Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1095 Police Officer And The Hairy Man

Episode Date: October 6, 2024

Karl writes "Wes. I listened to the show #847. The subject was Matt in CT. I am from Sandy Hook CT. Part of Newtown. From Matt's description of the area he and his father saw the Bigfoot, I'm guessing it's Bridgewater, in Litchfield County along the Housatonic River . I live about 20 minutes from there and back in 1976 when I was 14. I'm 62 now and a former Newtown Police Officer and Retired State of CT Corrections Officer, I had an encounter with a Bigfoot on the RR tracks on the Monroe - Newtown Town line. I reported this sighting to the BFRO website Report #77112. I also have had a few interesting vocal. And footprints sightings and 2x my middle daughter said she saw a Hairy Man on the side of the yard staring at her at my in-laws house 2 miles away from my sighting."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. Bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-oh. Hi, this is Carol King from Music City, and you're listening to my favorite podcast, Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Carl. And Carl comes to us from Connecticut.

And back in 1976, when he was 14 years old, he had an encounter with this creature. He's actually a former police officer. And Carl was listening to episode 847 when I had Matt on from Connecticut. And Carl said, I know exactly where Matt had his encounter. And there's a few other things we'll get to tonight. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Carl to the show. Carl, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, and you had this encounter back in 1976 in Connecticut. If you would, just kind of start from the very beginning and walk us into this encounter.

Okay. When we were kids, we lived right next to a state forest. We also lived near a major river. You know, being eight, nine years old, parents used to let us, you know, hang out on our bikes and neighborhood kids and everything. It wasn't a lot of kids in the area, but it was really wooded because we were right there by the state park and the state forest. You know, so we used to go on our bikes all day long and take off.

Or in the summertime, you know, we'd go boating and swimming. and wintertime we go sled riding and things like that. And never had to worry about our parents worrying about us where we were. As long as, you know, there was the three, four of us together. They knew we'd be home and we'd pretty much be within yelling distance. So when I was about, I don't know, kind of like 1972, probably about eight or nine years old, maybe 10 years old, We used to go up this little fire road behind our friend's house, and they had power lines up there.

And off the little fire road to get to the power lines was this field. You have to walk about 20 yards in, and it opened up to this pretty good-sized field, probably about five acres. And I remember being a kid and seeing these giant, like we used to call them like, bare beds where the grass was about three, three and a half feet tall, but these beds would be pushed it down like something was curled up and laying in it. But it would fit four of us kids at like 10 years old in it laying down. And we thought it would be cool, you know, it was cool. We found, you know, one here and then another one about, you know, 25 feet away and, you know, we grab our sticks and we play, you know, shooting each other type thing, you know, games and stuff like that.

And just blow it off. In the wintertime, we'd go back up to the same spot. And we used to go up to the fire road and bring our flexible flyer sleds because they were the runner's sleds at the time. And a couple of older kids in the neighborhood had snowmobiles. So they would run up the fire road and they'd pack it down. not knowing, you know, not just for us, but they were just, you know, up. Once the snow would get all packed down, we'd take the runner's sleds and, you know, we'd fly down. It was like the best thing in the world.

But there was a couple times we would go back into the field just to go hang out and, you know, walk around. And we'd see these impressions in the snow. And they were, you know, a lot bigger than, you know, 10-year-old kid. with like snowmobile boots on, you know, winter heavy boots, and they were much larger because our feet would fit way in, you know, inside and there would be a good, I would say a good seven, eight inches left in it. And we used to joke with each other saying that, you know, oh, there's got to be giants around here, you know, and then we would try to jump from one track to make it to another, and we couldn't jump that far with that expanse, you know,

between footprints and never thought anything about it after that this is i'm recalling all this stuff after you know other incidents happened so that was like in like uh 1972 right around there then uh back in uh i think it was like 1976 they had the uh we had the big bicentennial and uh a lot of talk was about the freedom train coming through through on railroad tracks. It was an old, you know, old style locomotive that was all painted up and everything. It was making its rounds. And we lived really close to the railroad tracks.

