Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1040 The Wooly Man

Episode Date: March 16, 2024

I will be welcoming Edmund to the show. Edmund grew up on a farm and he had seen the creatures a couple of times. He said "I was a kid in 1978 and I was not afraid of them until it came to my window." It was looking through my bedroom window, and it scared me so bad I got up and ran into the living room. I was home alone with my cousin, who was asleep. As I was looking out our living room window, there was another one standing up on the hillside nearby. These two absolutely instilled me with fear. The previous one didn't scare me a bit, but these felt malevolent." Edmund he said "It would flip it's lip up at me and I could see it's teeth. The teeth were like ours just much bigger. My mother later told me that she was aware of them being on the property."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six of a bear. This is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Uh-uh. This is Shawnee and Lola from Utah. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Edmund. And Edmund comes to us from Central Kentucky.

As a young child, he had a couple sightings on this farm he grew up on. and Edmund said he kind of knew what it was because the locals and even some family members would talk about the woolly man of Kentucky. You know, whenever they saw this creature, they would just call it the woolly man. And after his first encounter, he really wasn't scared. He just knew it as the woolly man. And all that changed the night the creature came up to his window. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Edmund to the show. Edmund, thanks for coming on. Oh, you're more than welcome. It's my privilege to be here with you. The pleasure's mine having you on.

and I know we're going back to 1978 to about 1982, 83, around that time frame. And you're out there in Kentucky on this farm. If you would just start from the beginning, how did all of this start? And kind of walk me into what you saw, what you experienced. Okay. Well, you know, I was in the third grade. And, you know, when you're in a third grade, you know, Valentine's Day parties and stuff are a big deal. but we had got snow and we lived at the back of a gravel road.

It was five miles to the nearest blacktop. And we were on a dead end. So we didn't go to school that whole week. And I walked just probably 200 yards to my neighbor's mailbox and put their Valentine's cards in it. And as I was turning around, I noticed these footprints in the snow. And I mean they were huge. You know, I don't know measurements from that time because, you know, you're a kid. You're just like, wow.

But the thing that got me was they were one right in front of the other with about, I would say, six foot between, you know, the stride. And I went back up and I was like, Mom, I've seen some weird footprints. She goes, oh, it's probably just a deer. I'm like, I don't want to see a deer that looks like that then. Yeah, and I would imagine in third grade, you know, you're not thinking Bigfoot. you're probably as a kid wondering what's this big man out here, probably thinking human, doing without his shoes on. Yeah, yeah, I was definitely wondering, like, you know, I know they can't be the neighbors.

And plus, they were headed towards a wood line. And 200 yards inside this woodline, there is a cliff system. It's called Buzzard Roost, and it goes for a couple of miles. And it is full of caves and cliffs and just all kinds of stuff like that. several Native American burial mounds there. And it's just, it's, the place has an amazing history. In 1969, the University of Louisville uncovered a seven foot tall Native American skeleton. And it's still in their, uh, their university, uh, museum there somewhere.

Yeah, there's been many reports of giants being pulled out of, uh, Kentucky giant skeletons anyway. I know there's a, you know, you find these tracks and we're going to kind of walk into the first time you saw the creature, but did all these incidences, all these events happen on this property? Yes, and around it, like I said, it's nothing but woods. And there are things I'm going to tell you that, you know, I just come back to my memory and through listening to some of your episodes, it made sense. Because we would find trophy-mounted, you know, trophy-style buck deer just laying there with their backs broke and a leg missing. And everybody where we lived would get mad.

They were like, why are people poaching these dears and just leaving them? And this went on the whole time I lived there. In 1980, we had just put a new house in. And I was playing with my dog in the yard. And, you know, we'd always throw the ball, throw a stick or something. and he would always come back and jump on him in with wrestle. He was about the only friend I had at the time. And we were playing in the yard, just, you know, your typical normal spring day.

And I fell backwards. And when I fell backwards, you know, you're kind of looking back right there in the woodline. I saw this massive creature. And it just, it shocked me. It didn't scare me. I was like, wow. And it just kind of looked at me like, I'm glad somebody's having a good time. you know, and it just, it didn't look mean.

