Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1002 Sasquatch, Dogman And A Mouse

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

Tonight I will be speaking to Harley who had an encounter in 2020 in Virginia. We will also be speaking to Brandon who had a very strange night of running into this werewolf type creature. Harley writes "I have a encounter I'd like to share with you. I have pictures of footprints, the creature, I have audio and what I believe to be a Bigfoot, would love to chat!" Spoke to Harley and he said "I always thought Bigfoot was nonsense. In 2020, I was hunting in Virginia and I saw this creature come out on the ridge and look at me then look down the ridge and look at me again. It kept doing this and it was massive. I was able to snap a picture then something strange happened on my phone camera. Later that night several of these things were going off and you could hear it echo through the valley." Brandon writes "I wanted to reach out to you to possibly discuss my strange encounter from back in February 2007 in Miami county Indiana. It isn't so much a Sasquatch, but I don't know how to describe it all because the whole experience is crazy. I'm not sure if you want all the details, but I'll write it all out below. The short version is a coworker and I were both driving our own vehicles and had to swerve to avoid a large black shape in the road, then turned around to see what it was an encountered a large canine that stood up on two legs before running off. If you're interested in talking with me, please let me know."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you bet. See you. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six foot nine.

I don't know. Do you see a ma'all sir? Yes, I'm looking right in any. Uh-uh. The Avery from Texas and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Congratulations on a thousand episodes. We're so proud of you, Mr. West. Welcome to the show, everyone.

Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Harley. And Harley comes to us from Virginia. And back in 2020, he was doing some work out in the woods. When he came across this creature, he was able to snap a picture of it. And if you want to check it out, it's underneath this episode on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And he also captured some very strange audio I'll play for you tonight.

And then we're going to wrap up with Brandon. And Brandon comes to us from Indiana. And in 2007, you had this pretty scary and very strange encounter along this road in the middle of the night. I'll kind of like Brandon go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows.

let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Harley to the show. Harley, thanks for coming on. Yes, sir, no problem. I appreciate you for having me. Yeah, and let me ask you, prior to this incident happening to you in 2020, just three years ago,

what was your feelings prior to this with regard to Sasquatch? What was kind of your take on the subject? I was a skeptic, not a lot. I was. And then when I had my, firsthand encounter, I've become a true believer. And it's changed my life a lot.

Well, if you would kind of take me back to 2020 out there in Virginia, what were you doing and what happened? All right. So the week prior, we were up there working, cleaning up the equipment and stuff, getting ready to have auction that weekend. and coming the weekend, it was a little wet and rainy, and I was just walking around away from the auction site there along the edge of the woods, and I can make out a couple sets of tracks, and I got to looking at one of them, and you could see the heel and partial toes, and I put my foot up next to it, and it dwarfed mine.

I was like, well, that's all. There's somebody's been out here walking around barefooted, And I remember talking to the owner when we first got up to that place, he said, he was telling us about a bear that had been up in there around the dumps and stuff, taking the trash and eating. And I got to ask him about the snakes and coyotes and all of the other stuff that was around. He said, there's far worse things than those in these mountains. And that kind of stuck with me, you know, that's what could be worse than that. and going to the next week there, I stayed up there and the rest of the guys had left to go to get another auction ready. So about Tuesday, it had dried up, and I went back, and on that same trailway, there was a different set of tracks.

They looked bigger than the one that I had originally found. and yeah they were coming from the ridge right across the creek and over towards the sawmill I was like well there's something been coming in out of here that's pretty pretty big and the video of the trackway I sent you you could see where something's frequently used in that trailway other than deer and going into that Wednesday it's about 12.31 o'clock I hadn't had anybody in there over a couple hours because I was helping them load their stuff. I went over to the service truck that I was driving and I grabbed me a Coca-Cola and a sandwich and I just about to take a bite out of my sandwich and I heard a growl or a grunt.

You sound like a growl almost, but it could have been a grunt of it. It just caught my attention and I looked towards the wood line, which is about 50, 100 yards away from the sawmill and I didn't see nothing. So I just kept looking along the wood line and I just sat there for another minute looking and I looked back down and I grabbed my sandwich and I heard it again. Well, the wood line was about 50,000 yards away. And then on the other side of the woodline was the ridge where the cliff was and I looked it that way. And I seen a flash of black and I looked back down and I looked back up and I seen it leaning out from behind the tree. It had its arm around the trees and it was leaning out and then leaning back in.

And I was like, well, that's, that's all I. Because like when I seen the coloration, I thought it was a bear. And then I got the thing and I had a bearer don't act like that. It don't act intelligent or curious like this thing was acting. And I just froze and I just had a feeling of fear just overwhelmed me. Like I just felt like I couldn't move. I had never experienced any feeling like that before. and I was lucky enough to snag a picture and as soon as I snagged the picture, my phone just started acting where it had died.

And so I just threw it in a truck and I just kept watching this thing and it turned around and went back the way it came. The smell is the only way that I could describe it. It smelled like a mix of rotten eggs or rotten flesh. It was a god awful smell. the only way I could smell it was the way the wind was blowing towards me. And, but it just turned around and went back to the way it came. It was bipedal. It wasn't on four legs.

It just, it moved fluently, and it just shot back the way it came. I could hear it walking away, and it was real heavy footsteps. And I just sat there, and it was like, oh, my gosh, what? Did I just see what I think I had just seen? and it just overwhelmed me. Yeah, I can imagine. And you know, you being an outdoorsman, Harley, you know, and being skeptical and not really buying into this, I can imagine there was a ton of shock.

