Sasquatch Chronicles - SC EP:116 Reported Sasquatch Sounds

Episode Date: June 21, 2015

My guest tonight is Randy Savig who is a member of the MABRC, which is the Mid-America Bigfoot Research Center. Tonight Randy will be sharing his audio recordings from the field with us along with encounter stories that he has investigated and his own encounters. Randy grew up interested in Bigfoot because of his brother who encountered one when they were children. Later in life Randy was unable to work and had time to research the topic again. After his own encounter Randy decided to learn how to cut and edit audio and has focused on collecting audio every chance he gets. We will listen to Randy's audio and compare it to other reported Sasquatch sounds. Randy will also share with us a family farm he investigated that had several strange things going on and how several family members saw the creatures.

Five, five, four, four, three, three, two, one. One. When I had come down this hill, I had seen this creature cross the road. They would have ripped my locked door from my truck, extracted me from my vehicle, and they know what a damn thing I could have done about it. This thing I got to notice in its eyes. Its eyes was real, real evil, real sinister looking.

You know, the look it was given me. What were here, please? Get somebody out here. What's what on now, sir? That son of a bitch is about six foot. Sir? Yes, I'm looking right at him. Saskwatch Chronicle, a place where people share their encounters.

Let's start the show. Welcome to the show, everyone. Thanks for being here tonight. Hope your weekend's going great. Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there listening. You know, I love doing shows where we include reported Sasquatch sounds throughout the show and we talk about them. Shows like this are very, very fascinating to listen. to. And I'll be putting up on the website some of the sounds you hear tonight on the show.

If you go to Sasquatch Chronicles.com, there's a blog on there. I'll probably post most of the sounds to that blog, but the website has additional shows that you can listen to throughout the week. So if you get a chance, check out Sasquatch Chronicles.com. My guest tonight is Randy Savage, and he is a researcher from the MABRC, which is short for Mid-America Bigfoot Research Center. Well, Randy, I want to welcome me to the show. I appreciate you coming on tonight, and I appreciate you sharing some of the different audio that you have

and talking about encounters that you've had. So thank you for being here. Well, thank you for having me. It's interesting. You got into this topic, not really because of an encounter you had, but because of an encounter your brother had. Do you want to tell us about that? Well, again, the main thing they got me into it is growing up,

You know, I grew up in northern Minnesota, and I had a brother have a sighting up there. And again, ever since he had a sighting, I was fascinated with the subject of Bigfoot. And over the course of several years, of course, with work and family obligations, raising a family and all that, you know, it kind of went to the back burner. Back in 1999, I was unable to work anymore and basically took my research to the Internet. And again, did all the reading I could about Bigfoot, the behaviors, whatever. And then in 2012, I joined the group Mid-America Bigfoot Research Center. And in 2012, they, you know, supported me enough to where I felt comfortable going out in the woods

and collecting audio and doing boots-in-the-ground type situation in there. And that's kind of what got me going. And again, it seems like this is a very addictive thing because the more you get, the more you want to go out. And, I mean, it's almost a vicious cycle at this point. I can completely agree with that. What did your brother see? Well, we were out deer hunting one time in a normal area that we deer hunted at. And he was about 200 yards away.

He saw what he thought at first was a person walking. But again, you know, Bing's rifle season in northern Minnesota, they didn't have orange on. In fact, they were all black colored. And when he zoomed in on it with his scope, he found out it was a whole lot bigger than what he thought it was. You know, it startled him pretty good. In fact, there was one other of my uncles that saw it too,

but he refused to acknowledge, you know, he was looking at it too, and he said, yeah, I saw something, but I don't know what it was, and I don't ever want to see it again. And, you know, just the curiosity because of that, you know, what is out here? what, you know, is wandering around that we don't know about. Later in life, you were in a position where you could be an armchair researcher

and then eventually get back out into the field. And he said that started in 1998. Has your opinion of what Sasquatch is? Has that changed at all? You know, yes and no. I mean, it's very elusive. I knew that from up then. you know, but I was assuming more or less that it was some sort of, if you will.

And I've come to realize that, you know, it's elusiveness and with it being able to stay hid like it is and adapt to people being around it, it's not a dumb animal. I mean, the intelligence that this thing appears to have is mind-boggling to me. I mean, they seem to adapt to what we do when we're out in our research areas to where they can work around us or stay, you know, get out from underneath of us. To this point in time, I don't want to say it to an eight, but I definitely ain't going to call it a human. You know, I'm not exactly sure what it is, but it is definitely something very intelligent. Yeah, I would tend to agree with you on that. you know, very intelligent but cunning like a wild animal. Oh, yes, yes.

Now, you actually had a few sightings. Do you want to tell us what you were doing prior to, I think there was one on a ridge, but do you want to tell us what you're doing prior to that encounter and then kind of walk us into the encounter and tell us what you saw? Well, we had gotten a group of folks together to do some research in a certain area. There was a river channel that goes through, and there was some bluffs on both sides. And this area had, well, there's campgrounds not too far from it.

And there were a lot of complaints and campgrounds of coolers getting stalled, and the coolers gone through, meat and stuff like that taken. And, you know, never the beer taken out of the coolers. So, you know, people were perplexed if it was some teenage kids, want to get them, have a party or something. They'd definitely go after the beer. and we set up that day and we went out in groups of three. But we separated ourselves by about 150 yards.

We'd said one group out and when they got out a certain area, then we'd have the second group go in quiet. First group was loud. Second group was quiet. Third group was loud. Fourth group was quiet. Trying to see if there was something in there that the loud group could get the attention of and put him kind of in a vulnerable spot, if you will, where they're watching the first

group and not hearing or noticing the second group coming up. And we happened to get lucky that day because, you know, we've tried that tactic before without much luck, but on that day, I was in one of the quiet groups, and I came up and all of a sudden one guy had to stop and hang back a little bit, issue untied or whatever. I don't recall. but I went about 60 feet, 70 feet in front of him. And I just happened to catch out of the corner of my eyes some movement up on that one bluff.

Probably, I'm going to say, but it was on an elevation of about 140 foot above where I was at. And by galilee, all of a sudden I'm seeing that thing. It was almost like it was turning. Again, this was from about the waist up is what I was seeing. And it was a reddish color. It seemed to be fairly long hair, especially in the neck area. Now, I'm not sure if that was actually coming off the head,

but the hair of the neck or neck area seemed to flow real well when it was in the process of turning. Unfortunately, I never did get a shot at the face or get a look at the face. And it took a few steps and went back into that bluff. And when it got in the back of the bluff, it started shaking this. doggone. It was in bloom. It was a dogwood tree. So they had the big white flowers on it. The flowers were just flying off

the thing. And when it was shaking that tree, I had the other researcher come up and I said, hey, look it up there. And, you know, he said, well, that tree is really moving and there's no wind. I said, yeah, I just saw a red one walk back and now that tree is shaking.

You know, that was a good, in my opinion, a good daytime sighting. Because that was at about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. Sun was still bright and everything else. How large would you say the creature was? Well, again, you know, I can't tell you so much on height, but, you know, I'm 6'5, and I weigh 2.80,

and I'd say it was about as twice as wide as I am across the shoulders. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I was amazed at how huge mass that body was. I mean, it just floored me. I couldn't, you know, if I would have seen that in a different setting and not been looking for it, it could have very easily mistaken for a big cow up there or something, because, I mean, it was just that mass.

And what part of the country was this in? This was in central Missouri. I've been doing most of my research. My research areas in southwestern Missouri. You know, with the MABRC, I do go into some of their other areas and help researchers out with audio and that type of thing. You know, again, the one that you put on your radio show here a while ago, talking about the Bennett expedition, it was in the Bennett area out there. Yeah, with that, that was one with the chatter?

Yes, sir, yes, sir. And, you know, and that one is interesting to listen to, and I'm sure you have more context on it. A lot of people were wondering, well, was there other people out in that area, and it could have been something they were picking up on? and I've heard that weird chatter before, and so I knew it wasn't people. But could you address that comment? Because sometimes people don't understand how much time and effort actually goes into collecting audio.

You know, you might get eight hours of audio, but then you've got to sit and listen to it for eight hours, and then you probably spend another couple days editing it and kind of cutting it down to the areas that you, you know, instead of having someone sit there and listen to eight hours of audio, you cut out the portions that you find intriguing. But could you address that on that specific with the gibber that was recorded on that one? Well, the whole setup with that is, you know, we had one big parabolic that I've got at camp.

But that day we went out on a day scouting trip looking for, you know, evidence, structures, footprints, you know, with tallboy trails, that type of thing. And we walked into one area that was behind a bunch of berries. berries hadn't been ripe at the course of flower they were just starting to flower at that time and we came upon this area that we really looked like a toll boy trail and we followed that for quite a while

and found this structure and when we're out of walking like that I usually take a drop box out with me and with that drop box I hung in a tree about 25 put off from this trail next to this structure.

And we just left it there. That was 2, 3 o'clock in the afternoon, and then we went back to camp, and the next day I go back out and collected that record. And again, it was in the audio review where I heard what was going on out there. And, you know, we had suspicion that we were being paralleled that day.

There were a few knocks, that type of thing. And that night, when we did a night hike in there, we did hear some distant screams that was also put on there. Bipetal walking that was recorded was recorded from the big parabolic at the

camp. In fact, my parabolic is 36 inches. And again, with the microphone replacement, I mean, I can hear 3, 400 yards pretty easy with that thing. And then again, after you get that stuff, you know, it's just a guess. It's

your best guess. Use your intuition when you're out there as a researcher. You know, and that's why I put the drop box there. And again, I've done that probably 50 times before and listened to nothing but crickets and frogs all night long and didn't have anything happen. So this was one of those times where it paid off. And that entire weekend I had over 40 hours worth of audio

that I had recorded. And again, like you say, you go through it minute by minute. And, you know, with the area that it was at, there are no human trails. so the likelihood of a human is slim to none. You know, again, I wasn't sitting with a recorder all night, so I can't say 150% that it wasn't. But it was far enough away from everything

where I don't think it was anything to do with people in the area. What I find the biggest thrill in this audio is setting it up to where you're getting their natural. interactions rather than, you know, provoked by someone being at camp. I mean, the screens and stuff, yeah, they still put the hair in the back of my neck up. But to me, you know, Christmas hits when I do an audio review and I get something that's just really unusual. Editing audio isn't as sexy as people think.

You know, like you said, you might have a 40-hour audio recording that you have to go through and it'll take you two, three weeks to actually go through the thing. you have to listen minute by minute. You know, the jibber that you captured there, and I hope for the listeners out there, I hope they can hear it. I know there was some rain. I've played this piece of audio before,

but I really hope that maybe throw on some headphones. You can hear that weird jibber in the background. The moment I heard it, because I've heard that before when I was out in the forest with Moe and Tim and Bob Garrett and all those guys down in Texas, you hear this weird gibber. that's kind of creepy to listen to off in the distance. And that's exactly what it sounded like.

You know, I wanted to play this grunt comparison that you have. When was this audio taken? Okay, well, those two pieces of audio, the comparison that I sent you, the first part of it was in July, if I'm remembering the month right, of 2014. I don't have my notes in front of me, But that was the first time we got grunt.

And again, it was a massive grunting incident. In my YouTube channel, if you would go down, that entire 20 minutes where these grunts were happening, as in there, now they weren't 20 minutes solid. You know, you can hear from the first time the grunting came with the knocks and all that until they quit. we were out of a day hike that day and went into an area and even though we didn't feel like we were pushed and out of place or anything like that we didn't feel like we were in danger whatsoever that grunting was recorded now how that was recorded is I set up a recorder on my truck because I've been working with this same troop now for just about four years and I was noticing some things that I was noticing some things that being moved around in the back, you know, and not thinking that it could be people just with the area I was in.

I was really intrigued at what might have been messing with the stuff. So I started leaving a reporter with the truck and just walking away from it. I just placed it on the windshield wipers what I do. You know, and that one was recorded. And then the second one that's on there, the same clip, that was just a follow-up spring in the same. area. Using the same technique. I mean, we just come into an area when we go on a day exploratory hike, we always leave a reporter of the truck. And that's how those grunting incidents were got. And were you able to rule out any other known animal? Getting that recording,

I got nine months, 13 that I got it, I put it together a presentation at the Oklahoma Bigfoot Symposium last year in 2000. 2014 with that grunting incident. It took me about nine months to go through every known animal I could find, and not only just by listening to it by ear, but also listening to it and looking at it on the spectrae. You know, that's a signature for those that don't know. It's a signature of each sound that's out there.

You know, and your coyotes, your wolves, your hogs, your bears. They all have a signature that goes along with them, you know, frequencies as far as the tones they use, but also, you know, there's a profile signature that goes with that. Every oddball critter I could think of that is, you know, native to this area. And then one day, just out of pure frustration, I started looking at, well, it's an internet soundboard is what it was. And they had some grunting on there that matched very closely. Now again, it's not exact, but very close. And what that was, it was a mountain gorilla.

Really? That's interesting. You know, and again, you can find that, you know, the grunting that you hear with that when you listen to the recordings of a mountain gorilla, it's not that far off. Currently, I do have that audio down in Little Rock, Arkansas, and I'm hoping in the next a couple of weeks to hear more of whether they think that that is a primate or whether they're discounting it. But there's up in Minnesota that I know. What I sent the audio clip up there is this bears grunting.

You know, I've sent it to other places, you know, and got nose on every place that I've gone. You know, and the thing that's with that is you can also hear the knocks with it. Some people try to say that the bear is popping its jaw. You know, and I have looked at those audio, too, and the match is not there. This next one is the Missouri Screams. Can you tell us what was going on when you recorded that? Can you kind of give us a background on that what we're listening to here?

Okay, the first time I recorded that Missouri screen, again, was back in 2013. And again, it was in the wintertime. You know, I'm going to say November. And when I go out into my main research area, I usually, I always have a camp recorder. But usually if there was a structure or a trail area that I thought they went to on a regular basis, I would set up a parabolic. And that night, that's what I did. I had a parabolic set up.

And it was pointed to the west of where I was located at. I was at camp probably half, three quarters of a mile from there. I never did hear these that night at camp, but with the parabolic it did pick them up. You know, it was, again, just one of those oddball things that I had never recorded before and saw it this last winter, fall type situation. Again, there is two Missouri screams on there, and the second one was the duplicate, if you will. you know one thing as a researcher that I try to do is you know science wants us to be repeatable and you know when I can catch the same sound twice I put them up next to it

and that's what that clip was that clip is very very similar to the ones that were caught out on the west coast in the early 70s again that's one I've also used at my presentations but I don't know what the thing really means. I mean, I have my speculations on it, but again, it seems to be strictly as a long-distance roadination. Yeah, you're right. It does have that sound like that was recorded in Washington. I don't have the Puellalup Screamer on here,

but I do have the Snohomis Screamer that was recorded in 1978. Let's take a listen. That is interesting when you listen to the Tuesday. sounds, you can definitely hear, there's a comparison there. I set up my YouTube channel for the specific reason of sharing with other researchers. You know, I don't know if you've ever noticed in my YouTube channel. It doesn't come up if you push Bigfoot into it because, again, there's so much of that out there.

These were set up as a way of sharing with other researchers what I'm catching here so they can compare it to what they're catching in Texas and Michigan and wherever else they be you know that's a lot of why I do what I do and when I start getting repeat abilities it's just so interesting to have other people come on and say well yeah you know I've got that down in Texas I caught that in you know Washington State there's one that's been taught very similar to that over in Ohio so again we have a critter out there making those vocalizations and again it doesn't match anything on the known record you know, like you say, there's a lot of work to audio.

When you catch something odd like that, you know, personally, I've never really heard anything like that. Then, you know, once you eliminate the knowing animals, then I go on to the different Bigfoot sites where they have audio recording. And I listen to them time and time again until I find one that matches or, hey, this is something completely different. And when you get a match on it, again, for me,

it puts them a lot more weight on the target crater that we're going after. You know, I had an interesting phone call with the police officer last week. I talked about it on the show on Wednesday. Have you ever been out to a property where there's, it seems like they're on the property, there's constant behavior going on? Have you ever investigated anything like that? I've done some of that, but, you know, in fact, I did an investigation, not 12 or 14 miles from where.

I have my research area. This family has been living in the same location for about 15 years now. And they've always had stuff move around their property at times. In fact, for two or three years, they were calling the sheriff's department on a very regular basis, thinking they had prowlers in their yard. And they weren't making the connection of what they were, but they did have some also sightings out there. And then the reason why they got a hold of me through another person

is that their 11-year-old grandson had a sighting close. It was about a quarter mile from their place, and it scared this boy so bad he couldn't move. His brother and one cousin had to literally pull him back home again. He had looked down a hauler, and there was this huge brown, certainly coming up the hauler, but had turned and was going back down.

And this 11-year-old boy was so, he wouldn't go, you know, between 100, he wouldn't go 100 foot between two houses on that property if the sunset without somebody being with him. I mean, he would literally not go any heat at me and went out and we did an interview with them, of course. Found out that, you know, they've been having some things happen for quite a while, and, you know, they suspected big foot.

But, you know, after the television show Finding Bigfoot came on, you know, it started making more sense to them because they were hearing other town hall meeting people talking about this, that, the air thing. And they did have, I'm going to say, if I'm remembering right, about five different sightings between the adults and then this one with the kid. The adults were pretty firm at what they were seeing. They were standing on two feet, large, hairy, you know, stomping around. making some noise. There were dense on one trailer house there that really looked like handprints, something slapping the side of the house.

I got pretty good-sized hands and they were about double my size. Working with this family that they kept talking about, well, they couldn't believe Bigfoot was around because of all these prowlers. And I looked at one boy and I said, tell me about these prowlers.

Well, there's one about this big, one about this big. You know, he's using his hand that's showing me this height. Well, do they ever come in? Do they ever take anything? Well, occasionally there's some stuff missing. Like what? Well, let me think for a minute.

And I said, well, let me change it. Is there something of value missing? No, not really. I said, now, you know that us country folk down here in Missouri don't really have a problem having guns and taking care of it in your butt. I said, do you really, would you go on

somebody's property just to mess around for a couple of years, around and the kid just turned white as a ghost. He says, you know, I've sat in the back of that old van several nights and he said, I've seen him twice because they're coming through and he says, I always thought they were people. And I said, you know, I went up and did a three-night audio session over there. And, I mean, some of what we classify as a classic thoughts of Bigfoot to knocks the house. That's pretty funny that there's no way Bigfoot could be around with all these prowlers around.

Yeah, you know, again, they just weren't getting the doggone connection one way or the other. And one of the benefits of doing this investigation is that last year, that 11-year-old boy went out deer hunting with his brother for this first time. And they went out at dark and didn't come in until dark, and he didn't have any problems. You know, sometimes when we're doing this research and investigation stuff, we really have to have the human factor into it. I mean, is there the indisputable evidence out there that I could collect? Well, maybe,

but just knowing that I helped a family out, especially that young man, I mean, sometimes that's more important than the evidence. And I can agree with you more. I mean, sometimes it helps people, you know, like I had a lady on last week, Carol, who had stuff going on for 20 years

and really just thought it was weird occurrences that were happening and wasn't really putting two and two together. And I can see that. You know, if you don't believe that this creature exists, and if it's not in your daily life, you have weird things going on around your property, you know, you're not going to really pinpoint to, you're not going to come out and say, well, I think it's Bigfoot.

And a lot of people think Bigfoot only lives in, like, Washington State, or it only lives in on Bluff Creek. And they're in every state. I mean, they're just, especially down there in Missouri. Have you had any reports about dogmen or what people are reporting sounds more like a dog man-type creature instead of a big foot? Well, I have worked with, you know, some independent researchers from, you know, again, more in the central part of the state, that those two did have what they said was a dog-man experience. And, you know, I've worked with them and I'd have them in the woods covering my back any time at the day or night.

and I believe what they they know what they saw but again it's still one of those situations that I just have a hard time wrapping my head around it you know for part of me saying that you know yeah you know they're bigfoot out in these woods I mean if there is a dog man and it's not some type of mutated or formed bigfoot then again that's going to be more of a rare creature

than what, you know, I've looked into some of them and heard some of them. Yeah, no, I heard they have a little bit of a worse attitude and demeanor. I haven't heard one person say anything good about it, you know, coming across and encountering them. I've talked to so many credible witnesses that it's kind of hard to look the other way when they're talking about when they start describing what they saw. And, you know, I've long, long time Bigfoot researchers that have run into them. And, you know, they'll be first to tell me, hey, I don't think this is a primate. I don't know what this is I ran into. But it sounds like a freak show.

The researchers you go out with, they actually had an encounter with the dogman or what they thought was. Yeah, they did. They were out in their primary research area. And, you know, they said that all of a sudden they started feeling, you know, like they were being followed and not in a positive way. felt like they were prey for lack of a better way of putting it. And they went to bright lights, and they ended up seeing this thing, and they shot at it. And again, they say they hit it and hit the ground, and then took off and ran down the hauler and disappeared. The next day they went out, and they could find where it had shuffled around and this and that, and followed it as far as they could.

And then it went into an area. they couldn't continue to follow it. I know it really shook those guys up. And again, it's one of those things that there's been other sightings of them. I mean, but one thing that's down here in the Arkansas that gets reported from time to time is hyenas. Because of the sound, or people are actually seeing hyenas? They're actually seeing them.

That's great. So, again, yes, I'm out here as a Bigfoot researcher. but, you know, there could be a lot of other things that go thump in the night out there, you know, and again, that's part of this mystery. I mean, we're, just because we focus on one, and people are, you know, hey, this guy, you know, we'll listen to these stories,

even though everybody else thinks I'm nuts. Well, then again, all of a sudden you get these other oddball things coming in. The hyena, you know, the Ozark Howler is one that was suspected that it was probably some sort of hyaena. over in just on the other side of the Branson area, there's been some reports over there of possibility of a hyena type situation. And I've seen a couple of pictures that have been taken.

And then, you know, it's a four-legged critter, but exactly what it is, I have no clue. That's crazy. I've never heard that before from that area. Yeah, right. I mean, there's so many weird things out there, You know, when people start telling you, you know, they ran into this or they ran into that, sometimes it's hard to get a clear picture.

I wanted to ask you about the mimicking. Your audio file, mimicking does it happen? Let me play it real quick. Can you walk us through that audio? Tell us what's going on there? Well, you bet. You know, when I first took this back into the woods, you know, back when I first started with the MABRC, I was out in an area.

and it was really only one morning. I'm going to say 5.30 in the morning, and I hear what sounds like a backup alarm. Now, what I mean by a backup alarm is I worked in factories for many years and every forklift has got one on it. Your dump trucks and some of your larger trucks have got it on where that's that beep, beat, beat

that you hear when they're backing out. I caught some audio that sounded like that, and it sounded off. Let's just put it that way. It was so much deeper tone than I've ever heard of a back of a lot. And that particular night that we caught that, again, my partner and I were out in the doggone woods. And I was telling Bernie of this experience that I had had with audio and what I had heard. And during that explaining it to him, there was three or four times where I went beep, beep, beep, you know, trying to get the lower

tone down like what I had heard on that morning's recording. And we didn't hear it at camp, but I was using a H-2 recorder that I sat on top of the truck, and it was picking up somewhere out in the woods something, again, answering. Every time I'd quit talking, it would go beep, beep, beep. And, you know, the first time I heard that of that, now, wait a minute, this is an echo, went down and again I was probably talking about it for 15 minutes and each time through there

that beep, beep, beep that I do was repeated and it always waited until I had quit talking the last part of that beat beat that should be hearing you'll hear me talk for quite a bit afterwards and then there was again beep, beep beep

for me hearing that once was okay maybe I'm misinterpreting some other sound, but when it happens four times of one night. And then again, in a matter of about a 15-minute time frame, that's beyond coincidence. And I do know that in this area that I was in, there's no way there would have been other people there

without us knowing about it. So something out there was mimicking that beep, beep, beep that I was doing. Now, it just does so happen at about a mile in that location is one of these medical transport companies have a driver out there. And each evening they back in their truck that they use for hauling medical patients. They have no doubt that far away happening that many times. There's no way they were backing it back and forth in the drug. And then the second part of that clip, that area is one of my main listening posts

for the simple fact of the activity we've had there. and that other stuff, you know, wasn't mimicking. I mean, we were out there the night, but we had left recorders when we went in about midnight and that was recorded after that.

You know, I don't know. I highly suspect that they are very good at mimicking. I mean, I've never seen one mimic, so I can't say I know they are, but I highly suspect it. But I'm wondering at times, if maybe this mumbling we hear, this chatter that we're hearing, you know, I'm still at a spot where I've got a coin toss. I mean, is that mimicking what they're hearing from people,

or is that their own? And, you know, about half the time, I'm going to, I'll stand and say that's their own, about half the time I question and say, well, is it a mimic? But again, very interesting audio when you start catching stuff like that. Yeah, it is. It is very interesting. You know, I think my personal opinion on it, you know, my two cents on it, which is actually worth about $3.26. But my two cents on it is, you know, when you hear the real fast chatter, and I know you've heard it before being an audio guy, kind of like Ron Morehead, I think it's his first CD, where he has that real quick. It sounds like monkey chatter going back and forth. And I know most people have heard that before.

That's actually Ron Moorhead's chatter he captured back in the 70s. And I would think that that would be more of their language. Every animal has a language. For me, I would say that would be more of their language. They do mimic people, though. We hear it all the time. You know, it's interesting. I was talking to a tribal elder in Oklahoma.

And, you know, we got to talking about the chatter and the mimicking and the different things that these creatures do. And one of the things that he said that I thought was fascinating was he said, you know, a lot of people, they, he laughs when he hears Bigfoot researchers say that these things speak some sort of native language like the Choctaws or like the Apaches or, he goes, they don't speak Native American. He goes, they mimic us the same way they mimic anyone else, the same way they mimic English or Spanish. He goes, they do have the ability to mimic. but if I were to hear their language, if someone were to come to me and say, this is their language,

that recording that Ron Moorhead has would make the most sense to me. And I do believe that. You know, I mean, with our language, we get used to capes kind of type situation where, you know, words flow in a certain way. And, you know, certain words can, you know, we can hear that cadence

and not hear the words, and we can put in English, phrase into it. You know, that doesn't mean that what we heard was English and it doesn't mean that that's what was said. But, you know, back to this whole mimic part, you know, one night we were at camp and I had every quarter three quarters of a mile away. And I've got a very distinct laugh. And I'm sitting listening to myself laugh three quarters of a mile from where I'm at. And there's no way that sound could have traveled that far. Again, my buddy, was out there one night.

Well, it's well to take our grandkids out because, again, they just have a hoot going out, you know, and it doesn't matter if it's a screechow when it sounds off. You know, it freaks them out. You know, they just have all sorts of fun. And Bernie, getting tired of listening to Three Girls chatter, he decided to walk around the backside of his truck and planning clear his head of bed.

And he was back there, and all of a sudden he says, Who called my name? Nobody at camp had said his name. But as he was standing, closer to the woods, further away from camp. He heard his name, Bernie, as clear as a bell. That's disturbing. Yeah, unfortunately, the parabolic was in the wrong direction.

I could not catch it on audio. But, yeah, it was an experience that there was definitely eye-opening for him. And was anyone calling his name during that trip? Well, again, you know, all night long, I mean, you know, Bernie this, and my grandkids call him Bernie. I mean, if they would have said Grandpa, he would have thought I was his own. granddaughter that was out with us, but, you know, again, the name Bernie has been settled tons of times out there, so it wouldn't be unusual for it to be repeating it. Yeah, and you hear that a lot

with people's encounters, especially if they have them around their property. I can't tell you the countless people I've spoken to who say they thought what was their voice calling for their dogs out in the woods, stuff like that, or a husband. Sounds like, husband's calling for his wife out in the woods, but he's not in the woods. It's just, you hear that, and it's just kind of disturbing, and I don't know why it's so disturbing, but it's just disturbing to me. Well, I also think that's a lot of the reason why a lot of people want to give them a human-type aspect, because, you know, again, they're thinking that they, you know,

do they know what a Bernie is? I doubt it. They hear it, so they repeat it, you know. You know, again, it's one of those things that it's a difficult subject. Again, is it mimicking or is it language or is it a combination of both? And that's where I probably stand 90% of the time. You know, I have no doubt that they can mimic. I've heard it. I've experienced it. I mean, I was out one day and I was headed in a certain direction and all of a sudden I heard,

hey, what did I do? I turned around to see where it came from. I have a sneaky feeling that might have even been. a distraction at that point because that's something that you know how many times will we walk through the woods i don't care they're your hunters or even the people who ride the horses out in the woods and different things you know if you want someone's attention what do you do hey right you feel like it might have been a distraction yes i did i did um and uh i was deliberately going in that direction for a reason and all of a sudden i can hear this hey and i turn around and i think there was

something closer than what I was expecting, and that when I got too close, the distraction was there for it. What's your feelings on shooting one and bringing it in? Well, again, I think that, you know, to have science say, yes, there is one out there. A specimen has got to happen. Whether that's hit by a logging truck, whether that's somebody taking a specimen. Personally, I won't pull the trigger unless I feel that there's no choice because of the bodily harm to myself.

You know, just the logistics involved with it. I mean, if you're back, you know, three miles from the nearest trail and thick woods, and say you were looking up to shoot one. How you can ever get it out, you know. You know, and then again, there's also, you know, the Hino, Siege of Honobie, they talked about one going down and two picking up and carrying it up. I can pretty well tell you from my experiences there's very seldom just one around in my opinion

so you know by doing so are you putting yourself into a lot of danger you know I don't know but that's again with my not being able to walk and move around real well that that's not an option I even consider out there unless again it would be you know coming after me your mind and then I will defend myself but that'd be

the only way I'd do it. I can understand that not wanting to pull the trigger I think there's a lot of people that probably wouldn't be very heartbroken if one was shot and brought one and brought in. Again I think you know

unless lines changes its parameters a bit and will take some of the audio evidence some of the track casting and handprint cast things in the fingerprints and the pictures. And, you know, unless science is willing to use that to say, yeah, something is out there, it's the only other way is going to be a specimen.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Randy, I know that you're a member of the MABRC. I know you guys have your own podcast. I know you guys do a lot of expeditions. Do you want to do a little promotion of your guys' group? Yes, we do have a web. site out there. We also run an annual or we have for the last three years, four years. This will be the, well, 13, 14, this will be the fourth year of the Oklahoma Bigfoot

Symposium is put on by the MABRC. It's a great group of guys as far as I'm concerned. We do a lot of expeditions. We do have expeditions that we allow, you know, independents to come in with us and run the woods with us so we can all learn together and try to figure things out. We have some expeditions that are, again, way back in the buildings that we kind of keep closed. We want more seasoned researchers out there because of the reported

activities out there. You know, we've got a whole big website, you know, the MAB or Mid-America, bigfoot.com, is it. And again, each one of us got what we call a field name or screen name. I don't know which one who came first. But, you know, we've got so many

randies out there that we have, you know, we're out the woods and there's three Randis and someone says, Randy, look to your left, which Randy is he talking to? So we all go by field names and, you know, mine is revelistic. And I've got a research thread there that goes through all of the research that I do. A lot of my audio was posted there, a lot of observations. And, you know, I try to keep that pretty much up to date with the new stuff that's coming out. Why not just go by your wrestler name, Randy Savage?

Well, actually, the last name is pronounced Savvy. Not Savage, but yeah, it happened a thousand times. Yeah, no, I hear you. I had to ask a question, you know, if... No, that's fine. Heck, no problem at all. Well, Randy, thanks for being on the show. I can't think you enough.

Keep me up to date with stuff going on, will you? Oh, yeah. Well, again, I definitely, you know, again, four other researchers and you all were, you know, when I get something that I think is good, I do put it on that YouTube because, again, my clips are more than about, you know, I mean it, and that's all that most of these websites can handle, so I opened up to YouTube to be able to get the long clips on there.

You know, any of your listeners got questions, they can, you know, definitely leave them on the YouTube about a question on those audio that I've got posted. I'll be more than happy to answer any questions. Hey, thanks so much. Thank you for having me. And I want to thank the audience for joining us tonight. Hope you enjoyed the show.

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