Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1051 Sasquatch And The Missing Man

Episode Date: April 28, 2024

As I mentioned on last night's show, I would be doing a swapcast for Merkel Media's new film Sasquatch And The Missing Man. I told Tony he could ask me anything he wants. I hope you enjoy our hour long conversation. Check out The Confessionals here: https://www.theconfessionalspodcast.com/

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. Bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-uh.

This is Boston Billy. You're listening to Sasquatch Chronicles. Let's go, baby. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. Tonight will be a little bit different. I know last night I interviewed Barbara and Kevin with regard to their experiences. and I want to thank them for coming on last night's show. Today I'm going to be posting an interview I did with Tony Merkel from the Confessionals. He has a film coming out called Sasquatch and The Missing Man. Part of it is my encounter. Part of it's the Browns encounter.

Another lady's encounter. But in the middle of all of this, we kind of got wrapped up in this missing man that happened in this general area where we were at while filming kind of my encounter location. And so Tony kind of included some of that into the film. The film again is called Sasquatch and The Missing Man. I'm not sure exactly when Tony will be releasing it. But this last week and a half has just been a mess for me. I won't bore you with the details.

But Tony asked me if he could interview me for his show. So we decided to do kind of a swap cast. And I told Tony he could ask me whatever he wanted to ask me. And we sat and chatted for about an hour. I hope you enjoy it. I'll be back next week with encounters. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Here's my conversation with Tony Merkel and his podcast called The Confessionals. Please go check them out on whatever podcast player you listen to. Here we go. All right. Today we have Wes Gher from Sasquatch Chronicles. Wes, what's going on, man? What's going on, Tony?

Good to be here, man. Hey, man. Listen, it's been almost 500 episodes, I think, since you've actually. officially been on the confessionals. Wow. That long, huh? Yeah. I mean, I've been on your show here and there and stuff.

But I think the only time, actually having you on by yourself solo, because when I had you on by yourself solo, it was for episode 52, and we covered your Bigfoot encounter. And then I think it was like two other times after that I had you on for what we were calling the think tanks. And people still say, oh, you should do another think tank. And I'm like, I'm not a big fan. I'm not a big fan of thinking anymore. Like, I just rather not.

You know? Yeah. But, I mean, it's been a long time, man. And we, we had this, this documentary coming out, Sasquatch and the missing man. I'll tell you what, man. It's featured, it's featuring heavily you and your story in the documentary. And it was probably one of the hardest things to find a name for. because I was like, how do I name this?

Like, it's about Sasquatch, but we have this like missing 4-1-1 thing. And then Joseph is like Sasquatch and the missing man. Just keep it simple. And like, perfect. I like that title, actually. I like that a lot. Yeah.

Unfortunately, they found that missing man. But I like that. Yeah, so. Sorry, did I give away the ending? I was joking. You ruined my documentary, man. You know, I think, I think that they suspect that the remains are his, right?

Yeah. Yeah. So in my book, the jury's still out. Here's the thing, though. I mean, like, what do you think about it? I mean, it's interesting because they, all right, so what they didn't say in the Facebook post is information that I was told by John's ex-fiance, which is that when they actually made a search party. and through that whole area they combed,

they found four dead bodies, but none of them were Johns. And so now months later, there's another human remains pile and they suspect it's John. And so I personally don't have a whole lot of high hopes on that because they found four of their bodies that weren't Johns to begin with.

Do you have any information on that other than what I just shared? No, basically what you said is what I got. they found a bunch of dead bodies up there. Remember I told you, people go up there missing all the time. And it's rarely, even people from this area don't realize how many people go missing right there. A couple of years back, I was looking into this guy. It was some kid.

I say kid. It was like 20 or 21. And he drank, I guess, a claim he was drunk. And he fell into the river and drowned. You've seen the river. You can't drown. I mean, you can walk across you can walk across this thing.

And it just didn't add up. But as far as what your question was, no, I haven't, I got that they found another one and they think it's John. They think it's the guy that was actually missing. But I don't think anyone has total proof yet. Yeah. And the whole, the way they found it,

talking about it being a human, skull and then body parts being found nearby, that's, that's different. You know, like, it, to me, all right, so you can go down the Bigfoot route, did Bigfoot tear somebody from lind to limb? Well, if they did, if it did, then why is it just being found now after they comb the area? Yeah. But what are the, I don't know the area as well as you do. Is there a chance that that, that area might be a dumping grounds for like illegal activity. Like people get killed, they chop them up and dump them up there?

No, I don't think it's known for that. There's not like the cartel running through there. And I don't think it's been known as a dumping ground. But I mean, there has been a lot of people go missing in that area. The Native Americans basically, from the very beginning, they're like, we're not setting up shop here. there's something wrong with this land. And they,

that's what Yacol means is haunted valley. That's a Native American term of what they gave it. And you know, if you were living back in like 1800s, that'd be a cool place to go set up shop. You got fresh water. You got plenty of game. You're relatively insulated from the heat and everything.

I mean, you have a lush forest, basically a jungle, and they refuse to set up shop there. They're like, we're out of here. So I don't know if there's like, it's cursed or what's going on. It's a beautiful place. At night, I think the atmosphere changes.

