Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1018 Grandfather Was Feeding Them

Episode Date: December 30, 2023

Brian writes "I grew up on a property and looking back, it would seem my grandfather had habituated a group. Moving in on the land he sat us down to explain his "rules" of living there. I basically all boiled down yo 1 simple rule. Don't be on the property at night. In those days kids didn't question. I wouldn't have anyway since I had already witnessed to red eyes that I spent some time staring into from the window. Found out later that this seemed to be an epidemic among the other grade school kids on that side of the county. Although my parents did really well at trying to hide the truth from us and play things off this place was off the charts weird. Most friends I made only visited once and wouldn't come back. The feeling was tangible as soon as you turned to corner of the driveway. There has never been a moment that you felt comfortably alone in these woods. From the voices, the name calling, to the late night vocals. Rock throwing while night fishing, and pinecones on occasion while hunting. Missing pets, tree structures, random animal body parts, discarded carcasses, the occasional stolen deer from where it fell after hunt. Which is what led to my eventual encounter. The smells, the lights, all the things we know nothing about sasquatch. Anyways, as I said before, it's a lot to share. My encounter is something I've never shared considering the treatment I got for saying I've seen one. I've been bingeing your podcast since I found it. I've almost caught up with all the free shows. Hopefully after new year I'll be able to join. I had given up on actually hearing from you and being able to share, but the situation has recently changed. A couple of months ago my son was discharged from the Marines. He decided to return to my parents instead of my home. I moved away from home for work. Now my son is messaging me regarding the odd occurrences he's encountering."   Here is a link to Sarah McLeod YouTube Channel. Go subscribe and check out the song played tonight. Sarah gave me permission to play it and it is a same she only has like 2K YouTube subscriber's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb1OH1ahBXg&list=PL0sLO94JFopSmZSJjFLaBI3DmoEYN6xgV&index=116  

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? See them. Hello. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know.

Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-oh. This is the best podcast in the whole world. I'm Lily, and you're watching Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you.

We'll be chatting with Brian. And Brian comes to us from North Carolina, and he grew up on his grandfather's property. And, you know, after talking to Brian, so many things happened. It's hard to squeeze all this into an hour. But, you know, he told me, he goes, I think my grandfather was feeding these things. I mean, he had his own separate garden. He'd no one ever touched, but he would plant every year a little bit farther away from the home. And he grew up in a home where no one really talked about these weird things.

on the property. And all of this kind of leads up to his encounter. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. And I'm going to close out tonight with one of my favorite songs. It's a cover that I'm.

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I want to welcome Brian to the show. Brian, thanks for coming on. How you doing what? I'm doing well, man. I'm doing well. Thank you so much for asking. If you would, take me back. I know the property is in North Carolina, and it was your grandfather's property. We're going back to like the early 80s. Tell me about some of the weird things that went on on this property. Well, we first moved there when I was seven. This is the summer, I believe, of 84. And up until that point, my parents had rented homes while they built credit. and built the money to buy home.

And then my grandfather, when the time was right, sliced in my little section on the corner of the family farm. Before we started building, he wanted to meet with us and discuss the rules of living there. And so we all met one night, and basically all the rules bowled down to one main rule was, don't be on the property at night. Didn't really question it much.

Back then, we didn't question, you know, children are seeing and not heard. You know, so she just kept on with just glad to have a home, you know. So it never really was much and nothing. Other than that, his other rules don't hunt the deer, which, you know, I couldn't, it's his deer, his land. You can't really say no. So they start building the house and the deal my parents had, they had the builder actually put in the foundation and framed the house and dry it in. And we did everything else. We were there on the weekends doing the cheap rock, the flooring, you know, just saving money on all the interior works and the mechanics and stuff.

So the first night that we're there after dark, I walked towards the corner where the wind is. And there in the top pane of the window was this pair of red eyes. And it wasn't ice shine. It was, it was a glow. It was, you remember being the kid west, like going camping or something and playing. with the flashlight and shining through your hand or through your cheek and getting that red glow from the blood. Oh, yeah. We did that as kids.

It was that kind of glow. It's almost like there's some kind of photosynthesis where his blood's bringing light to his eyes, but his eyes are so big and there's so much blood flow, especially if he gets excited. That's what you're seeing. That's really what it looks like. I mean, it's just, it was strange, but I'm, you know, I'm six years old. I'm looking up and I'm seeing this, and it's halfway. of the top pane of the window, and it's six feet to the window seal. So whatever I'm seeing out here in the darkness is just massive.

And it's watching everything going on inside. It's kind of leaning in from the side. And I'm wasn't sure if I saw what I was seeing, so I kind of stepped over to make sure, and that's what it looked down. And me and whatever this was, that's all I saw with its eyes because it's pitch black outside. And we were just transfixed there for quite a while. After a few minutes, my mom calls for everybody because her and one of my aunts was getting some food ready for dinner.

So everybody takes off, I'm still standing here. My brother comes running there to grab me, so I finally turned and when I look back to when it's gone, and I'm like, did you not see that? Our brother's like, what? I'm like, those red eyes. So he gives me a hard time for weeks and weeks and months until we finally, until school finally starts. Now we're starting a new school, new county.

We don't know anybody. We're on the bus carrying along and about halfway through the ride. There's a girl sitting about two seats up from us. And I guess she wants to break the ice. She leans over the back of the seat and looks me and my brother and says, so, have you seen red eyes yet? My brother turns white. And I didn't really answer.

And he finally asked her. He's like, what are you talking about? She was like, red eyes. She's like, everybody sees him. He's out the one of these in the yard, you know, whatever's out there with the red eyes, have he seen it? And that carried on a conversation that throughout the first couple weeks of school, it's half the kids in school are seeing this thing and not knowing what it is.

