Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1101 "The shoe is on the other foot"

Episode Date: October 26, 2024

A listener writes "Hey was long time fan, I went from not believing in sasquatch to investigating sasquatch and taking reports to meeting a man who taught me how to call them and feed them on a regular basis because of your show. I would tell my story here but it is far to long and complicated for one email. Spoke to the witness who had a couple of strange things happen to him in Ohio and he has agreed to come on the show. He said he was beyond skeptical about Bigfoot until he had a couple of strange encounters and one incident that still bothers him."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six years. This is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a male, sir? Yes, I'm looking right in it.

Uh-uh. This is Phoenix Bunting from Laxill First Nation, and you are listening to Wes Ghermer of Sasquatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Tristan. And Tristan describes himself as kind of a hardcore skeptic on this whole subject,

and a lot of that changed very recently. He had an encounter in Ohio, and I'll kind of let him go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Tristan to the show. Kristen, thanks for coming on.

Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah, and you had this encounter in Ohio, and it was a pretty recent encounter. What year are we talking about? This year. Well, last year is when I had my first encounter. Most of the stuff that's happened to me has happened this year, actually. I got you. So pretty recent.

Before you had this encounter, what was kind of your feelings on the whole subject? well before I ever got sent the podcast or anything like I thought it was absolutely nothing like thought everyone was nuts I thought it was a stupid costume you know my friend sent me your podcast and when I first started listening I literally listened to make fun of people and I would literally make fun of you too so things have changed a lot well if you would kind of take me back to this first encounter. What were you doing and what happened? Okay.

So, like, I had a friend, an ex-co worker, actually, that sent me your podcast while I was at work one day at a different job. And I had a lot of downtime, so I started listening to it. And I would listen to it just to make fun of it. This is back when everything was real bad quality, like probably around episode like 200 or something. I listened to it because I had a lot of downtime. And after a while, I started to realize, you know, some of these people are saying the same things. And some of them are saying it so passionately and so like with trembling in their voice.

You know what I mean? And I just realized after a while, like maybe there is something going on here. So I showed it to my girlfriend who has a degree in anthropology. And she said, yeah, this could be possible. that this thing's still around. So we kept listening and after probably about,

what would you say? Let's see, like two years? Oh, I've been listening to it probably since 2018. So we've been listening since 2018 and 2023 we finally decided to go look for it. And we picked a

national park. I'm not going to say which one. in Ohio and we didn't plan it very well. It was kind of spur of the moment thing. We were like, hey, let's go look for Bigfoot and a ha-ha, you know. Probably won't. We figured nothing would happen.

And this was our first time ever going on a backpacking trail period together. And we were woefully unprepared. I had a bunch of rechargeable flashlights. Pro tip, don't ever bring rechargeable flashlights on a long expedition. Get something you can replace the batteries on. But we started off on this trail, and it was muddy. It was probably down to our mid-calf, like, deep. And we started about noon.

And I was going through, I was doing everything you see on the stupid TV show. It was smack in every tree I could find with a stick. It was throwing apples everywhere, doing insane-sounding calls that absolutely should not have worked anyway. And we're on this trail for quite a while, and we don't see anyone at all. Like, anyone at all. We get probably about seven or eight miles in, and the sun starts going down. and we just keep going and

probably about 11 p.m. rolls around and stuff starts getting really quiet. I'm not thinking much of it because again, I'd never been on a backpacking trail in the dark before. I just figured it was getting real quiet, you know? Just because it's late. And probably about 1130 rolls around and we're coming around this cliff face

from where like the rain. had washed everything out. And it was, it was pretty bad, pretty thin cliff face. And we had stepped over like this down tree. And right about then, my girlfriend pointed to the left of us, pointed at her flashlight at a mouse that she heard walking. Like it was so, it had gotten so quiet that she could hear a mouse. Like there was no

really no wind, no bugs, no birds chirping, nothing. Just this mouse was walking by. And we're like, okay, that's kind of weird. We, about a minute, a minute and a half goes by, go a little further up. And just out of nowhere from off trail above us on this cliff face. So it's not like a huge cliff.