Doesn't feel like such a pretty beautiful place. But during the day it is. So when you and your brother went up there, was that your first time going up there at night? That was my first time there. I'd never been to, I'd been to molten falls several times, but I never drove past molten falls. and that's why I say the first night we were there I was like I kind of knew the area but I didn't know exactly where we're at

because I'd never driven back that far yeah it's a beautiful area but I can definitely I am witness to the environment change at night and it was interesting is that the the first night we went up there it was dead

like there was there was no activity it was just honestly it was boring I was just like, well, I hope we can muster a documentary out of this. And I remember that second night that we went up there, it just all changed for us. It started before we even got out of the RV, the vocalizations, the knocking on the wall. And it just kind of escalated from there. One thing, I'll tell you, one thing that didn't make the documentary that happened to

Joel and I, and it just didn't make it because we only had one person running a camera and it wasn't caught on camera even remotely, is that when we were outside in the rain and Joel had come back and we were all kind of getting ready to go back on the RV, Joel and I were the last ones outside and we're standing next to the RV and we hear a deep guttural growl behind us. like hair stand up, you turn around thinking that it's going to be right there and there was nothing there. We walked to the back of the RV, looked around the corner, didn't see anything there. And then we got on the RV pretending that that was going to keep us safe. But that happened and I was like, you know, it didn't go in the documentary because it just there was nothing there to document. Like it wasn't literally filmed. But it did happen to us. And it takes me back to your story where you described that towards the beginning, those things, growling and you could feel it. And, you know, kind of it took your experience and put it into real life for us.

And knowing that we were having that, all that other stuff happened around there in the same area that you had there. I understand why you don't go back up there, man. Like, I wouldn't, if I, if I experienced what you experience, I would have done the same thing. I'd be like, you guys are crazy, but I'm not going back. I already saw the things. I already saw the things. There's a lot of people in that area, though, that have had a lot of different experiences. And I know you've been documenting, obviously, on your show for, gosh, I mean, when did you start your show? 2012, something like that?

Yeah, I think it was 2012. 2012 or 2013? I think it was 2012. A long time, man. Over 10 years, you've experienced a lot and talked to a lot of people. Most recently, though, you talked, you had somebody on your show. And I think you told me it was in Provo, Utah. Was the guy in Provo, Utah that had been staying on that property and that activity?

Could you let the people know about that? Because I know we have a crossover of audience and stuff. But I think that story was one that I remember you called me about. You're like, dude, this story is bananas. And I had people messaging me about it because of some of the things that happened during that experience that he had. Yeah, the episode's called Three Months in Hell. And the gentleman that I had on, he really wasn't into Bigfoot.

Like Bigfoot wasn't even on his radar. And he found this property. And basically the guy had an RV on the property that he was running out. And it was cheap. It was easy. It was so this kid moved into it. And literally from day one, these things start tormenting him. They'd start hitting his RV.

They'd growl at him. They'd run off. And he had pictures of all. the damage. He had video recordings. You can hear them hit in the side of the RV and then run off. And it just got worse and worse and worse. I mean, this kid was terrified. He was absolutely terrified. And he would, he would, um, he started sitting up cameras all around the RV and some pointing to the home. He got some weird pictures. I mean, some of them are blob squatches, but he got some really bizarre pictures. He was saying one of

these creatures was on the homeowner's roof. And to me, that's kind of what it looks like. You know, you and I get blob squashes all day long. And people are like, oh, hey, there's 15 saskwatches in these bushes. And you're like, all I see is bushes. But this guy, I think he was captioned some real stuff. I really do. And he, this dog man thing showed up.

He didn't know what that was. He talked about its teeth. He said it was slobbering everywhere. the aggression towards him as you listen to the show, it gets worse, almost like they really wanted to kill him. It got so bad, I'm giving you like the summary of what happened, but basically it got so bad that he worked from home or from his RV, so he never had to leave.

He barricaded himself in, you know, this poor kid's like peeing in bottles. He's not going to the bat. You know, he's not leaving the RV for anything. and he has guns everywhere. And he ended up leaving. What was weird about the encounter and I said and I figured this part out is the homeowner, they were like terrified of the homeowner, which I don't get. He would call the homeowner, homeowner to rush over.

What's weird about the homeowner is he never said that there were Sasquatch on the property. The kid would start describing to the homeowner, what these creatures look like. And he never said yes and he never said no. But the weird part is he never treated this kid like he was crazy. Almost like he knew, but he didn't want to say he knew. And the weird part is every time he called a homeowner,

the homeowner would immediately rush back to the RV. Man, he said these creatures would scatter when this guy would show up. They would absolutely run away. And even this dog man creature would run, you know, I don't think the dog man. only made like one or two appearances, but the other creatures would scatter and run away.

And he, the day he left the RV, he would have his, basically, his gun on one hand, a handful of stuff, run out to his car, throw in his car, run back to the RV,

and he was making a couple, he didn't want to go leave and take all his stuff and then come back for a second load. So he just loaded as much as he could into this car. and he said, while that was going on, they were around the woodline

making all sorts of noise and running in between the trees and almost like intimidation. And he said the weird part is the homerner came out and he kind of lived over, I think on a little hill. It's not like they were next door to each other. I mean, they were really close,

but he was a little bit of a distance away. And he said the homeowner came out, started revving the motorcycle engine in front of his car. in front of his car in front of his house just wha, wow, wow,

wow, for no reason. And the kid was like, I think he was doing that as like, giving me cover to leave. He goes, it was almost weird thing

the weirdest thing I've ever seen. He's never done that. But from his home, he could see the creatures and he could see the RV and he could see what was going on. And, you know,

no, hey, goodbye, it was good seeing you, that sort of thing. don't worry about the rent or he was just like, bye, but he was revving the engine trying to get the creatures to kind of back off so he could get his stuff into his car so he could leave. So he left, and he left behind like thousands of dollars with the stuff,

brand new Xbox, brand new PlayStation. Excuse me. It was a crazy story, man. There's more to it. I didn't sleep very much last night, so I sound like I'm rambling. but I felt bad for this kid. I mean, you could hear the emotion when he's talking about this. This kid was scared, absolutely scared.

And when you see the damage, the pictures, some of the videos he sent me, I 100% believe what happened is what this kid said happened. Yeah, I mean, the relationship here with the homeowner, I mean, you said you're having a hard time figuring it out. I mean, at the very least, it sounds like the homeowner must have had some kind of pre-existing standing relationship with these things. I don't know. Relationship sounds almost friendly. I don't think that is probably the case here.

