Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1131 The Devil's Promenade

Episode Date: February 16, 2025

Ernest writes "This encounter takes place in 2001 in Ottawa County, Oklahoma. I was 16 years old. I am 40 now. My three younger sisters and I were coming back from visiting our baby cousin who was recently born. It was about 10 pm driving down the road and headed back home. We see a figure walking down the side of the road, just casually. I mentioned to my sister in the front seat it was awful late to be walking down a dark road without any type of lights. I slow down as I come up behind him. He stood about 9 to 10 feet tall with almost a dark fur coat. He slowly turned his head, and he had the evilest yellow eyes I have ever seen. By this time, my younger sisters are in the back seat screaming and crying, saying don't stop Ernie. I proceed to lock the doors and speed off. To this day we all have the same story. My sister's age at the time is 15 8 6." We will also be speaking to Sara. Sara writes "I was driving in Kansas somewhere just a few miles from Norton. It was about 730 in the morning, the sky was clear blue, no wind, just cold. Out of the blue I felt something hit the back end of my car. It hit me hard enough to look in my rear view mirror…I saw nothing. Then I looked in the Sideview mirror and saw something that looked to be about the size of a small pony or large dog…running across the road. The fields were empty, just fences and fields getting ready to be planted. I got a clear view of it. It had long flowing brown and white hair, like what you would see on an Afghan hound. On the whole body, my brain immediately thought I should stop because I assumed it was a dog. In the middle of nowhere then I saw where the head should be and my brain couldn't compute at all, because it was a human face looking right at me as it ran across the road. I do not understand what I saw but the vision is clear in my head two weeks later….my son thinks it was a skin walker, or dog man…but I don't really believe in that so I am not sure what to think…I am just curious if there have been any other similar sightings in the area or if I saw something that I just can't explain. I would love your opinion."

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What are you reporting? Jesus Christ, you better. Care? See them. Hello? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir?

That's sort of a bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see him now, sir? Yes, I'm looking. And I'm Mercedes. We're looking for a guy with big feet, six eight, brown eyes, always hides. We found him on our favorite podcast. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight.

Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Ernest. and Ernest comes to us from Oklahoma. And back 25 years ago, he's 16 years old going down the road with his sisters in the car when they see this creature on the side of the road. And Ernest was shocked when he saw it. It's something that has stuck with him throughout his whole life. And we'll also be chatting with Sarah.

And Sarah comes to us from Kansas. And two weeks ago, she's driving home. and something hit her car. And when she looked back, she thought it was a dog. But she said it had a human face and it's really bothered her. And I'll let her go into it. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com.

And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com, you can become a member and get additional shows. Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Ernest to the show. Ernest thinks for coming on. Hey, thanks for having me, man. I look forward to sharing the story with you guys. Yeah, I'm happy to have you.

If you would, kind of take us back. We're going back almost 25 years ago out there in Oklahoma. What were you doing and what happened? Well, man, I've got some cousins who live out in town of Peoria. she just had her oldest son, which he'd be about 24, 25 now. We went out there on spring break to go visit the baby. It was about normal evening, me and my three sisters.

I was 16, the other one was 15, and 8 and 6 were in the back seat, and we were driving back home to Commerce, home with Nikki Madel of anybody watching baseball. Going back through, we were in between Peoria and Quapawpaw, getting ready to hit Interstate 44. There's an overpass. Heading down the road, and I just noticed something, about 150, 200 yards in front of us on the other side of the road

headed walking with my flow of traffic. And I looked at my sister, it was 50 and time. And I looked at her and said, Melissa, I said, it's off the way for a guy to be walking down the road with no type of lights because it's like 10 o'clock at night. And she's like, yeah, or she's like, yeah, I mean, that is kind of crazy. And the two younger sisters in the backseat were just kind of talking amongst themselves,

no big deal. And get closer to it, the creature or the shadow, it just starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And I look at my sister, and I'm like, are you seeing what I'm seeing? And she's like, yeah, that's kind of crazy. And get a little bit closer. Then I noticed that the fur, it had fur in it stood about. nine to ten feet tall, just kind of knowing something's not right at this point. We're just kind of like, I look at her and she looks at me and she's like, at this time,

the two sisters in the back seat, they're starting to freak out. They don't know what they're seeing. And at this point, I'm starting to slow down just to try to figure out what's going on. And at this point, when we get probably, I'd say probably 10, 15 yards from it. and it stops, turned around, looks at us, the eyes were yellow, just the craziest yellow I've ever seen. And it just stops, takes a look at us. And my two sisters in the back seat are screaming, don't stop, don't stop, Bernie, go, go, go. And at this point, I'm telling them, just be quiet, lay down in the floorboard, and we're going to get by this.

