Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:109 Campsite Encounter With Sasquatch

Episode Date: May 31, 2015

Tonight I speak with Randy Harrington, and he had one of the best close-up encounters you'll ever hear. After setting up a fake camp site to attract Bigfoot, Harrington hid in his truck. When the creatures stepped out of the woods and approached the site, it decided to check out the vehicle where Harrington was hiding with his video camera and a handgun. He said he heard and saw the creatures rummaging through stuff in the back of the truck. Randy has been studying the behavior of these creatures for many years and has put together a picture of what they do and why. I have to say a lot of what Randy theorizes about their behavior makes a lot of sense. Randy will also be giving us an update on the Falcon Project.

I was speaking down there in about, I think it was 2009, 2009 at the whole Lueviet Festival. And I told my story up on the stage, and, you know, the place is pretty crowded. They were standing in the room alone and people standing up all across the back. And there was just white-haired guy standing by the back door. And I just caught a glimpse of it because, you know, I ended up at the clock between them. But so as soon as I was done talking, you know, and we're done for that afternoon, I'm standing around just talking to people. And I'm just moving from a crowd to crowd talking to people. and I noticed this old man standing by the door.

He just kept looking in my direction, kept looking at me. So I was kind of working my way towards him. And when I got close enough, he just asked me. He just said, can I talk to you? And I said, sure. And we just kind of stepped off to the side there. And he said, I think my son killed one. And I said, excuse me?

And I said, hold on a second. And I got my buddy, D.W. I said, you might want to come stand in on this. And so D.W. he came over and I said, go ahead. He said, I think my son last, well, a couple years ago, killed one. And he said, he said, I live about, you know,

45 miles from here and he stayed at the little town. And he said, my son and his friends were approaching. He said they were spotlighting, you know, in game and just shooting them. And he said, they were down in some bottoms. And he said that they flushed a female gorilla.

And he says, it took off running from the brush. And he says they just all unloaded their guns at it as it was running. And he said, she had a young one on her back. And apparently they killed the young one, you know, by shoot-it while she was running. But they also wounded the mother, because that's the only way she would leave a dead youngsters unless she was wounded. So what happened was this happened and it just

ran down the creek and it freaked them out and they ended up moving on. They said it was a few days later, a week later, a few days later, that they were back down in those bottoms looking around. And down that creek they found this skeleton. He said it was clearly

the young one that was on her back. But the only thing that was left of it was the rib cage, the backbone, and the two legs. And it was picked pretty clean by scavengers. But it looked like the age, it looked like human bones, and it looked like it could have been the age, maybe a five or six-year-old. And he says it looks so human that they had to call the police. And they didn't want to describe that, you know,

the he shot, you know, approaching and, you know, spotlighting and shooting and what happened. So they just reported that they found these bones. And next year you know, the state police came down there and cordoned off the whole area. That's the last they heard of it. Never heard another word, huh? Funny how that works when old Johnny Rotten government gets involved. 5.4.4.332. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road.

They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracting me from my vehicle. I knew what a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in his eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking. You know, the look it was giving him. What were you putting? Jesus Christ, you better. Here?

See you. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about 60 foot nine. I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him.

Uh-oh. Sasquatch Conner, a place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. My guest tonight is Randy Harrington, and Randy actually spent many years researching this topic and probably had one of the most fascinating and scariest encounters I've ever heard. But Randy, welcome to the show. I really appreciate you being here tonight. Well, you're welcome. I appreciate it, man. A lot of work goes into that site, you know, like anything else in life. You know, a lot actually goes into that site.

And before we actually get to your encounter, Randy, I was looking on the website on Sasquil Tronicles.com. and people were submitting their questions. I was just going to ask them on the air. And I noticed you went through and answered everyone's questions. I really appreciate you doing that. Taking the time to do that, I really do appreciate it. And hopefully we can get to some of the questions that you didn't answer. One of the things that was brought up on the website,

I noticed Joyce was asking you about a particular encounter with rock stacks. We tell us about that? you know, the area that I started researching in 2003, 2004, and 2005, you know, the difference the area that it happened at. But what you got to do is you've got to go back to the beginnings of my research there. The other gentleman that I eventually met up with and researched the area with, he has since passed away. He was my friend, his name was Keith.

At the beginnings, we would put out, I mean, we would murder those things up and we would salt enough so salty because, you know, we knew that animals need minerals. And what I didn't know is there's a place on that ridge that has serious minerals that these animals come to, I think, click the rocks to get their minerals. But I didn't know this at the time. Anyways, so we put out trash bags full of popcorn. And one way that we would know it was then getting into it, and we would hang the bags up with a rope and we would hang them up about 10 foot.

And we made sure that even the antlers of the deer couldn't even reach it. We wanted to make sure that anything that was getting to these things was our target animals. But anyways, we would know that it was then when we'd come, look at one of the bait sites. And we would second say about an eight-to-a-mile circle around our campsite. We'd go and we'd look, and if the bag was down and tore open, there were times when you could see, that it was tore open by having a stick stabbed through the bag and stuck into the ground through the bag like it impaled the bag first just to make sure it was safe and then when that happened they would just tear the bag open and finish out all the popcorn but so that was a pretty

specific pattern of getting into our baits which would tell us it was that you know there are times that the bag would be tore down by a raccoon or something and not stabbed with a stick so you know we couldn't guarantee that a bigfoot did that. But there were times when you'd see a stick stack to the bag, and the bag would still be impaled by the stick. That pretty much said to us that, you know, something with a hand did that. So anyways, so that's kind of the very beginnings of that area,

resetting at that area as being a place where I would go all the time. Now, I would also put out other baits. Like, there were cliffs. There were rock cliffs down there that I kind of shoo me up, and there were a little bitty shelves that I could set food up on. You know, there were 10 or 12 feet up, you know, nothing to reach. You know, they couldn't reach it with their hand. And I put melons, you know, cantalopes, things like that.

But I would also put, and here's what I think is significant. I put pictures. I had a drawing of a big foot and a man standing side by side. And I had been laminated. I had a lot of these pictures that I would just put them out with my bait. Now, the man, I would have wearing a blue uniform with yellow letters that said fire department on it. Now, every time I went down there, I did all my research in the fall, so it was cool, cool nights and cool days, but I would always wear my blue fire department sweatshirt.

We got a very dark blue with bright yellow letters. That's not something that most people wear when they go camping. So it made me easily identify. So here I am down there all these time putting out baits that these things are taking, and I'm putting out a picture of one of them and a man standing side by side with my baits. Now, I didn't really know if that is what culminated in what I'm going to tell you about what happens later. But it may, it may have just the fact that maybe they got to know. me and knew that I wasn't there to hurt them or anything like that.

And I was the guy that would bring food. So, you know, maybe it was as simple as that. Anyways, so let's go ahead and fast forward. Several years, I've been through a few conferences down there. I'd spoken in a couple of them. You know, the NABRC was kind of took over the conferences down there at Hull Nevee, and I was a part of that organization. So we just kind of, you know, that was our big event.

every year was in October, first weekend of October down there. This one time in 2010, I wanted to get there early. I had a new camp area that I wanted to, you know, was in a valley, the logging road looked out over this deep valley with, you know, high sides, and I thought, man, what a great place to be able to listen with a recorder at night. So I wanted to camp there. So we all get there on a Monday. a Monday before, the weekend before the conference starts.

So the conference is supposed to start on Friday. We get there Monday, so that's a good four days, five days before. But we all get there a little late. I just got brandy Polaris Ranger and was excited to use it. Maybe we could load up all kinds of camping supplies on this thing. And three or four other guys showed up with ATVs. So we had my Polaris Ranger and two or three ATVs. We'd get there at 10 o'clock at night.