But it's like something must have happened beforehand that these things recognized the homeowner and ran away. I mean, unless maybe do you think that those creatures would have reacted to anybody? going back there during those moments? Or it seemed like it was very particular, the homeowner, there's something to do with the homeowner. Yeah, there was something with the homeowner because the other weird part. So he had a mother-in-law studio. Sorry, man, fine allergies.

He had a mother-in-law studio underneath this home. And he rented that out to a family with a child. And this guy, the guest, on the show, he was saying that, you know, I, I didn't want, he was worried about the kid, basically. And, but he didn't know how to tell the homeowner or the new renters that are over there. Hey, by the way, I captured this dog man. And he did have a weird picture.

I mean, it looks like a freaking canine. And so he told the, the new homer eventually, or the new renters, eventually what was going on. and I guess there was one night where this dog man thing showed up again, and he said that he woke up the next day and that new renter was gone within a matter of like two weeks they were gone. They were leaving. And so I don't know if the impression I get is the homeowner, this guy says he thinks the homeowner was shooting at them and was very aggressive,

like he would just come for them, which is weird when you think about it, how big these creatures are, how weird it is, and you're just going to go in there charging at them, you know, with their size. Something is very wrong.

Something didn't make sense with the homeowner. He knew something. I know a lot of my members were saying that, oh, he was the dog man. I don't know if that's possible or not. I love your members. But, I mean, when you listen to this kid's story,

I mean, it doesn't sense. that crazy. It really doesn't sound that crazy that this guy might be the dog man because he was very aggressive towards these things and they scattered the minute he showed up. They wanted nothing to do with this guy. He's the king dog man. He's the king dog man of the property. I'll tell you like I'm glad that your members said that because it kind of warms up the conversation. because, you know, I know your show is about Sasquatch and everything, but over the years, you've definitely done your fair share of episodes with Dogman.

What are your thoughts on the Dogman topic? I mean, like, your paradigm was shift with the idea of Bigfoot with your own experience. As far as I know, we've talked a lot over the years. You've never had a personal experience with Dogman, but yet you have covered it on your show. You've had people on the show talking about it. it. What are your thoughts? I mean, obviously, you believe people are seeing something and having these interactions. So what do you think these are? I mean, like, it's easy. It's easy to explain

Bigfoot. If you want to go just a pure natural, oh, it's an upright walking hominid. We can't keep up with. You're on the confessions, bro. I don't believe that. So like, but I mean, when it comes to dog, man, that's a little harder to explain that way. Wouldn't you say? Or would you say? Yeah, I think you even have a difficult time explaining Sasquatch that way. You know, and I get why people want to, I get why people think go down the ape route. I completely get why they do that. But having said that, after a while, you start to realize there's questions you can't answer. and there's answers to those questions that make no sense.

That make no sense. You can say, well, why don't we have a body of one that died naturally? And you can get away with that argument in the Pacific Northwest. Hard to get away with the argument when it's Arizona. You know, in the Pacific Northwest, you can go, well, you know, if I shot a deer, it'd be gone on a week. The forest, sorry, man, allergies. The forest is it consumes everything in the Pacific Northwest, especially with the soil being so acidic. It will consume everything.

Arizona, you know, you start talking about these other states where these creatures are, and all of a sudden that argument starts to fall apart, you know. Then when you get outside the United States, I mean, you go to Australia, you go to China, almost every continent has. a lore of this thing. Even reports up until this day. And you tell me some Russian doesn't pop one off, you know, coming through his yard, some,

I don't know if they can have guns in Australia, but you know what I mean? Like, I just have a hard time buying into the fact that some of these arguments. So when the dog man thing came along, I really didn't, I didn't know what to make of the dog man. I really,

my first thought was, there is this other Sasquash that people say, and I just had a guy on a hunter that ran into one. It's very rare, but basically it's a Sasquatch with a long snout. People describe it looking more like a baboon. And for the longest time,

I was like, that's what people must be seeing. Because an upright canine, that makes no sense. Like, it doesn't work that way. You know what I mean? And I was very skeptical.

of the dog man until I really started talking to hunters. The first hunter I talked to, he was on the border of Louisiana and Texas. Now, this guy had been hunting longer than I'd been alive. And basically what he does is he goes out to properties and he gets rid of nuisance predators. And not only that, but when you go into the hunting store, you can buy game calls and you basically, you know,

it's your own little, so you don't have to learn how to, you know, do a turkey call. You can just go get the thing and it'll do it for you. Well, most of those game calls are his calls. He created most of those. He's actually kind of a famous hunter. And when I had him on the show, he describes this encounter with a dog man where he was doing this wounded rabbit call. And he was there to get a mountain line off the property, I believe, if my memory's right. And he said, what came down the hill was the biggest wolf he had ever seen in his life. He goes, this thing was a monster. And it was on all fours. Man, he's still thinking wolf. And he's hiding in the bushes. And it's coming to his game call. It's trying to figure out where he's at in the bushes.

So he has his rifle looking through the scope right between the eyes of this thing. And as he was looking at the face of it, he was describing it to me. It was a little bit more than a wolf. But I mean, if you were to put it in very simple terms, it looked like a wolf. Then it stood up on two legs like a man. And he said the arms were, he goes, everything from the neck down was very in a weird way like a man. He goes, but the head was nothing more than a wolf. And it was looking around sniffing the air trying to figure out where he was at.

And it pinpointed where he was at. And they make direct eye contact. And he has the gun on it pointed, you know, he's right between the eyes of this thing. And it takes off running. And he said, I've never seen. anything run that quick. And this thing's on two legs and it runs off, by the way. And so, you know, that was many years ago.