And my buddy lived and his, you know, his sister lived up to tracks, probably, oh, maybe about a good mile on the railroad tracks, which just cut through the woods. There was no houses there, no nothing. And it beat walking up on the road all the way around and having to go down the hill. So we would just cut right through the tracks because I lived right along the track, and they lived right on the town line on the track. So one day it's in the middle of summer because I remember it was 76. And I don't know, it was like July, August. I'm walking up the tracks, going to his house.

and I'm walking in between the steel rails, and I'm walking railroad tie and railroad tie, and I'm looking down at my feet because some of the railroad ties aren't so flat, and every once in a while you twist your ankle or stub your toe or something like that. So I'm just walking down the railroad tracks. Nice summer day, and all of a sudden, I stubbed my toe,

and I kind of fell forward, and I launched myself like five, six steps, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, caught my balance. And then I looked up and right in front of me was this black silhouette that I described as like a big basketball player. I could tell it had hair on it. I couldn't make out details on a face or hands or feet because it was like 1 o'clock in the afternoon.

The sun was kind of coming at me at like an 11 o'clock position. So it was kind of behind that. But I was only, oh, maybe 50 feet, about 50 to 75 feet away. It was pretty close. And this thing just stood there in front of me. And I'm like, whoa. And then it just turned.

And he gave like three steps off the railroad bed, went up this small incline of like rocky shale where they kind of cut through the railroad tracks. And then just walked into the woods. And I just sat there. I was like, oh, that was pretty, pretty cool. I know it didn't have a pointy nose on it because this thing was like seven to eight feet tall, built like a basketball player, but much broader. Probably weighed,

I had to say, between four or five hundred pounds easy. I mean, I was already at that time, at 14. I mean, I was already like at 220, almost six feet tall. And this thing was towered over me. And it just turned and like I said it just you know wander it off. It didn't it wasn't really quick but it just went. Didn't make really any noise, didn't say anything. I know its face was flattened because when it turned sideways to walk I could you could see the flatness of the of the silhouette. I just sat there and was like yeah okay I probably didn't see that but I saw it. I know it wasn't a bear. We play in the woods when we were younger, never saw a bear.

And I just kind of brushed it off. I ended up telling my buddy about this probably a couple months ago. And like, I'm 62 now. He's 63. And he's like, he says, why didn't you ever tell me about this on the way home or on the way to my house? And I said, what would you have said? being 15 years old that your buddy who's 14 comes up to you and says hey

you'll never guess what I saw on the way to your house and he's like yeah you're right probably would have laughed at you it's like yeah you probably would thought I was crazy and he was like yeah

so blew it off at that point and say you know hey I'm not going to say anything to nobody it happened it happened and that's it So that was when I, you know, when I was 14, never thought nothing of it, never saw anything of those prior incidents, you know, putting one in one together or dwelt on the idea of, oh, I got to find out what this is or, you know, whatever. When I went out of my life, ended up getting married, having a couple kids, joining the police department in a very, very large town in Connecticut over on. the Fairfield County side along Wichfield County. And at that point, my in-laws lived very

close to where I grew up and where my wife, you know, I met my wife was all in like a two-mile diameter. And we're all, we're right in this zone because even my wife where she lived, her back property, one property over, backed up the state forest where we used to play. That's how big it was, just different roads to get there. So I ended up having a couple kids. My mother-in-law used to watch the kids all the time. And wherever my mother-in-law is one day. Nice day out.

The kids were, you know, and lived at the end of a cul-de-sac. Kids were out there playing. And my middle daughter, who happened to be about, I don't know, she had to be like three. she comes in and she's like, mom, the hairy man keeps watching me in the backyard. We look at her and like,

yeah, okay. She's like, no, no, no, there's a hairy man in the backyard. Said, okay, let's go outside and check. You know, okay, well, you know, make the kid happy. So we walk into the backyard and we look, now it's got a really big backyard. They lived on an acre and a half on the end of a cul-de-sac. Yard father-in-law was a particular.