And, you know, a picture a lot of times doesn't quite show what you see in person. People, for example, people send me pictures of like footprints. And in the picture, I can tell there's a footprint there. And I've done this myself. but it doesn't quite capture what I saw. For the audience, would you kind of describe what you saw? It was about 150 yards away from me, but it was a lot bigger than me.

I'm 6'6, but I mean, I'm a little bit of a featherweight. I'm only about 160, 170 pounds, and this thing, it was a lot bigger than me. I'd say easily over seven, and easily over seven foot, and I'd say every bit of five, six hundred pounds. I mean, it was, it was a big, big individual. It was very impressive. And I just, if I had made any wrong move or anything, that thing could have easily come down there and just grab me up.

And I would have never been seen again, you know. I mean, it's, and for three years, I have not been back in the woods deer hunting since that day. It's been over three years since I've been deer hunting, and it's really had a big impact on my life. It's changed me a lot. But the big thing that I remember was just a sheer width of it, the shoulders and just how broad it was. And it was huge. And just the way it was acting, the way it was moving and acting curious, it was unlike anything that's not normal, It's supposed to be normal as I've had out with some more dortsmen at theorsmen it's supposed to see.

You know, I mean, it's traumatized me, you know. Yeah, I think it's so cool that you got a picture, and I'm looking at it right now. Was he looking at you, or was he looking down the ridge? I believe that he was looking down the ridge when I snapped the picture. But he was looking at me, though. majority of the time. He would look at me and then he would look over to which would have been my right. And he it was it was being very observant. It was looking around. I mean, but he he knew I was there. He she met whatever it may have been. It was it was it knew I was there and it made sure it knew that I it was there.

Because if it hadn't made the growls or grunts, I would have never seen it. Yeah. That's kind of what I. I was curious about if he knew that or this thing knew that you were there or not. Kind of weird about your phone. So what happened with your phone? It just died. I had it on charge and when I snagged the picture, the phone died. And whenever I turned the phone back on, the camera was still out of whack.

I could not get, my camera was just black. and I could it wouldn't let me video it wouldn't let me do anything on my camera it was just really weird and I mean I've still got the phone to this day I have it because I was able to get some of the stuff off of it and it's just weird how it messed up and these things have the ability to mess with technology like they do I mean I'm nude at the Bigfoot I mean I'm just now opening up and sharing my stuff story. And I mean, I want to learn as much as I can about these things and get back out there and have my second firsthand encounter and get more evidence. And I talked with somebody and they said

that it could have been infrasound that was what made my phone mess up. And I've never heard of that. And I really don't know how to explain what it is. I mean, they said that these animals can make a certain frequency call or something and it just messes with the technology. But I mean, I'm not 100% sure for certain, but I thought that was really interesting. I mean, it was a brand new phone, too. I had it. I mean, I didn't have it very long. Yeah, it's kind of a theory in the Bigfoot world that they produce infrasound.

And, you know, no one really knows if they do or not. And infrasound is something that, you know, natural animals do like elephants or tigers. I don't know that it would blow out of phone, though. I think the first guy to really measure infrasound was back in the 50s. And he was from France. I think his name was Vladimir Gavaro or something like that. But he was measuring infrasound with instruments. So, you know, all that's above my pay grade.

I don't know if it'd blow out of phone, but it's weird because in a lot of situations, there is a lot of people who report trail cameras, not working. or night vision turning off or infrared cameras just dying. Kind of like all the batteries have been zapped. But it's not as strange as you might think. It happens a lot. So kind of tell me what happens next because you end up capturing audio. Yeah, so the audio happened that evening.

It's probably about dusky dark. It's probably about 8.30, 9 o'clock. It's dusky dark. there was a couple of deer up in the valley up from where I was at, and I was watching them. And I look back, and they were gone. So they got out of Dodge, and I was like, well, that's just, that's weird. There's probably a coyote or something up there. And then I was like, well, the thing could be up there too.

So I just sat there and I was listening. And all of a sudden, everything just got dead quiet. and then that's when the vocalization started and it was echoing and just everything was just dead quiet only the crickets were going and it it was unlike anything i've ever heard i've had people tell me that oh that's just a bunch of coyotes oh that's an elk and it's just odd to me that somebody would think that that's a coyote for one if that's a coyote that's a big that's a big coyote and coyote don't get very big at all. And elk, and I'm sitting here thinking, okay, elk, we have elk in Tennessee. I've heard elk, they bugle, they don't do a howl or whoops or anything like that. So you can't tell me that that is an elk. Yeah, it doesn't sound like any elk or coy I've ever heard.

And for the audience, this is what Harley captured. Man, that thing sounds close. you know a lot of times I play audio, it doesn't quite capture the amplitude. And in this situation, I think you captured it. Were you thinking at this point, like, I'm getting the hell out of here? I don't know what's going on, but I'm out of here. No, no, no. I was going to get answers because, I mean, I didn't have anything better to do,

but just go to the hotel. So I was just going to stick it out. If I wouldn't have stayed there, I wouldn't have got the vocalizations. Yeah, you're right. Right. And I'll play your other vocalizations that happened, I believe, the following night. But while this was going off, were you thinking like, I'm a dead man? Yeah. Yeah, I definitely was. Because there was definitely more than one.