And after a while, you start to hear the same consistent report on these things over and over and over again. The weird part is they seem to be bulletproof. I had a biologist in, or was he, Minnesota, I believe. He shot one. And he thought it was just this weird large wolf on his property. And he shot it in the bullet. It didn't do anything. Didn't even phase this thing.

And so I guess what you ask is my take on it. I think what is, you know, many years ago with the UFO thing, people always assumed it was beings coming from other galaxies, millions of miles away. And we can't stop them. most UFO hunters now believe they're coming from here. There's something going on where they're coming into our reality. And I kind of think Sasquatch does the same thing.

I remember when I very first got into this and even the dog man, you would hear Native Americans say that. And it sounds crazy. What do you mean is coming into our reality? That sounds like, so when they're here, they're physical, but then they go off somewhere else. Like, how do you explain, I think anyone halfway irrational or halfway sane that sounds completely like BS? But then you get weird reports of Sasquatch just seemingly vanishing into thin air.

And people aren't like proud to come on and say this because they know it sounds crazy. Or the dog man. It just makes me wonder if they're coming, like especially the dog man, I think is an entity. probably a demonic entity people who aren't religious let's go with the entity then coming from somewhere else and when it's here it's physical

there's no other way to explain I mean if that sounds crazy give me another explanation on this dogman thing thousands of people were just lying for what you know what I mean

and what's weird is if you get thousands of people lying you would think there would be all sorts of inconsistencies and there's not. People don't know each other. They're telling the exact same story. They're telling you, you know, so I guess to answer your question in a long,

roundabout way, I think for sure the dog man is some entity coming into our reality. And it's all throughout history too. That's the other weird part. When you start looking at history, you get weird reports of

these half man, half can. nine things running around. It's bizarre, man. Yeah. But that's my take on it. And I don't know. I always say I don't, I really don't know what to make of it, you know? Yeah, I mean, I think none of us know. We all have our own opinions and thoughts on the topics.

But, I mean, what you're saying is really kind of the vibe that, you know, I kind of go with myself. And what, you know, we tend to talk a lot about on the show. is that these things, Bigfoot, Dogman, UFOs, aliens, other things people are experiencing are much more interdimensional than previously thought, let's put it that way. I mean, even with the Dog Man stuff, I mean, like you look at ancient times, the Anubis, and you just throughout history.

I think, and was it, France in the 1800s or something like that? They had that wolf creature that was killing like over 200 people in that small village or something. Like, I mean, this is something that's been going on for a really long time. This isn't just, you know, people, the degration, the degradation, what's the way I'm looking for? Degration of human intelligence over time. Like, this has been happening for a long time. And, you know, there is an interaction with these things that is being documented, not only on the personal level that we're hearing on our shows, but also on the governmental level.

When you're talking about the UFOs and things like that, I mean, the last, let's just say, you know, my show has been around for seven years, so let's just say seven years. The, the UFO topic has taken a whole different spin. You know, before the quote-unquote disclosure, the most common perception was that these are ET extraterrestrial. They came from another galaxy, highly intelligence there. The most probably woo-woo you would get was they're us from the future, you know, and their time traveling. But this idea of, of these being more spiritual beings, transcending realms,

is more new, but at the same time, it's not because, like, you look at, like, Ezekiel's wheel. I mean,

like, that sounds like a UFO experience, you know, and that was thousands of years ago. Yeah. And so it's like, I have, I pulled this tweet up here

because I just, I find it, I find it very interesting for many different reasons. This guy tweeted out, he said, in terms of those metallic spheres slash drones, this is what the alleged new firsthand UFO whistleblower Jason Sands had to say in his space last night, meaning, you know, the X spaces where people talk live. The metallic, quote, the metallic spheres are NHA, non-human intelligence, drones. They are using them because our direct energy weapons are affecting their manned crafts. So this whistleblower is coming forward and saying that these spiritual entities are now sending drones to our realm and not sending their manned crafts because we are interacting with them seemingly in an aggressive, hostile manner.

And they are now sending drones so that they can, I guess, spare their manned UFOs. to me, this whole thing is starting to take a real interdimensional shift that wasn't really possible just a few years ago. And when it comes to the dogman and Bigfoot, I think there's a real argument to be made with that stuff, man. Like the, I had just talked to a guy, and this hasn't even aired yet, but I had talked to a guy who owns property between, I think it's, it's, it's, the Bray Road, the Beast of Bray Road and Bower Road, or Brower Road. but he owns like 35 acres of farmland. And he's been documenting the Beast of Bray Road on his property for, I think it's like 12 years or something like that.

And some of the stuff that he has, man, it's like that doesn't seem very physical. It seems interdimensional. And one thing that's like a sign, I guess, of things is this metallic sound. And this is what people were messaging me about with your show. the guy that was on that property and was being tormented by these things, the creatures, people were telling me that I had to go listen to your show because this guy was talking about the metal sounds. Do you recall what he was saying? Yeah, he would describe weird vocalizations.

He would describe the normal vocalizations that a lot of people do. But he would also describe a lot of metal sounds, like metallic sounds, weird. odd metallic sounds he would hear all the time. Like one of the examples was you'd hear this gate door open. And it was like a metal gate. There's no metal gate anywhere under this property. And he would hear it constantly. And one of the nights he heard it is when he saw that dogman thing.

But he would hear this metal gate open all the time. And there's no metal gate. There's nothing around that would cause that sound. And he looked everywhere. He went on Google Earth. He was like, well, maybe it's around here somewhere, I'm just not seeing it.

And he said it was a, you know, so that sort of thing is what he would hear. Just weird metallic sounds, you know, that weren't there. There's nothing to go, well, that's this. You know what I mean? Yeah. We,

I say we because I look at like what we talk about on the show is, I feel like if people are returning as an audience, then I assume that they are, kind of at least walking and step with what I think. So when I say we, I mean, make me and the audience. But like, we've been finding in conversation these metallic sounds popping up before people have encounters with these creatures. And I don't know if this is a new phenomenon or it probably isn't a new phenomenon.

