Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1071 Caught With Your Pants Down

Episode Date: July 7, 2024

Tonight I will be speaking to Jeremy. In 1984 he was on vacation with his family. The family stopped in Colorado to take a break from their road trip. Jeremy stepped out of the camper to pee and was face to face with a creature. I will also be speaking to Pete. Pete owns a home in rural New Hampshire. Recently he has noticed a lot of strange activity on his property.

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forwards.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. Bitch is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a bale sir? Yes, I'm looking right in.

This is James Bailey representing the Great Pacific Northwest, and you're listening to my favorite podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. You know, on last night's show, I interviewed Scott and Sheila, and they were on these Squatch fishing outfitters on, you can find them on Facebook. They do these expeditions around their property or kind of near their property.

But Scott and Sheila shared so much evidence, including audio, and just their experience of buying this remote cabin. I want to thank them again for coming on the show. Tonight we'll be chatting with Jeremy. And in 1984, he had an encounter in Colorado. He was out with his family on a vacation, kind of traveling across the United States. and had a little camper trailer. And one night he stepped out to relieve himself,

and he was face to face with one of these creatures. We'll also be chatting with Pete. And Pete's kind of a new listener to the show. But six years ago in New Hampshire, he had a very strange encounter while out with a friend. Pete had actually purchased a home kind of out in the country. And recently, he's had some very odd things happen around his home. And as you listen to Pete, for me anyway, after interviewing so many people, I can tell you this is how they usually tell me how it starts on the property.

But I'll let Pete go into that. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Pete to the show. Pete, thanks for coming on.

Thank you, Wes. I appreciate it very much. Yeah, and I really want to talk to you about what's going on around your home. Before we get into that, you had a very strange encounter happened to you about six years ago, didn't you, Pete? That's right. I talked to my wife tonight about that. I'm not very good with remembering time. And, you know, strangely for me, I remember things by how old someone was.

was or whatnot. And I have two children, a nine-year-old daughter and a seven-year-old son, and my daughter is nine. So I recall that she was a toddler, and we've determined she was three, so that was six years ago. So what happened was, and I'll preface this by saying, I tend to believe in Bigfoot, even long before even having any experience. Because when I was a kid, I had some paranormal experiences growing up with spirits and whatnot. So being open-minded to that concept left me kind of more accepting of the possibility of all manner of possibilities. Do you see what I'm saying? So being from New Hampshire, I didn't think, I've heard other people on your program talk about this that they thought they were out west. And that's kind of how I felt. I felt that, you know, certainly there was a possibility strong of the existence. And I believe people who said they had encounters. But Being from out here in such a small state, I didn't think I would ever have one, nor did I really know that they were here. So anyhow, that day, when my daughter was three, my buddy came by, a very good friend with his Jeep, and he brought his daughter. And the idea being that we would take our daughters, father and daughter trip, up on a beautiful country back road.

It's a class six logging road, about a mile from where I live. And this old logging road heads up to what was called Fowler Town. It's a 19th century village that was abandoned, defunct. And the only way to get there is through these class sixes. It connects my town to another town called Wilmot. So it's still a fairly wild country. My pal shows up with his daughter. I load my little girl in and we take a nice, obviously, slow drive on this class six

with a four-wheel drive Jeep up into the hills. It's early fall, absolutely gorgeous, you know, sunshine, and couldn't pick a more beautiful day. So I'm in the back with my daughter, and he's up front. We get up about 20 minutes into the ride. There's a spot called the bog. And some four-wheel drive enthusiasts like to go up there and wet weather, and they'll try to run their rigs through it.

And I've heard of more than one person who had to have a back-o come up and pull him out of the bog. You know what I mean? So that does happen. Anyway, we went up there and it was beautiful. The bog wasn't terribly soaked or whatnot. And anyhow, we get up there and we stopped the Jeep. And Scotty and I got out of the Jeep and our daughter stayed in.

And it was very quiet. It was absolutely quiet. There was not a bird, not a bug, which was kind of odd. Scott and I were standing there maybe 10 feet from the Jeep talking about, God knows what, I don't recall. But a massive roar, Wes, a sound I've never heard in my life. And I listened to enough of your shows by now to hear a couple people after listening about 100 episodes. Maybe two or three have shared what I heard.

I have recognized through other people sharing. But what I heard was a roar from across the bog that started out. I'll use the term bellow. It started very low. And it went for, Jesus, it seemed like a crazy long time. You know what I mean? It was so loud, and it went for a long time, and it started off low like a, I thought hippopotamus. I've heard other people say dinosaur, but in my mind, I was thinking like hippo or something massive.

It sounded very big, and I felt it in my chest. You know, Scott and I were standing there talking when this sound went off, and I could feel it move inside of me. And I felt it inside of me. It obviously stopped us dead, you know, in the middle of our conversation. And I don't know what I looked like. I was looking at my buddy. And his face turned stark white. And this noise, like I said, it started low and it went high.

And, you know, after so many seconds, I can't tell you how long in particular. I wasn't timing it. But it went so high like a screech, like a high-pitched scream. And it was amazing. And immediately, immediately, I knew that we had just heard a Sasquatch. I know as crazy as that sounds. but, you know, I grew up here. I know what animals are in the forest.

I know what things sound like. You know what I'm saying? I grew up in a rural area playing all day all my life. And I've never heard anything like that. And I said, Scotty, my God, dude, that's a, it's a big foot. And he looks at me and he says, no, no, it's just a bear. But his actions, right? So he denied it.