it's probably about eight feet up. We hear this sound that I can only describe as like a whooping. And like it's like a like I'll do it. I don't know if it'll blow the mic out here or anything. But yeah, it's like a like a. Wooop. Coming from above us on the hill. And I don't know if it's all the years of listening to the podcast

or all the nature documentaries I watched. Because I watched a lot of stuff about Gorilla. as before attempting this like several hundred hours. I just did some, I don't think I processed what was happening correctly. And I whooped back at it. I did it the exact same way that I heard it. And to my surprise, it woped back at me again the same way. And I did it again and it did it again.

and at this point my girlfriend starts freaking out a little bit he's telling me to like shut up but I'm too like elated that we're actually hearing something so I do it again and it did it again and then I actually didn't hear anything after that she said that she heard like one footstep it stayed quiet after that and we started making our way back to the

we had like seven more miles to go, I would say, until we got up to the camp. And that was in pitch black darkness, our flashlights were dying. So we start making our way to the camp, and it's just, we're like looking over our shoulder the whole time. And I don't see anything,

but it just feels like something's watching us, you know? And we get up to the camp, and really nothing else really happened that night. That was about it. And that was my first encounter. And after that, it kind of lit a fire in me to start, like, asking other people what they've seen and start doing interviews myself, kind of like you do, but less official, you know. And I know that there was a second incident. Did Lexi want to come on and kind of share from her, her perspective?

perspective. Do you want to say anything about that encounter, Lexi? Okay. I'm a hand the phone to her. Okay. Hey, Lexi. Thanks so much for coming on. Yes, of course. Let me ask you, I mean, before you had this encounter, I know you were a listener of the show, what was kind of your feelings about the whole subject? Myself, I had heard some tellings from some family members of mine. When I was very young, about Genosquah. I had no clue what that was, really, other than a creature that was seen. But when it came to the Patterson Gimlin film, which is the one that like everybody sees,

I thought it was bogus. When I heard stories about Bigfoot, I just had the common trope idea that, you know, if there were so many, like, we would have run into some. I would say, maybe a subconscious part of my mind had opened up to the idea of different types of peoples, which is what I would consider them, whenever I started to study anthropology in college, because that also studies, you know, human development and cultures, and something that my professor had acknowledged multiple times, we has studied primatology was that we do have missing links just because we haven't found everything. She said you can't put out of your mind that we have found everything.

So whenever I heard the show, we actually spent a good amount of, I think, Thanksgiving, 2017, I believe, 2017 or 18, listening to the show, we're having a good laugh because, unfortunately, like, people's fear was translating as slightly histrionic and embezzled, or embellished, sorry. And there was one point later that night, I had laid in bed, and I was just thinking about, you know, the importance of critical thinking, and you do have to, I think it is necessary to listen to some things that have oppositional stances just because you otherwise would not be allowed to critically think. And it was hard for me to reason out once I had seen how many episodes there had been

why, let's say on average your episodes have two people, you double the amount on each episode and I was like, if you had taken a study, let's say, and a sample of 100, 200 people, the odds of every single person lying very, very slim. And it was just undeniable that there was a noteworthy amount of people that had to claim that they had seen these things. The other thing that had shocked me is a lot of these behaviors had mimicked apes. So I guess that's what kind of started my hyperfixation on this and looking into what people had said about Sasquatch online. And it even reintroduced me to some aspects of primatology and looking into their behaviors again. And I thought that maybe people mistook what they heard or they either maybe maybe.

it up or that they had maybe run into somebody and not, like, like I said, not seeing what they thought they saw. Because that actually was my first transitional conclusion, was I thought that these people are genuine and they really do believe that they saw it, but they're mistaken. but the close encounters about when I started to think there's something to this. And especially the Patterson Gimlin film, I had seen that again upscaled. That's very undeniably, what's it? Like, that's not something that was possible.