list with his yards had a lot of green, but the back was all hemlock trees along the, you know, along the back. So it went into a thick brush before it went to the next road and then into the property of the state forest. So it went out and there walking around. She was like, it was right over there. Said, yeah, okay. So we went over there and looked, nothing, went back inside. Other kids went back out and played. Like 20 minutes later, she comes back in and she says the same thing again. she's like mommy grandma the hairy man is in the backyard again we're like okay so now we go outside really quick and we look and like you know is there some kind of a nut job you know looking through

the woods or you know what what's going on here so I go and I'm looking through the you know pretty much 10 feet into the woods around there's nothing out there so we come back in and we're talking to my mother-in-law it's like you know she says she's seeing this she just says under her breath don't be surprised if she did see something. And we never thought anything of it that. My wife, when I was telling her this whole stuff a few months ago, she's like, yeah, you remember what my mother said, right? And I was like, no, she's like, that's what mom said.

She says, don't be surprised. But she never said anything else after that. So we just, you know, took it with a grain of salt and just another day in the life of a little kid. So I'm talking to my wife about this whole thing, and she reminded me of that. She's like, you know, when we used to play, when we were small, she's four years younger than me, her, her sister and brother and the kids in the neighborhood up there, they had a lot more kids in their neighborhood. They said, we used to go down to the state forest.

And she said, her and her sister used to always get this feeling that somebody was watching them. And I'm like, really? And she's like, yeah. She says it happened quite a few times. I never saw anything, never heard anything, but we got that really creepy feeling that there was somebody just watching that we couldn't see. So, end of that discussion going on. Well, that was back in like 92.

Well, when I left the police department and switched jobs, I left in, um, the end of 89. And right after that, right down the street from where I grew up, because I grew up on the lake, that major river, has divided up by dams and lakes. We had a marina that we used to,

when we were kids, we used to just go down like five properties. We used to be able to swim on the beach, and we knew the owner, and he'd give us a ride home in a boat, and things like that. And basically it was these old summertime shacks, no electricity, no heat, kind of like a camping ground, where the old shacks were there that they let people construct back in like the early 40s into the 50s. They brought their own generators, you know, their own lanterns and things like that.

A couple people bought some old trailers, put it on the property. They had their boats there, swim on the beach. and they'd be their summertime hangout. Well, these outbuildings were backed up against a hill. Now, the hill was about a 60-degree hill, and it went up about 100 feet from the ground level up the steep bank and that went into a field that back day. Now, that field is all developed now.

but the people in the, I call them the huts, those little houses that they had there that were there, were calling up and complaining that somebody was throwing rocks down on their roofs and their cars from up on top of the hill. So naturally they called the police. The police came out and looked, you know, went up on top, couldn't find anybody, you know, saw these rocks like the size, some of them size softball, some of them like baseball,

Some of them like golf balls. And, you know, they took reports on the damage. And, you know, they called it a day. And then a few days later, they'd get another call that, hey, somebody's up there, you know, doing the same damage again, throwing rocks down and stuff. Well, I guess this went on for a couple weeks. They planted people up there, left people, I think, overnight to see what was going on. they even had one of the detectives was almost hit by a rock and they were never ever able to find anybody or anything that was doing it which they just that's what they chalked it up to we don't we

don't know where the rocks are coming from yeah very strange and that was yeah it was it was really strange and uh you know after after a while of putting these incidents together over this period of time in my life, I, it just, I was like, oh, you know, okay, let me look into this, you know, what is this? I saw, I don't mind. I think I was watching one of the, you know, popular Bigfoot shows and everything like that. And it started kicking up these little memories on me. So I got into it a little bit more and a little bit more. And I'm putting one in one together and getting two out of it. And then I came up with, you know, hey, you know, I saw this thing.

I'm saying I saw this thing, but we used to play. This thing could have made these tracks and these beds. And when my daughter came in and said she saw a hairy man in the backyard, she probably did. And we chalked it up to a three-year-old's imagination. But after getting into it and watching some more talk shows and some more videos and reading a couple books, I looked into the area where these things are happening in Connecticut. And I was, you know, I was shocked at the locations and that there are and were reports made on. some sightings and vocalizations and things like that.

