Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1034 The Boston Bar Creature

Episode Date: February 24, 2024

Luke writes "My sighting happened in British Columbia Canada in a small town named Boston bar where I was staying while I worked. This was maybe 2012-2013,I love the outdoors always have hiking camping anything outdoors I would do it. In the town I was staying in there where a bunch of side roads that would go up into the mountains where you could get to the top and walk the trails near the snow line. I wanted to check it out so I drive up there. I park get out and start walking this trail at the base of the snow line I see deer tracks moose tracks and as I'm walking I notice that these deer tracks have bare feet next to it following them. In my mind I'm thinking your crazy for walking up here bare foot. I didn't even consider the size of the prints at the time. But as I'm walking I'm noticing it's super quite which is weird and I start to feel very uneasy like I'm being watched. So because I'm alone I decide to head back to the car and I leave. I didn't go back up there for maybe 3-4 days finally I get the day off of work and I go back up this time I bring my buddy Dave with me. I park in the exact same spot as before when I get out Dave even notices how quite it is I told him the same thing when I came up 3 days ago we start walking and we get to this small hill on the road and I notice again these deer prints going the same direction as where going as we get to the top of this small hill this rock goes flying past me and Dave it went past us like a fast ball being thrown. I'm like what the hell was that no sooner do we stop talking we can hear this deep deep guttural growl coming from the tree line now this tree line is thick and very hard to see in so we couldn't see anything Dave is nervous and I'm starting to shake a bit cause there's cougars up there and grizzly bears. My biggest fear seeing a grizzly or a cougar so as where standing there we start to hear it again this time there's a huge knock coming from behind us about 60 feet away now where really starting to panic cause now there's two of whatever it is I have the flight or fight starting to happen but I'm to scared to move so Dave says to me we need to move like now as we start to move slowly back towards where we came we hear the growl again this time it sounds closer then before now I'm really scared cause whatever it is is now on the move. We start walking at a good speed and we can hear these heavy foot steps in the tree line walking at the same pace as us. So now I'm starting to shake and panic is setting in. Dave is white as a ghost scared out of his mind. Where about maybe 4 mins from the car I'm out of breath at this point trying to catch my breath cause I don't wanna stop. Another rock goes flying past us from behind this time so Dave stops and yells if someone is messing around if I catch you your F**king dead as soon as he says that this growl came from those woods that was so heavy and deep I knew this wasn't someone messing around with us I turn my head to see how much farther we had to the car when I look I can see this dark black figure standing at the tree line by my car now where maybe 30 feet from the car this thing towered the tree it was standing next to. It looked like a hairy body builder it stood there for maybe 20 seconds and then it walked past my car went down the side of the road and was gone you could hear whatever it was that was in front of us in the tree line walking away the thunderous foot steps where so heavy it was breaking tree limbs as it walked the second we got the nerve to run we took off towards my car got in and took off down the hill me and him both didn't say a word to each other the whole drive. I always believed in Bigfoot but never in my wildest dreams did I think I would ever encounter one. Since that day happened I never go into the woods or hiking unless I have two or more people with me it scared the hell out of me that something that big lives in the woods."  

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Care? See you. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That son of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right here. Hey, everybody, this is Tony Merkel, host of the Confessionals. Also, I am the founder of Merkel Media. When I am not working, I like to enjoy a lemon drop. My name again is Tony Merkel, and you are listening to Sasquatch. Cut, cut.

This isn't the biography channel. Merkle, you got about 12 seconds to speak. Do you have any questions? Yeah, I have a question. How much time do I have? Okay, good. Let's roll again. Take 100. This is Tony Merkel and you are listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Luke. And Luke comes to us from Canada. And back in 2013, he had an encounter in Boston. Justin Barr, British Columbia, where he describes your creature cutting him off from the path, and he wasn't sure if he was naked out of there, but it's a pretty fascinating account, especially the creature's behavior. I'll kind of let Luke go into that.

If you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. you can become a member and get additional shows. Tomorrow night I'll be interviewing Catherine and Anthony. Anthony is a veteran. He was a sniper in the military. And they had an encounter out there in Yelm, Washington, on their property.