But he immediately jumped back in the Jeep, started it up. And I got in and we headed down. off the hill. Now the thing is, I was terrified while excited. So I'm not putting my buddy down. Like, he was right in his feeling because I felt it too. You know, I gave it a lot of thought. I was like, you know, people say they talk to you with empathic telepathy, you know, but I think there's a universal communication in a high-pitched scream or a roar. Like, I think, when I think back on it, that it's obvious that it was telling us to get out of there. and I felt it very strongly.

You know, I was very excited while simultaneously being very frightened because we had our kids with us. You know what I mean? And I do recall looking across that bog toward the tree line, trying to see anything, any movement, any indication of where that sound came from and I couldn't see anything. And I remember,

you know, heading back down off the hill. So what was supposed to be a long leisurely cruise with our kids, you know, came to an abrupt end. And as we were heading down the hill, I kept scanning the tree line, you know, nervously looking to see if there was anything out there. And my pal, you know, he was just chattering on just absolutely, you know, I think he was terrified. But he was talking about inane, you know, silly topics.

I couldn't, can't even recall what he was saying. And he quickly pulled into my driveway and dropped my daughter and off eye off and he just took off. You know what I mean? It was very abrupt. and it's bothered me that he wouldn't talk to me about it. You know what I mean? Like I tried to redirect and I tried to say, hey, man, you know, what was that that we experienced?

You know, let's talk about this. And he's not having it. And I wouldn't have it then. And we've since kind of stopped being friends. And that was the incident. You know, it's strange. In this topic, you'll pick up weird little things. What you'll find is when two people have an encounter,

and, you know, one of them obviously would like to forget it, they're no longer friends. Or even if someone doesn't want to forget it, those friendships end. And it seems to only happen in Sasquatch encounters. It's bizarre. How far away from you was that roar? I'm going to say, and I haven't been up there since,

I'm going to say 70 yards. I say it was just beyond the other side of the swamp, the bog. I mean, basically, it was loud. And it was louder than anything I've ever heard. Like people say, you know, I went to a zoo and I heard a lion. Like, I've never even heard of that at a zoo. I mean, it moved inside me. It was not anything you could mistake for a bear.

He knew it wasn't a bear. That was absurd. Yeah, I mean, based on your description, that doesn't sound like any bear I've ever heard. But it's so weird how people react. You know, it's like you'll get a group full of people on a car. There'll be a roadside crossing. no one will say a word to each other for a long period of time. And then a lot of times they're not friends afterwards.

It's strange how we react as humans. Well, let me tell you something about him. Kind of a neat guy, a big dude. And he was a real party and buddy of mine when we were teenagers. And his thing was always going out brawling. You know, we couldn't go to a party. You couldn't go out to a bar. And he wanted the brawl and all this.

But the hilarity of him was he wasn't that guy come Sunday. day he liked to drink chocolate milk and watch romantic comedies when he was hung over you know what I mean so there was always this projection of toughness versus who he actually was you know what I mean I knew who he was and he's actually a really nice good guy and one time we were discussing paranormal because I'm curious about that topic because of my experiences as a kid and he said I am absolutely terrified of it he says I don't even want to hear about it and I said why man I find that so fascinating he says did I tell you my father is a a seventh son of a seventh son.

And I said, no. I knew his dad. I didn't know this, right? And he's like, yeah. He said he had the gift of second sight. And I've heard that folklore, but I never actually thought I would meet a seventh son. And he told me this, unfortunately, after his father had passed. But apparently in the different homes that they lived in growing up, his father would see ghosts a lot, like every day. And he got kind of a pleasure out of teasing my pal telling him about the ghosts and what

they were doing and this and that. And my friend grew up in that environment so uncomfortable with that thing, that type of stuff he couldn't control or that he felt intimidated by that the whole topic was off limits. Do you see what I'm saying? Yeah, that makes sense. He's one of those guys. He probably saw a lot of weird stuff growing up. And the way he deals with it is to run away from it.

It does make sense when you kind of describe his background. You have this home that isn't far from where this incident actually has. to you. And recently, there's been a lot of weird things happening around the home, and you're kind of noticing it on the property? Yeah, so I will tell. And I'm very sorry if I screw things up. I'm kind of nervous. But my wife and I moved to this property. It's about a mile away from where I heard the scream. And it's down in town, but it's up on a hill. We have a bog out back, a little swamp, and a small game trail and a beautiful creek.

So it's a five-acre lot with a mobile home. But the creek and the bog are just priceless, you know. Anyhow, we moved in here about 10 years ago. It had belonged to my uncle. And we brought our two dogs with us. We had Ted and Annie. Ted was the older. He was a Rottweiler, and Annie was our German Shepherd.

And from day one, Teddy was on bear patrol. He basically, every day was running through the woods. Boo, roo, roo, riff, riff. He constantly chased bears out of here. And still we had them. You know, I could look out the window. There'd be a bear by my picnic table. Many bears and trees got to the point where I felt bad for the bears.

I do. I don't mind them. You know what I mean? They did get in my shed a lot. I had a lot of issues with bears coming and literally tearing the door off my shed. and they had a padlock on it. So I've been through the rounds dealing with the bears. Fishing game came out and helped me.