It didn't have a hateful look on it. It was just kind of curious and almost happy looking. But my dog did not like it. It turned and ran the other way. Not a Yelp, not a bark, not a nothing. And I didn't see him for a day or two. He went and hid. But this creature was kind of a cinnamon-looking brown, and its skin was brown.

And it was very, very majestic. It almost emanated pride in itself. And when it turned around and walked back into the woods, it just did. I mean, you know, it's like nothing affected. It just turned around and walked away. Like, yeah, seen what I need to see. Time to go. How far away from you is this creature, Edmund?

At the most, 25 feet. It's almost like your dog knew something you didn't know. If you would, would you describe what you saw? What stood out to you? Well, it had the widest set of shoulders I had ever seen, and it had a conical head. But the face, it was very human-like. Even down to the nose, the bridge of the nose,

it was not wide and flat. It looked very human. But you could see underneath the hair, and it definitely was hair. It was not a fur. you could see the muscle definition. And, you know, you've heard people describe things that look like Chebacca or something like that. Well, it kind of did, but it was like Chebacca's bigger, bigger brother.

And the thing about it is, when it turned around and walked away, I didn't really hear limbs or anything crunching under its feet. And, you know, there's a lot of underbrush and stuff through where it was at. but for about the first five or six steps, I felt it because I was still laying there on the ground. I'm getting cold chills right now. I'm thinking about it because it was just an amazing thing. And when you're a kid, you don't realize, man, I just saw something nobody else ever sees. Did you get a sense that it was male or female?

It was definitely male. you know, that was all there in the forefront to be seen by everybody, and it just, he was just huge. And his arms, they were, I'm picturing it right now in my mind. He could have took his fingertips without bending over and put them right down below his knee. That's how long his arms were hanging down. And I know that you're just a kid at this point, but I mean, did you know what it was? I mean, did you know what you were seeing? And did you tell anyone?

Oh, yeah, I've told everyone. Everybody in my family, I've told all these stories. And I was, you know, I have known about Bigfoot and Sasquatch my whole life because there was a couple of older people in our family would tell stories about it, you know, when they were kids seeing stuff like that. and, you know, some of them had bad stories to tell, and some of them it was like, you know, it was just something we knew was around. It didn't bother us. We didn't bother them. In Radcliffe, they call it the woolly man because they thought it was a homeless woolly man

that lived in the woods right outside of Fort Knox. There's a little river town called West Point, Kentucky. and that's where these older women seen it when they were children. You know, there was no major thoroughfare through there, and it was right by the river. Yeah, there's no doubt a lot comes out of Kentucky for sure. On this particular day, did you run back and tell your folks about what you had seen? Yeah, I told my stepdad, but he, you know, leave me alone. I'm busy.

You know how that goes. They didn't believe me. I was just a kid with a big imagination, but, you know, I've always been a type person. I'm going to be as honest as I can. And if you believe me, you believe me. If you don't, there's nothing I can do about it. Yeah, I'm always amazed by parents because I've talked to a lot of kids off the air. And, you know, if a kid said, hey, there's monkey man's coming up to my window at night.

And I know you kind of went through that. We'll go through that event in a moment. But I'd want to know what was going on. I'd want to know who's at my kid's window and what are they seeing, what is going on? And a lot of parents just kind of brush it off, which I don't really understand nowadays anyway, because of so much information. Back then, I can kind of get, you know, your stepdad's reaction or your mother's reaction to this. But if you would, just kind of walk me into the next event. Okay.

Well, later on in 1980, we were walking over to our neighbor's house. We had a big garden. It was in between our homes. And, you know, it was probably 15, 200 yards between the houses. And we were walking over there like 8 o'clock at night because we'd go there and they'd play bluegrass music. And we heard what I now know, well, at least to be referenced to, was a how like the Ohio howl.

And I mean, it just, you know, I was like, I know what that is. And they're like, oh, no, you don't. Just go on, go on. Scared my mom to death. It scared me to death because it sounded very close. And later on that summer, my stepdad and the neighbor were coming home from somewhere. I think they had been to a horse auction. And they saw something crossing the road, and neither one of them would talk about it.

