Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1020 The Exchange Student

Episode Date: January 6, 2024

Mike writes "After hearing many accounts from people who say they didn't know about Sasquatch at the time or simply didn't put two and two together after experiencing something out of the ordinary, I reflected on whether or not some of the unexplained events I experienced as a boy growing up rural might have best explained as a Sasquatch encounter." Spoke to Mike and he shared a strange set of nights involving a foreign exchange student being terrified by something coming up to his window. 

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Hi, this is Jada, and you're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Happy New Year, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Mike. And Mike comes to us from upstate New York, and we're going back to 95-96 time frame. Him and his family had just purchased this property

up there in the Catskills of Upstate New York. and had an exchange student come stay with them. And a lot of really weird events happened through several nights. I'll kind of have Mike go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Mike to the show. Mike, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, Wes. Appreciate it. Yeah, and if you would, Mike, kind of take me back to 1995-1996 timeframe. This takes place in upstate New York. And just start from the beginning, kind of walk us into the sequence of weird events that happened to you and your family. Yeah, I'd love to.

I think part of the reason for what I'm going to do. to reach out to you is, I'm sure like many people in your audience, the more accounts we listen to, the more memories come back from a time in life where things just sort of didn't add up. And then in retrospect, you realize, huh, I wonder if that might have been what I think it may have been. So for those who might not know New York, upstate New York, New York City obviously is a very densely populated area. But New York State is actually quite remote. A lot of wilderness area.

Once you leave New York City, I mean, you can really, you can go a long way without hitting a road. So where we had moved to, and this was in the spring of 95, was a place where we lived on the edge of very dense deciduous forest that if you had, if you went out of the house and into the woods, you could literally walk 15 or 20 miles without ever hitting a road. And I think that's probably surprisingly many people, but it's true. I know I sent you a map for you to look at.

Anyway, we had been living there from, we had moved from New York City and been living there for about a year at this point. And my parents decided that they wanted to. to get an exchange student. I don't know what their reasoning was. I think my father was just bored. Anyway, they had a young man come from Europe, and he was staying with us for the year,

and he was living in the downstairs portion of our house. Pardon me, I'm just trying to warm up here. I'm a little cold. Anyway, we lived in a house that... It's kind of like... It was like an alpine-style raised ranch sort of a home, you know, where you have windows that they're kind of by your knees on the outside, but inside, if you're downstairs, they're kind of by your head level, shoulder level. And then it's like a split. It's a raised ranch.

So then above that, you have windows that are, you know, 10 feet up, something like that. Anyway, not to get into too much detail, but we actually imagine this. We had moved from New York City. And now we lived in a house where our driveway was literally close to two-tenths of a mile long. I mean, I know that sounds maybe not too, too long, but it was quite long and steep. And we had the only neighbors that we could in the area were, you couldn't see them. They were through the woods, and they weren't even there. They're just houses that were like weekend rental houses or permanent sort of weekend homes.

And people almost were never there. And then you couldn't, so no cars could actually come into the area without us hearing them. We're seeing the headlights. It's so quiet at night. You can hear a car coming from over a mile away easily, even when you're inside. And you can see the headlights. So one night, I was 12 years old at this time. I was laying in my bed.

It was 8.30 or 9 o'clock at night. Lights are on. You know, we weren't going to bed or anything. The house was still somewhat active. My father wasn't home. He was away for work. It was just my mother, my sister, me, and the exchange student downstairs. He was about 18 at the time.

I was laying in bed, and I heard the sound of a car. hard door slam, which I, which surprised me because I didn't hear a car coming up the driveway, which was nor, I mean, there was no Teslas at the time or any electric car. We would hear any car coming. And it didn't see any headlights coming. But the outside floodlight had come on, the motion detector light had come on. So I thought that was odd. And I looked outside and I I just saw our car, but no one around it. And I thought, huh, did my mom or go outside or something? And it gets me from the car.