So I started putting everything together and looking them up on, you know, different report numbers and from where I saw my siding on the same railroad tracks, probably two miles south from where I saw mine in 76, there was, I think, three or four kids who saw something on the railroad. tracks also that went up into the woods that was reported. And I was like, okay, that was 20 years earlier. And I'm seeing this 20 years later. And now here, you know, I'm 62 and it's 2000, you know, 20, 21, 22.

And I'm reading other reports about things being said. And then when I was listening to your podcast, I knew exactly where. the guy was talking about. I just wanted to, you know, I just wanted, I wanted to confirm it. I actually drove by the place yesterday and, you know, went up through the farmland and things like that. But all these other sightings that are been being reported to different agencies, not the same ones, you've got to look them up to see where they were in Connecticut and what year and everything. I basically put together like a map.

that everything is connected by either a railroad track, the river, or the pipeline. And almost 95% of the sightings were within a mile of one of those three items. it was either you're traveling the tracks, you're coming down the river, or you're using the pipeline. And then on those three areas, within a mile of those, the reports are coming in. In different towns, in different counties, but all within a 20-minute drive. Yeah, I think there's some sort of correlation there. I've talked to a lot of guys who work for the railroad, and they'll share their encounter off the air.

A lot of times they're told not to go public or, you know, talk about it. But you do find them around rivers and pipelines. It's almost like a travel corridor. You know, it's the easiest way to get from point A to point B. That's the only thing I was able to come up with. Because when I sat there and I looked, I was like, you know, this one's over here in Danbury, and then this one's in Bethel. I was like, you know, what's the common denominator between Danbury and Bethel? Oh, there's a railroad track there a mile away from there.

And then the pipeline crosses there. And then there's another one, you know, in Newtown. And then there's one in Monroe and Stepney that a guy's hearing whoops and whistles. And he's only five-minute walking time from the railroad tracks. Now, these are the same railroad tracks that I'm talking about that the ones in Shelton went on. It's the same rail line. It's just weird. Yeah, it is weird.

This whole subject is weird. You know, going back to your daughter coming in and saying, you know, the Harryman is looking at me. You know, I realize this is years and years and years ago, but kids are pretty specific. I've talked to many of them off the air, and I don't like to bring kids on the air in general, but I've talked to a lot of them off the air, and you can always tell when it's imagination. You can always tell when they're playing. But Harryman is very specific. What really shocks me, though, is your mother-in-law.

And her reaction, it's almost like she had seen it before. That's exactly what I thought when my wife told me. She says, yeah, we said to my mother-in-law just, you know, sitting there doing dishes or cooking, you know, dinner or whatever she was doing. Don't be so surprised, like very nonchalantly, not, you know, just in regular speech. And then just let it go from there. And then we just kind of like shook our head. Yeah, yeah, okay, right, ma.

you know, type of attitude at that point. But we never, we never thought it. And we never even thought of this until I actually sat down and told my wife what happened. And then, you know, she was the one that brought up, well, you remember when the babies, you know, when the babies came in that time. I'm like, oh, yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, you know, what's fascinating is your encounter, your daughter's encounter, and possibly it sounds like your mother-in-law, whatever she had going on there. This is all within like two miles, a couple miles from each other. And it could be some sort of travel corridor like what you were saying earlier, Carl.

I was going to ask you, you know, when your daughter was saying, hey, there's a hairy man outside looking at me. Did you think back to that moment of, well, I guess your daughter was about three. And you were a teenager by the time you had your encounter. I mean, I was already 14. I was on the volunteer fire department. I mean, we were in these woods all the time because the trains used to come up and down. And being, you know, with the volunteer fire department, all our fathers, you know, used to belong. So we joined the juniors when we were all 12, you know, so we could hang out with the older guys and ride the fire trucks and, you know, things like that.