There's just something in the woods at night. They're all seeing these red eyes. As far as the property goes, that was just. the start of all the crazy things. At first it's just weird noises and stuff. I mean, how the property's set up, and this is what makes me think that my grandfather knew more than he's letting on. The property is set up basically like an egg shape. And from long end to long, there's a creek runs right down the middle. The back side of the creek is all mature, uncut, that hard was. On the front side is the farmland and the homes. And I never understood why my

granddad never cleared all the land. He had 90 acres and only farm 20, you know, and he struggled. But you know, he had all he wanted. His house was paid for, the land was paid for. He had all he wanted. He lived exactly the way he wanted to. And I wish we all know what that felt like. But like I said, he had these weird wolves. You know, don't. hunt the deer and I'm only asking why can't we hunt the deer his response because there's things in these woods that eat the deer and if you shoot the deer then they'll have to look elsewhere for other things to eat do you understand i was like you mean like bear he was like yeah yeah bear but you know you got to think this is the early 80s in the bible built

and around that time dan rather was on tv and it had been the first big surge of everybody they decided they're wanting their first research Bigfoot, so it made the news. And when Dan rather named him the possible missing links, well, that made Bigfoot the devil. So that literature that all the other kids around the country was seeing that was on the shelf last week in the library, suddenly wasn't available anymore. So what we knew about the Bigfoot was whatever rumor you would hear, whatever, you know, a little bit of a Patterson Gimlin film you may have seen. Anyway, the property, like I said, it was all hardwoods and what little bit of farmland there was, but right in the middle on that creek, surrounded by all these poplars and maples and oaks, there's an acre and a half square of evergreens. And they are thick. And like I said, it is a square.

It's planted. Someone put it in there in rows. And these things are in there so tight, you can't see 10 foot into this thing. and they'd been there longer than I've been alive. I mean, the pine needles on the ground beneath them is probably a couple foot thick at this point. But you can't see 10 foot in here. The sunlight has not seen the ground in this spot in many decades. Now, like I said, this thing is completely just out of place.

It's just a big round farm full of oak trees and right in the middle is this little square. But nothing but these real close together. Evergreens. Well, right in front of that was a small field. And right behind that was a little bit of wetland. And every year, my grandfather put a huge garden in front of those that stand of trees. And he always put the corn to the outside so you couldn't see the rest of the garden. But then 300 yards up to hill at his house, he put a small garden for itself.

And I always questioned, why are you putting in this huge garden down here? He's like, and he would always say it was a community. garden. There was never any community to come and use that garden. I mean, I've never seen anyone anywhere down there. And in matter of fact, everybody had their own gardens. We lived in a farming community. You know, it was the surrounding area. We were literally surrounded by farms. It's about a 15 square mile area, but it's from road to road with its farm surrounding us. The only way to get to us is to go through somebody else's farm. So you're not sneaking through there and nobody knowing it. But it was always just those little things, you know, stuff like that.

I had two cousins on the farm as well. It was two other boys. They were the same age as me and my brother. So we got in about everything at every time, stayed in trouble out there. But there was a time my cousins when they were about eight or nine decided they wanted to go camping. Well, they took a couple of blankets from their bedrooms and went out straight back to the that creek right beside that stand of evergreens. And they tied those two blankets up like a teepee into a tree lambs and they were going to go camping. My uncle said it wasn't an hour before they were tearing the door off the hinges to get back in the house. And all they could say was something big, something black and something loud.

That's been nearly 40 years ago. They never went back in those woods, ever. And they would never say anything about it. But everybody assumed, you know, it was maybe a bear or everybody, even back then, they always talked about the big black cats. You know, the old folks won't really talk much about the wood boogers because they're the devil. But they'll talk about the black cats, you know, even though, you know, wildlife says we don't have them, but no one told cats. Yeah, I think it's interesting that your grandfather had that separate garden. And you'll hear a lot of people on the country do that.

and the answer I've gotten for most people that do this is so that they'll leave your garden alone. I know your grandfather had the rule of no one out there after dark, but did your cousins, like, sneak out? No, no, no, no. This was their dad was letting him. It was within view of the house. It was just inside the woods. And they literally didn't last out there an hour. You know, their dad decided, cool, we'll let you go camping.

If you want to go camping, we'll just take you right out here, you know. And that was it. They didn't. They never went back in the woods again. But there was always so much weird stuff, man. You'd be in the yard and you would always be here like the murmuring back and forth. You'd hear voices, but you could never make out the words. We would always, you know, say it was Dutch or Yiddish, you know, just picking each other.

But my parents were always like, you're just hearing your granddad and your grandma. But I believe my parents knew. a lot more than what they were willing to let us know. Yeah, what makes you feel that way? I mean, did they grow up on this property as well? Well, my dad did. Actually, the property, I was fourth or fifth generation on this property. So I grew up there.

My dad grew up there. His dad grew up there. And so on and so on. You know, we've been there like, I understand nearly 150 years. So they've got the number of the number of years. more than they do, but both my dad and my granddad, they live by the motto of the man that speaks the least, gets heard the most, and they literally live by that. You know, and at the same time, they believed that children were seen and not heard, and they

were quick to enforce it. So as a young child, you had to learn quick to read a room, and you just didn't question and you just took what they said and moved on, you know. So, like, for instance, when you're out in the yard and you hear something calling your name from the woods using your mother's voice, but you're looking at your mother sitting on the porch. And her response is not to, you know, she doesn't deny it. It doesn't give me a chance to ask it. She just says, that must be the devil after you. You should get right with God.

You know, we would go night fishing like with me and my dad would be out on the boat. And there, these rocks would be coming in to the pond. My dad would be like, boy, beaver's busy. Well, the beavers on the other side of the farm where the beaver pond is at, he's not in this still water. There's never been a beaver in his pond. And like I said, we were four boys growing up on this farm. I know exactly what a rock sounds like hitting that water. With a beaver, you're going to hear the tail slap and then the, you know, then the kutong.

