Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:1144 Crouching Behemoth

Episode Date: April 6, 2025

Tonight I will be speaking to Doug who is from Alberta Canada. John writes "My family and extended family arrived at the Wabasso Campsite the afternoon on Sunday August 7th 2022. Its important to note that the holiday fell on August 1st that year so we arrived after the long weekend rush, additionally it was a Sunday (not on a long weekend) so the campground wasn't as busy. Our trailer was located at the first spot (D1) on the right as you enter Loop D at the Wabasso campsite. Our family typically books this campground during this time year every year so we're familiar with the area. My father and mother in-law as well as my brother and sister in-law along with my two nephews (6 & 8 years old at the time), joined my wife and I and our two daughters (5 & 7) for a week-long family camping trip. We had booked site D1 for my immediate family, my father and mother in-law we located directly NW of us across the roadway and my brother and sister in-law were our neighbors directly to the East of us. After a busy first day and getting all three of our sites setup and everyone situated and fed, we decided to have a fire with the entire family at my father and mother in-laws site located directly across the roadway from our site. After the sun had set and darkness was beginning to fall, we decided to put all our children to bed at around 10:00-10:30PM. After tending to our children's bedtime routines, we bid goodnight to our daughters, who were bubbling with excitement about our camping adventure. They giggled and laughed as we left them snug in their beds in our trailer. My wife and I made our way across to rejoin our family around the fire. We all were sitting on one side of the fire when we rejoined the group as there was a light wind and we were avoiding the smoke from the fire. Shortly after sitting, the light wind changed direction and I was the first to take action making the jump across the semicircle now sitting across from my entire family on the other side of the fire. This change in seating now gave me a better vantage point now looking South and in better view of our Trailer and children. Who at this point had quieted down as we could no longer hear laughter coming from our trailer, thinking they were well on their way to sleep.   As soon as I was seated and had taken in a view of our trailer, I noticed something large directly behind our trailer across the roadway. It then started moving West away from the rear of our trailer toward the entrance of the campground. Instinctively I stood up as I knew it was something large but what confused me most was the color. White or possibly slightly gray figure. Now at this time the moon had just finished cresting from behind Mt. Edith Cavell and because there was no cloud cover, the moon provided just enough ambient lighting to witness the event at this hour. According to google earth, I would put the rough distance from my vantage point to the figure at 150-175'. The creature began moving westward, away from our campsite. It appeared to be hunched over, and my gut told me it was intentionally trying to appear smaller, suggesting a keen awareness of its surroundings. Once it starting travelling West away from my trailer, I stood up and once I did the creature took notice and accelerated with such silent pace it startled me. The moment I stood up my wife and sister in-law took notice and both caught obstructed views of the creature accelerating across the terrain away from our campsite. The terrain was mostly bare and filled with deadfall for maybe 25-35 feet or more along the southern side of the roadway providing me with an unobstructed view. The entire event occurred in 5 seconds maybe. Immediately following the event I went to check on my children. When I walked inside the trailer, both were sat up in bed frightened and were both claiming a bear or something big was outside the trailer. Dad calmed their fears, tucked them back in and returned to the fire to debate what some of us had witnessed. Both my wife and sister in-law agree it was a large albino type animal. Myself having the best vantage point, believes it was bipedal and hunched over to appear smaller as its forward limbs were not touching the ground as it accelerated and reacted to my change in behavior. The following day I walked the path I believed it traveled but there were no tracks unfortunately. The Jasper area was very dry and had not seen hardly any rain in the days or weeks leading up to this encounter. Additionally, I also stopped in at the campsite registry and asked the park Ranger if any other campers had reported any albino animals in the area. Which they had not. I am certain this was not a bear or moose as the creature was too silent as it accelerated and moved with agility."   John from Episode 883, if you remember he is a Nurse and had an encounter in 2020. Spoke to John and he wrote a book from eyewitness accounts in his area of Kentucky.  I invited John back to the show to discuss his new book. Here is a like along with the description For centuries reports of bipedal Sasquatch have captivated the public, but a lesser-known phenomenon lurks in the shadows...encounters with quadrupedal Sasquatch. These chilling sightings challenge conventional wisdom, forcing us to reconsider what we think we know about these elusive creatures. In Crouching Behemoth: Quadrupedal Sasquatch, we have the first book of its kind; it is the result of an almost three-year deep dive into spider crawls as well as walking, running, and gallops on all four limbs. Renowned anthropologist Dr. Jeff Meldrum lends his expertise in an exclusive interview, shedding light on the biomechanics and plausibility of this behavior. While he did not fully endorse this type of maneuverability, it is very interesting in what he did say regarding the aforementioned type of behavior and more. Charlie Raymond, one of the top field researchers and founder of the KBRO in Kentucky, weighs into it as well. Besides the multitude of frankly disturbing eyewitness testimony, we will also hear from Dr. David Harmon, a distinguished physician in the treatment of PTSD and how a traumatized witness can be treated! If all this doesn't convince you that this is definitely a different kind of Sasquatch book, you will find that although the subject matter is treated very serious, there is much humor sprinkled throughout this 400 plus page volume to lighten it up once in a while. This book is a fun, must read for Bigfoot enthusiasts, skeptics, and anyone fascinated by the intersection of science, mystery, and the human experience. This book has it all...well, almost all as the scratch and sniff Sasquatch fragrance was eliminated because I didn't want people out there saying this book stinks. You just might like this one, folks!

It looked like somebody was bent over and had their head in the window of the deer blind and it either heard me or smelt me and he pulled his head out of the tent and stood straight up and that shocked me. They don't make people that big. The way it moved, almost as if it was gliding across the beach. I've never seen anything moves like that in my life. They were screaming at each other in gibberish. It sounded like a language and they were chuntering away back and forwards, back and forwards, back and forward.

I know what a bear looks like and there is no way on this planet that what I saw were bears. What happened what are you reporting? Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That's son of a bitch is about six. Bitch is about six foot nine, I don't know. Do you see a bouncer? Yes, I'm looking right in.

Uh-oh. Conan, you're listening to Sasswatch Chronicles. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Got a great show plan for you. We'll be chatting with Doug. And Doug comes to us from Alberta, Canada. And August of 2022, he was out with his family camping when they encountered this creature.

and I'll kind of let Doug go into it. We're also going to be wrapping up with a returning guest, John, from episode 883. He wrote a new book, Crouching Behemoth, Quadropedal Sasquatch, eyewitness accounts. And if you remember, John as a nurse, he had an encounter in 2022. And John went off and wrote this book. He immediately wanted to talk to eyewitnesses in his area of Kentucky. so he'll be discussing some of the encounters from his book. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the show, shoot me an email.

My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. And I want to give a shout out to John from last night's show, 1143, the Ladd Mountain incident. And John was kind of a harsh skeptic who encountered these creatures. And everything kind of ends with this encounter on Ladd Mountain in Oklahoma. I want to thank John again for coming on.

Let's jump into it tonight. I want to welcome Doug to the show. Doug, thanks for coming on. Yeah, thanks for having you, Wes. Yeah, and you had this encounter in 2022 out there. in Alberta, Canada. Before you're encounter, Doug, what was kind of your feelings

about the whole subject of Bigfoot? So definitely an interest. Actually, I have three sisters, sister closest in age to me. She was quite interested in it when she was a bit younger. She was going to listen in on various seminars,

the local library, whenever, you know, a Sasquatch, I think there was some books written. and she was going to listen. So I kind of piqued my interest in paranormal and stuff like that. My family has a bit of a history with. So this subject definitely interests me for a long time. It's something that, you know,

and I never thought I would see. Like, you know, obviously that's a common line. But, you know, all of a sudden one day, one evening it happened. And after that, like many others, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole and very much intrigued myself and some of my family members that were involved in the incident. And even my oldest daughter now, who's Ken, she actually listens to, you know, if I have one of your podcasts on, she always is asking to listen to it.