And it looked at us for about, I'd say probably five to ten seconds, just took off and walked into the woods and didn't kind of. to get run, didn't do anything. It was just kind of, just kind of surreal that it just kind of looked out as solace, walked in the woods, and at that point, they were scared, and I sped off, and we drove on down the road and got back home, and it was just one of the most surreal stories that I have ever seen. And like I said, we just, we talked about it until every year around the time that it came around. And then, unfortunately, the sister who was in the front seat, she passed away in 2023 to due to cancer and we had always

talked about going down to Hanobia to the Big Court Festival and life got in away. We never got a chance to get down there and it was one to tell her story down there and one last thing I told her course she passed was that I would continue to tell the story and make sure that it continues to be sold and

as many people can hear it. But like I said, the other two sisters accused to pull them aside and asking the same questions. They still to this day being eight and six and other they're in their 30s will corroborate the story 100% to what happened

that night, which is, it's just insane. Yeah, once you see one of these creatures, it's hard to let it go. I mean, it will stay with you for the rest of your life. This thing sounds like it was pretty close. I mean, it's, I don't know how many feet that is, but it's basically on the other side of the road.

What were some things that kind of stay with you today? When you kind of look back at that moment as far as like the creature's features or is there anything that kind of stays with you? Yeah. You know how you're driving on the road. You got the flow of traffic going north and south or we'll just use north and south of the beacon.

It was on the actually the other side of the road, on my side of the road, walking as it would be coming the other direction. But walking towards, walking the same direction I was, I would say, you know, probably from one side of the road to the other, I would say probably no more than 10, 15 feet. It was, like I said, it was about nine foot tall and just had the dark, it was dark brown fur and yellow eyes. I mean, it was nighttime and, you know, the headlights on it. It kind of got that like, when the headlights hit it, it froze kind of like a deer, you know, but definitely wasn't a deer. You know, deer freezing the headlights when they get caught.

And I think that's what happened. It got frozen the headlights, and it was just one of those just coincidental things. and like I said, it stared at us, and we made eye contact with it. Like I said, noticed yellow eyes. At 10, 15 seconds, it looked at us, and then just kind of felt that we weren't any kind of danger to it. And he just walked off into the, walked off into the woods and walked like the human, you know, kind of like a big tall basketball player and just was just big long strides. And I'm 40 now.

and it was still like it happened yesterday. You know, the thing that stayed with me the most was the yellow eyes. And like I said, it could have been just from the headlights. But I said, and you know, honestly, the typical feature, the one thing that did stand out, it was like, you know how you see on the TV shows and things like that, where they do show the, like the artist's rendering of Bigfoot. They were almost, it seemed like it was almost uncanny like that. I mean, I don't know if it, if you could really compare it to that.

But it was one of those features that the way that the CGI of things create, create a Bigfoot. I mean, that is one of the things that I do think that they are portrayed very accurately within CDI and things like that. When you saw this thing, Ernest, did you get the impression you were looking at more of a man? Or did you get the impression you were looking at more of an animal? It was more of an animal. I mean, you can tell by just the fur, the, the,

It had a, it had a, it had human features, walked like a human, had all the characteristics, but I mean being just abnormally tall and the, just the fur, if you know a human doesn't have fur. So, I mean, and it was just, you can definitely tell it wasn't a man. You can definitely tell it wasn't human. But it didn't run. It didn't like make a break. It didn't do anything. It just kind of turned around, looked at us, like I said, the 10, 15 seconds.

After that, it turned its head. walked off into the, walked off into the, into the woods. So, I mean, it was just kind of, it was, it was random because all the stories that I've heard that people see it,

the big foot to lead to throw rocks, do whatever, thump trees, but, and, and then scurry off. It, it didn't scurry off.

It just kind, it just casually walked off. Like, like, hey, we ran into it, passed us and just said, hey,

uh, nice to see you. And we parted on ways and went on, went on with our business. Yeah, the behavior that you're describing and most eyewitnesses describe doesn't really sound like an animal. I mean, you would think an animal would bolt off or would take off running. And these things don't. Maybe it wasn't too worried about you guys.

You know, when you were looking at that eyes, you were describing the yellow eyes. And I know you've seen eyeshine out there in Oklahoma. Do you think it was eyeshine as far as what you were seeing? or did you kind of get the impression like the eyes were glowing? That's something that it is kind of hard to describe. I wouldn't necessarily say they were glowing. I do think it had something to do with the lights. And I do think it had something to do with the headlights

because, like I said, the eye shine and everything like that. And like I said, usually when the eyes shine on like a deer or something like that, they're usually green and a different kind of tone where you know kind of like you catch an animal, catch it like a dog or a cat. the ice or red or green or whatever. This was just something completely different than. So I do think a lot of, I do think there, I would say it's probably 50-50, a glow and a shine because, like I said, you do catch animals off guard, and their eyes do shine,

do you light. But like I said, it was just something I'd never seen before. So I'm going to, I'm going to, me logically thinking, I'm going to think, I'm going to give it a 50-50 split on that. And this obviously had an impact on you. You were 16 when this happened to you. and here we are 25 years later still talking about it. How did it kind of impact you?