They hooked me up with an electric fence at one point. But Ted passed. He died two years ago on Valentine's Day. And anyway, since Ted died, this is all in retrospect. This is all in the last couple months. I've realized what happened. We have not had any bear activity here. We've not seen any deer.

I haven't seen any moose. I haven't seen any rabbits. And this is all, you know, things that I've just realized after working and listening to your program because things are starting to make sense to me. You know, I'm putting two and two together. The strange experiences started that summer after Teddy passed and, you know, a lot of movement in the tree line. We'd hear sticks breaking. This is how it started. Here I am thinking we might have a bear issue.

I have two small children. You know, we have a swimming pool. We have bicycles. My kids are out playing. but things really picked up this fall when I took a third shift custodial position up at Dartmouth College. I work in the evenings now to the morning. And I would say it was this fall that things started getting odd around here. A lot of trees coming down.

We started hearing, but we don't know what it is. It sounds like a huge owl. Okay, we got this thing that goes around our property. It usually starts in the evening. and it makes these hooting noises. Anyway, what this is, is it sounds very large, and it makes hooting noises, and there's not just one of them, there's multiple.

So this started a couple summers ago after my dog Ted had passed. And I forgot to tell you, my other dog, Annabelle, who's a year younger than Ted, she's a shepherd. Since his passing, she doesn't go outside by herself.

She's terrified. And I had chalked this up to her being heartbroken about losing her companion. I'm thinking different now. There are dead trees on my property that in the wintertime that you would get storms and these dead trees would come down. That's to be expected. What I'm dealing with now is not dead trees necessarily.

And the ones that are coming down are strategic. So it started this fall. My wife got very sick and she ended up being hospitalized for about eight, nine days. And I had to take time off from work. And I stayed home with my kids. and one of the things we were doing was spending a lot of time in the woods, particularly by the creek. There were tree structures here. I sent you photos of when we moved in. There was strange teepee type logs stacked together and whatnot. And even though I had my experience with Sasquatch, and I believed in him, I jokingly told the kids, you know, I said, ha ha, you know, those are Sasquatch huts.

So the kids and I, when my wife was in the hospital, we made little, what we called, baby Sasquatch huts. We made little tree forts, made out of sticks, you know, just to keep us occupied and keep us out in the woods. I'm telling this because I think that's when things started really picking up. You know, I was wondering what was the, what started it? You know what did I do? I'm wondering, did I do something to cause this? Because not long after that, I would come home from work and there would be large trees knocked down over the paths that lead from my yard down to the creek. and I'm talking big trees. Coincidentally, right near my dog Teddy's grave,

I put up a big grave for him. That's really when things started. I would come home and I'm like, oh man, another tree. For instance, this spring, I came home one morning and we have a hill. There's three paths that lead off of the property down to the creek. And at one of the beginnings is a little hill that my kids have sledded on since, you know, they were little ones. and since we've been here, you know, there's nothing over the hill.

There's pines at the top where the yard starts, and there's a clump of pine trees, you know, like an eight-foot diameter clump of young pines that are, you know, 10, 12 feet tall, some larger, ripped out of the ground by their roots and thrown over the path. This is crazy. This is not from a storm. There had not been a storm, you know. And then it hit me one morning. I have to listen to your program and I came home and I parked the car and I looked and I realized,

oh my God, every single path entrance to the forest has been blocked since fall by trees. Early spring, right? I'm sitting here because I work nights. When I get nights off, I just sit and I read and I'll watch YouTube and I'll play my guitar, but I have the windows open. So I'm sitting here listening and I hear those owl things outside, right? And you can hear on one side of the property like 40 feet from the building, the owl noise. And then off in the woods like 100 yards is another one. And I'll go, wow, that's weird. You know, they're calling to each other.

And then, right, check this out, coyote noises and not far. And I'm thinking of myself, what the heck? Why am I hearing coyotes? And then I thought, why would the coyotes go near this owl thing? You know what I mean? They wouldn't voluntarily go near each other. But I could hear them out beyond the tree line in front of my owls, getting closer and closer to each other.

and then the coyote noises changed and there became this it sounded violent the noise was like akakakak and there was kind of like the sound of biting teeth and some squealing and then the owl noise again you know the who who who who silence no more coyote noise so i know this sounds bizarre maybe this is something you're like okay bud but that that's you know i heard that outside my window And unfortunately, I don't have tape running. I did try to record one night on my telephone. I got some of the noises. Unfortunately, I didn't get that one.

Most activity has been centered on my wife. Where this really started to where I took notice was I came home in the morning this early spring, late winter, so February and March. And, you know, I get home about 7.15 in the morning. And my wife says, I had the weirdest thing happened last night, about two, three, three, I said, oh yeah, what's that? And she said, something was outside the window. I think it was a bear. She said it was growling and heavy breathing.

And I said, what? Really? You know, bears hibernate. First of all, that's not what bears do. That's not bear behavior. So I would say a few weeks past, I came home again. And she says, I had another weird thing last night, around two or three in the morning. She says, I think it was maybe a moose or a deer.

She said, I had very heavy breathing outside the bedroom window. and something was scraping its antler against the trailer up and down the trailer. And at this point, you know, there was still snow on the ground. So I said, let's go see if there's any tracks. And we went out back and we walked around. This is, by the way, 20 feet from the tree that fell down near my dog's grave. And there's not a track to be seen. So, you know, this is very weird stuff.

