Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1045 I Thought Bigfoot Was A Joke

Episode Date: March 31, 2024

Turner writes "Wes, I have been listening to your show for over a year now. My background is in the outdoor industry. I have a degree in Forestry, I am an avid bowhunter, and I now do a YouTube channel that specializes in all things outdoors, hunting, fishing, shooting, ext. Because of my love of the outdoors, somewhere along my childhood the joke about Bigfoot was made and it became my thing. I always had a Bigfoot sticker on my truck or notebooks in school, but it was a joke. I never believed in Sasquatch and I also was pretty ignorant on the subject in general. As luck would have it, over a year ago a random person saw the sasquatch sticker on my truck and asked did I listen to your show. He then told me about an encounter that happened near where we lived in south Mississippi. (Ep. 761 as it turns out). Long story short I started listening and becoming interested on the subject until me and a friend got the bright idea to go to where Mike from 761 had his encounter one night. (I am very familiar with the area he hunted in as I have cruised timber there years ago) It's too much to type but we had a encounter that night where we got blasted with infrasound. Then later last year I had an encounter where I heard wood knocks and samurai chatter, and was paced out of the woods. We have also seen orbs and something strange on thermal. Like I said, it's a lot to try and type. Would love to talk over the phone."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Hi, this is Emily from New York, and you're listening to the one and only Sasquatch Chronicles. Happy Easter, and welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Turner. And Turner comes to us from Mississippi,

and from talking to him off the air within five minutes, I'm like, this guy's a legitimate hunter, this guy's a legitimate outdoorsman. And as we got to talking off the air, he was like, hey, man, I thought it was all BS. I really thought the whole subject of Bigfoot was nonsense. And I'll kind of let him explain how he ended up in this area where he had a long string of events that happened to him that are very odd, very strange. And he really started changing his mind on, hey, I think this is real. It reminds me of most hunters I talk to.

Very stubborn people. I love them to death, but they're very stubborn people. And I can't tell you how many times I've been talking to a hunter, and they're like, hey, this wasn't Bigfoot related, but let me tell you about this weird bear. And I know I say that a lot. I have an example for you. On an upcoming show, I'll be interviewing Brad.

And Brad was very skeptical. Thought the whole story. subject was nonsense until something very strange happened to him. Here I was in 2001, and in case your listeners are familiar with this area, it's near Paul Paul, West Virginia, and it's on Critton Owl Hollow Road. You go back in there, there was a small private campground back there, and she had to be a member back then. So I went camping back there, and it was like midnight.

1 a.m. I heard something crashing through the woods. So I took my flashlight and and I walked up in the woods and I could hear it come and it was coming straight for the camp. We had a fire going and everything. I was standing there in the dark and this thing was coming straight toward me. So I turned the light on and there in front of me I saw a head that is all black. it looked like a bear's head, had two reflecting eyes, but the problem was it was as tall as I was. And I'm five foot nine. And I, for about two to three seconds, I looked down. And this thing had arms like a kangaroo, like an alpha male kangaroo.

And its elbows were kicked out a little bit. And it had its front. I looked to see, like, I thought I'd see like bear feet. it looked like it had its wrists curled up under it in the front, like it was walking on its front wrists. And it seemed like its body, the back part was down low, but the front part was up high, like a hyena. And it just looked at me and I looked at it and I was like, this is the weirdest looking bear I've ever seen. And then the damn thing just drops down onto its stomach and makes a hard right and its appendages are out at like 90s, 90 degree or something.

And it's super fast. And it just like scaddles, scuttles to its right into the woods. And it only went about 10 or 15 feet where I couldn't see it. And it stopped. It was right there. And I was like, oh, man, it's right there. It's waiting. It ain't running away.

It's not running away. and I said, I better to get out of here. I'm about to get attacked. So I backed up real slow. I got to the camp. I was real uneasy. I got my gun. I threw more fire on, I mean, threw more wood on the fire.

And nothing came, never heard anything. Nothing bothered me. And went to bed that night. And I was really uneasy about it, what I had saw, because I couldn't figure it out. You know what I'm saying? And again, that's Brad. I'll be playing his interview on an upcoming show for the members. And again, just like Turner, he had a lot of really weird things that happened to him

from hearing weird, strange knocks in the woods to hearing voices. Sounds like people chattering in the woods. And he just always brushed all that off. He did tell me in that interview that what he ran into that night reminded him more of a canine, really kind of looking back than anything else. But it was just so in that moment, he thought it was a weird bear. And he just had a hard time wrapping his head around it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Turner to the show. Turner, thanks for coming on. Hey, glad to be here, Wes. Yeah, and this first incident that happened to you that we're going to talk about,

how long ago did this happen to you? This would have been June of last year, so June of 2023. So pretty recent. You know, prior to this happening to you, what was kind of your take on the whole subject of Bigfoot? Well, to set this stage here, let me explain for the audience. I had, Sasquatch was kind of a joke for me, and I've always been an advert, excuse me, an avid outdoorsman. I've always been into hunting, fishing, camping since I was a little kid.