I actually consulted with a family member of mine who went to school for fashion and costume design. I asked her, mind you, she's older, but she's still well-versed. I had asked if she knew any possible way to make something like this or replicate something like this in a costume. She had said no, because you'd have to have to have something. certain amounts of gelatin, latex. It's really hard to sew in fur like that and to trim it properly. And something else, she had actually noticed the wear on Patty's thigh whenever her hand like grazes on it. And the thigh shifts and moves in a way that a costume can't do. and that changed my mind about such.

And I couldn't help but think that for somebody to have a close encounter and for it not to look like a costume would be very difficult. Yeah, and I'm glad to hear that you kind of looked into it. But now you're in a position to where you're hearing something whoop, your boyfriend's whooping back at it. And Tristan talked about it kind of being up on this cliffside. It did not sound like it was standing right at the edge of the cliffside. I'd say it was a few feet back probably where it could see us.

Definitely, whatever it was was not vocalizing at max capacity. You know, like when you can tell that someone has lowered their voice, and instead of screaming or yelling, like, it was, yes, it was a word. whoop. Tristan whoops back. It whoops. He whoops back again. It whoops. And at this point, I'm like, hey, you need to stop. I was like, please stop. And the reason was at that time, even though we have observed these behaviors, hadn't quite linked what all these cues are. and usually with primates what seemingly makes their temperament seem short is because we don't, not everybody understands something that we might see as harmless or passive as aggressive to them. Yeah, I think it's interesting that you guys caught on how quickly the forest went quiet.

I mean, to the point to where you were kind of focusing on a mouse. I wanted to ask you, Tristan, so you guys get back to camp. Does anything else happen that night? Nothing else happened that night. Nothing else. That was it. That was it. How much later was the second encounter?

The second encounter was this year. So about a year later. It's after I had gone around interviewing a lot of people. And I had met this guy. I met a couple guys. claimed to feed them and they were separate. They didn't know about each other. And they basically were both telling me the same thing on how to call them out.

So the next time I went out, I tried that. And, well, I got some results. What did they tell you to do? Basically, don't overdo it. Like, you'll see a lot of people on TV go out and they'll just scream at the top of their lungs or blare the Sierra sounds or whack every tree in sight. Basically, you whack the tree once. Think of it like a phone call, right?

You don't want back-to-back-to-back phone calls. I don't like answering people that call me back-to-back-to-back. So you do that, you do a couple whoops and you kind of do them like an orangutan's long calls. And when they're close, you pop your lip. like kind of like and you you bring apples

they really like apples and sometimes pop tarts strange as that sounds so I go back out with my cousin Lexi Lixie stayed home that time because I wanted to show my cousin where it had happened

and I didn't really expect much to happen and immediately stuff started happening so we go up on the we go back to the trail, but we go back on the side with the camp and you go by a lake to get to go up that way, right? So we were going up there and we get up to the top of the hill.

We're not even like, maybe, maybe we're a mile into the trail at this point, maybe. Not far at all, I would say. And we get to the top of the hill and there's like a clearing and then the path goes off to the left. So I do my wood knocks, I do my whoops, and I leave a bunch of apples at the first tree on the top of the hill. Me and my cousin, we take about maybe 30 paces out the trail, and this waist-high bush starts growling at us off to the left of us, and we turn to look at it. And this is the deepest growl I have ever heard in my life. It sounds like a motorcycle revving up, like it's that deep. But it's coming out of this waist.

waste high bush. And, you know, me and my cousin, you know, we're kind of stum stoners sometimes. Like, we're, we were just standing there staring at the bush that's growling out of this. No survival instinct whatsoever to run or anything. So as we're staring at it, we're trying to figure out what's growling at us. And behind us, from behind us off to the right, further up the trail. We hear what I can only describe as like caveman sounds

or like the samurai chatter kind of that you hear people talk about. It sounded like and we turn to look at that and there's nothing over there. The bush stops growling off to our left. We turn back to the bush.