And I'll kind of let them go into it. But Anthony also shares his time in the military and has a very strange story from Afghanistan and giants. I hope to see you tomorrow night. night. Let's jump into it. I want to welcome Luke to the show. Luke, thanks for coming on. You're very welcome. Thank you for having me. Yeah, and you had an encounter back in 2013 out there in British Columbia. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you doing? And what happened? I moved originally to British Columbia because my grandmother wasn't well. And she, unfortunately,

passed away a little while after I got there. But I had gone there with everything that I had and I had no way of getting back. So I decided I'm just going to try and make it out there and work and do whatever. So I started jumping from job to job and I ended up in this small town called Boston Bar, where I was working at a place called Hellsgate Air Tram, which was just off of the TransCanada Highway. So I was living in Boston Bar and I met a bunch of people there and they would tell me about going up to these side roads like these mountain side roads. And they would do hunting up there. And at the time I didn't hunt.

So when they would invite me, I would, you know, I would decline because I don't hunt. But I am an outdoorsman. I do fishing and stuff like that. So one of the guys told me that it's beautiful if you go up there and go for a walk. It's not that far off the snow line. So he gave me the directions on where to go. So one day I decided to go up and it took me about, I'd say about 15 minutes to drive up to get to the line of where the snow line meets the road. So I pull over and I park and I got out and you can tell there was nobody there.

Nobody had been up there for quite a while. There was snow on the road, very light snow on the road, but there were no tire treadmarks. So I already knew. I was like, nobody's been up here. So this is great. I don't have to worry about, you know, my car being damaged or anything. I start walking. And as I'm walking, I get maybe five.

10 minutes into the walk and I started noticing deer tracks on the road and I was like, oh, wow, this is cool. Like, I'm deer. I was like, this is awesome. As I'm noticing the deer tracks, I'm starting to notice footprints as well. And I kind of stop. I'm like, hold on. Wait a minute.

Who in the hell would be up here at this elevation in bare feet? I kind of looked around and I noticed that the deer tracks go down the road so I kind of followed them a little bit and I noticed that the footprints were still following I got a little nervous because I was like if somebody's up here with bare feet

I was like I'm by myself I don't have anything on me to protect myself if anything happens I'm like I'm not comfortable here but as I turn around to leave I notice that everything is dead silent there's nothing like you can't hear anything normally um you would hear birds or you would hear like the odd eagle or you know anything i heard nothing it was dead silent and that made me really

uneasy and i felt also like i was being watched um i don't know it just it you you get that feeling sometimes when someone kind of stares at you you can feel them doing it and that's the feeling I was getting. So I kind of, you know, scurried back a little bit. And I was paying attention to my back just in case. I got to the car and I actually phone my one of the guys that I know. And I was telling him about this. And he was like, just leave, man.

Your best bet is just to leave. So I jumped in the car and I left. Three, four days later, I meet up with a couple of guys. and they told me that they saw the same footprints about 20 minutes, 25 minutes down the road of the same area that I was two weeks prior. I got super interested and still scared though. And I asked one of my buddies, Dave, and I was like, dude, you want to come up with me just to go for a walk?

And I just want to check something out. So we did. We go up. And mind you, at this whole, the whole time, this like even before all this happened I always had an interest in Bigfoot always I knew something I always knew there was something about it that makes it real um so I kind of I didn't think those footprints were of that at the time because I wasn't really I didn't really think about that I should have probably um but yeah so I knew about it already so anyways he uh he

comes with me we go up there and I park not in the same place I park a little further up just because it was still snowing up there and it was I didn't want my car in the same spot because it was a little bit of a ditch but anyways we get out of the car we start walking and he turns and asks me he's like why did you want to come up here so I turned to him and I said listen I saw deer tracks up here and I also saw footprints as well following the deer tracks and I kind of wanted to come back and see if I can see that again or see if anything else has happened since the last time I was here. And he looked at me like I was crazy, like absolutely crazy. And I said, I get it. I know it sounds crazy, but just bear with me.

And we start going and we're walking and walking. the deer tracks have been covered with snow now and same with the footprints they were covered with snow we didn't i didn't see any of them which was kind of a shame because i kind of wanted to to see them again but as we're going towards the the little hill that you see at the end of the road all of a sudden i get that feeling again that i'm being watched and i look at dave and i'm like Dude, do you feel that? Like, I feel like I'm being watched. And his face is kind of, I don't know how to put it.

