. And she saw what she described as the Godzilla standing next to the road. my mom freaked out. She said she stared at it for a few seconds. She said immediately it freaked her out. She stepped on the gas pedal, full speed down this road, which is you don't want to drive down over 10 miles an hour

and a four-wheel drive. She's doing it a Ford station wagon going as fast as she can down this road. Honking, light flashing, comes sliding into the house and almost hits the corner of the house of the car, jumps out with door open, engine running, and flies to the front door, screaming her brain off. I saw Godzilla, I saw Godzilla. And it took us a little bit to calm her down to try and figure out what it was.

And she described exactly what my sister had seen, except that my mom says that the height she was sitting in the car, it appeared to be a male. But that was the only real information we could have got out of my mother at that time. So she said it was definitely a male is what she was looking at. Yeah, she said that she saw enough to believe that it was a male Sasquatch. She didn't know at the time, you know, Bigfoot Sasquatch. Everybody kind of heard of it, but nobody knew anything about it. We'd never seen any movies, TV, any of that. We'd never watched Doggy Creek or any of that stuff before that.

She'd gone in the next day to her school. She talked to an anthropology professor after class, and he gave her the name of a guy named Ivan Marks, and Ivan Barx eventually came out to the house a short time later, gave her some basic information and says, you know, try this and try that and see, you know, thinking that it was going to be all Mr. Lovable Character, why don't you go put out some food out on the back porch,

which she put a five-pound can of green beans on the back porch, couple lid off of it and left the thing right at the edge of the porch. Later that night, we didn't hear anything. The noise was really, real quiet. There was no crickets, turpid. There was nothing really going on at night, but we didn't really think much about it. We come out in the morning,

and the green bean can is sitting right where it was. We have no indication that it had been moved on the edge of the porch. And the green beans were all missing out of the can. Like something was reaching it with his hand. Well, I know a bear or something thick of its head, there, but bears are clumsy, and it's usually knocked the damn camp down. The green beans were all missing. We didn't think much about it until we looked off the edge of the porch, and there was

some more feed print standing right at the bottom of porch. A porch had no rail on it. It was about three, three and a half feet off the ground. So something, you know, a normal human size could have walked up and did it, but again, it was those giant feed prints. Shee went and called Ivan on the phone. Ivan came out and actually casted the print. How long did you guys live in this property?

two-thirds the three-quarters a year, you know, maybe eight to ten months, you know, seven, eight, ten months, somewhere around that neighborhood. We've gotten up there, 40 acres of land, the price was right, you know, school bus was only a mile away. So it seemed like something we could all do.

But that ended up by my mom and dad decided there's no way we're spending another window there, and they totally gave up on the property and moved back to the town. Did you ever talk to any of the neighbors to find out if they've ever seen anything? myself or my brother our friends that we went to school with

lived a couple of houses down on the same road there's only about five or six of us houses on the road at that time and there were a few houses down like I said in the wide open area we were all about the same ages and we talked to them but we didn't really talk to any parents in any of the other

households I don't know if my mom or stepdad ever did my one friend when we're trying to do the test, you know, he's kind of laughing at us, and then we're doing the test to check the six-foot spacing with our boots trying to duplicate it ourselves and couldn't do it. That kind of gave him a little indication that maybe, you know, we weren't messing with them,

but that we were still a little crazy. And most of the people I've ever told the story to, you know, a couple of them are interested and everybody else seemed to think I was fruity at the time. Like I'd lost my marbles. So I didn't want to kill a whole bunch of people and ended up in a looney den or something, you know? Yeah, no, I hear you. How does your sister feel about the subject today?