And so it's, yeah, it's definitely something that outside of work and life and the rest, it's a topic that I tune into and look up often, for sure. Well, if you would, John, kind of walk me into this encounter that happened back in 2022. What were you doing and what happened? Yeah, so a bit of backstory. just on myself. I'm not an avid hunter, but 20 years in the oil patch

at the field level for a number of those years working in very remote environments previous to that when I was 1819 I worked as a forced firefighter for the government in Alberta here

and just being dropped in via heli to some very remote areas. Seeing a lot of animals, you know, been around a lot of bear elk moose, senobino mousse. And, you know, so you think you have a handle on, on, you know, what's out there, right? And, you know, curiosity is like, you know, does something like, you know, Sasquatch really exists, could it exist?

So in, in 2022, we were out in Jasper, we were out in Basso. campground, which is about, I'd want to say it's like a 20-minute drive from Jasper, 15, 20-minute drive. The campground itself sits at the base of Mount Edith Caval, and not like Marmot Basin ski resort is near there. The campground also backs on to the Athabasca River and the Iceland Parkway, but pretty remote. Like, Jasper's not, you know, for those, you know, that aren't aware. It's not as much as a tourist destination, you know, as compared to BAMF. BAMF's close to Calgary, Jasper's a bit further, about four and a half hour drive from the

Eminton area. And so it's not as busy. And so in August of 2022, you know, we go camping out there regularly, sometimes, you know, multiple times a year. And we frequented that campground specifically almost every year just because it was the furthest campground from

the town of Jasper that wasn't crazy far away. And always stayed in the same loop. You know, it's a powered loop. So we have young kids. So having power was key. So we came in

August 1st, August long weekend that year. it was the first and we had arrived around the seventh so it was the Sunday following the long weekend so usually on long weekends is you know spike with with campers so we decided to hit a week later that year and arrive on a Sunday which typically there's even less people in the campground at that point so we arrived there Sunday and it was myself my wife I had I have two daughters at the time. I think there were five and seven.

We also had my wife's sister and my brother-in-law, and they had two boys similar in age, and my wife's parents, actually. So we were all kind of nestled in this one loop. The loop itself is, you know, in the immediate camping area, that area has been hit with Pine Beetle quite a bit. So there's a lot of deadfall and they fell a lot of trees within the campground itself. But there's quite a bit of tree coverage on the perimeter. Anyways, so we kind of were settling in Sunday and just doing our thing.

Kids were excited, of course, especially at that age, you know, the four of them, probably between ages five and eight at that point. everyone was pretty excited to settle in for a week-long camping trip and, you know, cooking up supper and, you know, marshmallows and all the rest. Finally decided to put the kids to bed. It was around like 10 or 10.30 that evening when we put them down, you know, kids, you know, they don't want to go to bed even, you know, at that age or any age, really. when we left the trailer, we could hear them, you know, and we had decided to, you know, nestle in for a fire at my in-laws, my father and mother-in-law's place, and they were located directly across from our site. And so that's probably like 150, 175 feet, kind of from, you know, from

campfire to campfire type of thing. So left our kids in the trailer and put all the kids to bed and we were there and we ended up, you know, I was there for maybe, I don't know, 10, 15 minutes. And we were kind of sitting semicircle as the wind was at her back at that point, just to avoid smoke. And so the six of us were kind of sitting semicircle on the one side of the fire. And, you know, the wind shifted suddenly as it does, you know, especially in the mountains. When it shifted, I decided to reposition to avoid the smoke. I was the first to do that. And again, this is probably like within 15 minutes of putting the kids to bed.

And, you know, we were, I still, even when I repositioned, I remember hearing them laugh and giggle in the trailer. And I had been sitting down for, you know, maybe five minutes. And I noticed movement behind my trailer. Now, my kids at that point, they were, we had, you know, just a bumper pole trailer. And there was bunk beds at the back with little windows and stuff. And they were in the bunk bed. And so I'm watching something from behind the trailer. And I can't quite get a grasp on what it is.

And so at the time, now it's maybe, you know, quarter to 11, 11 o'clock somewhere in that time frame. And the time of year, there was, you know, the sun, it's up late. The moon was just coming in behind. So there's good lighting at that hour. And the figure was white. And my first thought was albino moose. That was my first thought when it was behind the trailer. And I remember standing up and seeing this thing come from behind the trailer.

And just before I stood up, but it had exited from behind our trailer. And it was moving very purposely in a crouched position. But definitely two feet with its forward limbs hanging. And when I stood up in my, it's almost like this movie like I knew we were there. And when I stood up and my change in behavior happened, it recognized that and accelerated. at such a pace, at such a silent pace. And I had a good view of it. So like I said, you know, 150, 175 feet from my vantage point.

And when it accelerated, I just couldn't, it was a hard time registering what this was. Because at that point, I knew when it was in my full pain of view, it wasn't a moose. And I knew my brain was just having such a difficult time. like, what is this? And now I'm thinking immediately following the event, I was like, I know what that is now. And relating it back to Sasquatch. And so as, you know, I can't remember. Maybe it was like 100 feet or so, give or take of it, from behind my trailer to where I saw it across.

It was kind of parallel to the roadway of the campground. and in its path was completely fallen trees, so there was no trees or anything. And I seen it accelerate across that area so silently and so quickly, especially after I stood up, really stuck out to me. And I was in a bit of shock. You know, obviously 150, 175 feet, you're, you know, a good distance away, but for something at that size and, you know,

it appeared at least, you know, the next. day just checking the path out that it had pursued, you know, I felt that, you know, it's probably crouched down all of six feet. Now, my wife, Lindsay, and my sister-in-law, Aaron, they were sitting at the outermost edge of the semicircle across me when the event happened. They turned and saw the tail end of, like, the, just its final moments of being. in that open view. And, you know, afterwards, I remember, you know, sitting there with my mother and father-in-law and saying, like, you know, I have no idea what that was, you know, it was definitely on two feet.

It's forward limbs. We're not moving. My wife and my sister-in-law both recognize it was something that was very large and white. and my father-in-law who's retired now, but he's 40-plus-year forestry guy, he didn't see it, but he wasn't on the belief path of what it could be. But I was like, you didn't see it, man. Like this thing was huge.

And after I sat down and was trying to take a moment, I realized that it was behind our trailer. and I was like, I need to go check on the kids. And, you know, like I said, they'd gone to bed laughing and, you know, giggling. And they were quite loud horsing around in there. And when I went back to the trailer to check on them, that was the moment where it kind of hit home a bit more because they were both, you know, sat up straight in their beds in the bunk beds. And my oldest who was on the top bunk was like, Dad, like there's something really big outside. I don't know if the bear, I could tell they were both quite startled.

Just calm their fears, told them it was probably a bear and, you know, just relax type of thing, put them back to bed. And, you know, I walked back to the fire and it was a, it was an all-night debate for sure on what we saw and what it could be. And definitely something that I never thought in my lifetime being, you know, interested in the topic that, that I'd have the opportunity to see. but very fortunate, feel very fortunate that I did because it definitely made me a believer, for sure. Did you ever get a chance later to kind of talk to your kids and find out what this thing was doing? So I didn't, I haven't really brought it up with them. And there's a couple of reasons why. So even though my daughter's interested in the topic, she knows dad has a story.