And somewhere along the way, I don't know where the Bigfoot joke kind of got started. but it was just kind of my thing of like I would have, I always had a big foot sticker on something on my school books or truck I was driving, but it was a joke to me. I did not, I mean, I didn't believe it. I thought it was, I mean, just an urban legend. I thought there was no truth to it whatsoever.

I never seen or heard anything to make me believe otherwise. In fact, I seen a few years ago when Les Stroud did the, his little series about Bigfoot, I was like, come on, Les. Because I'm a huge fan of he is and, you know, a big fan of the Survivor Man series. And I was like, come on, man. Why are you doing this? Because, again, I didn't put any stock in it. I didn't believe it at all.

So as luck would have it, probably April of last year, I was actually selling me and my wife sold SUV. And I run into this gentleman. and he saw, he'll hear this, he's a big fan, but he saw the Sasquatch sticker on the back of our vehicle, and he's like, do you listen to Sasquatch Chronicles? And I'm like, the Who and the What? And he said, Sasquatch Chronicles, man, you got to check it out. It's, I mean, it's really compelling.

There's even an account that happened near here. And I asked him, I said, okay, well, what episode was it? And where did I find this podcast? So I never could find the particular episode he was talking about. So I just started listening to you. I'm a truck driver now, and I have a lot of seat time to listen to podcasts. So I probably went through a couple hundred episodes before I found episode 761. And that's kind of how all this came about.

And the more I listened to it, the more compelled I became. I started listening, and right away I'm like, this isn't, I mean, to your credit, Wes, this isn't like I see on TV, this isn't a show. These people are actually experiencing something. So I finally get to the episode, and I believe his name was Mike, and the area he was hunting in, I'm very familiar with. I knew right away when he started describing the Leaf River WMA and Highway 26, I knew just, just, about where he was talking about. Probably 2012, I had actually cruised timber in that area because I told you in my email, I went to school for forestry.

And to set the stage again, I already knew from where he was talking about how thick these woods are. These woods are in our area are so thick and the underbrush is so thick and briarie. I actually had my GPS quit back in 2012, and that's the first time I had ever been lost in the woods. So it made sense of weird things happening down there just because I knew the area and I knew how bad it was. Well, my friend Bailey, who does my YouTube channel with me and a lifelong friend, he's like a brother to me, I started telling him about some of your shows, and he listened to one of them, and he became, intrigued as well. Now, I need to preface this by saying that he had listened to one or two episodes

of your show, but he had no prior knowledge, and I had not brought it up of Infrasound. You know, it was something that I had heard about and researched it on my own, but I really hadn't talked him about it. He had no prior knowledge to it, and that detail will come up here in a minute. So we finally get the bright idea. We go down to near this power line where Mike was talking about. And I actually wanted, I wasn't exactly on the WMA because I didn't want to get in trouble with a game warden with having firearms and whatnot.

It wasn't hunting season. So we go down there and I'm actually on a gas pipe line that intersects the power line. And we just pull off when we get there and it's about 10 o'clock at night. night. And so we just park, roll the windows down, and just start talking. Lights off. And we do that about 30 minutes. And nothing happens, nothing out of the ordinary. We can hear crickets, bugs, you know, whatever. And we get to talking. And down the pipeline in front of us, there's a little dip, a little hollow, if you will, about a 15 foot elevation change over the next 100 yards. it goes down and it comes back up to a little hilltop. And so we say, well, let's get out of the truck and let's walk to that hilltop because it will still be inside of the pickup. If we go any further than that, you know, we won't be able to see the truck.

So we get out and walk and, again, you can hear everything. Everything sounds normal. We actually bumped up, something ran through the bushes and we shined our lights and it was a rabbit and, you know, we had a little laugh about it like, look at us, you know, jumpy out here and nothing to be willing to be. worried about. And so it takes us about 10 minutes to walk and turn around, come back to the truck and sat down and about 15 minutes to the dot. I noticed everything, it became so quiet that it was noticeable. And I'm sitting there and I was like, that's, that's weird. So I kind of let it go,

I mean, I didn't say anything to Bailey. And we're sitting there. And about that time, My ears go to ringing terribly. And, I mean, this is like not normal. Like I had just fired a firearm without hearing protection. And in that moment, I start reasoning with myself, I said, Turner, you're in your head. You've been listening to this show. You know, you're just out here, jumpy, in the middle of the night.