It might be a new phenomenon where people are actually talking about it. I don't know what if you ever recall hearing this as a repetitive theme, but I have over the last couple years. and the theory, my working theory, is that it's not even a theory, it's more of a question. Is it possible if these things are coming from other realms? Is that the sound that people hear when that activity starts? Like when something is starting to pierce that veil, come through whatever you want to call it, a portal or whatever, is the sound, does that make a sound and does that sound remind people of metallic sounds?

I've heard, you know, sounds like a metal door slamming, gates opening, crink. of, you know, metal sheets, things like that. And it's just, it's something that I theorize, I guess, and think about out loud, which is, you know, does a portal have a sound? And does that sound, is that sound metal? I don't know. Is that your first time that you recall hearing about the metal sounds on your show? No, you hear about them all the time.

I remember this guy who was, he was, he teaches like quantum mechanics and all this stuff. he described that if there are theorizes, I should say, that if you were to go from one dimension to the next, there would not only be sound, but a residue of smell. And which is weird because when Bigfoot's around, you hear this, you always hear about this weird smell.

That doesn't act like normal, like something's stinking. You know, if something stinks, you can smell it, smell it as you get closer and closer. Like, wow, the same really stinks. But it permeates the air. You know, like a skunk or something like that.

What's weird about the smell with Sasquatch is people walk into it and walk out of it. Smell doesn't work that way. You know, you don't walk into it and walk out of it. Even if you're past the smell, you're still going to smell a little bit of it. You know what I mean? And that's not how people describe it. I don't know. As far as your question goes, yeah, there's been many accounts of people hearing metallic or metal

type sounds, the problem is, is it's not every time. It's not consistent. So you hear about it, but then you'll hear an encounter where a hunter runs into one, and there's no metallic sound. He just sees a creature.

Ron Moore had described that. Would he capture those Sierra sounds, what, back in the 60s? I think it was 60s. I think it was the 70s, but yeah, somewhere around there. I want to say late 60s, early 70s. I'd be wrong. But I'll trust you.

He describes the sounds of car doors being slammed. He describes the sound of a lot of metallic sounds that weren't there. I think Ron talked about one time almost a gate sound here. And there's no gate around there. So it might be something to that. I don't know. It's just what's frustrating about the Sasquatch topic is, you'll have people, let's say, a hunter or a hiker run into one.

And basically they're running into what they describe as nothing more than an animal, some weird primate. And the encounter lasts very short. Usually the creature goes one way. The person runs the opposite way. So when I was saying in the beginning, I get why people say it's an ape. I get why people go down that route.

But then you have people who have these things on their property. And they'll start telling you weird, odd things that, you know, because they're seeing them more than just that one quick like a hunter or hiker. It's like, oh, you know, I ran into some weird ape and it ran off. It was kind of manlike, but it happens so quick. Then on people's properties, they start talking about these weird lights they're seeing or they'll talk about the eyes glowing. And I've had many, many, many, many hunters that I've insulted over the years by saying, you sure that wasn't I shine? You know, these guys know I shine.

They see it every day. But I almost have to ask that question for the audience, not so much for my own wondering. And their guys are like, no, it was, these eyes were absolutely glowing like lights. Or you'll get, you just start getting into the weird stuff. You know, and it's really hard to know that's why there's such a division in this topic. Because people who want it to be an ape, all this other stuff is BS. We only talked to the people that had an encounter that ran into what they call an ape, and we're going to go with that narrative.

All this other stuff they throw away because it's uncomfortable. And I get why they throw it away. They want science to look into this, this, you know, non-human primate that somehow has evaded everyone all these years and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, if you're looking for all nice answers, you can't just throw everything away. Even though it sounds crazy, it doesn't fit into my worldview. When I very first really started going with everything, I'm going to take this whole picture and look at it. And I was uncomfortable having people come on and go, hey, you know, less drought going, hey,

I saw the creature up on the hill with a small one and I heard in my head if you want to see us today of the night and it freaked me out and basically I left what do you do with that? I know Les has nothing to gain by saying that he has everything to lose by saying that

but he's like this is what happened so what do you do with something like that I don't even remember what your first question was man it's been a rough way It doesn't matter. It's been a really tough week. Just having good conversation. No, the less Stroud thing, I don't know if people realize this, but it happened about 30 minutes from where I'm sitting right now.

No, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. So he was doing it for Survivor Man, Bigfoot, and he came here to East Tennessee. And Scott Carpenter, God rest Scott Carpenter's soul, he took him out to. an area that he had been researching. Oh, that's right. And having lots of, yeah, lots of experiences. And just to let people know,

so we have, we shot a documentary that will be released in 2025. And it's the most dramatic experience I have ever had in the woods and it happened in the same woods at last had that experience. Oh, well. we like I I thought I was going to lose my life at first split second I literally pulled my gun out

it was caught on camera it it was the most terrifying thing I've ever experienced and at the same time it was the most confusing thing I've ever experienced but it happened literally in those woods and I've had numerous, really weird things happen to those woods since. Like, I go back a lot because I can't help myself. I'm a little psycho. But then again, I haven't seen it.

Like you have, you know, like I've had these experiences that scared the crap out of me. Was that I wasn't with the monkeys? I mean, I don't want to ruin it. No, it's fine. I've talked about it before just sparingly, but yeah, the monkeys. And being charged by,

by something. It was big. It drooled all over me and it said, I'm sparing your life today. No, not that quite dramatic, but it scared me a lot.