A moose or a deer would not come to our window. You know, a bear is not going to come to a window. What is going on here? And that's continued to happen. She heard, you know, just a couple weeks ago, she went out back to turn on the propane to cook. And she said something from the forest made a dog noise, a woof sound. But it sounded large and said, woof, you know, I don't think that was a dog. We don't have neighbors over there.

That's over near the creek. And I wonder if it's related to Teddy's grave. You know what I mean? I don't know if they're mocking us or if they're mocking us. or if they're mocking his absence. Maybe I'm reading into things too far. I don't know, but we didn't have any of these experiences while he was alive. And my other dog is now terrified.

You know what I mean? Like I get home in the morning and she'll get off the porch. She'll come down to go to the bathroom and whatnot. But if I'm not here, she's not going out. Yeah, definitely weird things going on around your home. I could see why you're concerned. Did the activity actually start or did it coincide with the time you accepted that job and started working the graveyard shift? About the time. But, you know,

like I said, there was movement in the trees prior. You know, Ted had passed in the first summer without Ted. We thought it was bears. You know what I'm saying? My mind was thinking, oh, no, you know, Teddy's gone now. He's not running the bears off. This must be bears circling the property. But yes, the trees coming down, the noises at the window, this is all started up when I took this job working nights cleaning the college. And I think it's focused on my wife. You know, that's another one of those hammer to the head moments where it's like clearly she's having more experiences. She said last week, you know, I leave the house around 8.30, you know, and she said I just left maybe a minute or two after I pulled out of the driveway. She said there was a massive slap against the side

of the shed. We have an outbuilding, you know, that's, you know, 20 feet from the trailer, a shed where we keep our bicycles and stuff like that and said it was a huge slap, which is another thing I've heard of on your show. My wife doesn't listen to the show. I don't tell her this stuff. You know what I'm saying? So it's really weird that she's experiencing this. Yeah, it's kind of another weird thing with the subject. I found this over years of interviewing people, but I would talk to housewives and their husbands would work graveyard. The moment their husbands would leave, the activity would really pick up. The creatures would come close to the home, come up to the window, start tapping the window, maybe growling through the window.

I want to ask you, that yak, yak, yak, yak sound that you heard, did it sound like language? Not really, and I'm literally giving words to, it was like, ak, ak, you know, and there was like a teeth clamping sound behind it and squealing and like, yeah, like you'd hear like almost like the coyotes if they were coyotes were getting hurt. But that doesn't make sense because the owl thing walked over to the coyotes. Do you know what I'm saying? Like if they were adversaries or some sort of like natural hunting scenario, I wouldn't have heard it the way I did.

You know what I mean? Like they were off in a distance a little bit and then they wandered over to each other. I'm telling you what went down. Not that I can make sense of things. You know, it just is what it is. Like this is what I'm observing. And there is something I want to share with you. You know, another one of those.

Hammer to the head movements. My grandfather had a farmhouse across town from your same town, and his home actually was on the backside of a ridge line called the Skyline Trail that runs off of Cardigan Mountain State Forest. He lived, it was called Shepard's Hill Farm, and his property abutted up to that ridge. When I was a young guy, like in my late teens, early 20s, I stopped by to see my grandfather.

And I realized this listening to your program one night, you know, when I was cleaning. And it hit me like a hammer to the head. I remember this day. I stopped in to see my grandfather and he was out in the yard. And I said, how are you? He said, oh, good old boy. He says, I've been dealing with monsters. I said, what?

He says, yeah, I've been dealing with these big monkey creatures out in the woods. I said, what are you talking about? He says, they hide behind the trees and they weave in and out at me. And they show me their teeth. and he mimicked them showing their teeth. Oh my God, this makes my hair stand up. Because back then, I was like, oh, okay, you know, we're headed towards dementia, right? Which eventually did happen.

And I was able to write that off as, oh, you know, he was just delusional. I don't think he was, you know, after listening to so many accounts and the behavior and the weaving and the hiding behind the trees and the showing the teeth, I think my grandfather had an encounter. So when I was a little kid, I used to go up there. There was an old man and his wife that was friends with my grandfather. They rented an apartment on the other side of my grandfather's garage at the farm. And his name was Scotty. And he was an old fella. This is before I even went to school.

You know what I mean? My parents would let me go off with Scotty. And we'd wander through the woods and he'd show me rock stone walls. And he would tell me how Indians built them. Anyway, a few years back, I heard someone say, Scotty claimed to see Sasquatch up past our grandfather's farm near Grant's Pond. There's a runway up there, a private runway in an old abandoned farmhouse. And apparently, this old fellow that I used to walk around with claimed to have seen Sasquatch up there.

And that's like a mile away from my grandfather, you know. So that's another aspect of that. My dad, he had a junkyard up there at my grandfather's farm where he kept old cars and trucks that he liked to work on. and he would build paths and trails with his back-oh, and I'd help him once in a while. But one of his favorite things to do, he'd pull out a lawn chair out there in the woods, and he'd have a cigar and a beer in the evening, and he'd just like to decompress. My father was a Vietnam veteran, you know, older guy. He really loved the forest, and he loved peace.

And anyway, he's also interested in Sasquatch. And he told me that he heard Trey knocks up there. And unfortunately, Dad died this December. And, you know, obviously I'm not able to share the things that have been going on here around the home with him. I do think of them, you know, and the fact that he did believe in Sasquatch. We weren't able to talk about my grandfather and his encounter because I'd forgotten about it. You know what I mean? It wasn't until I was listening to your program that I put two and two together, you know.