I mean, they just, you know, they didn't want to talk about it, what they saw, they saw. And, you know, they were, both of them were scared. I could tell they were scared. I was thinking to myself, I know exactly what you saw. But we lived, like I said, in the middle of nowhere, and we had an old pole light that was about 100 yards away from the house, and it lit up the area very well. One night I was sitting in my room and I was looking out my window,

and I saw these two what I know now to be orbs. I didn't know what they were then, but it was two balls of brilliantly white light, just dancing around the trees. maybe 10, 15 yards away from my window. And it was like they were playing with each other. And I know this sounds crazy because, you know, a lot of people don't, unless you see it, you're not going to believe it. Yeah, I think that's how all humans really are.

And, you know, Edmund, when people would describe these weird balls of light on their property, this is like many years ago, I'd be like, I don't know about that. You know, I've been hunting my whole life. I've never seen balls of light that people are talking about. And then I saw it. And then I filmed it. And you kind of felt like a jerk afterwards. You're like, man, I wish I would have kept my mouth shut about booing this because there it is right there. Not only did I see it, I filmed it.

I know about a year and a half later, this is about 1981, maybe 1982. Tell me what happened. At this time, my parents had went on a motorcycle trip. They went up through Maine, through Canada. So me and my cousin were left there at the house, basically by ourselves for about a, I think it was like a week and a half. But of course, you know, you grow up on a farm. You learn to take care of yourself. You learn, you know, pretty self-sufficient.

And, you know, there was always something in the woods, something going on. And we were always in the woods playing. But the night I saw the white Sasquatch looking through my window. If you were standing on the ground and you measured up to the top of the window, it would be between nine and a half and ten feet. And this thing was looking down in the window at me. And it took up the whole window. I could see the expression on its face because the...

The pole light was, as I was looking at it, was to his left, and it was illuminating him on his left side, and I could see. And it just, he just instilled fear in me. And my little cousin was sleeping in the same room with me, and I grabbed him. And we went into the living room. Well, if you look out in my living room window, it looks up on a hill, and there's a wood road there that went to our hog ponds. there was another one of the same size looking down towards the house. And I've never been so scared in my life. And these were white.

They had the conical head. They were very muscular. But their skin was a kind of a dark, ashy gray, leathery-looking gray. And it just stood out so much relief against the white. It was just, it was crazy. But they did. They scared me to death. And through this time, as I said, we had a big hog pen.

And we started, hogs were coming up missing. And that went on through that summer. I don't think after that summer we ever had them missing again. But thank God, I never saw those white ones again either. Lord have mercy. Yeah, your description for how high up that window was, that creature is huge. And I'm kind of wondering why this one frightened you and that first one didn't. But before we go into that, would you describe what you were seeing as you were looking out the window?

Yes. You know, where the brow ridge is, he was pulled down like he was just, he was really scrutinizing what was going on. But he just, it just radiated and mean. and he would flip his lip up, and you could see a little bit of pink and you could see, you know, the gumline and the teeth. His teeth, though, were more blocky. I didn't see any canine-looking teeth. But he just, he was not happy. I don't know what it was.

But when you see something like that looking in your window, you know, it's time to go. That's why I went in the other room. and I went in there quick because I was scared to death. If he had wanted to, from where he was standing, he could reach through that window and grab me right off my bed and there would have been nothing nobody could do about it. This white one that you're seeing, did it appear to you to be more animal-like or more human-like? This one looked more animal. You know, it didn't have the well-defined nose. His nose was kind of flat.

and his cheekbones were more flat. They weren't as, like on the first one I saw, he had really high cheekbones. This one didn't. His face was different, completely different. I wanted to ask you, Edmund. I know you'd heard about Sasquatch kind of growing up, and you had seen that one with your dog, but these having kind of a different appearance,

a slight different appearance anyway. Did you still know what it was? Were you like, oh, this is still Sasquatch? Yes. I knew it was something along those lines, but I had never heard of a white one. And that's what kind of threw me, but there's no other explanation for it. Yeah, I always wonder in encounters like this, what is the point of this behavior? Because like you were saying earlier, Edmund, I mean, if it wanted to reach through and grab you out of that window,

and take off, no one was going to stop it. And again, I know that you don't know and I don't know. But what's your take on that behavior of this thing coming up to your window and kind of giving you the stink eye? You know, we could speculate all day on it, but I just don't think this thing was happy with anybody being where they hunt. And there hadn't been much activity around the house because, like I said, my parents were gone.