She doesn't know that she's involved in that story Because at the time, like I said, they were five and seven And they're now eight, ten And, you know, so I had But what my plan is actually, Because she's interested in your show So much that, you know, if you decide to post this, I want to have her listen to that

because she was the one that actually encouraged me to email you. She said, oh, Dad, you know, like we listen to Sasquatch Chronicles. You should tell them your story, even though she doesn't know all the details and that she was there. And so my plan would be if you did post this, I would have her listen. So she gets the full account of A, that she was there and B. So no, I haven't addressed it with her. I know in that moment she was confused. In that moment, she was confused.

She just referred to it as something really big was outside. And the fact that this, this, you know, the Sasquatch was behind the trailer right at the windows of their bunk beds in the moment was very concerning to me after. Like when I realized and took everything in and went back to the fire. and I remember hearing and I know it was on one of your podcasts I'm pretty sure like their interest level in children especially like you know when they're laughing and playing and stuff and I thought you know maybe that's what drew them in but you know to provide some further context too like at that time on Sunday because there wasn't many campers there was even less like we were in a loop and there was me you know that's I don't know 50 60 campgrounds in that loop something like that and there may have been one or two other campers completely on the opposite end of us. We were kind of at the entrance to the loop. And so, yeah, it's something that, you know, I'm hoping that maybe, maybe she can listen to an episode where she hears Dad give the full account. And she's like, I was there.

Yeah, you were, you know. So, but, yeah, definitely, definitely a crazy story for sure. Yeah, I'll definitely play the interview, Doug. You know, they do have some weird interest in children. And, you know, as a father, it's very unnerving. I mean, I think it would set me off knowing one of these things were watching my kids. And I don't know why the interest is there. Maybe the kids seem to be less threatening is the only thing I can come up with.

Yeah. After like the next day, the next morning. Now with that area, that time of year, we'd been hit with like, like, definitely like, you know, just, like, it was like 30 degrees Celsius for like a week leading up to that event. So it was very dry and the deadfall in the area that, you know, I saw it accelerate in. You know, I tried to find trackway afterwards just couldn't, like, just too much, just too much deadfall. And, you know, there was, again, no moisture. couldn't see anything. I remember it's kind of doing a height comparison

and I was like, man, like this thing you know, at its, you know, when it was when it was crouched over and running with purpose and then when I stood up and it accelerated, it still, like when it accelerated, it was still in its same position in terms of crouching

and just, I mean, like a flash. Just couldn't believe I, you know, just witnessing you know, I guess at that range. how quickly it moved across that plane was something that just shocked me. And then the afterthought of where it was

and the windows at the back of the trailer and where my kids were, I was like, oh, my God. So I was like the next day after doing that, I'm like, I'm going to keep that bear spray on me from now. You know, like not that it's going to do anything. It's not like we open carry here, right? but it's yeah it's it was it was definitely the topic for that week and it's not a story I share with many I've shared it with Sue but I would say generally the topic you know in Alberta is you know

and BC for that matter is generally accepted more than you know just you know laughed at right after listening to your shows over the years and now my daughter being so intrigued by your Shkalo, I was like, all right, you asked Dad to submit my story. I'll submit my story. Yeah, I could see people being more open to it in Alberta and British Columbia. It's like Washington State, we all kind of share this long history of, you know, dating back to our Native Americans and your guys as First Nations. And, you know, some of the major accounts come from this area, historical accounts. So I could see people.

And, you know, to this day, I've had many people on from Alberta and BC that have had very recent encounters. You know, one thing that you said, Doug, when it was running, it was kind of bent over. And I've heard other eyewitnesses describe that. You also describe no motion of the arms moving while it was running. if it's about six feet kind of bent over, how tall do you think it actually was? Yeah, like I said, I think crouched over,

we kind of ranged it around six feet. So could it have been, you know, eight, nine feet or more, possibly? The next day after, you know, trying to find trackway and, you know, just going over, you know, the event was in the group. I actually, later that next day,

I had stopped because we were there for the week. I had stopped at the ranger station, like the, you know, where we check in for the campers, what have you. I actually asked the ranger, the park ranger,

if any, anybody had reported, um, uh, any albino animals in the area, uh, which, you know,

they know, nobody had. And, uh, I did report that I saw something albino. I didn't go into specifics there. with them. But yeah, it's, it's, it's, it was definitely the highlight of the week for me. And it, at the very least, it gives me the belief, number one, that these things do exist. I mean, even without seeing

it at this point, you know, even through your stories and your, you know, what you share, I mean, how can you deny it, right? It's, it's something that I feel that the government can never openly recognize just due to the economic impact it could have on economies, right? I mean, if the government recognized that species, the protected area, how do you identify that, right? And how would that impact companies, right? So I don't know if they'll ever recognize it, but sorry, I probably strayed from your original question there was. No, that's okay. I know on last night show, the Ladd Mountain incident, John and I talked about that. And I agree with you, Doug. I do think that there is a cover-up.

You know, even in my own encounter, me and my brother still argue about, he said it was white and I said it was light gray and which, you know, we're arguing over nothing. But you'd be surprised white, that light gray color when it comes to Sasquatch, just gets reported way more than you might think. You would think it'd be very rare for people to report a white Sasquatch or a light gray Sasquatch. And you would also think something of that color would be really easy to find. You know, I know you had said you thought it was an albino moose at first because it was so big.

But even an albino moose is very rare. And I would imagine they would stick out like a sore thumb. Well, have this thing been darker in color? would have been harder. Now, even though we had pretty good lighting, it's on the backdrop. Like, we're looking, you know, where we, where our campground was, we're kind of in the shadow of Mount Edith Claval. So had the thing been darker in color, I may not have picked it up at all, especially on the backdrop because the perimeter was, you know, there's trees there, even though they've dropped a lot down within the campground. I don't know if I would have picked it up, you know,

because of how silent it was. The only reason I stood up is because it was white, light gray, in color and, you know, the lighting just right. And, yeah, it was something that will stick with me forever. I did, you know, speaking about your incident there, I remember listening to that episode where one of your first episodes, obviously, where you went into that, you know, your story with your brother in the car there. And man, what a crazy account. Like, what a crazy account.

I couldn't imagine being out there. And I mean, good for you for turning that event into into what you've turned it into, right, which is really an avenue for people like me and others that have crazier experiences to, you know, share, right, their stories. And, you know, kudos to you, man, for sure. I appreciate the kind of words, Doug. You know, anytime you have an encounter, you play it back in your head over and over and over. and looking back at this whole situation, when you saw it kind of take off, and again, I realize

all this is happening very, very quickly, but what's kind of the one thing that stays with you, whether it be movement or how it was proportioned? What's kind of something that stays with you? Yeah. When I stood up and I changed my behavior, because like I said, I believe it knew, you know, it knew we were there, you know, 150-ish feet away, open plane, nothing, no obstructions between us and it. And when I stood up, I remember its head turned.

