Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1057 I Believe in Bigfoot Project

Episode Date: May 19, 2024

I will be interviewing Kelley Lockman. Kelley is an American actor, director and screenwriter. Born and raised in Georgia, Kelley's passion for film eventually led him to film school and then to acting. Kelley has appeared in various TV shows and films, including Tyler Perry's "A Fall From Grace." He has written and directed his own work and recently completed "A Sunset in Winter," in which he wrote, directed and starred. He started a new project called I Believe in Bigfoot Project. You can watch the episodes on YouTube. Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO04DCiqtp8 Kelley writes "We spoke a few years ago briefly. The Squatchwatchers made an introduction for me. At that time I was beginning the process of working on a documentary about Bigfoot. But since then things have gone a bit crazy! The path I started to go down led me into places I never expected and I've been able to document some truly amazing stuff! The story became so huge that its just too much for a movie. I am now releasing it as a series on YouTube and Rumble."

Hi. My name is Kelly Lockman and for the past year and a half or so, I've been working on a documentary film called I Believe in Bigfoot, a film for believers. And in doing so, I've been researching the subject of Bigfoot kind of constantly for that period of time. And one thing I realized in doing all that and interviewing all the amazing people and going on all the amazing adventures I've got to go on is that what, we discovered what I've seen and witnessed. It's just a lot more than one movie can handle, to be perfectly honest with you. In fact, it's probably gonna be two films, but in addition to the films,

I'm launching this channel. My friend David Bekara, who runs the Bigfoot Museum in Blue Ridge, warned me when I started down this road, warned me that it would be very difficult to take off the investigator hat. And I haven't taken it off yet. So stay tuned to this channel. You'll be updated with everything related to the films, but also hopefully updated with everything related to Bigfoot.

I'm going to do my best, guys. I can promise you, I'll never lie. And in as much as I can, what I'm going to present to you is going to be true. There's a crazy world out there that I suspected existed, but until I saw it for myself, yeah, I can't wait to show you. It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind, and it either heard me or smelt me, and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight and that shocked me.

They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forward, Back and forwards, back and forward. I know what a bear looks like, and there is no way on this planet of what I saw the bears.

What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's what on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in. Uh-uh.

I will tell you who I am in a minute. Why don't you take a seat? I am Chris Hansen, and you're listening to Sasquatch Conyers. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Kelly Lockman. And he's from the I believe in Bigfoot Project.

This whole thing started out as a documentary. And Kelly turned it into a series and put it up on YouTube. I'll include a link if you want to check out his work. He does a pretty good job. And Kelly just kind of started out with this whole thing as kind of the next project. And he had a lot of different experience. experiences that change his mind on the whole subject and this being very, very real. And I'll let Kelly go into it.

Again, if you go to YouTube, check it out. It's the I Believe in Bigfoot project. And again, I'll include links underneath this episode. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight.

I want to welcome Kelly to the show. Kelly, thanks for coming on. Oh, thank you for having, Wes. I really appreciate it, man. Yeah, man, I'm happy to have you. And for the audience, again, go to YouTube, check out the I believe in Bigfoot project that Kelly is working on. And to my understanding, it started out as a documentary

and kind of moved to a series that you're putting out on. YouTube. Can I ask you, Kelly, what kind of got you into wanting to make this? Was it an encounter or what was the ambition behind the project? Honestly, Wes, probably the most kind of not cynical, but like, I, so I've always been a filmmaker, right? And I was actually researching for a screenplay. And I was just, I was trying to think of like, I had a pretty successful short film a couple of years ago, successful for me anyway, won a lot of awards and stuff like that. And so I wanted to follow it up with a feature. And I was trying to think of something low budget to do that would be fun, that would have kind of a built-in audience. And I was

like, well, Bigfoot's, you know, I see that, I see Bigfoot bumper stickers on every other car I see. So I I think that's got an interest. So I came up with a screenplay idea that was like, and I still think it's a good screenplay idea, by the way. It's kind of one part Andy Griffith show, one part true detective, one part X files, you know, but it had a big foot as a perpetrator. And so I wanted to research it because I really wanted to do people honor that are into that genre that people like yourself, you know. And so I started, I live really close to the Bigfoot Museum and Blue Roe. Ridge, Georgia. And I started visiting that. And I met David Bekara, who's the owner and overseer of that museum. And we started talking. And the more I started talking to him and the

more time I spent at the museum, he basically was like, man, why don't you just do a documentary about it? There's so much here. And the more I started to absorb, Bigfoot was never really on my radar personally. Like, I was never really like that fascinated with the idea. And I think because, you know, my perception of it and a lot of people's perception of it, I think it's just like, you know, a lost ape in the woods. And to be honest, that didn't really interest me that much. I was like, so what if there is? You know, I wasn't skeptical about it, but I wasn't really that interested in it, per se. It just never really hit me until I started to actually research what people were saying about this creature or entity or whatever you want to

that we call Bigfoot or Sasquatch. And once I kind of wrap my head around what was at the museum and what people were actually saying about their encounters, it seemed much more bizarre than what I had initially thought of as Bigfoot. And so the idea of doing a documentary really did intrigue me a lot. I started listening to your show, actually, and listening to a lot of the witness encounters and was really inspired. I listened also to an interview, I think you did, with Tim Renner about this.

This was years ago, a couple of years ago, anyway, three years ago maybe. And just what you guys were talking about, it just made a lot more sense to me that maybe there's something more going on than just a lost animal. And so I got really invested in it. And I thought, you know, this would be really cool. I can interview some really cool people and then use my filmmaking chops to do some really interesting reenactment scenes. And that was my, that was my 100% objective with the documentary. I'm just going to interview witnesses and let that be that and do some really cool interview

scenes. And then I, in the process, reached out to Ron Morehead because I found his story just utterly fascinating with the Sierra sounds and and he was gracious man he he invited me to do an interview we spent some time together and then we became friends and the more i got to to know ron and to like really get invested in what he and other people like him uh josh kutchin is another one um for your listeners that they may be familiar but if they're not great researcher and author um i started talking to those guys and got really into the idea of, you know, like, man, if this is as weird as they say it is, I really want to go see it for myself and get out there and do some investigations.

And so I was very graciously invited to a habitation by the Squatch Watchers, who are a Bigfoot hunting team. They have their own YouTube channel. Shout out to those guys. They invited me to a habitation. They had been investigating. And it just so worked out that Ron was able to go with us. on some of that. And so I was like, well, this is just too good to pass up. I have to go do this.