Just the way they sounded, like they were going on all at once. Because, I mean, they were back to back vocalizations, and I just thought they sounded differently. So it sounded like one was behind. me up on the ridge where I had saw the creature earlier that day and then the other ones sounded like they were down in the hall or below me. So you're able to use your phone, just not the camera. Tell me about the next day. It was just, it was eerily quiet.

I mean, I didn't see no deer or nothing because I had seen deer in there every morning. And there was no deer. it was just eerily quiet. And I kept hearing these strange whistles, kind of like a bird whistle, but really, really loud. It was just odd. I mean, I had never heard of bird whistle

as loud as what that was. It was just weird. And going right to about Desky Dark, it was really quiet still. And then that's when they started up right after Dark. I was sitting in the pickup truck cataloging everything that I had done for the day, who all had came by and picked up their stuff. So I was sitting in the truck with the window to crack just a little bit.

And I heard them start again. It was just eerie, man. They was echoing through the mountains, and it was just wild to me. It was pretty insane. Yeah, and here is the second audio that Harley recorded for the audience. It's a little bit long, so I've trimmed it down, but I think you'll get the picture. And these are two different pieces of audio that are 15 minutes apart. But here's the first one that he captured.

And this is 15 minutes later. And Harley, you said that it kind of seemed to you that there was multiple creatures there. The other had to have been. If I'd stay for about an hour or two after Norton, I left. I had to leave on that Friday. I didn't even go back. I just left. The day I left to come back home,

I stopped at this little dining place called Robos, and there was a couple old guys in there. So I figured, well, they may even know what I've been seeing and experiencing, so I just sat down with them. I started talking to them. And I started talking about what had been going on and what all I've got. They were kind of quiet.

I had about it at first, and they said, that's a devil monkey. And that stuck out with me. I mean, that's a term that I have never heard before, devil monkeys. They just told me what it was, and they said, you're lucky you didn't get hurt. It was weird. Yeah, you'll hear a lot of those terms mainly in the South, like devil monkey or mountain devil or booger. You'll hear many different terms. and have you actually gone back to this place?

Nope, nope, I have not. Now, I would love to go back and have some closure and maybe even find some more evidence, but we'll just have to see what the future holds with that. Yeah, and I know you're an outdoorsman, Harley, and, you know, you didn't really buy into the whole Sasquatch thing prior to this. How did it kind of affect your life? Oh, it had a big impact on my life,

because I mean, I wanted to tell people and I've just been afraid of getting ridiculed and called crazy and just so I just kept it build up inside of me and I've had nightmares about it. Just anything and everything just bothers me about trying to talk with somebody about it. But, you know, I can't let it build up inside of me. I've got to tell people. I've got to share my story because there's probably somebody else out there that's going through the same thing I am. and I want to be the one to tell them that they're not alone in this. They can share their story about a couple weeks after I had experienced that. I went without sleep for a long time.

I lost weight too because I was just stressed and I had everything was on me. I wanted to tell people, but then I didn't want to, and it had a big impact on me. Yeah, and I can understand that. I understand the way you feel. and it's frustrating because it's something traumatic. It's something very personal and, you know, people goof on you. They're laughing at you. But I got to give you credit, man.

In a very short amount of time, you collected a ton of evidence. I mean, you got a picture, you got great audio, you got footprints. And I got to commend you for that, you know, trying to collect as much as you could before you had to leave. can I ask you, and I know that you don't know, and I don't know, but why do you think they didn't hurt you? I don't have a real definitive answer for that. I mean, I guess they didn't see me as a threat, I mean, because I was just doing my own thing, and they were doing theirs, I guess. I guess they didn't see me as a threat. That's the only thing I can think of it being.

Yeah, and a lot happened in a very short amount of time. I mean, we're only talking three years ago. you know, where you were pretty skeptical and didn't buy into it to where not only did you encounter them, you collected evidence of it. And I ask everyone on the show, you know, what do you think Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer. But I'm curious, Harley, what do you think that these creatures are? Well, I mean, coming from a long line of Christian family, I think that the Bigfoot are a line of Nephilim.

the fallen angels. And that's one thing that's really big to me is my faith. And it helps me a lot through my life. And that's what I believe that big for all of these descendants of the Nephilim. The feeling that you have when you're witnessing these things, there's a feeling that comes over you. It's kind of like fear, but there's something about them that's just amazing. And they're just, I don't know really how to explain it. It's just like a big weight on your shoulders that you're seeing something that's just spiritual in some way or it's it's weird to explain it's there's a power that those things can do and it's i don't know i don't have any words for it's just like the atmosphere around you's just on you it's just it's just it's hard to explain really

i mean it it's a big weight on your shoulders whenever you're looking at these things Yeah, and you could be right. You could be right, Harley. You know, it would explain a lot of the weird things that go on in people's encounters. And not every encounter has weird paranormal stuff going on. But the weird stuff does get reported more than most people think. You know, everything from glowing red eyes to balls of light to, I mean, I could go down the list. And, you know, if there was any other normal animal, I don't think you.

you have those reports of all the weird stuff. And that's even, you know, with your situation, you're right. When you're around them, it's like the air gets heavy. It's very different than running into like a bear or a cougar or something like that. And I know you're new to the Big Four World, man. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share this account with us and share what you collected from this incident. I really enjoyed chatting with you.

