Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1091 Dogman And A Strange Encounter

Episode Date: September 21, 2024

Axton writes "Hey Wes, I'm writing you because years back when my brother and I were in our teens hunting rabbits in the desert in Utah. We had a wild encounter with a creature that definitely wasn't a Sasquatch or any known wolf. I remember him and I walking a line and I was over a slight hill to where I couldn't see him, he started calling my name frantically and I ran up the hill to see what was going on, I honestly thought he came across a big snake or something judging by his voice. When I came up over the hill I asked him what the hell was going on and he pointed in the direction east of us and there was a giant jet black long haired wolf like created hauling ass across the field all I could tell is that it went passed him and startled him quite a bit. My brother is quite the tough guy and it freaked me out because of its size. I would give or take the creature was about 10-12 feet from nose to tail if not longer, the most jet black coloration I've ever seen in my life and moving at a speed that was not imaginable. We started shooting at it and I know for a fact we hit it at least a few times and the damn thing never flinched. It was absolutely wild, it got through the field and into a ravine and never seen again. To this day me and my brother contemplate what the hell we saw experienced. Wes in the desert we were in there is no wolves, only coyotes, and it wasn't a coyote. We thought it could've been someone's dog that got away but there was no people around only us… I have no explanation whatsoever but I can tell you what we saw wasn't a normal creature whatsoever."   I will also be welcoming John to the show. John and his family had a strange encounter with something. I will let John go into it. John writes "I've been listening to, and enjoying your show for a couple of years. I recently listened to an episode where a gentleman spoke about hearing a strange noise, seeing a black figure and not quite knowing what it was, and you mentioned to him that in your experience, some listeners may hear his story and respond with a similar experience. I'm that listener! Me , my daughter, my son and their friend had a similar experience. If you like I can write a synopsis of what happened to us and send it to you."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six of a bear. This is about six foot nine. I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Uh-uh. This is Carla from the Great Smoky Mountains, and you're listening to the best part of my week, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show planned for you. We'll be chatting with Axton. And Axton comes to us from Utah. And about 15 years ago, Axton and his brother, they were out there hunting, and they came across this very large

wolf and there was nothing about it that screamed this was something natural. And I'll kind of like Axton go into it. We're also going to be chatting with John. And John was out with his children and some of their friends in New York and had a very strange incident happened to all of them back in 2015. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows.

Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Axton to the show. Axton, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me, Wes. Yeah, man. And you had this encounter with your brother 15 years ago in Utah. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. What were you guys doing?

And what happened? So we would go rabbit hunting quite a bit when we were younger almost every Sunday if the weather was good. Specifically out to this area where it's past, it's so like Salt Lake Valley and then it's west over the Oaker Mountains past Tewila. It's technically a place called Dell. And it's just crazy because never seen anything out of the normal. You know, we've seen coyotes just, you know, your normal jackrabbits and cotton tails and maybe a couple snakes, you know. And so on this day, me and my little brother, we were just walking our own line, just going and having fun, you know, just same usual stuff, nothing out of the ordinary. And I was over just this little slight hill.

It wasn't anything, you know, big or anything like that because we were walking towards one of the ravines that we eventually cross and stuff. and then walk our way back towards the truck. And mind you, there was nobody else out there other than just me and my brother. And my dad and my brother were far off somewhere else or they were still back at the truck. I can't remember. But so just walking in a line, he started yelling for my name and stuff. But like I could just tell by his voice, like his tone that it almost seemed like something was wrong or he wanted to show me something,

maybe a big snake or something like that. I hurried and ran up on the hill and he's like yelling and he's pointing east of us. And there's this, at first I didn't know what to think it was like because I was like, oh, that's a very abnormally huge dog. Jet black, long fur. You know what I'm saying? But the more that we were sitting there looking at it,

I was like, and I just got some weird feeling. I was like, that's not a, we don't have wolves out there for one in the desert out there um it wasn't a dog because of its immense like its size was unreal west like it was the craziest thing i've ever seen in my life so we it started shooting at it um just unloading um i think i unloaded um at the time i just had a you know a 22 with me that's what i usually like to hunt you know rabbits with just to you know make it a little bit more of a challenge. And I know for a fact that I am a good shot, and I'm pretty sure that we hit this thing,

and not saying that 22s are not going to, it won't drop, it doesn't have dropping power, but like I know that we hit this thing several times, and it just kept going. And the speed that it was going across, I don't know what kind of grass it is out there. I'm not like really too knowledgeable about like vegetation and stuff. But how fast it was moving. It was I hear just a lot of people describe things that they see

like just odd creatures or stuff like that that have this color to them as far as black goes that it almost seems like it absorb sunlight that's exactly what this thing like had

but it was crazy how long the fur was how big it looked like a giant wolf that's all I could say like and it had to been I don't know from tell to like nose just guesstimating and from the distance we were because we weren't honestly like we were pretty damn close to it and it had to have been at least like 10 feet from um you know from its tell to its like the tip of its nose like it was absolutely massive and I think what um freaked me out the most is so after we were shooting at it it goes into that ravine. It never came up out of it. And so, like, we were running over. I don't know why we ran in that direction. I still to this day, like, I even asked my brother, like, what, we're even thinking, because it's just crazy to even do that. But it, we couldn't even find it. Like, if we didn't, like, see where it went in the ravine. We tried to find its tracks and stuff. It was just crazy. Like, it almost seemed like it wasn't real or that it didn't happen. And we