I mean, it kind of changed my life. Like I said, I've always thought things logically. Like I said, I'm going to school, preparing for law school, things like that. So I have to look at things logically and be to have a definite answer. And it was just one of those things that it just casted a doubt of there are things out there that we don't actually know about. and it's just crazy to think that this could be the missing link between us and primature, whatever. It honestly changed my life to open up my mind to where the possibility of cryptodology and things like that do kind of real and Native American mythology. What did the Native American see when they came here before us?

What was going on whenever before we got here? And like I said, that whole experience has shaped it from the time I'm 16 until now. I try to consume as much cryptozoology, things like that, as much as I can, get into the Native American mythology, watch TV shows by Bigfoot, podcasts, books, things like that. I try to connect with other people who have had other sightings and everything like that. And that's how I got connected to the BFRO, shared the story with them. And then they kind of said Carter from the BFRO reached out to me. And we spoke.

And like I said, they've got it posted on their site. And they gave it a Class A siting, which is according to them, their most credible, their most credible sightings with documented different people and everything. And like I said, it's just opened up a whole new world. There are things out there that we don't actually know that it kind of, and makes this makes the human existence small in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, that's actually a great way to put it. I don't know that I've heard it put that way before.

Did you guys ever go back to the spot where you saw the creature? Yeah, we actually, we go back, we pass it all the time, you know, like I said, that's one of those, like I said, it's in between, um, between Quapal and, uh, Peoria, which is Quapua, named after the Quapal and in tribe. that was moved here from Trail of Tearoteer, things like that. And there's a lot of paranormal activity. Crypto stuff goes on out in that area. I mean, they have a spook light out there, which is probably five miles from there, which is a ball of light that has never been actually determined.

And like I said, we've got, like I said, you've got Native Americans who believe in the skin walkers and the wind that goes and things like that. And you hear stories about that all the time, little people, things like that, dear ladies. I mean, there's all kinds of stories that tie into big foot and like I said, the skin walkers and things like that. So, I mean, it's just we go out there, we're out there probably two or three times a week. So, I mean, it's not a, it's a place that

that we actually go out there and visit on a regular occurrence. Yeah, that light you're talking about, I know it's called the Joplin light. I know it's also called, it's called, it's called the Hornet light, isn't it? The Hornet Spook Light. Yep, that's exactly what I'm, that is exactly what I'm speaking of, the Hornet Spook Light. And Ernest, isn't that near what the locals call the Devil's Promenade? The Devil's Promenade is actually the, is actually the park up there by the Koppel Pail Ler grounds. As you're coming around the bin, there are Kloopal Pilew grounds in there, and that's kind of where the deer lady and the, and the little people

and everything, there's little people's bridge. But the Devil's Promenade is the actual bridge. It go across the Spring River, and then you've got the Lovers Leap, where the Native Americans believe that a warring tribes, a male and a female, they got together, and their family didn't want them, so they jumped up into the river to their death, and there's actually a, in then Burgo ground, just about 150 feet from that rock to where they said that they jumped off into the Spring River. Yeah, I had a truck driver on the show one time. He was a long-haul truck driver. And I asked him, you know, what was the weirdest thing he's ever seen? And he starts talking about this deer woman that he saw on the side of the highway,

half woman, half deer and completely black eyes and completely nude. I mean, it was one of the weirdest stories I'd ever heard. And I thought, no, you know, I don't know what to make of that. And then I got contacted actually from the Cherokee and the Seneca in your area. And they kind of described to me what that dear woman is. and there's a long history of it, that entity, whatever it is. It sounds like a demon to me. But have you ever seen the Hornet Spook Lights?

I have actually seen a spook light a couple of times. Like I said, now the county sheriffs have got that road blocked off to where you don't actually can't get down there. The sheriff kind of because a lot of kids get on their drink and do all kinds of stuff that normal teenagers do that we've all done. So I have seen it twice. Do you mind sharing with us? what you saw? Yeah, I've got all the time you need. Yeah, there's several different legends to what that, what they think it is. Some people think it's like a natural ball of gas that kind of floats in the air. And then scientific, they've been trying to prove it scientifically for as long as I can remember. And they can't.