It's, he's almost scared, but he's, it's almost like he's uneasy. Like, he can feel it too, but he doesn't want to admit it. So we get going a little bit further. And again, I feel like I'm being watching. And now I'm really starting to get scared again because this is the same feeling I had the last time. And I don't know what happened, but all of a sudden I hear this deep,

guttural growl come from the left of me. And there's like a tree line, and it's very thick as it goes up. Just going straight in, it's just dead thick. You can't see in there. And yeah, I just hear this deep guttural growl.

Like, I don't know, whatever made it. Have you ever heard, a lion, do that deep roar when it's calling out for its pride. That's exactly what I heard. And it was just absolute, like, fear. And I didn't know, I didn't know what to think. I didn't know what to do.

It's almost like that subsonic frequency thing. Like, it just froze me to the point where I couldn't move. I was petrified. And Dave was the same way. I looked over at him and he was just white, like pale white. I looked at him and I was like, dude, we got to get the hell out of here. Like whatever this is, we got to get the hell out of here. It does not want us here, whatever that is.

I thought it was a cougar at first. And then I thought maybe it would be a bear because that sound was too deep. And bears are like the only thing up there that can make a growl. that deep. So I told him, I was like, yeah, we got to get the hell out of here. So we kind of just started walking slowly. And I hear this wicked tree knock come down from the far left of where we just came, like where we had come from where my car was.

And it was just this hard knock. Like it was as if something took like a full tree and just smashed it against another tree. Like it was so deep. And it happened about three or four times. And then it stopped. And I looked down to my left as I'm trying to see where this is coming from. And now I hear that growl again.

So that's when I told him, I was like, let's go. We got to go. We start walking. And as we're walking, we hear these steps. and they are so deep and heavy. And it's like it's following us as we're walking. And every time we stop, it would stop. And then we would start moving again.

And they would start again. And it was the way it was walking, it almost, it's like it was walking with a force. Like it stepped on everything. Like it didn't want, it didn't care if it was quiet. It didn't care if it was,

you know not not being heard it wanted to be heard it wanted to be known so we continue walking and this time like i'm now i'm really paying attention to what's happening to to in that tree line like i'm not taking my eyes off that tree line and the walking is just getting faster and faster and faster and we're picking up our pace as it's getting faster and i'm thinking in my head i'm something's going to happen, I'm dead. Like, that's it. My life is over. Whatever it is, it's about to attack.

Because it felt like it was starting to, I guess, charge or get into a full attack because of how fast it was running or how fast it was getting into this run. And I turned away because I was ready to book it. That was, I had enough. Like I had enough. My stomach was turning. I was starting to feel sick. And as I go to turn to run towards my car, which is quite a ways away, this thing just lets out this wicked growl again.

And then the running really starts. And as it's running, it's busting through any trees that I can step on, anything like that. And I look towards my car. and I see something standing just outside the tree line almost behind my car, but not completely behind my car. And it was just black. And I thought maybe it was just shadows because there's a lot of areas up on that mountain that don't really get much sun because of how thick the trees are.

And where my car was parked, it was parked over to the side where the tree line was. So it was in shade. So that's what I assumed that it was. But it just looked funny to me. It didn't look right. But I was more worried about what was happening next to me, opposed to what was happening in front of me. I keep running.

Dave's there. He's staying end to end with me. Like he's not stopping. And all of a sudden, the running just stopped. And we stopped because we were like, it just it just stopped what happened we didn't hear it nothing and i looked back towards my car and now i noticed that there is something standing there to the corner of my car and like i'm getting goosebumps just trying to just thinking about it it's that man i hated that

i hate the thought so i'm i see it and it Had to have been in the high, like maybe 6, 6, 6, 7. Massive, massive chest and shoulders. It almost looked like a bodybuilder with hair. And it was wicked big. Like it was, again, 6, 6, maybe 6, 7. The tree that it was next to, I knew it was tall because it was, its head was right where the first branch started on the tree.

And the first branch was pretty high up. I'm six foot and I couldn't even touch the branch that its head was near. And it kind of just stared at us. And I didn't want to move because now it's right where my car is and that's where I need to be. And now it's in the middle of where I need to be. Like it's stopping me from getting there. And I'm watching it and it's watching me. And it just lets out this scream.

and it barrels itself back into the, into the tree line. And I can hear it going up the mount, like I can just hear it going up the trail. It goes up and then that's it. It's just done. I didn't hear it again. I didn't hear it anymore. And that's, I booked it, got to my car. I jumped in and I took off.