He was talking about monkeys, big monkey monsters that were peeking at them from behind trees. I mean, oh, man. So what happened was my grandfather was in his late 70s. He was a real tough old guy. You know, he'd grown up in northern Michigan on logging camps, you know. And he found his joy and happiness out in the woods. He loved being in the woods. So here he is in his late 70s.

He's still cutting down trees. He dropped a tree out there on his leg and was pinned to the ground out in the woods until he's screaming alerted a neighbor or someone I don't recall. So when I told you that story about seeing him in his yard that was just prior to him, dropping that tree on his leg. After he came out of the hospital and recouped from that injury, he really went downhill very fast with the dementia. Even though we hired people to stay with him, he was a considerable physical strength.

I mean, he was the strongest man I've ever met. Even as an elderly man, he was insanely strong. So he became violent. People couldn't contain him, and he would head for the forest. And we would have, you know, search people up there, ambulances. I remember two occasions of my grandfather being lost in the forest and huge groups of people out there looking for him. And we did find him and he did have to go live in a home where he quickly succumbed to, you know, illness and past, which is not uncommon. So I share that because I think that kind of, it helped me mask his testimony of his encounter.

You know what I mean? When I was young, I didn't think about it because I thought, oh, he, this was just prior to his accident and the following dementia, you know. Yeah, and I'm sorry to hear about your grandfather. You know, it's one of those things to where when I hear that, it makes me believe that he did see something. You know, dementia will cause confusion. It will cause people to forget things.

One of the things it doesn't cause is people to see monsters or, you know, monkeys in the woods. And when he was telling you what they were doing, I mean, that's kind of their behavior. I do think he actually saw one. You know, what concerns me is at night when you're leaving how they are coming up close to the home, or it sounds like they are, you know, what your wife's describing coming up to the window, a bear's not going to do that.

A moose isn't going to do that. But these things will. And what's weird is a lot of encounters, you'll hear where people will say, you know, as my husband's leaving, there was a wood knock or there was a slap on the garage or, you know, some weird vocalization that they're hearing right as the husband's leaving. And to me, that's concerning. That's why he slapped the, or it, I can't say he, I don't know, I haven't seen them, but something slapped the shed.

She said hard, real hard. My wife was in here watching television. And she said she ran to the window and looked out. I just left the yard and something slapped the same. side of the building. So you're absolutely right, Wes. I think that's what's going on. When I hear that behavior, they're obviously signaling someone or something. And why are they signaling someone or something when you're leaving? A, it shows a lot of intelligence. And B, it's kind of creepy because what's a game plan now? What's going to happen now? Have you thought

about setting up game cams around your home just to see if you can get, this to stop? Yes, my neighbor crossed the road and down the hill. He's a hunter up in Maine. He's a bear hunter in the fall. He leads expeditions or whatnot. He came by last year,

and back when we thought this was bears, you know what I mean? And he walked down in the creek with me, and he says, hey, man, I got some game cameras. He says, I'll bring one over. I'll leave it on your porch. Well, he didn't.

And I guess I could follow that up. I could be like, hey, could I remind him or whatnot? I just let it go. But yeah, that's a great idea. Another thing I heard listening to your program was lights. You know, it was just last week I was working listening to your show and you were talking to another guest. And you said, the more you light up the property, you know, the less they'll come around.

You know, I wanted to tell you, West, that my wife is not frightened. She doesn't listen to Sasquatch Chronicles. She doesn't know, doesn't hear what I hear. So to her, it's a curiosity and it's very odd. Like, you know, another thing I didn't tell you, one morning I came home and our window out back in the living room is probably eight, nine feet off the ground where we have the air conditioning unit. This was early spring. She said something very large walked by the window just prior to my getting home from work.

Now, that's only three feet to the trees and bushes. You know, a moose is not going to go walking by the window. So just one more, you know, clue in this strange collection of activity. When she said something large, was she able to see like a shape? No. and that's the weird thing. It's like, well, what is that tall? You know, we were thinking moose

just because it was large enough to register in the window. You see what I'm saying? If it was a bear on all fours, it wouldn't have even, you know, it wouldn't have shown up in the window. You know, you can actually get game cams off of Amazon. I think I saw one the other day

was like 30 or 40 bucks. The cheaper, the better, by the way, because you're really not trying to get a picture of them. You're trying to get them to back away from the home. Or, you know, even the other thing that my work is, you know, like those ring cams, a lot of times you can get like a full security system from them. And it'll, you know, anytime there's any sort of movement or anything like that,

it will alert you right to your phone. It might bring you peace of mind, you know, with regard to your family being there while you're away at work at night. You know, first priority. I know there's curiosity and it's kind of, I don't know, fun's the right work. but there's a curiosity of what's going on on my property. But first order of business is really to secure that place down. And I would do it with those.

I would get like a ring cam whole security system. And when you're at work at night, if something happens, it'll alert you anytime there's movement outside. I would love to know, have an update from you. And if anything else happens, hopefully nothing else happens. I ask everyone on the show, Pete, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? What do you think that they are?

Well, that's, you know, I knew this was coming. I'm a fan and I listen. I don't have anything profound to add to that except, you know, I do think that they're a creature, they're flesh and blood animal. I believe this. I don't know, like none of us do at this point. Somebody, you know, I hear on your show all the time, you know, until we get a body, you know, until we get a body.