But, I mean, this is going back into the, I want to say the 40s and the 50s that people were going out there on this stretch of road and setting out there with their headlights off. watching this ball of light bounce around out in the field. And it's actually happened to come in to come up into cars and bounce on the hood, do whatever. But it's some people say it's an old Native American chief looking for his head, a miner who, a minor who lost his head in a mining accident, a Native American chief looking for his family that were slaughtered by the white people. There's a bunch of different Native American or a different kind of miss behind a the actual spook light is. I mean, some people say it's headlights

from the, from the local, the interstate passing by there, which the interstate's a good 15 miles from where it's at. So, I mean, it's just kind of a weird, it's in an area like we call it the devil's hollow. And,

I mean, there's a lot of crazy things that goes out there. There was a, just all kinds of weird, just hard to explain. But the spook light is just one of those things that honestly, if anybody gets a chance to get down here, look at it. It's one of those things that people do need to see. It's just, it's hard to describe

what it actually is. But it's the most fascinating thing you'll ever see in your life. You're not scared of it. I mean, it's just kind of like, am I really seeing this? Am I, am I stroking out? Am I what's going on here? And then by the time you realize what it is, it'll bounce around for, you know, anywhere from 45 seconds to five minutes and then it's gone. And then you can go out there on nice and you'll never see it and it's just kind of hit her a miss if you see it. I do feel that there's something a little paranormal kind of

going on with it. So it's hard to explain because unless you see it, I feel it's paranoid, it has a little bit of a paranormal activity to it. Yeah, I agree with you, Ernest. I think that there's something paranormal with the lights. I don't think that it's natural.

I don't think a gas is created and this ball of light is, you know, a ball of gas flying around. I think there's more going on there than just, you know, something random happening. And I know it's old hat because you live there, but you guys have this area where more often than not, this light is being seen. And it does date back. I think it goes back to like the 1800s is when it was very first being reported. And even if you go look up pictures of the Hornet Spook light, you'll notice people like in the 40s and 50s in the picture. you know, the car, the way they're dressed, taking pictures of this light that they're seeing.

And I think it's fascinating, too, especially in that area, because you'll find all the weird stuff in Oklahoma. It's usually around areas called like the Devil's Promenade or, as you mentioned, the Devil's Hollow. And the locals keep that term for that area. And more often than not, it wasn't named by the locals. They're taking a Native American word, and it kind of translates that way to, you know, like the devil's hollow. And it's always in areas like that. You see weird stuff like this.

Yeah. And like I said, getting back onto that, like getting back into the Sasquatch story of it, my cousin, who, her brother, the brother of the, of our, the uncle to the baby that we went and seen, actually, I want to say he, he tells a story of,

about him actually seeing a Sasquatch in the area of the devil's promenade when he was going home and he caught the headlight and he saw it actually jump into the river, jump off the bridge into the river and swim on down the river. So he tells that story, too, and that happened probably two or three months before we actually seen it. Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. And I really appreciate you sharing that. There's so much that comes out of Oklahoma.

You know, Ernest, I asked everyone on the show, what do you think Sasquatch is? What's kind of your take? Man, that is a good question. I have never honestly been asked that. But if you're putting down a spot for an answer for something like that, I do look at it being something like a, I honestly think it could be that missing link that everyone's looking for

between us and the primate. Is it, if we do catch it or do come across a body or concrete evidence, I do think that's going to be the missing link between us and primates. It's just hard to describe. But honestly, if you were asking me right now and you wanted me to give you a nilled down answer, I do think that is our missing link. Yeah, I know a lot of people feel that way. And it just amazes me that it's so hard to catch up with.

You know, if you asked me, do I want to track a man or do I want to track an animal, I'll take a man all day long. I don't think it would be hard to track and kind of hunt down. I don't want to use the word hunt down, but you know what I mean? Like, it wouldn't be that hard to really catch up with another human being. Animals is a little bit tougher. And with these things, it's like no one can catch up with it. And it just, it's mind-boggling to me.

But what's your take on that? Why we can't seem to catch up with it? I honestly, why I think that is, I think it has to, because I think because it has the attributes of a man and it has the attributes of an attributes of an animal because, I mean, you know, man, we have tendencies to where, you know, we can track and study and how we're going to follow us that pattern and do different things along the way while an animal is completely unpredictable. So I think that with that way, with it having the cross between man and animals, so it just kind of gives us that unpredictability. and it's just hard. I mean, you know, granted that we have, I never found like a dead body of a of a Sasquatch

or anything like that. And I do believe they hold funerals and bury them kind of like humans do of their dead. So, I mean, it's just, it's, I think it has a lot to do with the cross between men and animal. It has both those characteristics in it, and it plays to those strings on each side. So it's just one of those,

one of those things that just kind of, it's going to continue to baffles until we actually, actually capture one or come across the body or something like that. Yeah, it's hard to argue with you on that. There's a lot of times where they do stuff and it's like it seems very manlike. And then there's other times where they do stuff and it seems very much like an animal. If you had the chance, would you ever want to see another one? Yeah, actually, I do.