And that was literally, I looked at my rearview mirrors. I didn't see anything. But that was it. It's like it came and gone. Yeah, that's a scary account, Luke. And from listening to you recount it, makes me think it sounds like it was almost like blocking you from getting to your car. That's what it felt like. Now, when I saw those, when those, when I saw those deer tracks, I'm assuming that it was hunting.

And maybe I got in its way of hunting when I went back up because there's a lot of deer up there. and a lot of moose. So I don't know maybe if when I got up there and I was following the same trail that I thought the deer tracks were on, maybe I was messing up its hunting and it was kind of giving me a warning to leave. Yeah, it's hard to say, Luke. I mean, you could be right. You know, when I very first read your email, I was thinking, oh, there's multiple of these creatures kind of walking this guy out. But, you know, listening to your encounter, I mean, the one that was stalking you or pacing you out took off running up ahead.

And, you know, it's hard. Do you think there was more than one there? Yes and no. Because when originally my mind was racing and I was paying more attention to what was happening next to me with the footsteps when it was running. But then when they stopped, this one appeared. at the end of my, right by my car. So I could be wrong, but I think maybe there was two. And the main one that was following us was the one that was doing the hunting.

And the one at the back by the car was the watcher. Yeah, it could be. You know, as you were heading out and you look up and the sayings in your pathway, it's blocking you. I know that you don't know and I don't know. But why do you think it didn't attack you? I think it didn't attack me because it knew it could tell that I was more scared than aggressive. And it kind of knew that it kind of felt that, that I wasn't there to start or hurt anything or hurt them.

I think it was just, I think it didn't attack because it didn't perceive me as a threat in any way. Yeah, and you could be on to something there, Luke, because your reaction really was one of fear and not so much. of like out of my way I'm coming. You know, I'm trying to get to my car, get out of my way. You didn't really react in a way to provoke a fight. But, you know, having said that, that shows a lot of intelligence on these creatures' part. If that's true, and that's why it didn't attack you, the fact that it was able to, you know, see what was going on and there was no need to really press this further.

To me, that shows a lot of intelligence. And you know this from growing up in Canada. you know, a cougar blocks your path or a bear blocks your path and your eye to eye with it. And it's probably going to come for you. It really doesn't care if you're afraid or if you want to fight. Either way, it's coming. Well, that's it. They don't, like, cougars and bears, they don't, they don't have a reasoning.

Like, they don't, they're not, they don't think about it. If they're cutting you off, they're there to attack you. That's, that's it. But these, they just wanted me gone. Like they didn't need to attack me to get me to give me the signal to leave. What they did was enough. And your buddy Dave was there with you while all this was going on. Makes you wonder what was going through his head.

Yeah, he was there. He didn't say much. He was more, he was more terrified because when I looked over at him, he had he had the cold sweats like he he was like white as as a ghost um i think he was more in disbelief because i don't think he really i think he was a uh a skeptic towards these things so i think for him seeing the seeing you know the one by my car and hearing the one following us on the side i think he was in more of like uh um like a panic than anything else Like, he didn't say anything.

Like, I tried getting him to say something, and he refused. Like, I didn't even see him after I, after we got back down the hill, I never saw me. And he never talked to me. That was it. And Luke, did you and Dave drive together, or was he in a separate car? No, he was in my car. He came up with me in my car, and I had dropped them off down at the little gas station in town where he had parked his car. And I said, like I just said to him, I was like,

give me a call tomorrow and he didn't say nothing to me. And that was it. He blocked my number and I never heard from him again. Yeah, it's hard to say. I mean, sometimes people react that way and I think it might be shock. And who knows, maybe Dave wanted to forget that ever happened. And the easiest way to forget it ever happened is to never speak to you again because you were there. I wanted to ask you, as you guys were walking out and this thing is pacing you, how

far into the tree line do you think it was? It was about, okay, so when I was on the road, the road wasn't very wide. It was wide enough for one vehicle. That was it. So I would suspect maybe it was 15 feet from the road. Now, there was times where I thought, I can't say for sure, but there were times where I thought I could see it moving through the trees as it was walking and as I was walking, but I'm not 100% sure.