There's nothing wrong. It's just your ears are just ringing. There's, you know, nothing to it. it. Well, as I'm reasoning with myself in my head, Bailey turns, he goes, did you hear that? And I'm like, are you being funny? Are you goofing me? He's like, and I can tell, I've been friends with Bailey so long that I know when he's being being serious. I know when something is not right. And he's just dead paying serious. And he said, no, dude, I heard something. I said, well, what is it?

And he hesitated and, you know, his voice cracked a little bit and he's, it sounded like a wood knock. I said, what do you mean a wood knock? He said, it sounded like someone took a two by four and smacked the side of a tree. And I said, well, what direction? He said about 80, I don't know, 80 to 100 yards to our, it had been our one o'clock where we was sitting. And I just go, huh? I said, well, listen out. I said, my ears bothering me for some reason.

I'm having trouble hearing. And he goes, well, I didn't want to say anything. He said, man, my ears are ringing terribly. And I said, well, do you feel all right? Is something wrong? Again, he hasn't really heard about the infrasound, and I'm just kind of trying to nonchalantly quiz him what's going on. And he says,

I just, I don't know, I feel off. I don't know how to explain it. I just feel off. So about that time, without saying a word, without looking at one another, we were both looking out the windshield of the truck, something just triggered our fight or flight response. At the exact same time, we talked about it after the fact, at the exact same time, the hair stood up on the back of our neck, and we both turned and looked at each other and went, I was like, did you? Yeah. And that's all that was said. And I punched the ignition and cranked it up. And we talked to each other after the fact. And all I can explain it is, it's like something happened, somebody jumped out, you know, that feeling you get when your adrenaline spikes and your fight or flight kicks in. You're, you know, you know, you know,

You know, your body kind of freezes and it's like, okay, what do I do next? You know, something's fixing to go down. And that was the first experience. We never did see anything. I just heard the one would not. And we went home that night. We left immediately because we were both thinking that we can't stay here anymore. We're both scared.

We're both shook up from here on out. Anything we hear is going to kind of, you know, make us, you know, every little twig, it'll break, we're going to thanks a Sasquatch. So we go back to his house and, and I drop him out, and, you know, we talked about it and like, did that really just happen? And we did. It did. It was a physical experience.

And so I go back home, and it's probably midnight by now. The Leaf River WMA is probably 30, 45 minutes from where I live now. and I talked to my wife, you know, and tell her, you know, what happened because she immediately knew something was wrong. She was like, what is wrong with you? And I told her what happened. And, well, so over the next couple of days, I really just had to start trying to come to terms with this, like, this, there's something to this. Something happened. This thing that wasn't supposed to be real, you know, nothing, this was supposed to be a joke.

me and Bailey were going to go down there and hang out and nothing was going to happen. Nothing was supposed to be there. And the fact that we went near this same spot where Mike had his encounter and this happened, it shook me up. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, the forest going quiet, it's so hard to translate that over a podcast on that feeling and what it's like to be there when everything goes quiet. even the insects go quiet.

And you had that feeling like something is very wrong here. I know you've been a hunter of your whole life. Had you ever been out there before in the forest and everything went that quiet? Not to that level. I've been in the woods. Down here we don't really have. There's an occasional bear, but it's very rare. The biggest thing we have is coyotes.

And I had been in the woods in the southeast where several coyotes or a big coyote or maybe even a big cat is in the area. And it will go quiet. You know, the forest acts a little differently when a big predator's around, but not, not insects. That was my first experience of actually the insects, you know, shut up. I've never experienced that until this point. It's strange for sure.

It's like the forest taking a deep breath and it's the most silenced you'll ever hear. And I get the whole when you say, my, years were ringing. I mean, I'm with you on that. It's a lot like that. It's like you, it's weird. It's like the wind doesn't even blow. It's such a weird experience to go through. Had you guys ever gone back to this place? We went back. My other friend who, who's his property will come into play here in a second. It was actually the second encounter I had. Me and him went down there and, you know, me and baby told him what happened. and he started listening to your show as well. He's a big fan now, too. Me and him went down there actually with thermal. And about two or three weeks after this happened and didn't see anything, didn't hear anything,

but it was still very quiet. But what was weird is that we took the thermal out, a little spotting scope, a little monocular. And you can see a ways with this. This is a pretty nice thermal. You can see, you know, probably, I don't know, 80, 100 yards into the trees. And we walked around a little bit.