And I heard you say it recently on one of your old programs, I was listening, you know, I think we do have a body, you know, and that echoed my thoughts, too. I think Uncle Sam has had bodies. I feel that they've, you know, one of the shows you shared about an elderly couple in Massachusetts that saw a witness in 18-wheeler that hit a Sasquatch and the body was there on the side of the road as the state troopers came. You know, I feel like people out there do have information on this. I think it's an animal. You know, in regards to the talk of telepathy and communication.

and their skills, I wouldn't rule it out that this thing could have empathic capabilities that are perhaps more advanced than the normal average person. I don't know. I'm not going to rule it out.

You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. I don't know about these creatures. They're fascinating. And I enjoy listening to people calling your program and coming from different places. So, Wes, I guess I'll make an easy answer. I'm just one of those guys

who thinks it's an animal. You know, and beyond that, I'm unqualified. But I think I think somebody out there knows a lot more. You know what I mean? I think somebody's got some answers or at least some studying they've been doing. Yeah, somebody knows everything for sure. Hopefully one day we'll know. Be safe.

Keep your family safe. I appreciate you coming on and sharing what's going on on this property. You know, if something weird happens or if you need something, yeah, my cell phone, give me a call. Not that I have all the answers, but if I can give you advice, I'll give you advice. I would start with the cameras, though, ma'am. I would absolutely secure that place, get cameras going, and hopefully that'll get them to kind of back off, and this will kind of stop around the house. I know it's concerning for you, and I really appreciate your time, and thank you so much for coming on the show. You know, Wes, thank you very much,

and I agree, I'll get on that. And I do appreciate, you know, you're giving me a call and talking to me. It means a lot. You know what I mean? It's hard when you don't have anybody to talk to about this. You know, it's still the average person, you know, kind of laughs. And just because, yeah, right, whatever, you know, the stigma behind someone saying they believe in Sasquatch, you know. So I appreciate what you do and I appreciate you talking to me.

And absolutely, that's applicable, practical first step is to try to get some sort of game camps or something up here. Thanks again, brother. Thanks a lot, man. You're big help. I appreciate what you do. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Jeremy. Jeremy, thanks for coming on. Thank you.

I appreciate it. Yeah, and you had this encounter in Colorado. This is going back to 1984. If you would, just kind of start from the very beginning. What were you doing? And what happened? Yeah. So I was a little kid.

I was 12 at the time. we were coming back from our family holiday you know my dad always liked to go out west and we'd go camping we'd hit you know one year to go like Yellowstone another year Black Hills all these kinds of things in this particular year we went all the way to California visit a great uncle during the

there's the same time during the Olympics and then we were driving back and we had the you know I was living in Kansas City at the time and we had I don't drove one day somewhere and then hit Colorado so we were going to make get back in like two or three days. So we were, my dad decided to pull over and we found this little state campground, you know, one of these little pull off spots. There's like maybe a dozen

camping sites, you know, there's no ranger, there's no, you know, camp hosts, which typically there are. And there was like, so we pulled off there and he wanted to pull off early so we could stretch our legs because then he was going to make the Kyr-Lakian 11-hour straight-lined road from somewhere in Colorado to Kansas City, which is like murderous if you're a little kid, right? So he let us out. He's like, okay, we'll just cut it early and just play in the day and stretch our legs and his tomorrow's going to be a long one.

So it's okay. So we were there and there was a river behind it and there's like a little valley kind of right off behind it. And he backs our truck into the capping space. spot, which then opened directly into the pathway down to the river. And at the time, he had a, I don't know, some truck, the Chevy or something. And then he built out a little topper on the back, kind of like a little camper so we could store stuff and sleep in there.

So my step-sister and I, she was probably nine at the time. And we would sleep in there wherever we stopped. And then he pitched his tent. my stepmother and my father and my baby half-brother at the time they slept in a tent but they decided to pitch it about 20 yards from where we were because that was a nice grassy spot and it was nice for the tent right so we did our thing we set up camp we went down the river played in there all afternoon you know as one of the typical Colorado Rocky rivers I had you know mountains not big mountains just kind of foot hilly kind of mountains

off to the backside and, you know, pine trees, all that stuff. So we played there all day and then kind of wrapped it up for the night, went to bed. And this is a little embarrassing to say, but, you know, I was 12 and I'm guessing sometime after midnight, and I had to go to the bathroom. And I opened the door, the little to the little topper, kind of leaned out. And it was really cold. I didn't really want to go looking for a place to pee. So I decided I'll just pee right there and leaned out the door and I figured it'll be dry in the morning.

I'm a little kid. That's the logic that we have, I guess, at the time. And so I'm hanging out the door peeing and it was dark and, of course, and it was a full moon. I did remember that because the moon was behind it, just come up over the hills. It was really pretty. And I'm half of sleep. I mean, I'm just barely, my eyes are barely slanted open. and I also don't hear or feel, I don't know, a presence.

So I kind of open my eyes and I look and dead center right in front of me, right in the middle of that pathway. That was right behind the truck down to the river. I'm guessing it's probably a 50-yard pathway, maybe six feet wide, very clear, you know, nice dirt, clear pathway. Right in the middle of this pathway, I see this massive figure sitting there looking at me. And at first I didn't react really.