It could have been my mind playing tricks on me at the time. But I know it was about 15, 15, 20 feet into the bush. And as it started picking up speed, it started getting closer and closer to the roadway, which is why I thought immediately that I was dead. Like it's going to kill me because it's getting closer and closer. So I'm assuming that it getting closer to me, it was scaring me away by, getting closer? Yeah, I don't think your mind was playing tricks.

I think it's pretty close. You may have gotten glimpses of it as it was pacing you out because I know you said that was your main concern, not so much of what was in front of you. But when you stop and you kind of look up and now there's something in the trail ahead of you, I wanted to ask you how far away from you was the one now that you're seeing? and would you describe it? What kind of stood out to you about its appearance? So it was about when I had finally really realized that it wasn't a shadow,

I was about maybe 35, 40 feet away, so I wasn't that far away. But the major thing that made me realize that it wasn't a shadow anymore was the fact of the size, the sheer size of its chest and the width of its shoulders. its arms were fairly long. They weren't really like they didn't go down to its knees. It wasn't like that long, but they were long enough. It had almost a human-like face, really dark hair, but when it got towards the top of its head,

which was kind of like a crest, like a gorilla crest, it got to almost like a cinnamon brown color as it got higher to the top of its head. But its eyes, you could see, I could see its eyes. I could see that it was looking at me and it was focused on me and on Dave. And they were like yellow. And that's the only reason why I knew they were focused on me because I could see the yellow. The legs were just massive.

The thighs were huge. You could see the muscle mass through the hair. So the hair was dark, but it wasn't thick. it was, I guess, thin, but you could see the muscle through it. And that's when I knew I wasn't looking at a shadow any longer. I was looking at an actual person. I don't know what else I can say. It would look like a person.

Were the eyes glowing or was it just kind of a yellow color? No, no, they were just yellow. They were just yellow. They didn't glow. It wasn't like eye shine or anything like that. They were just solid. They was just like straight yellow. They were a piercing yellow though.

Like it was one of those ones that when you looked at it and it looked at you, you could tell that it was looking at you. Like it really was looking at you. Prior to this creature screaming at you, did the facial expression change at all? Not really. It almost, I think it was looking at me. kind of trying to, I guess, figure out what I was doing there.

Like it didn't, it didn't look aggressive. It wasn't looking at me in an aggressive manner. It wasn't looking at me like it was happy or sad or anything like that. It was just like a facial. It was just a dead facial like nothing. It had no expression, no nothing. But it was focused on me. So I guess it was trying to size me up in a sense, trying to get

idea of what it was that I was up to. Yeah, kind of that stone face. A lot of eyewitnesses describe. And it's scary account. What if I frightened me, how did this kind of affect you after this encounter? Oh, so since then, I refuse to go anywhere would like alone. I don't go anywhere in the forest or anything alone, even in Ontario, because I know there's encounters in Ontario.

I don't it just changed my whole perspective like I get when people say they don't believe in it it's because they haven't seen one or they haven't you know they haven't had any kind of an encounter or hurting any sounds or anything but now I 100% firmly without a doubt in my mind that they are real 100% real and it scares me it's fascinating but it scares me that there's something out there that is double the size of us that is so stealthy that it can move around you without you even knowing. Yeah, it's very eye-opening makes you want to go back and take the blue pill instead of the red pill. I know you'd mentioned that you were into Bigfoot before and you kind of had a interest in the subject. And I'm sure you've seen the Patterson Gimlin film and other things, you know, but when you actually saw the creature, Was it what you expected to see? It wasn't what I expected at all because a lot of,

so when you watch the Patterson and Gibbler and the Gimlin film, that one there, it was a female. And the way it had walked, it was hunched over as it was walking. This one was not hunched. It was standing dead straight up. The monkey face, I don't, it didn't really have that kind of just, it looked almost like a half human face and half monkey face. Like I didn't, I've seen other videos and I've seen, you know, documentaries and stuff.