We sat a while and there was, we could not find a living creature on thermal. It was like, I don't know how to describe it. It was like something, it was like a bomb had been dropped. There was not a, we could not find a squirrel, a bird, a rabbit. There was not one animal to be found in those woods on thermal. And we walked around, you know, kicked the bushes up a little bit. But that was weird, but that's really all that happened. time and we haven't been back down there since. I'm very curious. I'm very wary. I'm very cautious,

but I'm also at the end of the day, I'm a hunter first. I'm hunting for answers at this point. Yeah, I respect that very much, especially with your background. You know, you're pretty skeptical. This whole thing was kind of a joke, and now you kind of want to know the answers. You want to know what's out there. Tell me about last year, this, this incident, did it happen in this general area? No, this was about as the crow flies. This is probably 25 miles to the northwest of this area. This is actually on some private property that is some old family land that my friend Will and Bailey and I hunt.

So this was October of last year. It's the first weekend, the opening week of both season down here. And it's middle of October. It's hot. It's 90 degrees. And we're going to hunt this area of land. And to lay it out, it's a bigger piece of property. It's around 150 acres, I guess.

And to the north, it butts up to a cattle pasture. And there's a house, but it's probably five, six, hundred yards from the property line. It's a good ways from where we were hunting. It's really kind of landlocked. It's surrounded by thick woods, but to the west side of the property is a, is a railroad track. And so I'm going to hunt near the railroad track on the west side of the property, and Will is on the south side of the property probably a quarter mile away. So I get him because of the way the wind was blowing, there's a road that runs through the center of the property north to south. Well, I didn't want to enter the woods from the road because of the way the wind was blowing.

So I had him drop me out on the west side of the property and I walked the railroad tracks and come in that way. Well, we got in the woods probably 2 o'clock, 2.30. And I'm going to make an evening sit. and I climb up and within, I don't know, within half an hour, I started noticing I heard like a knock and I never heard wood knocks before, before this, but it took me a minute to kind of figure out what was going on. I'm sitting there and this goes on all afternoon. From the time I started really paying attention and counting how many times this happened, I counted probably seven or eight wood knocks, but it was probably a dozen or more.

And I knew it was something strange. I knew it had to be a woodnock because as a look would have it, a woodpecker came over, landed on a dead tree probably 100 feet from me and started, you know, picking away. And the woodpecker, you know, I heard him. and what I was hearing probably 100 yards ahead of me, it was no comparison. It was not an animal. It wasn't a woodpecker. Whatever this was, it sounded like, you know, two two by fours being slapped together.

It had a crack to it, like a home run. And it was at ground level. And this goes on the remainder of the afternoon, like I said, and I just ignored it. I started paying attention of how often it was happening, but I really didn't address it in my mind, if that makes sense. It was a certain level of denial, if you will. So this rocks on, and it starts getting toward dark, and where I'm hunting is a little bit of a low-lying area. And it's so thick in there, me and Will had actually cut an access trail to get to the road in the center of the property. So what I mean by all this is that it gets darker down in that bottom than

where Will was hunting. He's at a higher elevation and there's less trees. So I climb down and I walk out the access trail and I come to the road and it's still a little bit daylight. And I set my stand down and I didn't want to turn back to the south and mess Will's hunt up. I was thinking there's a little bit of daylight and there may be something come into his food plot right at dark. So I'll turn and go north, and maybe I'll come around one of these curves, and I can bump up a deer or something. You know, that's kind of wishful thinking boat hunting down here. So I started walking, and, you know, the woods have quieted down. I'm not here at anything anymore, no more knocks.

I go to the north boundary of the property and turn around. I walk about 50 yards back to the south, and I hear it's going to say, sound weird. The best way I can describe it, it sounded like a very large dog growling, like it's fixing to start barking at someone, but it sounded off. I've heard in some of your shows and some of the encounters, it didn't sound like a dog. It sounded like something impersonating a dog, and I know that sounds crazy, but it was this low, guttural growl. And you know how a large dog, well, any dog really, when they're fixing to start barking at someone, you know, someone walks in the yard, they get spooked, you know, there's that initial growl

before they go into that, you know, bark, bark, bark, bark, you know, that's kind of the cadence, you know, the growl and the barking. Well, whatever this was, it was like you were, it was that first growl and then just stopped. It's almost like you were playing a recording of a growl, and, you know, it was about to start barking, and then you just shut it off and the woods go quiet. It was very strange and it was very loud. It sounded huge, whatever it was. And, sorry, getting worked up talking about it. I walk another probably 50 yards after this, and I heard, it sounded like something was there.