Yes, sir, I appreciate you a lot. This helps me beyond measure, you know. I mean, it's been built up inside of me for three years. I'm sure my story is helping me a lot. I've got my evidence, and I know that without a shadow of a doubt what I've got is Bigfoot. And I just hope others come forth and share their stories. Yeah, more people need to for sure. I sure appreciate you, Harley. Hey, I appreciate you, Wes. Next step on the show, I want to welcome Brandon. Brandon, thanks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Yeah, and you had this really weird incident happen to you.

We're going back to 2007 in Indiana. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you doing and what happened? Well, I used to work at a paper stock warehouse, and the warehouse is on the outskirts of Peru, which is the name of the town. We were on third shifts, and this was basically our Thursday night, Friday morning. While our boss at the time, she wanted to leave early because the guy that ran the warehouse

and generally comes in during the day, he usually shows up before we leave in the mornings, but he was on vacation. And every Friday, she would always let us leave 10 minutes early, and she would just write on our time card that we left at 6.30. While on this day, she said, as soon as we got the orders done, So we got everything delivered and brought back, we could get out of there. So, of course, we hurried up, did everything we could to hurry up and get out of there. It was between 430 and 5.

So I'm going to say about 445, we ended up leaving. And I go down the road. I turn down this county road heading towards where my parents looked at the time. I was 22, 23, and I still live with my parents. And I'm heading down the road. And I notice there's headlights for him, which was one of the coworkers. And we're driving down the road. but it's still dark outside because it's February and it's or something in the morning.

And as we're driving, he's maybe a thousand feet in front of me, give or take. But I notice his tail lights, they swerve down into the ditch. And then they shoot back out on the road and they keep going. And the first thing I'm thinking of is, what is this guy doing? Now, back in 2007, we didn't have the smartphones like we do the days. He wasn't scrolling through a Facebook or just not paying attention. It was just really confusing. He's like, what could he be doing?

Why would he be off the road? And as I'm driving closer, I notice the shape in the middle of the road. And at first, it looked like a person. Again, I'm still driving, so this is all happening really quickly. So the first thought in my brain was, why is there a person walking in the middle of the road? And as the close as I got, they're not trying to move out of the way. And as we get, or as I get close, I can see that there's no head. and there's no arms.

It looks like someone wrapped in a big black blanket, but they're leaning forward, and the way they're walking is very unnatural. Like they, like the, I've always tried to explain it as, you know, a car dealership where they have the big inflatable tube men

that flap their arms around or whatever in the wind. That's almost like the movement, as it would take a step, its body would flail, almost like it was glitching. Like, it didn't make any sense. It's hard to describe it of, of the way it was moving because it's just very unnatural.

But it took a step and it would flail around and took another step, flailing around. I slam on my brakes and I have to swerve too, but I don't go off in the ditch. I just get over as far as I can. The thing starts to keep walking past and I can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure it bumped into the mirror. But I'm trying to look through my driver's window up at this thing.

And I don't see ahead. I don't see any arms. I just see a big thick black torso with two thick black legs. And it's leaning forward, almost like when you see someone using a walker, like an old person that had to use a walker to get around. Like that's the lean it had leaning forward, almost like hunched over. And as it got towards the end of the vehicle, my red taillights were lighting it up.

And I could see the ground and stuff between its legs. So its legs were blocking out the ground, so it was solid. And there was no clothing, no fur, nothing that I could really make out other than solid black or dark gray skin. I guess I don't know. It's just solid black. And at this point, I just tromp on my gas because I'm like, I'm getting out of here. And as I drive off, I noticed that my coworker had pulled into this gravel parking lot, maybe a quarter mile down. the road and this is right by the major highway that runs through here so i pull in next to him

roll down my window he rolled down his window his eyes are all bulged out he's like did you see that i said yeah he's like what was it i was like i have no idea he's like it didn't have an effing head i was like i didn't see a head i didn't see anything i said just literally just i had to swerved to miss it and i was like we need to go back he's like are you crazy i was like well maybe in this instance yeah i guess i'm crazy because i wanted to go back Because I'm super confused as of what this could have been. Because the whole time I'm thinking it was a person, but there's no way it was a person because it was too tall.

The Explorer was 67 inches tall. I looked online. So that's a little over 5.5 feet to the top. This thing was at least a foot or foot and a half above where I could see leaning. So if it stood straight up, it had to bend well over 7 feet. But I convinced him to follow me back. So we're driving back and I'm in front. We get right back to the same area.

I'd say again, maybe a quarter of a mile. And there's a big black animal-looking thing laying across the road in the same area. As we got up to it, I'm maybe 30 feet from there, and I stopped my vehicle. And it looks like a giant dog. And by giant, I mean it's big enough that it's going across both lanes. It's a lot bigger than the average dog. It's just laying there. It looks lifeless.

So I opened up my door. I'm going to check this out because the first thing I'm thinking, this must have been what was walking in the road. And it's a big dog. So I was confused. I was like, I would a dog be on its feet like that? It doesn't make any sense.

I couldn't process anything like that. So as I start to walk closer, he cracks his window down. He's like, what are you doing? It's like, well, clearly it's a dog. He's like, get back in your car, you idiot. I just kind of ignored him and I kept walking.

And I'm about 15 feet from this thing. and it lifts its head up off the ground. Now, the way it's laying, it's got its back to us, so everything's facing the direction we're going. But it kind of lifts its head up and turns back and it looks at me. And as it looks at me, its eyes are glowing like this yellow, amber color, but I've always wrote that off. Basically, our headlights were hitting it from the direction when it turned at us.