And then I heard it again. And I thought I heard some footsteps outside. It was like a blue stone gravel driveway. And that happened several times. And I was kind of confused because at one point, I heard the car door slam and I was looking outside and I saw the car and no one was at the car at this point and I was just like, did I miss something?

I thought maybe I saw like a flash or something. I thought maybe I don't know what I had seen but I really didn't see much of anything. I just was baffled by why I heard the sound of, you know, of like someone getting in and out of a car. Anyway, I went outside into the kitchen to get, I don't know if it was to get water or something to eat.

And our exchange student from downstairs came running upstairs, shaking, and was pale white as a ghost. And he just said right away, I was working out, and I went to open the window to let some air in. And there was a face in the window. And we were like your face reflecting in the window. He's like, no, it was the face of a man or something, you know. And I mean, he was really horrified. And I believed him suddenly because what I had been hearing. So my mother immediately called the police.

And at that time, the police, the dispatcher said, okay, it's going to be about 40 minutes before they get there. And my father's like, I'm home alone with two children. children and this guy who was terrified in the middle of nowhere in the woods and it's going be 40 minutes. Thanks. So after 40 minutes, I actually hear the car coming and then I see his headlights to the woods. He had gone through the wrong location. He actually went to about 150 yards or more through the woods was an old spring house. And I shouted over to him and told him to come back this way and he did.

And he said that, we asked him if, like, since he was over there, had anyone, you know, maybe somebody parked over there and walked through the woods? And he said, no, no, no. His tracks were the only ones that had gone in and come out. It was mud season. And so you would know if any car had

come in or out. And he said, no. But, you know, he thought, he thought, well, I'd never had a report of anything like this. So we don't really have any, he said, we don't really have any peeping tombs, you know, out in the middle of nowhere, which is just not a report they ever get. He said, you know, maybe it's maybe some kid from high school, you know, pranking the guy. And so I'm saying, I said, oh, well, you know, he's, he's like, he wasn't particularly well liked. And so, you know, maybe that's possible. And so whatever, you know, the cop left and the night passed without any further event.

The next night, it happened again. You know, I didn't hear, I didn't hear anything outside this time. I don't remember if I was in my room or not. But the first night I certainly was. The second night, he came up again the same issue, even more scared this time. there was someone, you know, someone staring at him through the window. And again, when we got him called the police, this time they sent, it was I think it was a local cop that came.

I don't remember it was off duty and just came anyway, just to be quicker. But they were there much faster this time. And again, you know, no, you know, no, they didn't see any tracks or anything coming anywhere of cars. And, you know, we hadn't heard any cars coming in. So, again, you know, that night passes, nothing else really happens. The third night, my father had come back home. And he'd heard about this at this point.

And once again, this poor guy comes upstairs, you know, shaking like a leaf, you know, freaked out again. This guy worked out. He had like a workout regimen the same time every night. And it just seemed to be happening, you know, someone was watching him, I guess, just doing these silly exercises or whatever, you know, inside. And he came up and this time, you know, my father in a bathrobe and with a baseball bat in hand goes flying out the door and is just screaming every expletive in the world that you can imagine. but I had followed him out right behind him. I don't know why I did, but I think maybe that's just trying to be tough. But this is really why I began to believe what the guy really was saying,

because I heard the sound of someone or something running through the forest. And I'll get back to that in a little bit. So we never saw or heard anything again. And the years went by, 30 years or so went by in which, you know, my parents just thought, oh, he just said to us, it's just some kids at school, you know, pranking him. They don't, he's, you know, being bullied or something. Okay. So 30 years go by and this is a very small town, very small school.

and things just don't add up because I have asked, there's only 18 kids in the class that he was in school. That's how small it was. I have friends that were in his class and below him, and I have interviewed several people asking them, you know, if any of their friends did this or they heard, or if they'd heard about any of this. And in a small town, you, you know,

everyone would have heard about this in high school because they would have been laughing about it for years. So nobody knew what I was talking about. There was no one who, and not only did they never hear about it, they couldn't imagine who would do that, and who would do that for three nights in a row. And also, why was this guy so terrified, and why wouldn't he recognize, you know,

he was a class of 18 kids, he was there all year? he would have recognized them. It would have been more than one, I think, and they would have recognized them. And why would he have been so terrified and unable to describe he wouldn't go into detail about what he saw in the window.

