Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1032 The Teddy Roosevelt Bigfoot Story

Episode Date: February 17, 2024

Long before he was President; even before he was a Rough Rider, Assistant Secretary of War, or governor of NY state, Theodore Roosevelt tried his hand at ranching in the wilds of North Dakota (until the blizzards of 1886-87 wiped out most of his cattle herd). One of his books from these formative years "The Wilderness Hunter" (1893) contains perhaps the first widely-distributed modern tale of a Bigfoot encounter with early American West pioneers. In his book, Roosevelt relays an account as told to him by an elderly frontiersman, describing nightmarish events experienced during his earlier excursions into the region. Tonight I will be speaking to Mike. Mike and his wife live in Texas and in 2020 they started noticing strange things happening on this property. Mike writes "I have a deer feed plot at the edge of the woods and I've always felt uneasy there feeling like I'm being watched, especially at night. I've been tossing a few apples near my feeder a few times a week and started seeing every apple gone the next morning, no pieces left anywhere. Then I noticed other things like no coyotes for the past 6-8 months, found a large mound of dark poop full of seeds by my feeder that didn't look like any scat I've ever seen and old trees that either fall over or get pushed over at night, but I dismissed all this as just odd. Recently, I heard an actual whoop around 8 pm that sounded like the one on your show's intro from about a hundred yards away or further. My wife has heard this too on other occasions. It's hunting season now, so I was out about 8 pm the other night tossing out apples by my feeder when I heard movement rustling leaves followed by a deep, low growl about 30-35 ft away to my left. Now I've been in some truly scary situations before but this really spooked me because I know animal sounds and what we have here and this wasn't a hog, coyote, cougar or dog and we don't have bears, but this felt distinctly like a warning from something intelligent to leave the area immediately, so I did just that and quickly got back in the house."  

I'm not ready to go, hold, I wish I got back your acting. Thank you. A sighingle, I'll clean you jack. I swear I will snap somebody. A grizzled, weather-beaten old mountain hunter named Bowman entered the saloon. It looked like hell, like a man. That just ran away from the devil. Why don't you come to see?

Now, what would you like to drink? I feel like hell, like I just ran from the devil. I will have a lemon drop, extra ice, and extra lemon. A lemon drop? What is it? Your period? In here, we serve whiskey. Bauman took a sip of his whiskey.

Bauman said, he and a companion decided to set traps. On a trail near Wisdom River, the remote trail had an evil reputation. Another trapper had been found half eaten by mining prospectors along this pass. He must have believed what he said. He was shaking, as he told this account. After setting up camp, the men decided to call it a night. Balman was awakened at midnight to a foul wild odor. Still delirious from just waking.

He saw what was described as a great body lurking in the shadows, where moonlight could not find it. He stood up and fired a shot from his weapon. You get out of here right now. Yep. Yep. Tell your mother, I said hello. The thing rushed away, making a loud noise as it fled.

The incident shook the two men. That night, by campfire. The two highly experienced trappers determined together that the tracks they inspected, under torchlit view, were made not by human nor bear. The following day, the two men returned to camp after setting up traps. They discovered that the creature had destroyed their camp, as if out of contempt for their shooting at it the night before. The creature was nowhere in sight, but it left many visible tracks during its fit of rage while destroying their camp.

The two men decided it was time to leave. Alman left to collect their traps. His companion stayed behind to pick up camp. I will be right back. Leave out the stuff to make lemon drops. Omen returned to camp to find a horrible sight. There he found his friend's dead body, his neck was snapped, and there were four fang marks in his companion. marks in his companion's neck, terrified, and believing that the creature with which he had to

deal with was, something either half human or half devil, some great goblin beast, abandoned everything but his rifle, not halting until he reached the beaver meadows, where the hobbled ponies were still grazing, mounting he rode onwards through the night, until far beyond the reach of pursuit. Charge with my brother's kids or something. And that is pretty much what happened. Now I am drinking whiskey out of a dirty glass. profound effect on me. I wrote about it in my book, The Wilderness Hunter. Over 20 years later, I, Theodore Roosevelt, became the president of the United States. I signed legislation,

establishing national parks and monuments. I assure you that we are all shaped by our experiences. I often wonder what happened to that old mountain hunter. You, get out of here right now. Yep. Yep. Yep. Tell your mother, I said hello. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind, and it either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up, and that shocked me. They don't make people that big.

The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life They were screaming at each other in gibberish It sounded like a language And they were chuntering away back and forwards Back and forwards back and forwards I know what a bear looks like And there is no way on this planet

But what I saw were bears What are putting in? Jesus Christ, you betty. Yeah, see him! Get somebody out. out here. What's going on now, sir? That's sort of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a mail, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-uh. This is Shawnee and Lola from Utah. You're listening to Sasquod Chronicles. Go to your mother for me. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. You know, that filthy Tony Merkel from

the Confessionals podcast actually started this whole AI war thing by putting an AI version of me in one of his commercials, so I thought I'd return the favor. That full story, though, the bombing story, that's actually what happened in there, minus the lemon drops and a few other things that just make it more interesting, or made me laugh anyway.