and at dark we were inside, you know, we weren't hanging out outside. So I think they thought, you know, the coast is clear. I'm going to go up here and look and see what's going on in this house. That's the only thing, just their curiosity. And then when he saw somebody in there, I don't think that he was ready for it. And by a he, this one was definitely a he as well. Yeah, I always say if you see one, there's probably another one nearby. and it couldn't be more true than in this situation, Edmund.

And I'm fascinated that this one other one was kind of off at a distance. And you probably said in the beginning I may have missed it, but how far away from the home was the other one, the one up on the hill? Yeah, it was from the window that I was looking out of. It might have been 30 yards, between 30 and 35 yards. Yeah, that's scary, man, especially with your folks being gone, and it's just kind of you and your cousin there. The appearance of these two white ones, did they kind of look the same? Yes, the one that was in the window, now this is just my perspective from looking, it looked to be taller than the one that was standing up on the hillside.

Not by much, but it was a bigger individual. home. Yeah, and situations like these, you know, where people have these on their property, eventually the creature will make its way up to the home. The very first one that you saw, you described it being hairy like Chabaca, and these kind of had a very different appearance to you. What were the differences between the first one that you saw and what were kind of the similarities beyond size, of course. Well, the appearance, you know, like I said, the facial, there was no, how do I put it, resemblance in the face.

And the white ones did not look majestic. They looked aggressive. They were, had their shoulders kind of hunched forward. You know, they were. we're in a posture of if anything goes down, we're going to take care of it. And the other one was like he was just strolling along. You know, he didn't have a care in the world.

You know, this was his world, and, you know, there's nothing going to bother me today. And the white ones did not give any kind of semblance to that. But they, I don't know what it was about them, but they instilled fear in me. I mean, just they didn't vote. localize anything. There was no slapping or there was no aggressive moves, but that just filled me with fear. Yeah, it's scary and fascinating at the same time because when you listen to people talk about their encounters and what happened to them, you start to find weird little patterns.

For example, let's go with like a housewife and her husband is a long haul truck driver and he's gone for like three days. days, the minute he's gone, these things will come up to the home. The minute he returns, they don't come up to the home anymore. It's weird because in this situation, you and your cousin were there alone and your parents were gone, then they decided to come up. Did they ever come up to the home again after this? Not that I can remember, because about a year later, we sold the farm. parents got a divorce and wanted, you know, to split and sell everything so they did. But later on that year is when I saw the juvenile black one. We had a place right down the road from us that was a big sand pit, you know, and that's where we would go with our tonka trucks and everything else, dirt bikes, we'd get down in that pit and play.

And the dogs went crazy. they had something in a brush pile, and we went to investigate it. But you just got the feeling when you were headed towards it, you know, there's nothing here to see. Just go. There's nothing here to see. But we could see it looked like the best way I can describe it is a black chimpanzee. We didn't get a good full-on facial view of it because it was hunkered down in the brush pile. but it was ever a bit of six foot tall, and it had to be at least 250 pounds.

But we got the feeling, you know, and my cousins felt us too. There's nothing here to see. So we just went on back to the house. And, you know, like you say, where there's one, there's probably more. So there's no telling what would have happened if we had pursued it. It's kind of weird how you guys were getting that feeling of like nothing to see here. Did the creature run off? No, no, not while we were there.

And again, the dogs disappeared for a day or two. So something may have scared them. But it was making like a Keenan sound. No, I can't even describe it. But it was scared. You could tell it was scared. From where I was, I was a side view of it. I could see the side of its head and its,

shoulders down to its knees the way it was. It was almost like it was sitting on its haunches in the wood pile kind of trying to turn away from everything. Yeah, it must have been a juvenile or a younger one because I think a larger one would have just killed those dogs.