Has she been affected by what she saw? There's none of us are living out in the country. You know, I've just going to go off the country. I can't do much hiking with a bad back in Denver, but when I can. I love to go fishing. You know, I always love the outdoors. But I'm to the point myself where it, it's, it's. freak me out enough. I just don't want to say

that, you know, maybe a camping area with dozens and dozens the campers around us might not be that bad, but I don't want to be remote by myself or with just being one or two friends. I'm not secure enough knowing that thing's out there to do that. Did you guys have any more incidences

around the property before you moved out? Well, we knew to keep an eye out for certain things, and we would come out the front door occasionally. and we would smell the air, and it would smell like a combination of sewer, dirty, wet dog, and something, you know, like a lot of bad trash or something.

You know, it's just a really rotten, rotten smell, but we'd only got it two or three times. My mom claimed at night that she heard a howl one night, and she did that hole. That sounds what I've heard on your show, over the last couple of months. Like a deep-throated coyote, you know, meat's huge ape-man kind of hell.

Right, right. Nothing that was ever in the neighborhoods before we actually saw the thing. We had been on that property already for a few months. And my brother and I hiked all over that hill. We had no problem. We were out there by ourselves. The huge 40 acres,

we covered all of it plus out into the neighbor's property. After this thing, we didn't go out again. We've lived in many houses where we've had bears digging our trash and, you know, coyotes and wolves and all kinds of stuff in the wild. I've seen dozens and dozens of wildlife shows, you know, I know what certain things sound like, and this was nothing, like we've heard exactly before, you know.

And what part of the country was this in? It's probably 20 to 30 miles. They don't know the exact distance east of Reading, California, which is Redding is about 150 miles north of Sacramento, right in the center of the state, and high five runs right through it. Far enough fact that we're only up about 2,000 foot elevation roughly, but if you look at it on an aerial map,

we're off close to one of the big arms of Shasta Lake, like a mountain, small mountain range, you know, hill range separated us from that, which would have been a fairly quiet area on the lake. So I don't think there's any marinas or anything out on that end of the lake. there. There's also, we're out towards the Cascades. You know, we're in the foot hills kind of towards the Cascade Mountain Range out there. It's a good thing that didn't go violent, but it's, you know, something like this is terrifying enough. I can't imagine being your mom and then your sister and,

you know, you finding Prince. I'm just glad nothing bad had happened to you guys when, you know, in this situation. And I don't know how your mom and your sister felt about the subject before all of this, or even how you felt about it before all of this. But when this stuff happens, you know, I always say it's all fun in games until something like this comes forth into someone's reality, and then you realize, oh, crap, these things are actually real. Yes, I can imagine, you know, the most monster people.

It doesn't exist, there doesn't exist, and something came up with it did your throat out of the water. You change your mind real quick, and it was, you know, like I said, no monster movies other than God, Dracula and Frankenstein, and then all of a sudden there's something seven, eight-foot-tall walking around our house that shouldn't be there. And it definitely wasn't a bear. It was real, real eye-opener.

And, you know, it kind of sucks to make me not want to go out into the woods anymore. I like being out in the nature. But this is just enough nowadays where I don't trust it. I've seen a few episodes of this and that on TV. Some of those things are so ridiculous. And then I start listening to people that have, you know, not a producer's point of view, but the actual persons who have seen it point of view.

And those people all seem like we hear on your show, you know, they all give a perspective that those producers don't get. And it's like, I'm not going out there to, I'm going up there for myself to enjoy nature. I'm not going out there to bang on trees and make something extremely bad in their territory. You know, all animals get territorial. There's no way I want to make something that's big enough to flip a truck over mad at me. Yeah, and that's the thing.

It's funny. I just had Bobby Hamilton on, and he's one of the co-founders of the GCBRO. And he needs to talk about his encounters, and he was talking about kind of he had to learn on the fly like we all do when you go out there and you're looking for these things and he was saying you know you're getting a bad situation

you know it's realistically it's put everything you know let's be real with everyone for a moment you're really out searching for a large grizzly bear that's smart just like a primate that may or may not kill you if it get you know if you get too close

or if it's pissed off that day so people got to be aware of what they're actually going out there and what they're looking for. And you're right. You go out there, you start banging on trees, you do something that pisses them off. You may regret the day you actually run into one. It's so, so true. And I kind of go to a foreign country. And here we're talking at the dinner table, but you go to a further country. Some of them is a sign of, thank you, good cooking. I enjoyed it. If you burp at the dinner table, it's a little custom. Well, how do we know if we go out there, betting on the tree isn't a direct threat to their family.