This was just tombstone size coming in the pond. And after four or five, but, you know, dad would be like, oh, they're not going to bite at all. that noise and he would leave. But he was always really nervous about stuff and what's more is my dad's got this really, really irrational fear about, you know, like the uncanny effect. Anything in a mask freaks him out. I really think when he was younger, he saw something through the window that just really affected him in a horrible way. But he won't talk about that stuff. You don't, you don't bring it up and, you know, it just, it's just not talk about it. It's just understood something's out there and it's that. There was constantly, you know, sounding like somebody beating with a hammer in the woods. Back then, we didn't know what wood knocks were. But like I said, the woods there were probably 15 square miles or nobody. You know, everybody lived at the road and the farm was behind them.

And then, you know, there were the other farms about here. But there was nobody in these woods. And especially, like I said, the sound in these woods didn't travel. So at nights when you're hearing like the whoops or the hollers coming over the trees, that's not some redneck party. For one, there aren't any in these woods doing that because we know everybody that owns these areas and how do you get in and out of these. There's nobody back there.

You know, there's always an excuse or somebody must be doing this or my mom would be like, oh, Ted must be doing that. He lives the other direction, mama. You don't know these woods. You know, we had to get her a bullhorn so she could blow just so we could hear her on the farm to come to the house. And she didn't even put two to two together that we're not hearing my granddad talking. Because my grandma, they never raised their voice. It didn't have to.

If you as a grandchild got them to the point they had to raise their voice, they were rained at her hand first. So you learn better next time. But it didn't happen. And what's more, my granddad, the only. time he got kind of loud as when he was singing in the choir on Sundays and he sang second tenor. He's not the baritone that I'm hearing coming out of these woods. But over time, it's just always constantly just weird, weird stuff happening. There's, you know, for a long spill, it seemed like every night it sounded like one giant tree was following in the same

spot in these woods every night right near the house. But you never hear hit the ground. But it was constant. You would hear it sound like a big giant tree just falling, never hit the ground, and you would never, never find a tree. Sometimes things be missing, weird stuff moved. Just the smells, I mean, it was almost like a grid pattern in the yard, like people say you could walk into it and walk out of it. And that was the strangest thing to me because it just, you know, I understand that you can turn it off and on, but how do you project it? in a straight life. I mean, I understand throwing your voice, but how do you throw us a mail? That's, that just blows me away. But, you know, the years went by, just got to the point, you know, we would have friends come by

and they, they would visit and be like, I'm not coming back here. You want to hang out. You come to my place or I'll come pick you up. We're not hanging here. Because it was to get to our property, you had to, off the road, you had to take somebody else's driveway. And it crossed this pond dam through the woods. and then you made a 90 degree turn, and you see the house for about another eighth of a mile down.

But as soon as you made that turn, you could feel it. I mean, everybody was just uncomfortable. You could just eyes on you constantly. I have never been on this property and comfortably felt over, ever. But, you know, in researching the property and knowing the history, at the same time, we talk, get up to a little paranormal because, There's one spot on this property on the back side, on the other side of the water. It's up on a hill and it's a rocky hill up there.

Nothing will grow there. And it's just a big outcropping of Flint. And if I could get you there, I could show you the grindstone. There was a small band of Tuscarora and Indians that lived right there. So we always just, we didn't go back there whenever you did. You felt like you didn't have permission. You know what I mean? And so we just left it alone, kind of gave it its respect, let it be.

And but the whole place just felt off, man. I mean, just got off. And it's always been that way. Yeah, I can imagine, you know, growing up on a property and having all this land to run around on. But at the same time, you feel like you're being watched. It's creepy. I know your grandfather, he talked about the lights. and I think you had seen him.

Tell me about that. That's the one thing that my granddad would be honest about that night he met with. It's because my mom did question a little bit, so she finally noticed the look that my dad was given her. I assume he talked to her later. But she did get my grandfather to mention the likes. And all he said is all he knew was there were blue lights that would come out of the field right around the woods. And he just didn't know what they were, didn't feel that they were good. didn't want us around them.

And that was it. I have been out there on a couple of times. That was what I called my curfew. I've seen them form a few times and come out of the field, out of the ground. But what I've seen versus what you guys are describing is a bit different, because you guys are talking like definite shapes and a little bit of a body to it. these are more like like well i mean when i see them it's still gray out the sun's just going down and they're coming out of the ground and moving around and you're just like the light blue

it's almost they don't it's like they haven't fully formed yet you know what i mean no not really or when you say it hasn't fully formed yet i'm not sure what you mean what was it you were seeing it's it's like a circle but you say like you see a or but it's like not putting it's like not putting off ambient light, but it's a light. This is what I'm seeing, but again, North Carolina with the humidity there, believe it or not, I've been all over the country, and I can tell you this, for some reason, light does not travel in North Carolina. The air swallows it up.

I don't know if it's the weight of the water or what, but your flashlight will not do half as well in North Carolina as it does in 99% of the rest of the country. But I'll just go ahead and explain it when. When it first happens, and what I think, well, I'll get to what I think they are in a minute, but what I always saw happen is, is that would be out there like in the tree stand or something, and I'd be late. You would see like a soft, like just color out of the ground, and you would see like almost like a tentacle would whip up and a light would flip off of it like a, like a lava lamp and then the tentacle would back down. And then there'd be another and it would be slow and the thought, but it was almost like a, a, almost like it was structured smoke, but just had color. It wasn't like a real bright light.

And as the light got further from the spot and deeper in the woods and got darker, it would, yeah, get a little brighter. But I've never seen them get to what you guys are describing. But I mean, I have a theory of what I think they are. That's only because I know this land and how it's made up. Like I said, the whole place is a giant aquifer. That particular spot is surrounded on three sides by running water. And the ground is chock full of quartz.

