Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:115 The shooting incident

Episode Date: June 17, 2015

Tonight I will be speaking with two witnesses, one is a tracker from Canada and has spent many years working in the forest. He was replanting trees and was dropped in to a location by helicopter. He came across some human-like tracks but they were not human. Several years later he came across tracks that looked just like the ones he had seen before so he decided to follow them. He saw movement in the wood line and thought it was a grizzly bear but it was walking on two legs. When he got too close, it whistled in the opposite direction from him and that's when he decided it was time to go. My second guest had two encounters, one when he was a child and the other encounter was just a few years ago. The more recent encounter involves a shooting incident. The men thought they were shooting a bear until it stood up. The witness describes gorilla like behavior from the creature. I will also be discussing the police officer incident in Texas.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle. I knew what a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. His eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

The look it was given me. What were here, please? See you. Get somebody out here. What's going on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Saskwatch Chronicle.

A place where people share their accounts. Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. You know, it's interesting. I got a phone call last night. I actually started out with an email. But I spoke with a police officer in Texas.

And he was getting called out to this prowler call on these people's property. And what's interesting when I spoke, with him, he just started listening to the show. He flat out told me that he didn't know if Sasquatch was real or not. He's never seen one. But it's a topic that's always fascinated him. But he was telling me about this prowler call he was getting called out to these people's property. And their house backs up to the National Forest. The police officer said the first time he was called out to the property was about 11 o'clock at night. And the witness had reported seeing three large black males around his property, moving stuff around his property.

When he had called the police, he was looking out the window. They made eye contact. The three black males, as a witness reports, ran back into the wood line. And in his mind, he thought these were homeless guys. He thought these were people messing with his property. Cop went out there. Nothing was really taken. Nothing was really, there was nothing really to report.

The cop gets called back out there a week later. it's about 2 o'clock in the morning. And the person who called the police stated that the homeless guys, three black men, were back. They were throwing rocks at his house. He either thought they were throwing rocks at his house or slapping the side of his house. Cop goes out there.

He doesn't really see any damage. He just doesn't, you know, they're not there. There's nothing. He tells the homeowner, hey, I'll be in the area. If they return, call me. They kind of searched their property around, couldn't find any evidence of any people out there messing with this guy's property. And the guy told the officer something interesting. He said, you know, I'm really getting sick of this.

I think these are homeless guys living out in the forest behind my home. He goes, I hear him all hours of the night out there screaming, yelling, chopping down trees. And the officer had asked the witness, what do you mean chopping down trees? He goes, well, you hear chopping, and then you hear trees falling over. He goes, I think they're out there chopping. He goes, I think they're living out there. When I spoke with the police officer, he said he was perplexed by it because, A, they don't really have a whole lot of African Americans out in this particular county in Texas. And B, he's never heard of a prowler call where the prowler is trying to make as much noise as possible. So he said he's kind of perplexed by it. It doesn't really make sense to him what's going out on this property. There's nothing ever really gets taken, nothing ever really gets damaged, even when the witness had reported either the house being slapped or rocks being thrown at the house. There was no damage to the house. And so the cop's kind of perplexed. He's been out there several times. When I spoke with him, he asked me what my opinion of it was. And I told him, I said, you know what? It sounds like Sasquatch activity to me. It sounds like they have a couple Sasquatches out there. It's an older home. They recently moved into it. It back. It back. It.

up to the National Forest, all the behavior sounds like Sasquatch activity. I don't think it's quote-unquote three black guys out there messing with this guy's property. But if you don't believe in Sasquatch, what else could it be? I'll tell you what, I'm going to use a lifeline here. I'm going to phone a friend. I'm going to call Tim Sermons, our buddy down there in Texas. Tim, I'm on, who wants to be a millionaire? I know you've already heard the question. The responses

are A, Sasquatch, B, Sasquatch, C, Sasquatch, or D, three black men causing trouble on this farm. Your answer, please. The Sasquatch, final answer. Thanks, man. Tim Sermons, everyone. Well, there you go, folks. You know, it's, if you don't believe in Sasquatch, I guess you could chalk it up to homeless people or vagrants or, you know, whatever you want to chalk it up to. I really think that this guy has activity going on in this property.

But I get it. You know, if Sasquatch isn't the soupy swimming, it's easy to pass it off as something else. Everything sounds like Sasquatch behavior, though. I'll give you updates as soon as I have them. My first guest tonight is Dan, and Dan's actually from Canada. His father was a tracker, taught him how to track. He worked a lot in the foreword. forest. Dan, welcome to the show.

Oh, no, thank you. I appreciate the time, for sure. And I know you wanted to give a shout-out, so I'll let you go ahead and do your shout-out. Yeah, I just wanted to see if there's anyone in Alberta who's seen anything or anything like that that would like to get in touch with me. I'm always interested in getting out in the field. So if you're in southern Alberta or eastern British Columbia, for sure, you're in, you're in, You can get an email at D.C. Ronald at hotmail.com. And just let me know if you want to get out in the field. I'm always interested in just checking things out for sure.

Yeah, so definitely hopefully people in your area will contact you. The first time you found tracks, and I want to get into your second encounter, which is a little bit more extensive than your first, but it's probably important to tell this first encounter. you were actually, well tell the audience, what were you doing at the time and what did you see as far as tracks? My dad's a park ranger up in Alberta here. I grew up, I was born in Banff National Park and I grew up in the provincial park system my whole life, lived out in the wilderness.

I'm an avid hunter, fisher. You know, just because of being in contact with my dad, you know, he's a trained rescue tracker who goes up. on rescues and does pursue tracking. And they sort of like have their own organization where they go and all get together with law enforcement officials, border patrol individuals, and anyone else who's into like the tracking world. And they have their little seminars and stuff like that and train. So I'm secondhand exposed to a lot of information on tracking.