Nothing detectable is happening now. We get really weirded out and we just had out the trail. And I don't know if my cousin heard this. I know he did when we got up to the camp, because we didn't go super far. We went out the trail past the camp a little ways, and then we came back to the camp. But it sounded to me like about 60 or 70 feet back.

I was hearing little cracks. Now, at this point, it was not bothering me so much. It was during the day. I was assuming it was probably like a squirrel or something. And these continued through the night. So we come back and we make camp. And I'd say make camp. We build a fire.

We didn't bring a sleeping bag or a tent or anything. My cousin tries to go to sleep because he's not used to like staying up late. I work night shift. So I'm up late all the time. So I'm keeping the fire up for him, try and keep some of the mosquitoes and stuff away. And night falls, and these cracks start getting closer. And they start circling the camp from two different directions.

And I know at this point, my cousin's hearing it too. And he's trying to sleep and he just can't because he keeps hearing them. And every time I hear one, I point the flashlight over at it and I don't see anything. But it was coming from opposite directions, circling the camp, like in unison, almost. And that keeps up till about 2 a.m. when it starts raining. And I know from the first time with my girlfriend and I, that it turns into a mud hole. So I wake my cousin up.

I'm like, hey, let's get out of here. We put the fire out. And just because I know it turns into a mud hole. And we start going back out the trail where we came in at. and we get to the, uh, get close to the area where we heard the growling and the caveman sounds. And I'm,

I take a step over this log. And I see these two self-illuminating, like glowing eyes the size of like softballs above me. Now I'm a six foot, like I'm six foot two and it was lower on the incline than us. And I was still looking at a, up at it at about a 65 degree angle. So whatever this was was tall.

And I put my flashlight on it and I point to it to try and point it out to my cousin. And as I do that, it immediately ducks behind a tree and like starts crouching down. And I'm pointing at it and it starts peeking out from behind the tree. kind of like a I could only describe like a person would do like it poke its head out and you could see its eyes but you couldn't see the head like it couldn't make out anything besides the eyes

because they were so brightly illuminated we're trying to figure out what the hell it is and then another one off to its left pops out and starts doing the same thing and it's look that one looks a little like the eyes are a little smaller but I can't make out a body at this point. Even with, I put my big flashlight on it,

like my thousand lumen flashlight, and I still couldn't make out a body. So I'm just going to, like, I just decided at this point, I'm going to assume this is what we're looking for. I'm going to assume these are Sasquatch. So I do what my friends told me to do, and they told me to talk to them like their people. And I say, like,

Hey, thanks for coming out. You know, thanks for showing yourselves. We left you the apples. We're not trying to bother you and we're going to be on our way. And as soon as I said that, the eyes vanished. So we keep going up the trail. Like, I assume that's permission to go ahead. So we get back to where I left all the apples and I would knock.

I left like a whole bag, like an entire bag of apples. All of them were gone. All of them were gone. and we make our way out the trail and I'm still here in these little cracks but this time they're like 20 feet to the left or right of us like they're getting in close and we finally get out off the trail back by the lake to the main area and we start to calm down a little we're not hearing the cracks anymore we get back to the car and it's like a two hour drive home in the dark and my cousin just falls asleep and I'm left to think about that on my own. Yeah, the glowing eyes part is kind of adventurous to me. But when you hit the same with, I mean, it's a pretty powerful flashlight, you weren't really able to make out any sort of detail?

Not really, no. I felt for a second that I could see a slight outline, like a slight, but it wasn't enough to tell what it was. but I'll tell you these eyes were glowing brighter than any deer I'd ever seen. And when you were looking at these eyes, they weren't, I'm sure you've seen eyeshine before. Are you sure they were glowing and it wasn't just eyeshine you were seeing? Yeah, yeah. Like, I live in West Virginia.