But I hope you guys enjoyed that, and I appreciate you being here tonight. We're going to be chatting with Mike, and Mike comes to us from Texas, and back in 2020, he had all this weird stuff happen on his property, and he'll be sharing some of his evidence, and I'll kind of let Mike walk into this journey of the last four years on his property.

If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com, and if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Mike to the show. Mike, thanks for coming on. Thank you, Wes.

Yeah, and I wanted to ask you, you know, prior to 2020, when all this start happening on your property out there in Texas, what was kind of your feelings about Sasquatch? No, I never, ever believed in the existence of them. You know, I thought if something that big existed, it would have had to have either been in a sense. zoo or a museum many, many years ago. And for me, the abominable snowman was just a kid's claymation character. You know, so it never struck anything real to me. Yeah, well, tell me,

so in 2020 is where all of this kind of started. If you would, just kind of walk me into it. I mean, what was kind of the first thing that started happening and I'll let you take it away? Well, our house is 60 years old. We're out just outside city limits, and our backyard backs up to a vast forest. The only access to our backyard, where the forest begins, is through the front. And if someone came through the front, we would see them through our windows. And we do have no trespassing signs posted, and I'm often shooting my 45s and 50 caliber out on the back. to this creek, you know, the wall of this creek back there where it's safe to do so.

Because, you know, we are at such an end. And when I target shoot, it has, you know, put the word out that people are not going to come out here and hunt or snoop around, you know, and that's the way it is in Texas. They see you shooting. They're going to leave you alone. So the first thing we noticed when we moved out here, we had a bright light street light out. front of the house. And it was like, you know, a homemade mercury light that you can buy from Home Depot and just fasten it to a pole, you know, a four by four concrete it to the ground.

And it was at the front corner of the property. It was super bright. I mean, you could see it from any window inside the house when it would come on automatically. When it was, it was ugly and cumbersome. And I cut it down and plugged it. After that, I would say probably, oh, I don't know, six months to eight months later, we would start hearing hoops. They were very faint and distant, and we really just ignored them. We thought they were owls.

We received transplants. You know, they were either owls or they were dogs or, you know, you just brush these things off. And the first real thing that we could put our finger on was when I was out of town. October 2022, my wife heard a man's voice from outside of the house, outside of a glass door that we have attached to a room that comes through our car court, which is open at one end. She heard a man's voice say, And she looked around and thought maybe it was some type of freak acoustic or something or somebody's stereo or what have you, you know, we're right next to a pretty busy highway.

And dismissed it. Couldn't figure out where it came from. And then she heard louder the same voice, Hey. But she didn't see anyone, and it spooked her. And so she left the room and she stayed out. of that room and I talked to her about it. We tried to explain it as, who knows,

maybe a sound coming from the neighbor's house across the street or a stereo passing by or, who knows, you know, we just didn't give it much credence. I tend to think that's what everyone does with these things. They hear something, they see something, and they just brush it off. The logic dictates that you're going to find some, place to put it that it fits logically and, you know, brush it off. So that's what we did. Now around the end of April, start of May 2022, we both heard a loud hoot coming from the forest when we returned home from visiting some friends. And I looked at my life and asked her,

have you heard this before? And it was a clear, distinct, and she said, yeah, she's heard it before, of a sheep. I always figured it was, you know, an owl or some kind of animal or something. And we just shook our heads and thought, oh, okay, that's weird. Now, we had begun hiking at a park about 30 minutes south of us. And it's a state park. It's May 2020, we started biking out around there. And on the hiking trail one day, saw something up ahead and was. look, you know, we always look down the ground

to make sure we don't run across any you know, snakes or anything. And what it was, it was the torn off lower front legs of a deer and they were laying on the hiking trail side by side. Like they replaced there.

And there was no blood on them. There were no bugs or flies or anything on them. And you could look at the edges of the hide where the joints were and they were. And they were torn off. They weren't caught off with a knife. They were clearly torn off. And that's when I started wondering. I thought, what the hell is that? What would cause that? What would just tear the front legs off of the deer? If it was a poacher, they sure would leave them in the middle of hiking tree. So, then we just brushed that off too. Again,

time goes by. Now it's December 22. I'm out of town. It's about 10 or 11. That's not My wife hears loud footsteps, crunching in the backyard close to the back door next to our den. And she can hear these bipheeled, loud, crunching footsteps in the leaves. She looks out the window, it doesn't see anything. But there again, she's in the lit room. It's dark outside, so, you know, how are you going to see through that? Just brush that off. She figures, well, maybe it was a deer or something, because we do have plenty of deer.

at that time. We had possum, squirrels, raccoons, you name it. We had plenty of it out here at that time. I decided I'm going to, you know, build my own feed plot for deer out here. I set up a feeder. I took a jar of peanut butter. I heard that it was a great white little bit of where the deer up there. I took a jar of peanut butter, cut the bottom out, unscrewed the cap. Screwed the cap. about five feet up in air with some deck screws to a tree and then screwed the jar back to it with the bottom opened so the deer could get to the peanut butter. Two, three days go by. I decided I'm going to go check on the progress of this and see what I'm getting. If I'm getting any, you know, footprints of deer around it, how big they are and, you know, what type of activity I'm getting.