So I said that was just its eyes shining from the headlights. But it just lets out this really low, bassy, rumbly growl. And I froze. I was like, uh-oh, clearly this thing isn't dead. And at that point, I'm hearing him screaming for me to get back in my vehicle, which I can't move. Like, I'm just not being able to move. My body wouldn't move.

I couldn't process this. And the thing starts to stand up. But as it stands up, it's not standing up like on all fours. It starts to get up on all fours and it kind of does a little bit of a hobble. And then it stands directly up like a person. Now its front legs, which would be like if it was a normal dog, it didn't have these what people call dog men hands or werewolf hands or the Hollywood. You'd think like the fingers or whatever in the claws. It literally looked like normal dog legs and paws.

But its shoulders went off to its sides. A normal dog's shoulders wouldn't do that, not the way their bodies are built. When it stood directly up, its arms went off to its sides and hung down like a person's wood. and it stood directly up, and its bottom legs were not bent like a normal dog's legs has those bends in them. It stood up almost like it was supposed to walk on two legs. And it looked directly at me. Just long enough, I'd say no more than two seconds on its two legs, just staring directly at me.

And we're almost eye to eye. I'm a pretty big guy. I'm six foot three. And we're basically eye at eye. So this, if it was just a dog, was a very tall dog that could stand up on two legs like a person. but we're looking eye to eye and it just kind of kneels back down almost in like that crouch position

and it starts to go off into the ditch line to the south. Now this ditch line around this whole two mile radius is about a 10 foot fence. It's 8 to 10 foot fence because it's a deer preserve and they used to have hunting in there. They still actually do but it's not the same thing.

They only have it in a certain section. So a lot of the fence is now missing. At the time this fence was there, and I never saw where it went. It basically went down into the darkness and it either went through the fence, over the fence, under the fence, or somehow just straight up disappeared,

which I'm skeptical on a lot of things, so I can't explain how something just vanishes, but we couldn't see it anymore. And when it went off, it didn't go off on four legs. It looked like it was on all fours, but it was back down in a crouch position. I only seen it using its two legs. It's two back legs.

Its front legs were kind of like height, like brought upward, almost like you'd think of like a little T-Rex would run around with his arms kind of bent. That's how it looked. So my coworker, I'd start to walk back to the vehicle and he gets out of his and he walks up to where I'm standing. And we're like, what is, what was that? Like this makes zero sense. And we're trying to like talk about this. And as we're talking, I happen to just glance down at the road.

And there's like a little feel. mouse just standing in between him and I, which were only like two feet from each other. So it was literally like directly in the center of us. And I'm like, look down and look at him and look down back at it. Like, do you see this? He kind of like lets out a weird chuckle. So I take my shoe and I kind of like nudge the mouse. The mouse is sitting on its butt on two legs basically.

And it's two front legs. It's using it to wipe its face. The mouse is all wet looking like something. I don't know. Like it was just soaking wet. And he's wiping himself. So I thought, well, maybe he's cleaning himself. He got into something.

I nudge it with my shoe. He moves just like a few feet because we're not a few feet, but a few inches. And he still cleans himself. Like he doesn't care that I use my foot to move him. And I don't know if any wild animal, wild mouse, anything like that is going to come up between two people and allow one of them to touch them and not be afraid, not run off, nothing. It would just be completely oblivious. that we're there. Like it doesn't even care.

It's just worried about cleaning itself. So at this point, I'm like, there's something super weird going on in this exact moment because I can't explain what was walking in the road. I never seen a dog stand up on two legs and walk off like that before. And I've never seen a mouse completely oblivious that a human just touched it. So I tell my coworker is like, I'm going home. Clearly this is screwed up.

I don't want to be here. I'm going home. He agreed he went off. He drove off in front of me. We had to turn around. He went off his way. I went off my way. I go home. I go to bed. And the next morning I wake up and I get on the internet. I start looking for things. I kind of sketched a photo of this dog that I drew. And I'm not an artist by any means. I tried to draw what I thought I saw. And I scan the photo, put it online. I go to this unexplained mystery. trees.com or something like that. And they had forum on there. And I went into like cryptids or monsters or something. And I, because I thought it was a werewolf.

Because again, that's the first thing someone's going to think of this. Clearly, this was like a werewolf. And I post up the photo. And one of the first comments I get is someone says, Michigan dog man. I'm like,

what is a Michigan dog man? So I started going down that rabbit hole and getting a lot of like photos and sketches. I was like, this really does look very, very similar to what it was because the creature, the dog, or whatever it was, it looked like a very big, all black German Shepherd type dog. But it didn't have a lot of the features that the typical dogman depictions have. Like, it was completely covered in fur. It had really thick, puffy fur, almost like a child dog's. Its head was big, but its ears were right on top.

and they were pointy years. A lot of people were like, well, I could have been a bear. I say that we don't have bear here in Indiana, at least not to my knowledge, but we also don't have upright walking canines either, supposedly. So I can't rule out one way or the other, but I know what a bear looks like. And clearly what I saw was not a bear because it had a dog's face and had everything else about a dog. And I'm pretty sure it had a long, bushy tail like a dog. So I thought maybe it was a black wolf.