like I always bring it up to my brother, you know, or he'll bring it up, like, always asking each other what we saw that day. I know that it scared him pretty bad because I think from what he was telling me, he wasn't even paying attention and it ran right by him. And that's why he started yelling my name and stuff like that, which thankfully nothing happened, you know, because I feel like it could have just taken my brother away and probably never seen him again or just. done something bad to him. But I, you know, Wes, I have no idea. Like, all as I know is, like, whatever it was was not normal out there. It didn't have any sort of, I don't know, like, I've just never seen anything like that. And I've been going out there for years prior to ever seen something. So, yeah, I mean, I just want to be able to, you know, tell you my story and

everything and maybe somebody out there will hear it and can explain. Yeah, it's one of those things. I've heard eyewitnesses describe running into a creature, whether it looking more like this dogman type creature or Sasquatch. And what they'll describe is it being as black as black gets, like it absorbs a light. And I realize your brother is a lot closer to this creature, but how close were you guys, generally speaking? and did it ever get up on two legs?

No, it never got up on two legs, but it was on all fours the whole time. And I would say I was, gosh, my brother, like you said, my brother is really close to it. I would say for my, like how close I was to it, because it was not far for me when I ran up over that hill. Like I wasn't far from him at all. Gosh, I would say I would give, give or take like 30, 40 yards. That's how far away it was for me. But it was just on a dead run. And the strides that this thing had, how fast it was moving was,

I've just never seen anything like that. Like, I've seen wolves before, you know, and I've seen how big they are, you know? I mean, but this thing was just absolutely, I don't know. Like, it was just huge. And I was like, okay, that's not a dog. And because we almost felt guilty after shooting at it for a while because we didn't realize, like, what was going on. I guess. I don't know. Maybe we were just in shock or something like that. I've kind of felt guilty.

Because hunter, you know, being a hunter and everything like that, like you don't just shoot at something. Or you know what I'm saying. Like you just don't do that. Like you have a respect for, you know, animals and stuff and just don't pop off on anything. But, oh my gosh. So I'm just like, it just gives me the like chills just thinking about. it and like the feeling comes back of, I don't know, like the adrenaline rush and everything. Yeah, you know, your average wolf, and I'm talking from like nose to tail, is probably anywhere between four and maybe five feet. You get into gray wolves, I think they can get up to six. You know, again, going from nose to tail. Northwestern wolves, maybe up to seven, I think, is the average for them. But you're talking 10.

to 12 feet. This thing's bigger than any wolf out there. Yeah, it was. It was in the long jet black hair. The head was huge. I mean, just the body and head, everything about this thing was huge. Even like the tell that this thing had was massive. And I just, like the things that I remember, like, specifically is just it's long fur long jet black um and yeah i've i don't know i used to be like huge into um little nerd kind of type kid as i guess as far as like wildlife biology goes you know so kind of knew that it wasn't um anything normal what was it about its movement was it just a speed? Yeah, it was the speed that this thing was moving at. It was incredible. Like, it covered, I want to say, oh my gosh, like from where we were at from the, from the ravine, I want to say,

like, at least 100 yards, if not more. And it was like, I'm not kidding you, it was like a matter of seconds because, you know, the encounter didn't last that long from what we saw, but it was incredibly fast. It was crazy. And your brother being much closer to this creature, what do you think the creature was doing? And did your brother give any sort of further descriptions, being that he was a lot closer than you were? He doesn't like, I don't think he likes talking about much. I think it really scared the living crap out of him less, like really bad. I don't know what that thing was doing.

I, who knows what its intentions were? Maybe it was going to try and snag him or something like that because I don't think it just came running past him. I think it tried to go after him, you know, and I think he had a 12-gauge shotgun, I'm pretty sure. So I don't ever recall him popping off any rounds when he was yelling my name. But yeah, do you, oh, man. I mean, I just love my brother so much. You know, he's a credible guy. He's very tough and stuff, even when we were young.

and for something to scare the living hell out of him had to, I don't know, been pretty close. I just don't know what its intentions were, and I think that's why we start shooting at it. Yeah, I mean, a big, large wolf coming my general direction, I would have shot two. Wouldn't even have thought twice about it. And, you know, so I don't blame you guys one bit for shooting. I would have shot two. and I know everyone kind of goose on 22 and while it's not going to drop it,

probably not going to drop it. I don't know why everyone goose on, you know, break into my home and let me hit you with a couple rounds of a 22 and I promise you won't. I'll take the fight from you pretty quick. Dude, they call them gut busters for a reason. That round will bounce around. It won't go through.

You know, it won't have an exit. It'll just bounce around and hit whatever it does. You know, your body or an animal's body, you know, especially if that size is, but I've heard just a lot of people talk about encounters like this. Thankfully, we didn't see it go up on two legs because that would have been just absolutely insane. But the thing is, West is like we're out in sagebrush and desert. Like I said, there was nobody else around.