Yeah, and I don't want to run the documentary, but I know what you're talking about. Here's the thing, though, I'm convinced that the best way to sell a documentary to tell people what's in it,

you know? That's the way I look at things. The same thing with books. Whenever I have an author come on the show, I'm like, hey, tell them what's in the book because that's the best way to sell the book. You know, people, you know,

sometimes they dance around and like, well, you have to buy the book to find out. And it's like, nobody's going to buy the book now. I hate one authors do that, man. I always warner them about that too. I'm like, you have to think about the listener. You know, you're not going to go into it because you've got to buy the book. You're just pissing people off. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I totally know what you mean.

And so that's the philosophy I have with the documentaries. That's why, you know, when I go on other people's shows and I talk about it, I literally talk about what's in it and stuff. Because, I mean, listen, we're selling a story, the journey that we went on. And we want to tell you about that. But me telling you the journey doesn't compare to you experiencing it with me. And that's why the documentary is there, right? And so the same thing with the books.

But, yeah, that Les Stroud thing happened in the same woods that I frequent. But do you think that there's a spiritual component to, like, you were talking about how people kind of define these creatures and stuff, do you think that there is a pre-existing foundation that people have on a spiritual level that they lean on to define these things? So like somebody is like, God's not real, there is no supernatural realm, therefore all these people saying that, you know, these creatures disappear or whatever, they're crazy. And vice versa,

do you think that if people that, you know, come into an experience where they have that that worldview of a supernatural realm and stuff, maybe it's not as hard for them to, you know, perceive what they experienced or this idea that these things could, you know, seemingly disappear in the middle of a field, you know? Like I just feel like there's like this, this, especially on the natural side of things, it's like a lot of the people who don't want it to be anything other than a physical creature,

also the same people who are like, God's not real. we've always been here or we came here from some kind of little tiny cell. You know what I mean? Yeah, I guess I'm not really sure of the question. I think that I'm always amazed when people don't think that God is real.

And again, I'm not, I get accused of it now all the time, but I'm really not, you know, a religious person by any means. But, you know, I think when you, you, to answer your question, I would say, yeah, you'll get some people who are heavily into science, which I don't think is a bad thing. I think science is a good thing. You know, there's a lot of things that science can explain. But they stop at that point. I remember I was watching this atheist and he does DNA. He's like a DNA something. I don't remember what he

exactly what he does, but he studies like the cell structure. basically how the makeup of the human body. And after years and years and years of studying this and becoming proficient and becoming somewhat of an expert in this, he came to the conclusion that there must be God. Because, and he went through this long explanation that was way over my head because it's all DNA. And he was basically saying,

this whole thing is designed. This just didn't have. happen. There's a design behind this. And you know, you don't even have to go to a DNA level to stop and go. There's a design to the universe. You know, the sun's in a position where we just had that eclipse, right? What happens if that moon stays in front of that sun? Guess what? It's a very short time we all freeze to death. We all die. The sun, if it was any further away in our galaxy, we would all die. If it was any closer to us in our galaxy, we would all die. That seems weird. to me. I mean, and all that happened by chance, I just don't, I struggle with that because

that seems like a hell of a coincidence and a hell of a lot of chances going on for something or someone not to be designing this whole thing. Or even us, our human bodies. The human body is the greatest gift you'll ever have. It's the best. And yeah, it deteriorates over time, but it's amazing when you look at it. So I'm always amazed when scientists stop at a certain point and there's atheists out there because if you are really a student of science, it's usually you're a student of all sciences.

And when you really start looking into it, you're like, there's no way all this happened by chance. There is no way all this happened by chance. But I think sometimes people get in that mindset and they don't believe, like he said, one way, they don't really buy into God or spiritual entity. So when they hear this stuff, it sounds crazy. But it's like I said, go get a Ouija board.

Go play with it for four months and come back and tell me the spiritual world is not real. I promise you won't. Yeah. I mean, so I guess. I don't think I answered any of your questions. Well, no, no, you did. You did. You actually helped me maybe help understand what I was trying to ask.

my thing was I feel like people come into these topics with a base understanding of what reality is whether it's a spiritual understanding or a scientific evolutionary type understanding

and based off of those understandings most people, not all people but most people stay in those lanes throughout the entire journey of trying to understand these other topics and and there tends not to be this crossover

and I personally had the crossover. I came into it with a spiritual worldview, but I looked at these cryptids as very physical. Like, Dogman was something that I was like, come on, give me a break. That ain't real. And the Bigfoot, like, I was like, well, we're going to go find the thing. Like, it's a real physical creature out there. It's not going to be that hard to find. We'll go out and we'll knock this out in a weekend. Like, I really thought it was going to be that easy. Like, I was just like, yeah, it's a physical creature. It's huge. How can we miss it? And as I looked into it more and more, the more I started jumping over to the other other side of things.

I'm like, I think these things might be more spiritual. But in general, I get the sense that when people have this, whatever the foundation is for them, that tends to be their launching point. They stay in that lane a lot on both sides. And I just wasn't sure if you kind of experienced the same thing in those thought processes. No, I think what happens is, like I said before, you'll get a hunter or hiker or whatever. that will have an encounter in its brief. And basically what they saw was a non-human primate,

even though it kind of looked human. And it was a very short glance at the thing. And then they become researchers, and they're tracking down trying to find this ape the rest of their life. And so when people will say, oh, I, you know, the eyes were glowing. You know, people go, well, that's BS. I never saw the eyes glowing in my encounter.

And so they live in this really narrow bubble of, well, that didn't happen to me. So it must be complete nonsense. And then you'll get people on the other end of it that, you know, the eyes were glowing. And so they don't know what to make of that because there's no animal running around that has its eyes glowing with light because you can't see. So I don't know there's so much like a preconceived notion of whether you're

religious or not. I think a lot of what happens is it has to do with what they saw in their one and only encounter and nothing else. Does that make any sense? I don't know.