But again, I don't even know if wolves, if they stand up like that could be my height. I'm not a wolf expert or anything like that. But I still don't know of them being able to stand up like a human and walk off that way. It's very weird. But I get all this information and I go back to work on the following Sunday night, which we've been our Monday. And I show my coworker, like the stuff that I've looked up, tried to explain to him what I'd found. Well, there's a couple other people we work with, and they burst out laughing.

And they started making fun saying, oh, you guys saw a werewolf and laughing hysterically, and poking fun. And my coworker gets really upset that I've said this in front of people. So he pulls me off to the side and tells me very unnestly that I need to knock off talking about it. And if I continue to talk about it, I'm going to regret it. And if I bring it up again, he's just going to deny it and tell everyone I'm crazy and then I'm lying. He has no idea what I'm talking about because he doesn't want other people thinking he's crazy. So for 15 years, I never brought it up up until somewhat recently.

A lot of the reasons I even mention it now is literally over your podcast and you talk with other people. One of the first episodes I heard from your episodes were someone was talking about a dog man encounter. and I'd never really heard of anyone else having these type of encounters before. And that was like a little over three and a half years ago. So I really started looking more into it. I've always been a skeptic. So it's really hard for me to accept the unacceptable, I guess, because this is not something that makes any sense to me.

The whole situation doesn't make sense and the possibility that these type of things exist doesn't add up. But the more I've looked into it, the more I've dug into it, I'm a little bit more open-minded now about certain things. That first thing that you passed, that very first figure, and I'll come back to the dogman, but that first figure that was on the road, and it's obviously physical because you thought it was a man, but what details really stood out to you the most about it? The torso and everything towards the top was almost like it wasn't rounded. it had a very, not flat, but like a bumpy type top to it.

And it was really broad and thick. And then it like tapered down to where the legs and the legs got thicker like were hips for it. And you could see two really big thick legs. And they were a lot bigger than this dog. The dog, when it stood up, it had proportionate size legs for how tall it was. Obviously they looked bigger than what a normal dogs were. But they weren't nearly as thick as the first thing.

that we saw. And that's where I always get hung up because for 15 years, I've tried to write this off as basically being just a normal dog that was playing with a mouse. I said the mouse was all wet because this dog was playing with it in the road, licking it, trying to eat it, whatever dogs do with animals. And someone came driving through the road before we did and hit this dog. And maybe the dog's front legs were broken. That's why it was trying to use its back legs to walk and that's why it looked really funny when we first encountered it because it doesn't know how to walk on two legs but it couldn't use its front legs so that explains why they were off on its side like shoulders for human arms would be and then the mouse was traumatized

from this dog experience of the dog trying to eat it and I was like yep that's what happened that has to be the logical explanation because that's what I was looking for I didn't want to think that there's these weird animals weird creatures whatever out there so if I I wrote it off as nothing more than just a normal dog. It just happened to be very big. And I had broken legs and it was messing with the mouse. And that's fine until you get to the point of what we actually saw walking originally. Whatever was walking that didn't have a head and didn't have arms,

so much bigger than the dog. If the dog stood up next to my vehicle, it would be basically at the top of the vehicle. It wouldn't have been over a foot taller, minimum, leaning forward. And its legs were nowhere near as thick. So I can't describe like, I don't remember even seeing feet on this thing as a walk. It literally just like two thick legs and a body. But I couldn't see muscle or fur or clothing or anything definitive to describe what it was.

It was just like a solid black mass walking. It wasn't walking like normally. Like every time I'd take a step, it would flop a little bit and flail, almost like it was glitching. Like I've always said that like if you see like electrical current glitches or something, that seems to be. What I think it seemed to be moving. Like, it didn't look real. Like, that's the one way I can describe it is it didn't look normal or real or whatever. It looked very odd, otherworldly.

Yeah, what a weird night. What a very strange night. And, you know, I understand being skeptical and going, well, this is really what must have happened. But as you reflect on it, after all these years, I mean, what do you think that these things were? Because I agree with you. It sounds natural. I honestly don't have any idea what the first thing was. I don't know if they were all three somehow related or all three completely different.

Now, since I've talked about this here in the last few months, I've had someone tell me that all three of them were the same thing and we encountered a shapeshifter. The first thing we encountered was it trying to get into a definitive form and then it turned into the dog. And the dog turned into the mouse. And again, being skeptical, I don't necessarily know if I agree with that or not. But I guess it's plausible. I won't rule anything out at this point. Someone else has said that we were abducted by aliens. These were the implanted memories they put into our brains to cover up what really happened.

But I've said I didn't lose time or anything like that. So again, I don't necessarily buy into that one either. And just very recently, someone said we encountered a Sasquod. that was in a fight with a dog man. So the first thing walking by was a Sasquatch, and it was walking funny because he'd just got into this big battle with a dog man, and we saw the dog man. He'd come crawling out of a ditch because the Sasquatch beat the crap out of him,

and the mouse was just traumatized from seeing it all. I was like, again, these are all pretty out there theories, and me trying to rationalize things in a way that my brain processes stuff is like, I can't say one way or the other, because it doesn't make sense to me. And even my own encounter doesn't make sense. Again, I've tried to write it off for so long as being something normal without accepting the fact that it's clearly not normal.