And, you know, because I'm an avid hunter, I'm out there. and I'm practicing. It's one of those things that, you know, I pride myself on as far as the skill set, you know what I mean? You have a background in tracking. You have a background. Your dad, you know, from your dad, so you know when you've seen a bear track,

you know when you've seen a cougar track, you know when you've seen the animals, the known animals out there, you know what you're looking at when you see these. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, I've hunted all, you know, all my whole, life, basically. And I can tell you exactly what a track, what track is. And just, just based on experience a lot of times, you know, like I can tell you, you know, what they're doing and things

like that. You know what I mean? The first experience I had would have been in 2004. I was up, we were tree planning. I was in college there. My first year, first summer break in college. I got a job. Tree planning up in northern British Columbia, and we had a big contract up north of Fort St. John towards the Pink Mountain Area. I guess it would be all east of that from east of the Alaska Highway

toward the Alberta border. So I don't know if any of your listeners are aware of the area, but, I mean, basically there's really nothing up there besides oil and gas, blogging, you know, infrastructure. We were on a telecontract. So basically we drove down

an access road off of the Alaska Highway. I think we were 80 or so kilometers in off that point, and then we drove to our staging point where the helicopters meet us and they fly us out. It was probably only like a 15-minute flight to the drop point, and then they drop us off.

There's trees already organized there, and then you basically... bag up by that. I mean, you just take the, you have like tree planning, the sacks on your hips and you load them up with, we load up about 300 to 300 to 500 trees, depending on what we're planning, and then you head up.

And we're doing high angle plants. So we basically like bagged up in the morning after I got dropped off from the helicopter and walked up. And it was just kind of like a, it's one of those cup locks that kind of was, a little bit eerie just because we had found a moose kill on that cup lock and uh it was just covered in berries we often have times you know like where we encounter grizzlies quite often while we're up there working so you're always kind of on on guard and and looking around but uh

i bagged up and did my first line so usually you plant along the tree line and then fill back down toward your supply of trees during so that you're not like having a crossover areas that you plant it so I planted up the tree line and first thing you know nature called and we're always planting in pairs just for safety and so I told my partner you know you go on ahead I'd sound like a nice little spot just kind of in a bench that was on our piece so I tucked in on this little bench and it was it's kind of a really neat spot because you could overlook like the whole valley and just the huge area around us tucked in there and kind of found a little spot where I could do my business and just as I was getting set I looked down and I noticed there was like a trail

through the grass just impressions more than anything there was a black ant hill where they pull up the really spying soil and it was one track just stomped in it. As a kid growing up in the bush, you know, I've done that thousands of times where you just thumped an antil and watched him run around and it was a track. Like I have a size 9 foot and it was, it was a range around the same size of my foot,

but it was like, I don't know, I was kind of call it like a block foot. Like it was as wide as it was long. It was a barefoot human track on a cup lock. that we flew into. Like, there's just no one out there. What did you think when he saw it? The first thing I honestly thought was, you know, like, oh, my God, who was just here? You know what I mean?

Like, I kind of first thought someone was maybe playing a joke on me, you know what I mean? But we just flew in. We were lucky enough to be the first group to fly in because you kind of like you get paid by the trees. You want to be first in, laughed out to make. your money. So, I mean, yeah, I honestly thought someone was like playing a joke on me and then I kind of just started looking at the track. It was just one of those perfect imprint. It was, you know, the perfect soil conditions just for immaculate detail. You could see,

I guess, like the dermal ridges just that they came like down the side of the foot and kind of like ran parallel to the side of the foot. And it was just, you know what I mean? Like, it was strange. And, you know, my dad was a park ranger, and he actually wrote a paper when he was in Forestry School on Sasquatch, and he had had a couple books from that sitting around. So I had read those when I was a kid and was exposed to the idea of Sasquatch. But, I mean, in my whole life, I'd never encountered anything like that.

And as soon as I saw it, it just didn't make sense more than anything else. It didn't look human because it was so wide, and it was just in a location that was, you know, indescribable for someone to be walking barefoot. Like, you wouldn't walk across a cup block in bare feet. You and I talked about the track earlier. It's like what I was telling you earlier. You know, I've seen that track personally,

physically seen that track before, that type of track before, and I've seen casts of that type of track before. But when you see it, when you're out walking around and you see it, you automatically think, like, I think I described it to you as, like, Fred Flintstone's foot.

Yeah, like a block foot. And you know what? It was funny because it was just like, it's one of those things were like, you know, as a kid I'd done it hundreds of times, and I knew exactly what had happened there. You know what I mean? Like that, it was so fresh

that the ants were still running around on it. They hadn't repaired it even, you know, like a little bit. So it really put me on edge because I knew whatever it made, that track had just left a scene and then I could see just the impressions in the grass. It wasn't like any screaming, you know, you know, Sasquatch evidence other than this completely out of place track, you know what I mean? Did you ever show the track to your partner?

I pulled them over and I was like, you know, man, you got to look at this and he was like, yeah, there's a track. And I was like, yeah, no. And then I was like, what is a barefoot human doing out here? And he was like, oh, my God. Like, we actually went down to our, we call them caches where we keep our bags and stuff like that. And we were trying to get a camera to take a photo of it. It was before, you know, I had a good digital camera or anything like that.

And we had forgotten our camera at the truck. So, you know, we tried to tell people like, oh, my God, we've seen this Ascot track. And I was just like, you know, the first time I really experienced like that, sure you did, you know what I mean? Like just no, even my cat was like, it was a bear track. I'm like, you don't understand that it wasn't anything other than

it wasn't a human track. I'll just say that, you know what I mean? But you got blowback from talking about it. Do you want to fast... Yeah, people made fun of me. Yeah, and that's generally what happens. Do you want to fast forward to when you found those sets of tracks again

and you were fishing? Kind of walk the audience into what happened. Okay. So I guess it would be fast. forward, like, eight years, you know what I mean? And I'd been, like, after seeing that track, is absolutely fascinated by the idea of Saskwatch and doing tons of research, you know what I mean?

And I even, like, I told my wife, you know, like, I've seen the tracks. I know they're out there, and I told my dad, they're like, you know, they're like, sure you did. Like, no, you understand. I know they're out there. So, fast forward again, like I said, I was up kind of similar area.

south of Pink Mountain on the west end or sorry the east side of that Alaska Highway again back towards Alberta we're we're working out for oil and gas company doing directional drilling so I mean I kind of like seek out jobs where I can get out in the bush and I really enjoy you know just after growing up there my whole life we were coming into a drilling right and I don't like The roads are basically just go trails, you know what I mean, up to these drill sites. And I always bring all my fishing gear along with me. You know, oftentimes whenever I can, I, you know, bring my hunting gear and stuff. But it was mid-summer, so I just brought all my fly-fishing stuff.