It makes sense to a certain extent but I mean like I've never had an encounter you know and there's people out there that have experiences. I think you're speaking for the people,

from the perspective of the people who've had encounters. But there's people out there like me who've never had an encounter like you had or other people. And for my side of the camp, like you and I are representing two different sides of camps here. But from my side of the camp, I feel like there seems to be,

and for a world of people who, at least this used to be more true, I think, back in the day than it is now, to be honest with you, when I first started podcasting, this this realm whatever you want to call it of category we delve into um was like open-minded we think outside the box kind of people there were certain boxes that just were not they were not willing to jump out of at all it was just like no whether you saw the thing and that's what

formed your opinion on it or you you dove into it like me it was like you found a lane and you stuck to it and uh it can be a little disconc disheartening for me at times when you see that over and over again. But I think at the same time, I think that we are experiencing a shift where, you know, and maybe if anything, because I kind of poo poo on the whole government disclosure stuff with UFOs. Like it just kind of, I'm like, yeah, they're probably telling us like half true is what they want us to know so they can manipulate us more. But like the good thing that I see coming out of it is I am seeing more and more people give more credence to the idea of interdimensionalism than ever before. And I, you know, I.

I, for me, and the way I think about things, I'm like, yeah, that's pretty encouraging. Now, for you, if you're getting emails accusing you that you're becoming a spiritual person or whatever, they're probably, be honest, are you getting emails saying you're hanging out with Merkel too much? I've got to give. I believe it. People don't understand is what builds our friendship is we're two completely different people. but we respect each other and you know

I know when we very first became friends you were way more spiritual than I ever was I was like I don't know about all this but it has nothing to do with you

it's just like my own little journey in life and it's hard to copy someone when it comes to being spiritual because you can't copy someone it doesn't work that way I just think there's more to life, then there's more going on here than what most people realize, I think, personally.

I don't know. That's my opinion, of course. Yeah. No, then I do too. So, listen, let's wind it down here. But I know you like talking about other things as well. And you're going to be looking into doing some different things with your show moving forward with new segments and things like that.

What are some topics that, you know, Wes Gürmer enjoys diving into that maybe the world wouldn't really, you know, because I think maybe everybody that listens to your show and, you know, it's Sasquatch Chronicles. So Wes just looks at Sasquatch, right? That's all you ever looked at. I think that you don't know anything about anything else, I'm assuming.

Well, that might be accurate. Well, knowing and looking into things are very different things, right? So I look into a lot of things to say, anything, you know. But I like other topics. I mean, I've studied, you know, I almost think I know where Atlantis is, and I think it's Antarctica. And I've been studying these old maps because Antarctica didn't show up on any maps until

like the 1800s. They said anyway. But then they started finding all these old maps from like 1,500 and before. And it's a continent of Antarctica. but it's seven degrees north of where Antarctica is now. And they were calling it Atlantis on all these maps. Makes you wonder what, you know, that's a weird reference because Atlantis is a pretty famous place.

But even on all these maps, pre-1500s, it shows up, but it's seven degrees north. And it makes you wonder if the continent shifted and it went down there. Because Atlantis is like one of those things where it's in every lore of every culture. But it just vanished. It, you know, but, you know, I like studying that. I like the pyramids. I was telling you about this crazy dream I had about the pyramids. I think I was looking too much into them. And I'll tell you the dream if you want me to say it. But I want you to say it. Do you want to say it? Yeah,

no, I mean, to answer you, and I'll tell you what I dream, but I think that I like everything. I like World War II history. I study a lot of weird stuff, man. A lot of stuff that just fascinates me. So it's pretty much around the box. And I know with my after dark program, I've been saying it's coming, but I'm actually working on it,

trying to get it produced and trying to figure out a few things. But my dream about the pyramid, and again, I don't know if I fell asleep listening something on YouTube, or if I was just looking into the subject too long, but I had this weird and it was such a vivid dream

I mean sometimes you dream they're very real but sometimes when you dream you're like I can tell you what it smelled like I can tell you what it felt like I can tell you just a real real vivid dream anyway

long story short I had this crazy dream I was in the the Giza pyramid the big one and I was walking around trying to figure out what this building

was for. Like, I couldn't figure out what this building was for. And the weird part is there was water running underneath the pyramid. And I was in a, I walked up, I think it was the key,

they called a key chamber. I don't know. It was just a room that I was in. And there was a weird sound I was hearing. And I don't remember if it was the E chord or what I was hearing.

It was, I know it from the guitar. I played it before. I can't remember off the top of my head, which chord I was hearing. But I was hearing a chord from the guitar. So I knew this sound, but it was constant. And the other weird part about it is it sounded like the, when you fire up Apple, the, dun, dun,

I mean, that's what, and it was driving me nuts the next day because I'd heard it so much in my dream. And basically what I was figuring out in my dream in one of the rooms, it looked like there was some sort of like explosion. Like the top was black. And this guy started explaining to me about the pyramid and was saying that the reason why the capstone on top is gold is this is a power station.

The reason why they're all around the world is their power stations. They are Wi-Fi, power communication. And that's really what he was. was saying in my dream that all of this is power stations or power stations all around the world. These aren't just weird buildings, you know, because you find pyramids everywhere, even in Alaska, and you find them, you know, in the South America. But it was really, it was such a bizarre dream because I could tell you what it smelled like in there. It smelled like old. It smelled like your grandma's like closet. It just smelled old. And I started researching it. And I found Tesla's

coil, like a mock-up of Tesla's coil. And it's exactly the same thing that the pyramid was for. You've got to have water, it's frequency, and the gold capstone is because it is the best way to conduct energy or it's the best conductor. And it was weird, man, it was a bizarre, like I said, I don't know that it wasn't like I got a message. I don't like I got a message from anyone, but it was just, maybe I was listening to YouTube when I fell asleep, I don't know, but it was.

a very, very vivid, bizarre dream. And I remember just sitting there in shock realizing, oh, these are power stations. These are, you know that theory has been thrown around before, but I've never really looked into the pyramids that much. And I remember in one of the rooms, like I said, the walls were black, looked like some weird explosion went off in there.