And to make things to further the point, when I went out behind my father, I heard someone or something, when I'm telling you running through the forest, this was like an Olympic sprinter. moving so fast through the woods, and I heard the sounds of branches, you know, just breaking apart with incredible explosiveness. And it was going in the direction where, like I told

you, you could go for miles without ever hitting a road. They weren't running towards any house or any car location, any road. Also, to imagine that any high school kid would have cased the whole area and would have, first of all, this is 95, so it was not like there was GPS. They'd have to find out where this guy lived, which wasn't easy to do. They would have, on school nights, had to have parked well over a mile away in the pitch darkness, without a flashlight, mind you, walk through the woods, three nights in a row, more than a mile in the woods in pitch blackness, just to stare at somebody in the window, And like as if that's like a prank to do or to think to scare somebody, it doesn't make sense.

And then the sound of those footsteps just the way that it sounded just doesn't make sense at all. Just in now we think of it in retrospect, everyone I talk to about it just thinks it's just the strangest thing that they've heard and it doesn't make any sense. But it did happen. I know it happened because we both heard my father and I, heard this person crashing. And I was expecting to see flashlights and I was expecting to hear laughter because if it were, I would think that if it were someone pranking that they would have not come alone and they would have had a flashlight and the sound of someone, you know, if they were being chased off, you'd expect two teenagers to be laughing and they run away.

Who can run through dense forest and pitch black like an Olympic sprinter? And this went on for, I heard this person or this thing running for well over half a mile or more into this forest. I mean, it was impressive. Anyway, I reached out to you because I didn't know if you had any insights, Wes, and I thought perhaps there was something that you might see that I don't. And I just wanted to put it out there. I just figured, I'm trying to just be helpful to all the people that have, that have, you know, bear the stigma and ridicule of having people not believe what they, what they say they saw.

And I didn't, I didn't see anything, but, but I certainly, I don't, I don't believe in, in basically telling thousands of people that they're liars when I believe them about everything else. So I hope this helps anybody who needs to come forth for their own benefit. Yeah, it's strange, Mike. You know, I don't think it was someone from school, obviously, because there's too much going on there. And why didn't the kid recognize someone from school? You know, kids would have been laughing, running off.

Like when you and your father went out there, how you had noticed little things like, oh, there's no flashlights. Oh, this thing's running to the woods like an Olympic spring. printer. And, you know, I kind of had that experience in Texas. I've talked about the log being thrown at my head. But right before the log was thrown at my head, I saw what I thought was someone from our group running through the woods, not far from where we were at. And little things started right off the bat. I'm like, why don't they have a flashlight? But the whole time I'm thinking it's a person. And then I'm like, okay, that's pretty fast for, I mean, they were screaming

through the woods, just running as faster than any man could. really run through the woods and all that happened right before the log was thrown at us. But in my mind, I was like, you know, why doesn't he have a flashlight? What, you know, who is that? What are they? It didn't really click with me that this is off. There's something very wrong here. And I'm sure your dad must have recognized that, but I'll come back to that in a second.

One thing I want to ask you about the car door that you heard in the noise of the car, there wasn't an actual car that had pulled up and someone getting out, correct? So we had a car outside, but I was looking at the car. I was looking at the car when I heard the sound of it and there was nobody at the car. That's what's bad. I heard it and thought someone must have come up without me hearing. Then I looked outside and I heard the sound again coming from in the general vicinity, but there was nobody at the car.

