Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1028 Bamboo Eating Sasquatch

Episode Date: February 3, 2024

Josh writes "My mom is a big fan of the podcast and suggested I share an encounter I had in Alabama back in 2012. At the time, we were living in Gadsden, Alabama right by Noccalula Falls. Every day when I would get home from school, I would go to the backyard to let our dog out of a run we had made and bring him into the house. One day, while I was going up the side yard, the dog was agitated for some reason and was barking more than he normally would. I wasn't paying too much attention and was just looking down at the path I was walking on until I heard a noise of some kind in the bamboo by the house. For whatever reason, our house had a bunch of bamboo growing around it (it was the only one in the neighborhood that had anything like that around) and I looked up to see a black, furry figure of some kind squatting down, ripping leaves off of the bamboo. I don't think it was a bear because I remember seeing it use a thumb pinch and grab leaves and things off the bamboo to eat. I froze where I was and watched it for a second and when it realized I was there it also froze and we just stared at each other for a few seconds before we both sprinted in opposite directions. I'll also share that at one point after that, I remember waking up in the middle of the night and looking up at a window above my bed in my room to see a face with sunken-in features looking down at me. That window faced the same side yard where I saw the bigfoot too, so I don't know if it or another one had come back to check it out again but it's something I'll never forget."  

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. Bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-uh.

Hey, this is Taylor from Ohio. Wanted to wish my dad, Rick, a very happy 65th birthday. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming. Sasquatch Chronicles. Happy birthday, Rick, from a fellow Pisces. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you.

We'll be chatting with Josh. And Josh grew up in Alabama. and back in 2012, he had this encounter on his property. He's 23 now, but it's a very fascinating account. It reminds me a lot of the William Row account from 1957. At least a creature was doing the same thing. But I'll let Josh go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Josh to the show. Josh, thanks for coming on. Thank you. I appreciate it. And thanks for your time.

Yeah, and I appreciate your time as well, Josh. If you would, take me back to 2012 out there in Alabama and just start from the beginning. What were you doing? And what happened? What did you end up seeing? Yeah. And, you know, I'll start it off too. I'll say that, I mean, I'm 23 right now.

So this was, you know, I was 11 or 12 or so at the time. And, you know, that was sort of one of the main concerns of like when I would tell this story was, of course, like, you know, some of the concerns. Like, he's just an overactive imagination and all that. but I think one of the unique things about this before I really get into telling it is that I didn't really have much of an interest in this sort of a thing until I had the experience, until I sort of saw that. And then I started to go into the research and sort of like delve into Bigfoot or Sasquatch and all that stuff.

And so it wasn't like I had something to sort of build on to begin with to see this sort of thing. But so I, it was in Gazzen, Alabama. We were pretty close to Nakulah Falls, which has a campground around it. That's a pretty good size. And where our house was, it was in a neighborhood, but it wasn't, you know, you weren't like right next to your neighbors. There was a pretty good, like, a couple hundred feet or so. And between each other and between each house, there was like a solid thicket that would sort of spread up and grow, like, more up into the mountain that we were.

And so you could get to some spots where it was, you know, fairly remote and some pretty like solid growth. And the house that we had in particular had, for whatever reason, bamboo. And we called them elephant ears, like a big, you know, I don't know if you know what those are, but it was like a big leafy sort of plant thing around. And it was the only house in the area that really had it. and I, whenever I would come home from school, my, you know, little chore to do would be to go and get our dog from the run in the backyard and just get them into the house for the night. And I remember I went into the house, I put my bag down and all that, and I came out and I go up this little side yard because one of the sideyards that we had was just a straight shot to the dogs around.

you know, I would always go with that path. I remember I was, you know, just sort of looking down at my feet, just making sure that I wasn't going to trip on anything. And there was always, and it's kind of funny how the small details, I guess, sort of stand out in these sorts of moments. Because I remember that there was a sort of a flat rock that would sort of be a halfway mark between the front of the house and the backyard of the dogs run. And I got to that rock.

and I just happened to look up into the little thicket area in the side yard where that bamboo and all that was. And I saw, you know, sort of what I had said, like a large, furry creature of some kind, was just sort of plucking stuff off of the bamboo and was eating it, it looked like. And the way that it had sort of turned, it was sort of like squatting. and it almost was like it had a left arm sort of grabbing at a stock and sort of pulled it forward and it was using its right hand to pull stuff off. And, you know, I know it's not a bear because I saw, I could very clearly see that it had a thumb, that it was like using to sort of pinch stuff and pull it off.