We actually leave our vehicles down in the little, there's a little Christ's 48, which is just a place where the conference is going to be held. And they allowed us to just keep our vehicles there. So we get there with Kentucky night. We load up all of our stuff, and we head down the road, you know, a mile or so away is the foot of these mountains. And it's logging roads that go up into these mountains. So we have this caravan of ATVs and a Polaris Ranger, and I'm in the lead. because I'm the only one that knows where we want to camp. So I don't know.

I'm just going to guess three to five miles. It was a very slow track, a slow journey because we had to go through several creeks, wet creeks, rutted trails, some of them very steep, up one side of the mountain, down in another, two creeks, and down open. So we eventually get to this place where I wanted to camp, and it was awesome.

I mean, so let's just say it's 11 o'clock when we finally get there. We got all ATVs all set up. There was a gentleman there named Roy. He's about 60s. In his 60s. He said, oh, crap. He said, I lost one of my walk-to-clock. He put his hand in his pocket.

He pulled out one of his walk-to-pockers, and in the other pocket it was empty. He was mad. He said, because I just, he said, man, he's your 30-mile, you know, whatever, Motorola's, 30-mile or 60-mile motorolas. And he paid a bunch of money for him, like $90. And he was, he was, I don't know what to say to you, Roy. We just came a long ways, and there's no way to even begin to know where. I immediately, you know, I have my headlap on, I'm talking,

I'm looking over at Dave, who is another older gentleman sitting on his ATV. And I noticed on his foot tag, not foot peg, but the floorboard, you know, that the newer ATVs have four boards on the sides. Under his foot was a piece of paper. And I said, Dave, I said, you're losing stuff too. And I just said, I said it as a joke. And I reached down, he nipped it up his foot, and I pulled out this piece of paper,

and it was actually a photograph. And I looked at it and I was like, what? I said, because I couldn't really identified. It was just a dark photograph. He took it from me, he said, what did he said, all, and he stuck his hands in his pocket. He pulled out about a lot of about 10 or 12 photographs. He said, man, he said, this code is about three years old. He said, I just pulled it out of my closet.

He said, these are old photographs. I took up my grandkids at a talent show at school. So it's only pictures that a grandparent could love to say they all looked the same from himself way back in the back of an auditorium and these kids up on a stage. So really, you couldn't even tell what these pictures were.

And short of not taking them yourself, you wouldn't even know what they were. So that's really the only conversation we had about the photographs. The next morning, Dave and Roy both took the trail all the way back to Christ's 20 acres following the route that we came in there just to see if they could spot the walk to talk

and since we didn't have a whole lot happened that night I mean we did hear a few noises and may have heard of rot being tossed or something but we didn't have enough activity to make us want to stay there a second night we went ahead and moved to another campsite and we eventually joined back up with Roy and Dave they came back up and they could not find the walkie to hockey you know, and I knew they wouldn't. I mean, it was too fast,

but the distance was too great to even know where to look. Anyways, so we moved to a completely different area for the second night, which was further up the mountain on a different road, and we camp there, almost in an hour two there. And then the third night, we moved way back to my original camp spot that I'd spent years working. You know, that's my main campsite that I was telling you about, where we should put out of our baking and stuff.

So for the next night or two, we're at that campsite. I threw out this whole time, I had a new experiment that I was trying to implement, and I had purchased like 15 little solar-powered flowers that would collect solar sunlight during the day, and then they would glow all night long, just in the little flowers. It was just kind of a neat idea. So I found a spot on the mountain that, I could walk up off of a logging road up until there was this clearing, and I set up some chimes,

some wind chimes that had glowing, you know, lights that, LED lights that would fluctuate, you know, different color blue, red, green, and they were solar power also. So I had all of these light, LED light things in this clearing up on top of this mountain, but I had two or three game cams in the woods watching these flowers, because I just thought, you know, want to, you know, the flowers, the lights are not bright. You know, maybe these animals think they're interesting and will come up at least look at them. So, but what I did was I kept bringing people back up there, especially at night because it looks so cool to see these glowing flowers up on, you know, stuck all over this little open,

open field area on top of the mountain. I kept bringing people up there, and because we looked at them, and could just thought it was neat. On a Thursday night, four days after, you know, we first, you know, we first, you know, we first arrived there. It was on Thursday. And Tom Powell shows up. This first time I ever met Tom Powell, because he was going to speak at the conference.

And I think my call was there, my call's wife, Dulcy, and they're from the Texler group down in Texas. We were at camp, and it was, it was dark on Thursday night. I was like, guys want to go see those flowers? I said, man, you got to see these flasters. Man, they are so cool.

And so we voted up Tom Powell. somebody else I think his name was Marvin and then there's that's three other people and there may have been somebody else but it was just us and so we leave the campsite

getting down the logging road going down through a wet creek and up another way and all of a sudden and I'm going up the mountain I can see in the distance I see this little pile of rocks sitting right in the middle of the trail

as I'm heading up the hill and I was just on that trail just a couple of hours. hours earlier. And so I told the guys, I was like, I was like, I said, that was not there earlier. And so we went up to it, and it was three sacks or rocks high, and there was a white plastic bag, just a small white plastic bag being held down by the top rock. And apparently it was an alco bag.

And alco is just a little discount store that's there in Palahina, which is 15 miles from there. So it's an old ratty plastic alco bag on the top being held down by rock. So I get out, and it had like to my Polaris, and I walk over to it. And at that point, I'm just thinking, somebody's jacking with us. And we were just laughing. I was like, man, I said, if somebody thinks this is funny, I said, that is to the film. So we just laughed. And I said, maybe, you know, I think Mike Hall said, maybe Bigfoot things, you should clean up your, you know, clean up some trash.

So we just kind of made it as a joke. I took the top rock off. I tossed it over to the side. You got to admit, at this time, it just, I mean, it was just too surreal to be real at that point. It was just too hard. And I looked at it. I looked into the bag and I see at the bottom, it just looks like there was a receipt at the bottom. So I just closed it up. And I was like, all right. So I made a big display. I waved the bag over

my hand in case there was a big foot watch. And I was like, all right, all right. I understand we're trashy and people throw away too much trash. I'll pick up the trash and I walk. And I made a big deal out of it waving it around and I walked back to the Kilaras Ranger. And I shoved that little baggy under the seat. And I walked back and I just kicked the rocks to drive on. And we just laughed about it. We just or somebody jacking with this, you know, and thought it was funny. So we go on up to the top of that mountain, go up and see the flowers that I had set up, and everybody thought it was cool and neat and all that, and then we come back down. And then we came back down, I said, you guys want to go on down the mountain this way,

and then come in around at the base of the mountain to the campsite, and you guys want to go back the way we came. And they're like, well, let's just go on this other way. it's pretty significant because that I cast that because whoever said, let's just go on, you know, the way we haven't been yet because that's where we found the second rock cart. Anyways, so we start heading down the mountain the other way and I'm circling around and as I come around this bend,

there right near the little road is another rock cart. And now at this point, you know, while I just, there's somebody going along the road. Somebody must have shut up early for the conference. and they've been up on this road and they're just, you know, they're just stocking rocks up and, you know, think they're being funny, or, you know, or maybe they were doing it to a track to be, but I didn't know at this point. So this time, if I, to me, it just was like a stack of three, three piles of rocks. I just, Mike Hall got out to just kind of kick it off his side. But what he did was he just trying to disaffling it from the top down, to get the top one off, and then there was a second rock that he took off.

Once he took it off, there was a little piece of wood, a little old piece of wood. The base had three rocks with the cavity in the middle, and it had a little piece of wood sitting over the top of that cavity. You've got to know that it had rained for a couple of days since that Monday. So for some reason, the bag was protecting something, and now this little car was set up in a way. something. Well, anyway, so Mike removed that piece of wood, which revealed the cavity between the tree stone at the bottom. He goes, wow, he said, look at this. And I saw him reach his hand down in there. At that time, I still didn't know what he was doing. And then he pulls out of Waukee Tocky. And I said, oh, no. And I was the only one in the Polaris Ranger that knew that we had

lost to Wax Tockey going in four days earlier. Everyone else there was like, what? What do you get excited about? They didn't know what was going on. I said, oh, my God. You, I'm not going to believe this. I said, no way. No way. They carried out of the back.