And now I couldn't see its eyes or facial features that great just due to the distance. And even though the lighting was good and it was white, I could see its body, its limbs. but the face I couldn't make out. Because it happened so quick. But it turned its head when I stood up. And that's when it accelerated at such a pace and that was crazy to me. So that right there is something that sticks with me when I stood up and it turned its head to really lock on to my behavior and my changing behavior for sure. And the direction it went in because it didn't fall.

back, there was tree land, because our camper backed on to the tree line. You know, I remember thinking like, why wouldn't it, why wouldn't it just, you know, revert back to the tree line? But it took, it stayed on its trajectory and which ultimately, you know, had it, if it stayed on that, would have taken it to the base of the mountain. You know, I, I wonder if it, like, had it just been, you know, one of us there, would it, would have been, you know, a different outcome. It would have done something differently, right? This thing was so silent and the pace that it accelerated.

I was just, I was having a hard time registering it in the moment and afterwards, for sure. But I would say, like, because I didn't see, you know, any breasts, I'm assuming it was male. And, again, the sheer size of it, too. it was it was such a large mass and I remember after you know asking like my wife they they came you know and said like we saw it we saw the tail end of it and that thing was running and it was large and I was like I'm not the I'm not the only crazy person in the room here right so gave me a bit of solids I guess but yeah it's it was not You know, Doug, I ask everyone on the show, what do you think that these creatures are?

And obviously, there's no wrong answer. But what's your take? What do you think that they are? I believe that it's bipedal. It exists somewhere in our evolution from, you know, whether we're talking caveman, what have you. I believe it migrates, depending on the region. I think it migrates. It's something that very much exists.

You know, the paranormal end, I do believe that that's an element. It's not an element I witnessed myself. I know there's been reports in cases where, you know, there's orbs and things like this. Nothing like that to happen in my experience. But I, you know, I think anything's possible with this in terms of what it could be and where the origins lie. and I'm just happy that I was able to have an experience and a positive one in terms of, you know, because some of the stories you hear where, you know, people are being chased or pursued or having them parallel them in the bush and walking them out type of thing.

It wasn't so much like the other than the element of it being very close to my kids in a trailer. It was generally positive. and just fortunate that I got to have an experience in general for sure. Yeah, it's always nice having other people there as well. I know you kind of alluded to that earlier. But, you know, I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your encounter, Doug. I always love hearing from Canadians, you know, whether it be Alberta or BC. And I've actually had a lot of encounters out of Northern Ontario recently.

So, you know, I really appreciate it, brother. I appreciate your time and thank you again for coming on. Thank you, Wes. Thank you for what you do as well. Next up on the show, I want to welcome back, John, from episode 883, The Spider-Crawl. Welcome back to the show, John. Thanks a lot, Wes. I really appreciate that.

Yeah, it's great to have you back, John. And I remember 883, it's a lot. very memorable episode. You know, you'd talked about your sister, you'd talked about being a nurse, in this encounter that you had in 2020 where you actually saw the creature get down and do the spider movement. You had written a book, Crouching Behemoth, Quadropedal Sasquatch, eyewitness accounts, and it's available on Amazon. I'll include a link underneath this episode for the listeners. If they want to go check it out, what made you write this book, John? Well, after I had my siting, I was on your show, 883.

It walked like a giant spider. That was about five years ago when I had the siding. I believe it was maybe three and a half years ago when I spoke to you about it. And I was kind of unsettled about it. You'd ask me the question during that show, like, how it changed my life? I really couldn't think of a good answer at the time. So after I was on the show with you, I thought about it for a long time. And it was very unsettling because it was something that, in my mind,

it really wasn't something supposed to be. So in the meantime, I had shared the information with my nephew Tommy, who at the time was a student at IU University in Bloomington, Indiana. So I shared the story with him. He listened to the podcast. Well, he had the podcast out with some of his buddies in his dorm. And when they were done, one of his buddies, Kobe, matter of fact, he's the first chapter in the book. Kobe said, you're not going to believe this. He goes, my whole family had a sighting. And we saw a big foot on all fours. His wasn't the scariest sighting ever, but it was the first one. So we go up there every year to, they have the biggest collegiate bicycle race in the country. It's called the Little 500. And there's a movie years ago back in the, I think it was in the early 80s called Breaking

Away. And Dennis Quaid was in there. He's a real young kid in the movie. But basically the movie was about the bicycle race. And so anybody that's familiar with that movie would be familiar with this race. It's a big oval track and there's thousands of thousands of people come. So when I went up there, I had known that Kobe was going to be there. He was on the team. So we were tailgating before the race and the team comes over to where we're tailgating. So I got to meet this young man. He told me a story. Real briefly, we didn't have time to talk for a long time because he had a race to get ready for us. So we made an appointment later when I got home to talk to him. I spent several hours talking to him. And their family, they live on a farm. He grew up right.

outside of Bloomington. And so they lived on a farm. They were at this Lake Monroe. Their whole family was on the way back to the farm. They come down this road called Scott's Road. It's a rural road outside of Bloomington. And they see this creature upright picking berries off a tree. And the dad's like, oh, my God. And they slow up. This thing drops to four and it scurries across in front of them on all four. He said it was something that made an imprint and their whole family was petrified. So once I talked to Kobe, I thought, you know what, there's a little bit more to this. So I started Googling and you can't really find that. And if you Google on the internet, you can only find three or four pictures of a Sasquots doing a spider crawl on all four.

And I think the reason that's the people that have seen them is so hard to describe how they look. So people, you know, not everybody's a good artist. So it's hard to tell an artist, Stephen, if you're not able to draw it, how to draw it and have it look. They're so surreal looking, and you can't, you can't really capture the image that well. So I couldn't really find anything. So then I started trying to find a book or something to read about it. And I realized there's no material out there about Bigfoot's writing. You know, there's some books that have anecdotal stories, one chapter here or there,

devoted to it. But I've never seen a whole volume devoted to, you know, not just the spider crawl, but sightings where people have seen Bigfoot's running on. on all fours. I'm climbing up hills on all fours, galloping, moving like a spider, moving like a crab, all these different things. So I thought, you know what? By this time, I was starting to dig into it, and I thought, maybe I should be the one to fill the void. So the next three years, I spent researching this, and I pretty much opened a spicket on it and drained it. I wrote a 438, put a 439 page book about it.

And I could have kept going. I just felt like at some point I got to stop and put the material out there. But in the meantime, when I was at work, I work at the local hospital here in a coworker mine. She had these drawings out on her folder one day. And I said, my God, they're drawings of like superheroes and different stuff like that. I said, who drew those? And she said, oh, my son Landon did. Well, at the time he was 17 and then a senior in high school.

So I said, do you mind if I contact him about doing a cover for my book? I wanted something different. So this guy, Landon Shepard, I talked to him. He's 18 now. But I described to him what I wanted. And I said, I wanted something different. You know, a lot of Bigfoot books will use AI and show an image or show a face looking through the woods. So I wanted something that would be appealing to a lot of people.

And this guy likes graphic novels and stuff. So I said, you know, that'd be kind of cool. Why couldn't you do me a picture? Like, I'll describe the, so the cover is basically what I saw when I had my sighting, but he couldn't get the arms, right? So I told him, just look at my guns on my arm. That's how you can do it. He's got to laugh at that.

He said, it'd be a scrawny little thing if he did that. But anyway, so he ended up doing the cover, and I thought he did a really great job. He kind of made it look like a graphic novel type of, you know, so it's a little bit different than what you'd normally see. So anyway, so I started working on the book, and after that, I started making contacts, and I found out it wasn't that easy to find these spider crawls. They happened, but you don't find them all over. So that's one of the reasons it took me three years to get a lot of, enough to have a really good volume.

And there's also more in there. I've got interviews by Dr. Meldrum has two chapters. I think it's the first interview he's ever done about Sasquatch on all four and what his take. He didn't exactly endorse it 100%, but he says it's possible, and here's why. And he gave some of the stuff in there. So I thought it was kind of like that movie Dumb and Dumber, where the guy played by Jim Carrey, asked this beautiful girl out for a Tate. I wouldn't go out for you unless it was a million and one odds.

And he said, so I still have a chance. So I tell Dr. Meld him, so there's still a chance. So anyway, so that transpired. Then I started finding witnesses. I learned how to find him. And I'm going to share one here, this guy named Gerald. He was in Wayne County, Illinois. And I feel like this is a really, on the surface of it, it doesn't seem scary until I get to the end.

And then I'll tell you, you'll realize why this is kind of a terrifying story. So he's got a farm near Samdale Lake Fish and Wildlife Rec area. It's in the southern portion of Illinois. They call that area Little Egypt. And he grew up on the farm. It's a 400 plus acre farm. He lived there his whole life. And he still lives there.

And he'd only counted a big foot one time on his property. And it was while he was bow hunting, the back of this farm has about 150 acres of forested land. And it runs up to thousands of more forested acres of the Dale Lake recreation area. So there's a lot of woods back in there. So he'd been seeing this buck back in there over the several months before hunting season. It was a trophy buck. So that's what he had his eye on. So he goes back in there.

He had a deer stand already set up before hunting. season. He goes up there at dusk and he's already in place. So when the sun starts coming up, he'll be in a good place. So it wasn't long after the sun comes up, he starts hearing something coming towards him. Now, this area where he hunts, he's kind of a different kind of guy. A lot of people, some states it's legal to put food plots up and so forth. Well, he told me he didn't really believe in rooting out of food plot, but he believes in preserving. They have white oak trees that produce lots of acorns. So this area where his deer stand, it was in, heavy woods, but then there was this area that was

covered with oak trees, and the acorns are all over, so the deer would come in there, and he said the acorns give at least twice the amount of energy than any food plot would. So he's in place. The sun's starting to come up. He hears something coming through the bushes, so he's excited. He gets his bow, starts drawing back, anticipation of this large buck coming through there. Well, he said once this thing came

through the bushes, this face was looking up at him. That wasn't a deer. and it was looking right at him. He said he was 17 feet up in a deer stand, but this thing already had a beat on him that came through him was staring at him. But he had the bow drawn back, and he said the thing made like a really nasty face at him.

So he was terrified, he didn't think he could hit it at the profile. It was on all fours. And all he could see was basically like the head and the shoulders, so he wasn't sure he could get a good shot. He starts slowly drawing the bow back. Then it seemed like the thing relaxed a little bit. And he said it turned.

turns, it walks, just kind of saunter's back on all fours real slow, back into the woods till it's far enough out of range. And he sat up in the deer stand for a couple more hours, petrified. He had a long ways to walk to get back to his farmhouse. So he sat up there a couple hours like, my God, is that thing just laying in wait when I come down? Is it going to tag me? So on the surface, that seemed like, yeah, he saw one on all fours. But the scary part, after a couple hours of sitting there, he decides finally, well, the sun's up pretty high, I'm going to get out of here before anything else happens. He starts climbing back down the deer stand, and his foot gets about halfway down and touches a rung, and it doesn't feel right. He's afraid he's

going to fall all the way. He looks down. The bottom eight feet of the ladder is smushed in like something took the sides and just pushed it in like an accordion. So it wasn't like that when he climbed up there, so he was horrified, and he didn't know what to do. So he was already halfway down, and he thought, if this thing's out there, he can already get me. So he jumps down, and he quickly walks out of there and never had another counter. But he swears that when he was in that deer stand, he did not hear anything come up. He doesn't know if it was the one that he saw or if while he was looking at it. This other one might have been right below him, maybe messing with him trying to get up. But at any rate, he got the message. He's never been back there

hunting again and he's never had another siding of big foot or even anything strange happening on his farm. So I thought that was a really good, but you could tell when I talked to the guy, you know, in these interviews, I'll record them, I'll type it up and send it to them and then send it back. And so I talked to him several times. And I really felt like his story was poignant and it was downright scary the way he told it. You could tell he was really shaky about it. And He really doesn't like telling a lot of people in his area because the few people he told thought he wasn't all right up in his upper chambers. So he felt like it was a good outlet to talk to me. And I found him from his brother was the one that connected.

He saw a posting I'd made and contacted him. So I thought that was a really good one. Yeah. And for the audience, again, the book is called Crouching Behemoth, Quadrupedal Sasquatch eyewitness accounts. And I like reading eyewitness accounts. and I like reading eyewitness accounts. You know, it's a lot harder to get people to come forward than I think most people think. But I would imagine, John, that, you know, there's kind of a sense of, like when I spoke to you,

because that's what I saw. I saw I get down and do the spider crawl. And when you were talking about it, it was very validating because for the longest time, these Bigfoot experts would say, well, they don't get down and move like a spider. do the crab crawl, but they do. And so I'd imagine because you're focusing on this, when you're talking to eyewitnesses, it's kind of nice. You can relate to them because it's what you saw. Yeah. And the thing is, like, when I talked to Dr. Meldrum, he found out as a nurse for years, I worked in orthopedic, so I had a strong orthopedic background. So his, I asked if he could

dumb it down for me, but he really explained the mechanics and what it would take for something. like that to walk on all four in the calories it would burn versus calories burning when it stands up. So I found what he had to say fascinating, but he didn't discount that it happens. He just said he doesn't think it happens frequently. He thought maybe more like going up hills and so forth, which I can see that as well. But one thing, I've got a new appreciation for you, Wes. I wanted to say that I didn't realize it was that hard to find good witnesses. And I don't know how you can do it, man, because every show you have is banging out. I just, just love listening to your show and I have for years. But I don't know how you can find.

I had a hard time. It took me three years to find really good. Now, I was looking for a specialized type of witness. So I thought that, golly, sometimes you go on Reddit and whatnot and you'll find somebody saying something. I saw myself being made fun of as a guest. Just like, so I told this guy, I said, well, not everybody that goes on the show is a professional speaker. I'm not. You get nervous when you come on there. You get nervous when you're getting interviewed. When I interviewed people, I can see how nervous they were. The voice inflection, all the different things that go through because some of them seem to relive it as they're telling and they get scared. And so not all of us are so good at putting our stories. I feel like I can put my stories on paper really well. But when I'm talking, I get nervous. It gets your heart rate going and it's not that easy. So I've got a really good appreciation for what you go through and each of your guests go through because it's not easy to go on there and talk about this stuff. It's scary to some people. And that kind of leads me into another story I've had as this family, they were from Ohio and they were visiting in Louisiana. And they had an encounter.

Well, when they got back home, they started having problems. Their two teenage kids couldn't sleep. They were having nightmares. And they ended up going to therapy because it was so disturbing to the family. They ended up going to therapy. Well, therapists laughed at them. they didn't believe them. And they felt horrified.

It took them a while to find a good therapist. So now I work in mental health. So I thought, you know what? That's a pretty good point. There's a lot of people that do suffer from post-traumatic stress disorder. So I started researching about who would be the best in the region. I'm in Kentucky. So this whole region, the number one treatment for PTSD is Dr. David Harmon.

So I talked to him. And I asked him, I said, I'm not asking. you to endorse Bigfoot, but would you be able to let me interview you to ask about what somebody should do if they have a counter because some of these people are absolutely terrified and they don't know what else to do? So they ended up, he spent a couple hours with me. I went down, I drove out there to River Valley where he works and interviewed him for a couple hours. And he told me, it doesn't matter from a therapist standpoint, what, he says, I don't have have to believe what you see. If you believe what you saw and it's traumatized you, my job is to

treat you, not to judge you. And it really struck home with me because a lot of times when you do tell people, even friends, a lot of people will judge you and they might not say it, but you can tell when they kind of clam up and kind of look at you and they'll look at another person beside them and kind of do the eye roll. So he gave some really good, that's why I interviewed him in the book. That was fascinating what he had to say about how to treat a traumatized witness without judging them about why they're there. So that's why I ended up getting PTSD. I've never seen a bigfoot book cover something like that. But this family, they were vacation in Louisiana. And they were in the Bogotita National Reserve in the Pearl River basin. And that's a really

remote area. So they ended up deciding to drive around. They were going around the outskirts of the park and they found this gravel road. They go down on the gravel road. And the gravel road starts kind of petering out. But when they get towards the end of the end of the end of the park, they were going of the road. There was this trail. It looked like maybe people had used ATVs. It was an old trail, so they decided, you know what, let's park here. They had a big SUV. Let's go hiking a little ways. Well, the reason they were looking for a specialized kind of trail, they have a daughter that I think she was 15 at the time named Abby. She'd been partially paralyzed. She was a paraplegic. She couldn't move her legs. Somebody on high on math had hit her one of the first time

she'd gotten her learner's permit and paralyzed her. So they had to get one of those wheelchairs that's got a wheel in the middle. It's almost not really like a chariot, like a Rickshaw, I guess. It's got handles in the front and handles in the back and her chairs in the middle with one big wheel. It's like an ATV kind of wheel where you can go through rough territory because the family's avid outdoors people. And then they have a son. His name was Declan. And anyway, so the mom and dad, they're hiking.

I think dad was in front. Mom was in the back of the wheelchair. Abby was in the wheelchair, and their son was over to the right side. So they hike, they get back a mile or so. They hear something coming through the bush. And all of a sudden, right on the trail in front of them, there's a, they realized what it was. It was a creature. It was gray and black.

It was about two to 300 pounds. And it was on all fours. And the thing stopped in the middle of the trail after it was running and turned towards them. And they knew right away they'd heard about feral hogs. It scared them. So they didn't know, they knew they couldn't run with them. wheelchair. So the thing starts running towards them and they were terrified. They kind of froze up, but the thing stopped about halfway to them. I got within 25 yards. Then the thing turns and goes

off to the left into the woods and runs off. So before they could really recover from the shock, they hear something coming through the woods on the right side. Evidently, this hog had been getting chased. This big foot comes out. They said it's about seven foot tall. They got a look at the side. It was blurry, though. It came by and ran through. It was. chasing this hog. So they were just standing there and they hear the hog running through and this thing's crashing through there like an elephant. Well, they hear, they feel it caught the hog because they hear this awful squealing. And in the book I put on there, I found something close to what he says the squealing was, this guy has a call on YouTube and the family said it sounded just like

that. But they said then the squealing stopped. It sounded like he had striped their neck and broke the broke the hog's neck because it got quiet then. So before they could recover from that, they were to decide at this point, let's get out of here, something else comes through the bushes. It stops in the middle and turns on them. It's on all fours.

It turns on them. And they figure what later, they feel like it was a juvenile big foot, it was staring at them, and it starts slowly walking towards them. And this thing, they said it was, the way they described it was,

it had a reverse mohawk is what the dad said. He said it was shaved in the middle. Instead of most people have the Mohawk on the middle of the head, it was like bare bald on the top of his head but had hair tufts on the sides. He said it reminded him of a reverse mohawk. And this thing starts coming towards them. It starts snarling and hissing. Well, pretty soon they hear this whistle off to the left over where this hog they feel had been killed.

The whistle, the thing turns towards the whistle and is gone. So at this point, the family, they turn around and they get back. to their car and they drive out of there and they said it was like 20 or 30 minutes before anybody in the family said a word and then the dad said I guess when we get back to our cabin we need to talk about what we saw and then that night their daughter had a nightmare and from then on they were really traumatized he said it changed their life and not for the better they were depressed they felt like their kids would wake up in the in the night and come to the parents room one in consolation, we're just tore up.

So after a few weeks of this, the dad and mom decided we've got to go to the therapy. And that's unfortunately then when they had the experience. I hate that when somebody goes to a therapist because I work in mental health. And I know you're not supposed to judge somebody. And that's horrible that they had an experience like that. So that's kind of what led me to talking to Dr. Harmon about PTSD. And I thought that was really worthwhile to include. as well as there was another

citing this guy. I don't know. Some people might know who he is. His name is Long Island, Mike. He's got a YouTube channel anyway. He goes out there investigating. He's a disabled veteran, but he could walk and stuff.

He suffers from heavy PTSD, so it was also interesting to help him. But when he was in Korea, he had what he called a rock ape. Rock apes are usually in Vietnam was my understanding. But when he was in his 20s, he was in Korea. It wasn't war time, but of course, but he was in a bus going to this amusement park called Everland,

and he saw this big thing zigzagging through the trees. He said in Korea, they don't really cure, cut the right away like we do in the United States. And he said this thing was weaving in and out of trees, keeping up with the bus on all fours. And so what he described was really wild. But his PTSD, his chapter has, his isn't the scariest account, but he had a lot of good information in there. so I'll leave it at that, but because of his PTSD too and this other family, those two things thought, God, I got to cover PTSD. So anyway, that's that on the PTSD and how that got to being in the book.

I think it's really cool that you included the PTSD portion in the book. I do think a lot of people suffer from that after an encounter. It's such a shocking event. And I would love to read what Meldrum wrote about them, the locomotion of them being on all fours. And again, I know the book is full of eyewitness accounts. It would be kind of interesting if you could put together a picture of why they go down to all fours. I think that they do it, you know, it's become a smaller target and I almost think they can move quicker on all fours. Yeah, I agree with you. I talk to Charlie Raymond,

he's the head of the Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization. He's over on the other side of state. I'm in Owensboro, Kentucky. He's over by the Red River Gorge and Daniel Boone. And so he interviewed, he was gracious enough to spend time to. I interviewed him. And he actually had a thermal of a Sasquatch on all four that was pretty amazing. And he also had explained, I like his term. This is his term. He said, he said, they're the ninjas of the forest. They can do so many things. And that's why it's so hard to catch up with them. But he believes, he's talked to witnesses even that have seen him going up steep inclines on all fours. And he said it's almost like putting it put in a car on four-wheel drive. You get that four-wheel traction. So, you know,

I've on two feet tried to go up steep inclines with loose dirt. It's not that easy. You can fall and bust your tail. So the way he explained it, he believes they do it a lot going up inclines, which makes sense. It's almost like four-wheel drive. You're less likely to slip. And he says they can book up an incline. But there's another one I was going to tell you. This one, I had to share this one with you because all the time I've listened on your show, I've never heard anything quite like this one. This one's a little different. So it happened in the spring of 1996, these two brothers, William and James was their names. And back in the, back in the 90s, 96 is when they had their sighting. He called them, he said, we were down and out chumps. They'd

got out of high school and they really didn't have a direction. One of them had just recently got fired from his job. And he said the other brother, like, hadn't even gotten around to find a job. They didn't know if they were going to go to college, and they really didn't have their life squared away, so they decided to go camping to Appalachicola National Forest in the panhandle of Florida. I looked it up. It's about 580,000 acres of forest. It's kind of savannas and Pocassons and swamps and like a whole mix of different things. But then on the outskirts of the park, there's more and more woods. If you Google Earth that area, it's thick. And what's really amazing about it. There's no hills. It's flat. So these two brothers, they decided to go camp,

and they went to a primitive campground near a river basin. It was in a floodplain forest and a boggy area. And they said that the thing is about it, he goes, if you don't have a compass, he said back then they didn't really have GPS or cell phones in 96, but he said, if you didn't bring a compass back then, he said, you can get back there and get lost and you can't find your way back. There's no high points to go up. So he said, he's, He said a lot of people are very cautious, especially back then before you had the GPS or anything. So he said they were carefree because they really didn't care. They said they were young.