That's what was so strange to me. And I heard it several times, and it was a detail that I, for some reason, it's like, it's so vivid in my mind hearing it and thinking how bizarre it was. And I don't, I have no explanation for it because it, you know, I, for a while I thought, like, why would teenagers want to open the car door? and it was likely locked anyway, but I, you know, open it and slam it, and then I just kept it to myself

that I heard it again without anyone being at the car, you know, because it just sounds kind of nuts, and I thought maybe I imagined it or something, but Noah, that was something that I kept hearing over and over again, you know, that first night leading up to him coming upstairs. Yeah, and that's kind of the weird part. You know, the initial thought would be, oh, someone must have been opening the car door or something must have been going on there.

But, you know, I interviewed Ron Moorhead. He captured the Sierra sounds. You hear him there in the intro when these things are talking back and forth to each other. The place where he captured the Sierra sounds, you're not getting there by car. I mean, you're not, you can either parachute in, you can go in by horse, or if you're really up to it, you can hide. but there's no way you're getting a motorized vehicle to this location. And I remember several times he told me that when they were in this little shelter thing, that's how they captured the noise that's now called the Sierra Sounds. There were several nights when they were in that

shelter. And Ron said, we all heard a car pull up, doors open like someone was getting out, door closed. They're in the shelter going, what in the world? You know, there's no way to get a car. Like, who drove a car up here? How in the world? And they would come out of the shelter and there was nothing there. And Ron said that that happened a lot when they were there. They would hear sounds of, you know, vehicle doors being opened or a vehicle driving up, stopping and someone opening a car door. But there's no car there.

Just weird stuff like that. I want to go back to the exchange student. You said he was about 18? Yeah. West you. I'm sorry you. Give me a moment here. You're giving me goosebumps.

I have the steer sounds. I did not know that about the car door thing with Ron. I had no idea about that. You got the hair standing on end of my, for me here because, I mean, that's just, I mean, that puts two and two together. I didn't hear a car pulling up, but I certainly heard the sound of a car door something. And perhaps, perhaps it makes sense why it stood out to me because it maybe wasn't quite the real sound of it. Yeah, that's probably why it does stand out. it might have been off a little bit.

I think even Ron said the noise was off a little bit, but if you had to describe it, it sounded like a car pulling up and, you know, car door being slammed. And everyone knows that sound. It's like the sound of shotgun being cocked. Everyone knows, it doesn't matter what part of the world you're in, you know that sound.

It is fascinating, though, that you experience that. And going back to the exchange student, you know, when I was 18, if I saw someone on my window, I'm going out there to confront them. Right. You know, it's not, it might be too much testosterone and ego talking at that time, but I would have rushed out there. And the fact that he was so terrified, makes me wonder what he saw in his window that terrified

him so much. Did he ever go into any sort of detail about what he saw? He was, he was unable to, to, um, he wouldn't go into any detail, Westet. He was frightened. When I think about it now, it really doesn't make sense because he was frightened in a way that doesn't make sense. I mean, if there was a teenager outside of his window and it caught him off guard, there's no way he was going to be, I mean, he was, I mean, he was, you know, one notch away from, you know, one notch away from,

you know, from soiling himself. He was really, really, really frightened. I mean, so much so that we kept calling the police. When you followed your dad outside, I was telling you about my little trip in Texas and how for a split second, little things didn't quite add up. But you guys had heard the same take off and basically tear apart the forest on its way out. And you had noticed the little things like, oh, there's no flashlight. Oh, these kids aren't laughing. and why is this guy running like an Olympic sprinter through the forest in the middle of the night?

After all that happened, did you and your dad ever talk about that? I'm sure your dad must have caught onto those small details the same way you did. You know, I asked my father somewhat recently about it, and he's, you know, his memory is always less clear. He just remembers going outside yelling and he probably, you know, speaking of like testosterone, I'm being cocky, he was probably like, you know, I showed that little SOV or whatever. But he went inside. I mean, I distinctly remember the sound of, I don't know that he ever, that he remembers hearing the running, but I'm telling you that, I mean, I can just vividly recall hearing. the direction that the running was and just how impressed I was by it. Because you're talking about, you're talking about an area where it's not like a big high canopy with just open ground below it.