And it didn't know that I was there until I think it sort of turned at one point two and just sort of saw me and it was like mid-bite of this little leaf and we just sort of stopped and stared at each other for a few seconds. It felt like forever in that moment. And I mean, I didn't feel necessarily threatened by it other than I was just scared because I didn't know what this thing was.

And I don't think that it necessarily, I think it maybe felt similarly because after we just sort of looked at each other for a moment, we just sprinted in opposite directions. And I remember, like, just sort of out the corner of my eye when I saw it or when I turned to run, I saw it sort of stand and run too. And it was the way that it had been squatting sort of rose to, like, a full height,

which also sort of the size of it and the height that I kind of saw out the corner of my eye at that point, I don't, I will, not that I'm an expert or anything like that, but I of course don't think it was, you know, like a fully grown one. Just because when it sort of stood, it was of course bigger than me, but I wouldn't say that it's like one of those, you know, seven, eight foot tall ones that you would see, um, normally or normally, you know, what I'm, you know, kind of what I mean. Yeah, it's not like you ran into King Kong. Yeah, definitely not. King Kong, maybe Kong Jr. But yeah, so I mean, that was, and then, like, I guess I forgot this part.

Our dog was just going nuts in the run that day for whatever reason. And he wasn't really a barker normally. He had a big, like, sort of a barrel chest bark, but he wouldn't do it too often, you know? Like, if someone came up to the door and, like, would ring the doorbell, he'd, like, go off once. And then that would pretty much be it. but this day he was just going off like repeatedly and then that was you know I was going up that side yard to go get him and then that's when I saw it and then I sprinted back inside of the house and my mom was I mean it was obvious that I was shaken up to the point that she wholeheartedly

believes that I saw something you know because like I was I mean I wasn't you know I was a pretty you know, like, I don't know, good kid, I don't know, I wouldn't make up stories or things like that. And the way that, like, I had sort of reacted to it, like, I was obvious that I was shaken in that moment. So she's been, you know, always has believed me and all that. And she's actually had recommended me to sort of try and, you know, just throw the story out to you, actually.

And so here we are. Yeah, well, I appreciate mom sending you my way for sure. And the account reminds me a lot of the William Rowe encounter. I was talking about there in the beginning. Very similar thing happened to him back in 57. He stumbles upon this creature and it's eating leaves. And it doesn't see him at first. And he's sitting there watching it.

It's grabbing the branch and eating leaves off of a tree. They make eye contact. Basically, it gets up and it takes off. A little bit more to his encounter. He had a gun and thought about shooting it. But the whole account is fascinating, especially its behavior. And then, you know, you hear your dog barking. Dogs going absolutely nuts.

You walk out there to find out what in the world is a dog barking at. And you stumble upon this thing, eating these leaves. How far away from you was a creature? Very close. Maybe a yard or two from each other. Like it was and I mean that's another thing too like I I kind of know that it didn't necessarily mean harm because of how close I was to it if it had wanted to like or if it had been a bear or something along those lines like

it would have been tough to get away from it from how close I was yeah that is that's too close that's really really close was it kind of in the open or was it kind of in the Bush is eating? So the way that the side yard was, there was almost like a divot of some kind that would sort of go up. It was almost like a clearing at the line of the thicket or the side yard that stuff would sort of grow out and we would trim it back every now and then. And so it was sort of like, but if you looked at, like you couldn't see really from the road

with how it sort of grew outwards. it's almost like a it sort of looked like a sea almost like just a reverse sea like sort of grew into it like an indention but it would sort of grow back around on the other side

and it could cover up that angle from the road and so it was sort of in that area so it was hidden but also was sort of bigger than that everything else around it so I don't know if he was

necessarily hiding very well And in those side yards on the other side, we have like a little creek that ran up that would get a little runoff every now and then from the higher elevation and all that. So both sides are fairly lush depending on the time of year. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I mean, he was hidden, but it's not like he was trying that hard to be hidden. And I want to talk about what happened later after this encounter because it didn't quite end here. But I want to ask you, when you were looking at this saying, would you kind of describe what you saw that day? Yeah.