You know, we don't know. So there's nothing I want to go out there. And even though I might have good intentions on doing something, doing something that might be construed by them as violent towards them or something that's going to cause them to go into protection mode, especially, you know, and attack, you know. How do I know the baby isn't just out of sight and mom and dad aren't too happy, you know? I had a guy on one time that told me that he had ran into one, and I've told the story before on the show,

but basically what happened is he ran into one. It seemed docile to him, and he smiled. And this thing bluff charged him. And he couldn't figure out why that it had bluff charged him. And I was trying to, and I explained to him in the primate world, when you show your teeth, to us a smile means something daring. different than when you do it to a gorilla or to a chimp. You smile at a gorilla or a chimp, and it pisses them off because it's an aggressive move on

your part in their eyes. So you're right. You never know what you're going to do that might just set something off. But it changed his mind on when he had this encounter. Maybe the people we've had on the show, maybe stop and listen to what they have to say, because, you know, these things, they may walk away from you, but they may not. not? And if they don't, you're in trouble. Exactly.

And another example showing the teeth for some of it might not be familiar at primates. How many people have ever watched a show or a movie or a documentary or anything or the wolf is mad and his lips, his teeth are all exposed? That's not a sign of come on over a sniff

your hand. So that's a wolf. It goes through many more things the animal kingdom that's just a primate. I'm pretty sure if Jane Goodall doesn't walk out there and show her teeth her friendly guerrillas, you know, much less somebody's going to walk out there and find one that's eight foot tall and, you know, uh-uh, sorry, it's not me.

Yeah, and I don't want to keep it too long, but, you know, even Jane Goodall, to be honest with you, and this is something no one ever talks about. I always hear in the Bigfoot world, let's do the Jane Goodall approach. Let's do the Jane Goodall approach. well if you go and you actually watch a lot of Jane Goodall's documentaries that she's done if you read any of her work there was a lot of moments to where that she wasn't running into the happy friendly forest monkeys of the forest

there was times to where one almost killed her and she didn't know she would be first to say that it wasn't something it was unprovoked it was this one primate that basically had it out for and every time she came around I guess he beat her a couple times and tried to kill her a couple times

smashed rocks against her head and when she wasn't dead he came back to finish a job and tried to push her over a cliff you're dealing with a wild animal you're dealing with a very intelligent primate yeah basically that's somebody that most of the world would consider

an expert in her field and she's using her better judgment and still it didn't work. And we're talking, you know, Sausquatch can be an animal that's twice the size. And I don't know. You know, there's not enough of them that anybody have had any kind of friendly encounters with

for me to even slightly change my mind right now. You know, I'm kind of happy staying right here in the edge of the city where I'm at, but still I have dreams that, you know, as I sit in the facilities in the house, I have a window right next to me, and my eye level would be about six foot outside. And I just have dreams occasionally that I look over, and this thing is going to be staring in my window at me, and I can't remove myself from my current situation quick enough to exit the room, you know?

It's giving me some things to think about, you know, so it's not really traumatized me too much, but it's given me a healthy respect for more than what I thought was out there before. Yeah. Well, I can't think enough for coming on the show. I can't think enough for sharing your family's encounter. I know it's not easy sometimes looking back at these situations, knowing what you went through, what your mom went through, what your mom saw, what your sister saw.

These aren't really great memories to share, but I really do appreciate you coming on and sharing them. And I think the more and more people that do that, it'll encourage others to come forward and share their encounters. So I really want to thank you for being on the show. That's kind of my goal. You know, like you said, I come on and share, and hopefully somebody else will too.