And that's when I was like after we shot at it and we ran over to the ravine trying to figure out where it went. We were just like, do we just shoot at somebody's dog? You know, and then we started feeling bad. Like, dang, like, but then like, and I was like, you know, we thought about it and I was like, no, dude, that was not a dog. It wasn't even a wolf. Like, whatever we shot at was a, I don't know what we saw that day. It was, Wes, I wish I could just like, gosh, just show you guys how big this thing was. It was massive.

And I'm a pretty tall individual. You know what I'm saying? I'm six foot four. And like, gosh, this thing. I don't know. I've seen, I've been around some big, like, dogs and stuff like that. This thing dwarfs any, any dog that I've ever seen in my life. And even wolves. Did the creature vocalize at all? No, it didn't. That was the weirdest thing is, like, we didn't hear, I didn't, I, at least I didn't hear sound or anything. And when it was just going across, like, in that speed that it was, didn't, it's almost like, time stop. Like, I almost couldn't even, like, hear anything out there. And that, that was, that was the weirdest thing. is because normally there's birds and stuff, you know,

a couple here and there flying around. Nothing. That was the weirdest thing, too, is, I don't know. It's hard to describe, I guess. Yeah, and a lot of Sasquatch encounters you hear about the forest going quiet like that as well. Did you guys ever go back? Yeah, we went back a couple times after that. You know, I remember telling my dad about it, and, you know,

he never disregarded us like what we saw or anything. He was the kind of guy like him and his brothers would, my grandpa would, you know, when they were younger, take him up to the UNAs and just leave him for two weeks, fish and pole and a gun or two and like their sleeping bags in a tent and like, you know, so I'm sure that he's seen some stuff. He doesn't ever talk about hopefully someday he will, but yeah, we went back, never seen anything like that again. again. So that's why I'm just like, I've always wondered for years. I was like, okay, that like, it would be a common thing, you know, if you saw a creature out there, like, you know, every time you went out or every so often. But going out there for years and seeing this

and having this encounter and then going for years after that and not experiencing the same thing, it makes you really wonder like, what was it? Yeah, especially running into something like that. And Utah doesn't have wolves, I don't think. No. As far as I know, I don't think we do. Even the ones that are doing very well up in Yellowstone after being

reintroduced, you know, however many years ago that they did that, you know, a couple decades ago or whatever. We might, you know, but that's up in northern Utah. And this was out west. So if you just look up Tuila and then go west

from there as if like you're going towards Nevada, just desert, sagebrush and stuff like that. So you wouldn't find a wolf out there. Yeah, I've driven my motorcycle through there, and you're right, it is nothing but desert. You know, the whole description of it being black is black. I hear people describe that in Sasquatch encounters. They'll say this thing was so black that it, like, sucked in the light. You know, and you're describing this thing as being as black as black.

I kind of have a weird theory on that. And I know that your brother, when he was initially calling you, he wasn't shooting, but then, you know, you started shooting, he started shooting, and he had a shotgun. Do you think he hit it? I honestly think he did, to be honest with you, Wes. Like, I am pretty sure that he landed a very good shot on that creature, because he also is a very good shot. You know, we were very adamant about, you know, doing trap shooting and everything like that. Pretty damn good at it too.

But, yeah, that thing was, holy hell. Like, it almost seemed like as soon as, and honestly, he might have hit it. And that's where it's insane, because it almost like kicked up a whole other gear when it was going, it's full speed. And it, that's what I just don't get is like after that happened, I mean, oh, man. It's just crazy. Sorry, Wes, it's just a lot of things are, you know, going through my head as far as memories from that day. So it's so wild.

Yeah, I would imagine that he hit it, you know, over nothing else than just being terrified. It probably was a reaction. But, you know, and you hit it with a 22, you would think you would find tracks or resemblance of tracks, even though it's kind of a desert. But at the very least, you'd find. a blood trail if it was a flush and blood creature. Yeah, and that's what that's what baffled us is because it would have been a lot easier.

That's why we ran to where the ravine, where it went into after. And it's a lot easier because there's not like a bunch of sagebrusher in there, anything like that, right? Just dirt and stuff. So we, like, that's what we were also looking for was to see if we hit it, if they're the blood trail. And we know we hit it. there, West, there was no blood trail.

There was nothing. It's almost like, I don't know how to describe it. Like, it's like it disappeared, but it's, I don't know. I don't know if that damn thing was bulletproof or not. But, yeah, I know damn well we hit it. And there was no blood, nothing. Yeah, I can tell you from every eyewitness I've interviewed that has seen this wolf-like creature, this canine, whether it be on two legs or four legs, I'll ask people, you know, was it something like a hybrid?

Was it something, you know, just like a big wolf? Or, you know, was there something more to it? I don't know if I want to say paranormal, but was there something very wrong here? And, you know, you kind of even made mention to that earlier when you said it wasn't normal. Yeah, that's the feeling that I got was there's something wrong here. Like, because when he was yelling for me and I come up over that hill, like, I just kind of got a weird feeling that something was off. I didn't shut it out. You know what I'm saying, that feeling?

