Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:107 Terrorized By Aggressive Giants

Episode Date: May 24, 2015

Le Flore County is located along the eastern border of the U.S. state of Oklahoma. The name honors a Choctaw family named LeFlore. Reports dating from the 1850´s say that Southeast Oklahoma has been a hunting ground for Bigfoot. According to stories, the area was terrorized by aggressive giants who not only stole locals vegetables to eat, but also stole their children. The Choctaw Indians were known as exceedingly strong, fierce warriors, but in 1855 they experienced something which none would ever forget. I also speak with Cato who is a member of the Nez Perce Tribe. He shares with us some stories from his family and other members of the tribe. If you have had an encounter, email me at [e-mail]

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. It would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and no one of that damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

The look it was given me. What are you're putting? See them. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Sasquatch Chronicle.

A place where people share their encounters. Let's start the show. Oklahoma, 1855. The Choctaw Nation didn't settle this territory voluntarily. They were forced here by the United States government. Soon after settling the territory, members of the tribe would run into man-like beasts. The Choctaws were well aware of what these things were. Reports started coming in of food being stolen.

Vegetables, fish, constantly being taken from the tribe. Tribal members started coming forward, saying they not only saw the creatures take the food, but they saw the creatures fight over the food. The chakas were known for being strong, fierce warriors, but in 1855, they would explain. experienced something that they would never forget.

The natives started to notice that as food became more scarce, people started coming up missing. 19 women and children had come up missing that year. The Choctaws decided to put an end to it. A troop of 30 of Chaktau's best warriors were put together, including a gentleman by the name Joshua Lafour. Lafour was a mixed blood. He was part French, part chocolate. He was deeply respected by the men. LaFleur was a captain, and he led his men to the creatures. After riding for eight hours straight, it was now 4.30 in the afternoon. As the men approached a hilltop, LaFleur commanded all of his men to stop. He pulled out his spyglass, looked down the hill and saw the

creatures about 500 yards away. He then commanded a full charge. All hell was about to break loose. With an overwhelming stench of death in the air, Captain LaFleur looked back to see most of his men being thrown from their horses as a horse has reared up in fear of the creatures. Captain LaFleur, along with eight of his best men, kept riding forward. Their horses never flinched, never wavered. were totally unprepared for the greeting they were about to receive. As the captain rode in, he noticed off to his right there was a large mound of dead women and children in various stages of decay. In rage, the captain pulled his pistol and emptied it into one of the creatures.

The creature never flinched. With once white, the creature broke the neck of the captain's horse, throwing him from the horse. Lafour got up, pulled out his saber, and began stabbing the creature. Covered in blood, the creature grabbed Captain Lafour's neck and ripped his head off. The Choctaw Warriors used their large-caliber rifles and started shooting the creatures in the head. When the dust settled, all of the creatures were dead. The warrior's beloved captain also lied dead. He was respectfully buried, a lot of along with the 19 women and children. As the men rode back, it was hard replaying the day's events.

Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. I hope you enjoyed that story about Joshua Lillefort. There's a county actually in Oklahoma named L'Afor County after the captain and his family out of respect. Very fascinating history out there in Oklahoma. If you get a chance, check it out. I posted the whole story to the blog. If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can check out, read the full story of that account.

Very, very fascinating. Happy Memorial Day weekend, everyone out there. One announcement I wanted to make, I'm going to be in Texas on the 15th of June, and most of my time is going to be wrapped up with shooting this television project. One of the things I wanted to ask for a favor from the audience, If you've been on the show before, if you could email me the episode along with the contact information, if you're interested in being on television recounting your story. Tracy. So if I make reference to Tracy, he called in, had a fascinating story, and I would love to have him be a part of that.

I realize not everyone wants to be on TV. I definitely don't want to be. So, I mean, if I feel that way, I definitely understand someone else feeling that way, too. But it's going to be a cool project. Like I said before, I wanted to kind of change how the media views this topic. And not only me change it, but, I mean, people have had encounters come forward and kind of change the way this is looked at through the media. So if you've been on the show in the past and you'd like to be on film,

shoot me an email, let me know what episode you were on, and then if you could send me your updated contact information, I've been going through some of my old files, and some of the numbers are either disconnected or not working. So if you would just go ahead and send me your updated contact information, that would be great. Why all of a sudden do I feel like the guy from office space? Hello, Peter.

What's happening? Uh, we have sort of a problem here. Yeah, you apparently didn't put one of the new cover sheets on your TPS reports. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. I forgot. Hmm, yeah. You see, we're putting the cover sheets on all TPS reports now before they go out.

Did you see the memo about this? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I have the memo right here. I just, uh, forgot. But it's not shipping out till tomorrow, so there's no problem. Yeah. If you could just go ahead and make sure you do that from now on, that would be great. And I'll go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo.

Okay? Yeah, no, I have the memo. I've got it. It's right. Best movie ever. And if you don't think that's funny, may God have mercy on your soul. No, but seriously, if you have had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, please use this email address only,

Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I generally don't check my other email, so if you have an old email address for me, please use the west at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. I promise you, I will call you back. I'd love to have you on the show. And what I'm going to try and do is utilize encounters I've had on the show

for the television project. And again, I realize not everyone wants to be on TV. I get it. I completely understand it. But if you'd like to come on the podcast and share your encounter, please, please, please email me, Wes at Saskwarch Chronicles.com. And then, you know, I'd like to transition some of the encounters to video format,

to a television format. Well, tonight's going to be an interesting night. Cato emailed me. He's with the Nespeer's tribe, and he wanted to share some of the encounter stories that he grew up with and some of his family members have experienced. So, Cato, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me on, my.

And before we actually, I know there's a lot of stories, a lot of really interesting stories that I want to have you talk about as far as the tribe goes. We start off by talking about your encounter as far as when you heard them. Oh, yeah. So we have a cabin up in Idaho. It's kind of in the middle of nowhere on this mountain.

mountain and we stay up there in the cabin and stuff and one night we were sleeping and my mom first heard it was a kind of a scream kind of like a woman getting like assaulted or I don't know it just sounded like a weird scream it was just like high-pitched and it was scary and like once we heard that we just kind of put the lights on and kind of tried to ignore it. And then the next day we walked around the campgrounds, the other campgrounds, and everyone in the whole camp heard it. And we have a two-mile radius of just camp like cabins. And every single person heard it. And they said they heard it like by their camp and we heard it by our camp. So people believe there was like multiple ones just kind of circling our camp. And people

believe they circle our camp when we're not up there because they'll find like our cabins open or people go up there like alone and they'll see stuff and they tell you not to go alone up there because sometimes people see stuff and just creepy like that. Growing up on the reservation, growing up, you know, being around people, you know, within the community, what did they talk about these things? What was kind of the general, because I know that your family's aware of them and, you know, the different tribal members are aware of them, what was kind of the conversation that they had talked about? When you heard the screaming, I mean, we'll get to some of the other stories,

but when you heard the screaming, what did your family members say? They, the night we heard it, they didn't know what it was, and then when the morning we were like, did we hear what we actually heard? And then once everyone else kind of confirmed it, Then we were like, oh, yeah, it's probably either Bigfoot or some ghosts, because that place is pretty old and haunted, too. Your folks have actually seen the creature. My mom has.

And what happened when she saw it? She saw it when she was little, and she was coming back from Seattle, and her, my aunt, my grandma, which is her mom, and my grandpa, I was driving home because they live in Idaho so they just would go over to Seattle sometimes and check it out and we are

she said that when they were driving they saw a really tall black man like that's what they said a black man at the time standing on the side of the road just watching cars and they're like why is that big black guy like standing there and the closer they got they

realized it wasn't a man and it was kind of just like a big creature watching and they couldn't believe what they saw and they wanted to stop but then like they're on the highway so they just kind of saw it and we're in disbelief because you hear about those things happening like people seeing it all the time but once you see it or like hear it just catches you off guard like you can't really be ready for it yeah no you're never ready for it when you see it what i mean people say they are ready for you know like finding big foot or whatever they're all ready to see it, but once I feel like if they do see it, then they are pretty

much no more finding Bigfoot. Even some of your hardened researchers that have been out for a while and have seen them and have heard them, I think every encounter, they're first to tell you, well, I really wasn't expecting that. It's kind of like, you know, I've had a lot of guess on who are researchers, and they will be first to tell you that, well, it started warrens. or it started screaming and so we left. It always throws me off because I'm like,

this is why you're there. This is what you're out there for. Yeah, like, you're not going out there to just hear some woodknocks. You're out there to hear some actual creatures making sound. Yeah. Well, I'll let you take over the mic. Tell us some stories that have been handed down to you through the community of the Ness Pierce,

and I'll let you take over. Sweet. So the Nez Perth tribe, everyone kind of grows up believing in Bigfoot, and it's whether or not you see him that there's a lot of people that see him, and then there's a lot of people

that haven't, but they still believe. And so when I was growing up, I heard don't go out in the woods alone because you'll hear sounds like something will try to pull you into the forest and take you, and at that time, they would say

stick and ins, but now the more I hear about sticking, the more I believe it's actually like Bigfoot encounters, because I would hear stories like, oh yeah, we heard something in the background making noise, and we're just like, oh, it's

probably just sticking and watching us, so we left and that's what you do all the time you leave because you don't give it any attention. Otherwise, it could, like, it got you, if you give it your attention because then you're going to get curious and you're going to walk towards it and that's exactly what it wants and there's stories of the next first tribe going up to the camp that we stay it's called Talmocks and the stories we hear

up there is people go up there like alone or something just to go up there to camp out by themselves and this one older lady she said that i forgot her name but she's related to me she said she was sitting in her cabin and um there's like this open area in the middle of the whole campground and it's like the trees are cut down and just open fields for events to happen and bonfires like so the whole camp can get together she said that she was sitting there and she was looking out in the field and she saw two like really big men walk like through the camp and she was like they didn't look like men the closer they got so she kind of sat in her cabin and hid out and she said that they were walking around

the camp kind of checking it out and she said that they were probably checking to see if anyone was around and that's a lot of people believe in especially like the elders the older people they said that these human like creatures will walk around this camp

to see if it's safe for them to stay or once people come they'll stay back and watch and they seem to know when people are around and when people aren't it when you're by yourself they aren't scared.

Like, if you're with a little group, they'll be curious and check you out, but if you're with a big camp, they're not going to come in the middle of the camp and look at you. They're going to stay on the back. But, yeah, you always heard stories about don't go out in the forest alone because these things could easily drag you out or whatever. And I remember this story. My cousin, he works for the forest rate, like the National Forest.

And his job is to watch for fires, and those fire towers are in the middle of nowhere. Like, they have to park out in the middle of nowhere on the dirt road and then walk, like, at least 30 or 40 miles there. It's just a lawn walk, and then they'd get up there, and they pretty much just live up there forever. And there's stories with us. My cousin said he would stay up there, and he would feel being shake, like try to shake the post, or he'd look down and he'd hear people, like,

I don't know, kind of gibberish talk. and you just could hear like Zanes walk around. He knew it wasn't people, so he knew that these Zanes saw him walk up to the tower by himself, and they knew he was in there by himself. They just were like kind of observing him, I guess. And every time he left, he always was like, I was so scared to leave because I knew these Zines knew I was here, but that's my job, I guess.

So, yeah, you hear stories all the time like that, and it does its job. it scares you. I never went out in the forest alone because of those stories. But now the more I hear, the more like interested I'm getting. It's interesting. So the Ness Pierce tribe doesn't really believe that these things are the friendly forest giants, or they don't really believe that these are happy-go-lucky giant running around in the forest. I mean, they're warning people. Don't go in there by yourself. Don't go out at night. I mean, specifically referencing these creatures. That's interesting. You know they're there, but you don't want to see them. That's what my grandma told me. You know, they're there. You believe everyone that, like, tells stories because we've all seen it,

but you don't want to go looking for them. And did she give a specific warning? Why? Just all the stories that go around. The reservation is filled up with a bunch of stories, like scary, like, stories where people get scared mainly and even seeing it scares them. What does Annes Pierce tribe think that these things are? Does anyone ever talk about that? They think they're like a tribe of people because some people have said that they've seen them walking in a line and the line looks like an old kind of how Indians used to walk back then. and they'd have the full adults in the front,

the children in the middle, and then like the elders in the back. And I've heard stories where they've seen that exactly, and they'll see the kind of older ones walking, and then the younger ones, like, the shorter ones in the middle, and then, like, the gray-haired ones in the back kind of watching out for the little ones. And then they all have their own, like, signals to warn each other.

And, oh, they communicate, like, all the time in the forest. I've actually heard a lot of encounters where people talk about them walking in a line or seeing two or three and they seem to be walking not next to each other but one behind, one in the front, you know, all kind of walking in a line and it's kind of like what the Native Americans well it even goes back to military strategy

and I'm not placing this on them but it even goes back to military strategy you hide your numbers that way, you know, when you're walking in a line. It makes it easier to kind of run away if you have to. Tribes used to do that, because they would conceal their numbers. You know, if you got one tribe down here that has 1,000 people, and then you have a tribe up on the hill that has equal number, but it's sparsely broken apart, and they're all walking single file.

It's hard to figure out how many people you're up against. Has anyone in the tribe ever talked about people showing up missing directly blaming it on Sasquatch? I haven't heard of any stories, mainly because we all know that we don't go in the woods by ourselves. And when people do go in the woods, like stuff happens where, I don't know, you just kind of are aware that these things are there. So you just kind of stay elusive out there. Well, and it's interesting, too, about your cousin's story. I guarantee if that would have been three guys up in that fire, anyone who doesn't know what Gato's talking about.

Basically, they have them here in Washington State, and you're right, they're in the middle of nowhere. And Roger Patterson used to actually go to those so he'd have a clear view of the landscape, and he used to use them trying to find Sasquatch. You'd get up in those fire towers and basically use it as a lookout. But it's interesting, you know, with your cousin's situation, I'd be willing to put money down right now that if he went with two or three other people,

they probably, those saskwashes probably would have never came up to that fire tower. But the simple fact that he was alone, it makes me wonder, what is the intention there? You know, why go up and shake the tower? Why makes you wonder what their intention was? Makes it sound creepy, huh? Yeah, it makes it sound creepy, huh? sound creepy. It makes it sound like almost prey, is what it sounds like. Like they were stalking him.

Yeah, just kind of stalking him and maybe hoping they could scare him enough to come down and take off running. What else does a tribe have to say about these creatures? These creatures are out there. They're not friendly. Don't pay attention to them. Kind of warnings, a bunch of warnings. Now, does your tribe consider it like bad luck if you see one? I know sometimes I've heard some

tribal people talk about that. Like if you see one, it's bad luck, or or is it mainly that, hey, this is a wild animal or wild person, and just stay away from him? We kind of, like, think it's a creature and people that do swim up close just say, it was so ugly,

and it was the ugliest sight I've ever seen, and there's actually stories of, like, people going kind of crazy after they see this thing, like, a little bit. Older ladies will see it when they're, because up there older ladies kind of drive by themselves all the time. When they see it, they kind of get scared, and some of them even go out and they're shot. It's sad, but, like, they say they're ugly, and they're just, like, so ugly, it's just you can't handle it.

Your brain can't comprehend it. Is there one story that you can think of that you've been told, you know, either through family, friends or people in the community, where you just stopped and went, my God. One where this woman was up at Camp Tomox, and she was staying up there by herself, and she went in the, we have like really old porta potty's up there, so she went in the porta potty,

and she felt something like kind of shake it, and then she had like, just like a bunch of, like, felt like a bunch of people running around, and when she opened the door, door, there was no one there, and she said it's either, but then when she got back to the camp, she could really smell like, that's the one thing that gets you, like, alarmed is the smell. A lot of people can smell them when he's around, like, it's just a really overpowering smell.

And I haven't smelled it before because I've usually been inside, but whenever, like, people smell, they just say it's the worst thing ever. And so this camp that you guys go up to, was it your mother that saw it? Or he said a lady went up there and saw two of them? Yeah, an older lady that was staying up there by herself. The older lady that was up at the camp by herself, did she describe to you, you know, as she was telling the story, did she describe what she saw? Yeah, she said that they were far off, like, they were way over there. And she was like, oh, it's people because people go up there in camp.

the time. And she said the closer they got, the more she realized they weren't people. And then they were like pretty much right next to her cabin. And she was inside and just kind of hiding. And they weren't opening cabins or anything. They were just walking through and she watched the walk by. And she said it was ugly and she was pretty terrified because she got dropped off up there. So she had any way to get out of the camp. And she sounded pretty scared. And like she goes up there again and she's a couple baby I don't know how she goes back up there but she saw

it and she said I saw it and I don't want to see it again actually that reminds me of another story I heard so my mom my grandma so my mom's mom told me that one of her friends used to go Huckleberry picking all the time

and when she did that she like go stop her car somewhere park it and then walk like two or three miles and then set up camp and she just like picked for days and she said that one night she was getting followed by something and so when she got back to her camp she started a fire and she said this this like really ugly creature got like right by her on the fire and just start watching her and I kind of believe since she was the older lady it saw that she was kind of weak and she was like a threat it just kind of sat there

and watched her and this is how the story goes. She said that it sat there and then she kind of said in his purse words to it because that's what they tell you if you say ghosts

or anything you don't want to see just tell it to go away in his purse and she said she said that and it just sat there and when she went to her keeping it followed her in there so then she decided to leave

and when she was walking back to her car it was just following her the whole time and she didn't say it attack or anything. It just was following her. Wow, so it was following her around before she left. Yeah, like, it went in the teepee with her because she had a pretty big GP and once it did that, just had to leave. And I, that was, that terrified me when I heard that.

Yeah, I mean, that's kind of strange. It followed her into, was it, was it, did she describe how big it was? Was it a smaller one? Yeah, she didn't say it was, like, huge. She just said it was like five, six, six-seat palm. So I was thinking it was probably a young girl. I'm just kind of checking her out. And she didn't freak out when it came into the teepee with her? I think I'd been like, I'm out of here.

That's time to start pulling the guns out, you know what I mean? Yeah, she did freak out. So I left, but I just kept following her. Crazy. Did she describe what it looked like? She just said it had big black eyes and the faces, like, deformed. Like everyone says it's ugly and defunds.

and big black eyes. Yeah, that's kind of the descriptions I get all the time. Most people say it's the ugliest thing they ever saw, or I hate to use the term Down syndrome, because I know sometimes some of my audience has Down syndrome kids, so I want to be sensitive to that. But that's been used as a description. Well, I even hate to say that, but that's been used as a description.

Most people say it just looks really, really off in the face. I don't think it has anything to do with, I think it has to do with the proportions of the face. When people look at the face and they see something upright walking around, you know, you think that, well, it should look like I do or should walk like I do. And that's our own psychology putting on, you know, on this thing. I mean, it does look like a human. It has a human features like of legs and walking up straight and even the hands. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the features are similar, that's for sure. I don't think anyone can argue at that point.

How does the tribe feel about shooting one? I know a bunch of people that will shoot one if they have the chance, but usually people are just, like I hear on your show all the time, they're just in shock. They don't even know what they're looking at. I just point out their scope, so it's pretty hard. They say the whole body is kind of numb from the sight of it. The tribe doesn't frown on it then.

as far as I know some tribes kind of frown on it. Some tribes are pretty open about, especially down there in Oklahoma. I've talked to a few people on the reservation, and they talked about the dog man. No one had two qualms about shooting one. In fact, that's pretty much on the agenda. If you see one, shoot it.

And some of the tribes even with Sasquatch feel that way about shooting one. I know with Brenda Harris, she's down there in the southwest. People have shot them, and all kinds of strange things have gone on after they shot them. But in Idaho and in the area where you're at, has there been any aggressive reports that you can think of? So my own experience, we've had, so we have a camper up that, you know, it happens whenever it gets really cold.

But, like, when the weather is just bad because the tavern's pretty old, And we've had rocks going at it and like our cabins right on the edge of the forest. So like the other cabins in the middle, so we're on the far side. Forest day that we look out at that just goes on from miles. We said rocks been going at it and then our RV door gets like tried once in a while. And it'd be like at 3 in the morning. So we usually turn to open it. that you just assume it's something out there

letting us to come out and, I don't know, I still think that's fine. Yeah, so you kind of think they're enticing you to come out, and the warning has always been, don't go. One thing that you said in the beginning that was interesting was, and I know you're referencing Stickman, and depending on the tribe you talk to, some will reference Stickman as spiritual beings,

some will reference stickmen as being Sasquatch. Some will reference stickmen as being Stick Indians. I'm sorry, I keep saying Stickmen. Stick Indians as being you know, depending on the tribe you talk to is the reference you get on what it is. Yeah, like the sushi-shad tells it

little people. Yeah, and it's interesting though that the basic warning they were telling you was don't follow the what was it, don't follow the brush. If you see the brush going in, where something's walked, don't follow it? Yeah, it's usually don't follow the sounds.

Don't follow. They usually just make sounds, you know, like sticking, are hitting sticks together, hitting rocks together. I remember my grandpa told me one time he was out getting firewood with my mom and my aunt. This was when they were, like, little and he was younger. And they took them out there, and they started hearing, like, sticks getting banged together.

So he told him to get in the kind of they left right away. way and he said that. You hear that. Don't follow that. Don't need to sleep. Just get out of there because something's around that you don't want to see. That's interesting that he gave you such a strong warning. No wonder why most of the Native Americans think that the white man's the idiot,

we're out there banging on trees and trying to get them, lure them out so we can see them. And I don't think people realize how dangerous, you know, a situation you can find yourself in. And, I mean, I've been guilty of it myself of putting myself in bad situations. But, you know, you come across these things. And it's kind of like what Bob, I remember Bob Garrett, he said something to me, kind of stuck with me. I love Bob Garrett. Yeah, Bob's awesome. But it was after him and I got a log thrown at our head.

And I kept telling him, hey, let's go back. Let's go back in there. Let's go back in there. And, you know, my adrenaline's pumping. And I'm like, you know, let's go back in there. and he just real calmly looked over him and he goes, Wes, these aren't toys to be played with. You have no idea what you're messing around with in there.

And that was a warning and you back away from, when you've been warned once, you back away. You know, otherwise it's like a bar fight. You're going to probably step into a punch. You know, you're probably going to step into a fight that you don't want any part of. I just think it's interesting. The ambush?

Yeah, I mean, he, in that situation, he was more or less telling me, hey, that was a warning. Probably the next time around won't be a warning. So going back in there is a really bad idea. You know, and it was an obvious warning. I mean, the thing that threw the log at us, you know, I struggled to pick up the log. Mo and I went back. So whatever, you know, however, I don't know how big the thing was that threw it,

but it had to have a lot of strength because I could barely lift the log and I'm a pretty big guy. But I was struggling to lift the log up that had just been thrown at my head the night before. You know what I mean? Yeah. There's also another story I heard from my aunt's friend. He was over in Washington, too. And you know the Mount San Juan's eruption back then? Yeah, I remember. Yeah, absolutely. He said that after everything kind of like, after everything happened, that they closed the area off and the kind of the government came in or some people came in and they said that they went in. before like everyone else to take the dead big foot by his away before everyone else could see it. Yeah, I know my previous co-host said he was there when that happened and claimed that didn't happen.

But you never know. I mean, in these situations, I just posted up on the blog, a Forest Ranger that claimed he had hit one. and they were basically being sent out to go look for animals that were suffering from smoke inhalation, you know, trying to get animals that were hurt from the fire. And he was driving along. They were in a big truck. And he was driving too fast. And him and his partner were joking around. And he said this thing stepped out on the road.

And they hit it. They thought it was a small bearer. And they hit it. So they stopped the car, got out and realized it wasn't a small bearer. And if you get a chance, check that out. It's a really cool an interview that was done with this ex-Forest ranger because he talks about the government coming in and basically telling them they hit a bear

and whenever he tells his story to let him know they hit a bear. Did those two guys come and visit him, the big macho guy and the little suit guy? Well, what was interesting about that story, he didn't give a description of the two guys, but he said that these two government officials came basically said, take us back to where you hit this thing. So they got in the car with them, and they drove back to where they had hit this thing.

And he doesn't give a description of what the two guys were, but they got out, loaded up the body in their truck. He said that there was blood and hair on the bottom undercarriage of his truck, and the government officials said, you drive our car back, and we're going to drive your car back. And they basically warned the guys, said, hey, you hit a bear. and one of the forest rangers said, I know it wasn't a bear that we hit. And he goes,

and you're not to understand what I'm telling you, you hit a bear. And anytime you tell this story, you tell people you hit a bear. And if you don't, you're going to lose your job. You're going to lose your retirement.

You know, we can easily make a fool out of you to look crazy to everyone. If that's the right, you want to go. So he kept his mouth shut for many years. And just recently, he's come out and said, hey, I hit one of these things. And these guys were well, aware of, there was no shock when these guys saw it. They knew exactly what it was. On the show,

we've had a lot of people come forward and say they ran into these two guys. Unfortunately, in that interview with the Forest Ranger, I don't think he ever gives a description of the two guys, but one of them was kind of aggressive with the guys telling them they hit a bear. Yeah, you should have both guys on the show. I'd love to have them on the show. I'm sure they... I'm listening to you right now. I'm sure they are I'm sure they listen in every week and I have no doubt

no doubt about that I believe me I have no doubt about that but um you know to give a show out Hey two creepy guys from the government thanks for listening

I really appreciate it but no it's a fascinating topic and it's something to where I love talking to the natives the native people because they they're out there the most. They have the most stories.

And it's interesting too because I hear it time and time again, the warning, don't go out by yourself, don't go out at night. And it's crazy because most Native Americans will be first to tell you, not all of them, but most of them will be first to tell you, if you hear the wood knocking, you hear the screaming, you hear the gibber, turn around, walk away, and pretend like you never heard a thing. Yep, that's pretty much what we're taught when we're little,

because that's the age where they take kids I've heard, but I haven't heard any like actual. I was talking to a gentleman earlier that called me, and he was asking me, you know, he was saying, well, why don't we find the bones of them? Why don't we find, you know, why don't we find real evidence of them? So I had to find that kind of stuff in a huge force.

Yeah, it's not only that, but a lot of people don't realize, and you'll find this a lot, ones that have died naturally. Any carcass you find out there that's died naturally, which is near to impossible finding anything that died naturally, because they don't just fall out in the open and die. Usually they go someplace to die when animals know that they're dying. They'll go to a hidden place, and they go off to die, a place to safety, because they know they're going to die.

I mean, that's a known fact that most animals would do that. the bodies, the carcasses that you find in the forest are generally prey. It's never predators. You never find like a predator's dead carcass unless it's been shot, you know, unethically shot and un morally shot and just kind of shot just for the fun of it by poachers or whatever. But generally you won't find predators. You'll find prey that had been left because of a predator, but you rarely ever find a, like, I don't think I've ever seen a bobcat that's died naturally.

I don't think I've ever seen a mountain lion that's died naturally. I don't think I've ever seen a bear. I mean, I honestly, I've never seen any of these predator-type animals, like a bear that's died naturally out in the woods. I just haven't. I've seen prey like deer, but I've never once come across to predator's carcass. Yeah, I don't think I have either. It's a valid question, I think a lot of people ask,

like why don't we find the carcats, why don't we find evidence? It's a valid question, but I think people who've been out in the woods understand that the woods eat stuff up, especially out here in the Pacific Northwest, the woods will consume anything dead relatively quick. Oh, yeah.

As long as you show me the great sites, you know of. Oh, the burial sites? Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple here in Washington. One is over in, um, Oh, not Camas, Wachugel. One of the areas that claims to have these burial mounds where we have pictures of them is in a place called Washogel, Washington. And it's a little bit farther north and kind of east.

And it's obviously outside of town, but you hike into these places. I don't know, man. Well, I've been warned not to dig places like that up. I've been pretty heavily warned to definitely don't go in there and dig anything up and to stay away from those areas. But I'm kind of leaning more towards, I think they eat their own.

Really? Well, I've heard, like, some people think they're cannibals, so I would understand that. Well, and I think that's where the term a lot of tribes use is saying they're cannibals. We think of cannibals like, you know, eating each other. But I think that a lot of the tribes, when you go back and you listen to a lot of the stories that some of the tribes talk about, these things being cannibals, they do talk about them

eating humans, but they also talk about these things eating one another. And I think the term cannibal more or less comes from the reference of them eating each other. Yeah. Well, and as you read through a lot of these older stories and different stories, especially from Native Americans, I've had a few tell me flat out that they eat their own. They eat their dead. They eat their own. Which is very animalistic type behavior. You know what I mean? Yeah, like I can see. Like, bears do that all the time. Yeah, I think most animals do. And, you know, even these being a primate, which I, you know, I felt like they're a primate. And again, it's my opinion. It's my opinion.

It's my opinion, but... I think they're wild creatures, too. Yeah, oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, they're wild, but I think that it's not too far off. You know, you look at chimpanzees, and they have no qualms about eating another primate. I mean, they do it all the time. They wouldn't, you know, I wouldn't think twice about eating another primate. In fact, when they go and kill other monkeys and, you know, they slam them against trees and eat them, I think that...

I've seen a bamboo, eat a baby bamboo. time. Yeah, and that's another good one. I mean, and they'll do that. They'll do that sort of thing. They'll sit and... So I think that these things probably do the same thing. I'd be willing to bet money that they eat their own.

Why did they... I don't think that they're dragging off. They're dead. You know, a lot of people talk about shooting them. Like the season... Like the... That one show, you're talking over. That guy shot in and it started dying.

And when he went out... Him and his brother went out to go. grab it and other ones. Grabbed and ran it back in the forest. Yeah, and ran it back into the forest. Now, Mike Humphreys never said that they ate it. That's just me assuming that they did. But, you know, I had, like, Bobby Hamilton on.