My neck started raising up. I said, you guys, I said, we lost to walk to hockey on Monday night coming in here. And they all looked at me. And I was like, we got to go back to camp and see if that's, see if that's the Roy's walk to hockey. And they're like, yeah, yeah, you're right. We do, we do. So he hopped in, he had the walk to talk me. And I flew back to camp.

And when I got to camp, I said, Roy, I said, Roy, I said, before I. tell you what happened. I said, where's your other walkie to talkie? I said, is this your walkie talking about his other one? They put him side by side and looked at it and he said, yeah, yep, that's not what's not? He said, would you get it? And then I told him, I said, you are not good. I said, no way. And of course, everybody was super excited about it and we all went back up there and looked at it and couldn't believe it.

You know, this rock car no way and no way. So the next morning, well, we did some crazy things that night. We ended up taping open several walked to poppies and then driving up on roads and pretending to lose them. And we didn't even taped open and then we'd run back to camp and monitor those channels to see if something was picking them up. But nothing happened with that experiment. But the next morning, I mean, it was still the talk of the town to walkie-tocke

incident, the walk-tock incident. So it was the first day of the conference and we're talking about it. We're telling people about, you know, we're not going to believe what happened yesterday. And, you know, the thing was missing four days. and it never even crossed my mind to look in that bag from the first rock car until I was talking to somebody and I said the first rock car

might have been something significant and I went out to my Polaris Ranger and I dug under the seat I found that alco bag opened it up and that piece of paper at the bottom of the alco bag that I thought was a receipt I flipped it over

and it was a photograph it was one of them dark little photographs You couldn't tell what it was. It was just a body touring picture. And I ran, I found Dave, and I said, Dave, oh, my God, you're not going to believe this. And I showed him the picture, and he said, yeah, because that's one of my photographs. I said, that's what was in that first rock car. And these rock cars were a quarter mile apart from each other.

Different walking roads. You know, that's amazing. You hear things like that. For some reason, it doesn't shock me when you hear things like that. So those things must have been watching you guys, followed you guys in the whole time, and you guys probably were completely unaware that they were following you in. Believe me, we talk about this so many different ways. There's not even a snowball's chance in hell that we lost those two items in the same spot.

There's no way. There's no way on a five-mile slow trek through the woods that you would lose two items at exactly the same spot. So that tells me they followed us from the beginning all the way until we got to our campsite. You found a picture in one area like it was protected, and then you found your Waki-Toki in another area, and it was protected. Right. It makes you wonder, I mean, they must have followed you guys all the way up when you guys were looking at the solar flowers and then cut ahead of you guys? I mean, I don't even how to explain it. cut ahead of you guys and then drop the

walkie-talkie off on the other side of the trail on the completely separate trail? I don't think they did it ahead of me. It's just that where those two items were found was on the exact trail that we took. Even though these trails intersect with each other

and if I was to go along on one trail and then I hit an intersection, sometimes I could either go straight or I could turn depending on which different areas of the mountain I wanted to go to. But both of these cars were found, on our original route to our first campsite. I got you.

So they were put in different spots. Maybe that's where we lost each island. I don't know. Maybe they put them there because I kept going back up to the top of that mountain to show everybody there's glowing the dark flowers. So it could be multiple reasons. I don't know. But coincidentally, it was on the original route to our first campsite.

So I can't know which is the significant factor that put them cons in that particular spot. Yeah. Well, let's do this. I want to get to, there's a lot of questions in here, and I have some of my own questions. But I want to, if you would, we jump to the encounter of the one in the campsite. I know you've told it a million times. I know you're sick of it. Would you mind telling that encounter?

And then what I'd like to do is get. to some of these questions, and then I have some of my own questions about the topic that get your take on. Okay. My friend who I had been researching with in the Kamiichi Mountains, here was the Chickasaw National Park just south of Sipharoki-Pol. And we had a lot of discussions about his area, even before I got there, because we were researching together, and we were friends, you know, when I met him there in the Kamiichi area.

So I knew a lot about the park because he'd filled me in on all of his research there. And there was actually other researchers there that were researching the park. There was a gentleman named Dr. Charles Hallmark. You could even look up his name. I mean, he was always trying to get fingerprints by his baiting techniques there. And he was baiting trash cans in the winter months and closed off portions of the park. So I actually got online and I read some. reports, you know, from that area,

one report that stuck out in my head was somebody went to an adjacent town and to see a movie one night while they're camping. And on their way back, you know, maybe it was around midnight or so, actually in a movie one evening, they come back into their campsite and something ran from their campsite and then the headlights their vehicle. So when I read that, that's how I formulated the plan of what I wanted to do. when I went there, I thought, well, if that night one of these creatures came in and was examining somebody's campsite while they were gone, then I just need to make them think that

I'm gone from that campsite. And that was really the basis of my plan. Actually, my friend Keith and I were in the kind of Meachan Mountains at the time, and I took him home and dropped him off. He actually lived in Paul's Valley, which is 15 miles. north of sulfur. So I dropped him off at home and then went to the Chippewsaw National Park. And he told me what campsite to go to. He and his wife was going to join me

the following evening. And I was just going to spend the first night there by myself. So when I get there, you know, I'm thinking it's, you know, 5.36, 6 o'clock, something like it. It wasn't dark yet.

You know, it might have been getting close. So I first pull in And the first thing I notice is places empty. I mean, there's like 130 campsites in this particular stretch of a campground. It's all along Rock Creek, just north of Veterans Lake. I noticed right off the bat that there's nobody there, not even a camp host. And it's the off-season. So I clean, it's a one-way street or a one-way lane, you know, warming, you know, warming.

its way through all these campsites along Rock Creek. And so I'm working my way along Rock Creek if I get to Campside 30. You can only pull in and park one way because it's a one way. So I'm parked alongside this Campsite 30 with the rear of my truck pointed towards Rock Creek. And I get out and I set up my campsite. I set up my tent, set up a table full of food, and I put out for millions and some other a base on a statement. And I get in my truck and I go into town to get me something to eat.

And I give me some fast food somewhere. When I come back to camp, I'm thinking it's about 7, 7.7.30, which is even closer to being dark. So it's starting to get dark. Because it was February. It was like February 3rd or something like that. So, yeah, I mean, you know, it gets dark pretty early. So I'm back. It's like 7.7.30.

I stopped at the front part of the park. I said, I already know I'm the only one there. I don't have to worry about anybody else being here. So I go ahead in the very front of the park, I take blankets up to the inside of the windows of my truck. And my plan was, you know, up to this point I had done a lot of research in the kind of bachies and live. I've done a lot of time in my truck and, you know, the way I did not do night camping. And I just, you know, with parabolic, when I listen to these things, you know, to know they're stealthy,

and I can only imagine what they do when they're creeping through the woods coming up on your campsite. And I'm just assuming that whatever they're doing is they're just paying lots of attention and they're looking for any fines of anything that they need to be worried about. That's just their nature.

So I thought, well, if I had one standing 100 yards into the woods looking at my campsite, I can't have him be able to see through the windows of my campsite. my truck. I have a crew cab diesel truck, so I can't have something being able to look through the truck

and see me moving inside. So that was my reason for hanging blankets up on the insides of the truck. I just wanted to not be able to see them through my windows. But I had the blanket set up to where I could park the blankets right over my steering wheel, and of course

at the corners where I could just pull the drapes back, if you will, and then just look into the mirror in the side of my truck, or look outside window. So I'm, I drive in my campsite. I had a parabolic microphone on the top of my truck. And I've got a recorder. I, I, this, this is kind of at the beginning of my research.