And, you know, I didn't expect anything to happen. I didn't expect there to be anything. Like I said, I already basically had a film in my mind that I was making. But then once I went out there, it became much more than I had bargained for because we did have a lot of encounters. And then I kind of, honestly, I got obsessed with it. The things that I'd seen and experience just kept driving me to investigate further and further and further. And, you know, two years later, two years later than I anticipated on releasing any material and finally starting to release some material because I've been kind of investigating it ever since. Yeah, I'm curious. When you went out with the Squatch Watchers, and they're on YouTube as well for the audience, if you want to check those

guys out. But when you went out with them, what were some of the things that you experienced? man, a lot of things, Wes. First of all, for anybody that watches their YouTube channel or hasn't watched their YouTube channel, I can vouch for those guys that when they say they're having experiences out there, they're not making that up. Like, they really are. There's really stuff going on out there. So Ron and I actually went out there.

The property owner, the guy that owned this property was really, really gracious to Ron and I. And he allowed us to stay at a cabin there for several nights. So I actually spent a good deal of time, five days off the bat on that property. And the initial investigations were, it was a lot of what your guests have described, like the smell, right? we would experience in one particular area that was my first kind of clue that there was something going on there is the property owner did a little tour with us and he was like oh see you smell that smell like we were we were on a golf cart you could actually access most of the property via a golf cart which was super convenient right like who gets to do that it was it was like

Sasquatch Disneyland, right? Like, you didn't really have to do the hardcore Survivor Man, you know, overnight camping or anything like that. I mean, we had it Cush. It was a very luxury Sasquatch encounter. We had a cabin to stay in and we could get to most of it via golf cart. So that was amazing. And so we were driving and the stench would hit you.

I mean, like a ton of bricks and then it would disappear. And I tried my best to debunk it. I tried my best. Like, and as soon as, as soon as I smelled it, I was like, man, this has to be what these guys are describing. Because I've never smelled anything like it. And I've, I've been a armchair outdoorsman my whole life. I mean, I've forage for mushrooms. Like I've, you know, got my hunting license.

I've been fishing my whole life. I did a lot of camping, Johns as a young man. You know, I mean, I'm very familiar with bears and with different animals that are in wild areas. I mean, I've spent a lot of time on wilderness, like, you know, national wilderness areas and things like that. But I've never smelled anything quite like it. It was, I would say it was kind of a cross between like a wet horse and decay, maybe a hint of sulfur, but it wasn't really a strong sulfur smell. It was more just a nasty smell. Very unclean is the, you know, you hear people talk about unclean spirits and things like that. It was the most unclean smell I've

ever smelled, you know. So that was the first indication that there was something going on there. And then Ron and I stayed there that night and we did our first little round of investigation just by ourselves. And we didn't, we weren't familiar with the property. We didn't really know where to go or what to kind of, you know, pay any attention to. So we didn't really really have a lot of activity, but we did have this owl. This owl was making a lot of racket. And so we started talking to it, right? And calling it, and it came, it literally like parked itself right behind us and started, you know, making its noise.

And I thought that was weird. And I had a thermal camera with me, but I didn't, I never saw it. Later I would see owls on my thermal camera. So I'm not saying that that was a super. supernatural event or a big foot or anything like that. It was just odd. It was just an odd thing that happened. And then, you know, Ron and I kind of packed it in for the night that night. And then the next night, the Squatch Watchers came out with us. And they took us to this area that was, they had always had kind of a bad feeling about. David Martin, one of the guys that's in the group, he,

He literally like he said that the area made him feel sick. Like he would get queasy when he was in the area. And it did have a weird vibe and it wasn't very far away from where they had placed a gifting station. And so we spent a lot of time there. And to make kind of a very long, it's a very long story, but to kind of cut to the chase on the beginning of some of that stuff is we would get a lot of rocks thrown at us. And the first night we did it, I just had a feel.

that that was going to happen. Well, first of all, the guys had said that that happens quite a bit. And I really wanted to be careful to not give in to the excitement of it and, you know, do the typical, oh, did you hear that? Well, of course, nobody heard that because you're talking, right? And so I was really trying my best not to give into that. And so, and this video is actually up on my YouTube channel. I've got the first episodes up, but then I have a lot of.

like behind the scene stuff and I have one video that just says Bigfoot throws rocks and uh we were out there um the first night I was investigating with the Squatch Watchers and I was like you know if something crazy happens even if a rock gets thrown nobody nobody say anything nobody react you know and two minutes later to the to the dot a rock lands right behind my feet like direct look so so close to me that it bounced other rocks up onto my pants. Like I felt another rock hit, hit my pants and my boots. And, you know, we also weren't running cameras at that time.

I was running audio, so you can hear that on audio. And the reason I didn't run cameras initially, and this was Ron's suggestion, was to kind of warm ourselves up to the environment, like, like, like kind of introduce ourselves slowly so that we just didn't look like a bunch of, you know, poachers. I guess you could say of information. And I like that idea.

I really was inspired by the way he recorded the Sierra Sounds because in his book, Voices in the Wilderness, he talks about how they kind of tried to play it cool when all that racket was going on. And I feel like it draw, I feel like it made them curious. And so I really wanted to embrace that. And so we didn't roll video that first night, but we did have that happen a few times throughout the night. And you can hear Ron talk about it. You can hear, you can hear us talk about it. And then it occurred to me after all that happened. Like, I'm so stupid. I have a thermal camera

with me. Like I should have looked for the rock because it should have been hot, right? And so the next night, or it might have even been later that night, Wes, I can't really remember. It starts to run together. A rock was thrown a second time. And this time it was just, it was later that night, actually is what it was. It was me and the Squatch Watchers, because it was pretty late in the night. Ron, Ron's been on these kind of adventures so many times. He's like, I'm good, guys. I'll see you in the morning, you know. And so we were out there and David was throwing some rocks to try. He was throwing them directly into that area that he found nauseating and to try to generate some activity. And it did. He's throwing some rocks and then you can hear a rock come from the opposite.

direction and it landed on the golf cart that we had drove out there. And sure enough, I turned my thermal camera on and I was able to find it. I went, again, I tried to debunk all this myself because, you know, then I'm starting to get skeptical of these guys because I didn't know them. I mean, like, I'd interviewed David, but I was like, man, I don't know about all this. These guys might have drugged me out here and are playing a trick. You know what I mean? And so I, but I had kind of anticipated needing that information. So everybody literally all of us, except myself, actually, everybody there was holding a microphone. So I went back and listened to everybody's individual audio track to see if I could hear any rustling right before that rock was thrown or anything

like that. And I couldn't. Like it was very clear that none of those three guys through that rock. And the mics are very sensitive. I mean, you can hear your shirt rustle, right? Like if someone would have thrown the rock, I would have absolutely heard the movement. But I didn't. And, you know, people that watch these videos, I know, are going to be skeptical and say, well, that's easily staged and all that kind of stuff. That's true. I could have easily faked it. We all could have been on some kind of conspiracy, but I was there. That's not what happened. And it would have been really insane for, in my mind, it would have been. It would have been nuts for somebody to be out in the woods doing that kind of stuff because they don't know me either.

And I was armed, right? Like that to me, that would have just been the and I didn't see anybody. I also, I had a thermal camera and I scanned the area. I never saw anybody. So, so that was the first kind of confirmed bit of activity. I'm sorry if I'm going through too many details here, Wes. it's kind of a long story. I don't want to drag it out too much. No, you're good, man. I'd love to know what happened. I've always thought the Squatch Watchers had real activity going on out there.

But yeah, I mean, tell us more. What else happened while you're out there? So then to cut, I guess to cut to the chase there, the next morning I was really, I started to get super curious about that. that habitation, right? Like, like there was clearly something in that area that David didn't like, but was interacting with us, right? And so I actually later that same evening, I, um, it was getting later and later. And Taylor and Tate, who were a couple of guys in the Squatchwatcher group, called it a night as well. It was just David and I there. And,

I went in, I went into that area a little bit myself, just like went in there with a camera and flashlight and stuff. And I did hear a growl. Excuse me. I did hear a growl. And, you know, these areas definitely have black bears, definitely have coyotes and things like that. In my mind, it sounded a lot like a bear at the time. And that was enough for me to say, I don't care, Bigfoot or bear, either way. that's, I don't really want to run into that tonight.

So I backed out of where I was going, you know. And then the next day, I was like, I really want to just explore that area and see what's back there. And so we go back there a little bit and, man, there were stick structures everywhere. And I know you're familiar with this, but if anybody in the audience is listening is not familiar with this, There were a lot of constructions that just seemed too unlikely to occur naturally. There was one in particular that actually really convinced me and sent me over the edge that there was something weird going on. It looked like the beginning. It looked like the skeleton of something you would throw a tarp over, if that makes sense.

It looked like it looked like a frame, right? But it was made out of a lot of different sticks and branches that didn't come from there. It didn't, they didn't come from anywhere that I could find. I couldn't find the source of where this material was coming from. I'm sure, I mean, we were in the woods. I'm sure it was not far away. But they weren't, they didn't fall there. That's what I'm trying to say.

They were, they were placed there. And they were interwoven. And I have a lot of photos of this. And I'll try to do better about posting some of this. Now that I've started to release the video, I'll do better about posting some of the stuff on my Instagram as well. But there would be vines that literally tied some of the stuff into knots. I mean, it was clearly a construction. I actually took Josh Cutchin out there at one point.

And he told me, the author of Where the Footprints in and other books, along with Tim Rinder, they co-wrote that one. But he was like, man, I've always been skeptical of stick structures. I just thought, you know, this probably dead fall or like, you know, trees being broken with snow or whatever. He was like, but I don't have an explanation for this. And I didn't either. I'd never seen anything like it. And like I say, I've been in the woods my whole life. At that time, I'd never seen anything like that.

And then as the days went by, and I'm sure I'm skipping over a lot of stuff. That's why this is a series and not a, not a movie because it's just it's a lot. As the days went by, the Squatchwisher guys kind of had to go back to work and do their things. And Ron had to leave as well. But right before Ron left, I found in that area, because it seemed like every day, I would just pill like another layer of the onion a little bit. And I went down there and I realized that that whole area was. it was way more mysterious than I had previously thought. There were stick structures everywhere, but there were also clear pathways.

There were a lot of very well-troddened areas in what I call the acre of weirdness. It was about an acre, acre and a half of ground that was just, it looked like something lived there. It looked like a habitation. And there was a deer mandible. So the way the land laid, from the little like gravel driveway that we parked the cart on, if you go into the woods, you could see a clear path going into the woods. But nobody used that path. They put trail cameras up there.

They never caught anything on a trail cam other than like odd, like light anomalies and just weird stuff. But they never caught any image of a big foot or a bear or anything else. but you could tell that there was clearly a path going through there. And so as you started to follow through some of these paths, it became apparent that something was living there and habituating that area. And the ground started to slope down towards the Henry River, or the little Henry, maybe, is what the name of that river is. Anyway, the ground sloped down towards a river.

So from the road, something pretty tall could be standing lower than you and all you would, you wouldn't see it at all, right? But it could see you pretty clearly. And there were a lot of like makeshift blinds so that something literally could be standing in that lower level and never, and you would never see it from the road. But they were clearly constructed to do that. And from the road, it looked like a very thick, almost like impenetrable jungle of mountain laurel and trees. But when you start to follow through the pathways there, you realize, wow, this is actually really, it's open. There's a lot of open spaces, but the landscape was arranged in such a way that from the road, it didn't look like it was. It was very interesting.

And then at the bottom of one of these little pathways, and by the way, there were stick structures all through this, X's and bent, bent trees, pine trees that seemed to be pointing a particular direction. And I went down, I kind of followed the signs, if you will. I kind of followed all the little stick signs and big stick signs, for that matter, down into this area. And there were there were these deer mandibles that had been removed from the head of a deer. and something had been defecating on them. It was the eeriest, weirdest scene I've ever seen because there was no body of a deer, there was no head of a deer.

It was literally both jawbones, which is odd, because a deer, the jaw bones of a deer are not connected at the front of its mouth. So you would expect a scavenger to pull one off and have one somewhere and one somewhere else. These were both of the jaw bones laid in what looked like a little room in this kind of forest area. Just literally it looked like a room, probably about 12 by 12. And right dead center of it were these deer mandibles that something had been using as a bathroom,

something had been defecating on top of the deer mandibles. It was the eeriest thing I'd ever seen. And it was so funny, Ron may get mad at me if you're saying this, but Ron was up in in the golf cart at the time while I was shooting all this and investigating this. I was like, Ron, man, there's deer mandibles over here that something's been, well, I didn't say crapping, but crapping on. He just shouted, and I swear I'd already had this thought. I was already getting ready to do it. He just shouted from the golf cart, piss on it. I was like, yeah, I already was,

man. I don't know why, you know, that's just, you know, that's, you know, that's, that's, That's where me and Rod are Sympatica. We're both a little nuts, I guess. But I just wanted to see what would happen. You know, I just wanted to see if anything would happen if I kicked the Hornets Nest, if you will. And so anyway, there were a lot more really truly bizarre, like hunting blinds, clearly, and I have all this on film. And this, it makes for much better viewing than it does talking. And you'll see this all in later episodes.

Some of this stuff is just incredible the way these things. things were arranged. And so that night Ron left and I was there by myself for the last night or two of that adventure. And so I did I did some and I'm I know I'm glossing over a lot of weird stuff that went on, but I'm trying to make it as succinct as I can. So that night I I noticed, and I know right away some of your, some of your viewers are going to be like, here this goes again, but I noticed this orb of light, this green, this bright green orb of light that was about, it was about the size of a golf ball. And I know people say, well, that's probably just like a green firefly. It was not a firefly. It was, first of all, it was much bigger than

a firefly. And second of all, it was very cold. I saw these on several different occasions. One occasion, it was like 30 degrees outside. Late October, it was the coldest night of the year so far when I saw this. It wasn't a bug. But I noticed it in the distance as I was packing my gear up one night. I was like, man, that is really weird. And I'm sorry to say I don't have any good depiction of this on film.

I tried. And I did, to me, I can see where it is on some of the film, but it's so pixelated because it was so dark. It's just not worth showing. And I hate to, I hate to say that because people can say, man, you're full of it, but that's the case. But it felt very, first of all, it's beautiful. The orb was very, very beautiful. It looked like the, it looked like a lightsaber, but like a ball, right? Like it looked like a green lightsaber, but just like a ball. And I noticed it in front of me, me at the cabin and then I noticed it to the side of me in the woods, but it was off in the distance.

And it was very seductive almost. Like it made it made me excited, you know, at which, you know, like Josh Cutchin's work and those guys that look into folklore, anybody that like associates this kind of phenomenon and does research in folklore with the with the fairy lights and all this kind of stuff. You know, you're not supposed to follow them, right? Like don't follow the lights. Don't do it. And I knew that.

Luckily, I knew that. So I didn't. But man, I wanted to, but I just knew that I was like, man, if I follow this thing, it's always going to be 40 feet ahead of me.

Like, no doubt. You know, so I didn't. But I did find it interesting that it did that. And I really felt like, It was almost like a change of tactic. That's what it felt like to me.

I felt like there was some kind of communication going on. Like I had literally gone into its den and marked it as my turf, right? Like I'd done that the night before. And now all of a sudden I'm seeing these little like enchanting lights. And I think that I think, this is the way I interpreted. I think they got curious as to what I was up to. I think they were like, what is this dude on? What is this deal?

What's happening? You know, why are you bold, I guess, one, and who are you? You know, and so I did some more, you know, your traditional kind of stuff, knocking on trees. And I did want to mention going back to the gifting area, there were two different gifting areas that the Squatch Watchers had been utilizing over the years there. And I had noticed that one gifting area, the rocks that I had moved around had been manipulated. They like from day to day, they would they would manipulate the rocks. I just want to kind of throw that in in there because I forgot to mention that.

And it'll be important later. But I kind of go up on this area that's like a hill that's kind of far away from. This was my last night there and it was very cold, very, very cold. And there was this kind of overlook area that was, I don't know, probably a good, three, four hundred yards away from the really creepy area, the really kind of scary, jungly kind of area that I'd been in earlier. And I was being a wuss. I'll be honest.

I went up there because you could see everything clearly, right? Like there was no real good point of ambush and it was cold. So when I would turn the golf cart off, it would take forever to warm it back up to get it going again. So that made me a little nervous. So I was like, eh, I don't really want to. to park it here because not only was was the area kind of just creepy but there was a lot of mountain laurel and if and if people aren't familiar it's a very like viny almost you can almost

make shrubs out of it it's really it covers an area and it was on both sides of the road in that in that location so if you parked there you couldn't see anything even with a thermal camera it was really difficult to see anything because thermal only reads heat and a leaf will block heat, right? So it was really difficult to see anything in that what I perceived to be probably the most dangerous area of the property. Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but that's, that was my perception at the time. And so I was up on the hill doing some tree knocks and all this kind of stuff and I saw that little light again. And I saw it twice.

Same deal. I saw it in front of me. But then this next time when I saw it to my right, it was close, man. It was like 10 feet away. I got a good look at it. And it was like, man, it was seductive. I mean, that's the only way I know how to describe the feeling that it gave me. It was just like this like, oh my God.

It was calming and scary at the same time. you know and and I saw it and then it just kind of streaked out of existence and if your guests have ever read any of Scott Carpenter's books he has photos of this in the Nephilim Among Us books where you see this like streaks of light on film that's exactly what it did it just streaked out of existence it was the it was the weirdest and I could see the streak of light like it was that kind of dramatic it was it was It was wild. It was wild. And so then I was like, I stayed up there for a while.

And like I said, I'm actually glossing over a lot of stuff. There were so much weird activity that week and that weekend that I'd almost already within five days, started to become a little desensitized to it. And I was like, all right, well, I'm going to go down. You know, I've got to, I owe it to myself to go down into that area one more time. time, right? And so I drive down there, but I'm afraid to turn the golf cart off because it had taken me like five minutes to get it cranked after I had turned it off because it was that cold outside. It was an older golf cart and the engine got cold and it just took forever to get it warm back up. So I was like, you know, my survival mechanisms kicked in a little stronger than my curiosity. And I was by myself. So I drove it. into that area and you'll see this eventually in the documentary. I'm kind of talking to myself and I'm like, oh, man, you know, sorry I pissed in your house today, you know, kind of a thing. And I see a thermal

signature, a bright thermal signature out there. And I had seen some previously. I had seen some previously, but before this, I had chalked it off to an animal. I, I, I, I, I had seen some previously. I, I, I, I, I thought maybe a bear, maybe even a mountain lion or something. But looking back on it now, knowing the way that the land lays, I think what we had seen the night before was probably the top of something's head. But this time, there was a clear thermal signature standing next to a tree. It was a super bright signature, but I couldn't make out a specific shape because it looked like it was partially hidden by a tree. And my guess is probably also partially hidden by the embankment because I could see probably four feet of something. But it was super bright.

It was clearly, I mean, it was as bright as you or I would be out there. Like it was that bright of a signature, probably brighter because it didn't have any clothes on, right? I mean, it was as bright as any animal that I'd ever seen with a thermal. And so I watched it for a while. And I found it unnerving. And in spite of all the crazy stuff I had seen. seen, Wes, I had also seen on my thermal camera what I thought was a bear at one point while I was out there. And so I thought, well, in spite of all this weirdness, maybe it's a bear.

That alone at night is enough to unnerve anybody, right? So, but I'm watching it. I'm trying to take precautions. And then I see two more heat signatures kind of appear in that mountain Laurel. And so I'm basically flanked. I've got one in front, they're both in front of me, but one to my left and two to my right. Can I ask you real quick, because I've used these thermals, and when you were seeing these two figures, were they like blobs, like blob squashes through the camera? Yeah, yeah, they were. I'm not going to make any kind of wild claim that I have like photographic proof of Bigfoot or anything like that. I don't. I don't. I wish I did, but I don't. But no, they were because they were hidden by laurel like like they were they were that's why i'm saying it's so

hard to see in that stuff even with the thermal camera all you could really see was the radiant heat of what was behind there and then but this other one was very very bright but it was clearly being partially hidden by a tree so it would be like if you or i were like sticking like half of our body out from behind a tree you would just see that piece right but it never moved like never moved like never And when I saw those two other light signatures appear, I tried to find it with, I had a super powerful spotlight. I tried to find what I was looking at with that, but I couldn't. And I sat there as long as I felt comfortable with.

And to be honest, I chickened out and I bailed. I was like, man, I'm out of here. You know, and so I went in for the night. But the weirdest part to me about that whole story that I just told you is the part about seeing those things as a thermal image and being scared. You can hear in the video that my voice, I'm scared. I forgot that happened. I totally forgot it happened until I reviewed the video. Totally forgot it ever happened.

I don't have any explanation for that because that seems like something you would remember the next day. But I didn't. And things like that happened a lot out there. Another thing I noticed was in those areas that would have all these sticks kind of manipulated together, I would notice sticks that seemed to be glued to trees. And I mean that literally, like literally like somebody had glued a stick to a tree. And sticks will do that. Like vines will cut into trees and sap will bleed over and all that kind of.

of stuff but that's not what I'm saying I'm saying just a stick by itself stuck to a tree and I saw that a lot I collected one of them actually with Josh um later he came out there with me and I showed it to it I was like I described exactly what I'm describing to you he's like what are you talking about sticks glued to trees I was like I'll show you and he was like holy shit sticks glued to trees I was like yeah exactly what I said you know and I would find that a lot um that was at one of one of the gifting spots areas uh as well there were three they were glued to to a tree but one in particular i saw above an x structure there was just a big like x structure made out of two um branches of a pine tree

and i saw the stick glue this the first time i noticed it i saw it glued there and this was in that like i said the acre of weirdness that everybody got bad vibes about and i know i know why they got bad vibes i did too it was creepy you know and so i i literally this was after that other other incident with seeing the stuff on the thermal. I swear this is true. I pulled that stick off and I thought to myself, I'm going to keep this. And then I instantly threw it down and forgot about it. I didn't remember it until later.

I was looking for it because I was like, did I put it in my bag? Where did I put that? I just threw it down. And I don't have an explanation for that. I'm not saying that it was mind speak. I'm not saying I was like whatever, but it did seem like there was some frequency jamming going on. It really did. And speaking to that, every time something really weird happened for me, and I actually asked Ron about this later,

every time something really weird was about to happen, I would know it was going to happen before it happened. And I would almost get high. like this this feeling would kind of come over me like I've taken mushrooms before I'll just I'll just say that I'll just say that not to discredit my testimony but I have in my youth I've I've tripped before and the feeling you get right before you're about to start hallucinating like like it almost makes you feel like you're like lifting up like you're literally getting high or whatever I would feel that almost every time before something weird would happen. And it would put me in a state where I would, you know, I would still experience self-preservation, but I would never be really terrified. And, and I, I really think it's because there was something, I don't know if it was chemical or what it was that was going on, but it kind of put you in a more of a subdued state. Now, this to me is a bit unnerving for many reasons. But for the sake of time, I do want to kind of fast forward and just say this area.

So with the gifting spots, I noticed that some of the rocks that these things had left out, I believed, I took some home and I started to look at it. And I started to believe that they had been carved, that they had been manipulated. I don't think that, quote unquote, Bigfoot carved them. I think they're much older than that. But they did appear to be carved. And then I found this stump, this tree stump with rocks in it as well. And I took all those home.

And they all had appeared to be fashioned. One of them was an etching tool. Like it's literally a little hand tool. One of them looked like it had been maybe carved and discarded or carved, and damaged at one time because you can still see an eye on it. And this is, people are going to definitely disagree with me because honestly, the pictures don't really do it justice. But if you see it in person, it's undeniable that some of these things had been manipulated. And at first, I wasn't quite sure. But then I went out again in November and Taylor Cook and I actually right below an area

where the squatch watch or right around an area where the squatch watchers had cast a print they'd cast a big foot print there before um they had this uh tree that was a gifting spot they had gifted this thing popcorn and uh Pepsi in that area and and the thing had drank the Pepsi eating the popcorn and all this kind of stuff this was months before I went out there and it had left a stone in this tree or in this wedge of a tree and I took that one home and that tree by the way had three sticks that appeared to be glued on it as well. I took that stone home and that's when I really started to think maybe some of these things had been carved and so we went back to that same area and I told Taylor I was like man I think this stuff has been carved. I think it's been worked in some kind of way.

At the time I thought they were tools, all of them. I thought they were all like tools, axe heads, club, something. But they didn't seem normal. And I showed him to a friend of mine who's an expert in like Native American weaponry and technologies and things like that. And he was like, yeah, no, this appears to be like a hand tool or something. And so I told Taylor, if you see any unusual rocks, like, let me know, because I think there might be other things here. And sure enough, Wes, we found this thing. And I know this is going to be the most controversial part of the whole documentary. I found this stone that I swear to you, well, not that it matters. I don't care.

I don't care if anybody believes me or not. But on one half of it, I believe it represents a bird. And on the other half of the stone, I believe it represents a dragon. There is a little arm underneath the dragon side of it. And it helps to support the statue. But it stands up, I mean, like you can set it on a table flat and it stands up perfectly by itself. It has, you can see the dual hemispheres. It almost looks like it's been molded together. It doesn't even look like it's been carved. It looks like it's been molded out of, like, I don't know

if you're familiar with the rocks, the stones that make up some of those pyramids in Peru, where they literally appear like they molded these stones together. They look like squished marshmallows together, right? Are you talking about the ones you can't even put a piece of paper in between? Exactly. Exactly. And a lot of people, throwing around this term geopolymer, like there's some some kind of technology that maybe they had to make the stones flexible, right? Or to make like some kind of like natural concrete. This statue is made out of whatever that is. I'm certain of it. And there's one particular area where you can still see literally what seems to be like a cement on it. It's the craziest thing

I've ever seen. But I've tried to show it to archaeologists and they're super skeptical of it because it doesn't look like what fits their paradigm. That being said, I have found also like hand tools, hand axes. Man, I could go down the rock rabbit hole with you forever, but I'll just put that pen in it because I think personally that that's the most significant thing that I found of that trip. And I think that's probably what's going to take the longest to prove because nobody wants to look at it. They just don't want to look at it. Like when you hear guys like Graham Hancock talk about people being close-minded in that community, he's not wrong. That really is true.

And bear in mind, I never told anybody I found this stuff looking for Bigfoot either. I just tried to show it to people. And they were like, no, dude, you're seeing stuff. You're seeing things where they're not. Those are just rocks. They're not. But that's my opinion. in the documentary, I know you talked to a lot of eyewitnesses and they kind of give their experiences,

but this other stuff that you found, is all that going to be seen in this web series that you're doing? Yeah. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I've already got a couple of like behind the scenes videos up about the rocks. Like there's one, I think it's called something about new evidence. But then there's another one. There's two. There's one where I go over how we found all.

all the rocks in general and kind of what I think was going on there. And then there's one that just breaks down that particular artifact that I'm talking about. And I get it. The pictures don't really do it justice. It's very weathered. It's very crude. But there are so many things that point to the fact that it is representational that I just, I don't believe that I'm wrong.

I just don't. You know, you can say that I'm wrong. People can say that I don't care. And if that's the big takeaway of the film is that I was wrong about some rocks, so be it, it is what it is. You know, but I really think it's important. And I think it's specifically important because if that is true, all right, now this is just me being a mythology nerd, if it is true that I found something that appears to be half bird and half reptile or dragon in North America. where by the way, this land that we were investigating has a lot of what appear to be mounds, like rock mounds on it.

You know, people speculate burial sites, and maybe they are. Maybe they are. But there were a lot of Native Americans that lived there, you know, for a long time. So when I look at it, mythologically speaking, the bird and the dragon motif, I mean, it really starts to sound a lot like Ketsukadl or Kukukon, whatever you want to call that deity, it seems to represent that. And it wouldn't be far out of reach from those mythologies, because in the Mesoamerican cultures, they said that giants were the ones that were the originators of their pyramid building schemes, right? Those were the first guys to do that down there.

It were giants from the north. Well, in North American native mythology, they said that the mound builders, the guys that constructed these great earthworks were giants. And a lot of them were man-eaters. And most of these native cultures say that they killed them off. And so maybe they didn't kill them all off. Maybe some of them moved south and established those areas as well. And I know that sound, it's far-fetched enough to say you believe in Bigfoot. It's even worse when you say that maybe Bigfoot's a fairy that can turn into an orb of light. And now I'm saying that I think I've made a giant archaeological discovery while doing all this. But that's my story and I'm sticking to it, Wes. Yeah, and I hope that people go and check out your work. Again, it's on YouTube.

It's the I believe in Bigfoot Project. And, you know, the Squatch Watchers, I've had them on the show. I like them. I think they're good guys. And I do think that they have absolutely Sasquatch activity going on on this property. But I also think that there's a lot of paranormal stuff going on that property that they're working. I wanted to ask you, when you were getting rocks thrown at you, you have the thermal, you get up. Were you able to capture what was throwing the rocks? No.

And in fact, Wes, I don't think they were thrown. I think they were, I think the words, apparition, not apparition, apportation, where something just apportation. I think. Yeah. Basically, it came out of nowhere. Literally. It appeared to come out of nowhere. They seemed to fall out of the sky is what it seemed like to me. And I know that sounds insane. I get it. I get it. But I believe in telling the truth, no matter how weird it sounds. And that's part of the reason I started this project to begin with is I actually do believe the people that come on your show. I actually do believe the people that I interviewed. And I think that, you know, it takes a lot of guts to go out on a limb and say that you believe something that people are going to thank you nuts for believing. But if it happened to you, it's not really a belief.

You're just stating, hey, this really, this happened. Take it, take it for what it's worth, you know. And so there's a video, that video I said, Bigfoot throws rocks. There is, as I started to investigate it further and further, I started to get better at investigating it. And so I went back in December. most of those first encounters I was telling you about we're in October. Actually, this is a pretty good segue into something even darker, to be honest. So I went out with a friend of mine.

I'd been telling about this whole adventure that I worked with. I was like, and he wasn't skeptical or anything, but he's actually, you know, he has a science degree. He's a very, very bright young guy and very analytical. And I was like, you know, buddy's name's Nico. I was like, Nico, I want you to come out there with me and just see it for yourself. And he's a pretty fit guy. So I knew he could, I didn't have to really look out for him. Right.

And so we went back through there and I showed him a bunch of stuff. He got to smell the smell and the whole thing. And we were walking one day and I had a 360 camera at this time. So I'm carrying a camera that literally can shoot 360 degrees around me. And broad daylight, Wes, in a field, not in the wood. in a field, an open field, a rock lands on my leg, hits my leg, and bounces off and bounces on the ground. And I have this, I have this on film. It's hard to see, but you can see it.

And I did my best in that video to show what I'm talking about. And it may take you a few go-throughs to see the rock bounce, but God is my witness. That really happened. And I have no explanation for it. the only explanation would be that I hoaxed it and hand to God I did not hoax it. So I don't know what to make of that other than it was supernatural. Or as Ron would say, something in a quantum realm or another dimension. But it was definitely something messing with us.

And it wasn't even a bird. There were no birds fly because I thought, well, maybe a crow through a rock at me or something. But there weren't even any birds around at the time. time. So I, you know. Yeah, the reason why I was curious about the rock thing, I've experienced that twice. And both times I had a thermal and a rock is thrown and I'm scanning with the thermal. You know, you can see into the night. And, you know, there was nothing there. And I remember being so frustrated that I couldn't capture what was thrown on the rock. I'm surprised that the Squatch watchers are actually doing that whole gifting thing. I warned them.

against that. I mean, it's their grown men. They can do whatever they want. But I'm a little surprised that they're doing that. Let's get into that, Wes. So the gifting thing, okay? I, when I found that rock that, like I said, I thought was based on my wild theories, I think probably a depiction of Kets Aquato.

Right. I started to really look at the gifting spot. And I'm like, man, this is an altar. Like, this is, this is an. altar. I mean, what else could you call it? You're leaving out, you're leaving out gifts for, for something. And if it's not just an animal that's messing with you, if it's not an animal, if you're not just leaving out food for an animal or whatever, I mean, it looks and functions a hell of a lot like an altar. And so the night that I told you that the 360 camera thing

happened that night. And I wish this was a better story, but I hope your audience can appreciate that it's not fake, so there are parts of it that sounds stupid. But my friend Nico and I had a couple of beers that night, because in spite of the rock being thrown and all that, like I said, I was so desensitized to even more dramatic displays that I almost felt like we weren't really getting anything. I was like, man, I'm sorry, Nika, drug you up here, and I hope it's not boring.

He's like, no, he's great, whatever. So I was like, you know, and I had already been, made my mind up that I was going to tear the gifting spot down. I told the Squatchwatchers, I told the property owner, I was like, I think it's a bad idea. I'm going to tear it down. And they were all cool with it. They understood where I was coming from because I was like, if I'm right, if this is an ancient idol and there's some really dark spirits out here, you don't want to have an offering place to it. Like, I don't think so. I'm a, in spite of my wild, wicked ways, I guess. I do consider myself to be a Christian. I believe in God, you know. And I was like,

I think it's a bad mojo. And so, so Nico and I, that night after that rock incident, it was funny because we hadn't smelled the smell at all yet. And we were just kind of kicking around the property. Didn't even have cameras on, Wes. I don't know. There were certain parts about this whole journey where I was just like, I don't feel like filming this. I think we should just be here in the moment. And I know a lot of that came from listening to what Ron had to say because he was like, you know, you don't want to just constantly be trying to exploit the situation or you're probably not going to get much out of it. You know, they're probably just not going to play with you. And so we were just kind of hanging out, just kind of goofing off. We had a night off work too, right?

Like that's, that was part of our reality in life at the time as well. So we had a couple of beers and we're just kicking around. And, and I literally said, yeah, I don't think there's much going to go on tonight. I almost feel like I've scared him away, you know? And like a minute after I said that, the smell hit us like a ton of bricks. Nico, Nico stops in his tracks, man. He's like, because we were walking. He stops in his tracks. And I looked at him. I said, that's what I'm talking about. That's, that's it. And then he starts trying to find the smell. I was like, man, you're not going to find it. It's gone. Like, it hit us and it was gone. I was like, you're not going to find it. There is no source. Like, I've given up. You know, I don't know what to say about that. And,

And just so your audience knows, I'm not just not skeptical. I really did try to investigate where these smells were coming from. I really did try to investigate where these rocks were coming from. I reached no reasonable conclusion. And so I told Nico, I was like, man, I'm going to, when we get back up here, I'm going to tear that gifting spot down. And we did. And when I tore it down West, and I so regret not running audio on this, I so regret it.

we heard the sound of something that sounded like the cross between a dog and an owl. Like if you can imagine those two sounds combined, howling. It was like, oh, and it was like sad. It was like this sad cry when we tore this, what I'm going to call an altar down. And Nico goes, oh, man, like it made him sad. Like it sounded sad, you know. And I was like, man, Nico, don't play into that. That's like a, that's like a narcissistic person.

Like, you can't, you can't give into that, man. It's a trap. It's a trap. You know, and that was where my mindset was at the time, you know. And I don't know some people are like, oh, you're being so mean to the Sasquatch. Whatever, man. I'm sorry. And, you know, take it up with me in the comments.

But, but, uh, so we tore it down. They did this weird cry that I swear, man, I've never heard anything like it. And then the next morning, Niko, gets up early because the cabin we were staying in that night didn't have running water. So he got up that morning to go use the bathroom. And when he gets up to go use the bathroom, he goes towards the river because again, like I said, the way the property, all the property lays, there's kind of like a, you can kind of hide if you go down in that little area. So he goes down by the river to relieve himself so that, you know, if the property owner's kicking around or whoever, nobody's going to see him.

When he does, there are these two dogs, a little brown dog and a kind of a mutt, almost looked like a mutt-Rottweiler mix with something, but it had one blue eye and one brown eye, and I do think that's significant. It led him to a kill. These things had killed a deer. They had snapped its neck, and then a buzzard had tried to eat the deer. And this is, I'm sorry you mentioned, the last part of the episode because it takes a dramatic turn. It goes from being interviews to getting into this. But it broke the deer's neck. A buzzard tried to eat the deer and the buzzard died. And so there was a dead deer right next to a dead buzzard, like they were touching right next to each other. And the buzzard also had debris kicked up over it. So I don't know if

I don't know if eating the deer poisoned the buzzard or if whatever killed the deer just killed the buzzard. I don't know. But that was our scene that we woke up to that morning at like 8 o'clock in the morning. And these dogs who nobody knew who those dogs were. They weren't the property owners. They weren't like, we don't know. We still to this day have no idea who those dogs were. The Squatch Watchers had never seen them before.

Nobody had ever seen them before. led him to that, led Nico to that kill. And then above that kill, I noticed there was a little teepee, a little pyramid teepee built that was probably maybe a foot and a half, two foot off the ground. But then on top of that teepee was a large branch or stick that was literally pointing directly to the kill. So if the dogs wouldn't have shown them to us, I think they left that marker out there to be like, check out what I did last night. you know and so that kind of made me mad and so then I tore down every stick structure that I could find in that property um yeah I'll go back and and watch it I think I only missed like the last 15 minutes I was um had an interview coming up so I'd kind of pause it but it's on my watch list

and I'm surprised you know a lot you picked up on this really quick took me forever to kind of pick up on it. But, you know, when when people leave or have like a gifting area where they'll leave food or whatever, they think they're either feeding a wild animal or they're exchanging gifts with these creatures. And what I find over the years, and I've given examples in the past of this, the moment you stop, these things lose their mind. And I remember thinking like, this doesn't feel like you're feeding a wild animal. This feels like a, like a, like a tribute or something like that. Yep, exactly.

And now, and I have actually in the first episode of the documentary, as well as a behind the scenes, I have a full interview with some folks. I really do feel like God has kind of had his hand on this project the whole time because things would just come my way that I wasn't expecting. I mean, I never expected in a million years, Ron Moorhead and I would hit it off and go Bigfoot hunting together. You know, like there's a lot of weird things that just happen. Ron's a cool cat. He's easy to get along with.

Oh, man, he's great. He's fantastic. My wife actually was getting her car serviced at this service station in our hometown. And she struck up a conversation with the folks that owned it and told him I was making this Bigfoot documentary. And they told her their stories. And their stories are amazing. And so I filmed their stories. And they're in my documentary.

That first episode, they're in it as well. And the owner of the shop, his wife had five of her dogs killed, broke its neck. I showed her the pictures of the deer that I had. And she was like, yeah, it looked just like that. but she said that they all had a puncture wound in their neck and they were drained of their blood. Now, I didn't roll that deer over to see if it had a puncture wound, but there was no blood on the scene whatsoever. I just assumed at the time that it was, that his neck broke and that, you know, the blood coagulated, but it could be, I don't know, I can't verify, but it could be that it drank its blood.

because what she described was exactly the same scene that I saw. The animals appeared to be like placed down almost nicely. They even say that. They were like, yeah, just like placed them down nicely. Didn't hurt them, didn't, you know, whatever. It just killed them, got what it needed, broke their neck, drank the blood, and set them down. And that is the scene that I had captured. The deer was eaten on a little bit, but I think the buzzard did that because the deer's eyes were gone, which buzzards go to first.

and also, like, out of its rectum, had been worked on, eaten on, which is those, that's how a buzzard begins to feed. So I think the buzzard did probably the damage that was done to the deer. I don't think that it was whatever killed it, other than the neck being broken, and the neck is broken. But yeah, that and here's another one that I know you've heard a lot of, the bodies were not scavenged. I went back months later and the deer had been moved underneath like a little shelter that this thing I suppose had made. Like the body of the deer had been pulled under a shelter and just decomposed where it lay. All that was left was bones and hair, but it was like the flesh just, you know, over three months, I'm sure the ants or whatever it was or maybe just natural decomposition. And then that deer as well had its jaw bone removed.

And then the only bone that was mangled was that the jaw was pulled off of it. And in this case, it was laying right next to the body. But the jaw, it was like something just opened up the mouth of the deer for, I guess for fun. I mean, I can't think of any other reason because it wasn't a scavenging animal because none of the other bones were messed with. And then, so this was in March of 2023. Most of everything I told you happened in 2022. This was in 2023. I went back.

The buzzard was where I found it to begin with. It never moved. And it decomposed right where it lay. That same trip, I went back to see if I could find those deer mandibles again and all that kind of stuff. And because I had torn down all those gifting areas, I wanted to see if it had put anything back up. But it didn't. it appeared that there was no more activity over there. It appeared that there was.

I'm not saying there isn't. I'm saying that's what it appeared to be other than the fact that that body had been moved. But likely that body was moved probably right after we left because of the way, because you could tell that it had decomposed where it was when I saw it three months later because all the hair was around it. Then I went back to that area that. had the jaw mandibles originally. And I did find the original that other deer's head. It was a buck. It had antlers. Nothing even scavenged at antlers. And you know, squirrels will, right? Squirrels will eat

deer antlers. If a deer loses its antlers in the woods, they don't last long because they're an easy source of calcium. But yeah, even the antlers aren't scavened. and I did find the body as well. It was only, man, it was only like probably 50 feet away from where the deer mandibles were, but it was stuffed in a kind of an area, like I said, of Mount Laurel, so I didn't see it at the time that I was there. But it also decomposed where it lay and clearly by the structure of the skeleton, nothing scavenged it.

And I'll include some of the pictures that you sent me. And, you know, as far as what we're talking about now with the deer and the rock and that weird rock that you found. But you can also go and watch it on the, I believe in Bigfoot project in the links. I'll put them below. I know the first episode's up. What do you have planned for the second episode? So part two will actually focus more on Ron, actually.

So the way this whole, like I said, the way this whole process went about, I shot a lot of interviews. And literally over two years ago, I thought that was going to. going to be the end of the show. Like I shot all these interviews. I thought I was basically done with the film. And then I started finding all this weird stuff on my own. So then I began, I didn't know what to do with it because I was like, oh, well, now I guess this is like an investigative thing. And to be honest, like I said, I got obsessed. So this next episode will focus on the interview that I did with Ron and his experiences. And then it'll tease a little bit more of the fact that

he and I went out together. And as the show develops, it'll become more and more about, those adventures and still kind of pepper in some of those interviews that I did, especially like with Josh Cutch and Ron and David Bekara and other guys to kind of round out the theme of what it is that we're looking at here. But it was for lack of a better term, and I know Ron hates to put it in woo-woo terms, but I don't care. It was either, you know, as he would say, another dimension, you know, I would say supernatural, whatever you want to, whatever you want to call it, it was not natural. That being said, it definitely interact. What I experienced out there definitely interacted with the natural world.

It definitely built structures. It appeared to defecate. I mean, unless something else pooped on those jaws, whatever killed that deer was pooping there. And it killed animals while I was out there. So, but then you look at it and you're like, well, why didn't anything scavenge them? I got paranoid. I got a Geiger counter. I was like, are these things radioactive? Like what's going on?

You know? I don't have much more of an explanation other than the explanation that's been gifted through traditions, right? I mean, I think that and I know a lot of people, Scott Carpenter and others have talked about the Nephilim connections. I do think there's something to that. I do think that the idea that, you know, like, In the book of Enoch, it talks about the giants being forced to wonder.

For those that don't know, the book of Enoch is an apocryphal book of the Bible that was left out of most most Bibles, but is still in the Ethiopian text and was discovered also in the Dead Sea Scrolls. So we know it's very old. I'm not saying that Enoch wrote it or anything, but the tradition is that the giants, when they died, their spirits roamed the earth. and they were always hungry but never satisfied and all this kind of stuff because they're part eternal and part mortal, right? So their spirits have to roam the earth.

That sounds a lot like what I experienced out there. I mean, it left certainly left giant footprints and did wild stuff. And I found what appeared to be old idols. I mean, like it seemed to click a lot of those boxes. I'm not saying definitively that that's what that is, but it did seem to click a lot of those boxes. I don't know, man. And check out Kelly Luckman's work, the I Believe in Bigfoot project on YouTube. It's also available on Rumble under I Believe in Bigfoot project. I would like to have you back, Kelly, in the future, and follow up along with you on this journey. I really

appreciate you taking the time to come on and share your experiences and the evidence. And I hope people go and subscribe and really check out your work. Thank you so much for coming on. Oh, thank you so much for having me, man. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. If you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.