I didn't hear footsteps, but I, you know, well, you know, being a hunter, you just, you hear a twig here and a branch there, and you kind of get the feeling that there's something in the bushes there. You just kind of know. And about that time, I heard, it was the samurai chatter. It was, it sounded very, very similar to the Ron Moorhead recordings. It was like a, I'm going to sound ridiculous doing this, but it was too quick vocal,

It was like a rock rock and that started to get me. And again, in my head at this point, it wasn't so much denial. It was this feeling of not really dread, but it was like, you have got to be kidding me. This is happening to me again. You know, I went most of my life with nothing and now twice in one year. And so I text wheel and I'm like, hey dude, there's something weird going down. back here. Start walking my way.

And I knew because we were on private property, Will had his bow, but he also had his AR-10, which is a 308 for those who don't know. Because we have a big hog problem down here. He had it for hogs. You can hunt them no matter of the season, really. And so he said, bit, dude, and he gets down, starts walking my way.

I walk another 7,500 yards, and the road curves back to the right, almost 90 degrees before going back south. And right there at that corner, I'd heard some, you know, twigs, you know, things here and there breaking like something was moving. And that's, uh, that's when I heard the whistle. And it sounded, it sounded like a, a human whistle. And something about 30 yards to my right went and across from me in front of me on the other side of the road.

there was like a huff, a really low, like, and that broke me right there. I had been level-headed to that point, but that whistle and that huff, now that it sounds like there's another one across from me, I started, I didn't run because as any hunter knows, when you start running, that's when a predator, a dog, or whatever's going to chase you, but I started walking as fast as I could, and I called, I'm like, man, there's something following me out of the woods. Bring, bring your gun and come this way now. And I just hung up, you know, trying to save my breath.

And I walked, I walked till I met Will and I had left my stand down there. I'll drop my bow. I left everything down there. And we eventually, we got in the pickup. We went back to the front of the property and got in his truck and, you know, went down there and picked the stand and equipment up because I wasn't about to go back down there on foot. This whole encounter and listening to your show, it kind of jogged Will's memory, if you will. And, you know, we were talking about what happened and explaining, and he's like, man, I've never thought of it before, but something weird happened in that spot seven, eight years ago.

And we were like, okay, what are you talking about? He said, I just wrote it off. I hadn't thought about it until now because I just wrote it off as, you know, I don't know what it is. It's something weird. And in that same spot on the road, probably seven, eight, nine years ago, they had just thinned the timber, kind of disturbed the place. And Will was down there in a blind hunting hogs with his thermal. He had a thermal scope at the time on his AR, that same A.R. that same AR-10.

And he was sitting there with his now wife, his girlfriend at the time. And he looked down or looked through the thermoscope and he said something came out of the woods and it was walking on all fours and

he knew right away it looked off. Now the way he described it he said it almost had more of a canine shape. He said, but it happened so fast. He said it just looked the arms were disproportionate. It wasn't a bear.

And he didn't see a tail, but it was, whatever this was walking on all fours. It didn't have the shape of a bear. It looked weird. The arms looked long. And it was about the size of a black bear. It was entirely too large to be a coyote. And so he's looking at it through thermal, about 80 yards away, and he cracks off a shot. And, Wes, you know, a 308 is a decent-sized deer cartridge.

You know, there are some people that will take elk with them. It's no joke for game in our part of the world. The biggest thing we have is a black bear or whitetail deer. And he shoots this thing, and he either flat mist, which I have my doubts, because he killed a hog in that exact spot a week later, no problem. or whatever this was, it toaded that 308 like a champ. And the way he described it, it took off as if it was preparing to go up to two legs. Like the way it took off running was very strange in that brief moment on thermal.

And he said, whatever it was, it sounded like a freight train tearing through that property. It took out through the woods. He never heard of vocalization, you know. no sounds like that, but he said he heard it for several hundred, maybe thousand yards through the woods as it just tore off. Makes you wonder what your buddy Will actually shot. And then, you know, it's even weirder. He's telling you this after you guys are telling him about all the weird things that happened to you. Had you ever gone back to his property with the thermal and taking a look around?

We went back We go there all the time Because the three of us You know, we hunt there We shoot videos from my YouTube channel there We're there all the time And to this point, nothing else strange has happened We went back in the night with

Thermlin whatnot Probably a month ago now You know, as hunting season Had he ended down here finally and to this point nothing else strange has really happened and and I'm okay with that because this is you know it's kind of our property you know it's family property we you know don't we're the only ones that hunt it and if it's all the same I'd rather nothing nothing weird come back ever in one of my favorite hunting spots yeah I could understand that the the whole you know

bigfoot in hunting it's nice to kind of keep that separate it's like You know, when people go, gosh, I wish I had Sasquatch on my property, maybe not so much where you live. I'm sure it looks good on paper, but it's a whole different thing when it's happening in reality. Tell me about the lights that you guys saw. Yes, so this was, we're going back, and this is things that I didn't realize what it was until listening to your show. So this goes back probably it's a little closer to where I had the first Bigfoot encounter where Mike had his encounter. We're probably a few miles through the woods. And to the west of that area, there's actually a national forest and there's actually a military base.