You know, you guys turn around and going home, was it kind of the fear of the white ones you had seen before? No, we were just I guess we were just done. And, you know, that feeling of just, you know, there's nothing to see here.

It persisted until we got out to the gravel road. I can remember that like it was yesterday. So once we were out of the area, you know, nothing else was thought of or we just went on home and went back to doing what we were doing up there. And I know you're with your cousin. What did your cousin say? I mean, was there any sort of conversation about this? Did you guys ever talk about it? Oh, yeah, we still talk about it to this day.

You know, he can't believe some of the stuff that went on out there. Last Halloween, we had a big Halloween party, and we were talking about, he was like, remember the time we saw that little black Sasquatch? I'm like, yeah. You know, and people looked at us like we were crazy, and he's like, I wonder whatever happened with that. I'm like, I don't know. I said, you know the stories of all those places out there. And you mentioned that your folks had sold that property, that farm. I know you still live in the area.

Have you gone back there? Oh, I go out there all the time. Yeah, go out there all the time just riding around. And I was telling my girlfriend one day and we was out there riding around about the white ones. And we were coming around a curve and she thought she saw a glimpse of something white moving off into the woods. Yeah, I often wonder a lot of times when I talked to I, witnesses. And you hear accounts. It's like they're passing through. And then you hear other accounts where they're actually living on their property and they never leave. After all these years, 40 some odd

years later, did you ever talk to your parents? Do you ever talk to your folks and been like or your mother and saying, hey, you know, I actually did see what I saw. Do you think she knew? Yeah, my mom knew. My mom has got dementia now. She's in a nursing home. But she knew. She more or less told me one time she believed me because she grew up in a real, real area too. And there's always stories about them from there.

But, you know, sometimes people just say, I don't want to hear about it. And you didn't see it because they don't want to think about things that they might have seen or had done in their past. Yeah, I want to pick your brain. for a second. You know, that first one that you saw was very different than the, the two white ones, not only behavior, but kind of how they looked. And again, I'm asking your opinion. I know that you don't know and I don't know. But do you think that they were in a different group, the white ones, as opposed to that first one that you saw? Or do you think that they were all in the same group and they just kind of looked different and acted different.

My opinion is, I think the white ones were transient. I don't think they were there a lot. But there were places where we would ride horses that the horses would not go. And it always, you know, would piqu my curiosity because where the horses would not go, there were trees broken off about eight foot up, you know, just broken off. lean down, you know, where you break them off, they just hang there. And the horses would not go past that area. Yeah, I think it's really interesting when you look at animals' behavior when these things are around.

Like your dog, you know, every time these things are around, it's like I'm out of here. I want no part of this. And I almost think we could take notes from our animals. And even your horses, as you just mentioned, I know when I spoke to Bob Gimlin, you know, he talked about before they saw Patty, their horses were starting to act up and they couldn't figure out what was going on with the horses. And you hear that in many encounters as well. You know, 40 years later and kind of growing up in this situation, how did this affect you? Well, in the way it did.

I mean, you know, you learn to not be so skeptical of everybody. You know, if somebody tells you they've had a weird experience, you know, kind of are more open to hear what they say. And you might be a little more sympathetic when things really get to them, you know, because you can tell. I mean, there are things that we're talking about today that I haven't really thought of in years. And it just, it brings back the old feelings and it's, you know, gets you kind of shaky and really affects you.

There's so many things. And, you know, what really got me thinking about all this again, we went camping with some friends and we're all musicians. We were sitting around playing music and just having a good time. And my buddy says, hey, I'm going to make a Bigfoot call. And I'm like, oh, here we go. And the area there is known. It's a mile away from the Ohio River.

It's really well known for sightings and things. So he makes this call, and we really didn't hear too much. And then about 20 minutes later, we got an answer back. And I mean, it was loud and it echoed through everything. And this was just about a year ago. And he went back out there. And we were talking about it. It's been about two weeks ago.