And he was just kind of looking for a spot to go. And on the way into the rig, he came across, like, a really nice little stream. There was, you know, lots of little meandering spots, beaver ponds. And then there was a real steep incline, and it was like real death trap of a bridge, like a steep bridge, one-lane bridge going up the hill. And as you looked over to the left-hand side, so that would be probably north, I just looked over and there was like a really nice fishing hole that was down there. You could see where the river was, you know, paralleling the road,

and then hit a really, like the steep bank that we were driving out. and then made like a right angle. There was a deep, you know, swirling pool that you could see from the road. And my buddy, you know, we have the two-way radios all the timing radio. I mean, he's like, there's your fishing hole, bud. And I'm like, you know it is. So it took a couple days to actually, like, get all set up. And I'd gone out the day before on a spot on that same stream that was

closer to the rigmar on, but I'd, you know, come across that day alone, like a set of bear tracks that was from at least you know a thousand pound grid like the width of the track was I'd say around you know seven to eight inches you know I mean like you put your hand in it and it doesn't doesn't cover even the pad of the grid lead track you know what I mean and then I don't know I say you some photos from some of the game that had been taken out of that area like it's monster country like I came across a set of wolf track You know, like a pack of wolves that had gone through the river. You know, eight, nine individuals.

You can see the alpha track is well over 200 pounds. So when you're out flyfish in there, you don't just zone out and throw your earbuds in and let it roll. So I was parked on the uphill side of the bridge, which I guess would have been kind of like a funny, funny spot to park. and headwalk downhill and then under the bridge on the downstream side. Just kind of looking back at it, I think that's probably the only reason I ever seen anything is because most people would have driven down the bridge, parked on the downhill side.

It's only a one-lane bridge. There's turn off on both sides. Most people would have just parked on the downhill side and walked in. There was a pretty well-beaten pass down there, even with a quad-path, you know what I? because it's one of the only places you could cross that stream. It's not like, you know what I mean? There's no one up there. There's people out there, hunters and stuff like that,

and oil and gas workers. So I parked there, walked around, and was kind of like tied on a fly under the bridge, and it was just, we're fishing for Arctic Grayling, so I just tied on, gave a few casts, and there was like a little bit of a log break just under the bridge. I cast it out there and

like hooked up into some roots and snap my fly off like pretty much immediately. So I was like I'll just walk up to this fishing hole like you could see it was a deep hole. And I'd say to you earlier it was probably like under 200 yards when I was thinking about it.

It was probably like 150 maybe 120 yards from the bridge to the hole. Just sort of reeled in and started walking up towards the hole. You know, just kind of getting feel for the area and scouting it out. And as I was walking up stream, there's two ducks. Well, they're like fishing ducks.

They're common mcans, the red-headed ones, they eat a lot of fish. And usually when you see them, it's a good sign that there's something in the hole. So they flushed up off the hole and flew downstream towards me. And it was just enough to give me that like, hmm, one of the one of the one. push those up and I was just kind of like looking up at the hole and just you know just being aware of what was around and just on the other side of the stream on the on the across the stream the sun was actually shining like kind of downstream out of you and I just seen a huge brown movement cut across a gap in the trees just and I immediately thought grizzly because you're

out there you're looking for grizzly you know what I mean I would imagine in that point of the country, you really have to be careful and be on alert for grizzlies because it's not like dealing with the black bear. Yeah, there's grizzly cougar and, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know, I said to you a couple of pictures of the predators that were taken out of there. It's enough to make most people stay out of the woods. I was kind of on guard already, and then there was, the docs came flushing up downstream

towards me, which is just another thing. Like, usually they'll fly away from you. And they flushed up. flew downstream and I was like, hmm, and then boom, just huge, huge movement cut between two trees, and it was kind of silhouetted, you know what I mean? And I thought, grizzly, you know what I mean? But, you know, I fish with my gun and a can of pepper spray pretty well everywhere I'd go, you know what I mean? And so I'd pull out the gun, and I'd pull up my pepper spray, and I was just kind of like looking towards the spot,

and as I looked upstream, I could see a set of tracks that had come out of the bush down to the stream and then upstream from me. They were big enough that I could see them from, you know, several yards away. I'd have been about, you know, 50 yards away, but still, like, big tracks. And it was one of those things where you, like, you see something, you think it's something,

and then I just kind of like thought, that's not right, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, that didn't really, it didn't seem like a bear. So I continued walking forward. I just wanted to check the scene out, and I didn't want to go home and not fish or back to the rig and not fish.

So I kind of went back, went up towards the scene, and I was walking in, and I could see just massive. barefoot human tracks that it came out of, out of there was like a strip of spruce trees. So there's the river, like a little pebble beach and some sand and stuff like that, and a strip of spruce trees that were about five, six feet wide and then like a little clearing on the other side.

So whatever it was in the trees had spotted me or heard me and came out and look from the only spot on the river where you could see where I was standing when I was under the bridge and then walked upstream and as I got closer I just looked and they were like I don't know you like it would have to be Shaquille O'Neal that made the tracks you know what I mean they were like perfectly flat foot track like sneaking like flat foot and there was one where I sent you a photo that it was like the, uh, he had set his foot down right beside the stick, you know what I mean? There's a stick on the beach and he set his foot down avoidantly, you know what I mean? Like, changed the course of his foot, set it down and it was like right beside the stick

and walked off. They all flat footed. And I just kind of wanted to know, like, at that point, like, had I seen the Sasquatch, you know, and basically, I'm looking at it and, you know, basically, I'm looking at it and, you know, it's There's one of the tracks that you could see there was a double dimple in the middle of the foot where it like, it doesn't have like an arch. It has a double dimple in the middle of the foot where the foot bent over. And you could see there's just the toe spray on it is huge.