And then when I saw that creature, then it was just like, I don't know. It makes you feel really small with how big it was. And the, I don't know, maybe the energy change. I'd have no idea, Wes. Like, it just wasn't a good feeling because if it was any other normal. you know, animal that I know of out there, I'm not going to worry about it. You know what I'm saying? Like if it, you know, if it was somebody's dog, I'd be like, oh, that's somebody's dog and I would would never shoot at it. But like the fear that overcame me, especially when I, so in that instance,

when he was pointing and I saw it running across, I looked back at him and looked at like basically the direct path of where that thing was, that creature was running. It was exactly lined up with my brother. It went right past him, and that's what really got me. And I think, maybe I, yeah, that's why I started shooting like crazy. I was like, I don't mean to swear, but I was like, start, you know, like, effing shooting that thing. Like, you know, it's like unload. So I'm pretty sure I unloaded 20 rounds on that. I had three magazines for my 22, so 10 round ones.

And so I'm pretty sure I did two or three mags on that thing, quick, like really fast. You know, Axton, the weird part, too, is the forest going quite. which gets reported a lot in Sasquatch encounters. And sometimes people write it off and go, well, you know, when a predator is in the area, your prey will be quiet, which is true to an extent. But having said that, everything shuts off. And I've experienced that. Like the insects shut off, everything shuts off.

And you feel very, you know something's not right. Something's very wrong here. and in your situation, you kind of witnessed that. I mean, you had said everything went quiet. It's creepy when that happens. Yeah, well, and that's one of the weirdest things was because there's always like birds and stuff like little, just little birds, nothing crazy, you know. They'd always be flying around and in the sagebrush and stuff like that.

And it was just like nothing. And the weirdest thing too was, Wes, is after that. encounter, we didn't see a single jackrabbit in that area when we were walking back. Nothing. Yeah, it's like everything scattered. You know, I've had many eyewitnesses run into this saying. I think you ran into a dog man. The weird part is I've had many eyewitnesses shoot this saying.

And like your situation accident, it doesn't really seem to have any effect. What do you think that this creature is? I honestly from By the way I've been listening to your show for years now I absolutely love it by the way Thanks ma'am Yeah you do a really good job and so I just

I've heard a lot of encounters and stuff And I for the longest time I didn't want to believe that's what it was But I've talked to some of my Native my native friends and stuff like that And they say the same thing to me that you probably saw

you know a dog man I don't know if it's like what some people say is a shape shifter or whatever it is I have no idea of me I don't know I mean what do we really know what goes on in our reality you know what I'm saying and everything that they're keeping quiet of of

creatures like this but it's it just doesn't make any sense I'm pretty sure without a doubt that what we encountered was a dog man. It's just weird though, Wes is because it's out there in the desert. I didn't expect to ever have something like that an encounter. Maybe see a UFO or something like that, but not a creature like that.

Yeah, it's weird. You know, even people out there run into Sasquatch. And I know that area. And there's, it's pretty desolate. I mean, there really is no place to hide. I know you've been listening to the show for a while. What do you think Sasquatch is? I think that it's really hard to say because I really don't know,

but I mean, I have my theories that there is some, you know, they've been around for a long time and ancient cultures have talked about them. I know that they're very intelligent and in tuned with energy and how they can manipulate, you know, and stuff because just hearing all sorts of encounters of what they can do. do. I think they are flesh and blood in a sense, but I think that there's way more to them than what meets the eye and what we'll ever understand. What makes you feel that way?

Just the things that they can do. I mean, for one, they're incredibly in tuned with the environment that they live in. They seem to be very physically adequate to, they don't even need weapons to hunt. They can just run something down. or how they can communicate with each other in order to do a killbox as far as getting creatures and stuff like that. Yeah, they kind of hunt like we do. Yeah, exactly. And it makes sense, but they're an absolute apex predator or whatever they are.

They are the top of the line out there. Yeah, it's a good point. Plus you hear all the weird stuff that goes on in people's encounters. things that they're describing. And I was a critic for the longest time about, you know, anything weird or paranormal that went on in people's encounters. But after a while, I mean, I've always said if it's one guy, you can go, I'm sure there's medication for what that guy has. But when it's many people over and over and over again who don't know each other and they're telling you this weird stuff, at some point you got to stop and go, okay, what's going on here?

And this dog man thing, I'm really glad that you came on. I enjoy hearing about the dogman encounters. I thank God, I've never run into one. But I've talked to enough eyewitnesses to where I'm sure it's out there running around. I have no doubt in my mind that it's out there running around. And it's terrifying, man. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share what happened to you and your brother, Axton. I really enjoy chatting with your brother.

Yeah, I appreciate it, Wes. Appreciate it a lot. Also, I wanted to tell you, I'm going to have one of my buddies, him and his wife had a really crazy experience while camping in their trailer. So hopefully they'll want to come on your show and stuff and I'll have them reach out to you guys. Their encounter was pretty terrifying from what they told me. So, yeah, I'm going to refer them to you. Thanks, man. I really appreciate that.