I'd already gotten a picture on a trail cam of a dough and her fawn with her. and I thought there's promise here so I go out and I check it out and the jar is unscrewed from the lid the lid still screwed to the tree but the jar is laying on about two feet off to the left of it

it's completely empty it's like someone had cleaned it clinically you know gone through and rinse this thing and scrub this situation and there was absolutely not any bit of peanut butter left in it

and I thought okay, well, maybe raccoon's got up there. And the more thought about the stranger, see, how could a raccoon grip a tree and turn the jar, remove the jar, empty every bit of peanut butter out of there, and not leave any at all whatsoever? That's very strange. So after that, I said, well, okay,

I don't know what did that, but that was weird. So I started just going down to store and get bags of apples. And I toss out a whole bag of apples, different placements back there around the feeder. You know, all about 10, 15, 20 feet apart. But I do the whole bag, probably about 10, 15 apples per bag. Dump them all out. Throw them out there. And check the next day and there's not a trace of an apple, not a piece anywhere.

And I thought, well, that's weird. you'd figure an animal would leave at least a piece somewhere of this, you know, Apple, but it didn't. And by this time, we've already been watching a couple more episodes of finding Bigfoot and hearing about these things, you know, about how people were gifting and so forth and et cetera and behaviors and what people were doing, you know, to lure them and research them and so forth. And I jokingly thought, well, all these things that I'm seeing and finding are pretty indicative that that's what it is, but I don't believe in its existence. So I half-heartedly did some calls. I got about three or four, you know, really loud calls like you'd see, you know, finding Bigfoot people do, you know, Cliff or Bobo do. I didn't think much of it.

I thought, you know, probably nothing's going to happen. and I look back at it now and I think that was a really bad. So two or three days later I go back out there to the feeder. And I'm wanting to see if I need to refill it with deer corn. And it's right next to a little stream. There's a creek in the back where we have. We have a creek it goes down and runs through the backyard. And I placed my feeder next to it.

So the deer would have a water source to come to further lure them, you know, to get deer, deer feed and, you know, have a nice hiding place. So I found what I thought was a nesting spot where, you know, they were bedding. And so I thought, oh, there's a chance. I've got them on camera now. And so maybe I can get it where I can just go out my backyard and hunt. So I'm looking around, seeing if the feeder needs filling. and I see a pile of bluish black seed-filled scat.

It's about six inches wide by three inches high, and it's sitting in the stream, where the water is flowing around it, which I think has probably reduced its size down. And that's weird. It was like a purplish black color. It was just chocked full of seeds. Like whatever had defecated this,

had eaten like five pounds of blackberries. And I thought, we don't have black bear this far over in East Texas. You've got to go further towards Louisiana, you know, several, several miles to get out that far. I was half tempted to take it and put it in a baggie and freeze it, you know, but I thought, no, my wife's not going to put up with that. So I didn't. I just left alone. Now, here it is, March. I'm back out of my feeder, checking it again.

And I'd come back, this was unusual. We'd come back from visiting some friends, our family, and it was about eight o'clock. It wasn't dark yet. It was just, it was just getting close to dark. But you could still see. You could still get around and move around, you know, quite easily. And I'm going down there,

and I'm going to see if I need to buy some more deer corn to refill it. I say, get right up next to my deer feeder. I hear a very low, deep growl, about 30 to 35 feet to my left near our creek from where I'm standing. And I looked around and I didn't see anything. The first thought was bear. some type of hostile protective mammal, you know, and I look all over. I look up and down everywhere. I don't see anything.

But I didn't get the impression that I needed to stand my ground either. I felt like, and I didn't hear a voice. There was no kind of, you know, mindspeak or anything that I could definitively say. I did have a feeling. Leave, go in the house now. It was like an instinctual, primal feeling after hearing this growl to, yeah, leave, get out of here. And that's what I did. I just turned around.

I didn't run. I didn't freak out. I just turned around and walked back up into the house. But whatever the heck that was, I didn't want to mess with it. And I'm not going back down there unless I'm armed. And like I said, we usually have deer, raccoons, possum, squirrels, copperheads, cotton mouths, armadillas, mice. But since around, I'd say, May 2020, there really was a huge reduction in all that. And in May 23, I caught a field mouse in our house.

I knew I was going to be leaving in a day or two. when I was going to be lucky enough to catch it, but I didn't want my wife to have to deal with one of those spring traps, you know, that leaves a mess everywhere. You've got to pull it up to get the animal out. So I bought one of these green plastic humane traps, which is kind of tubular, and it's about six to eight inches long, and about inch and a quarter in diameter, and it's got a sliding door on one end and a spring-loaded door on the other end, we caught the mouse in it, and I put it outside on a white plastic, three-tiered little shelf that we had that I was putting gardening implements on, and I put it on the middle shelf, so it wasn't visible from the top for a hawk to see

or anything like that, and it wasn't low enough near the bottom for like a squirrel to grab a hold of for any other animal to reach up there and grab a hold of it. It's at least two feet off the ground, so it'd have to be a pretty tall animal to reach up and get to that middle shelf and get it. I thought, well, I'll just put it here, and then when I come back, maybe it'll have starved to death

so where I can dispose of it some other way. So I put it there. I returned back from my trip to deal with this thing, and it's gone. But there's a single, two, inch wide by six inch long smudge mark in the mud next to it and I figured maybe a hawk just came down and grabbed it and flew off and that was where its foot or wing or something smeared the mud asked my wife I said did you take that trap with that mouse in there and

throw it away or something she's like no I haven't been out there to see it I haven't messed with it no that's weird okay so it gets weirder I'm mowing my yard on my riding mower. Before I mow my yard, I walked the entire property to pick up any type of paper or cans or trash to breed. It may be up there because I don't want to make a bigger mess with the mower or tearing up the blades. It was about two and a half weeks after the trap had disappeared that I'm mowing with my riding mower. and it's kind of like a horseshoe-shaped area that I start with the front

and work my way around to the back and then go in towards the inside part of the horseshoe and then come back out on the outside and if you can follow me on the shape. And on the third pass, on the outside, curve going into the backyard up against the forest edge, I've already mowed. I've already mowed probably about eight feet.

and I've got it on the lowest setting because I don't want to mow more than I need to. When I come around on a third time, I'm probably about 10, 12 feet from the edge of the forest. And I've already mowed over this. It's clear. But on the third time I come around, right in the middle is the trap,

and it's there. It's empty. There's nothing in it. I stopped the mower and I pick it up and I looked at it. And it's tall enough that had I ran over it with the mower, the mower would have destroyed it into a billion little pieces. I was like, well, that's weird. How on the hell could this be here now without me having run over it two or three times before?

That's not plausible. But that was kind of the deciding factor to me then that something was going on. something had to have, because of the traps design, because of the door that's spring-loaded at one end that you push in and the other door that slides up and then you slide it back down, because of its design, something had to have gotten that mouse out.

It had to have had an opposable thumb. It couldn't just be, you know, it couldn't be a burr, it couldn't be, you know, possum or anything like that. And it had had the dexterity and the strength to do so. So now after that, months had gone by. And I kind of had in my mind that, yeah, there's something going on. There's something intelligent with an opposable thumb.

I don't know what it is. I haven't seen it, but there's something going on. And I'm probably gone about one to two weeks out of every meeting. And I started noticing more and more often that things were happening more of when it was gone. And my wife was here. And she heard at least eight loud wood knocks occurring over an hour every five minutes close behind our house. Kept speeding up, getting more frantic, you know, like someone getting more frantic knocking at your door, wanting you to answer. and she said that the wood knock she was hearing

they were loud. It was like somebody beating a tree with a baseball bat and it was loud, frantic, they got harder, it got louder, as time when I end more frequent. And it went on for about an hour and she said she felt like whatever was doing it was trying to lure her outside, trying to get her attention to go out and see what the heck it was. And it gave her a primal fear of, feeling that she did not want to be seen by whoever, whatever it was, that she wanted to avoid windows at all cost. So she told me about this while I was on the road. I said, well, I'll look and

see what's going on out there, see what, you know, what I can find when I come back, if anything, and see if we can figure out what it is, if maybe it was some construction or something going on nearby or whatever. So I returned. I found an area on a tree, one of our trees, a big pine tree, that was rubbed smooth. And I'd sent you a picture of that

where the bark was either counted down by a rock or a tree limb. And there was also a one and a quarter inch diameter or pine tree limb directly above the smooth area that was snapped down and pointed towards the house.

and I had to cut the limb off. Pictures in that as well. Now, June 23, I decided to search the backyard. Just see what kind of things I could find, because by now I'm listening to other podcasts and so forth than yours. In hearing these people's accounts and what they're witnessing and what signs they're finding left over from these things, I found a tree that was ripped out of the ground,

the bark stripped off of it, the top branches, and thrown up into the fork of another tree, about 12 foot high, which I sent a picture of that. Other trees where they've been just snapped, broken off, six-inch diameter or larger, just snapped and broken off and folded over, several feet, anywhere from seven to 12 feet high. And June 2023, my wife heard multiple loud,

owl hoots while I was out of town. On my return, we both heard the same multiple loud hoots outside. But they didn't sound right. They sounded too loud, too deep, and too close to the house.

It's just strangest thing. It's like, just really weird. So I go out and I'm searching around and I found what appeared to be and I sent you a picture of this too. a dry-up footprint. It's mainly a heel. The heel is much deeper than the rest of the foot going up built towards the house.

And we found a strange-looking large sandstone-type rock with odd grooves in it. I'll need to take a picture of it. It was next to the tree that had the bark that was smooth. And I'm suspecting that that rock was used as opposed to a limb. Because I never found a limb, a bare, smooth limb. And you'd think if a limb has bark on it and it's hitting another tree with bark on it, that's going to soften the sound. It's not going to have the same baseball that type, you know,

clack that you're going to get from bare wood. So I'm of the mindset that they use rocks to hit trees with. But, you know, that could be wrong. What's weird is all the tree limbs that we've had that were broken were pointed towards the house. and from what I'm studying and finding out, that tends to mean something. Humans here, stay away from here, or something to do with marking territory, I'm not sure. But it's of significance in that it happens at other places, to my understanding as well. She's heard in July, she heard three hoops in succession that were coming from our next door neighbor's stoppon.

It was a loud loop and it freaked around. So by now, at that point in time, we're like, yeah, we're starting to really believe these things are real. We don't want to see them, but we have a firm belief. We then looked back retrospectively and noticed, yeah, we did smell skunk-type smells, but we never saw skunk. You know, we never saw areas where a skunk had dug. up anything or lingered around, but we would smell like a very strong skunky smell, and it would linger for a long time. And it was always in the evening. It wasn't like the skunk smell that you would get when you'd go down the highway and someone ran a more one. It was much, in some sense,

it was kind of milder, but it lingered longer. I don't know how to describe it. So we don't throw food scraps out like some people do and I no longer toss apples out to lure deer anymore. I haven't sleep into my feeder on time. The trail cam pictures that I'd gotten, I'd gotten a very few and what was kind of peculiar and I still don't go up with a woo factor at all is I could never keep the batteries charged up in the trail cam. I'm at the point where I still have the trail cam, but I'm going to buy a solar panel for it. Because I'd charge these rechargeable batteries up, and in like two to three days, they'd be dead.

You know, and I might get some pictures on there and might not. And it would usually be nothing, you know, just a bird flyby or something, you know. So more times gone by. Probably within this last instance, probably about six months went by. and my wife has a big garden she's got some hog panels that are put up in a tunnel formation and we grew

green beans in there and that way she could walk through and reach up with her hands and pick the green beans from inside the tunnel and it gives a shaded environment so you can cool off while you're working in the garden as well as have a way to grow your green beans

and keep them off the ground. At one point, let's see, I'm going to say, it was probably around September. The thing was just full of green beans. And maybe even later than it, but it was chock full of them, and she was going to go out and pick them.

And when she went out there, they were totally gone. Every last one of them was gone. And we had a little rabbit fence, you'd call it, just a little metal, foot and a half, two foot tall, kind of like a little hog fence, you know, but it's to keep rabbits out of your garden. We had that nearby going around the back perimeter of the garden to keep rabbits out. And we noticed there was like a V smashed down in one area right in the middle of that fence.

Something had stepped on it and crushed it. It didn't take it all the way down to the dirt, but it's like it stepped on it and then pulled it split up off of it. and stepped over it. Right in front of that, four okra plants had been ripped out of the raised bed. Now, anyone who grows okra knows that those stocks go very deep, they're very sturdy. You're not just going to go up and just pull those out of the ground unless you're pretty strong. And they were, what was weird was they were ripped out of the ground and they were laid side by side, all four of them. And the okra was pulled off of them.

Further over from there was the crowning glory, which I sent you a picture of. That is the big footprint right in the middle of the raised garden bed, which if I had any doubt before, is gone now because I can't think of any large human beings that walk around at night, barefoot, stepping in people's gardens, leaving big bare footprints. It's about a size, nine and a half, ten men's foot, but what's unusual about it is the heel is so deep. And you can see the whatever that section is in the middle that moves independently, that bends. You can actually see that. And the width of the foot is abnormal.

It's like if you've ever seen someone with extremely wide feet, this is much wider than that. So that sealed the deal for me. That told me these things are real. They will come on your property. They will tear stuff up. They will eat things. And we have not had any wildlife out here since all this began.

No deer, no raccoons, no possum. I'm down to about three squirrels and a bunch of small birds. That's all I've got. Lizards are gone, snakes are gone, everything. It's like it came, dwelt around back there at the feeder, depleted the resources, and then left, decided it couldn't get the attention from my wife that it wanted, and went on, thank God. We never saw it, but we heard it.

And we've got the physical evidence that left behind. but about a month ago, we were both in the house. It was about 7.30 or 8, just starting to get dark. And we heard a volley of several high-powered rifle shots going for about 20 minutes non-stop. And for years, we've never heard that before. So I know people do huge hogs, you know, when they get on their property and stuff. never had any hogs on our property. I've never seen any. But I've heard about people shooting wild hogs, you know. But this sounded crazy. This was like several men with large caliber

rifles firing nonstop for about 20 minutes. And then it stopped. And ever since then we haven't heard any hoops, any screams or anything like that. And my wife, my wife, life one day, when we started thinking it was a Sasquatch, one day she'd gotten online and looked at an aerial view between our property and that park where we found the torn off front legs of a deer. And she said it was like a corridor that was open, like a clearing, a big clearing that goes from us to there. And the rest is just a forest all the way around. And it sounds Like it came from that direction, all the gunfire, such. And we've also had the sound of helicopters flying overhead.

We're way, way off, away from highways. So it's nobody doing highway traffic reports or anything. Maybe they're flying around looking for meth labs. I don't know, but I haven't heard any helicopters either. So my thought was, yeah, perhaps it's, you know, what people say. the Department of the Interior or Parks and Wildlife Service. They get enough reports of these things. They hear about this enough.

They're going to go. They're going to find where these troops are. And they're going to wipe them out. Easier to do that than to try and cage and capture something or try to flush it to another area. That's my thinking on it. It could be wrong. But I do know from what we've experienced,

not normal stuff, but by the same token, I feel there are other people that have experienced the same things and they just brush this stuff off. Their mind can't perceive of the possibility

that these exist and so they will find a way to brush it off as I tried to until you get to the point where you're faced with a footprint and it's all you've got to contend with is the reality. man gunfire for 20 minutes nonstop is a little over the top do you think that they were just passing through or do you think that all this gunfire related to the fact that they're not there anymore i think that when males reach a certain age i think they get kicked out of the troop and they're sent off to go find their own territory by the alpha males as is what

most primate structures. And I think that that's what we had as a juvenile, a curious male juvenile because of the size of the print and because of its interest in trying to lure my wife outside. And I don't think that there were more than one. I think it was like a roe or one juvenile that was kicked out. The other sounds that we hear usually would come from a different area, often the distance or further.

And I think that they tend to stay mainly in that part because there's no hunting allowed. There's a huge number of deer there and other resources, and there's an hour of operation that allows them to be there not bothered by humans. I think that when there are enough complaints or virus, or mention of them. I think that that's when

these people get out there and take care of their business and get rid of them. I almost forgot to tell you, my wife used to hike there. And before we went hiking together, she went hiking by herself and told me later about

that she had been paralleled by something while she was hiking and it scared her. She didn't see anything, but she heard it. It was mimicking her steps. along with her. And she had her earbuds in and she took them out. She could hear it over the earbuds and she took them out and pretended that she didn't

notice that or hear it. And she didn't want it to know whatever it was that she was on to it. And she just calmly got herself out of the woods into the car. And she's never hiked by herself again. Yeah, you hear that behavior a lot from eyewitnesses, you know, being paced out. When I stopped, it stopped. When I moved, it moved. The weird part about those encounters, I can tell you, after intervening so many people,

I'll say 90% of the time people never see it. I'll ask them, you know, how far into the brush do you think this thing was? And I'll say, I don't know, five feet. But they never see it. But they hear it. You know, every time they step, it mimics everything they're doing on their way out. I wanted to ask you about the trail cameras because you hear. this a lot, and I don't think the Big Four world's really caught up on this. People will set up,

I can give you many examples of people having these things on their property, and they'll set up cameras, trail cams, that sort of thing. And not only do the batteries drain, but there'll be people who set up these trail cameras around like an area where they're leaving food or gifts or whatever, and they're trying to get a picture of it. And you hear it time and time again that, A, they never get a picture of anything and B, the camera dies or there's blank spots in the camera. And a lot of people will go, you know, when you listen to that, you go, well, maybe it's a bad camera. Maybe it's bad batteries or I've had the same people go get a brand new camera and the same thing

happens where the camera's either dead or there's blank spots where it should have taken a picture and there's something wrong with the camera. To me, that's very suspicious. You hear that in a lot of ghost encounters. And I was curious because you experienced this firsthand. What's your take on that? I always just figured I'd just bought in the cheapest big box store trail cam and it was just junk.

And I didn't give the batteries a full of charge, you know. Maybe I got a bad batch of rechargeable batteries. But when it's every time, it's just, it's just inexplicable. You just don't know what's causing this. Why is it going out so fast? And why is it that the pictures that I'm catching are garbage? You know, they're blurry, they're black.

There's like a bird flying across the lens. There's nothing clear. There's nothing that makes sense with it. So I've moved the trail cam over to aim it towards the garden. And so hopefully, you know, since we know something came over there and stepped in it, hopefully that'll deter it from coming in. But, you know, I'm going to switch to a solar panel power source for the trail cam and see if that doesn't help it. I did notice that it seems to slow down the activity when you put lights around the area that you don't want them to come into, motion activated lights, which you can also buy cheaply. seller-powered, stab them in the ground, point them where you want them.

The woost, I don't believe in the woost. I don't believe in the moose, I don't believe in the mind-speak, but it is unexplainable. Yeah, I wanted to ask you, you'd made a comment about how everything had left your property. You know, the lizards are gone, the insects, you know, the snakes, all wildlife is gone off this property. And to me, I find that very odd. Not that you would say that, but because that gets reported a lot. And people come to the conclusion of like, oh, well, it must have eaten everything. Maybe.

I mean, you've been around for a while. Do you think that that's odd? Because if you had like a major predator, let's say a grizzly bear on your property, everything isn't going to leave. No, no, I find it very odd. we used to have loud bullfrogs at the stock line. And that even during that time, that disappeared and got totally quiet. It's just recently started coming back. And that's what I noticed recently started coming back were like three squirrels.

Three oddly black squirrels instead of the usual colored ones that we had. brown ones, but just a few squirrels. The whole family of possums was gone. The whole big family of raccoons were gone. No deer prints down in the creek, no deer coming around. It was to the point where the deer corn in my feeder was so undisturbed that it went moldy and spoiled. I had to dump it out because nothing was coming down there to it to that deer corn feeder. snakes, nope, we used to have copperheads, bar moxins, and

nope, not anymore, whatever. I think that they come through, like in this instance where I believe it was a juvenile male, I think it came through, depleted its food resources, and then let somewhere else. I don't know that they necessarily migrate with any type of pattern or a consistent, to repetitive returning, but in that I think that they just use up resources of an area, and then they go to another area, either close by or further away, and deplete those resources. And they may return when they feel that the resources have been enriched again to that area.

But I hope it doesn't come back. Yeah, I want to go with the theory that it's some non-human primate we haven't caught up with and ask you this. Let's say it came through some sort of, again, non-human primate, it ate everything in sight in your area, and all the wildlife is gone. And now you see it returning. You see the bullfrogs coming back. You see wildlife coming back. And it's coming back pretty quick. You know, when you look at conservation, I don't think wildlife would come back that quick if it went through and ate everything, which makes me believe that everything just left, all the other wildlife just left when this thing was in the area.

I mean, it's obviously just a theory, and I don't know any more than anyone else, but it doesn't seem like it would come back that quick. Exactly. Yeah, it takes a long time, I would say, a couple of years at least, you know, because they've got to come from somewhere else, and then they've got to reproduce and, you know, have to be right if it's vegetation for it to continue growing and you know other animals and insects and so forth so yeah it could take a couple of years for it to come back I do think that like I said I do think that they inhabit the wooded

state park nearby because that is so vast it's so large and there's so many areas there's a there's lakes in that to give them you know fish mussels, water snakes, waterfowl, all the food resources and foliage that you can imagine, plus coverage and an area to hide as well with lots of trees. And since it is operating hour regulated type thing, they know when the humans are not there. So they can just freely go about their business. That's what I think. Yeah, it could be. I'm looking at the picture you sent me of the footprint in your garden. That's a pretty good track. I'll post all of your pictures underneath this episode on Sasquatch Chronicles.com. After all these experiences, what do you make of the fact that you and your wife never saw the creature? I mean, you have plenty of physical evidence that they were there. But what do you make of that no one saw them? I think that they know, especially since we're near a highway, I think that they know to act stealthily at night.

Although when it came out and returned the trap to me, I think it was almost like a gifting action. You know, like, thanks for the mouse. Here's the trap. Bring me some more mice in the trap. And that was in broad daylight at the morning. But I'm just glad I didn't see it run out there and put the trap down and then run back to where it had been hiding from me. I'm just, I don't want to see one, I really don't.

For the most part, though, I think that they come out at night would use the cover of darkness. Because of the placement of things in our garden, I think it was using the night, the cover of darkness, to dig around through there. And I think it was one of its last ditch efforts for acquiring resources to sustain itself before moving on.

Could be, because it really hadn't touched your garden up until that point when you were kind of noticing all the wildlife was gone. You know, I ask everyone on the show, Mike, what do you think Sasquatch is? And I'm curious, after going through all this stuff that you and your wife went through and some of the evidence you've collected, what's your take? What do you think Sasquatch is? well scientists are always uncovering new species almost daily throughout the world whether it's insects or fish or what have you i think this is just a primate that is so strong and so intelligent and clever in its elucidness that it hasn't been captured

Has it people haven't managed, how would you manage to capture something that strong, that powerful? After seeing the things I've seen, you know, these trees six inches or larger in diameter, just snapped, you know, at the top. How would you do that? I don't see a way, you know, I don't see how someone could have a facility to keep one trapped in. I think that it's a a primate probably somewhere along the line of a proanthropus it's older than man

and I believe that because it's evolved to the point where it doesn't need to evolve anymore. It doesn't it doesn't need to cook its food it doesn't need shelter even though we get well below zero sometimes in the winter it doesn't even utilize weapons as we know it. It's just

that tough, that badass, but it doesn't need to evolve anymore, much like sharks, and alligators and crocodiles. And I believe they're older than us as well. And I think

that there are certain entities in our government that fully aware of them have taken them down. They know more about what they are than normal citizen layman do. But they know there's no way for them to

really deal with them either any more than we could. And I think that as we're encroaching more and more on habitat, building more and more subdivisions and businesses, et cetera, et cetera, we're reducing that habitat that they've been hiding in so successfully for so many years. These things have lost a lot of their habitat. at. So there's a lot more sightings of them, a lot more encounters with them, and it's only going to increase. Someone had proposed that there were perhaps only around 2,000 of them in the U.S. in order to sustain the minimal number of them.

I think there's a heck a lot more than that, and I think they're reproducing. And probably within our lifetime, someone's going to smack one with a truck. and in our instant day of filming with cell phones and dash cams and body cams and trail cams and cameras on light post we're going to eventually

uncover it but it's going to take a body it's not going to be done everyone's going to say oh it's CGI oh it's a guy in a suit oh it's this or this until they get the body they're not going to definitively be able to know what it is.

If we go with the theory that it's some ancient hominid that we haven't caught up with, you mentioned parenthesis, which I believe comes from South Africa. But if it is one of those things, and we know it existed because we have skeleton structures, we have evidence that it was real at one time, why would there be a need for the government to cover that up? Why would there be a need for them to come in and start killing these? these things? I think that they inhabit, they're smart enough to inhabit parks, usually state parks, places where hunting is banned or heavily controlled, forbidden, so forth. So that gives them

free access to hunt. And especially if they're heavily populated with deer and all of the animals that they must, you know, resource from. as well as vegetation foliage. And if you'll notice, the largest numbers of missing people that David Polites will show all have a tie-in to these parks. I think that they're probably the key responsible parties for that.

I think that people go off in these parks by themselves or they're not careful when they do go with others and they drift away from the group. I think that they're easily grabbed, taken off by the things. And if there are any remains of them left, it's likely that they're buried under a pile of brush or rocks, what have you,

or consumed completely, not leaving anything behind. And I think they may be on. to that. I think that the government entities over those areas are well versed on that possibility or fact, whichever.

I think that they know that they would be held accountable in a legal sense if it were revealed. If they marched one out and said, oh, they're omnivorous and they're violent and they're short-tempered

and we feel that they're may be responsible for the deaths of people in parks, state parks and what have you. Yeah, thousands upon thousands of lawsuits would be filed, and it would break that system. Let me ask you, and I'm not breaking your balls. I'm just, I want to understand your point of view. If my brother is killed in the Gifford National Forest by a cougar, I couldn't go to Washington State and be like, hey, you guys didn't tell me these cougars kill people. I mean, no courts ever going to hear that. You know what I mean?

It's a good point. It's a viable argument as well. But they may have built this premise many, many years ago prior to so many tort claims that they're just going with what they've established many years ago. Just keep the people quiet on it. Just keep them uninformed, keep them in the dark as much about it as possible. maybe there's a religious component maybe there's a

general panic and chaos component that the military and government see you know if people were to realize this you know exist they can declare their own open season on it you'd have a bunch of

gun token bubbles out there not knowing what the hell they're doing a lot of chaos people getting shot don't know I'm not exactly sure. I do know that if you talk with people in those agencies, their first and immediate response is always the same.

Oh, there's no such thing as those. Or you ask them, have you ever seen anything? You know, just tell me, you know, man to man, just have you ever seen or heard anything like that? No, they won't tell you. You know, it's like they're, it's like they've had a meeting, you know, like they've been versed and told, hey, don't talk about that. We don't want to scare people. We want people to come in.

We want them to fish. We want them to hunt. We want them to hike. We want them to camp. We don't want them scared. You know, there's a lot of money here at stake. Same for the logging industry. You know, I just think that there's a lot of people with money involved that are keeping this superiors.

suppressed. Yeah, I don't disagree with you on the fact that it's being covered up. I think where you and I disagree is on why, but, you know, I don't know any more than you do, and you could be 100% right on why it's being covered up. You know, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing this four-year span of your life, Mike, and it fascinates me because you went in with the mentality of like, you know, this is all BS, and you slowly start to realize, oh, that's what's going on on this property. And I'll post your pictures and everything that you sent me underneath this episode. But thank you again, Mike, for coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you.

I appreciate you having it. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. and if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com you can become a member and get additional shows.

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