But I think the, I remember it had, you know, like big sort of lanky arms almost that I could really see one sort of pulling that branch down. I didn't realize it until it sort of stood up and ran, but it was, it had like bent knees that it was. that it was sort of squatting down. I saw the thumb, and I don't know why. I guess that's just the thing that always stuck out to me was that I saw a thumb

that go up and sort of like pinch to pull it off. I saw, you know, fingers, pretty, this one seemed like it had some fairly, like, long shaggy sort of fur in spots. The face, it didn't have like a snout, like a bear or anything like that would.

It looked fairly flat, but also sort of, from what I saw, saw, it had some fur sort of like coming up to the face and it was sort of longer in part, sort of obscured it a little bit at times. Then I also remember that it had you know, like sort of looking at things

nowadays, I can be like, oh, okay, like I sort of see or like I can make a connection. It had almost more like an, you know, like an ape-like sort of lips and things like that that I, you know, I caught it sort of mid-bite on this leaf that it sort of saw or so I could kind of see those clearly.

This one was really dark for like black. It really felt or it really seemed like it was just a solid sort of black color. Yeah, and you're really, really close to this thing. When you were looking at it, did it remind you more of a human or did it remind you more of like a non-human primate, like a gorilla or something like that? I think when I first saw it sort of squatting, I thought it was a more ape-like. And then when I saw it sort of stand and move, it sort of seemed almost like a blend of the two. Like it seemed like it had longer legs than what, you know, a gorilla or something would.

And, I mean, I tell people, you know, I either saw Bigfoot or I saw a gorilla and you can tell me which is more likely to be seen in Alabama. Yeah, it almost seems more crazy to say that you saw a gorilla in your yard eating leaves out there in Colorado than actually seeing a Sasquatch. I know this wasn't the end of this incident, this encounter. Another incident happened, and I wanted to ask you, how much later did this happen? And if you would, just take your time and walk me into what happened? Yeah, I think that this was, This happened fairly not too long after, I think, where I was asleep in my bedroom and I had above the, like my bed frame, like where my pillows and all that were, I had a window that would be right above that. And I woke up at one point in the middle of the night, which was a little weird.

Like I wouldn't normally, I was a pretty sound sleeper, you know. And I still am. I sleep through a lot of alarms, unfortunately. But, you know, and I remember, like, looking up into this window, which that window looked out over into the side yard that I saw, or I had my encounter. So it would, and it would have been right at sort of where that rock was that I sort of said would be halfway between. That window would have looked out right over that. And so it would have really been just a direct line right to where I saw the thing.

It was a fairly high window, especially from the interior. From the exterior, it was pretty high, too. And the way that that sort of a side yard was, there was almost like a little divot, too. So if you wanted to get right up into the window from the outside, you would either have to stand a good bit back and sort of lean across the little divot or ditch to look into it, or you'd have to be a pretty tall individual to just stand in that ditch and look up. And I remember I was looking up into the window, and there was this just really weird sort of shape in it. And I couldn't place it until all of a sudden, and I was looking at it sort of upside down, and I was like, I think that's a face.

and I realized that something was looking in at me and then it sort of moved away and I think at that point I was freaked out like through the blankets over the head and just kind of hid for a little bit and that one that one is definitely sort of the freakier of those of those encounters

because, God, that was, I think that the worst thing was that it took me a second to realize it. And we sort of, I guess in that moment we're looking at each other. And I think that once it, and I think that they're connected, I think once it sort of realized that I was looking up at it was when it sort of like moved away. And that one I sort of, I was able to sort of see more of like the face. And that one, once I sort of realized what I was looking at, the eyes almost sort of seem to be I guess recessed into its face

and I remember seeing like sort of like dark sort of rings around the eyes maybe I guess sort of as a result of that but the fur anything around it wasn't really obscuring the face as much as it was for the first one that I saw and that was

that was just so bizarre and I mean still like when I sort of talk about it and sort of remember like how I was feeling in that moment. Like that's still something that kind of wigs you out a little bit. Because the other story, I kind of like to tell because I, you know, I think that that was a fairly neat experience. I didn't really feel threatened. But that one felt more, you know, unnerving, I'll say, just with how, and so, you know,

I don't know if it was maybe if the first one I saw was like a young one. And then the second one sort of looking in the window was an older one that had come by to, like, sort of check things out or, you know, just make sure everything was okay for it. But it was, that one was definitely a different feeling encounter, I guess. Yeah, and that's kind of what I wanted to ask you. So you don't think that the one that actually you saw eating the bamboo leaves and the one that came up to your window was the same creature? No, I don't think so. Because I remember, like, I can see more of that one in the window's face than the other one. From how it sort of would have had to have been standing up against the house to sort of look in the window,

it would have had to have been a little bit taller, I think, than the other one. I don't think that they were the same. Yeah, you'd mention being kind of uncomfortable in this situation. and you kind of described the face, you know, in the recess eyes. What was it about the face that made you so uncomfortable, obviously, besides a creature at your window? But what was it in particular about the face? Yeah, I mean, it seemed vaguely human. I remember this, like the face looks pretty pale, but it wasn't exactly like a human, like a pale human.

It almost seemed like a sort of a grayish. tone to the face and then the eyes. And those are sort of the things that really stick out to me from that. I do remember sort of seeing like a darker outline around that face. So I guess that would be probably the fur or something around that. But then it just sort of took a moment for it to really click what I was looking at with how I was sort of situated under the window. I don't know that it was really like sort of, it wasn't like,

pushing its face up against the window, you know, like it wasn't leaving a mark or anything like that. But it could just, it just really felt like it was just sort of looking down. I think I remember, you know, I can't really remember much about its mouth or anything like that. I just, the biggest thing I really stick out of those eyes. Because it was kind of one of those things were like I was looking at it, like right into its eyes before I really realized that it was its eyes. maybe like the eyes almost sort of narrowing and sort of like

that was when I saw some sort of movement to its face was when I realized that that's what it was almost like it was like sort of trying to look in like it was really trying harder like almost a squint or something maybe I don't know that I necessarily remember

like a brow for railing or if it looked angry or anything like that I think or maybe I just hope at least that it was more curious than anything else But, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a trip that it came up to your window. And I've heard accounts like this many times from other eyewitnesses. And, you know, when you hear stuff like this, because it wasn't the one that you originally saw,

there has to be some sort of communication. It had to have gone back and said, hey, I ran into, you know, I was eating bamboo and I ran into that kid. There has to be some sort of communication going on between them. Yeah, I mean, like, surely there's some sort of, you know, way that they can communicate or sort of, you know, like this is a good place to go for, hey, there is bamboo here or there's interesting things here and all that just because, and that house had a bunch of, you know, sort of strange things to it too. I mean, and it was sort of unique that it had that bamboo. So it was definitely interesting. And I mean, that was obviously a moment that sticks with you. And I've been fascinated by it, whereby, you know, big feed or Sasquatches or, you know, whatever you want to call them since then.

Yeah, moments like this will definitely stay with you the rest of your life. And you're pretty young when this happened. Around this property, was there anything else odd or strange going on? well actually i mean yeah not necessarily related to that um there was another incident where i mean i was in that bedroom again uh that bedroom was sort of at a corner of the house and uh on one wall was my bed and that was where the um that window was that i saw the face but on the other side or sort on the other side or sort of on a wall connecting to that one which was just the one was just the way that window was that the back of the house.

And I had a couple of like really long, sort of narrow windows going up and looking out into the backyard. And I remember seeing, again, one night, like a white sort of figure just sprinted across the backyard. And I couldn't really catch it for too long. And I, of course, wasn't going to go out and look at it. I wasn't that brave and I'm probably still not now to go out there and try and go figure out whatever it was at, you know, two in the morning or whatever it was that I saw it.

But it was, you know, that was just a really freaky experience too. And I think that those would have been around the same time. But this figured, you know, seemed more like a much more humanoid than the other two. I don't, you know, really know what to explain about that. My parents sort of said that maybe it was, you know, someone trying to go and get into the pool or something in the backyard at late at night because we had one and all that. But it was a, I want to say that it was more in like a Novembery time or something like that, maybe. So it wouldn't really make much sense to get into the pool. But then just to sort of make me feel better, I remember they put up a, they strung up.

like fishing line in the backyard to catch anyone if, you know, they did that just sort of as a comfort. But I never really saw anything like that again back there. Yeah, this figure that you saw, you mentioned it was white. Was it hair that you were seeing? You said it looked more human? This one was really hard to see. The windows that I had weren't like huge to really get a whole view of the backyard. They were really pretty narrow.

but I could see like the top half of this figure. I would say that it looked like a woman and sort of a long dress maybe. But I mean it was, like it seemed I wouldn't say it was fur. But, you know, also I don't know

what I would say it was exactly. Yeah, that was like I said, like definitely more humanoid. anything else. And then, you know, like that area, you know, I sort of look back on it. And I was sort of just because, like, when I sent you the email yesterday, I was sort of trying to figure out, like, I was sort of like thinking through like, all right, like, did I get everything, you know, like trying to go back and look at it. So I happened to look up, knock Loula Falls again. And there was, I was call that because of a Native American tribe.

but I believe, and I'm probably going to get the story wrong. It's very interesting story. It's a nice area, all that. But where a princess had been promised to sort of an arranged marriage, but she didn't want to go through with it, and she left someone else instead, but was told she couldn't marry him. And so on the day sort of of the ceremony,

she left off of a waterfall, and that was sort of how it got its name, there's a statue tour and all that there. And so it's, I think, an area that has some Native American history to it, which the entire state of Alabama has a really rich history in that area. It was all very,

you know, and so that was, I don't know, something along those lines would have been for that one, or what exactly, I don't know. Those were all just, I'm sorry,

that didn't really make much sense, but sort of started going a couple of different, directions there. Yeah, there's kind of a lore, kind of a history of people seeing a woman in white what appears to be, you know, on a woman, either a white dress or something to that effect. And I didn't realize how common it was until a couple of years back where there's a lot of places like that where people will see kind of a ghostly figure of a woman in white. And there's always a story behind it, kind of like the story that you're talking about

with East Falls. I've heard stories too that a lot of times like like Sasquatches or Big Feet are sort of common and sort of Native American lore and folk tales and all that stuff. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, do you think that thing that you saw that night wasn't related to Sasquatch that it was more of an apparition? Or do you think it was one of these things?

I mean, I don't necessarily know that it was related to the background. I would definitely say that the thing I saw that night sort of seemed more like a ghost or a spirit or something along those lines. Whereas the other two, I think we're more physical, if that makes sense. Like, I know for sure, I mean, the one that I was a couple of feet away from, that one was living, breathing,

it was touching the same trees and things that I could have gone to go touch if I didn't run in the other direction. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, Josh, do you think the creatures were living on the property, or do you think they were just passing through? Because did all of this weird activity just kind of stop? Weird activity did stop. I think that the encounter in the window, I think that was the last one that happened. And I never really saw anything after that.

But also, we've probably, we only lived there about a year or so. well my mom and I moved in there for about a year or so and that would have been about I think June of 2011 to I think June of 2012 or so and so that was so I never really saw them again so I'm not sure it was a very interesting area I mean I don't know how much space they really would have needed to live or something there

but I could definitely imagine them sort of moving through to other areas. Yeah, and again, I know you're pretty young when this happened to you, and it really wasn't, you know, a scary encounter or a violent encounter. How did this affect you growing up? You know, in all honesty, I thought it was pretty cool. Like, you know, it was something that, you know, I mean, I'd tell a couple of friends or whatever, and, you know, most of the time they wouldn't believe me or, you know,

or I'm also the kind of person that when I tell someone a story, like that. I'm a fairly trustworthy, honest person. And so they're like, oh, well, I mean, if he saw something like that, he wouldn't lie about it. And so, you know, I tell some friends and they'll believe me, you know, I remember I halfway jokingly got into an argument with a biology teacher in high school because I asked him about big foot. He's like, ah, those aren't real. And I was like, oh, well, I saw one. And he was like, oh, no, you didn't. So, you know, it's just stuff like that. I didn't really tell a whole lot of people, though. Like very select friends or that one teacher that one time,

but that was also just sort of the relationship that we had, that we would sort of joke back and forth with each other and things. So it definitely also spurred interest in this sort of a thing. You know, I watched the TV shows, and I was, you know, some of them I think, you know, like it's so different from my experience that I had. And, you know, there are obviously some ones that are just entirely fictional and all that. But, you know, it's just something that I've been interested in. And it's been fun in a way.

I don't know if that's the right word for it. But it's been nice to sort of get that interest and sort of follow along, I guess. The one in the window, that one definitely was more freaky. And I think that if that was the only one that I had, I would be definitely, one, I don't know how many people I would tell about just that encounter. And I definitely wouldn't be as neutral or happy about having that sort of experience, I guess, as I am. That one was freaky. But the other one was just, you know, like we were just sort of both scared of each other. So, I mean, it was, you know, some common ground, I guess.

Yeah, and I can understand what you're saying. I mean, the one where you walked up on it, it was just sitting there eating and kind of stopped and you guys looked at each other. Then it took off running. And, you know, it all depends on people's encounters. You know, people who have scary, aggressive encounters, their attitude is it's a monster. And, you know, that's the end of that. but there's a lot of accounts like this to where they don't quite get, you know,

there aren't quite the killing machines that people think they are. They can be for sure. And there's plenty of accounts to back that up as well. I know on the first one, you got a really good look at it. You're up close and personal while it was eating. But that second one, I often wonder what the purpose of that is. You know, why come up and do that? Is trying to make some sort of statement or what, you know,

I come back up to the window. And again, I've often wondered about it. It's communication. Did it go back and say, hey, you know, I saw that kid and he ran towards this home. And a lot of stuff makes you wonder, man. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? And there's no wrong answer because no one knows. But what are your thoughts?

What do you think that these creatures are? Yeah, I think that it's a creature. I think, you know, I've heard, you know, some people think, you know, some people think like, oh, he's a spirit or something along those lines. And I'm not personally of that just because of how close I was to it. You know, like I saw an animal in front of me. One that in a lot of ways seemed, you know, to have some sort of intelligence that it could sort of like, you know, sort of pick it thing in the way that it was.

It almost seemed like, you know, kind of gathering in a sort of rudimentary. way, I guess. So I definitely think that it's an animal of some kind. Yeah, that's what I got, I think. Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, Josh. And, you know, we can only base our opinions off of experiences. And it's like the Native Americans. Some Native American tribes, if you ask them, what is Sasquatch? They'll say, you know, it's a spirit being that when it's in our reality, it's a very physical, but it's not from here. Some tribes will say it's an animal that, you know, we haven't caught up with. Most tribes will say it's a tribe of people. It's the Forrest Brother. And, you know, it's hard to really give anyone a hard time about that because, again, we form our opinions based

on our experiences. Have ever gone back to that property? Not really. You know, we moved back to Birmingham not too long after. And that wasn't necessarily like a favorite period of my life, really. So I'm okay with not really going back too often. If the memory of a Bigfoot encounter is the one that sticks with me from then, I'm okay with that. Yeah, I hear you. I hear you, man. And, you know, I really, I know this was, you were pretty young when this happened,

but I really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show and share it. And I want to give your mom a shout out because she kind of steered you towards the show. And I just can't thank you enough for coming on the show, man. I really enjoyed chatting with you, Josh. Yeah, thank you. I really appreciate you, you know, just letting me sort of tell my story and all that and sort of give an opportunity for that. It's been nice. You know, again, like I don't really tell too many people about this.

but so it's nice to sort of get it off of the chest to some other people who have also had those sorts of experiences and things like that. Thanks again, Josh. And a listener sent me this piece of audio. I've heard it before. This piece of audio I'm going to play for you came out of the Shawnee National Forest in Southern Illinois. And again, I don't know the complete story behind this vocal, but it got me thinking about Episciano. episode 1026 with John when he was out there with those kids in Washington State. And John, I know you remember, if you'll comment in the section below,

if this was closer to what you heard, let's take a listen. Yeah, whoever recorded it, you know, kind of took their sweet time getting out of there. I think after the first one, you'd have heard me like sprinting on those rocks on my way out. But, you know, John had mentioned that it sounded more human-like, and it was more of just a, you know, roar, that sort of thing. And anyway, I thought I would play it for you guys, and I was kind of curious on John's opinion. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Join me back on Sunday. I have plenty of guests coming up on Sunday for the members.

And also, too, we might have a little chat about these weird crop circles that were showing up during World War II. And the fifth column, I'll give you a little spoiler. The fifth column has to do with people already in countries. It's an old civil war term. And basically a general would show up with four columns of troops. And the fifth column would actually already be within the city. And it kind of has a cool tie-in to some of those crop circles that were showing up in World War II. I hope everyone has a great weekend.

And if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.