We were talking. He said, I'll never make a howl like that again. He said, I'll never call again. Because him and his girlfriend went out there, well, it's his wife now. And they were just out there collecting rock. and looking around. And he said, all of a sudden, I got overcome with fear and something pulled a tree up out of the ground. And he said, I've never been this scared in my life. He said, I didn't see anything. He said, I don't want to see anything. But he said, I've never

had so much fear go through me. He said, we got on a four-wheeler and got out of there. He said, but I'm never going to make a Bigfoot call again. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I used to joke around with Cliff and Bobo. They have a podcast called Bigfoot and Beyond, and they were on that show finding Bigfoot. And when we very first started becoming friends, I would kind of joke with them about, especially Bobo, this, you guys are calling these things. What are you going to do if one comes in? I mean, what's kind of the plan?

I mean, Moneymaker's not going to take it down. what's kind of your guys's go-to plan if one shows up? And it's shocking. I think for a lot of people when they do make a call and something responds, I wanted to ask you about the lights that you saw. You know, because as I was telling you before, I was real skeptical of the lights until I saw them, which is a pretty arrogant viewpoint to have. But in the light that we saw, and I filmed it if you want to watch the video, it was a, blue light, but it was, I filmed it through night vision, so everything has that chrome green color. But the light was just kind of chilling above the river. It wasn't that big, a little bit

bigger than a softball. And it was weird seeing the light because I got the feeling, and I'm going to sound crazy saying this, but I got the feeling like it was alive, like it was watching us as much as we were watching it. And you hear about the light. on people's property when they have a Sasquatch around. It's a coincidence that shows up a lot. Sometimes people will say, well, it's a ball of lightning. A ball of lightning is a pretty rare occasion. I mean, there's a hell of a lot of ball of lightnings going on for the amount of reports of these weird lights that people are seeing. I wanted to ask your opinion on the lights. What do you make of it? What do you think that they are?

Well, it just, you know, amazes me that both of those lights were white. And a couple of nights later, I see two white Sasquatch. I'm not saying that there's a element. Oh, how should I put this? Well, you just, you know, you can't take anything for granted because, you know, you never know. There might be something that they do. It might be how they move. round because, you know, there's so many different opinions on what they are and how they move.

I'm not going to say anybody's is wrong or anybody's is right because we'll never know until it's time for us to know. So I do believe they're in correlation with one another in that instance for me. Yeah, it is interesting that you saw the two balls of light. Then shortly after that, you saw two white creatures come up to your property. And I don't know if they're related or not. It's a coincidence that shows up a lot. You know, if one person says, hey, I have Sasquatch on my property and I'm seeing these weird lights, you could go, oh, that's strange. I'll kind of look into it. But when you hear it over and over and over and over again, that people are seeing these lights and Sasquatch, it makes you wonder what is actually going on.

What's your take? What do you think Sasquatch is? Well, I know we are all, and this depends on people's religious beliefs. I believe that we are all created by God. And to think that he could not create something other than us would be very arrogant. when we don't know their purpose, we don't know they could have ties to the Nephlam. I've heard those stories. But then again, there are some of them that could be here as watchers, you know, just to watch and see how things go.

But I do know the ones that I saw were definitely in that moment, flesh and blood creatures. whether they can teleport, transport. I do know this. For a fact, I do believe that they can speak to you without using their lips because there's no other way that when we saw the juvenile, there's no other way that our curiosity wouldn't have taken over, but we heard in our mind just, you know, there's nothing to see here. Go on. There's nothing to see. just go on do what you were doing, you know, and I can't, I can't account for that other than

they must have some other way, maybe telepathy, something along those lines, and that's how, you know, they keep people from encroaching, or that's how they lead them in to have a different kind of experience. Yeah, I wanted to ask you that. I was going to come back to that whole situation because your guys' reaction of like, let's go and nothing really to see. I find odd. But I really want to come back and ask you about that.