And we can get as much information out there as we can so we can build the best knowledge on these creatures that's possible without, you know, having to send somebody out there to do it fresh. You get it from history, basically. Thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it. Thanks, Bill. Next on the show is Tara.

Tara had an interesting encounter. Actually, she had two interesting encounters. And I want to go ahead and welcome Tara to the show. And Tara, if you would, please go ahead and just walk us into your encounter. Tell us what you were doing. Tell us what you saw. And tell us, give us everything that happened. night? The first encounter, it happened a lot of years ago. I was still in high school,

and I had worked at a piece of place in town, and we lived up the river in the town we lived in, and it kind of bordered along the Kalamiopsis wilderness in southern Oregon. And I worked the night shift, or the evening shift, so I usually didn't get off work until 10 or 11. So by the time I was heading home, it was almost midnight. You know, it was a curvy road going along a river. So I came around the corner and it kind of straightened out a little. And I saw this thing. Instantly, my brain knew what it was, but it's still,

it's still one of those things to get you dumbfounded. Right. You know, you're like, did I just see what I thought I saw? And it had more of a human-formed head and shoulders where it didn't have the big thick neck on it. What was it doing? Was it just walking across the road? No, I didn't see it walk across the road.

It was kind of like peeking out around behind a tree. And it just kind of watched me, and I was slowing down, trying to look at it, and it didn't budge. I just kept going, but it just kept kind of watching me. At the time, I didn't really think about if it was a juvenile, if there was like a mom around or a family, you know, because it just seemed very curious of the car and the headlights and stuff like that. Now, did you get a good look at the creature as you were coming around?

And then one thing a lot of people are going to ask is, why don't you think it might have been a person? Kind of describe why you don't think it was a person. Yeah, because it was still fairly tall. I would say probably six to seven foot. it was definitely not human-like you definitely had hair all over it and it definitely wasn't a bear

you know it had the face similar you know like a lot of people talk about it had the big foot looking face it's almost ape-like dark brown fur hair I'm not sure what we call it on that

where we had lived up there we were used to seeing bear and bobcat mountain lion so I definitely knew it was none of those Yeah, I can imagine as you're coming around the corner just seeing this thing and a million things you're going through your head. Had you known about Bigfoot and Sasquatch prior to this encounter? I did. I believed in it. I never really had experience anything like that, but I never doubted it was out there either. So when you see this thing, you kind of already believe that Bigfoot exists.

And it's crazy how you doubt yourself, isn't it? Isn't it crazy how you start? up and go, man, did I really see that? Yeah, I kind of had that thought, but I mean, I didn't doubt what it was. I mean, I was kind of like, wow, you know, did that just happen? You know, because I knew instantly as soon as I saw it, you know, I had no doubt what he was, but it just kind of was dumbfounded like, oh my gosh, that just happened. And so what did you do next? Well, it was late, so I still had another mile to drive home.

You know, so I went home, went to bed. the next day I got up and I was talking to my mom about, you know, this incident I had the night before. And my mom kind of just stopped me and she was like, you know, asking me kind of where it was. And I said, oh, it was like a mile down the road. And it was kind of like a pasture on one side. And there was a little schoolhouse there. But the side on the other side of the road is where I had seen him. And it was trees.

And so my mom, when she stopped me, she's like, oh my gosh your dad saw the same thing right in that same area like a day or two before oh wow so yeah so you know it just kind of confirmed that it was definitely around that area how long was it before your next encounter i would say 91 when i had that one and then i probably 94 was the second one and this one was a totally different area. My ex-husband at the time, his grandparents lived in this really small town called Heim Palm, California. It's probably only 30 miles or so from Willow Creek area.