And you can go on parts of the base, you know, you can hunt on it as part of the national forest. and if they don't want you in there, they'll just close the gate up, and there'll be military personnel around. But you very rarely see anybody there. So me and Will, this was probably 2017. We were down there hunting for hogs and hunting for coyotes in the middle of the night, and we were going back and forth through the National Forest on the edge of the base where you were allowed to hunt.

And we go down to, it's actually the shooting range, or it's an old shooting range and there's a gate at the front. I'll stress again that if they don't want you in there or if there is any type of military personnel down there, they've got all the gates shut. There's people there. You can't get in there. This is a dead end road to this old fire and range, this old gravel pit. There's nobody back there but me and will. And we drive down in there and looking through the windshield and a, I now know it was an orb.

It was probably 100 feet in the air, and it moved up probably, I don't know, 15 feet in elevation. But it was this pale yellow round light that kind of flickered. It was, you know, the best way I can describe it, it was light, but it didn't really put off light. and this thing kind of appears about 100 feet in the air in front of us. And me and we'll look at each other and I go, what is that? And he said, uh, that must be a flare. And I didn't question it. Didn't ask why someone would be shooting a flare down there.

And he just threw it in reverse and backed out. And that was kind of the end of it. Well, now some years later, you know, listen to your show. Me and Will talked about it. he's like, I knew the second that I saw that it was no flare. There was no one down there. So that was the, I now know that was our first experience seeing an orb. And as the crow flies, that's not very far from where all this other stuff had happened in the Leaf River, WMA.

So fast forward back to last year again. I know I'm jumping all over the timeline here. This timeline is as messy as marvels now. But I was driving home. Like I said, I'm a truck driver now. This was late summer last year. About, I don't know, about midnight, I was coming south down Highway 59 right outside Meridian, Mississippi. And there's an exit for those who know right before you get to Meridian on the north side,

and it's very well lit. For whatever reason, there's probably 50 street lights. And you can see both off ramps really clear in a lot of. our truck drivers will pull off there. So it was about midnight, and I was coming home, and I pulled off on the off ramp. You know, I was getting tired or whatever, going to get out, walk around a minute. And I got to the top of the ramp, and I looked over the, there's a forest there, and there's nothing back there but just thick woods.

I saw another orb. It was, it didn't look like it was far off. It looked like it was probably 50, six. 75 yards away and it looked like it was the size of a manhole cover, you know, probably three, four feet in diameter. And again, it was this pale light. It really wasn't cutting off light, but it was light and it was flickering. Except this one, it was a emerald green. Toward the outside, encircling it was emerald green.

And as you got closer to the center, it's like it was. like a star, I guess. You know, it was hotter in the center and it was almost completely white in the center. And it appeared, it flickered probably, it seems like an eternity, but in reality it was probably only four or five seconds. And it was moving straight down into the woods and then it just went out like somebody turned a flashlight off. And, you know, I sat there at the top of the off ramp a minute, rubbing my eyes, you know,

you know, it's like, did I really just see that? And again, until later, until I started hearing about some of the orbs, I went back and told everybody, it was like, I don't know what the heck that was. So, yeah, that would have been, I said late summer. I think that may have happened actually in May. I think that actually happened before my first encounter in the Lili River, WMA. Yeah, the Bulls of Lighter are very strange.

We were just talking about this on last night's show with Fletcher, and he was described, it's the first time I've ever heard of a ball of light that actually produced some weird sound. Normally when people see them, there's no sound, or it doesn't really get reported that there's a sound. And it's just like how you describe. It's very strange. They don't put off light, but they're light. And your buddy's saying, oh, you know, that's a flare, and then getting the hell out of You know, makes me wonder about if he's seen something like that before.

But the way you're describing the light is very different from a flare. A flare is meant to bright up an area. It's meant to light up an area. These things really don't do that. What's your take on the lights? What do you think that they are? I've heard several people talk about them. And I've, like I said, I've been doing a lot of research.

I myself, you know, I'm a follower of Christ. I do a lot of biblical research. Man, I think there's something spiritual. I really do. And I won't know part of them. I heard a, I'm trying to remember who said this. I heard a biblical scholar say that he described them as tricksters. And, you know, I won't know part of them.