I just obviously I was awake and I'm trying to figure out what's going on. And I'm guessing what I'm going to tell you is probably in this minute or two max. I don't know. And I see this thing looking at me. So I'm still doing my business here. And all of a sudden, you know, I noticed there's like a head and broad shoulders, but it's like kind of hunched down, like kind of tunches. And still I was kind of thinking maybe a bear. and, you know, I've seen bears many times before.

I grew up in the country. I hunted as a kid all the time. Knew how to use firearms, of course. So I'm thinking a bear. I'm thinking, oops. Hope Dad put the cooler away. I'm thinking just logical stuff about a bear. And then all of a sudden, I'm still looking at a say,

and it's really big. And all of a sudden, I'm thinking it just doesn't look like a bear. And then this thing shifts its weight, Kind of like a, like, you know, it's just shifting its weight. And then it was like, uh-oh, and I looked and it just, I mean, I'm telling you right now, and I got goosebumps already. I'm 52 years old now, so this is 40 years ago. Every time I talk about it, it's just, it's a physical reaction.

But I'm seeing this thing. It's maybe 20 feet, 30 feet from me, maybe. I don't see any facial features because the moon is behind it, but it was very crystal clear. the silhouette this thing's huge it's not a bear it's looking at me I'm looking at it

and at that time I'm frozen solid I'm absolutely gripped with fear I've never experienced a fear like that ever I've had near death experiences

from doing stupid stuff with a kid I've wiped out on three wheeler I've done I've had accidents I mean all that stuff nothing

nothing put the fear of like that I was just frozen stiff. So I don't really know how long I was looking at it. I mean, it could have been 30 seconds maybe more. I don't know. I was frozen.

So finally, I get my wits about me. This thing's looking at me. It's just there. It's not doing anything. I didn't hear any sounds. Nothing. And I immediately closed my door. It's lock it.

It's a little door. It's an aluminum topper on the back of a pickup. That's it. And I'm laying down on the floor of this thing. you know, my little bed, you know, and my adrenaline, I'm about ready to pass out. It's going so fast. I mean, it was crazy. And I hear this thing walking around, and it's not a bear because it's bipedal.

It's crystal clear. You could hear it. Just thud, thud, just walking around. And I'm like, I'm freaking out. I don't know what to do. And after a while, I was kind of quiet. And I'm, like I said, I'm 12. I think that amount of adrenaline probably knocked me out or something.

I started drifting off a little bit. after I'm coming down off his stuff. And at that exact moment, bang, it threw a rock and hit the camper with a rock. And it wasn't a pebble. I'm talking about a rock. I mean, I'm guessing size of a man's fist. And that woke me up.

I'm freaking out again. Here comes the adrenaline again. I'm doing this whole thing again. And the same thing, I start drifting off. And then all of a sudden, I hear a rip, and then it smacks the side of the camper with a branch. And the rip was hearing it break. the branch. It didn't sound it off the ground or picked it up. It just ripped something, just

fresh off a tree or something, and smack the side of the camper. And that was basically it. I mean, I ended up going to sleep finally at some point in the night. I woke up. I was extremely bothered. I don't know the word for it. They just traumatized. It had a lasting effect on my life, because we lived in rural Missouri. And so by the time we get back to Missouri, I'm completely freaked out. And, you know, then, you know, it was summer and, you know, county fair and all that fun stuff.

So, you know, I kind of blew it off. But I started thinking about it a lot because I was still very traumatized. I kept, every time I'd see a picture. And I knew what Bigfoot was because, you know, in the library, there was a book. I was always very interested in anything to do with animals. in nature and strange things and stuff like that. So I knew what it was.

And then I had seen that movie recently of that creature from Boggy Creek or the monster where I forget the name of the exact title, but that's northern Arkansas, southern Missouri area. I'm thinking, well, that's not too far as a little kid. I would run out to like the wood pile because we heated our house with fire, you know, wood at night. We had a wood stove as a kid. And I'd run out that wood pile and there was this tree.

line that went down the property and we're like so we're five miles from the nearest neighbor i mean this is forest hills wood bluffs kind of on the outskirts of the missouri river valley and i mean i just would run out to the wood by the night as fast as i could man i'd load that sucker up my dad's like you're really efficient right thank you um so then i finally kind of got the nerve and wits about me to talk about it and i brought it up to a family that we spent time with because my little brother was very young and my stepmother time didn't trust my sister and I to babysit in those words. So we all just went there and he got looked after and we played with their kids. So one night I'm sitting around the dinner table and I kind of bring something up and by the way, this family was

extremely religious and they're like shot it down immediately like, oh, you know, the Lord and this and that and whatever. And I'm like, okay, fine. But then they said, oh, because we had an experience And what they articulated and described was exactly, exactly verbatim of, you know, the screams and the howls that you hear people talk about that they've actually witnessed. And it was a verbatim. The way they said, the way they were afraid, the way they, I'm just like, are you kidding? So I kind of show that one for a while. And this is many years later.

I mean, honestly, I just really kept this to myself for many years. And I'm talking to a buddy of mine. I can't say much about him, unfortunately, because of his job. But he serves our country, and, you know, he was very outdoorsman. You know, we grew up together, my only friend from high school. He grew up in that region. And he came from an area about an hour north where I was living at the time. And so we got together one time.

And, you know, this guy, he's an outdoorsman. He's gone to college. He's never drank, smoke. anything else, ended up having a high profile government position and all that kind of stuff. So he's very, very legit. He's a very, he's not somebody that's just going to fabricate you when he wouldn't tell a stretch of fish story for that matter. So we were talking one day and I said, hey, you know, I had this experience. I told him, you know, basically what I'm saying to you guys.