So I think with all that energy, and we know, supposedly all this stuff adds to energy, right? But energy can't be destroyed, only displaced. So I think during the day, that area builds up energy, but when the sun goes down and things start to cool off, it's got to let go of some of it and it just shows up as light. because honestly I've kind of watched a little bit and I hadn't followed, but the ones there are just kind of, they kind of just meander down the path, least resistance until they get toward the water and that's kind of where they stay, unless there's something that attracts some that maybe put off energy that I think they're just looking for another source of energy

to join. So I believe that's what folklore would call the elven lights, because, you know, the folklore, the elves would tell your children will and drown them. If your child gets away from you must follow this light through the woods downhill to the water, you just lost your child. So I really think that's folklore, that's what it would be, is the elven light. But we just always call them spirit lights or whatever, we just didn't talk about them. Because they form, the ones I've seen, they formed up hill, they swirl around a little bit and then just gradually work their way downhill to the water. And that's it.

Yeah, that's interesting. I know the Native Americans used to call them water spirits. And being out in North Carolina, I would imagine the precipitation and dew point is much higher. I just know that from doing grass from working on my lawn. But I can imagine how that would reflect the light a little bit different. So you think it's something more natural is what you were seeing? I think that's something more natural. I really do, especially with it being such a, you know, a widespread phenomenon.

Because honestly, you have no idea how elated I was to hear you bring it up. I really needed to talk to you, especially with the situation changing as it is. Because, you know, I've moved away, but currently my son is out of the Marines. And he went back home to my parents for a better start being near Rale. You know, he's got a better opportunity in here in Roto. And the influence here wasn't something he wanted to be a part of. And he's kind of on his own spiritual journey. So he went back there.

And now he's messaging me about the things because he got him a job as fast food manager. And so he's closing at nights and getting home late. And suddenly he's seeing these things in the woods and he's questioning, like he sent me a message the other night. He's like, I saw these things in the woods. And I was like, right? He said, and they hoot at me. He said, what do you mean they hood at me? He said, like an owl.

He said, but it wasn't right. So I used your line. I was like, do you mean an 800 pound owl? He was like, yeah, yeah. He's like, he said, that's where I hear drums, which, you know, that's this. There's just been so much weird stuff on this property. And some of it, you know, I might talk up to, again, it might have been paranormal. But a lot of it, looking back, was just we had no idea that there was a human-like creature in the woods.

What is it that your son said he was seeing on the property? I mean, has he seen the red eyes yet? No, he hasn't. He's just seen some rather large shadows moving. He said he saw a couple of them that were huge, and they had some smaller with them that moved, like monkeys. And I was like, okay, and I really told him what he's looking at. But that's why I wanted to do this in hopes that, you know, this would be one of the free services of my kids could hear it that way, because I know my family is not going to let me tell the story without argument, without interruption. And I just really want my kids to have the benefit of no one, you know, this is what you're dealing with. We continue to grow up and there was just all kinds of weird stuff. I mean, it wasn't constant, but it was just, just enough where it was always noticed.

Like there's always something. There's, you know, just the banging in the, in the woods that, you know, sounds like somebody's better beating on something on the hammer in the middle of the woods at 10 o'clock or not.

There was always a whoop, but it doesn't sound like the whoops there don't sound the same as the ones I'm hearing on your, your audience. And I don't know if whether or not they've just learned to imitate the rednecks, and leave off of that extra syllable, you know, because like when you listen to all the

it's like, whoop, well, here it's just a whoop. And three seconds later from a half a mile away, you hear another one. And I was always in those woods. But it got to the point where I started finding weird stuff. You know, I was, I didn't ever go that deep into the woods because every time I did, I'd run across something that made me think this is, you know, like little structures. But at the time, I didn't know anything about tree structure. I assumed it was like, you know, my cousins back here playing maybe. They got back in the woods or my uncle doing something weird because you do the weird stuff. Or, you know, God knows what.

The only time I ever really, really, really questioned was one day when I went in the woods. And there's a six foot cedar stump. And it's root ball and all. And it's sticking up out of the ground. I mean, something is taking this thing, ripped it out of the ground, and jammed it in. And that froze me, man. But, you know, at the same time, I was like, maybe I haven't paid attention or just before. This could have been from a hurricane because we had a lot of those, you know.

I always found a way myself to, I didn't have any way to explain it. So I just talked myself out of thinking about it. But it's just the types of things. Over time, it got to the point where we was starting to find small carpets. and it got to be commonplace every day where you would find these carcasses. It would be a squirrel or a rabbit, you know, something small, but you would only find from the shoulders forward, the cavity would be in the everything from the rib's back was gone.

Every time just ripped or bit cleanly in half, no blood, no nothing, and just half an animal. It's like something is literally using them for Snickers bars and tossing the draper kind of deal. But over time, it got to the point where we saw no small game whatsoever. Time goes by. There was one time when I was about 14, and I swear by this because it couldn't have been nothing else. We had left the house, and we had gone, I forget what we had went, but we had one direction and didn't have to go to the other.

You know what I mean? He had two or three places to go. So we went to the first place and was working all the way back around the house, but we went on the back side of the, like I said, it's like a 15 square mile country block there. We're on the other side of the block from the property. And there's a little intersection right there where it's just flat. The road, the ditch in the woods, it's all straight line there. I mean, you could literally roll a marble across it. It's just flat.