So I really didn't have good equipment. I did have a good parabolic, but my recorder was a crappy, it wasn't digital. It was where you actually had the little bitty micro cassette tapes, like 15-minute tapes. Yeah, I remember those. The crappiest, cheapest recorder you could have. But I didn't know any better. I mean, I'm just, you know, I'm just enjoying my own research at that point. I really wasn't time to do anything that would convince anybody else that these things are out there.

So anyway, so I pulled into my campsite. I've already got my parabolic set up with the cord running down through the driver's side door so I could just put the headset on. I never even opened up my door. As a fact, I kept a big key jar, a night trap whenever I'm doing this, so that I never even have to open up the door to the bathroom. It's very important to me. Once I commit to not make you a noise or not being seen or heard, I mean, that's what I got to do.

So paying in a jug is one of the things you've got to do so you never reveal that you're there. Anyway, so I'm sitting there. I got plenty, you know, kick back. Now, the truck is full of supplies. The back of my truck has all my camping supplies in the Tupperware containers, a generator, propane, you know, little green propane tanks are all in the back of my truck. The cab of my truck had ice chests and food products and things like that. So really, I like to do, and the two front seats are bucket seats.

So I pretty much locked into my driver's seat with other stuff in the seat. So I just had my seat in the back, with my headset on, And I'm listening. I'm sitting there in the dark, and I eat my food. And by the time I'm done with my food, and I'm sitting there for a while, it must be 10 o'clock or so. And anybody who uses a parabolic knows, there's just a beautiful cadence of night time of woodsy sounds

that you can really, it can really roll you to sleep when you're listening to the woods. I mean, whatever sounds you hear, the wind blowing, the creeks with a water, and other insects, even though I wasn't hearing any insects at all, it's just February, I didn't have to worry about any insects sound. And that was also what's great about doing wintertime research, you know, for me too, is not having to reach all those types of sounds. But still, I mean, I'm listening, and I got my little recorder there, and I think it's like 10 o'clock.

At some point, somewhere around 10 o'clock, 1030s at night. that. And I hear my first noise that completely breaks free from the noise that I had been listening to ever since I settled in it at that spot. And that is something walking through dead leaves. I mean, and you know what that sounds like if you've heard those nights. So I'm sitting with my headset on it. And I've got to turn up really loud. I mean, with that paraphrallic, I mean, I know you can hear a nap fart with three other yards. So, so I was really, is hearing things crisp and clean. So I hear something walking.

It's crunching through the leaves. It's just as clear as day. And I'm really working myself up and paying attention because this is the first time something's happening. I've been there for a couple of two or three hours, and so I was really excited. So I'm listening, and it didn't take long for me to hear as it's moving.

All I can really do is try to put a picture in my mind of what I'm hearing because I don't see anything. And I'm not, a matter of fact, I'm not even looking. So I know that it's at some distance away from my truck at that point. So I'm not even worried about peeking out of the curtains at this point. So I'm just listening to it. And I'm hearing this thing walking around.

Remember, this is a big park, 130 campsites. And the trash cans that they had at the time were just the metal, regularly metal trash cans with the round lids on the top. And that, I mean, that's something that's by a hardware store. And then they had, sometimes they had the cables connecting the lid to the, whatever this thing was going through the park. And occasionally I would hear one of those trash can lids pop off. And then, I've been to that park a hundred times since then. There's so many different times.

And there's been times that I've heard those trash can lids get knocked off by raccoons. and I would hear them hit the ground. Sometimes they would roll, sometimes they would just hit the ground, but I would never hear them being put back on. Now, a lot of the trash games had cinder blocks that was waving the lid's down. So some of them did, some of them didn't,

and I know the difference between hearing a raccoon knock a lid off that does not get put back on, and then hearing this night, hearing the lids being put back on. In conjunction with... Now, also, it didn't take long, before I was hearing, to me, a pretty distinct sound which being drugged through gravel. Now, each one of these campsites have gravel pathways that connect each campsite

and gravel pathways that walk to the restrooms. There's at least two or three restrooms in this park. The doors just push open into these restrooms, and so they're in close proximity to, you know, wherever you're camping. So I'm hearing whatever to walk into the park that's got, it clearly has a stick because it's dragging it through the gravel

when it crosses gravel. But then when it goes back into leaves, I hear his footsteps crunch into the leaves. I don't hear the stick being drove to gravel anymore, so I pretty much have a clear picture in my head of what's happening even though I haven't seen it yet. And then at some point,

I can't tell you, deep into hearing him moving through the park at some point I hear my first where the stick hits metal. And I can only, you know, I didn't see it. I can only imagine that it's the metal lantern posts that are at each campsite. And the reason I say that is because I hear the next post be hit in about 15 or 20 seconds. and walking dragging sticks, walking in the leaves, more dragging sticks, and then another, ding, you know, at about 15 or 20 seconds, which puts the cadence of this thing tapping the post as he's walking by them at each campsite.

So the cadence is very important as putting the picture together what I'm seeing in my head. This thing is meandering through the park, looking in trash cans, dragging a stick, tapping a metal post. And so, and what's interesting is, before this night is over with, I eventually feed two creatures, a very large male and a small one. The small one appears to be about my height. I'm going to say five and a half foot, maybe five foot, five and a half foot, something like that. But that is small compared to the big one. But I've got to clear it up now. after a couple of years of talking about this and talking to people about behaviors and things that we know,

I really think now that the one that I was hearing initially going through the park was the little one. I really think that it's a young male and it was going to the park. Maybe it knew that it's the off-season and it really didn't expect to have anybody in their camping. So I think he was just kind of meandering through the park without a care in the world.

He didn't care how much noise he was making. I mean, it's really surreal for me to know, especially all the research that I've done before and since and not had something like this happened again. So I know I caught them at a time when he really just didn't expect anybody to be there. His behavior reflected that. Anyways, at some point, I hear this creature stop. After all of that movement through the park going,

Trash can and trash can't, hear him stop. And I'm paying attention. I hear this thing after a few seconds of silence. I hear it take a couple of steps and then stop again. And then another five, six silence. And to me, I'm thinking I've got a pretty clear, accurate picture of what I'm seeing at this point. It tells me that he sees us and that he's moving. And at least in my mind, that's what I'm thinking.

I'm like, okay, it's a thing. reason he is coming up on my camps. And that was when I started looking out my curtains, blankets, trying to see if I could see any movement. And I mean, I was just, I was just partying the blankets. I wasn't open them up, making a lot of movement. I was just cracking it so that I could peek out. I mean, I was trying hard to just, you know, remain motionless.

I didn't want my truck jiggering. I didn't want nothing to know that I was in my truck. I'm just trying to see if I could see any movement. Throughout this whole period, I'm flipping micro-cissette because that stupid recorder would not shut off when it reached the end of a cassette. It would just stay on. And so I get to where I'm flipping cassette thinking, I don't know if it's ended or not, and I didn't want to turn on any light, so I'm just flipping cassettes. Anyways, that ended up jacking me up with what I thought I recorded that night. But anyways, so I'm doing all this at the same time, and I'm kicking out my windows.

I'm looking in my side mirror because I'm thinking I don't know why I thought the rear of my truck would be where it would come in but that is where he came in but I don't know why I thought that would be where he would come in

who knows why but I do know that my parabolic was sitting on my truck pointing towards the rear of my truck even though I did not have a dish on it it was just laying without a dish that where I could hear 360 degrees around me

But it would still pick up significantly more where it was pointed at. So it was pointing towards the rear of my truck, which is pointed right at Rock Creek. I'm going to assume there's about, I don't know, 100 to 125 feet from the edge of Rock Creek. Rock Creek is about the width of a two-lane road, and it varies in depth or anywhere from a foot deep to a three-foot deep. That's the rock bottom creek. And it was right behind my truck. Now, there was a road going between my campsite and some other campsites with trees that, you know, were on sides of the road. And I think it was on this road, and it actually dropped down two or three feet.