I mean, I've actually honestly tried to see me. I still go out there and look, still go out there and look. Jumping on getting back to try to see another one. My parents actually live down around the Grand Lake area to where there's been big foot sightings down there. And my dad claims he saw one in the road down by their house. And I go out there, take a look. My eight-year-old nephew at the time went out with his BB gun and was like to shoot pop shots at

hands and things like a normal you're able to be begun you know how that is and uh human later my mom told me the story he comes back in the house and he's like being wrong he's like there's some there's some problem going on out here and she's like well what's that and he he he would never verbalize what it was and then they were flipping through tv and when the bigfoot they a bigfoot show came across the tv and as of the story with me and my three sisters they just kind to stop to try to hear it and when that big flash on the screen and uh my year old nephew said meanwhile that's what's out there in the woods and it scared me so i go out there and i've got trail cam set up um out on mom and dad's 10 acres to try to catch one and we just haven't

got conclusive evidence of actually seeing it on the trail cam yeah let me know if anything happens out there and i really appreciate you taking the time to come on the show and share it kind of in your sister's memory too. I'm so sorry that she passed away. But I really do appreciate your time. I appreciate you taking the time and reaching out to me and having me on. And I look forward to hearing more about the stories that you share on your podcast. I actually subscribe to it on Spotify. So I do check it out and listen to them when they drop. So look forward to hearing this one when it comes out and spread in the word to get more people in this area listening to it. They're kind of excited to hear our conversation and everything else, man.

I do appreciate you reaching out to me, getting back to me and having me on the show. Thanks again, Ernest. Next up on the show, I want to welcome Sarah. Sarah, thanks for coming on. It's great to be here. Yeah, and you had this encounter. It's very recent. It's only been about two weeks.

And it happened out there in Kansas. Before this encounter happened to you, what was kind of your feelings on Sasquatch? I don't really believe in Bigfoot or Tupacabra or any of that kind of stuff because I know there's a lot of people that have seen stuff like that, so I know there has to be something there, but I just, unless I see something, I'm not going to believe in it. Yeah, I think a lot of people might feel that way.

I think that's kind of the general consensus among people. I think people have to see it, you know, to really believe it. If you would, take me back two weeks ago, what were you doing and what happened? So I was driving back from Missouri, and it was like 7 o'clock in the morning. It was a really pretty clear day. I was just driving. My kids are sleeping in the back. And out of nowhere, I felt something hit the back of my car, and it hit it's hard enough to,

so it almost made the car jump. Like, it moved the car. And I immediately looked in my rearview mirror because obviously I was trying to figure out what that was, and I didn't see anything. And then I looked in the side view mirror, and I saw this weird... I don't even know what it was.

It was like a brown and white creature with long, flowing hair, almost like an... Afghan hound. And I've never seen an Afghan hound in real life. I've only seen them in pictures, but that's the closest thing I can get to to what it looked like. But the hair was like long and flowing and whatever it was. It was so graceful. It almost looked like it was floating, not running. But as it ran across the road, it was just, it was, it was so surreal. And I was like, oh, I better stop because I got to make sure that dog is okay because I thought it was a dog and then I looked at the front and it was it was like a human face I'm not even it looked it looked like a

human is looking at me but it was a dog or I mean I don't even know what I don't know what it was but I asked my son I decided I'm not stopping because I didn't know what that was and I was too scared. I was too scared to stop. But I asked my son when he woke up about an hour later, and I told him what I'd seen, and he goes, oh, that's a skin walker. And I've never in my life even heard of skin walkers. So I looked it up. And actually, if you, if you see a picture of a skin walker, some of them actually looked like what I saw, but I mean, I have, I have no idea. I have no idea what that was because it wasn't, it wasn't human, and it wasn't a dog. I mean, it was big enough to be almost the size of a small horse or a pony, like, bigger than a great thing. That's how big

it was. When you saw this creature, was it on all fours or was it on two legs? Oh, it was on four. It literally looked like a human face. And the only thing I distinctly remember about it was that its mouth was like wide open, which I don't, I don't know. My brain is trying to compute it and say, this is a dog, but dogs don't have human faces. Yeah, I think anytime you see something strange, the brain tries to fill in the gap or make sense of what you're actually seeing. What made you think of it being a dog? Was it because it was on all fours and the hair? Because when I first saw it, It looked like an African hound. It was, the hair was so long and flowing.

Almost like, you've seen African hounds where the hair was like really long. Almost like the mane on a horse. That's how long it was. So it was like there was, I don't know. It's, it's picture, I can picture it in my head perfectly. It was bigger than a Great Dane, smaller than a horse, a pony. I mean, I've had, I could have ridden it, and that's how big it was. But the, the, another thing, when it crossed the road, it was, it was running across the road, there was nothing on that side of the road.

There was, it was just an empty field with fences. There was no, everything was clear, so I got a clear, clear view of it. And even though it was behind me, I could see, like, every detail. It's almost like it was, you know, like when somebody's in a lot of pain and their face looks kind of twisted like they're, you know, wincing. That's what it looked like. It looked like it was in pain and it was wincing when it looked at me. Its mouth was wide open and I don't remember seeing any ears or hair on its head only on the body. So the head didn't even match what was on the body.

so there was no hair on its head. There's almost like I was seeing two different creatures that were like fused together. I don't know. I wouldn't even believe it if I didn't see it myself. Yeah, it's unnerving to see one of these things, you know, and it does do kind of a makes your brain almost like reset. You know, your brain is trying to tell you what you're seeing and your eyes are telling you you're seeing something very different from

the way it's communicating with your brain. I get it, you know, and it is weird to see, you know, like kind of what you're describing. When I very first read your email, I was thinking, oh, I wonder if she ran into a dogman. And I know you're not really into the subject, but it's a different type of creature that people see. I think it's more of a demonic entity. But when people see that, they'll always say that the head was like a wolf. they'll describe it more like a werewolf. Kind of what you're describing sounds more like a Sasquatch.

I mean, even its behavior, I've heard of them doing this before from other eyewitnesses. They've reported this sort of behavior where they're coming across and they'll either slap or kind of hit the back of your car as they keep on going. Do you think it hit your car or do you think it kind of slapped it as it was going by? I mean, it hit hard enough for me to look in the rearview mirror, so I think it hit me. I think it was running and it hit me. But the reason I didn't stop, the reason I decided against stopping is because when I saw the face, I actually felt like that thing isn't natural. It's not. I mean, I know I said I don't believe in weird or creatures or whatever, but I do believe in the spirit world.

and that thing was not of this world. That's what I felt. It just felt evil. Like, I can't even describe it other than I knew I knew I shouldn't stop. That's what my brain told me, just don't stop, just keep going. I mean, if it was a dog, I would have stopped. If it was a deer or something, I would have stopped. But something told me not to stop.

The body of this creature, was it more of a body of a canine? Yeah, which is why, I mean, it looked like an Afghan hound on the whole body, but it was as big as a greyhound. Great, or I mean, not a great hound, a great dane. But it ran like a, I mean, it was like a mix of all those dogs, but it ran on all fours. So it wasn't the, I mean, I thought Sasquatch was two-legged, you know, or did they run on all fours? Yeah, most of the reports from my way. Witnesses when they're in a full sprint, they're generally on four legs. They can pop up and walk around like we do. But there's a lot of reports, especially when they're in a full, and this thing sounded like it was in a full sprint. They're generally on four legs. You always hear hunters go, you know, I don't believe in Bigfoot, but I saw this weird bear. And most of the time when they're describing it, it's on four legs, but they're describing a Sasquatch. Nothing about it sounds like a bear.

But to answer your question, yeah, I mean, they're on two legs as much as they're on four legs. Or it's reported for my eyewitnesses to be the case. I don't want to talk like I have one in my garage. But it was brown and white. It wasn't dark. Yeah, when eyewitnesses report seeing these creatures, they're never just dark. There's many reports of them being white. gray. Sometimes people say gray like a coyote. I would say probably the most common color,

most eyewitnesses report is Auburn, kind of that reddish color. But, you know, they do come in black, kind of that Auburn color, white, light gray. So it's not, again, it's not just all black. You know, I wasn't there. What do you think it was? A demon? I don't know. I mean, my brain can't even compute what that was because it's hard for me to try to describe something that I don't necessarily believe in, but I saw. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes complete sense.

You know, after the encounter and you were able to kind of stop the car and take a look at it, was there any damage? to the car? No, there is nothing. And that's what, that's something else that I'm like, well, it hit me hard enough for, to sway the car, but there's no damage. How is that even, how is that even possible? Yeah, surprisingly, this sort of encounter happens a lot. I interviewed a guy one time. He was in, I believe it was Missouri. And he was kind of heading down this country road. And he's moving pretty quick. And he, he, he, kind of the same situation you found yourself in Sarah. His whole car jerked like something broadsided him. And he was shook up for a second because he thought he ran over something. But, you know, when you're driving a car, you can see what you're running over. There was nothing in front of him.

It's like the whole car just got jerked almost out of its lane. And he saw something very similar to what you saw. It wasn't on all fours, though. The one that he saw was actually up on two legs and it was moving. But you do hear about this sort of behavior, which is weird because for an animal that's so elusive and that no one can seem to catch up with, you hear this behavior. They'll either run right in front of a car or kind of do what they did to your car where it's at the very end and people will see it in their rear view mirror. and it makes me wonder sometimes if it's younger ones, if it's juveniles, because most of the time you don't hear about King Kong coming across the road and doing this.

What people are seeing is big, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't quite come across as, you know, like King Kong, like a full-grown alpha male pulling this sort of thing. I don't think it was a Skinwalker. I get kind of why you might go down that route. I think most of the time, I was going to say most of the time you find the Skinwalker stuff in the Southwest is kind of, it's Native American witchcraft is really what it is and, you know, where the Skin Walker comes from. You know, being that this was such a weird moment, have you ever gone back to that, that

spot where it happened? I mean, I've, I've driven on that road so many times because my family lives in Missouri. and this is the first time I've ever seen anything even remotely resembling that picture. So I've never, before two weeks ago, I've never, I've never even experienced any of this. You know, Sarah, you had made a comment earlier that this might have been something more spiritual in the sense that you felt like it was evil, like there was something wrong with this thing. what made you feel that way beyond its freakish look? It was more the sense of evil that emanated off of it.

I don't know how to describe that other than it just felt wrong. Like if you were to go into a laboratory and see and they were experimenting with creating human animal hybrids, that would be something that was wrong. This felt like that. Whatever that was was just wrong. It wasn't meant to be there. is what it felt like. It just felt evil. And I've...

I've had other encounters with... You know, where I just sensed evil, but I didn't see anything in those encounters. So I don't really know other than I just felt like it was evil. I mean, when I think about it, it actually kind of scares me, and I'm not really a scared kind of person.

I'll walk around in the dark all the time, but whatever that was just is unnerving, so it's trying not to think about it too much because I'll get scared and be like, what was that thing? I just, I mean, I was thinking Skinwalker, but it just doesn't quite fit. So, I mean, for all I know, it could be a Sasquatch, because, I mean, there's enough people on this planet that have seen Sasquatch

that there has to be something there. They're not all just seeing something or nothing. So, I mean, it could have easily been that if I think about it hard enough. But I just don't know. Can I ask you, and not that I disagree with you, but why did your brain keep going with Skinwalker? What was it about it that made you think it might have been a Skinwalker? Because when I was talking to my son about it and I described it, I guess his wife,

has run into skin walkers before and when I described it to her that's what she told me it was so between the two of them I just you know well maybe that's what it was

but I mean it didn't quite look like one of them because they're just too it's not what it looked like to me to me it looked more like a saskatch than a skin walker except for the face I mean I just I can't the face is what gets me

because it was human, like it wasn't animals. Yeah, and I can tell you that's most people's hang up is the face. In fact, most of the time when I ask people, what do you think Sasquatch is? Probably the number one answer is somewhere between a man and an animal. Because, you know, the face throws people off. And the roadside crossings have always confused me. I ask the same question every time. You know, if it would have waited just a few seconds and then crossed,

you probably would have never seen it. But they don't. They, for whatever reason, they seem to play chicken with cars. It's strange. Still baffles me. Well, there was a few years back where I was talking to a self-proclaimed witch. That's what she called herself. And I was describing another encounter I had with her and of something completely different.

But she told me that she thought, I had a third eye or whatever, and that, like, these creatures can sense that. And that's why they come to people, like, with, I don't know anything about the third eye. I haven't really researched it a lot. So I don't know if that's just something she made up or whatever, but, I mean, maybe he just sensed that I could see him and other people couldn't, and maybe that's why he jumped out. Because I don't think a lot of people, I think the spirit world or the demonic world or whatever is all around. us, we just can't see it, where the vast majority of people cannot see it.

Maybe because they don't believe, maybe because they're not open to it. And then other people like me, I guess, I'm in tune to it or whatever, so I can see things that other people can't. What happened that made you go to a witch? She was just somebody I worked with, and I was talking to her about an encounter. But, you know, I was laying in bed, and it was dark. I was trying to sleep. My husband was supposed to be home in about an hour.

And I was just waiting for him, and I fell asleep. And then I just, I heard him come up the stairs. I heard him take his boots off. I literally felt him sit on the edge of the bed. I heard and saw all of that. And then I sat up and I talked to him, where I tried to talk to him, but he wasn't there. he hadn't even come in the house he wasn't even home he was still at work

so I was trying to talk to her about that because I don't believe in ghosts either but what was that I mean and I was trying to talk to her about that encounter and she was like oh well you know and that's what she told me but there was a couple other that was where my um where the first encounter I had with the evil

that feeling of evil that just overwhelmed the whole house. And I can't describe that either. It's just the whole, that whole house just felt evil. And I ended up taking it, taking it apart. Because it was a fifth wheel trailer, I ended up just, because it just felt evil, I just took it apart so it wouldn't mess with anybody else, because the ghosts that I don't believe in, I felt like they haunted it. I mean, I don't know what I felt there either. To me, I just, people tell me, well, maybe you were dreaming. Maybe. Maybe. you were asleep, but I was wide awake.

I was wide awake. I don't, I, I've never really believed in ghosts, but when I had that fifth wheel trailer, there was something in that trailer where you could feel something that hated you that was there. That's what I felt the whole time I was living in that trailer. I just felt like something wanted me out. Was there anything else that happened in that trailer? That was where I actually had the first encounter with that kind of thing that I've ever had before.

And that particular time was like four months before the ghost encounter. But I was just laying in bed, sleeping, and I just, out of nowhere, I just woke up. And I looked at the clock, and it was 12.03, and I tried to move, and I couldn't move, because something was just pressing down on me like it was suffocating me to the point where I couldn't even breathe at all. And I tried to move my foot to kick my husband to get him to help me, but I couldn't even move my, I couldn't move my, I couldn't move at all. I was completely paralyzed and people have told me, well, that's sleep paralysis, but I just, I don't buy that because while I was, while I was in that state, I just felt that evil that was in that house. house permeating everything. I literally, I felt like that evil was trying to kill me. I literally felt like it was trying to kill me because I was suffocating I couldn't move at all. I literally thought

I was going to die. And I think that was my first experience or first two experiences were in that house with all that evil. And before then, I never even believed in any of, I didn't even believe in the spare world much either. This has stuck with me for the last... I mean, I'm 48 now, and that happened when I was 24. So it's stuck with me for 24 years. It still brings terror if I think about it, and I try not think about it, because of those three experiences, those are the only three evil experiences I had that

terrified me. So, I mean, even right now thinking about it, I'm like, uh, I'm so I'm so glad I tore that house down because it was so the evil was just permeating it. Yeah, I was wondering if you had found something when you were kind of tearing the place apart. Makes you wonder what was going on there before you moved in, but you ended up just kind of tearing apart the fifth wheel? Yeah, my daughter passed away in that house. She was eight months old. and she passed away like six months after that experience

and I just felt like that evil was what killed her and I don't know if it died, I don't have any idea because she, they have no, they cannot tell me why she died. There was just no reason for her to die. So I don't know if that house had something to do with it or whatever, but I just, I wasn't going to let that evil get anywhere else or hurt anybody else.

And I know that sounds so ridiculous because a lot of people, they don't believe me when I try telling them that there's evil or that there's demonic activity because they just don't want to believe. But I know what I felt in that house, and I don't believe myself in a lot of stuff, but there was something in that house that wanted to kill me. And I just, I wasn't going to let it do that to anybody else. So I just tore the whole thing down to the frame and scrapped it all. Yeah, I'm so sorry to hear about your daughter.

I never have the right words in situations like these, especially this one. I can't even imagine, you know, the pain. No parent really should go through that pain of losing a child. And you're very strong for, you know, kind of coming through the other side of that. I don't think that whatever was in that trailer, I don't think he had anything to do with your daughter. And that's a whole other conversation. But I get where you're coming from.

You know, you and I are very much like kindred spirits. I would have burned the trailer down and stood back and watched it burn. You know, if I was going through what you went through. And I really appreciate sharing it, especially that last part there with what was going on in that trailer. And it kind of makes me understand more of why you would think. it was evil. The spirit world is very, very real. You know, and I don't know if it's the penal gland or that third eye that witch was talking about, but it's very real and people's lives are affected by it. And I really appreciate you sharing that because a lot of times people go

through that. It's like, well, what do you say? You know, it's you're having things happen, but a lot of times you can't see what is actually affecting you or coming in, on the bed and just kind of screwing with you. And a lot of times people don't really share that side of things that, of these things that go on in their lives. I mean, I think a lot of reason a lot of people don't want to share is because they, they, people don't want to believe. So they just make them feel like they're imagining things or, oh, that didn't really

happen, you know, so we don't want to share. But it's so real. And it happened to those people. So, you know, it's nice to have somebody to talk to at least say, hey, this happened to me. Yeah, well, thank you for sharing it. I hope it helps someone out there who is dealing with it or has dealt with something like this in the past. Because it does go on, I think, more than most people think. And I really appreciate you sharing the encounter, Sarah.

I know it's kind of a mind-bending moment when you see something like what. you saw. I think it was a Sasquatch, but again, I wasn't there. It's strange. Either way, Sasquatch is weird. And some of the things that happened to you in your life with regard to the paranormal in that trailer, again, I really do appreciate it. And I really enjoyed chatting with you, Sarah. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you. And that's it for tonight, everyone. Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at

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