And the faces that they show are more monkey like. This was literally like half human, half monkey. Yeah, that's a fascinating part when you talk to eyewitnesses because they'll describe the face. some people will say it looked very human-like in the face, even to the point of, you know, you cut the hair off this saying, put clothes on it, and it could pass as a very large man walking down the street. And then you get other reports where people will say, you know, was somewhere between a man and a chimp. It's fascinating to me the eyewitness descriptions of the face. You know, as you and I were talking yesterday, Luke, I was telling you, I've had a lot of reports

come out of this general area in British Columbia. And, you know, I know if you head south from Boston Bar, you run into Hope, you run into Yale. But where I've had some of these reports come out of are west of North Bend. And North Bend and Boston Bar, BC, they're kind of the same place, aren't they? Yeah, they are. If you drive into Boston Bar, there's like a little gas station there. And if you make a left, you kind of follow the road down and you actually get to the small reserve, which is known as North Bend. Yeah, I know they're not, I know they're not the same place, but I know they're right there next to each other.

But for the audience, you know, if you keep heading south from where Luke is at, you run into Ruby Creek, you run into Harrison Hot Springs. And you have to forgive me, my geography isn't the best as an American. but if you had west of basically where you were at, you're running to Harrison Lake, which I've had a lot of encounters happen in between these places we've mentioned and basically as you head west towards Harrison Lake. The area where you had your encounter, Luke, have you ever gone back? I did go back about five months, I would say about five months,

I would say about five months because I had to I had to literally get the nerve to go back like it I had nightmares about it like I it was really bad but I went back about five months later and I actually went with a guy who was going hunting up there and the interesting thing about this is when we went back up there there was massive trees that had been cut down and they were put into these piles going down the side of the road and the these clearings and they were burning them. They were doing a big brush fire. So I'm assuming they were cleaning them. They were cleaning out the dead trees or, you know, they were doing something. But when I saw that, I thought in my head, I said, maybe they also thought that I was part of this. Because this is clearly not the first time that this kind of brush fire thing has happened. And I thought maybe they, in my head, I was thinking maybe they were protecting

the woods, not hunting. It was two different ideas I had in my head that either they thought I was a woodsman coming there to cut down the trees and they were trying to protect their woods or they were hunting and I got in the

way of that and I made them angry. I don't know for sure, but those are the only two things that I could think of that would set them off against me and Dave, I guess they figured maybe we were there to do something wrong and they were trying to protect whatever it was.

Yeah, I want to back up a little bit to the very beginning prior to this happening. You had found those footprints up there. And I was curious, how big were the prints? And what was odd about them? Obviously, beyond someone not having shoes on. So the footprint originally, so I wear a size 12. this had to have been maybe 15, a size 15, because when I had put my foot next to it as I was walking,

it over, it overgrew my foot. Like there was nothing about my foot that was going to match that. But it was just weird because it almost looked like it would, the way the footprints went into the ground, it almost looked like it was walking with authority. They were deep, deep in the ground. They followed the deer. so they knew what they were doing.

And they just, they just, they were wide, like really wide. So when I put my, when I put my boot next to it, it trumped my foot. Like my foot looked like a child's foot compared to the width and the length of these feet. But I didn't really clue into that at first because that's originally what I thought. I thought it was just somebody up there walking around bare foot. foot, which I thought was crazy, or I thought it was a hunter. It was just nuts. But yeah, those feet, they were huge.

And it just felt weird because it was just weird how high up they were. Because that snow line, it was warm down at the base before the snow line. And as soon as you got up to the snow line, it was cold. So immediately that's the other thing I thought. I was like, whoever this person must be freezing. but I had I didn't inspect the footprint. I didn't look down. I didn't get down and look at it to see if there was like, you know,

if they were fake or if they had dermal ridges or anything like that. I just, I kind of just got nervous because that's when I started feeling like somebody was watching me when I started actually paying attention to the footprints. Yeah. Surprisingly, I've had a few hunters do this, but, you know, when I hear of people finding these tracks, And those are pretty big tracks that you found.

I almost wonder how many people just brush it off and go, oh, that's weird. Some guys up here without a shoes on and kind of leave it at that. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, I'm obviously, I guarantee I'm not the only one. But there is a native reserve, I think it's called Shahalis. And they're firm believers in Sasquatch, like firm believers. So I'm pretty sure that if I would have went and told them about this,

they probably could have given me more information about it. But I didn't even think to go talk to anybody about it because I figured everybody would think I was nuts for telling them, you know, I went up to the snow line and here's a 15 inch track of a bare foot. And, you know, people are going to think I'm crazy. So I didn't talk to anybody. I didn't say anything to anybody. I kept it in my head. Yeah, I could understand the way you feel, Luke.