And at first, I didn't realize what was happening. And we were out there. And the first part, they had all these lands, and they had these gardens kind of in different areas and probably 100 to 200 yards away, they had like a vineyard and it kind of went up a little hill. And then it was at the bottom there was a big pond and stuff. But on the other side of the vineyard, they just left it wild, you know, and let it kind of be.

But it was fenced off. And we, my husband and I, we used to hike up in the wilderness and, you know, we had seen bear and Bob, not Bobcat, we saw mountain lions out there. So we knew that there was wild creatures out there. And I thought we were coming back towards the vineyard. And it was this huge pile of, you know, poop. And, you know, from B.C. and other wild animals scat and stuff. There was no way it was bear or mountain line or anything.

Because you could tell by what was in it. It was, like, cherry pits and stuff like that that a carnivore wouldn't eat. but there was stuff like a bear would eat, but it wasn't shaped like bear scat. You know, and it was probably a good, almost like if you put it in a milk jug, it's probably like almost two gallons worth. Oh, Jesus. Was it more human shape? It was definitely human shaped. Or, you know, you can you have a dog and you see if I have a dog poop?

It was very log shaped. I got you. It wasn't like a splatter. It wasn't pelleted. It was all firm the whole way. You know, and I was talking to my ex-husband, and I said, well, look at this. This is crazy. He was just, you know, tried to brush it off because he did not believe in Bigfoot at all.

So I just kind of was like, okay, you know. But, you know, it just kind of always stuck in my mind. And so that was probably, you know, approaching evening time. So then we went in and, you know, did some family stuff. And then later that evening, I took a bath. And the way that their little cabin was set up, like, the door opened. And then the bathtub, it opened towards, like, where you put the heads for the bathtub. Right.

And it was one of those old-fashioned, big porcelain cloth with tubs. So it took forever to fill up. So I was in there. for quite a while, and the bathtub faced this little window that was kind of, it was higher up on the wall. My son was like two at the time, so then I kind of bathed him and sent him off my ex-husband, and I continued to take a bath, and me thinking my ex-husband, who's this practical joker kind of guy, I thought he had went outside and was looking in the window, you know,

and I'm sitting there, oh, yeah, I see you right there, and totally talking to it. and, you know, it didn't really say anything, and it stayed there for quite a while. And I'm just talking to it. So by the time I was done with the bath and everything, I went out into the living room and everybody was still sitting there. And I thought, I was thinking to myself, well, that was really crazy.

But in my head, I was still thinking, oh, yeah, it had to be my ex. So the next day, we had went outside. And for me, I was like, you know, I want to see if he was standing out on the chair. or a woodpile or what he was doing so we could see inside this window. You know, there was no chair, no woodpile, no nothing anywhere near there. And that window was a good seven, eight feet off the ground. Oh, wow. So it was in my mind, it dawned to me.

I was like, oh, my gosh. That had to have been because, you know, it was dark. You could see, you know, it was definitely, you know, it was just like head because the window was so high. and it wasn't real, real big, but you could definitely see head and eyes. Something was watching me. You know, it finally had dawned on me that that had to have been a big foot. Because the other side of their yard, it was just more forest out there. There would be nothing else that tall to have been looking in that window.

So when you were looking at it, were you looking at just kind of an outline of a person? I'm assuming you probably didn't get a lot of details because all the light is where you're at. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely could see being, you know, head form, and you could see it was like moving back and forth, you know, so it wasn't like, my eyes weren't like playing tricks on me, but you could actually see something there and, you know, it's a little bit of definition and like there was eyes and stuff there. That's terrifying.

Yeah, yeah, especially afterwards, and you're like, oh, my gosh, I was like in there, but naked and taking a bath and it's just sitting there watching in the window, yeah. Did you tell your husband about it? What did he say? Well, he didn't believe in anything, so it was kind of pointless to really talk to him about it. Yeah, I just kind of, I never really brought that stuff up to him anymore

after he kind of made fun of it. And later, you know, later in life I'd seen him making fun of people doing the Bigfoot parties looking for him and stuff like that. But where his grandparents had lived, we weren't there. You know, we used to probably go, we lived like three hours away up in Southern Oregon.