It's about 10, 12 feet to the woods from the shoulder. My dad's making this turn and back then my, like I said, him and mom, you know, when we were in the car, she was hard to tune out. She was going to get her what she said in. So when we got in the car, my brother looked out the driver's side and stared at traffic. And I looked out the passenger side and stared at the woods and just let them have at it. So we just made this turn and I'm staring out in the woods and I see it come out. It looks like a chimpanzee. It's about knee-high. And it's, leading with his right shoulder. I can see it's got that that picture perfect stance of a chimp in motion. You know, they got head down, shoulder forward running. The only difference is I couldn't tell exactly what it was because it was solid black. You know, a chance that they have that face that's a different color. You can notice that this thing was a solid black. But it literally came out like a lightning bolt and so fast it rolled, slapped the side of the car and rolled back into the of them. Now, I see it. I saw it do this. I'm speechless. My dad goes to stop. He said, what the hell was that? You know? And he looked at me because he knows I'm watching and I said,

you're going to be mad at me if I tell you the truth. He said, what was it? I said, it looked like a chimpanzee. And he just looked at me in the mirror. And I could tell he was deciding to make up his mind and he started changing gears. He got about three miles down the road as quick as he could to the first little store we got to and then he checked the damage, you know, it was a little end up having to pull the den out with a with a plunger. But that, you know, this is the type of thing where this was always happening, just weird little shit that you just can't tell anybody. You know, you can't tell anybody, hey, had a chint ran out and hit the car while the other day. Yeah, very weird.

So this little thing comes out. It looks like a chimpanzee and it slaps a car. Did your dad actually hit it? Well, no. it came out and slapped the side of the car, almost like it was playing a game. It moved so fast. I just did barely make out the shape of it and how it was moving.

And my mind's thinking, I'm not seeing what I'm seeing, and it's already back in the woods. So I don't know whether that's just how their kids play, whether they like do truth or dare kind of shit, but I don't know. But that's literally what happened. Yeah, and I know there's a major incident that we're going to talk about.

about with you running into this creature, but up until this point, is this the only time someone has seen the creature? At this point, that's the only time I'd seen anything like this. I mean, there's, you know, there was always, you know, in your peripheral, there's always like little shadows, and especially off in the distance, if you're off in the field, if you're looking in the woods, you see just full-blown colors moving from tree to tree. It'd be like black or silver, just a quick flash. and but that's it

and you never you never actually laid eyes on anything there was never actually anything that gave you and you know we didn't have any clue what all this was we didn't have any of the knowledge that they have you know and

thinking it was so paranormal to begin with you just kind of try to ignore it and you know hate that it was like that yeah when you when you and your dad made eye contact in the mirror. Do you think he knew what it was,

or was it just a look of like, we're getting the hell out of here? That was the we're getting the hell out of here. He never said anything to me about it. He just literally, he gave it the gas. We got out of there. When we got down the road to the store, he got out and checked the damage.

Yeah, it makes me wonder what was going through your dad's mind at that moment. If he kind of knew what it was, obviously he must have known. Was there another time that you had seen the creature? Well, there really wasn't up until I had the actual encounter. There was never really any definite, you know, answers to anything as far as all the weird crap. And like when I went in the military, when I was 18, my grandfather passed.

We start hunting, and the quality of the deer is horrible because he's never, he's never to anybody hunting. And so once the bad genetics get in there, it's just, you know, they just stay. So I start culling out the deer for a couple of years because it just, you can't get any good quality. And I'm going deeper in. So I just pick a spot at the top of one of the knolls and I would hunt it and I could see halfway up the ones beside me, but the tree canopy, you know, covered much and everything. And I prefer a shotgun. So that was fine with me. I'm in the bush.

I got a bush gun. But I would always see weird stuff. Like I'd be sitting out there. And like I recall, the last couple times I went out there and was doing it, I went out and I sat on a stump. And I was there about an hour or two. And I looked in my right and I noticed that where there hadn't been at before, behind us. small tree, a tree looked about eight inches wide. There's this big black shape standing behind the tree and it's kind of side to side.

But that's all I can see is like, you know, the first two to three foot off the ground because of the canopy and the covers. I think there's a bear scratching his back. Well, I don't agree with bear hunting. I really don't. So, and I know they travel. I like, you know what, I'm just going to call on the day. I'll give this up to his day in the woods and I'll I'll come back tomorrow. And that's really what I thought was, you know, as I had a treat,

because, you know, that we have bear there, but seeing one is like seeing the Sasquots. And I think it's been about two years ago, it was finally the first person ever to actually take a bear hunting. And it was only about 185 pounds. And that's the first in the county's history. So, but I thought, you know, maybe I got lucky I saw bear. So I go back here. So I go back again in a day or so. And I try to the same spot, and I'm there, and everything's fine, and I'm there for a couple of hours. I'm waiting.

And I look over and again in that same spot, I see the same thing. And I'm thinking, what hell is going on? I know that bear is not back here at the same spot. I just kind of keep my eye on it, and stay quiet and stay wary. A minute or two later, you know, it's to my right, up to the left, and it sounds like it's about 25 or 30 yards, this squirrel just starts raising the hill. I mean, and it's, this squirrel sounds like he's fighting the army of whatever it is he's after. I mean, he is beating up the brush.

He is raising all kinds of cane. It's the loudest squirrel I've ever heard. But it just keeps going. It just keeps going, keeps going, keeps going, keeps going. And, you know, squirrels don't do that. They'll fuss you out and move on or, you know, something happens. And it gets to the point where the sound, it's making in the leaves, whatever it is, it's moved the leaves around.

So now I hear it hitting the ground. It sounds like somebody's literally a little bit of slapping their hand around making the squirrel sound. It just keeps going and keeps going and keeps going and keeps going, almost like a predator call, you know, it just don't stop. So it's about to drive me nuts, you know, and I'm looking back and forth and I'm trying to move, you know, moving around, trying to see what I can spot because this is just annoying. When I look back, I realize that big black thing is suddenly at a different tree closer. So it's time to get out of the woods because I have no clue what the hell is going on.

You know, these woods freak me out anyway because like I said, I've never felt comfortable in them, but they're home. It just you get used to a certain level of comfort, you know. I guess at a point where I quit going deep into the woods. And to be honest, the family was beginning to divide the property amongst everybody. since grandfather had passed. So I know that wasn't going to be ours anyway, so I didn't mind. Well, hey, I'm not going over there again. You know, that's y'all's problem.