Always remember that show that I had him on because he had a story that this hunter had told him, and the hunter was up in a deer stand, saw this thing, freaked out, and shot it. and he said that it dropped and got up, stumbled, screamed at him, and then ran out into this sandbar that wasn't far away from where his deer stand was, ran out in the open. And when it ran out to the sandbar, it basically lent out another scream. And the hunter describes it as it was obviously a painful scream. What the hunter said happened was he said two or three others came out.

First, a large one came out. and he said it reminded him of a gorilla running on two legs but kind of on a knuckle. I don't know if you've ever seen a gorilla where they'll run, but they'll kind of bounce off their knuckles as they run. And he said, that's kind of what it did as it came out. And he said that it used its forearm and immediately broke the neck of the one he just shot. And he said, what happened was it started ripping it apart, started ripping arms off. and he said others came out from another side came running out towards it

ripped the head off, ripped the legs off, and he said he sat and watched this one with this arm that he just ripped off and started beating it against a tree until it was mush. And then it sat down and started, it ate the whole arm, ate the bone and everything. Well, that'd be some pretty crazy footage if he got that. Oh my God, are you kidding me? and this guy's pretty traumatized, but he was telling Bobby the story.

I wouldn't even know how to leave that place after seeing it. Yeah, I don't think he left for like eight hours. I think he just sat in his tree stand, clenching his gun. And then when he felt like it was safe, he got down and ran for his life back to his truck. But it's just stuff like that. You hear stories about them doing different things like that. The story at the beginning of the podcast was with, the Lafour incident.

And basically they came across a pile of dead bodies of children and some of the women that came up missing. And the Sasquatches were eating them, sitting there eating them. And then a fight broke out after that. So, I mean, you just hear a lot of these weird stories. And sometimes fact is stranger than fiction. You know what I mean? Sometimes you hear some of this stuff. And there's a ring of truth to some of it that you hear.

You know what I mean? Like it makes sense? Yeah, like it kind of makes sense. You know, it's like the Lafour incident down in Oklahoma with the Chuktaugh Indians. It sounds like myth when you first start reading the story, and the more research you do on the story, you start to realize that something happened. This wasn't just a made-up story. This just wasn't a myth that they told people. There's way too many details in the story.

for this to be something that someone concocted 100 years. Well, actually it happened in the 1800s more than 100 years ago. But you just hear, there's too many details to the story. There's just too much going on for it to be concocted. And then as you read other articles on the incident, you kind of start putting two and two together to where it makes me think this actually happened. This was a real story. This is something that happened in time.

I mean, if they're making an article, it's probably pretty really, real. The story's been around for a long time and I know I've talked to some of the chuktaas down there in Oklahoma, some of the tribal members and they'll flat out tell you it's a true story that it actually happened, that it wasn't something they just told their kids as a scary bedtime story that it actually happened. I'm looking into one of the counties down there. It looks like the county was named after this guy that actually had his head snapped off during the battle between the the Sasquatches and when they were the rating party that went in it looks like I'm doing a little more research on that but it looks like the county was actually named after

this guy. Did you say the county? Yeah, the county. The county looks like it was named after it. Wow. Yeah, those stories are creepy. Yeah, there's some crazy ones. There's definitely some crazy ones.

Well, do me a favor if anyone on the tribe has, I know a lot of tribal members don't like to talk to outsiders about it. and for the love of Christ, don't tell my grandmother was Apache, because then they'll want nothing to do with me. But, you know, if they have encounters or anything that happens down there and they want to come on the air, let me know. I love to have them on. I love talking to the Lord.

Oh, yeah, right after I hear this episode, I'm going to tell everyone. Yeah, absolutely. And I hope you come up to Talmock sometime. I'd like to show you around. Yeah, I'd like that a lot. The next time I'm in that area, I'll definitely look you up. I'll have to stay in contact. Yeah, absolutely.

Well, you have my number. You're welcome. Yeah. Give me a call anytime, ma'am. Sweet, I will. Well, Cato, I appreciate you being on, ma'am. Well, thanks for having me. It's a real honor.

I've been listening to this show ever since it was on YouTube. I appreciate that, man. The honor's mine. And just keep doing what you're doing. I'm full support and I really want to meet you someday. That'd be cool. I appreciate it, man. Very much.

Yeah, thanks for having me on. Cato, thanks for coming on, man. I really appreciate it on a holiday weekend. And if you've had an encounter out there, please email me, Wes at saskwatch chronicles.com, along with your contact information. And if you get a chance,

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