And it was where I saw, when I first saw the shadow of, I'm assuming it was the young one. I'm looking in my side mirror, and I saw some shadow. weak movement in that little stretch of wood behind my truck. And so I'm kind of zeroed in on that point, looking in my side there and just watching that point. Because that's where I saw movement. Sure enough, there was a tree there that I saw him place his hands on the left side of that tree into my campsite.

And it kicked his hands on the tree as he looked into the campsite and then got back behind the tree. and that's the first moment I actually saw him and it looked like it could be human it looked like he had upper body round head it looked like he had upper body round the tree and ducking back in behind the tree

that's when I was really starting to get excited at that point I knew where he was he was right behind my truck you know maybe 30, 40 feet you know in the wood line behind my truck and then a tree. It could have been the tree that he was hiding behind. But this is the first and only time I heard a wood knock. And it was loud. How?

Hit the tree. And immediately, I mean, it wasn't just a second actually that tree got hit. I heard somebody in sloshing across rock creek. Slosh, slosh, slosh, slosh. And the banks of that creek are, you know, 10 foot. It's 10-foot vertical, not vertical, but 10-foot-seep banks, you know. And so whatever crossed this creek comes up the side of that bank and joined him, and I didn't see it join him. I just know that at some point to eventually come out of the woods,

so I know he was joined. When I see, it wasn't very long after this that I heard my first vocals. Now, what's interesting, a while later, I actually had a conversation with Charles Hallmark discussing with him about what had happened that night with me. And that's when he filled me in that he had been baiting the Bigfoot's in that part in the offseason in those trash cans back there. He hadn't done it for two years. Two years ago was the last time he had baited him, and he was.

getting fingerprints on some of his cups and stuff, that he was baiting inside those trash can. I thought that was significant because it showed me that they were still going through the park looking into those trash cans, probably for the baits that he had been setting up. Anyway,

he also told me something that I did not tell him. And the thing is, the vocalization that I heard, I don't know which one did it, I'm sure it was probably the big one, but it started hooting like an owl. They went, had a little bit of a wobble at the end. And I recorded, and I've got those recordings. You can actually, if you listen to, I think a YouTube link that somebody posted on your Sasquatch Chronicles page,

you know, to rock selling a story to somebody else. They got the recordings that I made that night, including. Dr. Hallmark told me, before I even told them about the vocalizations that they were doing, And he says, he said, there's at least four different groups that, of Bigfoot's clan that come through that park. He said, one of them, there's one clan over by Guy Sandy Creek. He said, they've got different calls. He said, each group has their own specific calls. And he said, the ones over at Guy Sandy do whoops, like whee?

He said, but the ones that at the Park, Rock Creek Park, he said, they hoot like owls. And when he said that, I was, you know, it just verified to me. He's already been researching here for years, and so those are things that he found out eventually, and that's what happened to me that night. It was hooting like an owl like you wouldn't believe. It was loud, it was crisp, and it was right behind my truck, and he did it about every five or six seconds for three minutes. I mean, there was like 17 of these hoots with the warbles at the end, and I've taken these recordings, and Steve Coles, you know, took them, put them on Inspector Grams and tried to listen to them,

and, you know, it showed that they got louder and louder each time. I told him, I said, I said, it sounded like he was moving while he was hoonerant, because it kept getting louder and louder until the last one was really loud. You know, I don't think the thing was moving, but I think it was getting louder and louder each time. I think that may have been his way of testing the campsite to see if he could cause anything inside the tent to stir. That may have been their pattern of how they would, you know, try to figure out if a campsite is empty or not.

You know, you do that long enough just outside a camp and you might make somebody move in the tent and then they can know somebody's there and then they can move on. Well, I didn't move and there was nobody in my tent. So when he did that 17 times, I think that's the moment he convinced himself that the campsite was empty. and that's when they broke three from the tree on it. And I'm watching the spot because it's the exact same spot where the young one hit the tree, where he stepped out from around the tree, and I saw him, so that's the spot.

I'm watching it, and that's where they came out of the woods at. This big one, he was stooped over, and his arms were swinging. The little one was to his right, just to the rear, right at his flank, and they were kind of jostling for position, bumping into each other, running, you know, kind of quickly getting to the back corner of my truck, he immediately, I'm thinking that he was bent over. His hands looked like they were only about a foot and a half from the ground as they were swinging.

He could have very easily went into four by four mode and took off if he needed to. I feel like he kind of had himself positioned that he, you know, if he needed to, that he's already ready, close to the ground, ready to go. But when it got to the back corner of my truck, that's when the little one well that's when he stood up straight and up to that point I just

I didn't have a really good size or two or a big one in the little one but when he got to the back corner of my truck and he was next to my truck and I saw this whole height he stood up straight put his left

he had his left hand on the post on the back of my ladder racks I saw him put his hand on it and squeezed the bar and then I saw his right hand on the crossbar up to the upper top corner of the back, which is a cross-team that stepped around the truck. Now, you've got to understand, there were multiple, multiple things that I was having to take care of what was happening. I was trying to pay attention, but I was also

pretty afraid. I mean, I was pretty terrified at that point because to me, it looked like he was about to come down the driver's side of the door, or the driver's side of the truck. That may have been the most panicked because my doors weren't locked. And I'm looking out my window, and I'm thinking, he's going to come down and smash his face up against my window to look in my truck. Just a really quick thought of that happening, really, I mean, I'm terrified if I could quite a bit. I bet. I bet.

And my heart, I was really, I had the adrenaline pumping at that point. I actually let my blankets close, and he was right there by my truck. I let my blankets close. I didn't close him forcefully. I just kind of let them fall closed because I needed it to look natural. I did not want him to know I was in my truck. And I rolled off to my side, and I remember kind of almost, you know, kind of scrunching up. up in a, you know, in a sitting beetle.

This thing is massive. I mean, he could kill me. And I remember my heart was beating so loud and hard that it sounded like I just ran, you know, a hundred yards sprint, you know, and my chest was, I mean, it was pumping. And I remember thinking to myself, and I'm having to think all of this within just a matter of seconds, I'm thinking, oh, my God, he's touching my truck. and I am thumping. My chest is thumping,

and I thought that he could probably feel my heartbeat too touching the metal of my truck, and I worried me. So I pulled my back off the seat of my truck and was just sitting with just my butt touching the seat because I didn't want him, I just didn't want him to know I was in my truck. I was convinced that he did not know I was in my truck.

He put himself in a position that immediately placed, to truck between him and the point where he would expect somebody to be, and that is, in the tent. That tells me that, you know, he didn't have any telepathy, he didn't have any paranormal abilities, he didn't

mind speak with me, and he didn't know I was there, and I would think that if he had any of those abilities, he should have known I was there. So the tent was his, that was his point of where somebody had you abyss. And with all of his experience with cancer, he would be correct, that it would be a tent. And they probably have plenty of warning when somebody's sleeping bags,

when they try to get out of a sleeping bag and they put on some pans and you hear zippers and you hear, you know, whatever going on. They probably have plenty of time to get out of Dodge, you know, if somebody's in a tent that's about to come out of the tent. So anyway, but I had a table full of food between my truck and a tent. And they never, they never stepped out to that table full of food. But what they did do, they little and moved in behind. my tailgate.

You know, this happened right at the same time at the big one that I thought was coming down the side, the little one moved behind my tailgate

and then I let the blankets close and rolled off to the side and all of that happened. And I'm thinking he's coming down the side. But it wasn't just a second

later that the whole ass end of my truck squatted. I mean, it squatted down to where, I mean,

it felt like the bed hit the tires. I mean, that kind of weight. This thing, was on the back bumper of my truck. My truck was brand new. So it was stiff.