Before I do, so these creatures, and I'm with you to the point of, they're obviously physical. People aren't seeing ghosts, you know, the reactions of people. being terrified of something that could kill them very, very quickly, just based on the size. Do you think that these creatures are natural? I feel that they are natural, but I also feel that they have other abilities, ones that we do not have. You know, they may have not have evolved physically, but mentally they may have evolved a lot further

than us. How else can people explain not seeing them and then seeing them? How else can people explain there's a trackway here, but it just stops. You know, there's a lot of things you've got to think about, but I do. I think they're physical. I do. Yeah, and I want to backtrack to when you and your cousin saw that smaller one, you guys thought was a chimp out there.

You know, as I was listening to the encounter, I was like, oh, that's weird that they, you know, two young men just kind of leave, especially when they're not being threatened. You know, I was surprised curiosity didn't take over. But that overwhelming feeling that you had, was it a feeling of nothing to see here, basically go away? Or was it like a voice you were hearing? No, it was more of a feeling. It wasn't, there wasn't a physical.

There was not a physical voice in our heads. It was just, you know, you get that feeling, you know, there's nothing to see here. You know, just go on. It's all good. And, you know, like I said, we were, you know, that was where we went and played and had fun. And what, looking back on it now, why wouldn't we further investigated what the dogs had pinned down, you know? But something wanted us out of there. I do believe it just, that's, it told us.

us without telling us, if that makes any sense. Yeah, it does. And that's kind of what concerns me. I don't give you a couple examples. Like in a lot of alien encounters, alien abductions and that sort of thing. When you listen to the eyewitness, they'll talk about how communication is done through their mind. I've been watching a lot of near-death experiences and people either go to heaven or hell. What's fascinating is regardless of where they go, they don't talk through their mouth. It's

like through their mind. You also hear it in, you know, like demonic encounters where people are hearing stuff, something talking to them in their head. And, you know, and I'm not trying to go down like a religious route by any means, but, you know, you hear that stuff and it makes you think, is that how you communicate in that realm, in that spirit realm? Because, you know, we, us humans can't do that. We can't, I can't read your mind or your thoughts and we can't communicate this way. But what's weird in a lot of Sasquatch encounters, you'll hear this. And people will describe it as either a feeling they're having or they actually hear a real voice in their head, you know, saying, go away or, you know, something to that extent. Let's drought from a, survivor man, he told me in his encounter, the thing was talking to him in his head and he was freaking out over it. He'd never experienced something like that before. Do you think there's something more going on here, or do you think that they have just been able to pick up that ability? I think in some cases it could be more going on there, because I will tell you, in my life,

I have dealt with, you know, I don't want to go too far off on a tangent, but I have dealt with demonic spirits. And the fear that the two white ones instilled with me was kind of along those lines. You know, just that gut wrench and make you feel like you want to throw up kind of, this isn't right kind of feeling. Yeah, I want to come back and ask you about this. I'm curious now. Before I do, last question about the white one at your window. You had mentioned the teeth and how it was kind of showing you its teeth. And maybe I missed it.

Were they human-like teeth? Is that what you were seeing? Yes, they were square and blocky. And, you know, I couldn't tell if it was doing it in an aggressive way, or you know how some animals will do that trying to scent. You know, they'll flip their lip up to try to, you know, make their nose move to where they can or try to force smell up into their nose. But I do think this one had an aggressive tendency with it because it just, like I said, it just, it instilled a fear in me that made me sick in my stomach. Yeah, I've heard other eyewitnesses say basically what you said about if they've had encounters in the spirit realm, that sort of fear.

And then liken it to, that's the exact same type of fear I was feeling, you know, during a Sasquatch encounter. And I'm not likening the two. I'm just saying it's odd to hear people say that as opposed to saying, you know, I ran into a bear one time and I was terrified. And it was just like that. You never really hear that from eyewitnesses. Tell me about the demonic encounter. You know, I'm just, you know, I've always. I don't know what it is, but I'm that person that can feel, and I'm not saying I'm a psychic or anything like that at all.