You know, it's where we were was dense secondary forest that had been, it had been, you know, pasture land that has had started growing over again in the 40s. So it was, it's all wild forest now declared wild forest, but it's just, it's all blackberry, you know, bushes and, you know, just dense undergrowth as, you know, as well as, you know, 40, 50 foot, you know, trees as well. But what I'm saying is that without the use of a machete and a flashlight, you know, if it's a regular person, they're moving through there very quickly and they're not moving in the direction of just more and more woods. And mind you, it was also, there was also on a hillside. So it was, it was. pretty steep elevation as well. And they were really cooking. I mean, really cooking. And they were going in an area where you'd have to double back out or just walk many, many more miles well up the ridge and up the mountain.

Yeah, kids doing a prank really makes no sense at all, especially where you lived. And, I mean, that's a lot of work to go into, just scare someone. And usually when you do a prank, you do it once. You don't do it three nights in a row. and just his reaction of, you know, how terrified this guy was of a quote-unquote person in his window. Thing was probably going up and watching him work out being like, what in the world is this guy doing? He was probably entertainment.

That's what I've come to concluded was probably like, oh, you know, it's the best show in town at the moment, right? This guy is, you know, going up and down on all fours. And, you know, he's probably, he was probably funny looking. And it's like he wasn't wearing much clothing doing that. And he was probably like, oh, look at the, you know, the hairless naked, you know. Yeah, I think that's exactly what was going on. You know, after your dad chased this thing off the property, did anything else ever happen? You know, so a couple of things I can I can just recall is that I heard one night,

sort of similarly laying in bed it was in summer had the windows wide open and I remember my blood running cold because I heard I heard what sounded like what wanted to be

a deer but it wasn't quite right it was you know how deer especially like a feet like a dough a dough when they

if they can't locate their fawn or fawns for example they'll make this sort of like this ha-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h-h sort of noise that that's you know if you're not used to it it's pretty weird hearing in the night but this was like was like that sound and mixed almost with that kind of like meow cry of a peacock you know it was like a ha-but-with-ha you know sort of a thing and it and it made my blood run cold because there's nothing that makes that noise it was like something trying to sound like a deer but had vocals where there shouldn't have been. It was voiced when it shouldn't have been. So that happened. And then one night, it was a beautiful night, and exactly 3 a.m. I heard what I thought at the time may have been a sonic boom, but I didn't hear any planes going by and just heard this enormous.

It was like a, if you can imagine a roll of thunder, but like a way that it can really stretch out. But it was out of nowhere in a crystal clear night just this huge, boom, just in northern. And it sort of like shook the house a little bit. And it just rumbled through. And I never heard anything like that before since. It was a strange place to live. One night on a very, one day, sorry, a very sunny day, I came outside and I was, I think I must have been going to walk down into town. It's about a mile or two or two miles.

I came outside and I came around the house. house and we had a yard out front that sloped down very fast and into like a pine forest. And we had like a big, like an area where we had stacked up like branches to make sort of, I guess it was just some sort of like composting, but not compost, but just, you know, you break down brush and branches. You stack them into a big pile to sort of mulch it down. I came around the house. I didn't see anything.

I just heard this like this enormous crash as if something had just like run in, like I'd spout, you know, startled something and it jumped into that big pile. I remember, you know, I froze really quickly and I, and I, because I just heard, and I saw, I saw that those branches had moved, something large had jumped into. I thought maybe it was a bear. But then, you know, I didn't hear anything more and I thought, is there a bear in those branches? And I just was standing there looking and in the light, I thought I could see some hair,

but it, it was, I mean, it certainly wasn't a, it wasn't a, it wasn't a, it wasn't a hair and I and it was just then dead still. I could just sort of see some sunlight. I really what I thought was hair and I you know I didn't think much of it and I I just figured huh maybe I don't know what that was but I then just walked I just walked away I but it was just it's unusual now I think about how how there was this clearly a big crash into the brush and then and then something very still you know. Yeah, I think if you're not thinking Sasquatch or Bigfoot, a lot of times people pass things off like, hmm, that was weird, you know, not really give it a second thought. It definitely sounds like they were on the property. You know, after that exchange student left, did anyone occupy that room he was in? No, I think we may have, no, it was a guest room after that. It was a guest room after that. We were there for four years. He was there the,