And as far as the first thing goes, without having a head and arms or having any, like, definitive features, with it being so big, there's nothing that I can think of other than what people say are Sasquatch where they see a Sasquatch and stuff as being something similar to that, but at the same time, I don't know if anyone that's ever seen a Sasquatch, it didn't have arms or a head. Because I could see it as though it was walking with my headlights, and it was just a solid black. There was no place for arms and no place for a head. It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah, there have been a few reports where people, like in the South, will call them no heads. And it's because their shoulders are so big, and the head is kind of at a, you know, was kind of pointed down. So when you see him from behind, I know there's people in the south that'll call Sasquatch no heads, but this doesn't sound like a Sasquatch at all. And you know this.

I mean, I'm sure you've owned dogs before. When you walked up and this thing started growling at you, was it like any other dog you'd ever heard? It had a very canine-sounding growl, but it was a lot louder and a lot deeper. Like, it had a lot of rumble to it. And the whole time, and I know when people have talked about dogmen and stuff, that they say that you're afraid. The strange thing about all this was I wasn't ever afraid of anything going on.

And maybe it's because I was just being dumb and naive. But at first, I just thought it was just a normal dog that was hit by a car. So the first thing I thought of was basically being, oh, it's a hurt animal. Of course, it growled at me because it's hurt. but I don't know of anything that can growl like that. And I don't know just from listening to your podcast and some other things. People have mentioned infrasound, like what tigers can do to freeze their prayer or whatever. And they say Sasquatch and some things can do that as well.

I don't know if that's what it hit me with because I don't, as soon as it did that, my body completely froze. Like I wasn't afraid of it, but I felt like I couldn't move. It's like I was just frozen there just to watch it. stand up and then stand directly up and look directly at me and then get back down and go off on its own in that crouch position. What was the point of that? It's like it stood up just so it could show me it stood up. That's how I've always took.

I was like, there was no reason for it to stand up like other than the fact that like, hey, look what I can do and then get back down and go. Yeah. And obviously it was physical. But I mean, at this point, are you starting to think maybe this is something more spiritual, maybe more demonic? I don't know if it was demonic or anything like that, but I've also thought lately that if this thing wanted to attack me, it literally could have just got me within a second

because it was how close to it I was. I was literally barely 15 feet from it. And if it was standing there, all I have to do is take one big lunge and it could have me, bit me, whatever it wanted to do. I say grab, but again, it didn't have what most depictions of dog men and werewolves or anything like that have. It didn't have the hands. It still had the normal dog features. And that's where I get hung up on it is because you see these drawings and listen to what other people have said about what they see for dog man and their bodies have almost a human element to them.

They have more like the fingers with the claws. They have like missing fur so you can see the muscles in their bodies and stuff. This thing didn't have any of that. And the one thing that really got to me was people are like, oh, you saw a bear or is a bear with mange? It was like, why would it have mange? I didn't say anything about it missing fur. It actually had really, really thick fur to where I couldn't see like any parts of its body other than thick fur. So saying something had mange is irrelevant because I never said anything about it not having fur.

So the dog itself, I think, was physical in the sense. and whatever was walking had to have been because I remember specifically, I'm pretty sure it bumped into the mirror because I remember hearing it bumped the mirror. So if it wasn't anything physical, it wouldn't have made a noise as it walked past the mirror. Yeah, it sounds like you ran into something physical,

but just how your description, I mean, it sounds like it was something more than physical. Have you been back down this road since this happened? I only live a couple miles still from this road, So I go down the road all the time. I've never seen anything out there again. Yeah, it's very strange. I know that you don't know and I don't know.

But you know, you're 15 feet away from this saying it was just growling at you. Why do you think it didn't attack you? Just from some of the things I've read and listened to and researched into, maybe because I didn't show it fear. If that makes any sense, like the whole time I wasn't afraid of it. I've heard a lot about people say these dog men smell fear or they enjoy people being afraid. And again, I don't know. I'm no expert.

I'm literally just been going down these paths since I had my encounter. It literally changed my whole perspective because I didn't dive into stuff like this up until that. Like I enjoyed my monster movies. I enjoyed my X-Files as a kid or whatever, but I never took anything like that seriously. To me, it was just like, oh, the American Warwolf in London, that's a great movie. I didn't think anything like that existed. It's Hollywood. And then when you see something like that, it's like your brain can't process it.

At least mine couldn't. To me, I was like, oh, it has to be explainable. And I've never been able to explain it. But when I went down these paths with this dog band type creatures, if you actually go through history, there's been sightings all over the world for years. The ancient Egyptians had anubis, which was a jackal. head, which can be similar to a doghead as a god on a human body. The Celtics had their own versions of stuff.

The Vikings had, I think they were the berserkers or whatever with these dog features, wolf features. And then France had the werewolf trials back, and I believe the 1600s or the 1700s. I'm not sure of the exact time frame. I remember they were killing people like we did Salem Witch trials here in America. They were killing people in France for being werewolves. and then if you look at the grim fairy tales, and this is something I've just thought of recently.

The grim fairy tales always had a big bad wolf as a villain, like Little Red Riding Hood. There was the Big Bad Wolf. What did he do? Well, he went and ate Grandma and dressed up an impersonated person, and then ate Little Red Riding Hood. And then the three little pigs, he said, Little Pig, Little Pig, let me in.

Now, I don't remember where exactly I heard this at or I read it out or something, but I remember people say that these things talk to them sometimes telepathically, which I don't know about any of that. I didn't experience that. But they say that these dogmen creatures will look through a window at them and talk to them telepathically and say, let me in or come outside, something like that. But I thought it was strange when I heard one person say it said, let me in.