Yeah, I appreciate you, Wes, and I appreciate everything you do. you have an awesome show and an awesome platform for people to be able to uh you know talk about stuff like this and uh it's just yeah it makes you feel not so crazy maybe we are crazy it's just the rest of the world you know it's i don't know behind or something like that you know yeah well i don't think that you're crazy axon thanks again for coming on next up on the show i want to welcome john john Thanks for coming on. Hey, Wes, thanks for the invite. Yeah, well, I really appreciate you coming on.

And you had this strange encounter. It was you, your children, and a couple of their friends. And it happened in New York. If you would, just kind of start from the beginning. How long ago did this happen to you guys? Yeah, so this was, Wes, this was August 1st, 2015. I remember it because it not, to, I guess not to be too dramatic, but it was kind of a life-changing event because nothing

like that had ever happened to me or my kids before, especially me. And so, yeah, it was August 1st, 2015 in a town, little town called Wales, New York, which is about 45 minutes outside of Buffalo. Yeah, it was a beautiful Friday, sunny summer day. We were the kids, my kids were younger then, obviously it was for nine years ago. So kids were geocaching. I don't know if you know what that is, but kids do it. It's a thing where they download a GPS system and they find stuff in the woods that other kids put there. So we had started out that day probably around 11 a.m.

It was me, my daughter, her best friend, and my son. And my daughter and her friend were probably about 14 at the time. and my son was 11. So we geocashed in a rural area outside of Buffalo for a couple hours, and then they wanted to go to a new place. And they, you know, they Googled where they could geocash. And this is where we ended up in Wales, New York, which isn't too far from where I live, maybe about 10, 12 miles, and it's called Sergeant Mark Radamaker Park. Very rural area. and as I said it was you know it was a beautiful I believe it was a Friday afternoon now

it was probably about 1.30 in the afternoon when we got there and into the parking lot and there was I don't think any other cars when we got there so the four of us got out of the car went into the woods and it's a it's a you know it's an old mature wooded area with large trees and it doesn't take you long to get into that, you know, into the kind of the deep woods, large tree area. So we were maybe in the woods 15 minutes and the kids had something on their phone, you know, an area to locate this item. And we're actually, Wes, we were walking single file at the time of when this happened. And it was my son was in front. It was me and the two girls. behind me. And literally, I want to say, and I know it sounds cliche, but it was like a minute

before it happened, you know, I turned around and said to the kids, you know, it got awful quiet, which it did, like you couldn't hear anything, you know, birds, crickets, anything, which we kind of laughed about it like, yeah, dad, it did. It got real quiet. And then about a minute after that as we were walking single file, we heard just a huge loud noise. I mean, it was so loud and close to us that it, you know, it startles you, that kind of noise. Not like an apple falling out of a tree or anything like that. I mean, it was a loud, loud, just a bang, you know, like something had crashed to the

ground close to us as we were walking single file. file and we were alongside of I don't want to say a ravine but it kind of you know the the grade kind of tapered off to our right the noise was to our right so we hear this huge noise we immediately look at probably at about a 40 degree angle as we were walking to our right where the noise was where we heard the noise and you know the upper center of the noise was maybe 30 feet from us So it was really close. So we all look.

And my first thought was how fortunate we were, because I had assumed immediately, because there were huge trees around, that it was just a huge tree limb that had broken off and landed on the ground. And I'm thinking, wow, you know, we were close to that. That was my, like, immediate thought. So we're all startled, you know, and we go over to where this area was, where, you know, where we, we should have seen something. And the ground, although it was a beautiful day, the ground was very soft because it had rained, you know, the few days prior to that.

So it was very soft in a lot of the areas. And where, you know, this, whatever made the noise was soft. I mean, you could literally have dropped like a can of soup there and it would have left an indentation, much less, you know, the sound that we heard, you know, which it would have had to have been, you know, something several hundred pounds would have made that noise. So we walk over there, which, you know, just 30 feet away.

So it literally took us seconds, the four of us, and there's nothing there. And we're looking around, we're like, what's going on? Like no tree branch, nothing. And so we start walking around, and I'm like, I told the kids, all right, everybody walk, Because it was a little bit, as I said, it was it was graded down, sloping down to our right. Not a huge grade, but enough that maybe something could have rolled. So we're looking and I tell the kids, all right, everybody just kind of walk around in a circle. Let's see if we can find anything.

And, you know, it was quite obvious that we couldn't. Like there was nothing there to find. There was nothing where the point of impact should have been. I mean, literally nothing, untouched. and the kids, as I said, were, you know, 14 and 11, but they're smart enough to know that something should have left, you know, there should have been evidence of whatever made that sound. So within a few minutes, my daughter comes over to me, and this is, you know, not even five minutes from the time we heard the noise because we, you know, we walked over there, we walked around, we're looking for some evidence. And she comes over to me and says, Dad, what is this? going on. I said, honey, I don't know. And that's when I said to her, hey, when you heard the noise and

you looked over, did you see anything? Because, you know, I'm thinking, I saw something. And she goes, yeah, I said, what did you see? She said, I saw something black, maybe three or four feet high, and maybe about seven feet long, but I only saw it for a split second. And that's exactly what I saw. I'm like, oh my gosh. So I called her friend over, you know, to us who hadn't heard the conversation. And I asked her, I go, honey, when you heard the noise, did you see anything? And she said, I did. I saw something that was black that was maybe three to four feet high and maybe seven to eight feet long. She goes, but I couldn't tell what it was because I only saw it for a split second, which is what I saw.