I wanted to ask you, you know, if you had the chance, would you want to see another one? Absolutely. I would love to see another one. The fear obviously was there. And if I saw another one, the fear would be there. But it would be amazing to be able to see another one. Yeah, I would absolutely want to see one again. Yeah, a lot of people feel that way.

regardless if the encounter is terrifying or not, most people will say yes. You know, when you were looking at this creature, and you had mentioned, you know, it looked kind of human, but it was kind of monkey-ish in the face. If you had to go one way or another, do you think that it was more on the human side or do you think it was more on the animal side? I think it's more human. I firmly believe it's a I think he it's an underdeveloped human I actually had I was actually

talking to my girlfriend last night about actually coming onto your podcast and I was telling her about one of your podcasts where you spoke to the military guy that he shot it out on Lake D I think it was I can't remember I can't remember his name

But he was a military guy and he was sent out there to shoot something and he shot it dead. And then all these white cars and everything started showing up and, you know, disposing of the body and whatever. And I was telling my girlfriend about that story. And she was saying, I wonder why the government is trying to keep it a secret. And then she told me something. And it actually sounded very interesting. And I wanted to tell you because I want to. get your, I want to know what you think about this.

But the government is based on, the government is based on religion as well. If one of these bodies were to come up, that would destroy the whole thought of God creation. That would mean that we did evolve. We did come from monkeys and we did evolve. And these just happened to miss the evolution. Like that would shatter religions if a body was actually to come up. it would stick a nail in the coffin and it would it would be a it would we would now be saying that we were we evolved like I don't know I just when she told me that I was like that it makes sense because what what other reason would the government need to try and hide these and keep it a secret yeah well I could think of a few reasons why they would but no I mean it's a fair answer and it's a fair response It kind of makes you stop and think.

I mean, I'm not really a big fan of evolution, the evolution theory, but I do buy into adaptation. But it is a fascinating theory. It makes you kind of stop and think. Yeah, it's, yeah, I just, like when she told me it at first, I thought about it. And I thought it was interesting because, I mean, I don't know of any other reasons why every time, you know, something gets discovered. It gets picked up by the government almost instantly. like they come, they dispose of the bodies, like they don't want people to know about it.

And I've always, I've always wanted to go into like investigating more for Sasquatch, but it's, it's hard because I don't know where to look. I don't know where to find any research people. I don't know, you know, I don't know even where to begin.

The only thing I have is my encounter to, to prove that it's out there. Yeah, I think most of the time they find you, you don't find them. but the purpose of looking for them is the reason behind that, like what we talked about before, you just kind of want to see another one?

It would be, it wouldn't even be to see, yeah, it would be to get more information on them. Because they're very elusive animals. They, like, do they live in groups?

Do they, do they, are they rogue? Do they travel alone? Do they, like, you know, how I know they make nests when they when they sleep or when they're I guess in the mating seasons and stuff like it's just there's so many things that I would love to learn and know about them that doing investigations and going out and learning about this stuff with the you know the potential of seeing one another one would be it would be great for me it would it would really give me more understanding it was which is what I want

Yeah, and I understand the way you feel for sure, Luke. You know, normally I ask people, what do you think Sasquatch is? And you've kind of already answered that question. So for my understanding, you think it's something human, not quite human yet, but kind of in the process of evolution on becoming a human. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, it's, I find, I think it's like if, if this evolution, if this evolution thing is real, which we don't know whether it is or not. But if it is, I think it's something that missed the evolution.

Like it didn't evolve. But it's been keeping itself hidden away and just, you know, surviving this entire time, you know, making other, you know, mating and then having other Sasquatches and just kind of, you know, continuing the life cycle of these things. I just, I firmly believe that they have more human qualities than animal. Yeah, and I want to go back and ask you a question, Luke, about your evolution theory. You know, when you look around the world, you'll see these creatures almost on every continent, and everyone has a different name for them. In Russia, you have the Olmas, in China, you have the Yeti. And if you read the modern day reports and translate it through Google,

Google, you would think that that happened where you and I live in North America. Basically, people are describing the same thing. I'm not so sure that the United States is so focused on religion and worried about, you know, the downfall of Christianity. You'll hear politicians talk like it's important to them, but they're probably some of the worst human beings on the planet. But when you get into like China and Russia, I'm not so sure that they have those core beliefs of Christianity. Do you think that it still has to do with the evolution theory as you go around the globe? I mean, do you kind of think all these countries are in bed with each other? I don't think everybody's in bed with each other on the same thing.