I mean, it's a three-quarter tonne, diesel. I mean, it was very stiff. And when it sunk, as much as it sunk, I went into my second panic mode because I'm thinking, oh, my God, he's in the bed of my truck. I'm thinking this thing is in the bed of my truck, and I still don't want them to know I'm there.

My plan was to have them go to the front of my truck, I was just going to get my headlights and film them through my windshield. So as far as it was, I'm still trying to maintain my plan, which was not to reveal my presence, but I'm still panicking because I'm like the thing is in the back of my truck. Now, I'm not looking. All I'm doing is feeling what's happening to my truck. So I'm thinking he's in the bed of my truck. And I remember reaching and grabbing the key, which was in the ignition, and thinking to myself.

And I was on the verge of thinking, I'm going to need to start my car. my truck up because if he thinks that he's going to climb on the top of my truck, there's no way it's going to be able to handle it. It is going to crush in. And so I was trying to pay attention if it sounded like to me that he was going to get on top of my cab, I was going to start my truck up and take off with him in the back of my truck. And I'm trying to come up with all of these different scenarios within just a matter of seconds as things are unfolding as what they're happening.

But fortunately for me, at the moment I'm touching the ignition, thinking that that may be an option I'm going to have to do, I hear him rummaging around items in the back of my truck. As crazy as this sounds, I had a moment of relief because at that, you know, I went from thinking he's about to climb on the top of my truck and what am I going to do I'm going to take off to at least I knew what he was doing. And as long as I could hear him back there, rummaging through the back of my truck, at least I knew where he was and what he was doing.

So I had just a slight bit of relief at that moment while I'm listening. He's just knocking stuff around. I've got big toilet containers, you know, full of, you know, sleeping bags and, you know, whatever. What are the kettings supplies I had was all in the back of my truck? And he's just knocking stuff around. I had a generator back there and I found out the next. day that he turned completely over. So I can imagine

something the size of this thing probably just flipped. I can imagine him just flicking it and turning it over with his fingers. But need to say, I know it wasn't a raccoon that turns a generate goal. And then at some point, I had two

green propane tanks sitting in the back corner next to the tailgate. And while he's rummaging through and knocking these containers around, they accidentally knock the two little green tanks together and they go

ding, they stops. I hear everything stop. And then I hear ding, ding, ting. And it's clear that he is knocking those two tanks together and enjoying the sound

that it's making. The two propane tanks? Yeah, yeah, two propane tanks. And I recorded it too. I hadn't recorded. and just tapping them together. Just tain, tain, tain. It's like he's playing with them. You know, it could have been the little one. It might have been the little one.

If the little one was behind the tailgate, the little one could have just reached right over there to where they're at. But in my head, I'm just thinking it's the big one because I just don't know. Well, anyways, and so eventually the noise quiets down, and I don't hear anything else. But you've got to understand.

My plan was, I thought, at some point, no matter what I had to sit through, at some point they would end up in the front of my truck, either walking away or walking on the road or whatever, and I would be able to just light them up with my headlights and just film them through the windshield. That was my plan. So no matter what happened, I was sticking with my plane, and I wasn't about to reveal that I was in there. Of course, in hindsight, if I knew that they were walking away, would I first checking out with my camera? You know, all of these things.

It's still a scary prospect. We have something that size with a young one with it. She didn't even think about doing those kind of things. But still, I thought I had a solid pain. And so, you know, I'm waiting and I'm waiting. I don't know where they're at. I think they're still around. I keep looking out the window towards my front

because that's where I wanted them to go up in it so I can light them up. But they never went that way. So I can't know where they went after that. I just know that it wasn't long after that. I heard metal being hit again. And it sounded to me just like the stick that was hitting the lantern post. When the initial approach, when he was hitting the lantern post, that's what it sounded like to me.

I heard the metal being hit again. And so I just assumed that's what it was. Needless to say, I ended up sitting in my truck until daylight. I did have something come back to my camp about an hour and a half. asked after that by about three or four in the morning. I'm sitting there still listening. I hear something coming. I don't know what it is.

It sounded like there was a young woman throwing a hissie fit. About every 15, 20 seconds, I would hear just this God-office scream. But it kept getting closer and closer. At some point, something ended up over at my table and was eating in the food. And I could not look at it. And this is where you're going to want to shoot me because of what happened the first time, and I missed and they never did move to the farm out of my truck. I was saying to myself, I'm going to get them this time.

This is different. I said, I felt like it was a female and a youngster. I felt like the youngster didn't want to come up there. But the female was bringing the youngster, and every 15 to 20, every 50 feet it would get closer, it would just get out of screen and mom was still tracking it. That's what I was thinking in my entity. I didn't see anything. But the evidence at the table the next day would suggest that.

And I was sitting there listening, and I still thought, even whatever was there eating the food could easily go to the front of my truck and walk away in that direction, and I could film them. And so, you know, unfortunately for me, I was sticking with my plan. But I heard whatever was eating the melon pieces was eating it the exact same way you and I would eat a peach. and you and I take a bite of a peach we make a sucking sound when you bites just because of the juice

it's so juicy that you'll bite and suck at the same time. Whatever was biting that fruit was biting it the same way. I could hear it sucking as it was biting. So of course I'm excited thinking all right, I mean the first time it was a male and a young male that was

here, I'm thinking this is a female and an even smaller one. At least that's what I had in my mind. And eventually they left too. Now, since I had two visitors that night, I thought, well, maybe something will come back. You know, I wasn't ready to give up my position at that point. I still hadn't got what I came for, which was a video, and I just thought, I'll come back.

Something will come back, and I'll get it in front of my truck. You know, needless to say, six o'clock rolled around and seven o'clock rolled around, and the sunlight started coming through the woods. and the moment the wood started getting lit up by morning and sunlight, I jump out. And I'm not scared anymore. It's light out. You know,

you're a lot braver when there's some light out. And if I get out, man, I start looking around and I look at the back of my truck and I see scuff marks, dirty, dirty scuff marks on my bumper, you know,

on each side, which pretty much paints the picture. It's up to me that that's where this thing was. standing. It brought the dust from the ground to my bumper. And the size of this big one tells me that if he was standing on my bumper, then that crossbeam, which is seven foot high from the ground, if he was stepping up on my bumper, the crossbeam would then probably be at his pelvis.

So I'm thinking he could have easily just leaned over or bent over that back crossbeam and rummaged through when I thought he was in the bed in my truck. It was clear now that he was only on my bumper. I was looking for hairs. I was looking for fingerprints on my bars. I was looking, you know, where I saw him grab the bars, and I was looking for everything. All I really saw was dusty, dusty smears,

where, you know, he either had dust on his hands, dust on his feet, and there was dusty smears. I was still early enough in my game where I wasn't too into fingerprints or didn't even know how you could get fingerprints or anything like that. I was just excited and just looking around. I went over to the table full of food. Well, no, I looked in the back of my truck.

I saw the generator was turned over and all these other things you messed around. And I looked and I saw that my two green protein tanks were gone. So I realized that the second stretch of metal sounds that I heard as they were leaving wasn't hitting up the damning post of the clanking of those two tanks. I could only imagine that little one with him in his hands and they were walking away and him kind of them together. that really is the only sense that I can make of the fact that they're gone, and I was hearing metal being clanked as they left.

They clearly took those, but I can't be certain that's the sound I was hearing that was being clanked. So I went over to the table full of food, and I'm looking at it, and I can see the melon pieces. What I had bought was a container full of melon chunks. I just had it opened up and just set out on the table, and there were some laying out on the table, and some had bite marks, out of them and clearly looked like half circles, you know, where a human had bitten out of them. And I took pictures of them somewhere.

I've got them somewhere where you can see the body marks out of these melon pieces. Now, what's interesting is there was a little dirty handprints on the side of my table, and an apple had been rolled over to the edge of the table where those fingerprints were, and something had put teeth marks all the way around that. apple that never took a bite out of it. It was just teeth marks, into the apple all the way around. And so in my mind, all I could think was, let's just say that there's a female Bigfoot there eating those melon pieces.

She rolls an apple to the edge of the table, so this little one that's just barely as tall with the table has something to mess with it while she's tasting these melon pieces. Because that's what it looked like to me with the handprints and the way that that apple was chewed on but never bitten out of. And then the melon pieces that she obviously tasted had big bite marks out of them. So that's the extent of what happened that night. It was the evidence that was presented to me, you know, the morning. The male was clearly a neck and head taller in my ladder racks, which measured seven foot.

I measured them. I mean, if he stood right next to my truck and I saw the size difference, that gave me a size reference. So I measured from the ground to the top of my ladder racker, and they were seven foot even. So this thing was a full neck and head taller than seven foot. So I'm going to guess it's easy eight and a half foot tall. And his weight, his weight, according to how much my truck squatted when he climbed up there, I had two fat dudes climb on the back of my truck so I could gauge how far my truck would squat. And man, it hardly dropped at all with two, three hundred pound dudes on the back.

my truck. I mean, he just dropped a couple inches. And I'm telling you, when this thing got up there, it felt like those leaf springs dropped until it hit solid. I mean, it hit you not. A few years later, I had a leaf spring start to fall out from under my truck, and I went to the dealer, and I had them look at it, and it had gotten cracked, and it was rusted in the crack, which tells me it had been broke for a long time. and it was starting to come out and actually hit the tire so I had to have it replaced and I asked

him to say check the other side and they checked the other side he said yeah the other side is broke too in the same spot it's those extra springs that you know when the bed gets crushed down too far it's those ones that take the extra weight both of those were broke on both sides Jesus the weight limit on the on the bumper says a 500 pound tongue weight for any traders that use is the limit so I was I was always guesstimating the weight of this thing of at least six to eight hundred pounds. So, you know, I got two broken leaves springs, and he completely dropped the bed of my truck on top of the tires when he climbed up there.

So he might even have been a thousand pounds. I don't know. I just know that it was heavy. It's interesting. The one thing that really fascinates me about the encounter, besides him coming up and taking stuff out of your truck or kind of rummaging through your truck, the little one did a wood knock, and then within a matter of seconds, there's a second one there. Yeah, yeah, and you're right

From all of the movement before, which just tells me that kids strolling through the park without care in the world And he didn't really care that he's dragging the stick That didn't mean anything The metal post didn't mean anything The moment he hit that tree, that big one joined him

That tells me that these things had predetermined What signal would bring the big one over? Yeah, absolutely. Do you think that a lot of the wood knocking has to do with hunting. I mean, and the reason why I asked that is I've heard so many people talk about that. You know, Mike Humphreys talks about that. I had Sydney on the other night, and she had mentioned that too.

She would hear wood knocks from one side of her property, and then she'd hear another wood knock from another side of the property. Then shortly after that, she'd hear an animal being killed. And she says that every time she hears the wood knocking, it seems like she can hear an animal being killed. Well, that only tells me that wood knocking is important for their communication, even among their hunting techniques. But it doesn't change the fact that that doesn't mean that the wood knocks are always used for hunting. It just means that it's always used for communication.

Yeah, that's a good point, some form of communication. There was a time that I was researching by Lake Oulagah off the Spitzer's Stitcher Creek area. I've been researching there for a couple of years, and I had a significant thing happen there twice. It tells me, I don't know if the tapping was used to alert other big fruits or if it was just, I don't know what, but I heard some metal being tapped, and I thought it might have been a fence post or something, I don't know, but it was pretty significant. tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap, tap.

It wasn't wind. It wasn't, and I told my partner, I said, I got to find out what is making that noise. And this is an area that we had high activity. And I slipped off down into a creek, and I was going to follow this creek towards the sounds. And the moment I slipped down the side of this 10-foot deep creek, it stopped.

So that tells me wherever it was, it thought it was splotching us. And the moment it couldn't see me. anymore was the moment it stopped. So I don't know if that tells, maybe he was telling another group that was foraging or sleeping or whatever that, you know, I'm going to go ahead and tap this while I'm watching these guys the moment I stop. And that means

you guys need to be paying attention. I mean, who knows? We can only speculate. I can just only tell you what happened. Yeah, no, and you know it's a little bit more than even speculating. You know, you can put together a picture, and that's why I love so much about your encounter and

the research that you've done because you can kind of put together a picture of what's going on with different behaviors. You know, we've talked about it in the past with the different types. It seems like up here in the Pacific Northwest, they're larger, they have a different look to them. It's more of the Patterson look. And it's kind of like what you and I were talking about in the beginning with regard to that one gentleman I'm going to have on the show who shot one. He said, hey, man, it didn't look anything like the Patterson film, not even close. He goes, what was the ugliest thing you ever saw?

It kind of looked like a chimpanzee. So I think there's different types depending on the location that you're in. Well, you know, I mean, the one big one that I saw when he came out, about four years after my encounter, I went to see a therapist, a psychologist, and I catered to put me under hypnosis, and it took me back to that night, so I'd try to come up with some more details of what I saw that night.

And I recorded the session. You know, I wasn't super stoked about, you know, the results from the session. But, you know, but it allowed me to go back to that night and kind of relive it a little bit, you know, and try to look a little deeper into my memory and see if I could come up with any, you know, better descriptions. You know, unfortunately, the moon was behind the creature. I mean, I could see these huge coconut. shoulders. And the hair was actually, I could see the moonlight coming through the hair, so the hair was actually flayed open, you know, had it flared across the shoulders.

Huge, huge neck, you know, head coming down to the shoulder and then the round shoulder going down into the arm. But one of the other things that stood out to me was the V-shaped let's the tis of this doorside that ran up under his arm head. Because as you can imagine, standing there with its left arm holding the side post of my back corner of my rack. And the way I was looking at him, that means his latch was, you know, reaching the bottom of his arm was crossing the front of his body. He was reaching, you know, and grabbing a hold of that post. So I had a really good look at just the musculature.

He was green and extremely robust. when he come out of the woods he was scooped over completely ape-like. I mean, just the motion was completely ape-like the way the arms were swinging and his scooped over, you know, gate. But the moment he got to the corner of the truck and stood up straight, I mean, a straight backbone, like the best, you know, straight backbone person that you could ever see standing at attention. I mean, he was very straight.

But he was looking over the racks towards the tent. I mean, he was specifically elevating himself up to make sure to look over the racks at the tent. So I don't know if that was a natural straight backbone stance for him, or if he was just exaggerating his stance to be able to peer over the ladder racks, you know, towards the tent. But still, I mean, he had a straight backbone very much to a wheelchair. I don't know if it was the time of the year since it was February.

I don't, you know, in down south, you know, we don't really have the winter months, even though it was cool. It's not cold in the winter. So I don't know if that makes a difference on, you know, what maybe in the middle of winter you might see a heavier, you know, the Sasquatch, you know, has maybe a thicker layer of fat in the northern area. I don't know. I just know that this one was in February.

He was lean. So, you know, maybe they stay a little leaner, you know, because there's not much of a winter down here. Yeah, and I think you answered Ron N's question. He wanted to know if you were anticipating the Sasquatch coming to the truck, and that really wasn't the plan. The plan was for it to come through the campsite and they eventually go to the front of the truck to where you could videotape them.

You weren't really anticipating them coming to the truck. Yeah. Pete S. wants to know, through all your research, do you have any quality videos or pictures? If so, can we see them? Well, I mean, I sent you a couple of pictures from that part. And they're not the greatest, but you can clearly see that that big red male look like a gorilla, you know, in the picture that I sent you with his big old football shoulder pads and his cone head. And you could see that his face was even lighter colored than the red hair of his. body, even in that pixelated picture, you know, from the still taken from a video, I mean, you can clearly see, you know, you and I know that that's what that was, but you're not going to convince public that it's not anything more than a blob squash.