Like the big toe, the size of an egg. And then it comes off at like, you know, an angle from the foot. And then the rest of the toes were like gripping. the end of the mud, do you know what I mean? Like, splayed out. So kind of like, would you say kind of like a gorilla's foot? No, not anything like that, but like, I don't know if you've ever seen like the tracks of someone that's ever worn shoes, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't know what else they're playing it. Like, with my, your toes are like splay out. They were like normal sized, I don't have to describe it without a photo or anything like that. Almost like it was grabbing with the toes is what you're saying. Yeah. your toes were able to, like, spread out and grip into the ground. I mean, like, I've seen it, like, on guys that, and when I went to the Amazon, like, the locals, like, they've never worn shoes, and their feet, like, they set their feet

down and their toes, like, grab the ground in front of them, because they've never worn shoes, you know what I mean? You're just, it develops a different type of foot, I guess. I don't know, you know what I mean? But it was strange enough to where it didn't look human. and there's the physiology of the track with that double dimple. You know what I mean?

Like a human foot doesn't have that morphology. Like you can't bend your foot in the middle of your foot. It was like, stay where your ankle is about, you know, halfway between the ankle and the toe. There's another bent in that foot that leaves an impression in the center of the track. Oh, I got you. I've heard.

I've heard like a lot of the other like, you know, stuff on Sasquatch guys called the mid-torsel break. Right. So just seeing that, like, it just made the hair stand up on the back of my neck, you know what I mean? And knowing that I'd seen it right after it flushed those ducks. And I could see this on the other side of the river where there was only like one really dense stand of spruce trees. And the rest was a big slope, you know what I mean? where the bridge was cut into, and then there's, like, a flat, like,

river, river valley, or your flats on the, like, where the river flats butt into a slope, and there's a big stand of spruce trees, great of the, I guess, would be the sheltered side of the hill, you know what I mean? So I just, you know, immediately just super curious, because, you know,

what actually came across my mind was like, aha, I told you so, you know what I mean? like all the people that they'd cut to me and my wife, everything. This is sort of like, aha, I knew it. And then I just sort of needed to know,

like, what I'd seen. So I started tracking it up at the beach that came to where it crossed the stream. And it's not like a big stream, you know what I mean? The river itself is like the, there's little rapids above the fishing hole. And it was only probably,

I don't know, 120 feet across, you know what I mean? So I just tracked it up to that point and it was walking within a normal gate. I just sort of, I crossed across the stream and it went from a normal gate in the spot where it was sneaking away from me to, like, right where it would have flushed those ducks up. And it went from, like, I pasted it the way I measured,

it was as far as I could possibly. stepped, like stretched out, and it did one out of the water, one step like that, like flat-footed to another step on, like a rock, like a rock, uh, wash rock beach, let's go, you know, boulders, the size of baseballs and, like, all kind of rounded river rock. And then from there, it stepped, like, it covered, like, over six feet span, and it stepped up onto the, the bank about three feet and it did it from a flat foot and track and these were just wet foot impressions on the stones to a wet foot impression on the bank so it went and covered 20 feet in a matter of strides and just and up onto the bank too and at that point i just like i don't know what it was

like my body wouldn't allow me to go any further you know what i mean i just kind of froze i turned back around and I came back to the spot where like on the other side of that deep hole I was just kind of like looking into the into the spruce trees where it had gone down the trail it was like a good game trail that ran and laid it along that hole and I was looking into that set of trees and you know I had my gun out my pepper spray on my other hand and just on high alert, like, just scanning for any movement, any sort of tal. Because I knew it was, I mean, I knew it was there. I knew I'd just seen it.

I knew it had gone that direction. I knew where it was. And I was looking, looking, and there's just nothing, no movement. But it was just dead quiet, and all of a sudden, it whistled like a chickadee, just like this. I kind of was like, oh, my God, because it sounded off, like deep. It was way deeper than a chickadee. It was like a big guy trying to impersonate a chickadee.

And the first thing, you know what I mean, that struck my mind was, it's whistling at me. So I actually, like, whistled back to it with the same call. And even just, like, halfway through what I was doing in my mind just, like, switched because as a hunter, that's one of the things I do, especially when I have, like, a close group of friends that I hunt with, my brother especially. And, you know, when you see something in the woods, you want to get your partner's attention, you don't go like, hey. Right, you whistle.

You whistle to him. Yeah, like, what we use is, like, the same thing. And chickadee whistle, too, is what really freak me out. It's like, we always do the, like, the cheeseburger call, like, just to get your buddy's attention. And then I just, like, right at that point, I just thought, like, oh my God, he's not whistling to me. And I had this vision of, like, you know,

a basketball-sized rock, like, gummy in me in the back of the head, and I just turned and lit out, man. Like, I was gone. Man, it sprinted as fast as I could. You know, I was armed and sitting there, but literally it felt like I was carrying like a peace shooter. Mike Wully talked about his encounter, and it's kind of like a little bit like yours,

except for I think they were a little bit closer, and his was a little bit more up. close and personal. But one of the things he said in his encounter was it turned and whistled. And kind of like the whistle you just did. And he didn't realize what it was doing at first until another one showed up. Another one came right to where this thing had whistled or called for it. And, you know, it makes you wonder.

I mean, we do the exact same thing. You're right. A lot of hunters do that. They'll whistle so you don't scare the game away. It makes you wonder if you were game that. day. Yeah, like, the thing, the thing is, is like that river crossing there, it runs along the, you know what I mean, like a good incline, and it's really the only place that you can cross that, I'd say creek easily, because the rest of it's got like, it's kind of like one of those

musk-ed-cats that's keyed out, and it's got like a lot of deep holes and slow-moving areas, lots of decomposing plant matter, you know what I mean? It's tough to get through anyways. But there's, like, a really, really hard-packed trail that crosses at the rapids just above that spot. And there's game, like, you wouldn't believe, like elk, moose, deer, sign. And then there's also wild horses right in that area that we've seen earlier. So in my mind, it was sitting right along the trail at a major choke point. And also, it was like a lookout because anyone that does, had probably come up to that spot previously

and parked in the lower pull-out zone and walked along that game trail right up to that cross right where the deep hole is and you know what I mean? It was like a perfect lookout spot. Yeah, it was a perfect ambush spot. A lot of hunters will choose areas like that, you know, where the deer and the animal,

they all funneled into this. It sounds like a perfect funnel where prey funnels into an area and I know a lot of hunters look for that. Yeah, it was like a little choke point Right where there's tons of like Tons of game come along there I mean the river's draw all the games

They need water It provides lots of food And all this other stuff You know what I mean There's But that was It was parked in a spot where it could easily I don't know

If you were working together One on either side of that river You know there's nothing getting by you on that trail Guarkeyed you know It's an interesting take from someone who's out there all the time someone who's a known, you know, you're a tracker to see something like that. You know, like I said, isn't your first day in the woods, it's not, you know, you're not a city guy coming in and might mistake something for something else.