And so we were hunting. Me and my dad were both hunting, and he would hunt at the evenings out of hunt the mornings. And sometimes we'd switch up. Well, we hunted just one field, is a huge field. It's shaped like a cowboy boot. And the way everybody's property is and deer following the past least resistance, it literally, they all funneled through that field anyway every day. you sit there and see every deer in the neighborhood.

So I'm calling deer. Dad's just, you know, getting meat for the freezer. We're not trophy hunters. We're literally trying to save money and feed kids. It got to a point where we would lose deer. Like we would shoot it and you know it would go down. You go in and you would find where it lay down and find the blood and know that it didn't get up because you would see the blood know this thing didn't get up, but you wouldn't find the deer.

The strangest thing about that, That is one time, it happened about three times, but there was one time it happened and I still, it weirds me out. We went in because I shot the deer, I know he went down, and we're close to the house where we hunt. You know, it's all on the same property. So I know he went down. He's not going anywhere. I go to grab some help in the truck and some lights. We come back to the field and we had hit in the woods.

We followed a trail and we find where it went down. And I mean, you see the blood, you see the bubbles in it. It was a good shot. This deer didn't go anywhere. We're trying to find it. And I hear something. And I peek around this tree, and there's this little female beagle. And she is curled up in the tightest box.

She's scared to death. But at the same time, she's so happy to hear human voices that you've never seen a dog beside herself. She has peed all over herself. This dog's scared to death. and he's right there where this deer was supposed to be. So I know this deer didn't get up. This dog's got a hunting collar on.

It's not running the deer. That deer didn't get up because something has left this dog here. And it's scared to death. I mean, it would not move. We had to pick it up. I get it back home and I check his collar. The guy that on us the dog's two counties away. I mean, he's a good hour and a half, hard driving.

How the hell did that dog get there? And you could tell if she hadn't, she won't be ran. She hadn't been running those hundred miles. You know what I mean? Something put that dog there and took the deer. I mean, that is weird to me out ever since. But it was just weird stuff, man. But finally, it calmed down.

Like I said, I was culling out first because my dad really wanted to get some quality of He's getting older and I understand he's always wanted to get a good quality book. So I'm going out here just taking out the bad genes while he's hunting. And I've gotten three or four and I've noticed all the ones that I'm getting are all pretty much the same. The books, they've all got a little crab call on the right and a little straight spike on the left and they've got a deformity in their right foot. Which actually upsets me because I've been seeing a track for three years of this one deer with the right foot deformity that is massive. I've never seen the deer, but I can lay a dollar bill in his prints in his tracks. This is a big, big deer.

So I'm upset about the fact that he's not what I thought he was going to be. I thought he was going to be my trophy, but he's just going to have to be taken down because he's the one that's spreading the bad jeans. So I've been actively hunting for this thing. And finally one night, he came out and I happened to be hunting that night. And I'll wait and I wait and I wait and I wait because he comes. comes out way off in the distance. And I want this deer.

I don't want to take a bad shot. And he's big. But I can see him, you know, like I said, he's huge, but he's got that little crab call on the right, and he's got about a two foot spike on the front on the left. So nothing's coming in here to fight this thing because he's just going to gore anything. So he's king of the hill and spreading bad jeans. I got to get this deer. And this first time I've seen him three years.

So he finally gets within range and it's right at the end of dark. And I hate taking shots like that, but I don't know if I'll ever see this thing again. So I'd take the shot. Well, it spins him around. He takes off for the woods. And I got him one more time before he got in. He goes to jump into the woods and I tabletopped him. And I hit him with that 270 and he went in sideways. I heard him hit the ground. But his bag bastard got it and took off. So I'm counting the footfalls. I see I see who goes in and I hear him turn to the and head down that hill and I count seven, eight, nine, he drops and slides. I'm like, all right, he's within 50 yards.

But he's already got up once, and he's big, and I want him bad. I want him off the property. I go out, I find him, I see his tracks. He's the one I've been looking for, and I find the blood. Okay, it's going to freeze that night. I'm waiting some morning. I'll come back in. I want him to later and bleed out in peace.

That's what I do. I go home. I come back in the morning. Now, this is a beautiful, beautiful morning. I mean, it's right, just that brisk, not quite freezes, but not, you're just that perfect temperature. And there's no sound whatsoever. It's just everything is crisp. All the thing you can hear is just the ice crack on the leaves.

This is the best time of the day, you know, when it's gray. And the sun's about to come up, which does me good because I know where that deer went down that particular area is that's where the wetlands start. So first thing in the morning, the wetlands don't, there's no foliage in the trees. So the sun is flooding that area. You get sunlight in that area for about an hour and then the rest of the day it's in the dark. And I know about where he's at, but I know it gets thick down in there. And I know I can go around and find another way in, but experience, if you've been, and I'm sure your group experience tells you always follow the blood. I don't give a damn if you think you know

where it's at. If you don't follow the blood, you're wasting time because you're still going to have to come back and follow it to find it. It just works that way. So the blood trail right there at the edge of the field, it's a about a 10 to 12 yard stretch of just rye and bramble. I mean, It's honeysuckle, blackberry, anything you can think of. It's all grown and weaved in together. It's about six foot tall. And where the deer have been going in and out, there's this little trailway that they use.

It's about three foot tall, about two foot wide. Well, I'm six foot and 220, and I've got a shotgun. So I'm literally down doing the duck walk slash crab walk trying to get through this thing without getting tangled up because it's the worst thing to get tangled in this stuff because it just gets worse and worse. Every time you try to get out in one spot, you're tangled another. It just makes for a bad day in the woods. And my gum barrel happens to snag one of those Blackberry briars. And it snaps off with that cold.