I see deer on the side of the road, fox on the side of the road, all sorts of stuff all the time. You know, it's one of the most forested states in the country. So I see animals all the time, and this was not really like anything I'd seen. Like, even when I took the flashlights off of them, they were still illuminating, like self-illuminating. And it was like a orangish color, I would say, like an amber kind of color. And it was bright. Like, it was bright even without the flashlight on them at all.

And when you hit this thing with the flashlight, I mean, you describe them. as pretty large eyes you're looking at. Probably about the size of softballs, at least. I mean, I've seen Black Bear, their eyes are not that big, you know. And just the way they were bobbing up and down, too. Like, it looked like if a dude was trying to poke his head out, you know, without being seen.

From that point was when I started talking to it. when it's like when the other sets popped out and after I was like we're going to be on our way the eyes vanished completely and we started making our way out and that's when they started pacing alongside us whatever it was

and at that point I couldn't tell you what it was for sure I would say that I was about 70, 60, 70% sure that that was Bigfoot at that point but I still hadn't seen one clearly. You know, when I very first got into this, I would hear about eyes glowing, and I was probably like you. I was like, I know, I don't know about all this stuff.

I mean, for a longest time, I was like, these people must be mistaken. They must be hitting it with a flashlight, and what they're seeing is reflection. It's kind of that eye shine reflection is what they're getting back, and they think it's glowing. but I've talked to enough hunters and, you know, other people that I trust that they'll come back and say, yeah, these eyes were absolutely glowing, which really makes no sense when you think about it, because if your eyes are glowing, you shouldn't be able to see it would blind you. That's not how any eyeball works. Tell me, did you ever go back, or was there any more incidences in this place? I'm going to tell you about one more, and it happened the next week,

because I was going out to Ohio to trade some retro video games for like this handheld PC thing. I brought my girlfriend with me. On the way back is this National Forest, so she's like, hey, let's just stop in there, we'll go check it out. You know, it's 4th of July weekend, so there's a lot of people on the trail, you know, We're going out by the lake past like past it. There's like probably I would say like 20 people on the trail total. And some people on bikes, you know, going up and down. And we get away from them a little bit, get up towards where the trailhead is where we saw the eyes and stuff.

And my girlfriend's taking some nature photography kind of deal. taking some selfies, you know, kind of just absentmindedly hanging out. And I'm kind of on edge because of what happened last week. And I saw this deer hop out in the middle of the trail. And I figure, you know, nothing's going on. But something's telling me, just don't take your eyes off this deer. So I'm watching it.

And I see what looks like this. I can only describe it as like a basketball player looking shaped wearing like an all black track suit take one running step across the trail and this trail is like 20 feet wide right it took one sprinting step across and I would say like if it were a video it would be like two frames of a video that's how fast

it was. And I see that. It does that behind this deer. The deer takes off over the hill, like immediately after this. And my brain is telling me, I didn't just see that. That didn't just happen. You got big foot on the brain. Nothing's wrong is happening. Just, you know, go ahead, you're good. And I don't know if that was a self-defense mechanism. or what? We get up to the trailhead and I tell my girlfriend like, hey, wait here. I'll try and call them out up the hill. I go up the hill about halfway to where I was last time. I do some wood knocks and do my whoops. I didn't bring any apples this time. But there was like music blaring because this was a, we found the date. It was July 3rd, 2024.

Sorry, July 5th, 24. So there were like fireworks going off over the hill, people were blaring music. Like I said, there were other people on the main trail, but nobody was on the backpacking trail like I was. So I'm about halfway up to where I did the wood knocks last time, and stuff starts cracking around me, and it feels like I'm surrounded by squirrels. That's how I would describe what it sounded like, but I don't see anything. I don't even see squirrels. But I'm hearing stuff and I'm seeing like leaves moving kind of, like something just stepped across it. But it's windy enough that I'm kind of brushing it off as just the wind, right?