A lot of people are asking about the Falcon Project, and I know it's been all over social media, I think people under the impression I was going to tear apart the Falcon Project, and that really couldn't be further from the truth. For people out there who don't know what the Project is. It was a airship that they were going to put in the air. William Barnes, along with Dr. Meldrum from Idaho State. They were going to put together this airship to track these animals and also send a ground team in. And I got to tell you, Randy, I've been getting so many messages about the Falcon Project. A lot of people have been emailing me and asking me what happened to the Falcon Project. And to be honest with you, I have no clue what happened.

with the Falcon Project. And so without bashing the Falcon Project, can you kind of give us a rundown on what happened with it? You know, when I initially heard about the Falcon Project, and I got excited about it. I mean, who wouldn't be ready to jump on board something that has the potential to really open this research up? And so when I heard all the stories of the technology

and the equipment that, you know, is going to be utilized in this project, you know, I wanted to be on board. And so I called William, and we talked around an hour or two, and I just told him, I said, I said, the biggest problem that you're going to have with getting volunteers is getting somebody that can walk away from their life for six months and still have things be able to function at home and have their bills paid and all these things. I said, I can do that.

I said, I've been doing research since 2003. I said, I own my own company. I've got enough money in the bank where I can leave me. I can leave for six months and my wife can take care of things here at home. And I said, I can pay myself, I'll pay my own way there, I can get myself there, I can buy my own equipment. I said, so that's how I sold myself to him to let me do this. And needless to say, you know, he dangled a few carrots out there, which, you know, ended up not coming true, you know, as far as equipment and paying for our food and, you know, even, even paying us, you know, for our effort at some point, if you get the funding, and that

was a big carrot that he dangled out to us. I think I was probably the most supplied person that showed up there. I certainly traveled the furthest, and I drove myself there, and I probably spent $3,000 on equipment, hiking equipment, solar equipment, solar panels, and all kinds of things that would meet in the backwoods. I bought everything that I could possibly need and use to be ready for this, and I bought myself there. So that was quite the expense.

Also, you know, you're talking 16 and 1,800 miles. So I get there, and so do the other people. And, you know, and I'm really not wanting to poo-poo on other people, but this really was a lesson in the management of people as well. is the project. And I'm telling you, I don't think you did a very good job of weeding, you know, the people out for this project because, you know, there were people that showed up that, you know, didn't have phones, didn't have vehicles, didn't have equipment, didn't have, I mean,

and sure, they had the carrots dangled out to what they thought, you know, they were going to get out of this project as well as myself. But the moment that they realized that they were woefully underfunded personally, then you become a burden on the other people there that has to pick up the slack. And so the tensions got bad. You know, there was one guy that talked too much, and another guy threatened him, threatened to get his teeth down his throat. And, you know, I had to keep people from leaving.

There's two people wanted to leave after about a week because they just weren't convinced that we were going to get the equipment. And I talked them in the stand for another week until we gave some ultimatums and some deadlines, you know, to William. And it never did come through. And eventually I'm there by myself. And I stay four or five days at the very, very end, by myself. Because he's still telling me, well, there's somebody else I can talk to. And, you know, they might be able to come through with some funding.

So I just, I really hung on to the last moment where I got down to where I had like 200 bucks in my pocket. And at that point I said, you know, I got just enough cash to get me home, so I can't stay a day longer. And that, you know, that was, but I do know, I was dealing with Meldrum. Meldrum and I, you know, we shared some emails, and we both worked on an article about the Falcon Project. So I know Melgram is a part of it. But unfortunately, William is not a very good manager, business manager or management. manager of people. That is a big stumbling block for this whole project. William just couldn't come through, and it still could. And there are meetings that's slated to take place sometime in June

between Melbourne and some other benefactors who might be willing to contribute. So who knows? I know that this thing can still happen. All it's going to take is one person willing to step forward and say, you know what, I believe in this, and I'm going to fund this, and it could happen. But what happened, the reason it crumbled so fast is there was somebody in charge of collecting the money at Idaho State University, and he was supposed to be funneling whatever funds came in

and put it to a specific account that was going to be used by us. Well, this guy ended up quitting and come to find out, he didn't funnel the money correctly. So William and both, we had $6,000, and that's really what we were going to get started with. They were going to rent five thermal cameras and pay for our food. So they pretty much just going to get us started with the $6,000. And then if we could come up with something that would, you know,

get people excited and more funding would come in, they thought that's how they could keep it sustained. But when you find out that we're already up there on the ground waiting for equipment and we're not even being paid, you know, nobody's paying for our food or nothing at that point. And people are already, you know, some guys are already broke. And then you find out that you had zero dollars where you thought you had $6,000, that's where it immediately started to crumble.

I mean, guys left angry. And there were guys who actually started the Falcon Project support page on Facebook. Those were the guys on the ground that. that even set that page up. So, you know, when they left angry, you know, and I'm not blaming anybody for leaving angry. They just did what human nature would dictate, and that is they left angry.

They thought that they were scanned, and so they would take a parting shot with the project by pulling the websites off and pulling the Facebook off, which they had set up. So that just, you know, it's kind of like a parting shot, and they left, you know, and so it really started to look like it was crumbling. And I still think there's hope for it.

I think it sounds possible. It's just going to take some money. And you never know. If the money comes through, maybe they'll give me a call and say, you know, they appreciate me hang on as long as I did. And, you know, maybe if they'll pay me, you know, maybe this time around, you know, I'll jump on board and, you know, try to take care of the guys on the ground and run it if they would let me.

But, you know, that it remains to be seen. Yeah. No, and I'm glad that you talked about it. I mean, I get so many emails about it. and I have no clue what happened out there. In my heart, I don't think it was a scam. I know all the people on Facebook, you know, all the wolves in the Bigfoot community are first to jump on it and say it was a scam and it was a hoax.

And I don't think it was. I mean, William spent years and years and years and years of planning this. It just sounds like bad project management heading out there. But, you know, you learn from your mistakes. And, you know, hopefully it's a good idea. And hopefully he'll jump back to it and learn from this mistake. But, you know, I understand why guys left mad. I mean, I, you know, probably would feel the same way.

Randy, I really appreciate you being on the show. It's been a blast talking with you. I know you and I talked the other day for a few hours, and that was a blast. And I know you and I almost look like we would be brothers. I think you're in a little bit better shape than I am. But I really enjoyed it, and I really appreciate you being on the show tonight. So thank you for being here. Hey, man, I appreciate it.

I mean, I always enjoy talking about it, especially, you know, with black and Minded folks. Everyone out there, if you get a chance, check out Sasquotronicles.com. I've been doing a midweek show. I try and do it on Thursday nights. And one of the shows I'm going to have coming up this Thursday night, I got a call the other day from the sky. Probably one of the most credible people I've spoken to.

And it was interesting because when him and I spoke, he started telling me the story about how he had shot one of these creatures back when he's retired now, but back when he was younger, He ran into one of these things, and he didn't know what it was. It was out there in Southeast Oklahoma, and he said that it kind of reminded him of a chimpanzee, a huge chimpanzee, with some human-like features. He was charged by it. The thing started throwing rocks. He was charged by it.

He actually ended up shooting it in the head. He had so many details, facial details. This was in the middle of the day. And when he shot it, it had actually come up over his truck. And he was within a few feet from it when he shot it. Very, very interesting encounter story. I was sitting on the phone with him and just listening to him, tell his encounter. And there was this long pause when I was on the phone with him.

And then I thought, oh, that's right. I'm supposed to be asking you questions. I mean, I got so wrapped up in him telling the story. It was just such a fascinating story. So look for that on Thursday. Until then, everyone, appreciate listening tonight. I hope you had a great weekend. and I will see you guys next time.

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