You know, by 90, I think it was seven maybe, 97 we had moved to a different home. I gotcha. Yeah, so it sounds like there were still weird things going on the property even after this kid left, but they weren't coming up the way they were before. And I kind of think part of that was your dad's reaction. That's what I was thinking. I think they didn't think, you know, someone didn't think there was a man of the house, you know, present.

and then suddenly there was. Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking. That and along with just as general reaction of running out there like a madman, ready to kill someone, you know, how this thing reacted, how it took off. And, you know, after you guys moved out of the home, did you ever sit down with your parents and talk about anything else that might have happened on that property? No, you've got to understand. And my parents, first and foremost, were city transplants, right?

My father, you know, was away for work much of the time. And my mother was a full-time professional as well. And so we were, you know, we were as kids were home alone a lot. You know, we would get off the bus and we'd walk up that driveway. It was like, you know, quite a journey by ourselves. and we would be home by ourselves quite a lot. I think that may have been part of the thinking why also they'd gotten exchanged at one point was just maybe having someone who was a bit older just to be around just in case of emergency or whatever.

But that was only for that one year. So my parents, they wouldn't be a source of too much stories, although my mother did say to me the day, she said, you know, it was, it was kind of creepy and spooky up in that house. She did have, you know, she did feel like there was something, there's something there in retrospect that does kind of bother her. She's a pretty, very practical personal science, and she's a doctor. But so, you know, they're not the right person to ask. I did, when I was asking, when I was asking people,

in high school about, you know, if they had heard of anything. A close friend of mine, I actually was asking him, and I said to him, you know, I don't want to draw any conclusions here, but I think it may, you know, not have been, you know, a human or, or, you know, that was there. And he, he knew what I was kind of alluding to. And he told me a story that he and some friends one night were riding their bicycles over this mountain to go into town for something at night, and they had flashlights like taped to the front of their bikes. And he told me that he was going down, they were going down this hill pretty fast. And up in the distance, he saw the shadow or silhouette of a very large-looking person.

jump down seven feet off of a stone wall on the side of the road, land on one foot and off the same foot, you know, jump from that, you know, from the middle of the road, you know, to the other side and into the woods. He said, he told me he was wondering, first of all, who was crazy enough to just be out at night like that, but he was wondering what tactical gear that, that huge guy had that he could do that, right? So I said to him, I don't think, I don't know that was a person, my friend. That doesn't seem, I don't know if you've ever heard of anything like that, but to jump down and on one foot, you know, bounced right back off of it, you know, like a bounding almost like a puma. Yeah, I've seen that in my own encounter and your friend's right. It's, it's hard to explain because it sounds like nonsense when you try and tell someone, hey, the thing jumped and bounced off the middle of, and the.

middle of the road like it was a trampoline and it was gone. But, you know, a lot of eyewitnesses have seen that. I'm with you. I think that your friends did see it that night. I think over these three nights, the exchange student saw it. And it sounds like even you might have had a sighting with the crash that you heard and couldn't quite make out what was in the middle of this big, huge stack. It's like I was telling you before, man, the Catskills, they're notorious for sightings. I've had many eyewitnesses come forward from that area to share their sightings. I wanted to ask you, Mike, you know, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? And I'm curious, what are your thoughts?

Yeah, I've given that a lot of thought because I know you ask people about that. And I've kind of come to the conclusion of there isn't a one-size-fits-all here. because I think the variance lends credence to too many different things. I think a relic hominid is a perfectly fine theory. I think you could also have groups of people who have been sort of marginalized over centuries, living in the woods who can sort of evolve away from the rest of us as well. It doesn't have to be a relic commented. It could actually just be a more recent one.