I'm like, okay, well, maybe that's them. I'll go get Lexi and see what's happening, you know, see if they will come out or if anything's actually happening. And I start stepping down the trail and I get back to the area just before the trailhead, there's like a clearing. And I'm seeing through the trees this

shape that looks like the basketball player kind of dude from earlier. But I'm just thinking it's a dude in like a black hoodie. And I step down into the trail, like the clearing before the

trailhead and I'm like eight feet away from this guy and I started looking from his feet kind of like up to his face because my when I stepped down where I was even with him my eyes kind of met like his midthigh and I start looking up and I noticed that this dude's um this is just really creepy his hands were hanging beside his knees and he was standing straight up and down, like perfectly straight up and down. Like, you know how a human has like a little bit of a hunch forward? This was perfectly vertical. And as I'm looking from its hands up to its face, it vanishes.

Like, instantly. No effect. No, like, sparkle, nothing like you'd see in the movies once something turns and is invisible, right?

And I had been warned that they could do that, but I didn't believe it. I thought my friends that had claimed to be feeding them were just kind of full of shit on that, you know. It was, I just kind of froze.

I felt a, She'll run down my neck, and I just kind of froze right there. And it was within earshot of where Lexi was standing at the trailhead. So I yell for her. I tell her what just happened. I think, again, I kind of wasn't processing it fully. We go back up the hill so I could show her all the, like, activity that was going on. And we're still being surrounded by these, like, what sounds like squirrels still,

and like little branches are breaking now and it's seeming to get like a little more aggressive and she kind of gets weirded out and she's like let's get out of here so we go back and get in the car and at that point I just start sobbing because I think that's when my brain was like okay we're safe now

now I can hit you and it's when I realized that like what had just went down and I just felt like nobody would ever believe me. Like I was, I was crying my eyes out. I was driving home and just, you know, feeling the pain of what I had just experienced.

Yeah, it's kind of like, uh, what's that old saying the shoe is on the other foot? I'm just giving you a hard time, man. Um, you know, there's a lot of weird things that go on in people's encounters.

The glowing eyes is probably my number one question, because as I said earlier, if your eyes glow, you can't see you would be blind. But I've heard of other people seeing kind of what you saw, where it just vanished in front of them. I've had cops tell me that. I've had farmers tell me that. I've had pretty much everyone from all walks of life, have them seemingly vanish, which is strange.

And I would imagine it's frustrating because you didn't even get a chance. to look at the face. When I got up to its face, like when my eyes would have met with whatever those things was, that's when it vanished. But detail-wise, like, it was black,

like all black, long for, I would say, at least like six inches long, probably all over its body. Its hands were like a dark, gray, blackish. And it's like the fur

went over the back of its hand and its knuckles, but not its palms and its fingertips. And I can't tell you if it was facing me or facing Lexi at the trailhead watching her. It,

I really can't because like, I didn't see a face. I didn't see any genitals. I didn't see I couldn't make out knees, it's just human shape fur with its like hands hanging beside its knees. And like,

I noticed that like the shoulder kind of went directly into the trap kind of directly into the head. Like a hoodie. Like kind of looked like a hoodie almost like shape. So when it vanished, did it vanish like you would expect a ghost to kind of you know, vanish?

I did, it didn't move. I didn't blink. There was no effect. There, like, you know, you see, you see the predator and it's like got the like electrical kind of effect when it vanishes or like this kind of like waves and water kind of look. Or like, you know, you think of a ghost and it's kind of transparent. No, this was instantaneous vanish. And it's just nothing.