And when you're young, he said they feel invincible and whatnot. So he said, we did something kind of stupid. They were hiking off the trail. Well, prior to coming up that area, it had rained and rained and rain. So there was a lot of palmetto flatwoods and lots of stipers swamps. Well, some of the areas that got boggy where the trail was washed out and there was water. They got a couple of miles in there. and they said, you know, we got nothing to lose.

The water started getting ankle deep. And one brother says the other, do you want to keep going? He says, screw it. I'm not, I don't care about getting my feet wet. So they're in ankle deep water. He said they went literally like about a mile through ankle deep water. And they said it was kind of cool because they saw all kinds of birds back there. He said it was like a paradise.

They didn't care about trying to get, you know, getting transfer or anything like they did in Vietnam. They just didn't care, I guess. They hiked and hiked. and they got to this one area. It's called Memory Island. It's actually, I found it on the map, but memory, M-E-M-E-R-Y, not memory like mine memory. But they get to this area.

It's just a little bit higher than the outlying land. When the forest cleared a little bit, there's a palmetto here and there, and then with the wood line behind it, he said it might have been like a one or two acre clearing with the scattered trees. Well, beside one of the trees, he said they were still in the water coming through,

getting ready to get up on dry land. And they said they saw something laying next to one of the Palmettoes. And he said both of them, one of them whispered that's a bear. And they said, but it didn't really look right. They get a little close and they realize this thing looks like it's laying on

its back. Well, once they get to dry land, all of a sudden, the thing flipped around and faced them and it was on all fours. And they realized, his brother said right away, that's a big foot. And he said the weird thing about it. He described that these two brothers are identical twins and what's funny about it.

You know how sometimes, and it's usually the mother, because mothers are nurturing like this, the brothers always got outdoor gear for their mother at Christmas time. So he said they had matching shirts and pants that their mother had given them at Christmas. So they were dressed identical. And he said they're maybe like 10 feet apart. Well, this thing stood up on all fours and was facing them. But then he said the thing looked confused. It put it. its head back and curled up its upper lip and moved its nose up like it was sniffing them. And he said, for a minute, we thought we were dead. We thought this thing was getting ready to charge.

But the more it looked, they thought, got something wrong with this thing. It's confused. But he didn't think about this at the time. But later on, he said, I think because we were identical twins, this thing was confused. You know, he said, you know, if you're ever sleeping, you wake up and a noise or something, you're kind of half confused. He said, I think we got up on this thing so close because, I think they were only like 50 yards away, but he said,

we think we got up on them because we were in the ankle deep water and we were quiet. And he said, once the thing woke up, he said, I really feel like he thought it was dreaming because it acted confused. And he said, the way it was sniffing at us, we probably had similar sense since we're brothers. It was probably sniffing. And instead of moving his head back and forth like you sniffing the air. And he said, with us dressed, it was like it was seeing double.

And it wasn't sure what was going on. He said, I think we surprised it as much as we were surprised. So it was pretty wild. So anyways, the thing advances on a little bit. They start backing up. Well, then the thing turns. It goes back off into the woods, turns on them a couple times. It stands up on two legs.

And it grabs a tree and starts swaying back and forth like it's trying to intimidate them to get them out of there. And he said, it works. We started backing up, but we knew that if this thing ran at us, we're dead meat because behind this, the only dry land was in front. So behind it's all water. ankle deep. He said, you couldn't run in there. We would have fallen. We would have been dead meat for sure. So they didn't really want to turn, so they turned, but they kept turning their head back looking towards it. And luckily, the thing didn't advance on them. And he said it was terrifying getting back out of the water,

and they eventually get back to their camp. Well, when they get back to their camp, it's a primitive campground. But he said there was some other tent campers in the next campside over to them that had a whole bunch of teenagers and whatnot. And he said, so that night, the teenagers were cutting up, like, sometimes they will and kind of noisy. And he said it was actually kind of welcome because they said they were kind of petrified at what they experienced. And so during the night, those guys were still out there. These two guys have a fire. They decided to go into their tent and go to bed. He said it was around midnight or so.

And those guys were still making noise. And he said, for once, I wasn't angry that somebody was noisy and, you know, not thinking of the other campers. So they go to bed. Well, in the morning, one of the best. brothers wakes up, I think it was William. He told me that they had their wood with stacked close to their fire pit, but in the morning, he got out for his morning constitutional and realized the woods gone. Where's the wood? And he thought, I bet those boogers next door took it to keep their bonfire going. And then he looked around and he saw their wood. Somebody had

taken their wood and sat on the other side of their tent and kind of a haphazard pile. And he thought, well, that's really weird. Why would those guys do that? So he tells his brother, and they investigate their campsite, and they go walk over. By that time, one of the kids was awake, he was brewing some coffee on a table, and they walked over there, and he said, hey, dude, why did you guys

come over and move our wood? And then the guy said, what are you talking about? And he said, you came over and moved our wood last night. He goes, bull crap, why would I come over and move your wood? I saw you guys move it. He goes, it's about 2 o'clock. I came He said everybody else was in bed.

And I saw you two guys. All I could see was the fire had gone out. And I seen your shadows, silhouettes moving the wood around. And I thought you guys were crazy. I wasn't going to go ask what you're doing. Well, it wasn't them moving the woods. So now they're thinking, and he saw, this kid saw two silhouettes. So these guys, they started looking around.

They didn't exactly see footprints, but they saw shuffle marks that look like they were awful big. And so they feel like this big foot must have had a buddy. somewhere around. So who knows where it was at when they had their sighting in the swamp. Evidently, they tracked them or followed them back. And in the middle of the night, they messed with them and moved their wood over because these kids, he swore that it wasn't him. And he thought they were the ones moving it because he saw their silhouettes moving around over there. And he thought they were nuts moving their wood. So that was another one. I thought was, that's a little different. That is interesting with it laying on its back and then the twins show up. I could see

the Sasquatch, I mean, the whole movement of it flipping around and being on all fours, I would imagine probably happened in a blink of an eye. But the confusion of the Sasquatch seeing two identical humans wearing the exact same thing, he probably was freaking out a little bit. And I know I've ordered my copy of the book. I can't wait to really dig into some of these eyewitness accounts. Give us one last one from the book, if you would. Okay. This one happened in Alabama. There's a couple named Josh and Taryn. Taryn's the one that actually contacted me. And outside of Montgomery, there's an Air Force base called Maxwell. Well, they had recently, he was in the Air Force, so they recently had gotten stationed there. Well, both them were avid hunters. So they researched the area. They'd never been in Alabama before moving there. And they found it was a good Turkey state. And not that far. I think she said it was maybe like an hour away. There was a county called Barbara County and it's supposed to be one of the best turkey hunting areas in the state. So they had a little tier dock camper. So they went ahead. The turkey hunting was in the