I want to keep my distance from them. That's the best answer I have. It's not, I don't think it's a natural phenomena like, you know, St. Elmo's Fire or whatever, all lightning or whatever. I really do think it's something spiritual. And I want to keep my distance, to be honest with you. Yeah, over the years, I've started to kind of lean that way when it comes to the lights. They seem to be alive. As odd as that sounds, I'm telling you, with the few experiences I have with them, there's something.

very odd about the balls of light that people are seeing. It's not an inanimate object just flying around. They seem to be alive. And again, I know how crazy that sounds. When you were seeing this thing and it took a dive down, did it go into the ground and then went out? It went out probably, I don't know, eight or nine feet above the tree tops, but it was going straight down, you know, and it wasn't moving fast. It was slowly, you know, taking its time flickering. And it, it was almost floating versus, you know, just diving straight down. But about eight or nine feet above the treetops, it just went out. Yeah, I want to ask you, I know you had mentioned with the lights, your feelings towards it. And you'd mentioned also that you're a follower of Christ.

So when you see these lights, you think it's something more spiritual. When it comes to Sasquatch, what do you think Sasquatch is? I've been thinking on how to answer this question. And as of right now, with my experience and what I've seen and heard and from your show, I like how Les Stroud put it. He referred to it at one point is the Bigfoot phenomena. all. That's kind of where I'm at, if that makes sense. I think you can, I could sit here. I know I could and make an argument for anything. I think there's a very strong argument that, okay, this is very

physical. It's a creature. You know, it does physical things. But at the same time, I can make an argument that it's spiritual, that it does things that don't make sense, like seemingly vanishing. know I've heard on your show people shooting these things and they vanish or they watch them kind of vanish in the thin air. So I don't have a good answer. It's kind of a it. You could make a strong argument that it is a physical being. You can make a strong argument that is spiritual. You can make an argument that it's just an abomination.

The only thing from my research, and a lot of people don't agree with this, and all Christians don't agree on it, and it's not that big a deal. So I don't think it's a nephalum. I don't think it falls by my reading and my research. I don't think the nephalum around anymore. That's how I understand the ancient text. It's how I understand the Bible. that's the only thing that I would say rule out. I don't believe it's anything to do with the nephilum.

But other than that, all bets are off. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, and that's a fair answer. And, you know, it's hard to really know what these things are. I agree with you on the nephalum thing. I think the nephalum was something very different. But I think Sasquatch is odd. What is your YouTube channel?

Well, I appreciate that, Wes. It's Indian hen outdoors. And it's anything outdoors. I do a lot of gun reviews, camping, fishing, all that good stuff. Is it Indian hen like H-E-N? Yes, sir. That's actually, let me clarify this, because I've gotten trouble on social media before. What that is, is a slang term for the ivory-billed woodpecker, which is now it was indigenous to my state and my area.

And it's just recently been declared extinct. And that's kind of a thing special of the southeast. But that's what it is. People would call it. The old-timers would refer to them as Indian hens. And it was a very large woodpecker. Yeah. Yeah, and I wasn't questioning the name.

I just wanted to make sure I heard it right. And so Indian Hen, I'll have to check it out. When you go out to these areas, because I know that you and your friends still go out to these areas, do you guys shoot videos and then post them on that YouTube channel? Yes, we're going to start. We've done one YouTube video of just kind of telling our encounters, me, baby, and wheel. You can find that on the channel. It's called Stories is the name of the video.

We've done that back in late October of last year, I believe. Yeah, I'll throw it up on the blog, and hopefully the audience will go and check it out. And, you know, I'm fascinated when someone is skeptical, and you were a little more than skeptical. It was like a big joke. And I get that. I, you know, I understand how people feel that haven't experienced. experience this thing. It sounds crazy to them, and I get that. But when you're out there and the forest goes so quiet, your ears start ringing. And I know exactly what you mean when you say that.

It's odd to be in that position. It's odd to be in that moment. You have a range of emotions that takeover that you can't really explain the way you're feeling. And there's a theory of it being infrasound. And infrasound will make you, you can actually tune in different frequencies. You can make a person mad. You can make a person in fear. You can, there's a lot to infrasound. And but having said that, I know it's just a theory out there. When you were in that moment, did you feel like it was possibly infrasound hitting you? I think so from the little bit of research I have done on it. the way the human body reacts to sound waves like that. And I had heard about similar things like Havana syndrome and sonic weapons and whatnot. You know, I'd come across that in reading before. But I think that's what it is.

I don't have a more logical explanation of why the human body would react that way. and I again, I'm not trying to sound like I'm, you know, Jeremiah Johnson, but I've, for the audience to understand, when I first got out of college, I cruised timber all over the southeast and including the, like the Talladega National Forest, which has the highest point in the state of Alabama. And I would walk into the woods two, three, four miles on a mountain top with nothing but a pocket knife and my forestry equipment. and completely alone, no cell phone signal, you know, I could have stepped off a cliff and nobody would ever found me. I say all that to, I don't get spooked in the woods. I don't, I've hunted so long and I've been in the woods so long that I'm just about to the point, if I'm sitting in my stand and I hear something without even turning and looking, I'm like, that's a squirrel. That's a bird.