But in the summertime, we always just hung around the firehouse area because the train would be. come down from up in Newtown to go through Monroe down into Shelton, and it would start sparking the wheels when they hit the brakes, and it would set off brush fires. So, you know, we'd all run up to the firehouse, get on the trucks, and, you know, that was our big excitement. Go put the little brush fire out that the train did today. But, you know, but the area that the train went through in those areas were very, very overgrown. There weren't many houses at all. like that whole place where I saw it, there was nothing between the two points of my house and my buddy's house.

It was just a cut through, had a little, like a little river or brook that went through at the bottom of the hill from the railroad tracks that followed the railroad tracks. That emptied out into the Hussetonic. Walking through there, I mean, it was just railroad tracks in woods. going back to that day when you saw the creature on the tracks and your 14-year-old kid, I mean, what was kind of going through your mind were you thinking like, this is just some weird-looking guy? You know, I didn't, I don't remember being scared.

I don't remember being scared at all. I remember being inquisitive of what it was. immediately ruled out what it wasn't. I mean, because we really didn't really see any bears and it wasn't a bear because there's no eight-foot bear that looks like a basketball player. You know, went through. Somebody playing a joke on me.

Wasn't, didn't move like a regular person did. You know, didn't show any, like, emotion or gestures, like a person did. It literally was just, I stumbled and stopped and looked up, and it was there. Now, by rights, I should have seen it before I stumbled in my peripheral vision.

You know, because, I mean, there was a little fire road on the side, like one vehicle, like a Jeep could go up on at the railroad tracks, you know, there, then the railroad track. So what are you looking at, like 12 feet wide from the woods, each end of the woods, that the railroad trap would go through? And I didn't see anything. I didn't see where it came from. I saw where it was and where it went to. So I'm assuming it came up the hill.

And then I coincidentally tripped while it was, you know, crossing and then it stopped in front of me. And then, you know, it just basically we just kind of looked at each other, you know, like, oh, okay. It just turned and up into the woods it went. And I know you said in the beginning, but how far away from you was this creature? Like I'm saying, I don't think I was more than 50 feet away. You know, 75, 50 feet away, it was literally like right there. If I took a rock and through it, I probably would have hit it dead, you know, without me. missing it. So I was like, that's really close. It's not like I'm looking down the railroad tracks

that I see this image go across. I mean, it was right there. I think it's interesting how much we as humans kind of pass off as that's probably nothing. And you'll hear it a lot of times with hunters where eventually they'll have an encounter. And when they kind of look back at weird moments when they were hunting, you know, they're like, oh my God, I think I was around. these things more than I thought. And I would imagine you kind of went through that, Carl, you know, kind of reflecting on all these things that happened in your life and realizing the creature was probably there the whole time in that area.

It's kind of eye-opening when you realize that, you know? Yeah, it was kind of a, it wasn't something I thought of and then decided to investigate on. It was something that was jarred from my memory saying, wait a minute, I remember this. And then thinking back saying, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that, yep, I remember that. And then it was from going to different, I don't know, different videos and different shows and things.

And the more that I got in, I'm like, I remember this. And I remember that. And I'm like, wait, am I remember that? I was like, no, because I remember playing. We walked in, we were there, and then, you know, we saw this round like indentation in the grass. And I remember playing, you know, in them. I was like, okay, so I just started dropping down, how old would I have been at that point? And went back because I remember, you know, certain, we did, we, you know, we moved, but we moved within like a mile of the residents.

We kept the house on the lake and we moved to another, you know, location up the street, rented out the house and went, you know, went up, had one of those deals going on. But the neighborhood kids were still the same. It was just, you know, where we put our head down to sleep was a little different. And, you know, through watching this and watching that, and then I ended up selling the houses. and back in just a couple years ago. This is 24. So it had to be like 22, the end of 21. Again, on the river, walked out the back door to open the back door to let the dog out.

And across the river from us, because we had pretty much lakefront property, all of a sudden, I mean, it's dead quiet. It's like 7.30 at night at the end of August. And all of a sudden, it's dead quiet. And then all of a sudden, I hear this, and then, brr, I'm like, what the heck was that? And it came from across the river. And it was loud. It was like bullhorn loud. And I sat there, listen, I didn't hear it again. And I was like, that's really weird. I says because there's a big farm across. So there's a lot of acreage and a lot of woods across there. And I was like, that's different.