And just as soon as it snaps, there comes this sound. I mean, it's stampeding up the hill. I mean, I've never heard anything like this in my life. It's just almost the woods itself up in its mouth. Like I say, I'm down here. I'm on my toes sitting on my feet, trying to squeeze my big ass with this hole. And this sound is literally beating over the top of my back. I mean, it's tickling the bottom of my feet.

It's thing. There's something growling. And I mean, it's not like, no, look at your bug and hey, did you hear a growling? This is an impossible. sound. You know, it reminded me of being back on post when the Blackhawks are flying low and there's two and three in formation, you know, they'll kind of sink up, it'll get that, do-do-d-d-th-thub. That's literally what it was doing through me. It was like a timpony drum. And it lasts, like I said, 12 or 15 seconds, and I am absolutely frozen. But I'm like, I am literally in a bad situation. I'm down here, left-hand-on yellow, you know what I'm saying? I'm twisted up in these things. trying to hold a shotgun with my back to whatever this is. And as soon as this stops growling, I hear the first step, and this thing is stomping. Just doosh, doosh, and every step is covering more feet than I care to even though.

And it's getting close, and all I can think is everything in the woods knows the sound of that shotgun. So I turned the gun with the ejection port down and I cup it with my hand and I hit the slide. And I racked that thing hard and I eject that shell back into my hand and feed it right back in the tube. So here I'm sitting. I've got one in the chamber, five in the tube. When I look up, I'm in the shadow of what can only be described as the shadow of X-Men's Chuggina.

And I hear him take that half step where he brings his back foot forward and I can see him. He squares off and I can see his fingers in the shadow. He flexes his hands. And then comes the second noise. It's not a growl. Like the first one, this is more of a disgruntled grumble. I'm not Sandy had mine speak. This thing, it's not hard to infer intent.

This was, why don't you put down the gun and face me like a man, grumble. You know, I'm in a bad spot. And I don't think it knows what to do either. It knows I have the gun, but like I said, I'm bent down in this thing. The gun's in front of me and under me. So all he sees is my back. And I am not going to look at this thing because, one, I've always had an issue kind of with my hearing a little bit. So I've trained myself as I'm young to to read lips, watch people's faces.

That's how I get what I need from it. And not only that, but as human beings, that's how we connect. You know, we look in people's faces, and I know you're not supposed to look into an ape's face. But more than that, it's just an irrational thing of this thing is called my name for 25 years. If I look at it and it speaks my name and recognition, I don't care what it's taken. I'm taking this thing with me to hell today. So I can't look at this thing. I really can't.

And I can't even breathe. But I can hear it breathing these big deep, wrespy breaths. You don't know what to do anymore than I do. So I breathe out real deep and I matched my breath that he is because, he's taken in massive amounts of air. So I'm taking in these big, long breaths matching him. And it seems to be calming him down. I know it's calming me.

Finally, I'm able to swallow my heart back down into my chest, and I find my voice. And I start talking. I said, look here, Haas. I said, I apologize. You're right. I, help us. You're ditching them without asking. I said, but I didn't know you were here.

So we're just going to have to both be a fault on that. So we seem to be in a bad situation. I want to leave and you want to keep your deer and I want to let you have it. So what I'm going to do, I'm going to take my hand and I took my hand and I held it out away from the gun. So I'm put it down and I was steadily talking to him as this is what I'm doing. I'm taking my leg. I was literally telling this thing what I'm doing as I'm doing it and I can see his shadow. He lowers his shoulders and he kind of cocks his head and lifts it up a little bit.

I don't know if he's more confused or what. He's just watching. But as I'm backing out, I see him. kind of backing out a little bit because I don't think he wanted that confrontation anymore and I did. I back out and I see it slowly backing out. When I get out and stand up, it's gone. So I count my blessings. I go home and I spent two days, man, I couldn't even speak to nobody. I just, just, just in a god-off way, man.

You know, and what's worse, I got back to my parents that morning when I came out of the woods and my dad is finally awake. And he's questioning where the deer is because he knows I shot twice. He knows there's a deer. You shot twice. There's a deer. Where's it in? And I'm like, no, he's not deck there.

He's like, no, no, let's go get it. You just don't want to find it. You lost the trail. And I'm like, no, there's nothing back there for you. It literally took me arguing with my dad to not go back there at that moment. But I still, I still questioned it. I had to go back. I wanted to see the carcass.

I wanted to see the damage. And it took two days. I went back where it should have been. And I found the spot. I see the blood stains. And there by the tree is this deer's head, ripped it clean off. And I went to hit it with my foot and hit it across the skull. And it's so bad, the bones are so broken up that it sounded like a bag of marbles. Um, so I left it. That let me know why they're never going to leave there, man. Um, he thinks that's what I wanted of that deer. It's terrifying, Brian. I don't know.

know that I would have handled that pressure as well as you did. I probably would have done something stupid like spun around and shot. But he's at your back. You're actually kneeling down. And over the top of you, you're seeing the shadow. That's kind of what I understand is what you're saying. And anyone who's ever seen X-Men, or if you haven't, go Google X-Men juggernaut. He's this big, huge, bulking man, and he doesn't really have a neck. His head kind of sits right on his shoulders and I could see how you would liken that to, liken the same two juggernaut. Did you ever turn around and look at him?

No. Like I said, he was behind me and I was literally, I call it the tunnel of doom in the email. I was literally in this small little tunnel that the deer had made through these briars and whatnot and all these sticker bushes and stuff. I was literally trapped with this thing standing. me down in these in these briars and bushes and I couldn't move because I'm in such a small space and if I'd have moved out of been tangled and like I said I was it was I know it's an irrational thought but I knew if I looked at this thing and it spoke my name it was just going to

me the last day for both of us so I couldn't bring my stuff to do it man but I mean I'm looking at the shadow I see what it is I know what it is and it's it's this was me having to come to grips with my own complete insignificance, man. I mean, it's all that stuff that you thought was important before then, suddenly you understand Solomon better as all is vanity. It just nothing mattered anymore. I mean, it's, it's taken me a while to, uh, to get myself stable mentally again.