I just, I know the difference of what animals sound like, and I don't just, I don't get generally. I don't, I don't have an explanation of why all of a sudden the hair stood up on the back of my neck and I had the urge of like, I either need to run or be prepared for a fight. And the fact that Bailey had the exact same feeling, you know, it's almost like we're on the same, I don't know, wavelength or whatever. And it happened at the exact same time and we kind of, we, you know, communicated each other with just a look. I mean, I don't know, man. That's the only explanation I have is something from a sonic level causing the human body to act that way. Yeah, I think that's a fair answer. And, you know, infrasound makes the most sense.

I'm not completely sold on it being infrasound, but it would make the most sense. And a lot of times when, you know, even in my own encounter, when I noticed everything was dead silent, I was terrified. And I couldn't really, you know, when you're with your brother, you don't tell your brother you're terrified. Why? You haven't seen anything. You haven't heard anything. You know, why?

And then, you know, be prepared to be made fun of for the next week and a half over saying you're terrified. But, you know, Infrasound would make the most sense. I just, I'm not 100% sold on it, but I know you're an experienced hunter. And for you guys to be run out of there and not really seen. anything and have it be dead silent and then have the hair on the back of your neck stand up, almost like you're in danger. If you don't leave, you're going to, you know, you may die. But there's no reason to fill that way because nothing has happened.

It's so bizarre, just like everything else in the subject. And I really enjoyed chatting with you. I would love to know if anything happens when you go back. Thank you, Wes. Thank you for having me. And I'll just say this real quick that I know we're running short on time, but it's funny that in the hunting community, my group of friends that now that I've come out and said all this, everybody has a story. Everybody has a, oh, well, I saw a weird light of, oh, no, well, I was in the, you know, whatever national forest and this thing come through. And I just thought it was a bear.

Like, there's so, so many stories that need to get out there, you know, it's information. that people are quite frankly, they either just ride it off or they're afraid to say anything because everybody will think they're crazy. Yeah, it only takes one person to stand up and say, hey, I saw this or hey, I experienced this. And usually you'll have other people, you know, when they feel like it's safe, they'll come forward and say, hey, you know what, I know what he's talking about. I ran into that, you know, in that same area. I wish I could provide solid proof for the world to see that these things are real. But I guess in a small way, I'm trying to do my part, along with the eyewitnesses coming forward, because they really are the show and sharing their experiences.

It even got someone skeptical like you to go, hey, I know where he was hunting. Let's go check that area out. So I appreciate the fact that you and your friends listen to the show. And I can't thank you enough for taking the time to come on. Appreciate it, brother. Thanks again, Turner. As many celebrate Easter this weekend, reminded of its universal message of love, sacrifice, and rebirth.

In 1998, Conrad Roland was 11 years old. Sports was his passion. He played baseball, football, soccer, and tennis. And he excelled at all of them. And one day, he found out a special speaker was coming to a school, and the speaker was none other than Hall of Fame baseball player Rod Caro. Rod Caro was Conrad's hero. Conrad couldn't contain himself.

He told his mother that he wanted to become a legend just like Mr. Carrow, and he never took his eyes off the ball. He later would become a tight end in the NFL, and his career was cut short with a knee injury. He would try to train and rehab and get past it, in hopes of getting a contract with another team. In 2016, Conrad went back home to his family, and he was filling out his driver's license renewal form.

He asked his mother if she was an organ donor, and she said that she was. So Conrad checked the box and said that he also wanted to be an organ donor. A few months later, Conrad was working out in the gym, and he had this terrible headache just come over him, and it was so painful. It was behind one of his eyes, and he tried to keep working out, but he just couldn't, he was in so much pain because of this headache. So he calls his mother, tells her about it, and she says you should go to the hospital.

So he does. Conrad was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm. Four days after being admitted, Conrad died. Being an organ donor, doctors kept him alive on life support, while they called the next people on the waiting list for organs. One man in his 70s that Dr. Scott got a hold of was in desperate need of a new heart. A year before, he had a major heart attack and it had damaged his heart. The man and his wife were so excited they lived near L.A.

And shortly after the news, he went in for the heart transplant and it was successful. The man was so excited, he had been given a second time. chance at life. The man that Conrad's heart saved was none other than Rod Carrow, Conrad's childhood hero. The two families live 12 miles apart. Mr. Carrow and his wife told Conrad's mother she was welcome to come by any time and listen to her son's heart. The Rollins and the Caros now consider each other family. Happy Easter, everyone. and until next time.