I really haven't heard that. And it was after that when I started listening to different shows and people saying, we heard this and then we heard that. I heard things similar to it. And then there was a couple shows that I actually heard it sounded just the same. but they had different circumstances from hearing this sound. I just walked outside and heard it. I heard it twice within like six seconds,

and then I never heard it again. These other people are like, yeah, we heard this when we were camping, and we had this happen, and we had that happen, and we got scared, you know, one of those whole scenarios going on.

And then I was like, okay, you know, I'll throw this in a report, you know, really quick. and I ended up, you know, I did that too, just to just the market. But it really sparked my curiosity into getting my memory going and looking into different things.

I got a buddy that we're going to go up in the next couple weeks to where I actually saw it. He says he wants to see it because I believe he knows Matt from that interview that you did because I asked them and he didn't want to really come out and say I was like, well, ask him if we could go up there.

But when he was describing it in the way, I heard it in the interview, I put two and two together and said, yep, I know exactly where this took place. And Matt was right on. I mean, absolutely. I mean, the area that, you know, he's talking about is literally 20 minutes from where mine was. Yeah, you know, I always tell eyewitnesses. You never know.

I mean, when you share an experience, there might be someone out there listening that had an experience in the same area or if they saw something that wasn't Sasquatch. You're not the first person to see something weird or strange out there. So you're thinking about going back. So you live in the area. Yeah. Yeah. I'm literally maybe a half hour from there now. I mean, I go through there all the time.

My in-laws have passed. And then, you know, they sold the house in the area. area and things like that, you know, but we do have, you know, people we know that you still live in the neighborhood, you know, there. My parents sold their house on the lake in the area. I still talk to my, still talk to my buddy who I was with when we saw the tracks and the, and the nests, but I haven't, you know, we kind of grew apart. We talk a little bit on Facebook, but I haven't mentioned anything to him about it. The other thing I wanted to ask you about, Carl, you had kind of described seeing those nests.

And there is reports of people finding these weird nests. And some of the ones I've actually looked at, they kind of remind me of something like a gorilla would make. I'm not saying Sasquatch as a gorilla, but were you finding actual nests or was it more like laid down like a bedding area? No, this was indentations, like something. laid down and pressed the, you know, the wild grass down. But it was, it wasn't like a normal deer one that we would see that, you know, we could get in and that would be it. I mean, this could fit four kids in it.

And, you know, we just, we didn't think nothing. We said, uh, maybe a moose, but we really didn't have mooses up around here, you know, too often. And there, why would there be, you know, three or four of them? Yeah, I've seen what you're talking about. I got called out to a property in Washington. and this is several years ago, and chain Corson went out there with me. And we found something like that, too, where it looked like something very large had laid down. And our elk out here get pretty big, but, I mean, you could fit three or four elk in this one area.

And it could have been elk. You know, I don't know. But it was just kind of weird. On this property, the lady, I'm convinced that she had them on the property after looking at some of the evidence. But I do know what you mean. If you go back, I would love to know if anything happens or if you guys find any sort of evidence. Yeah, I mean, I met this guy on Facebook. I don't even remember.

Oh, I know how it was. I bought a new car and my tire cover. I bought one of those Bigfoot research team. tire covers and I had it on the back. And I was going through town and he owns a paving company. And he saw it and he was going through Facebook and he happened to see because I put a picture up on my Facebook page. And he was like, hi, I'm so and so.

I live over here. I own the company. You know, I saw you driving by. You know, can we talk? I was like, yeah, sure. I was like, cool. You know, got a hold of them. And, you know, we've been back and full.

And, you know, when he said about the one up along the, you know, the lake on your other interview, he was like, yeah, he says, I know the guy. I've been back there and things like. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'd love to be able to go back there. So I want to see if we can go up there. But then he wants to come down to where I saw mine because he has a friend that, I don't know, he used to hunt that area or something like that. that he was telling me. I'm not sure. I think he hunted the area and he knows exactly where my sighting was. So he wants to see exactly where it is too. But he says he's been upstate Connecticut and found some really good prints.