But I think the sightings that people have of these, the reports you hear of these incredibly impressive-looking bodybuilder specimens that they report, it feels to me like there might be some sort of genetic engineering going on there. Because I don't think in the historic sightings do you hear too much of people talking about, you know, the impressive physique of, you know, of monsters, basically. And I think if you just go back to World War II when you hear the rumors about sort of animals being used to make, you know, perfect weapons or perfect soldiers and things like that, I don't want to sound too out there, but I wouldn't put it past anybody or some deep state agency to create something like that.

Especially I heard that story of someone who on their deathbed confessed to being part of some sort of agency that had to go and shoot some of these things for some sort of mission or whatever. that's not, that's like, that just sort of lends it to it. So I think just to answer your question, I think there's several things going on. It's hard for me to believe that it's just an ape, although I'm not saying it can't be because certainly we've been surprised before. But we're talking about a creature that has to be mobile enough and intelligent enough to then move somewhat seasonally to be able to survive the hardships of winter. So, you know, I think it's something closer to human than it is to animal. And I know people who have seen it say it looks human, but not quite.

So I hope I answered your question here, but I think there's, I think there's several different answers. Yeah, and I appreciate you answering it. You know, and I do agree with you. There is, that's why it's so hard to answer that question because if you say, I think it's some form of human, you could be right. If you say it's some form of animal, you could be right. You know, if you say it's somewhere between an animal and a man, you could be right. That's why it's so hard to answer that question.

So I do appreciate you answering it. It makes me, you know, out there in the Catskills I was telling you, it's pretty notorious for sightings. I've had a lot of sightings come out of that area. and I know maybe not so much in New York City, but out there in the cat skills, everyone I've talked to, most witnesses coming forward, they're armed to the teeth out there in the country. And this behavior of coming up to a window, your chances of getting shot are very high. And it always amazes me that we can't quite catch up with them because you do hear about people going out kind of like with your father. but imagine your father's arm to the teeth and just blasting away. I mean, you would think we'd catch up with them because you hear those type of reports a lot.

Yeah, I mean, this plan, people, you know, I've, I've heard from hunters in the area that they've, that they've heard, they've heard things from credible people about it. Their take on it is that they think it's more of a transient population or individuals than it is like a more resident one. But hunters I talk to don't, they don't dismiss that notion at all. And it's interesting. I mean, I think when you're getting into the sort of interdimensionality aspect that people bring up, I think that's an interesting thing. I wouldn't dismiss that right out either because of just what we're learning about the whole UFO issue, that it might not be extraterrestrial as much as it is just sort of ultra-terrestrial. It's here, has always been here, and we just aren't always able to see and sense these things.

Yeah, and you bring up a good point there, too. I mean, I know the interdimensional thing sounds crazy to a lot of people, and even I still struggle with it. But much like you, I'm not so quick to throw that out the window either. There's a framework in your mathematically and physics for it. So it's not an implausible thing. I want to ask you, has anyone ever thought about the fact that they talk about with infrasound and these things with the incredibly expressive vocal cords? I mean, it would be possible at the right frequency.

And, you know, in decibel levels, like, you know, if you, you can, you know, you can levitate objects or even make them appear to disappear with the right, you know, sound frequencies. Has anyone ever theorized that perhaps that's what, that's what these things do and can actually sort of render themselves camouflaged or invisible by doing such a thing? Yeah, I don't know that anyone has ever really done a study on that, you know, as it relates to these things. I'm with you, though. You're right about frequency. You know, everything is vibrating in a certain frequency. If you change the frequency of a sound, for example, you can make a person angry, you can make a person terrified, you can make a person, you know, totally change their attitude and how they're reacting to things. And I know with Infrasound, in the normal animal kingdom, there's nothing really weird or magical about it. What's weird is with these things, if they are producing imprisound, you know, I understand people say, well, you know, when Sasquatch is around, everything goes quiet. You know, all the animals go quiet. And the theory is, well, the big predators here and now all the prey are going to be quiet, which is true to an extent, but why did the insect shut off? You know, why does, there's a lot of weird things that go on in these situations or hear people say, well, I got zapped. and but what really happened when you got zapped? I mean, what is it that you think happened? I think it's a little more than infrasound.

I think there's something else going on here. And you're right with regard to frequency, and I won't go into it like I'm some sort of expert. I know very little about it, but, you know, if you could change your frequency, you could walk through walls, you could seemingly vanish, you could do a lot of things that don't quite add up

to our reality. And most of that's proven with math through physics and everything like that. But with these things, I don't know that it's infrasound. There's, I hope it is. I hope it's nothing more than what I think is going on, which is much darker and much more worse than simple infrasound that a normal animal would give off. Yeah, I think, right, and I think when you examine this further and further. Like I said, it's not a one size fits all. I think some of the sizes that fit do tend to bring us to conclusions that are not so pleasant to learn. So, yeah, I mean, I would like to just be a simple animal, but I don't think that adds up. Simple animals or something we can study. Yeah, I agree with you. And, you know, as far as like the castles go,

there's a lot that comes out of there. I think most people I've talked to, I know this happened to you back in 95, but most people I've talked to, it doesn't seem like they hang around that long, kind of like what you were saying earlier, how they just kind of passed through. And I think you're onto something there for sure.

It's one of those things, you know, there's so many, sometimes I wonder if there is like a set of rules or something. Because, you know, like your dad's storming out and this thing just taking off. And knowing full well, if you've ever seen one of these things, your dad didn't stand a chance. He was running into something really he didn't want to get in a fight with. But this thing ran off.

And it makes me wonder sometimes when people step it up or ramp up this situation. And I get crap for this. But I talk about the old woman in Texas that she had what she described as three black men that would come up and look in the windows, bang on the house. And this whole woman would go out with a shotgun and start blasting as they're running back into the forest. And nothing weird in her mind. You know, it must be three human beings coming up and just harassing her out in the middle of nowhere and continue to do it, even after she comes out with a shotgun and starts firing shots off at them.

or the guy where he was in Florida and he thought it was this man up on a ridge throwing rocks at him, not on a ridge, but kind of up the hill throwing rocks at him and his buddy as they came in. And he picked up a rock and threw it back. And that's when he got hurt. I think people get hurt when they engage with them. It's almost like there's a weird set of rules or something like that. Or even, yeah, yeah, that's very possible. there are probably rules of engagement.

But even just from the extent of like if they think you're being playful, you know, if you try to play with a gorilla, you get hurt very quickly. Yeah, without a doubt. And it's such a cool account. I mean, I know it's, you know, some people might think it's a benign account. But you hear this sort of behavior over and over and over again with these sayings. And just that kid's reaction, you know, of being just too. terrified night after night after night. Do you ever, did you ever talk to him again?

What country was he from? He was from Germany. And I got to tell you, I didn't tell you this. Just a couple months later, we drove him to the airport. He was very distant after that and after this event. And we drove him to the airport. He got in a plane and we've never heard from him since. Yeah.

Well, who could blame the kid, you know? Germans and Russians, this is a very broad stroke of a comment I'm about to make. A lot of people think they're cold. They're not really cold people. They're very stoic people. And they're going to be very straight, very direct with you. And, you know, for him, it would be nice, gosh, to chat with him. Just be like, what did you see that night?

You know, what was it that was creeping you out night after night after night? I'd love to chat with him. I really appreciate you coming on, Mike. I can't thank you enough for your time. Thank you for being a member of the site and supporting what I do. I really enjoyed chatting with you, man. Yeah, my pleasure. And if you ever need anything from me or you want to come to New York, let us know.

I appreciate that, Mike. That's very kind of you. Thank you again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.