No. Yeah. And I'm not one of those guys. Like I, like you said, I've seen a lot of things out there. And I'm not one of those guys that's like everything, Sasquatch, you know what I mean? I, I spend a lot of time in the wood. I live out there. You know, I do solo five-day trips all the time prospecting and a hundred-being.

out of, so. Well, I can't think enough for being on the show. And do you want to give your email address one more time for people? Yeah, for sure. Anyone who is in the Alberta or, I guess, Eastern B.C. areas, if you want to contact me at E.C. Ronald at hotmail.com, you feel free. And, yeah, I'd love to get out in the field and just check out a few spots. Well, I appreciate it, Dan.

Yeah. Thank you again for being. I appreciate you having the honor. I was a big fan and give me a call anytime for sure. Yeah, thank you again for being on, ma'am. Right on, take care. Thanks a lot. My next guest is Chance, and Chance actually had a couple encounters. One was in Oklahoma, and the other one was in Arkansas,

and he describes an encounter he had as a child, and then one many years later were him and a friend of his actually shot one. Chance, welcome to the show. I appreciate you being here tonight. Oh, it's my pleasure. Your first encounter happened in Oklahoma. Can you walk us through? Tell us what you're doing. Tell us what you saw.

Just kind of walk us into the whole encounter, if you would. Well, what I was doing was I was really just a kid, and I had a friend staying over for basically the whole summer, and we were, oh, eight or nine years old, and we were just out messing around, catching fireflies and stuff, and lived all in the outskirts of town, but, you know, in town, but right beside me, there was an empty field.

you know, 300 acres out there probably with nothing on it. And there's a creek that went through there. And then him would go out in this field at night and catch up fireflies and stuff. And we had these little cheap flashlights as we know we were kids. And we went out there one evening and catch the fireflies. There's probably 8.30 from 9 o'clock of night, somewhere around there. It was probably 1988 and 485. We were walking around out there.

And we've seen something that was unusual because it was in the field and couldn't get a good look at it. So we got kept getting closer and closer. And by the time our little lights finally did illuminate it, it was just standing in the middle of this field. It was almost completely gray with the look like maybe red mud or something mixed in with it, like it maybe been in the creek. But it didn't look dirty here or anything like that.

But it was standing kind of quartered away from us, and it was just kind of looking back at us. I mean, it was completely aware of us. And that was the first thing that came to both. of our minds, you know, it was Bigfoot, you know, but of course, you know, at the time, you know, Bigfoot was only in California and there was only one or two, so it couldn't be Bigfoot. So we were sitting there trying to think of what this thing was. And like I said, the flashlights we had were just horrendous because we were trying to get a

better look at this thing. Life went out and the time we braddled it back on, it was pretty much almost completely out of our side. it probably moved probably 50 or 60 yards to the wood line and had it back to us and that's the last glimpse we got of it. We did go ahead and walk down that way,

but not very far before we thought better of it and went ahead and went back home. When it walked away, did it walk away on two legs the whole time? Yeah, it was definitely on two legs the whole time. Yeah, there was no doubt about it. I mean, when we got a good glimpse of it, I mean, I mean, however, we were standing within 30 feet of this thing. like I said, we were just kids, but definitely got a good look at it.

I mean, there was no mistaken what this thing was. I mean, it almost looked like a messed up, but it was gray and really big. I mean, it was just unbelievable the size of this thing. I mean, it wasn't overly tall. It was just overly big in every single way. Do you remember any features of it, or was it? Is it mainly the... Yeah, mostly really the face is what I'm.

I remember the most because, like I said, the little lives we had really bad, but the way it was turned back, looking at it, the face was mostly didn't have any hair on it. I mean, it was almost like a man with a beard, but the beard was, you know, real scraggly looking. It wasn't, you know, a solid, full beard. And the hairline started out almost at the, I had a big ridge for eyebrows, you know, it had a big ridge right above its eyes and its hair, it basically. started almost there and started going back at a definite cone-shaped head. You know, its forehead was definitely slanting back. Like I said, it was gray, and I mean, its eyes, solid brown eyes. It's just almost like a sharp size that are softened black, but these were solid brown. Yeah, that's interesting.

Do you remember anything? Were the arms longer? Were they in proportion? About the only time I really ever seen most of his arms was whenever he was walking away, and it did seem like they were actually a little bit too long for his body. Like whenever he was walking, it seemed like, like I said, I didn't seem to take a long walk, maybe three or four steps. And he seemed like his knees, his hands were actually below his knee.

Yeah, and so he kind of had the impression like you're looking at a weird-looking gorilla or... Yeah, and it seemed like it wasn't, and the way it walked, too. It was not like it was walking straight upright, like, man, I mean, it wasn't hunched over either, but just the whole way that it walked, it walked kind of like it was a squat. You know what I mean? It wasn't like a completely up tall, you know, just strolling.

It was kind of squatted down. Yeah. That makes any sense. No, it makes complete sense, actually. They do have a weird gate, especially when they're walking off. Did you tell anyone about this encounter afterwards? You know, at the time we didn't even consider telling them anymore

and tell you the truth. you know, we didn't meet him both. Just kind of put it off to, well, it's just something, you know, something weird we've seen, you know, because we didn't know what it was, you know, and it's time, you know, I'm sure if we'd have known what it was, you know, absolutely. We would have told someone, but the time,

you know, we really didn't know what it was, so we just chalked it up to nothing. A few years later, we did go down there and find prints down there on that creek. In fact, it wasn't me and that friend. It was me and my cousin actually went down there and scared him to death. and, in fact, he was for the tracks up, he left, because he was afraid. He lived down there by it.

What did the tracks look like? The main one we found, it looked like something, looked like something barefoot. It came up out of the creek, and the bank was, oh, I don't know, it was a clay bank. It was probably six or seven feet tall. And you could tell where it looked like this thing had stuck a foot, maybe halfway up the bank, three or four foot up on the bank. and then put a hand down on top of the bank, and I guess I'm assuming lifting himself up,

because that's all there was. It was a track of a foot, one foot, and a hand print on the very top of the base. Like he'd put a hand in a foot down and then just lifted himself up onto the bank. And once you got up on top of the bank, it was dry, and it wouldn't see if he prints for anything, but that's the only things we saw.