And I was like, oh, and he took pictures of them and stuff like that, but we still haven't coordinated a time to go and look. But we are planning on doing it very soon. Yeah, like I said, I would love to know if anything happens or if you find anything going back. And, you know, thinking about what your encounter and working with the law enforcement, as much crap as law enforcement gets, that was pretty cool, the detectives to go out there and set up shop to find out who was actually throwing rocks.

I'm sure those guys have a million other things to do besides that. I wanted to ask you what you think Sasquatch is. But again, going back to that very first encounter where he saw the creature, would you kind of describe it? It looked like a big, like I said, a big silhouette of a like a really jacked up basketball NBA player like a like a shack, the bigger, like a man. It was different than a man. And I could see the hair on it. Hair was about, I don't know, three, four inches long, maybe. Not really shaggy, but it was still shiny black.

It had like a red tinge around it from the sun coming through, like a little glow to it. You know, long arms, yes. So that stuck out. The head was very small for the body. I remember it's like, you know, the size of a guy's foot. football helmet on this set of shoulders, because it didn't really have a neck, it just had like a bump on the top. It had like the size of a Pop Warner, I would say, football helmet, which was really different. The head was totally not proportionate with this body. Couldn't see any ears. I couldn't see any facial features. I know they were black. I couldn't make out.

You couldn't make out a nose. I couldn't make out eyes or mouth. I couldn't make out really ears because, you know, the way the sun was coming. But, you know, when it turned, it was flat. And it wasn't it wasn't barrel chested. Like a lot of people say this thing's got this big, massive chest. Yes, it had wide shoulders, but it didn't have that protruding barrel chest. It had like a muscle chest that went down into like abs.

You couldn't see the abs, but you know that, just that description, you know, into smaller hips, but still large hips. I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? And there's obviously no wrong answer because no one knows. But from what you saw, I mean, what do you think that these creatures are? me personally because I've I've physically seen something I didn't just see a track I didn't just hear a noise I didn't somebody didn't tell me about something um it's it's real I mean it's a physical it's got hair on it it moves like a person but not quite like a person so it's it's in that limbo between what they tell

you a silverback gorilla looks like and I really don't think it looks anything like that mine was you know taller, thinner muscular

it's something we haven't that's that's you know pretty intelligent obviously but intelligent enough to stay out of sight and know, you know, how they know, whether it's experience or, you know, just, hey, you know, stay away from people, you sneak around at night, you know, stay in the, stay in the shadows, go to the unpopulated areas. They're just smart that way. I don't know,

but, you know, it's a, it's a physical thing. It's got hair. You can see it. You can hear it. And you can watch it. I mean, literally walked up the way. I mean, the only thing I heard was like, you know, stepping on the ground and squishing the brush up into the, up into the woods until it was gone. And it was just like, just like if you were standing it on the tracks and you decided you're going to go up.

It was like boom, boom, boom, boom, and it was gone. Yeah, it's kind of hard to know what these things are. I agree with you. They're very physical. People aren't running into a ghost. They're running into something right in front of them. And I really appreciate you sharing the encounters. I wanted to ask you, you know, you were a cop.

And being in law enforcement, what was like the weirdest call you ever went out to? Kind of the strangest call. The weirdest call. Okay. I believe that this Bigfoot thing is a solid physical mammal of some sort. sort, maybe not evolve, maybe in its own right, whatever it is, whatever shape it's in, it is what it is. But when I was a cop, and this was back in, ooh, I'd say, I'd say between like 83 and 87,

I'll give that time in there. We, you know, work in an evening shift or working a midnight shift because we worked all the different shifts, I remember, we used. they get bombarded with UFO calls. It was right along the 84 corridor from Danbury to Southbury. And people used to call up saying, there's five lights in the sky. They're making a triangle. And, you know, it was like, okay, let me call the airport.