spring. So this happened like in November 2020. They went in, there's a campground. And it's there. There's a wildlife management area in the Barbara County. If you go to Earth, you can see it. It's pretty impressive. There's lots and lots and lots of acres. But when they went there in November, early November, the turkey season wasn't until, I think it was March or April, but since they'd never been there, they wanted to go there when, you know, there's a lot of pine trees, but there was other trees that didn't have leaves. So they wanted to be able to see really well the lay of the lands. So when they go back there, they figured there'd be a lot more hunters in the area, and they wanted to make sure that they knew how to get around and navigate the area

safely. So that's what they did. They brought their tiered out camper. They were going to stay for a couple days. There was only one other camper on the other end of the campground at the time they were there. So they set their tent up. She said the gravel road was right in front of them. There was a fire pit between the gravel road and where their camper, their camper was sideways space in the fire pit. So they went around scouting. And the whole first day, they scouted, they found, you know, like kind of what, what they were looking for. They learned the area and how to navigate and where likely hunting areas and habitat and so forth. So that was all fine and good. So that evening, they built a fire and they got lawn chairs set up right now.

up with the bat to the teardrop camper. Well, her husband Josh, she said he starts telling these ghost stories and she said he's a really prolific storyteller. So she starts getting kind of scared. She said, you know, out there it's so dark and creepy and you can hear different animals in the distance. And she said, I wanted a subject change. So she had remembered that she brought her turkey call on.

I'm going to practice my turkey call. So she gets out of the camper. And I don't remember how she said it, but the way she described it, the turkey call, I've seen these before. It's like a box. It has this lid that you scrape across it. But she was so in, but she was telling them clumps and gallocks and all the noise that she was making. So she said she hadn't used it for a couple of years. So she practiced it. She said she did it like 20 minutes. And she said it wasn't long. They hear some rustling in the bushes. And her husband tells her, you might want to hold up on that turkey call. You're calling in a fox or a coyote or something.

Well, where the fire was, the bushes were on the left side of the camper. something comes around the end, and she said she heard something come, but she saw this pair of glowing eyes, and it was just out of the fire of the light. And then it comes towards them a little bit. And actually, this is the only account I heard where they actually came fairly close to the fire, which was kind of scared. I always figured they'd be scared of fire. So it comes out there, and to the left, she says, this thing, she described the spider crawl, just like what other witnesses seen. This thing was on all fours. But she said this was kind of going back and forth and kind of bad.

bending back and forth, like swaying and looking intimidating. And by this time, she'd quit the turkey call, of course, so they were sitting there terrified. And she didn't really know what to do. She thought, my God, we're dead meat. So she's looking around to the other side for a possible exit because the camper's right behind them. And pretty soon they see a pair of eyes on the other side. This one comes over to the right side, and now they're trapped. And this one's down on all fours. I forget which one, if it was the left or the right. One of them was much bigger than the other one. And so she'd feel like later one of them was a juvenile, but just the same. It's pretty scary.

So she said they felt like they were pinned in. You got the fire pit. You got one in the spider maneuver on the left, one on the right, the camper behind him. And she said it was going through her mind. Like, my God, is there another creature behind the camper? If I try to run back, it's all woods. I don't want to run there. And she knew.

She said, if I go in the camper, this thing could probably get on us before we could get in the camp and get the door closed. And she said before she knew it, her husband started. saying, you know what, the Lord's prayer, he started saying the Lord's prayer. And he said, then they stopped advancing. They just stood there and looked at him. And he said, so whenever she says, she doesn't offer the prayer because he was talking. But once he started doing that, they stopped and they stared at him.

So then he got to the end of the prayer. He started saying it louder. They start backing up. So then he stands up and says it the third time really loud. They backed up and they took off. And she said, when they went around the bushes, one on the right, one on the left, you could tell they went up on two feet. And because she said it sounded like you can tell the way they are running.

And they made a point to make it noisy as they were going off in the distance. And you could see them or hear them getting out of there. And she said that so she doesn't know if it's the power of that prayer or if it was a talking or a combination of two. But she said, I didn't know what to do. I thought we were going to die. She said, I was just sitting there frozen in fear. She said, I guess I had the flight or fright.

And I was fright. And then I talked to her husband, Josh. He was a really nice man, but he said, I don't know what come over me. I didn't know what else to do. So he said, silently, I was praying. So I thought, I'm going to do it out loud. And maybe it'll make a difference. So he said, I got more bold.

He said that third time when he stood up, he goes, I don't know. He said, I didn't do it consciously. He goes, I don't hardly remember standing later. My wife told me I stood. He said, I think it was all on adrenaline. But he feels like that, intimidate him for whatever reason. And those things took off. But it was the turkey call that brought them in.

So, you know, who would have thought that sitting at a fire that that was going to bring in a big foot? But I think they, I don't know if they knew it was a turkey call or if they thought it was a turkey. And there, the dinner bell was ringing. But that was a pretty scary one too. Yeah, one on all fours in that spider movement is creepy enough. I can't imagine two of them. And, you know, again, I love reading eyewitness accounts. I think you get a lot of information from the eyewitnesses.

as far as what the creature is doing. And you can kind of figure out why it's doing what it's doing. And again, I got my copy coming. The book is Crouching Behemoth, Quadropedal, Sasquatch, eyewitness accounts. And if you enjoy encounters, definitely check out the book. I'll include a link below. John, I know that you've been on a journeyman for the longest time after your encounter, especially writing this book and doing all the work of getting the eyewitnesses.

testimony and all the other stuff you did with Dr. Harmon with the PTSD, Dr. Meldrum, and all these interviews, man. It's, I admire the journey you've been on. Thank you so much for coming back. Well, I appreciate that, Wes. Like I say, if there would have been something out there, I probably wouldn't have ever wrote the book, but I wanted answers and I couldn't find any reading material on it. I like to read and I couldn't find anything.

So I thought, you know what, as long as I'm studying this. I was willing to put the three years it took in it just to make a complete journal. If you notice it says eyewitnesses and more. There's more even in there than just the eyewitnesses. There's several different chapters on it talks about game cameras and different things. And there's some other surprises in there. But there's also a quiz in there at the end testing your Sasquatch IQ. There's a lot of different things to do in there.

And there's also, you know, I take life seriously and I take Bigfoot seriously. but also through life, I think you've got to have a little sense of humor sometimes. So there's things in there that people will read that will make them smile once in a while where I'll ship gears from maybe the previous story was really scary. And then I might lighten it up with something a little funny for a minute just to get, bring people back down from that that high. Because you can't stay on that adrenaline for the whole way through. So it's kind of a journey where you ship gears back and forth. But I really hope that that people enjoy it. I tried hard on it.

And like I say, I really appreciate you coming on and talking about it. And I really enjoyed sharing some of the stories, too. Yeah, without a doubt. And I hope people go and check it out. Thanks again, John. Thank you, West. I really appreciate it. And that's it for tonight, everyone.

Remember, if you've had an encounter, shoot me an email. My email address is Wes at Sasquatch Chronicles.com. And if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. You can become a member and get additional shows. Until next time, everyone. She's got a smile and it seems to me reminds me a childhood memories where everything was as fresh as a bright blue sky. And now and then when I see her face, she takes me away to that special place. If I stared too long, I'd probably break down the cry

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