But, you know, I was brought up in church and I am firm in my faith. And I believe God sometimes sends people to you that need your help in one way, shape, or form. and I've always been able to talk to people and help them with things that bother them. Because, you know, the demonic realm, they pick on people with dependencies. They pick on people who have been abused. You know, they use all these things as a way to enter. And they've shown themselves in more ways than one to me. I had a friend of mine that I loved dearly,

but he had a drug dependency, and he would tell you straight to your face. He's got a satanic spirit in him that wants him to kill people and hurt people. And I've talked him out of it many times. You know, I'm like, you've got to call on God to get the spirit out of you. And he will for a while, and then he'll get back into the addictions, and all that stuff will re-manifest itself. Now, whether this is a true psychosis,

you know, or it could be just a manifestation of an evil spirit. There is a place here not far from me. It's called the Gates of Hell Cemetery. And we would always go out there. You know, we'd take girls out there to scare them and just, you know, drink a few beers. This was back in my wild days. And I walked to,

at the very back of that cemetery one night, there was these two trees that are just, if you look at them, they just look ominous. And at the base of this tree, there was, it looked like a man, but it had no mouth. And it was growling.

And I got everybody to come look. I'm like, man, you need to say something. I said, because we're fixing to either, we're going to shoot you, or you're going to talk and we're going to take you get you some help, but it just sit there and growled. It just growled and growled and growled and growled and we turned our backs to talk amongst ourselves and it was gone. This was absolutely physical. And Wes, when we turned back, we were no more than five or ten feet away from it.

And when we turned back around, it was gone. I know this sounds crazy and, you know, there are crazy things that happen in this world. But even thinking about it right now, it almost brings tears to my eyes because it was that scary. Yeah, that would have terrified me. I almost think sometimes that kind of stuff is more terrifying than Sasquatch encounters. Kind of reminds you of Neo from the Matrix, you know,

when the Agent Smith, they're like, what, you know, what if you can't speak? and the next thing you know, his mouth is going away. What's weird in a lot of ghost encounters, people will say that. Like it didn't have eyes or it didn't have a mouth. You obviously thought it was a man. I mean, you're sitting there talking to this thing. Was it this quote-unquote man, it obviously wasn't a man,

but did it appear in modern clothes? It was in modern clothes. He was wearing a yellow and brown striped shirt and a pair of bludging. no mouth. And, you know, I confirmed this with my cousins who were there, you know,

making sure my eyes weren't playing tricks on me. But, West, there's only one way into this place and one way out. If you,

if you Google Gates of Hell Cemetery in Kentucky, you will find some very, very ominous accounts of things that happened there. Yeah,

the name alone is enough to kind of capture your attention. And I think my last wish would be, you know, please don't bury me at the gates of hell cemetery. Is there a history with this place? A history of satanic rituals. You know, there's a lot of satanic rituals and there's several caves over on Fort Knox that are full of satanic symbolism. You know, there's, it's, it's very prevalent around here. And, you know, thing about it is, When things can instill fear in you, that's when they can control you.

Now, this did scare me, but it did not instill enough fear to where I was going to just running because my curiosity took over. I might be scared, but I'm going to see what case in case this person needs help. You know, that's what I was thinking. You know, this person could be escaped from some kind of mental institution, and maybe we need to get into a hospital called the police or something. something. But when we turned back around, it was gone. Yeah, especially it disappearing, but appearing to be so physical. And that's pretty naive on ghost encounters. I always assumed when you saw a ghost, it was see-through. But if you listen to a lot of encounters, people are like run into

something physical and then it's gone. There's a lot going on in this world. A lot more weird things that go on that I think people aren't paying attention to. And, you know, I can't thank you enough for taking the time to come on and share these moments in your life. And I know we're going back, you know, over 40 years ago, a Sasquatch encounter, especially those two white ones, that would have frightened me. The demonic stuff frightens me way more.

But thank you so much for coming on. I really enjoyed chatting with you. Well, Wes, thank you. And I really appreciate you, Colin. Like I said, you give people an outlet. People who have dealt with this, they may not have been as lucky as I have. You know, I've had people to talk to and people who understand. And some people just may not.

They may not have that in their lives. And this really gives them a good outlet. I appreciate the kind of words very much. Oh, you're welcome. And feel free to call anytime, you know, if you ever hear of anything out this way, because I keep my ear to the ground, see, you know, when things are talked about, out. So if you ever, you know, if you ever get out this way, feel free to get a hold of me. Thanks again, Edmund. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.