I find some, there are some countries that like if you, if you. If you've seen some of the documentaries where they interview some higher people in those countries, some of them have actually embraced it. Like there's certain countries that embrace the fact that they have a Yeti or an Alma or, you know, some creature that a lot of countries have embraced it. A lot of them, I guess, try to keep it a cover up and they try and keep it a secret. But I don't think they're all in bed with each other. I just think there's something that our countries are trying to do to keep it under wraps while you look at other countries like Russia or the Ukraine and stuff like that where they actually embrace the fact that they have one. There's some countries where they have laws against even harming one because that's how much they're embracing and they believe that there is one. Yeah, you're right, Luke. I believe Russia passed a law saying that the omas weren't endangered species. And I think that you've been put a lot of money towards science, trying to research them and really look into it. And I love your opinion on it. You know, when everyone just agrees with me, there's no point in having a conversation. So I like when someone has a, you know, an opinion that is completely.

opposite of the way I think. And I really wanted to ask you and kind of pick your brain on this, you know, when you get these reports of weird things going on in people's encounters, you'll hear glowing eyes, you'll hear this mind speak. Sometimes people see weird lights around where they had an encounter and just really weird things going on. And I used to brush that stuff off and be like, oh, you know, that person's crazy. And if it's only one guy saying it, go, well, I'm sure there's, you know, that guy's nuts. I'm sure there's medication for what he has. But when you hear it from multiple people and they're very consistent on what they're saying, and the fact that it's not only in North America, but it's around the world, I get your feelings

about America why they're trying to keep it under wraps. But when you look into a place like Russia, for example, or China, why do you think? think that they haven't been able to catch up with them? Why do you think it hasn't been brought out to the forefront yet? I think because they're just as elusive. They've, you know, they've been up there like, you know, in the, in the mountains, the Yeti has been up there for so long and has managed like they have white fur so they can, they can adapt themselves into the snow where you can't see them. I think they've learned to do what ours in Canada and the United States has learned to do. It's learned to adapt to its surroundings and make sure that it's not seen and it's only seen when it wants

to be seen. I mean, you can put as much money as you want into research or put as much money as you want into trying to find one just to prove that it's real. And a lot of people, a lot of countries, government, stuff like that they have, but they've come up empty handed. So I think it wants, when it wants you to see it, it will let you see it. Yeah, it's hard to argue that point, Luke. I mean, like I said, I think that they find us more than we find them. But, and it was a scary encounter. I mean, I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share this with us. and your thoughts, you know, on what you think Sasquatch is and why it's being covered up. And the beauty of disagreeing with someone is you might learn something, you know, sit and listen to a different point of view.

And my thoughts and my ideas on this whole thing might seem stupid to some people. But, you know, it's good to hear other points of view. And again, man, I really appreciate you coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you, Luke. Hey man, I honestly, I've, I've been listening to your podcast, I think, since the start of 2023, when I was just randomly looking and I found it. The intro, so I had a quick question for you. In your intro, you have a guy right at the beginning who says, like, he stuck his head

in the deer blind and I don't know if he smelled me or anything like that. Like, is that one of your podcasts or is that, because I, if it is, yours. I would love to hear that one. And same with the English lady about the Sasquatch that was just kind of skidding across the beach. Yeah, everything in the intro is from my show except for the 911 call and that was from Ron Moorhead. He came on and kind of explained what happened in that call. But the hunter you're talking about I believe as episode 620 with Winston and

the English Lady is Claire, and that was episode 515. So I hope that helps, man. And I really appreciate you listening to the show. Hey, man, I love your show, dude. It gets me through my days. It's fascinating. Even hearing some of the stories, it gives me goosebumps because I feel like I'm encountering it with them at that point.

Like, your show has been amazing to me. Like, it's opened up my eyes to so much more. I love it. you need to keep doing it, please don't stop. Thanks for the kind of words, ma'am. No problem, man. I really appreciate that you even took the time to talk to me. Thanks again, Luke.

And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Tomorrow night, I will have Catherine and Anthony on from Yelm, Washington. I hope to see you guys there. Until next time, everyone.