No, we don't have nobody out there. Their whole thing, and this would go on all the time. People see lights. They see this. you know, they can't hear anything, but they see it, then they just disappear. And, okay, it's clear out, yep, and they just disappear. Okay, where these lights go. They would always chalk it up to those hang gliders with the motors on the back,

those guys flying in some sort of a formation at night. They don't fly at night and they don't have lights on those things. and, you know, the airport would always say, oh, we don't know. We don't have nothing on our radar. We don't know nothing about it. And it would just get laughed off like that. But there were many, not just a few. I'm talking, this happened all the time, you know, during the summer months, spring, summer, fall.

I don't think it happened too much of winter. But it did happen in the summer, and it was quite often. And we used to always make a joke of it. I'll tell you another thing that I remember, and I've told other people before. When I was a kid, I was probably about 11, 12 years old. We had a big county fair, and it was right by where Matt lives. And we were on our way home. And on the way home, you're kind of like on top of a mountain.

and you can see far over this, over the tree line, and you can see probably 10, 15 miles over the top of the other mountains and the trees. We're on the way home, and I'm sitting in the back seat with my sisters, and I look out the window, and this is just prior to that other, the other property, probably a quarter mile before it, and I'm looking over that property, and way in the table, and way in the tree, and the, distance, I can see this string of multicolored lights. Now, it looked like they were an inch wide from where I was standing, but it was way in the distance over the mountain.

And it had to be, if you visually looked from one point over the mountain to another point over the mountain, a mile and a half, two miles wide. And it was just like you'd see on TV with that back and forth, you know, blu, blue, blue, blue, blue, blue, when it goes back and forth from one one side of a ship to another side of a ship. But all you could see was that row of lights. And it went, you know, like red, yellow, green white, red, yellow, green white, red, yellow, green white from one end and then it would pop over and go on to the other side. It just back and forth.

I saw it for like 15 seconds. and I remember telling my parents, look, look, look over there, you don't see nothing, you don't see nothing. And I was insistent about it, and they just tell me I was seeing things. That was my really only questionable, you know, what was it? Because there's nothing there besides mountain.

There's no city, there's no houses. It's just a skyline. I don't want to believe this, UFO extraterrestrial Bigfoot's come down and stuff like that. I don't believe that. I believe Bigfoot is what Bigfoot isn't. A UFO is what a UFO is. But it just,

I'm conflicted on that because what I saw that time and what I saw this time and then what other people are saying. Can you understand that? that I'm like, I'm saying I saw you, what I'm assuming was a UFO because I don't know of anything on this earth is that is that wide over a mountaintop. And then, you know, just disappeared. And can't explain it. Yeah, that thing was huge in the sky.

It, you know, it really reminds me of what Lestroud told me. He was out there filming for Survivor Man and he was by himself and he was by himself. and he had seen something come over the mountain as well. I think he described it as being like two football fields long. The thing was enormous. And, you know, the older I get, the more I realize there's less and less about life that I know. And there's a lot of mysteries out there. I think the UFO thing, the government, either one of two things is going on.

They are at a point where they can't really cover it up anymore. or it's more like psychological warfare, you know, where we're going to release it, we're going to tell you everything, and then they don't, maybe to get people to the point of where they don't really care one way or another, just release it. It's hard to say. There's so many mysteries, man. And I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and share your life with us, Carl. I really enjoyed chatting with you, man.

Yeah, it's been fun. It's been different. the first show I did. I talked to a couple other people who wanted me to come on, but I just, I haven't done that yet. So I figured, I was like, I heard that one and I was like, you know, maybe we'll do a combination show one day, go over my stuff, go over his stuff, I know where he is, and I know he knows where I am, we're, you know, 20 minutes away from each other. So it's just really weird that everything happens within a, a, a story. You know, it's over a expansion of time, but within the area of such a small area that all these things happen.

Yeah, well, I'm glad that Matt from 847 and yourself were able to connect. And thanks again, Carl, for coming on. Okay, thanks for having me. And that's it for tonight. Everyone, remember if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.