Now, if this is a big, flesh and blood, seven foot tall, werewolf looking dog man at your window, why would it ask you to let it in? Why wouldn't just burst through your window and eat you if that's what it was wanting? To me, it goes back to almost like vampire lore, but it also has like the demonic lore to it too, because you have to invite the demon in. So I don't know when it comes to these things. Like, again, I can have my own opinions and guesses, but at the end of the day, I don't, I don't have a clue. I just think it's strange that a lot of people think these things feed on fear, and maybe because I didn't show any type of fear, it didn't come after me.

Yeah, I think you're onto something. And I've often wondered the same thing. You know, Dog Man, Sasquatch, the black-eyed kids, they all kind of have the same MO. Sasquatch, for example, it'll come up, it'll harass people, it'll terrorize people, it'll bang on the door, it'll rattle the door handle, but it never comes in. And I've always wondered why, you know, because. of their size. They could just rip the door off and come right in, but they never do. Same thing

with Dogman. Dogman tend to focus more on one person, kind of more like a demon will. And same thing. I had a kid one time who took a shot at one. He thought it was a big wolf on his property. It was his grandfather's property. And he ended up running back home because this thing stood up on two legs. And every night, this thing would come up to his window and growl at him, tap on the window. You know, and this thing was huge. This thing could have easily had come in. Black-eyed kids, what do they always do?

You always hear the tales of they knock on the door, these little freaks show up, and they want to come in and use your phone. There seems to be like a weird set of rules with a lot of these cryptids. And I was just talking about this on last night's show. The dog man is definitely something people are running into. What it is, I don't know. I would have, I mean, what a freaky night, man. Everything that happened to you and what you saw, I would imagine it's kind of like a brain reset.

You know, I ask everyone on the show, Brandon, what do you think Sasquatch is? And I know your encounter isn't really related to Sasquatch. it doesn't seem like it anyway. But, you know, after listening to the show, I'm curious, what is your opinion? What do you think Sasquatch is? I've always thought that the possibility of them just being a flesh and blood creature would be normal because I know they found like a jawbone and some teeth of something called the gigantic antipithecus.

So if they had a 10-foot-tall primate, whatever, 100,000 years ago in China, why couldn't there be an offshoot of that still exist? but then when you start hearing the stuff about how they just vanish and the mind speak and things like that and then you start looking into these other cryptos like these dogmen or whatever I really start to wonder if some of these things aren't actually just from without putting my tinfoil hat on or whatever basically I don't know if they're from our planet in the sense of not alien in the sense from like another planet but like another dimension if that makes sense like a different reality and they bleed into our somehow.

Yeah, I understand the way you think. I mean, I often lean that way as well. You know, I really want it to be giganticus, but there's nothing about that that makes sense. And there's all this weird stuff in people's encounters to where there's nothing in the natural world that makes sense. You know, when you hear about glowing red eyes or this thing seemingly vanished or, you know, Even the simple thing, why can't we catch up with Sasquatch? Why is it when you chase Sasquatch, you feel like you're chasing a phantom?

It's something very physical. People are seeing something very physical. Trust me, when they growl or vocalize at you, it's very physical, and you fill it. Same thing with the dog man. You know, this topic reminds me of the, kind of like the UFO topic. I know that's not the right term. the UAVs or whatever the hell they're calling them now. You know I'm talking about, though, the UFOs that people are seeing.

I remember back in the 80s, when people, these guys that research these witnesses or researched, you know, examined evidence or all this other stuff, they would always say these are entities coming from another galaxy. Somewhere far, far away, what's weird now is when you talk to most UFO and investigators or whatever they call themselves, they will say they're coming from here. They're absolutely coming from here. It's within, you know, I know the word dimension gets thrown around a lot, but it's actually a real thing. I know Einstein with math proved there was, there's more than 10 dimensions, but they start

falling apart after 10 dimensions. It's not as stable after 10. But it makes you stop and go, why is there all these different dimensions? And what lives in those dimensions? And what the world's going on? Why are we seeing all this weird stuff today? And I wish I had a great answer for you and going, oh, well, you saw this. But in a lot of this stuff, it doesn't make sense.

Even Sasquatch. Sasquatch encounters don't make sense. I understand why they're skeptics. And I understand why people go up. oh, come on. But when you see it, trust me, you'll have a different opinion. It's an amazing account, Brandon. And I know it's a very different type of encounter.

And I really appreciate you coming on and sharing what happened to you. I appreciate you having a platform for people to come on here and share their experiences with you. There's a stigma when it comes to people who have encounters. And it's really hard for someone that doesn't want to believe in it to. actually come forward with something. So I understand the hesitation from a lot of people because, again, I've listened to your show for almost four years now. And when I first heard it, I was like, man, I literally like to talk about that. What happened? But I didn't want to because I didn't want to deal with the ridicule that people have. Just because the one time I've actually tried to talk about

it, people laughed. So I was like, well, I'm just not going to talk about that anymore. So I I definitely appreciate you having a platform for people like myself to come on and share their experiences. Appreciate the kind of words. Thanks again, Brandon. And Brandon asked me not to talk about this because he didn't want, you know, everyone to think this is why he came on the show. But about a year ago, he created a podcast called Tinfoil Tales. You can get it on any podcast player.

definitely go and check it out. Give them a nice review if you feel like it. But thank you again, Brandon. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out, Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

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