And he just kind of had a very matter of fact look on his face and kind of, hmm. And then after a minute, I'm like, what do you mean? like tell me about that like you don't seem a bit surprised i'm kind of wondering if you had information i didn't have and he's like no i had my own run-ins and he said specifically that i'm like really what do you mean where you know and i know that he's traveled and he's gone to like new mexico colorado all these places too for scout camps and all these other things no this actually happened in our north of of where we lived and and he was out in the forest with a buddy and they had found an old cabin

because there's lots of that stuff in that part of the country old cabins from like the late 1800s and stuff so he went to just check it out like most of us would at a young age he was late teen early 20s at the time and all of a sudden he sees this giant creature

hairy bipedle dive into this ruin of a cabin so they freak out they hide behind this fallen tree at log and they're peeking to see what was that? Well, this thing's peaking back at them from the ruins of this house. And they're like, that's not normal. They got very afraid.

They decided obviously it's a good time to leave. And they left. And I forget the term that I've heard on your show many times, but this thing walks them out. I mean, it was always a couple steps behind. They never saw it behind them after they left, but they could hear it. And every time they would stop,

you'd hear that. extra couple steps. It made sure they left the area. Yeah, it sounds like they got paced out. I appreciate sharing that. Kind of going back to your own encounter. I know that, you know, at the time that it happened, you didn't really speak to your father about what you had seen. But later in life, did you ever talk to him about this? I did. And actually, it wasn't too long ago. It was probably six, seven, or eight years ago. And he said, yeah, I actually remember that day. And I said, he said, I heard all the sounds, you know, the rock and the branch. And he said, I just thought you were screwing around again.

Because, you know, I'd wake up, you know, kids would stay up late and play and whatever. And I did a lot of that, you know, get up and do whatever. So he just thought it was that. And then my sister, actually, I discussed it with her, my half, or step-sister, because she was asleep with me. And she said, no, she woke up. And she actually saw me frozen out of the door. and thought I was just, you know, her weird big older brother and she rolled over and went back to sleep.

So she doesn't recall any sounds, but she saw me frozen there. But my dad verified the sounds. Let me ask you, Jeremy. I mean, what do you make of its behavior? It obviously sees you. You see it. You guys are really close to each other. And then you run back in the camper.

It breaks a branch, hits the side of the camper with it. it's throwing rocks at the camper. What do you make of that sort of behavior? So that's a good question. Look, I don't, I can't tell you how large it was. I can tell you how broad it was because he was sitting in 20, 30 feet in front of me. You know, it had to be five, six feet shoulders. I mean, easy.

Broad shoulders. But at the end of the day, I don't really know how big it was. And the reason why I say that is because it's just, it gives me the sensation that it wasn't, Well, certainly, I didn't feel in hindsight, you know, obviously we have the pleasure of the rear view mirror here. But I don't feel like I was aggressed at the end of the day. I was afraid. Obviously, I was afraid because, I mean, it just takes your brain. I honestly can't tell you how long I was frozen.

It just takes your brain a while to figure out what the hell you're looking at, what you're seeing. But what I'm trying to say is I don't feel, I feel that it was youngish. I don't know why I want to say that, but it feels like he, you know, he was young. I feel like we were just in his path and that was his area and he was making his rounds or that was his route. And I was in the way. And I happened to just be awake when he was passing through. That's honestly what I think. And he saw me there and I don't know why he harassed me.

It's kind of like he wanted me out, wanted to see me. I don't know. Because it wasn't aggressive. I've heard lots of stories where, you know, he said, you. You know, people are with good reason, very afraid. You know, this comes back. It's harassing. I mean, it kind of harassed, but it wasn't aggressive in hindsight.

Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. It might have been a warning or something like that. Obviously, if he wanted to come in that camp or he could have. I want to ask you, you know, kind of looking back, beyond the wide shoulders, what other details kind of stand out to you? You know, you see this kind of conical head. It was just big.

I couldn't see the face because the moon was behind it. That's the part I didn't get. But just the size of the thing. You know, you couldn't really, you can see the hair, kind of the silhouette of hair, shaggy, but you're not seeing like strands of hair, you know, individual, like shiny or anything because the moon was on its back. makes me think the creature was probably just a surprise to see you as you were him or it because you know the creature didn't really react it didn't do anything you guys are just

standing there looking at each other it wasn't until you went back and closed the door that the creature actually you know approached and throw a rock and hit it with the branch but i really think that creature was just a surprise to see you as you were of him I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's your take? I mean, it's not a person, and I don't think it's an ape.

It's certainly intelligent. It certainly has behaviors, patterns, families, populations. I mean, it's certainly a bipedal, something in the hominoid line of things. That's probably the best thing I can say. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And I really appreciate.

you coming on and sharing it. I know it happened to you over 40 years ago, but it's a fascinating account, especially the creature's behavior, because it didn't really, you know, it could have made a move right there when you open the door, but it didn't. And then kind of its behavior afterwards. I just really appreciate you sharing it, man. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on. Thank you, Wes. You've been, I appreciate your platform. I appreciate what you do. I appreciate how you how you ask questions and you know i think people feel comfortable talking about something it's very uncomfortable with you so thank you thanks brother and that's it for tonight everyone

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