I mean, that was probably four or five years later. And then you had a second encounter, didn't you? Will you tell us about that? Yeah, a second encounter was just kind of came out of anywhere. Me and a friend of mine, we were out here up in the Arkansas, actually not too far from east of Fort Smith, 30 miles, down the Ozark Forest. We were out there pretty much road hunting at night. He was in the back of the truck, and I was in the front of the truck driving with a spotlight,

and we're creeping along a little country road. Some deer bust out of the butt brush in front of us about, oh, I don't know, a couple hundred yards at front of us, you know, bust out the brush, and there's a creek right on the other side of this road, and the deer run across this road, and usually when they hit that creek, they'll freak out, turn back around and run back across the road. Well, these didn't.

They just ran right across the road. Act like they were some running for some. And they went right across the road, and we hadn't really seen anything that night, that night, you know, just a few cannibals here and there. And we, uh, and once those deer crossed the road, we decided, well, we was pull up there and see if there's any more out there in the field where they just came. So we pulled up there and stopped and started glad hitting that field with the spotlight. And sure enough, not maybe 50 yards, 60 yards off the road, there was something standing there.

And a buddy in mind in the back with the gun, he said, I don't think that's a deer. I said, well, I really don't think it is either. I don't know what it would be. You know, we're out here, you know, there's no one's property. There's no cattle or horses or, you know, anyone's pet or anything like that out there. I said, I don't know what it is either. I said, I don't know what it is either. I said, okay, so he takes a shot of this thing, and he was just a horrible shot, and he was just shooting a little 22 anyway.

Kill a deer with the 22, yeah, pretty much didn't eye or right in the head. Anyway, he'd shot this thing. It didn't flanched, didn't do anything, but maybe five or six, six, seconds later it started rocking back and forth. Just maybe it rocks three or four times, and that's one where it started screaming at us. And it was just unbelievable. That buddy of mine that was actually there and actually shot this thing, he has it down

really good to sound, but of course I don't. But it was just absolutely unbelievable the way this thing sounded. It was like across between a screech owl and a wild cat caught in a trap or something. It was unbelievable. But really loud, the volume was what was unbelievable, just the sheer volume of the way this creature sounded. Then, of course, as soon as we looked back up behind me, and there was a truck coming down the road, so we had to shut the spotlight off and go. And this thing was still screaming at us. So we'd go ahead and leave, and we'd come back by, we got that truck out behind us, and didn't see any of anything standing there before.

So we went ahead and went home that evening. And that next day we got up, and we went back out there. because, I mean, the spot's obvious. I mean, there's no mistake and what it was that. And we went out there to work at shot this thing, and there was blood on the ground, but there was no animal anywhere around. But whatever it was had been standing in a ditch,

and this ditch had to have been four or five feet tall, so whatever it was was considerably taller than what we at first thought it was. Because at first we assumed it was about the deer size, you know, four feet, four and a half feet there at the head, you know, but once we got out there, seeing it was actually standing in the dish, this thing had to be at least six feet tall,

but I'd be up to where it was. And you guys never really got a good look at it, right? No, now this thing we did not, never really did get a good look. It really did. Now, I'm not, that's the reason I'm not saying it was definitely one, but, you know, I've seen Bearer. I've lived out here all my life.

I've seen Bear and Bobcats and Mount, everything you can see out here, I've seen. And that was definitely not. something that was every day. Yeah, most animals, especially after you shoot him, even if you can't take him down with a 22. Exactly. They're not going to stick around and vocalize.

Yeah, what kind of animal, you know, after you shoot it, you know, it's going to start, and I mean, it started coming towards since this point. After he shot it, it started coming towards the screen. You know, I mean, what animal does it? You know, I've shot, you know, lots of animals out of the road. and, you know, I've never had anything at anywhere near as, you know, creepy as that.

It was really strange. It really put the fear into it. That rocking back and forth, was it like a primate type rocking back and forth? I don't know if you've ever seen YouTube videos of primates when they're nervous or when they're agitated or right before they blow up,

they do this thing where they kind of rock back and forth. Now, see, this thing, it seemed like it was, It, to tell the truth, I think when we shot it, it pissed it off. And, you know, I don't make it... Because I think we're going to hit it up. You probably hit it in the head, but I don't think, you know, it's just probably glancing blow. I'm sure the bullet bounced right off the skull.

But it, and I think it pissed it all. Because that's one of them... Just as soon as we shot it, I mean, it wasn't like it... No means, was it a... I'm getting woozy from being shot rocking back and forth. I mean, this was a definite, here I come, rocking back and forth. You know, like it was... because it was coming.

I mean, it took several steps towards us and, you know, after he shot it. And I don't know if I had to stay there much longer. The other truck had to show up behind us or if I would have, you know, took off anyway just out of fear. Because the way this thing's screaming, it was unbelievable.

You ever went to a rock concert and sat too close to one of the speakers? It was something like that. It was unbelievable. The whole part of that encounter, there's a couple things that are interesting, but one of the things interesting about the encounter is the fact that it was coming towards you guys. Thank God that truck came because if all you had was at 22, one didn't take it down.

I don't think five or six are going to take it down. You know what I mean? Yeah, and I don't think so either. Yeah, I mean, I think my only option would have been to take off in the trucks. But, you know, I was definitely going to let it get closer because I'd like to see what it was. But, you know, my buddy in my back, he was panicking. He was, you know, he was on the shot. He was scared by then telling me, go, go.

Go, go, go. You know, and I'm in the truck. Hold on, I'm going to see, you know, what this thing is, because it was coming. And there's no fence or anything. There was just a little tree line in between us and it, you know. I mean, it wasn't like a lot of brush or anything like that. It was really strange, though. It was almost like a, I don't want to really say that it's hair or whatever was absorbing the light.

But I'm hitting this thing with a three-eight-million candle power spotlight, and it's not no more than 75 or 80 yards away at first. you know, you can see around this thing, but it's just like he was just, whatever this thing was, all you could see was eyes and a dark silhouette, even one of it came closer. I mean, you can see tree limbs and stuff in front of this thing, but this thing, you can see nothing but eyes and a silhouette. Yeah, we've had people in the past describe that. It has to do with, I think what we theorized was it has to do with the pigment of the skin. there's, when the light hits it, it's all with the pigment of the skin to give it that

appearance like this light soaking it up. Yeah, now that's exactly what it was. It was really, it was really odd. You know, the whole situation was just really, it was a, you know, I've been out in the woods, my whole life, tune hunting, whole nine yards, never even thought of being afraid out of woods. And, you know, this thing made the hair on the back of my neck stand up just instantly when it started screaming. I mean, but it was almost like a roller coaster ride, you know, just real intense.

Just here in the past, I don't know, three months or so, I have had several other things kind of happen. But now, before we had, my friend of my shop at one, it was about a mile from where I live. And I live out on 20 acres, you know, not real out in the country, but, you know, country enough. just the other night I was out walking the dog and you know out here in the country laying you know no life's nothing and I was just kind of mesmerized just letting you drag me around

I had him on a leash something started to scream at me twice from the wood line oh I don't know probably $150, 200 dollars out at first I kind of thought it was a very personal what it might have been a bull but then I got to thinking that you know this old man that had the land

next to him he passed away several years ago and they don't have cattle anymore. And about the time that hit me, it's, you know, I thought about that. It screamed again. This time it didn't sound like a bull. I didn't hear it anymore. But then a couple days later, I was out whistling for my dog to come in, of course. And something started whistling from about in the middle of my field.

My field is just a big overgrown mess. But something was mimicking me whistling. Really? Out in the middle of my field. Yeah, it was really odd. I mean, it was enough to, you know, it was definitely enough. to make me wonder, you know, who the hell's out the middle of my field? One o'clock nights.

You hear that all the time from witnesses when they have them around their property. Yeah, they mimic the whistle. Sometimes people hear them mimic them calling for their dog. Some people, I've heard people mimic where a husband, where a wife thought she heard her husband out in the forest calling for. Oh, geez. Just real weird stuff like that. You hear it all the time with witnesses.

How long ago did that encounter happen when you shot one? No, one of my friend of mine that wound at that one. I want to say that was in probably 2011 or so. I've done look today and see exactly what year was because I've got pictures on Facebook stuff of different things we shot around the same time and me and the same guy. So I know exactly what day it was or not day,

at least exactly what year it was. But I think it was somewhere around 2000. 1100. You know, I've had some several strange, you know, I've seen Panthers out here before, too,

you know, mountain lines, which we're not supposed to have. But, you know, and whatever that was out there, I mean, I don't really know what it was.

I mean, so I didn't get a good look at it. Like I said, it was, you know, you couldn't see the damn thing pretty much. But just the way it sounded,

it was definitely not something normal, just for lack of a better work. Yeah, and you've heard mountain, I mean, you've heard Cougar, you've heard. Yeah, exactly, yeah, and this was nothing like that. I mean, it was, you know, they sound more like a woman dying or something, you know, out there in the woods. And this thing was, I mean, it was, it was gnarly, really was, it's really strange. Yeah, that's strange, especially, I don't recommend shooting one near your property.

Yeah, I don't either, yeah. I didn't. Yeah, you know, at the time, I kind of figured it might have been a bear or something like that. You know, right when I told me to pull the trigger, I was assuming it was probably a bear or something. And then just right after that, I realized, hey, this is not a bear. I don't know what this is. And, I mean, it scared the hell out of my friend. I mean, you know, he was terrified.

I don't blame him. He was in the bag of the truck. He was afraid it was going to come snatch him out of the back of the truck. Now, I'm not saying it rushed the truck, but I mean, it took three or four definite steps towards us. And the whole time continuing to rock, it was really odd. Yeah, like it was pissed and it was coming to pay back. Yeah, it felt like it was rocking and then it stopped and then came towards us. No, this thing was, it kind of rocked four or five times, and then it started moving towards us while it was rocking.

I mean, when it was, it was swaying, I would say it was probably moving a good, you know, the eyes, what I could see, the eyes were moving back and forth a good two or three feet. I mean, this was not a gentle sway. I mean, it wasn't like an animal just shaking its head or something like that. This was dead, you know, shoulder side to side movement. Yeah, that was like a bear. You know, you've seen a bear shake, they'll shake their head if they'll get stung

by a bee or something like that. This was way too much movement to that. Right. This was a whole body type movement. Yeah, this was like somebody moving from the hips up. you know, rocking back for it. Have you talked to any of your neighbors and asked them if they've seen anything? You know, I've talked to, got a neighbor up here.

This lives up on the hill away from me, and like I said, he's since passed away, but he was 89 some years old and he passed away. Now, I've been asked him if he'd seen anything strange, and the only thing he'd ever said he ever seen out of here was Timberwolves, and that was back in the 50s. But that's all the thing he'd ever say. Now, people around here are really closed mouth. Unless you really know them,

that's known them for years and years, you're not going to get much information out of. You know, around here, it's a big joke, you know. That's the excuse you give if you're afraid to go out into the woods. It's all, you know, big foot's out there, you know, and everybody will have. Yeah, which is odd because, you know, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, they're all over the place down there. And people are very, very, very tight-lipped.

when it comes to, you almost kind of have to know them. Like you said, you do have to know them or they have to feel comfortable enough with you to tell you anything. And it's funny because down there, most of those people have some of the best information. Yeah, and see, I've told my mouth, I'm a big mouth, I'll tell my story just about anybody,

but even me, I haven't really told it to, I'd say maybe five people around here, you know, that I know. And even they, oh, y'all, you're crazy, you know, They don't believe me for nothing. Yeah. You know, besides that one friend, there was not one of what we did that. I was working with that guy that was with me,

wanted to be shot that one, and now they believe because, you know, he was there too saying, hey, you know, yeah, something was definitely strange. Yeah, no, it's a fact, it's both of the encounters are very fascinating to me. Yeah, I look, but the very first one, I mean, it was unbelievable. Because, I mean, it was just, I was pretty much face-to-face with this thing, you know? I mean, I could have easily probably reached out with it. stick and touched it. I mean, that was close. And, you know, I've seen any different.