Just nothing was there. And I froze and stared at the spot just to make sure there would no nothing else happening. And I just can't explain it. I just have no words for that at all. If I hadn't had other people from my prior experiences there with me, I would feel crazy. I would feel even more crazy. Yeah, I don't think that you're crazy, Tristan. Let me ask Lexi

Lexi So when Tristan sees this thing And he comes back And he tells you Hey this thing vanished What's kind of going through your mind To be honest He didn't come

Out of this trail Saying it had vanished Okay so there's the main trail And off to the right yeah, there's a little opening and there was like a tree stump and a log and Tristan said that he was going to go up

was that a deer spot where they were just walking or is that another like old trail? No, that was a trail. That was another part. Yeah, that came, okay. So, yeah, I would say because we're on a main trail and sometimes, you know, there are smaller ones

that deviate from the main, like a main larger trail. He went up that without me. And because this was a spontaneous trip, I wasn't wearing the proper shoes. I was wearing like slip-on vans or something. And I was not equipped for it. So I was like, you can go ahead and just go up there.

I was like, there's probably ticks and stuff. There's ticks. I was not wearing bug spray So I was like, you can go up there, I'll chill down here. And what is kind of funny is I wasn't taking like, let's say conventional selfies. I had the phone set up on the stump. And on this log, I was taking funny photos. Like I was flexing.

I was crouching down. I was dancing like a jester because I'm just I'm kind of goofy like that and while I was taking these photos at one point when I go back to set the timer again

the self timer for the phone as soon as I walked up to it this giant branch across the trail on the other side within an eye shot I would say it was my 10 o'clock. A big white,

it was a sycamore tree, had fallen straight to the ground. And this was, this was a branch that stuck straight out. And it's so, it's almost as if, like, it didn't bend down,

snap, and dangle off the tree. It's like if you, how would you do, like, okay, you know what? Like a light post, or street light post stick straight out.

It's like if somebody too heavy had like held onto a street lamp and like just brought it straight down with them. It's the best way. But the way that this branch fell, I was like, you know what? Branches fall. But what I thought was so strange, though, is I felt slightly compelled to look that direction, even though I didn't hear snapping. then this tree branch just falls. But I will say, I saw absolutely nothing. I didn't see anything other than this branch falling.

I remember thinking like, well, that's weird. And only moments later, here comes Tristan. Out of the... No, you did. Well, over to the front, you had come closer to the front of the trailhead. I go in there. He's like, follow me. and actually we do have a photo.

I took a photo of the footprint because he had shown me a couple of footprints and then I heard around us some snapping. I'm just looking at stuff like we're about to leave because I did have a general feeling of something being there

and the last thing I wanted to do if we kind of frequent this spot is upset anything. I think it was that time you had told me that you had seen it. Yeah, Tristan had told me that he had seen it. And he just seemed a little out of his element. You know, we've been together about seven years. He was just acting different.

And I couldn't quite make of what he meant when he said it had disappeared. I guess I thought. he meant it sped off pretty well or, you know, just got out of sight, I guess. But yes, when we got into the car, he was kind of a mess. And that's when he told me, like, Lexi, I don't think you understand. It didn't phase out, you know, like he had said, it didn't seem to cloak. he was like as if you know you were to cut something out of a video where someone's there and someone's not like if you were to cut it was just that instantaneous you said it had disappeared yet there was

physical evidence of it being there like i said we have we do have some pictures from that day and i do have a picture of where it had crossed with that deer yeah i would love to see the photo that you guys got from that day. Let me ask you, Lexi, I mean, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's kind of your take? I will say, I have no clue. I have absolutely no clue what they are because there are, which is funny saying that I've actually looked towards apes for these behaviors, yet there is some metaphors.

physical seeming element. I personally feel like whatever we don't know about these species is like us bringing an iPhone to the 1500s. I really think that we just have such a limited understanding. It could seem magical or fantastical to us. But this same one that had vanished had left behind physical evidence. And they do act like apes. And I do believe that they are intelligent. I believe they're their own type of people. I think they have feelings.