It was, Wes, it was literally like, um, like a blink of an eye. I didn't see it go like completely from my field of vision to the left to completely to my field of vision to the right. Like I,

I didn't see that. When I heard the noise and I looked, I just saw something right where I looked for a split second. Didn't go all the way across my field of vision. It basically just appeared and disappeared. And when I thought about it, you know, I thought,

well, it, it fell down under the ground like there was a hole there and it just disappeared and you know my daughter and her friend said the same thing they're like uh my daughter's like dad i expected to come over here and find a hole in the ground like that thing i saw just kind of fell into the ground as my son he didn't see it because when this event happened he was basically to the left of the tree where we thought the branch had fallen over it was a huge um um um um I believe. I have pictures of it.

So he didn't actually see the black entity, heard the noise, you know, went over there and saw everything. But the three of us saw the same black entity. And Wes, I can't say, and neither can my daughter or her friend, you know, like it was so quick. I couldn't tell you if there was a head on it, a tail. You know, I couldn't say those things. I just know it was black. I know approximate dimensions and all three of us were in agreement, you know, three to four feet high, seven to eight feet long, jet black, sought for a split second and disappeared. Again, not into the woods and not out of our line of sight, but disappeared right in front of us.

So now we're six, seven minutes into after hearing the event. And I just stood there thinking, what is, what's the earthly or scientific explanation for what just happened? And again, the kids aren't dumb. And they're like, Dad, we want to go right away. They were, you know, they were incredibly spooked. And quite honestly, so was I. Even though it was the middle of the day. And, you know, we're only a half mile from our parked car.

But it was, it was truly, truly bizarre. and I just I remember thinking there's there is no earthly explanation for what we just experienced that huge loud crashing sound followed immediately by that black flash of whatever that was and then no evidence no impact crater no evidence of what made the sound that was so close to us no evidence of whatever that black thing was we saw and And, you know, and then it starts to set in like, you know, you get spooked, which the kids obviously were. I was. I didn't show it. We walked back out to the car. We got in the car and drove home. And, you know, I just obviously couldn't get out of, couldn't get it out of my head.

And I, my son and I, my older son and I ended up Googling things out of the ordinary or paranormal or whatever in that park and in that area. And there was a guy whose name came up on some articles written locally. And this guy was an author and he'd written several books about stuff that it goes, happens all around western New York. So I called them up. And I started telling him the story. And he basically finished it before I could finish the story.

He kind of finished my thoughts and my sentences. And I'm like, wow, how do you know all this? He goes, John, those kind of events have been happening in that area for years, hundreds and hundreds of years. And I'm like, well, how do you know before, you know, newspapers and everything? He said, well, because I've talked to the Native American tribes who were originally from that area, and they've passed down stories almost exactly. exactly of what you experienced. So now I'm thinking this is incredible and you know I in

West I again this is nine years ago and of course it's never left me and you know in the immediacy after that for the next few weeks like my daughter who again I said was 13 at the time 13 to 14 couldn't sleep in her room she had to sleep up with my wife and I you know on the floor for two weeks her friend the same my son the same You know, it was a completely, you know, bizarre, upsetting and kind of a life-changing experience. You know, life-changing for me in that I would hear these stories in the past. Somebody would say something or somebody who trusts, oh, this happened. And you're like, I know you sound believable.

But I think it just, maybe you experience, maybe you're not, you know, whatever you thought you saw, you're just mistaken. And then from then on, I'm like, oh, well, I don't think that way anymore. I'm like, I have to have an open mind about everything because of what we experienced that day. You know, and kind of an addendum to the story. And by the way, I've never told this publicly ever. That's the first time I'm doing it. I mean, I've told family and close friends, but about a year later, I got a phone call from an acquaintance in the same town I live in. This lady that I know her and her husband, but she called me up and said, hey, John, you got a call.

couple minutes to talk. I said, sure. She said, well, I heard through my son that something happened to you out at Sergeant Mark Radamaker Park maybe a year ago. I go, yeah, it did. She goes, well, can I tell you what happened to me just yesterday? I said, sure. Now, she tells me she's out turkey hunting behind her house in a rural area, probably no more than five miles from where we had our experience. And she proceeds to tell me the exact same thing. She's She hears this loud noise, which kind of shocked or scared her. And she said she thought something fell out of the sky and saw this black thing flash in front of her field of view for a split second. So, you know, Wes, I really don't know what happened that day.

You know, I have theories because I've read and I've researched and I've listened and, you know, to a lot of podcasts, a lot of people that have a ton more experience than me. I only have that one experience. You know, I've never experienced anything paranormal in my life. I'm 61 years old up until that time, you know, when I was 52. So I've listened to a lot. I've read a lot. I've basically, in my spare time, became a sponge to figure out what happened to us that day. And, you know, it's truly a mind-bending experience that, you know, will stay with me forever.

Yeah, it's a strange. experience. I could see why it would stay with you. The noise that you guys heard, was it like something jumping out of a tree, kind of that plop sound? So the noise, it's a good question. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't an animal sound. The best way I can describe it is if, I mean, what I initially thought, like I thought a huge tree limb, you know, several hundred pounds had crashed to the forest floor. That's what it sounded like. Something huge, crashing to the floor. Just a huge crashing sound.

I mean, like I said, not like an apple, something, hundreds and hundreds of pounds. That's how loud it was. And extremely close to us. Like, I want to say 20, we did measure it off. I think it was like 25 or 30 feet from us.

I want to make it clear that when we heard the noise and we looked to where the impact should have been, we had a good field of vision. So if that was a bear that landed there, and then took off, we would have seen them take off easily. You know, at least the three out of the four of us would have been able to see it. So what we heard and what we saw was right, you know, 25 to 30 feet from us at a 40 degree,

45 degree angle from how we were walking. And the noise, the flash of black, and then nothing. So it was 100% impossible if something fell out of that tree like a black bear. or a branch or whatever and and could have gotten out of our view or disappeared it just couldn't have done that so yeah but i mean i thought of that and like immediately it was either a tree branch or maybe a bear but even a bear wouldn't or made that kind of sound you know and i looked up at the tree where we were you know the big tree that was over like near the where the sound was and the where the impact should have been was an enormous tree but there you know there were

weren't branches. The first, any real branch was probably 50 feet in the air. And there was nothing on the trunk, you know, because we were walking towards the tree when this happened and there was nothing on the trunk. Yeah, let me ask you, I mean, was it, I realize all of this is happening very, very quickly, but was it an upright figure like a man? It was so, I wish I could answer the question more specifically, or that, you know, my daughter. or a friend and obviously we discussed it many many times over the years and we just didn't see it long enough like I can't tell you if it had legs I can't tell you if had a tail or a head all I can tell you and you know my daughter and her

friend would say that it was black jet black maybe three to four feet tall and seven to eight feet long and and the woman my friend who had the experience a year later had the exact same description. Black, she couldn't really tell if there was a head or a tail or legs, but it was just kind of this black entity. And the reason we couldn't, and maybe there was a head and a tail or whatever, but it was so fast that you just couldn't, your, you know, your brain couldn't grasp what you just saw other than color and, you know, kind of basic dimensions. Yeah, so strange, especially where it's a where other people have seen this as well. Yeah, that was, that was the freaky thing when that guy

told me, yeah, that's been happening for hundreds of years. And, you know, he had talked to the tribal elders and in research for his books, and he knew quite a bit about it. That researcher that he spoke to or author, what did he tell you that he thought it was? He said there's, he thought that there are maybe three theories. And he ironically mentioned, uh, Sasquatch as being one of them. And I said, well, you know, I can't, I can't say that because I don't know what that thing was. And it was, you know, it wasn't standing upright. It was more of a of a rectangular presence. So he said, well, you know, a lot of the native tribes thought that they thought, which over the years, Wes, I'll tell you, in the nine years that I've researched, you know, and kind of absorbed as much stuff as I could, his second, that's the second. The second. theory that he had or he had developed with other people was like a portal opened up. And I, you know, and I've since then, I've read, I've read some really interesting scientific

papers, some people who don't dabble in the paranormal, but, you know, I have a bunch of letters after their names with a bunch of PhDs and stuff and have written about possible, you know, portals. And sometimes, and they think when they open and close, they make a loud noise, which would fit what we experienced. You know, if something opened and closed, and maybe that's why whatever was there disappeared in front of our eyes, because it was a portal, and it would also fit the noise. Now, of course, I don't know, but I have, after nine years of talking about this and researching it, that's what I fall on. That's the answer that I fall on.

It's something opened up. There was something there, and it went through that portal and left. And prior to that day, Wes, if you had told me that that was possible or something like that could happen, I would have just, I probably wouldn't have laughed in your face. I'd have been maybe too polite for that, but I would have walked away and laugh. But at this point, you know, I think that's what we saw. That's what we witnessed that day. Yeah. And I know, you know, as crazy as your theory sounds, I've actually thought of that as well in weird encounters where people will hear like corridors or gates open.

when there is no gate, when there is no car around, right before they see the creature. And I always thought that was weird. They'll hear a noise. It's been described as more like a gate or a car door. But I've had other weird noises that people had mentioned. And I always thought, where did that come from? Have you guys ever been back to this area? Yes.

So, you know, I talked to a few people and they said, well, you should go back the night of October 31st. And I'm like, well, that's a joke, right? That's Halloween. I'm like, no, that's a lot of activity, a lot of paranormal activity. So I did. I went back there that year, like just a couple months later at like 20 to midnight, quarter to midnight on October 31st. And nothing happened. And then since then, you know, there's close friends of mine who have wanted to see the area and I've taken it to it. So I've probably been back, you know, five or six times. And other than that night, and I didn't, I'll tell you, I didn't go by myself. I was with a couple of other people that evening.

I'm not a guy who spooks easily, but, you know, old wrestler and football player, I don't speak to spook too easily. But I did take some people with me. Now, the daytime visits, I had other people with me, too, but I would have no, I would have no desire to go there on my own, not after that. And, you know, has it... It hasn't had, I wouldn't say it's had a negative impact on my life. I will say what I mentioned a little bit earlier is that when people say things to me and I hear, you know, listen to your podcast and other podcasts, I don't rule people out anymore.

I'm like, well, you know, based on what I experienced, I can't automatically rule out of hand other people's experiences that are, you know, unexplained or maybe paranormal or whatever, you know, something out of them. out of the norms. So it's definitely affected me that way. It's definitely had me, you know, put me on to a lot of research in this area. Same with my daughter, same with my son. You know, they're younger and a little more resilient, but they don't research it as much as I do. But, you know, occasionally they'll, they'll say something and, you know, they'll read an article and they'll bring it to my attention. was definitely something that was, you know, completely 100% paranormal. There is no other explanation. And I, and I sat there that day, 10 to 15 minutes with my kids begging me to leave, you know,

just trying to come up with some earthly or scientific explanation for what we experienced. And there was not. There literally was not. Yeah, it's weird, man. I had a guy on the show one time. He was hiking down this trail. And the part of the a story he didn't want to tell on the air because it was, the story was weird enough, according to him. And I kind of wanted him to tell this portion, but he had heard a noise. And what caught his attention was this flash in this tree. And after he sees a flash, he sees this dogman and this what appears to be Sasquatch. And he didn't call it that. He said it appeared to be a gorilla and an upright canine. And they were almost like communicating with each other.

and they were really focused on these two women that were farther down the trail. I mean, he got a picture of it, and it does look like a freaking dog man and a Sasquatch standing right next to this tree. It makes you wonder, man, sometimes like, do these things come from somewhere else? What's your take? What do you think Sasquatch is? So, you know, I've always been, obviously this incident that happened, I have no idea if it has anything to do with Sasquatch? I don't know. Like I said, I kind of tried the best I could to

describe what I saw. But I have listened to your show a lot. And, you know, I've been in, I've been, this subject has always fascinated me and I listened to all the shows. For the longest time, I thought, you know, it's just a undiscovered great ape or hominid leftover, you know, from times past, just flesh and blood that, you know, is really good at alluding us and, you know, maybe has some kind of, you know, sensory perception that can avoid cameras or, you know. So I've always thought that. You know, then when this happened nine years ago, I'm thinking, and, you know, and I'm always, in the back of my head, I'm hearing, you know, Jeff Meldrum and, you know, Cliff Berrickman and guys like,

I don't want to hear any of the paranormal stuff associated with Sasquatch, which I kind of don't blame them because, you know, then it becomes hard to, you know, attract real scientists to it. But the fact is, this happened to me. I know another person who I know very well and trust happened to her. So then that opens up the possibility. Why? Is it? Are these things? Can they disappear like that?

I don't know. I mean, I know it isn't a definitive answer that I'm giving you. because I always thought that this is just a flesh and blood animal that's really good at staying hidden. But then after this experience nine years ago, I leave the door open for other explanations. And until we know for sure, you know, I'm going to kind of be on the fence with it. Yeah, I think the reason, and I get why Cliff and Dr. Meldrum do that. I get their mindset on why they're doing that. They want to attract more scientists to the subject.

And I think there's kind of a misconception about Cliff, in particular, that he's, you know, this arrogant, smug guy that won't hear anyone out. And I can tell you that's not true at all. Even though it won't fit into his box as far as what Sasquatch is, Cliff will hear people out. And Cliff is more open-minded than I think most people realize. And the subject needs both of them. Cliff and Dr. Meldrum. The subject absolutely needs both of them. but at some point, you know, when you start hearing weird things over and over and over again in people's encounters,

whether you think it has anything to do with Sasquatch or not, you kind of have to address it. I mean, at some point, you kind of have to look around and go, what in the world's going on here? I agree with, Wes, with what you just said, I agree 100%. Like, who am I, if I'm going to come on here on your show or tell people about my experience, experience, how can I then not open my mind to say, well, you know, listen, that's why that's why I think Sasquatch is. That's, I think he can move around and there's some weird elements to him. I mean, I've heard your story. That's bizarre. Like the way he moved, that's, you know, that's kind of mind-boggling. Like, how can a creature that big move like that, you know,

on his toes and fingers? So how do you, how can I rule out other people? people's experiences and stories. I don't. I have an open mind. I'm just saying up until that point, I thought certainly flesh and blood, you know, just a bipedal great ape or a relic hominid or or something of that nature. And then after that experience, I'm like, hey, my mind is open to any possibility. Yeah, and I kind of think that is a good way to go. You know, I don't want Sasquatch to be paranormal. I want it to be a great ape that we haven't cut up. with, but like I said, man, at some point you got to address some of this weird stuff because it is being reported and the weird stuff is consistent. And, you know, with your encounter,

I'm not sure what you guys ran into, but it's strange. It's very, very strange. And I, and I really do appreciate you taking the time to come on and share with us because, you know, maybe someone out there, someone else out there has seen the same thing. Yeah, well, Thanks for having me on. Love the show. I really do. It's like my number one travel companion. I travel a lot and is your show. I appreciate it. Thank you again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. time everyone.