Wish I could draw or something, which I can't. But really good. I mean, there's a, I have a definite picture of this thing's face in my mind. That's what really sticks out is this thing's face to me. You know, because that's basically all I can see because of a little crappy flashlight. When you saw it, when you saw the face, would you describe it more human-like or would you say it was more apish? you know it was really hard to say it was almost it was almost like you just took out a big mess you know it's like to be masked human and a monkey together

you know not really a group I don't want to really say it was guerrilla-like I mean the size of it was more grilla-like and it was monkey-like but it had more like you know I don't know I just didn't have enough hair on the face really to be a you know to be really gruelal-like I mean the skin didn't look the same

as a gorilla it was a gorilla it was In fact, this thing had almost tan skin. I mean, it was really light skin. So, I mean, it really stood out. That's what red. And, like I said, it was almost completely gray, except for it. It looked like it had red streaks through it, like old river clay, not bright red, but, like, you know, dull, dull red streaks through it. And that's just really the only place I could really see it really well was from about the middle of the chest up.

and it didn't have it and didn't look like it really had it neck. When it was kind of turned back looking at us, its whole front torso was turned back, looking at us. And it's kind of surprising it. You know, because we were just kids at the time. We weren't but eight or nine years old, maybe. You know, out there in the middle of the night and just a flash of it. Would you say the nose was kind of like us, or was it more apish?

How would you describe like the nose? Well, even the nose was it. It was kind of a cross between. It wasn't really human-like, but I don't want to say it was really, it was like it was wide. It wasn't really like that. It was wide. And it had a really wide mouth.

Now, its mouth was closed, but it did have look like, you know, how apes have wrinkly lips. You know, they tend to have vertical lines on their lips. Right. This thing definitely had vertical lines on its lips. They looked like it's, uh, look like the corner of its mouth went too far back. towards its ear, you know, towards the lobe of its ear.

Of course, I didn't really see an ear on the thing, but I'm assuming that's where it would be at. It's like, you know, its mouth was just too damn wide. So we gave it kind of an odd look. Yeah, it reminds me of the Hunter hat on. He said it, you know, he could have put a softball in the thing's mouth, and it probably could... Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that at a bit.

Yeah, I mean, this thing was, you know, I didn't like to say, I've never seen him open his mouth or anything, but this thing, you know, just from the... You could see the corner of his mouth, and it was, you know, it was about where the end of my jaw is, is where the corner of this thing's mouth was at on his face. So there's no town how big it could divide out of something, you know. When you're looking at the thing, did the facial expressions change at all? Oh, if I was looking at it, he seemed almost like he was, I don't want to say,

the only place that had any kind of a surprised look on him was in his eyes. But, you know, he did have like a, you know, it eyebrows or whatever were up, you know, like, hey, I got caught out in the middle of the field. You know, they're looking at it. And then, but other than that, that's about that it almost like a surprise, but at the same time, it was almost like a not very friendly look. You know what I mean? It was, you know, surprise, but, you know, don't push me.

Yeah. Yeah, it was, you know, like I said, there are there definitely. their own little deal. I mean, it's hard to describe them if you haven't ever seen one because they're definitely their own deal. Yeah, no, and I couldn't agree with you more. I think they're definitely their own creature. You know, I think a lot of people, when we describe it on the show, you know, a lot of times we'll say chimp, like chimp like or ape like, you know, I think everyone, I'm amazed when people listen to the show because they'll take one little tidbit out of the show and draw their own conclusions to it.

But, you know, we're saying they're chimp-like or gorilla-like. You know, that's our way of describing them. Yeah. It'd be like asking someone to describe a dog, you know, if they, you know, describe it for me. You know, well, you know, it looks like a cat, but it's, you know, got a longer face. You know, it doesn't match.

It's hard to explain something. You know, the other person, you know, it's just, you know, it's just completely odd is what they are. Really creepy. that's what I put it at. Yeah, no, I'm with you. There's something creepy about them. Yeah, I mean, it's not like they look normal.

I mean, even for, you know, they've just, you know, I mean, they're definitely an animal. I mean, you can, you know, you can definitely tell there is a, but there's like a, you can tell they're intelligent, but they're, you know, I mean, I'm assuming this all from, you know, I probably didn't get a seven or eight second glance at this thing 20 years ago. But, you know, that real, something like that really, really. sticks with you know it's like you know meeting something weird out there in the middle of the woods it really tends to stick with it it's amazing too because you can you gather so much impressions when you're in those situations like you said exactly yeah you get so much impressions off of one of these things and just a glance you know it's incredible well and we're kind of wired to do that made me think of and again i'm not comparing it to a dog so

yeah please don't people out there please don't send me But, you know, I used to have, I had this Labrador Retriever, Yellow Lab, and I love that dog more than anything. And when you looked at him, you could always tell he was thinking. There was just this real, and he was one of the smartest dogs I ever owned. He was very intelligent. And he always had this look on his face like he was thinking. Or if you said something to him, you know, he was really paying attention to what you're saying. Yeah.

And then it's like I had another lab after he passed away at another lab. And that dog was as dumb as a rock. I mean, you could just tell there was nothing going on upstairs. Nothing behind my eyes, exactly. Right. And so I know. The eyes are the windows to the soul. Yeah, that's true.

They really are. They really are. And so when you're looking at this creature, you could tell it was thinking. It wasn't stupid. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, just the whole vibe you get from just looking at this man's eye, You know, you can tell he's thinking, you know, what's my best plan of action here? Should I kill these two or should I just continue walking into the woods?

You know, I mean, there was definitely thought going on there. But at the time, I mean, even being a kid, I really wasn't too afraid, you know. Now, I wasn't real eager to chase this thing down either. But, you know, it's not like I went screaming back home. But me and him just calmly walked back to what. towards the house after we've seen this thing, after we finally seen him walk into the tree line down there, and we followed a little bit, and the flashlights we had were basically useless,

so we decided we'd just go back home, and that was probably the best thing we could have done. Well, do this for me, Chance. You know, keep in touch with me. Let me know if you have any more activity going on out there. I will, because, like I said, there has been something, you know, just your past week or so, maybe a couple weeks, that has been definitely, you know, whistling out here on my place.

Something screamed at me from the neighbor's field just right across the plate. So, yeah, I definitely will. And I can't think enough for coming on. Hey, I really appreciate it, Wes. Love the show. Listen all the time. Thanks for being here tonight, everyone. I will see you back here on Sunday.

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