And the weird frequency that, you know, anyone was ever in the apple they know what I'm talking about that's what I was hearing in the pyramid and there was some sort of like the guy was there's some sort of chemical reaction that you have to do to fire it up

but once it's on it's on but you know anyway my crazy dream well no I'm glad you said let me ask you something because I'm assuming you don't get into dreams a whole lot on your show not really but

have Have you ever, all right, let me ask you this. During that dream, did you have any moments where you felt like you knew you were dreaming and like it felt more real than this reality? I wouldn't say I felt like I was dreaming. I felt like I was there. Like when I woke up, I was like, holy crap, I've been inside the pyramid. Like that was my first thought. Like, oh, you know, I've been there.

I know exactly what's inside that place, which I don't. but for my dream, I'm like, I was there. I was actually there. I know how this thing works. Not that I know exactly how it works, but I get the concept of what is going on here. And I kind of get the concept of this weird chemical reaction that has to happen in order to fire this thing up.

I mean, I sound like a madman. But when I woke up, I think I even called you. I was like, I've been in the, you know, and I was just freaking out. I was like, I can tell you what it smelled like in there. I can tell you, like, I can tell you everything. about it. But again, until I go to the pyramids,

I don't know if my dream is accurate or not. But it wasn't so much like, oh, I'm dreaming. I can just, I felt like I was there. Like it was hot in the pyramid. I was sweating. I remember, like, my shirt was wet.

I was like, God, it's hot in here. And it smelled and it was bizarre, man. It was a bizarre. I've done that a few times over the years. They're just really intense dreams to wear. I wouldn't say you know your dream. I mean, it's like you just feel like I was there. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Well, yeah, and I guess that's where I'm going with it, where, you know, I've, not that I can remember, at least, I don't remember having lucid dreams. Yeah. But from what I've been told, lucid dreams feel like you're really there. They feel like you're in this dream state, but it's like you're in a different state of existence that feels just as real as this real or more real. And when people are having those experiences, I think that that's not just a figment of

somebody's imagination. It's not somebody looking into pyramids too much on YouTube. I think that there was some kind of experience that that person had that they, for very basic ways of explaining, they transcended something to be in another place present in another place. And I was talking to you just the other day about the guy that I was here in studio, Hunter, who essentially did that with my house. And, you know, him and I, we still communicate. We're talking and stuff. But like, that's an example of somebody who, had a lucid dream and his whatever makes us up on the inside, whether it's your soul,

spirit or something else, went away and it went somewhere else. And for him, it went to the end of my driveway. And he saw some funky stuff. And, you know, it's just, I think people have experiences where there, there's like with him, he had that dream and it held a lot of weight for me. It actually defines some things that were going on in my head at the moment. But then there's other experiences that people have where, you know, it's more of a almost like a download of information. And so I don't think it's to be taken lightly. I don't think you should, you know, dwell on it and feel like, oh, I have to figure this out. But I don't think that it should be just brushed off as, oh, it's just a silly dream because I don't think it is a silly dream.

I think dreams hold a lot more significance than what I traditionally have ever given. And, you know, I'm starting to wake up to that realization that when we go to sleep, there's more going on than just imagination. It could be. I'm telling you the man, like when I woke up, I felt like that dream was more real than where I was at when I woke up. Again, I just think it was just a crazy, I mean, it was just a crazy dream that I had, you know. Yeah, what you need to do I was going to be doing it on dream.

I'd go like the Playboy Mansion. I wouldn't go to Liza and like hanging out in Egypt. You know what I mean? Yeah, I, I need you to come to Tennessee, hang out with your woo-woo friend a little bit. And we'll get the woo-woo rubbed off on you. Because I'm telling you, like, you didn't call me. You text me and you text me a lot after you woke up.

I was tripping out, man. I was like, holy crap, I've been. Because it was so. Like when I woke up, it wasn't as real as that dream. It was so bizarre. Like, you know, in most dreams, I can't say that I smell anything or I remember like sweating or, you know, in most dreams. Do you ever notice like you can never really remember someone's face or you never really remember how you got from like point A to point B? All of a sudden now you're like in another dream and like, or you're somewhere else in that dream and you can't remember how you got there.

This was kind of weird, man. Like I could tell you every moment of that dream. It's not like I just appeared somewhere else. But again, I think it might have just been a crazy, crazy dream. But who knows? Yeah, I don't know. But I'll say that I'm looking back at my text messages right now. I'm on the East Coast and you text me at 7 o'clock my time.

So it was like early, this is something that affected you to the point that, you know, what was that, 4 o'clock, 4 a.m., your time, you're awake, texting me about your journey. It was a trip, man. It was a trip. Yeah. Yeah, that's wild, man. But listen, man, I appreciate you hopping on with me. I'm looking forward to people being able to watch the documentary. This is the first time that you've been able to share your experience on video like that. And I imagine, knowing you, I imagine it'll probably be the last time you do it. But, you know, it's, it's been, it's been a wild ride putting it together. And I appreciate you letting me share your story like that.

And, you know, people, I think people are going to really enjoy it. And they're going to, they're going to, I think there's, I think what we were able to do with it was there's a difference between episode 52 where you came on and shared your experience. And then you sharing that experience and us being able to bring it to life through showing them where this happened. And I think it's going to be, it's going to be good for people to see. And I'm excited about it. So I just wanted to say thanks so much for not only coming on the show and just hanging out with me in leading up to the documentary premiere, but also let me come out there with my clown posse to run around the woods and try to find Bigfoot on your turf. Yeah, ma'am.

I was happy to do it. And thank you so much for having me, brother. Absolutely.