For a while, it really affected me in a way that, you know, I had a lot of questions. And looking back, it had a lot of anger, too, because I had questioned everything coming up. My parents could have been honest, you know, and I knew better than what my granddad was doing. You know, it's just looking back, it's kind of a betrayal, you know, because I spend a lot of time alone in these woods. Yeah, and I hope your son has a chance to hear this and has a moment where you guys can kind of have a private conversation. You don't, history repeats itself. You don't want him feeling the way you're feeling now. And that, you know, as far as it calling your name, you hear that many, by many, many eyewitnesses who have these things on their

property. I know on the Brown's property, they would call Sarah's name. They'd never call John's name, but they would always call Sarah's name. And I often wondered, is it because she was out there all the time? I know Jonathan would call for her when he got home from work. He would actually yell her name out. And I don't know if that's how they got her name. But either way, it's weird having your name called from the forest by something you don't know what it is. And I know on the Brown's property, it almost kind of sounded like a deaf person

trying to say Sarah or trying to yell Sarah. Well, my name being Brian and my mom being so Southern, they actually nailed it because whenever she would yell my name, she turned me into a salt water bath. She said, brang, brah, so they actually nailed it. But like I said, when I'm hearing it to my left and I'm looking to my right and seeing my mama, something's not right, you know. And I can't, there's no way I could remember every single thing, man. And it was just so much, you know, and for so many years that, and so much of what we just wrote off like we'll never explain it.

Just forget it. But, you know, listen to your podcast has been really, really helpful to me because so far at some point everything that I've seen or heard has been repeated on your podcast. It's a great relief. Yeah, I appreciate saying that, Brian. It helps when you feel kind of alone like this is only happening to me and then you hear other people talking about very similar encounters that happened to them. You don't feel so alone anymore. Can I ask you, when you were there and he's standing over your back, why do you think he didn't hurt you? Well, like I said, it knew I had the gun and I wasn't aggressive.

You know, I didn't, I don't think I did what it expected me to. When I started talking to it, like I said, I could see it kind of cocked its head. I think I confuse it. But I don't know that it knew what it was going to do. All it knows is it heard a sound and come stomping up the hill, and there I was with the shotgun. So I think we literally had an actual Mexican standoff, but I was just in a really, really bad spot, you know, down on the ground, trapped under there. And this thing is literally looming over me. And I don't know how big it was, but I know the one I saw 20 years before in the window was at least 9 feet.

Yeah, it makes me wonder if it thought you were a deer. And as it walked up, it realized you weren't and kind of took a defensive position. And the fact that you didn't really react, there was no reason to, you know, everyone gets to go home and live. You know, when you hear them growl, I hear you talk about that, that noise that you heard, you physically fill that growl. There's nothing like it. I didn't know it was possible. I mean, it was actually prehistoric, man. I mean, it's just, just, my God, I didn't know that was possible from any North American mammal.

Yeah, it's very hard to describe it. Prehistoric is pretty much spot on with the way I would describe it. You know, I ask everyone on the show, Brian, what do you think Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer because no one knows. But what do you think that these things are? I think it's a hominin. You know, it's just, it's an animal, but not like any other animal. When you tell people animal, they want to think along the lines of feline and canine and

swine and be bovine and equine, but it's not. This is a human-like animal. It's the closest thing to us. Yes, it has propensity for curiosity, but at the same time, I kind of admire its focus and discipline. because for something to spend that much time focused on stealth and being that camouflage and staying out of sight, there's got to be no way it's got time to think of anything else. You've been a hunter, you know what it takes. You can go out here and think you're the best, and you're going to get spotted.

These things, that's their focus, their drive. And that's their, you know, look at your podcasts along with. I mean, you've had authors, researchers. Your podcast has documented and archived hundreds of years of repetitive, instinctual behavior. These things aren't animal, but yes, they're highly intelligent. I know by what I've seen and, you know, in what people say with all the sway in and the arms motions and the flat faces and some of them having Down syndrome look, I know there's some orangutan in them. there might be some Saginaepithecus. I'm not going to say no.

Something I've been waiting to tell you, but I actually heard somebody said it showed the other day, humanity is synonymous for hubris. And we can't look past our own arrogance. You know, we can't give our self credit. Look at like monolithic structures. You know, they can't figure out how they were built. It's not that they can't figure it out. There's been 4,000 ways come up with that worked.

They just can't agree on what way is best because everyone. One wants to credit. They want their name on it. Just the same as all these Bigfoot researchers. They can't agree because they want credit. So obviously the aliens had to do it, right? That's the way we have learned to look at things. We're so arrogant.

You know, everybody's walking around saying, I'm the top of the food chain. None of them have had to come face to face with that moment of realization like, hey, dumbass, you're on the food chain. You're still on the food chain. that's a hard thing to come to grips with. And that's, that's, that's, that's what we're dealing with why it's so hard for everybody to understand because they're looking at it with tunnel vision. You know what I mean? Yeah, you bring up a good point, Brian. I mean, I think that is a percentage, you know, as far as why it hasn't come out for public consumption or why no one officially has

come out and said that these things are real. You know, I know it's hard to cram all of this into an hour. And I know there's a lot more that happened. And I'd love to have you back for a part too. I know it's not the easiest thing to come on the air and talk about your life and what you've seen. But I really appreciate it. And I appreciate you sharing kind of your family history and your own encounters. And thanks so much for coming on, Brian. I really enjoyed chatting with you. And I appreciate it. I really do. I really thank you for the opportunity to finally get this off my chest. I have never told anyone. Even my parents, they don't know what happened to me that day.

Well, I'm honored that you would come on here and share it. Thank you again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Happy New Year to everyone.

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