You know, we'd go down there like once a month to check on his grandparents and stuff. And his grandmother had said, they had the screened-in porch and they had like a freezer and it was kind of where she kept most of her pantry stuff. and she said something got in there and had like tore the whole room apart and like got into the freezer. You know, she kept saying, oh, it was just a bear.

And I'm like, okay. You know, I wasn't quite convinced with that part. Yeah. Because, you know, like I, you know, the whole door was pulled off and to get into the freezer. I don't know. So that one I question, if it really was a bear or not. Yeah, usually when a bear does something like that, usually it leaves telltale signs of it being a bear.

You know, like the cabin that was attacked, I think it was on Monster Quest. And the guy, people were saying, well, it was probably a bear. But the fridge had been opened, had opened all the cupboards. I mean, this thing had gone through, had to have hands. It had to have hands when it was going through tearing this place apart. And you're right, for it to get into a freezer. I mean, unless a bear is lucky, you almost need hands to open a freezer and get in there.

You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. That's why I was skeptical when she said, oh, yeah, I was just a bear. And, you know, I don't know what their beliefs of any of that was. But I know, oh, probably within the next year they moved out of there. You know, I don't know if they ever had any kind of strange things. happened there? Yeah.

You know, obviously they did, you know, but I think they always just tried to tell everybody else, well, yeah, it was just a bear. So. Godspeed to the new homeowners and their their bath taking. Yeah. For sure.

But, you know, there was always, at night, if you were outside, there was always like an eerie feeling outside. To me, you know, I didn't, I did not like being outside there. Just got a bad vibe from the place? Yeah. You know, and they always had dogs, you know, when it was, you could tell if it was a bear or mountain-like stuff that they were really used to, they'd take off run.

You could hear them take off running and embarking, but, you know, sometimes you just get this eerie feeling, and the dogs were going nowhere. Yeah. You know, who knows? I know, I mean, I didn't really start thinking about a whole lot about Bigfoot until, like, after some of that stuff, we, one time we had stopped in Willow Creek, and we had stopped at. a mechanic place. Our car was having trouble. And like on the wall at the mechanic shop, you had all this stuff about the paddy film and how, you know, it wasn't that far away. And I'm like, oh, well, you know, that's kind of creepy. You know, because I was young and naive kind of back in those days. I was like, you know, between 17 and 22 maybe when I had that

happen. Well, those are, I mean, that's an amazing encounter. Both of those encounters are. And, you know, I can't thank you enough for coming forward. And I think I've seen you guys on Facebook. Your husband's William, right? Yes. He's got the beard. He's kind of the, looks like he could be my brother. Yes.

Well, yeah, he's been pushing me to come on the show. And I'm like, they're not real exciting, you know. I mean. No, it's good stuff. You know, I think about that. And I'm like, you know, and I don't care. I mean, the sightings I've had, I believe, what I saw

and if somebody wants to say oh you made that up why would I make up something like that why wouldn't I go go big you know if I was going to make something up yeah no I mean most encounters I think aren't real super exciting you know most encounters it's it's the people who

see one crossing a road or although you had one in the back window I mean that's that's terrifying enough that window being 7 8 feet off of the ground yeah I mean that's terrifying enough right there The first encounter is terrifying, especially if you're by yourself and you're in a car and you're coming around to bend. You're like, what the heck is that?

Yeah, and back at that time, I didn't even think to like go look and see if there were footprints or anything like that. You know, nowadays I would go look for that kind of stuff. Yeah, most people. It didn't even cross my mind back then. Yeah, most people have encounters that doesn't cross her mind. Well, thank you again, Tara, for coming on the show. I really do appreciate it. Okay, thank you.

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