Definitely have some kind of consciousness because I personally believe that anything you feel within your environment that you can sense, right? And they seem to like to leave gifts, they like to eat apples. That's physical. It's really hard for me to tell.

I would say, funny enough, I actually have no real clue what they are. Yeah, it's much easier to go, well, it's some sort of great ape we haven't caught up with when nothing weird happens. But when the weird stuff happens, I'm with you. It's hard to know what they are. Let me ask you, Tristan. before I ask you what Sasquatch is, let me ask you. I mean, you're in this position to where you think this is all nonsense. You think it's kind of a joke.

You know, and to your credit, it does seem kind of weird that Sasquatch would be real. But as you found out, they're very much alive and well. But you have this experience where the thing vanishes, and you're seeing some of the weird stuff, like the glowing eyes. How did this kind of affect you afterwards? I have had other encounters since in a completely different location with completely different individuals. I might share those on the podcast at a later date if you'd be okay with that. I feel like we're running a little long now anyways. Yeah, of course.

Including all those other encounters, like, I don't know if you've watched any of what's been going on at Congress with like the alien stuff. My feelings on it now are that it is a type of non-human intelligence. And it is one of the first that we've been able to kind of interact with. And it's very strange. But, you know, anything that's as smart as us

that's grown up apart from us is going to be something we don't understand, you know? So I kind of feel like it all plays into, Like, it's ridiculous for us to believe that we were the only intelligent life forms in the universe or even on this planet, in my opinion. So are you thinking it's something more like an alien from space as opposed to a non-human primate we haven't caught up with? I mean, I don't know if you've ever heard of Terrence McKenna, but a huge. He's got this kind of lecture where he says, you know, what is an alien? At the end of the day, an alien is anything you don't understand.

Is any kind of creature or being that you don't get? So by definition, yeah, I guess it's an alien. Even if it's from this planet, I still don't understand it. even, you know, even after having multiple encounters after this, I still don't understand it. Like I said, they seem physical, they leave footprints, they eat, they eat, you know, in my mind, an extra-dimensional alien doesn't like apples, you know what I mean? But who knows? Who knows?

They could. They could. Yeah, it's so hard to know what they are. And you're right, I mean, they leave behind. John Bendernagle used to always say, trace evidence, they leave behind, you know, footprints, that sort of thing, Scott. They do appear to eat. There's a lot of reports of them running down deer, but then you get into this weird stuff.

And I'm like, I'm like you, Trist, and I, you know, I don't know. I really don't know what's going on. If it's one guy saying it, you can go, okay, this guy's crazy. but when it's multiple people saying it, I mean, it makes you stop and go, I have no idea. It's fascinating to me to have someone on the show who was extremely skeptical to the point to where they're goofing on anything Bigfoot,

and then they experience it. Not only do they experience it, but they experience the weird stuff. And I really appreciate you coming on and kind of sharing what happened to you. Yeah, yeah, no problem. and I would love to be back for a part two at some point or I'd tell everything else that's happened

because, I mean, I've seen a lot and I've seen a lot just this year. Like I said, all this has happened just this year. So it's pretty fresh in my memory. I'm not having to dig back far. Yeah, we'll have to do a part two. And I want to thank Lexi as well for coming on. Lexi, thank you so much for taking the time to come on.

and I really enjoyed chatting with you. Yes, of course. Like I said, we love listening to your show. I myself have listened to probably about 900 episodes or so. It's been great hearing people's story. And it is nice to see that, you know, there is a place to talk about it.

Because one thing I will say, it has felt like a blessing in a way, encountering something that some people search for many years. Yeah, even sometimes their whole life. lives and having so many encounters as exciting as it is in a way, the more that I've had, it's also felt like a curse because it feels like less I can talk about. That makes sense. So it's really awesome what you do.

Yeah, well, I really appreciate the kind words and thank you again. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance to check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone.